well,things do happen for a reason somtimes you just cant find out why untill your much older but look at it this was zj if nothing bad ever happend what would be the point of living ? whats the point in living if there are no obsticals in your way , you dot get stronger right?
For some reason, I decided to read Justin Bieber's Wikipedia page the other day and I saw that quote. Its a terrible answer, but consistent with the whole "EVERYTHING happens for a reason" position.
Jeez, there are some stupid comments on this video.
Look, Bieber is a imbecile. Just ignore anything and everything he says, he's only against abortion because he's still a fetus himself. And if he thinks there is a reason for rape and there are people out there who agree with him, then I don't think I want to live on this planet anymore.
Why on earth would anyone choose to ask the fetus known as Justin Beiber such a searching question? Were they perhaps trying to make him look immature & childish? Er,he IS immature & childish if only by 'virtue' of his YOUTH! Way I see it,only a woman has the right to choose what to do with her womb/body,NOT church or STATE! If a woman feels incapable of giving birth after the horror that is rape,then so be it.Why should they be punished for choosing a termination?
Awesome logic, as always. This kind of fatalistic rhetoric is also great for avoiding personal responsibility, eg 'I failed my exams. I guess it wasn't meant to be.' No, you failed because you didn't study.
I find nothing wrong with his answer. I actually am impressed slightly that he said he cant really make a true comment as he has never been there. I would also like to state, that in this case, I think rape did happen for a reason... how many people wouldnt be alive right now if these things didnt occur? I wonder how many mothers would trade their child for erasing rape from their life? Its an interesting question I think...
If you read what he said carefully, he says pregnancy happens for a reason, not rape. Since they were asking about abortion you'd think you would use your common sense. He was just trying to say its not the babys fault he/she was conceived and should not kill the baby. People should respect him for that not try to twist his words to make him into something he is not.
@Chenea100 cause it does. you get raped-you can get pregnant. you got pregnant..., because you got raped. so d'you rather get the unwanted baby and give it into an orphanage or letting it grow up in an unstable family or using abortion? hmm...
@gurkenhamster that baby completely separate person then whoever impregnated her and the mother herself. It is scientifically proven that in your second trimester the baby feels the pain, that pain comes from getting its limps ripped off with a vacuum and then its skull crushed so its head can fit through the vacuum, did you know that when they put the vacuum inside, the baby tries viciously to get away from it. No baby deserves that weather they are a product of rape or not.
As much as I disagree with J.B., why the hell would Rolling Stone ask a 16 year old that question? I think the bias is so prevalent it's astounding. Now, let me be clear, since I'm tired of stupid knee-jerk reactions, I think Justin is 100% wrong, but I think R.S. is so full of shit if they're going to ask a 16 year old boy that question.
They asked a 16 year old kid a question about rape and abortion. I repeat they asked a MALE kid, and this girl/guy is analyzing it and calling him out on it. ROFL. That said, the amount of rape victims per year is a completely irrelevant number. Less than 1%, its statistically irrelevant. People talk about rape like its a pandemic..oh boo hoo some guy stuck his penis in my orifice, I better become depressed and traumatized for the rest of my life.
@korisx How can you claim ignorance? I swear its like all the retards learned a new word I hear it so much. I gave you the correct statistical data..That is the complete opposite of ignorance.
@WeeItsNookies awww, you tried to use an irrelevant statistic to make yourself look all grown up, but in reality if you aren't able to comprehend the personal effect this would have on an individual and lack the empathetic prowess to discern the immorality of this concept then yes you are ignorant. Oh and look I used more big words!! XD.
@korisx How is using a statistic irrelevant? The subject of rape is treated as if you have a 1 in 2 chance of it happening. Like its a pandemic..You're a dumb ass for sitting there saying that its irrelevant. It's ok though..You like most of this nation is just too stupid to comprehend just how insignificant 0.63% is. Yeahhhhhhh you're not too bright..I swear I always attract the idiots..sigh
@WeeItsNookies setting up strawman arguments, resorting to personal attacks and still clinging on to your still very irrelevant statistic whilst ignoring the crux of my argument..yep, you even smell like a troll.
People, mainly women, get raped every day. In some places it's part of a daily routine. Women don't get pregnant from rape every day, but every day a woman is raped. Those are the facts. Now go back to school and pay attention to your teachers little girl.
@Bluebelle9289 But only 300,000 rapes occur every year in a nation with 155 million girls? Okies! Why do I always attract the idiots. Everytime I notice a reply to me I instantly go "welp heres going to be another moron" and what do you know..Another moron
@Bluebelle9289 You tell me to go back to school insinuating my intelligence is lacking even thou I stated statistical facts while telling me about something that school doesn't even teach. That would life experience..You're not too bright.
What people mean isn't that God plans for this to happen, but rather that since it will happen, something good will come out of it. Maybe a woman who was raped when she was younger will start an organization to counsel young girls who have gone through it, in effect saving multiple young girls from possibly committing suicide. I know from personal experience. My friend was killed in a car accident, but my best friend, who was going to kill herself, didn't. And she stopped cutting, too.
@hannahbananabelle then by your reason, God also planned for abortions, he planned for wars, pestillence, global starvation and corporate greed sucking the life out of its working class. It all makes sense now.
Why would anyone ask Justin Bieber a question like that anyway? It's not like he is running for public office or anything. Who cares what his views are on anything? The only think more pathetic than asking him the question in the first place are the people who take his answer seriously and criticize and analyze it.
I've never understood why comments like these should be more offensive than faith itself. If you believe that there is a benevolent, omnipotent God with a divine plan, then you MUST believe everything happens for a reason, including rape, murder, genocide, and all those lovely things.
Killing Babies has nothing to do with Religion, God and if you do it you will regret it one day if you have any type of conscience. I never really thought of a fetus as life until I saw my daughter born. It's life, and the debate ends for me when I have any of my money going to contribute to the killing of the unborn. Folks tend to group right to choose, Gay Marriage, Drug legalization, and many other non related issues into one. These issues are very different from each other
Fetuses aren't babies until they're born. Until then, they only have the potential to become babies. They're just masses of cells. If a fetus was a baby, we would not have any need for birthdays. We'd be celebrating conception days. The fact that you're using your daughter's birth as an excuse to take away other women's choices shows that you are ignorant, selfish, weak and have a massive disrespect for human life.
@Bluebelle9289 Your insults and general lack of respect for my opinion clearly show that you view me as as just a mass of cells. You clearly view anyone different from you as insignificant just as you do this potential life that has a heart beat. I have made this mistake and have come full circle, then shared this to add to this discussion, your comment added nothing but hate and a misguided idea that my comment somehow infringes on a woman’s rights. Your comment is rude
@Bluebelle9289 Actually you are wrong. When someone has an abortion at 6 months they have to insert a long needle into your stomach into the baby brain and inject a poison that kills it. then sit you on a toilet after breaking your water so you give birth to a BABY. Could you go up to a baby that was born at 5, 6, 7 or 8 months and do that just because they were not full term?
Your comment clearly shows your lack of life experience, sorry to point this out. As for Gays, women and my fellow man I have the upmost respect. I am very socially liberal, very much the opposite of my political views, then again I don’t believe are government should be powerful enough to be involved in these social matters. You have been misguided and need to read and listen more than speaking. Good day sweetie
It's reassuring and comforting to people as they attempt to find twisted back up for their God's existence. The ideals of a God is one who watches over the world and has the power to make it perfect. But apparently does not do either. When presented with the basic obvious evidence against this God that the world is not perfect, people come up with excuses in a sense of denial because this is a big blow to them, and say that this is how God wants it to be, although it could alter it, it doesn't.
"Everything happens for a reason"...well,if you assume that god=maker of reason,then the reason=Complete boredom.
If you assume no supernatural thing,then the reason=Complete Chaos.
The entire "Reasons" thing is just some fake way of humans to say "?Wharwulif?" which means "I don't have the right item for that"...so,they can't answer the question at all...
Also,why the heck people ask a pop-culture thing about reasons for thing in the first place?A new way to NOT look for ways to end Torments?=/
Whats with this atheist thing lol? Nearly every video! I could fucking watch pokemon and still read atheists bible thumping the religious. I personally am on the fence with my beliefs, but stop being arrogant fucking jerks and stop lt.
Let them believe their tales,
and let the accusers contradict their own morality.
OH MY GOSH! U are a GENIUS! I might not always agree with what you say, but you explain each of your opinions fluently. I hope you keep making videos talking about the constant predicaments of the world.
what the fuck is wrong with your voice? :)) it scares me. Also, i'm glad that there still are people out there who talk about the real issues of life! I think that what Justin Bieber said about abortions has an impact on all the world, i don't know why the government hasn't taken any actions yet... this is the world we live in...
Hmm, wouldn`t it be a relief to know something bad happened for a reason? In this case you didn`t suffer for nothing.... I don`t know, just an idea....
In context, Beiber and others aren;t condoning rape. What they are however are deeply conflicted about the possibility of killing a child. You may see the zypote, they see the baby; I see a contuum. "Everything happens for a reason, a rape baby can still grow up to be a good person." I l;ove the morning after pill here. I know a Christian rape victim who chose to have her baby and give it up for adaption.
They grow up to be a good person but they have to forever live with the fact that they are the product of rape and that's mostly all they'll be known as. Aside from that, forcing a woman to give birth to her rapist's spawn forces her to be reminded constantly of the nightmare.
Honestly why would you take anything that little idiot would say seriously, "I don't believe in abortion. Its like killing a baby." How observant of you Mr.Bieber.
i believe that most things happen for a reason. but rape is not one of them. and i do believe in abortion, if you don't want the kid and it has been born give it up to adoption, if you don't want it and it isn't born abort it. i fell then you should only keep your child if you want it and are not a threat to that child, that is my personal opinion. i have never, and hope i never will, be in a position that i have to make a choose like that.
God(s), I love you Zinnia. Hmm.. maybe that's an inaccurate statement. I guess I mean, I deeply appreciate your mind and the fact that you share your thoughts instead of keeping them to yourself. Despite the haters, despite the nonsense, you're steadfast. I just want to give a solid and deep "thank you." I love how (most) Atheists stick to logic and intellect. And you sincerely honor that structure. My hats off to you on that one.
@comradebashu - Umm... maybe by simple-minded brutes. Might doesn't make right, though. Shouldn't you be focusing on her mind and not what's underneath her legs... oh wait, then again, you actually care about the opinion and actions of high-schoolers -- HAH.. nevermind.
i cut my foot today, everything happens for a reason LOLOL sometimes you just need to turn away from these idiots, trying to understand their logic is hard because. . .there is none behind what they say.
So if everything happens for a reason, then why do we prosecute crimes? Obviously that crime happened for a reason. Free passes for murder for everyone!
Well ... there's this thing with space time. Everything that happens has happened and will happen. No one made it happen, aside from the people involved, but still.
i obviously think rape is bad and everything, but as a deterministic atheist, I don't see "something meant to happen" as offensive or mysterious statement ... everything that happens was meant to happen, or else it wouldn't have happened. It's just a tautological statement. - yes, this should be neither comforting nor discomforting and I agree that its stupid to even say such a thing, but I feel like the frustration displaced in the video is a bit misplaced =/
YEAH! And what if they were killed in the process? It was supposed to happen? I think not! Because, What if it was a mother going home to her loving family?
@tineeeable No. I was raped, and I don't believe it happened for a reason. If it turns out that God exists and it really did happen for a reason, I would be furious.
Zinnia and you other people, I am very disappointed in you for not checking your sources... I suppose I was the only one who read the day after that the Rolling Stones journalist backed away after he had INTENTIONALLY misquoted Justin. I'm a 19 year old guy. Why the fuck would I lie to protect Justin? I hate his music and his arrogance. But please man, don't spread these lies.
@Feldegast92 Why do you state your age and sex as if that should make any difference? I really don't understand why so many people hate this kid, some people make music you're not genna like, get the fuck over it.
I think the dude in the video is downright creepy. He looks, and sounds like what you expect that girl in the well in that horror movie, to grow up to be!
@grindingtheaxe I think ZJ already knows that. I think he's talking about those people who would think that sick fuck saw some easy prey and raped a person, but there's another reason behind that rape, other than that he is a sick fuck who saw some easy prey. Like that rape had some sort of greater goal to accomplish.
Errr, I'm sorry, I don't agree with you. You use the word "reason" where you should be using "cause". "Reason" implies conscious thought as well as a specific and usually positive goal (if said goal isn't positive, "reason" can often be replaced by "excuse").
"Cause" fits better with/into your statement -- although there are still some problems that way as well.
I don't agree with you, and that is the reason I'm downvoting your comment. :)
@grindingtheaxe Yeah there are reasons as in the causes of different things, however there are not reasons as in someone deserved to be raped because it means an invisible man in the sky wanted it to happen for shits and giggles, or that something good will happen because that terrible thing did. Like Zinnia said things just happen.
I think he was referring back specifically to his views on abortion. Like saying that the baby itself is still important, regardless of circumstances. It was, admittedly, very poorly worded, but it's not like he's paid to think out what he says. He's paid to sing what they tell him. Justin Beiber was not trying to justify rape, and claiming his did is just straw man BS.
The main problem with this sort of response, there "being" a reason, is that it is meant to provide support; to better understand it, you should listen to the Greek analogous saying from antiquity: «ουδεν κακον αμιγες κακου.» meaning: "naught bad deprived of good." Ironically, the Greek phrase has much greater applicability, for all its own faults: it means that everything can have something to gain from it eventually, also like Nietzsche's writing: "Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich starker."
my mom got raped 16 and pregnant she went into labor early and had a still born (dead baby) witch was one week before she was "legally" considered human there for my mom couple not give her a funeral. yes they are actual babies and human with feelings. and for the record jb said getting pregnant happens for a reason but added that hes never gone through it.
5. Of course, I am not to blame for AIDS in Africa, the recent disaster in Japan or for the rape I did not commit. But in saying that it happened for a reason, I would be saying something additional to ''It's not my fault'' - I would also be saying ''..nor is it my responsibility to acknowledge the position of the victim''. To reiterate, it is de facto a way to distance oneself from the event. It is a way of ambiguously undisclosing the agency (e.g., AIDS was God, but abortion is all YOU!). ---
4. Having said that it can bring a sense of relief, it is however not the right approach in the end. For me, the ''Everything happens for a reason'' approach is precisely that - a mechanism which removes one's personal responsibility and accountability from the equation (additionally, freeing up space to point the finger).
3. However, there is a level of coping that still manages to function. Like you say, ''the implication of something like rape happening as part of a greater plan are terrifying'' and personally, I fully agree. But when you are in the middle of a catastrophy and you are already somewhat.. let's say.. 'spiritually inclined', a ''learned helplessness'' approach can take away some stress by taking your own responsibility out of the equation.
2. But ''Everything happens for a reason'' allows enough space to both say ''God works in mysterious ways'', as well as blaming the victim for getting an abortion - since it leaves undisclosed as to who is actually the decisive agency in what 'happens'. And we see this everywhere. From natural disasters, the holocaust, to AIDS being a punishment by God - somehow it is all part of some bigger orchestration, as you put it. Of course, it is absolutely absurd and obnoxious.
1. ''He's hardly the first to come up with this mysterious answer''. Precisely and the elegance of ''everything happens for a reason'' (and I use the word elegance in a very loose sense) is not so much in its positing a Grand Narrative of the Universe - if you will - but rather the ambiguity it leaves in the acting agency. Like others say, and I fully agree, if we carry that line of thinking through.. abortion is also part of the plan.
You imply that, you don't say it. Goodness, JB is dumber than he looks. Give everyone a hug, not a slap in the face. There's something called tact; he should learn and study its ways.
I think the bigger question is who let that no talent hack get interviewed in Rolling Stone. Don't encourage that kid. He'll just keep making records.
@wappahawlic i havent cried for hmmm well im fifteen so ten years? but im sure you have XDDDDD probably many times, is that why you spend so much time picking fights on youtube? Why dont you walk out of your house and find someone? or get a better taste in music
@Inoryuki Your dumb ass missed the point; bottom line is: Fuck off, cry me a river and quit bitching about MY OPINION of this "girl" who is obviously a man. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD?
@wappahawlic nahhh i already planned my death out, so that would ruin my plan :/ your lucky to try though, not much of a way to die though XD though if thats your style..
Here's an idea maybe instead of abortion we could legalize gay adoption nationwide and then there would be no reason to abort a baby because there might actually be a SHORTAGE of orphans. Or is letting a child b raised by gay ppl a bigger "crime against god" then just killing it
If there is no non-arbitrary morally significant difference between the unborn and the born, which i think can be argued, then killing the unborn who is conceived of rape is no different then killing a 3 year old that was conceived of rape.
Abortion in the case of rape is still unjustified. Would we allow the mother to kill the rapist who did the crime? No! (some might say yes but by law we don't), but if she is not allowed to kill the rapist who is guilty, why is she allowed to kill the unborn child who is innocent?
@GGDFan777 Because the baby would forever be a reminder of what happened to her. And killing rapists, executing them SHOULD be legal. They are the lowest scum of the earth. They are utter, complete trash and a waste of life.
@blissfulltorment "Because it would be a reminder of what happened to her" Would u also apply that criteria to a born baby that was conceived of rape? If you had a born baby in front of u, that was conceived of rape, would u allow the mother to kill that baby because it would remind her of what happened to her? If not, doesn't it show that u are using that criteria arbitrarily? You either have to say it's not a good criteria, or also apply it in cases of born people, u can't have it both ways.
@GGDFan777 No, because you're one of those people who beleive life begins at conception. It does not, at that point it has no thought, no dreams, no conception of anything, rather than a already alive baby. Who does. You're pretty much compairing a chicken to an egg. Alot of people think it's wrong to kill chickens, but don't think twice about eggs. In short, you're an idiot.
@blissfulltorment "No, because you're one of those people who beleive life begins at conception. It does not" Life does begin at conception, and it's simply a matter of scientific fact:
Dr. Alfred M. Bongioanni, professor of pediatrics and obstetrics at the University of Pennsylvania, stated:
“I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.... "
Dr. Jerome LeJeune, professor of genetics at the University of Descartes in Paris, testified to the Judiciary Subcommittee, “after fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being.” He stated that this “is no longer a matter of taste or opinion,” and “not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence.”
Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic: “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.” Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School: “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive.... It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.... "
Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter—the beginning is conception. This straightforward biological fact should not be distorted to serve sociological, political, or economic goals.”
So I think the scientific evidence is overwelmingly on my side. The question then becomes, are there non-arbitrary reasons to justify killing the unborn?
I think the reason you offer, are in fact arbitrary. You say "at that point it has no thought, no dreams, no conception of anything, rather than a already alive baby." Not only is it unclear whether a baby that was just born has all those properties (it has surely hasn't devoloped it's ability to think, dream, have conceptions etc as much as an adult for example) but that there are other born people, people in a coma for example that could also justifiably be killed using that criteria.
Yet we don't say, those people in a coma are somehow not human beings or don't have a right to life. Therefore the criteria you offer is arbitrary and can't killing an unborn human being. Your chicken / egg analogy also fails. First of all, whether we eat chickens and/or eggs is irrelevant to whether 'human-abortion' is moral or not, precisely because we don't view ourselves just as mere 'animals'.
If you wanted to mean that the unborn is not a human being just like 'an egg is not a chicken' then this also fails. If that egg had not been furtelized before it was laid (and by the way most eggs that you buy in the store are not furtelized) then it is indeed not a chicken, but that's not analogous to the human embryo. The right analogy would be if that egg was furtelized before it was laid, but then that egg would in fact contain a chicken.
@blissfulltorment A chicken at the earliest stages of development but a chicken nonetheless, just as the unborn are human beings from the moment of conception even though they too are at the earliest stages of development ( see also watch?v=UUhgIH4itTE for a response to that objection)
well,things do happen for a reason somtimes you just cant find out why untill your much older but look at it this was zj if nothing bad ever happend what would be the point of living ? whats the point in living if there are no obsticals in your way , you dot get stronger right?
kdwilsongb 2 days ago
For some reason, I decided to read Justin Bieber's Wikipedia page the other day and I saw that quote. Its a terrible answer, but consistent with the whole "EVERYTHING happens for a reason" position.
TrashHeapHedonist 1 week ago
Bieber Reminds me of Dr. Pangloss.
theawesomebeliever 1 week ago
Justin Bieber is only 17, he is a famous musician, I doubt he really thought it over.
idunnoproductionzz 1 week ago
"Sometimes there is no point making lemonade."
I never make lemonade. I make combustable lemons to throw at life.
Unh3lpful 1 week ago
Jeez, there are some stupid comments on this video.
Look, Bieber is a imbecile. Just ignore anything and everything he says, he's only against abortion because he's still a fetus himself. And if he thinks there is a reason for rape and there are people out there who agree with him, then I don't think I want to live on this planet anymore.
thespiderrat1 1 week ago
Justin Bieber is a lil fuck face I cant stand that lil cunt. Rock on ZJ!
romanj24 2 weeks ago 2
wtf, r u a boy or girl?
gaaraohye 2 weeks ago
@gaaraohye Where there is an Apple there is a Banana
DoinDabzByTheSlabs 2 weeks ago
okay, nnnnnnnow i hate him.
nerdyharry 2 weeks ago
Why on earth would anyone choose to ask the fetus known as Justin Beiber such a searching question? Were they perhaps trying to make him look immature & childish? Er,he IS immature & childish if only by 'virtue' of his YOUTH! Way I see it,only a woman has the right to choose what to do with her womb/body,NOT church or STATE! If a woman feels incapable of giving birth after the horror that is rape,then so be it.Why should they be punished for choosing a termination?
popazz1 3 weeks ago
Once again, a rich fix of logic and wisdom--tastier than chocolate.
TheOkami1113 3 weeks ago
I have so much to say, I decided not to. Thanks.
shinobi1kenobi75 3 weeks ago
Bieber is a tool!
purplehaze20011982 4 weeks ago
Random event universe>Orchestrated Tragedies
Stupidfart9876 4 weeks ago
What are you, are you a evil trol from the dark caves of Norway. You cant talk about this issue because no one would ever want to rape you.
TheCaptonZ 4 weeks ago
@TheCaptonZ au contrare. everybody has someone, somewhere who wants to rape them.
nerdyharry 2 weeks ago
another person who hates justin bieber ..... yessss
SKAOOTBMX 1 month ago
Awesome logic, as always. This kind of fatalistic rhetoric is also great for avoiding personal responsibility, eg 'I failed my exams. I guess it wasn't meant to be.' No, you failed because you didn't study.
razoodocks 1 month ago
I love you, ZJ. Your logic and wisdom keeps me happy.
CrAzzyWak 1 month ago 24
I find nothing wrong with his answer. I actually am impressed slightly that he said he cant really make a true comment as he has never been there. I would also like to state, that in this case, I think rape did happen for a reason... how many people wouldnt be alive right now if these things didnt occur? I wonder how many mothers would trade their child for erasing rape from their life? Its an interesting question I think...
sagehawk12 1 month ago
Theres nothing wrong with this statement he made. Rape is caused by the reason that the rapist couldnt control his own impulses.
daniellos333 1 month ago
@daniellos333 wait... you are saying that rape is justified because the rapist really wanted to rape someone?
Ducati4623 1 month ago
@Ducati4623
I never said justified.
daniellos333 1 month ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
ur lucky ur so fucking ugly that a rapist would commit suicide while looking at u
oneloveyalls 1 month ago
@oneloveyalls Because It hurt her so much the last 10,000 times someone said such deragatory terms.
Chayraz2 1 month ago
If you read what he said carefully, he says pregnancy happens for a reason, not rape. Since they were asking about abortion you'd think you would use your common sense. He was just trying to say its not the babys fault he/she was conceived and should not kill the baby. People should respect him for that not try to twist his words to make him into something he is not.
Chenea100 1 month ago
@Chenea100 cause it does. you get raped-you can get pregnant. you got pregnant..., because you got raped. so d'you rather get the unwanted baby and give it into an orphanage or letting it grow up in an unstable family or using abortion? hmm...
gurkenhamster 1 month ago
@gurkenhamster that baby completely separate person then whoever impregnated her and the mother herself. It is scientifically proven that in your second trimester the baby feels the pain, that pain comes from getting its limps ripped off with a vacuum and then its skull crushed so its head can fit through the vacuum, did you know that when they put the vacuum inside, the baby tries viciously to get away from it. No baby deserves that weather they are a product of rape or not.
Chenea100 2 weeks ago
Who cares what the fucking fag thinks?
MrHav1k 1 month ago
It is true that everything happens for a reason - that's the basis of causality.
The idea that everything happens for a morally good reason, however, is vacuous crap indeed.
ThinkingSpeck 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
lol, I know more about this stuff than beiber, and he's older than me
bakonfreek 2 months ago
are u a dood
jackfrostoriganal 2 months ago
@jackfrostoriganal Are you a dod?
korisx 2 months ago
As much as I disagree with J.B., why the hell would Rolling Stone ask a 16 year old that question? I think the bias is so prevalent it's astounding. Now, let me be clear, since I'm tired of stupid knee-jerk reactions, I think Justin is 100% wrong, but I think R.S. is so full of shit if they're going to ask a 16 year old boy that question.
MrTrty5 2 months ago
"but that's no excuse"
With those words and the contest they are given you have verified exactly what you are.
blackacidlizzard 2 months ago
@blackacidlizzard there was a contest what was the prize?
korisx 2 months ago
They asked a 16 year old kid a question about rape and abortion. I repeat they asked a MALE kid, and this girl/guy is analyzing it and calling him out on it. ROFL. That said, the amount of rape victims per year is a completely irrelevant number. Less than 1%, its statistically irrelevant. People talk about rape like its a pandemic..oh boo hoo some guy stuck his penis in my orifice, I better become depressed and traumatized for the rest of my life.
WeeItsNookies 2 months ago
@WeeItsNookies Wtf is wrong with you?
MegaShitmeister 2 months ago
@WeeItsNookies I'm sure you had a point somewhere but it was drowned out by your wall of ignorance and your natural douchiness.
korisx 2 months ago
@korisx How can you claim ignorance? I swear its like all the retards learned a new word I hear it so much. I gave you the correct statistical data..That is the complete opposite of ignorance.
WeeItsNookies 2 months ago
@WeeItsNookies awww, you tried to use an irrelevant statistic to make yourself look all grown up, but in reality if you aren't able to comprehend the personal effect this would have on an individual and lack the empathetic prowess to discern the immorality of this concept then yes you are ignorant. Oh and look I used more big words!! XD.
korisx 2 months ago
@korisx How is using a statistic irrelevant? The subject of rape is treated as if you have a 1 in 2 chance of it happening. Like its a pandemic..You're a dumb ass for sitting there saying that its irrelevant. It's ok though..You like most of this nation is just too stupid to comprehend just how insignificant 0.63% is. Yeahhhhhhh you're not too bright..I swear I always attract the idiots..sigh
WeeItsNookies 2 months ago
@WeeItsNookies setting up strawman arguments, resorting to personal attacks and still clinging on to your still very irrelevant statistic whilst ignoring the crux of my argument..yep, you even smell like a troll.
korisx 2 months ago
@WeeItsNookies
People, mainly women, get raped every day. In some places it's part of a daily routine. Women don't get pregnant from rape every day, but every day a woman is raped. Those are the facts. Now go back to school and pay attention to your teachers little girl.
Bluebelle9289 1 month ago
@Bluebelle9289 But only 300,000 rapes occur every year in a nation with 155 million girls? Okies! Why do I always attract the idiots. Everytime I notice a reply to me I instantly go "welp heres going to be another moron" and what do you know..Another moron
WeeItsNookies 1 month ago
@Bluebelle9289 You tell me to go back to school insinuating my intelligence is lacking even thou I stated statistical facts while telling me about something that school doesn't even teach. That would life experience..You're not too bright.
WeeItsNookies 1 month ago
What people mean isn't that God plans for this to happen, but rather that since it will happen, something good will come out of it. Maybe a woman who was raped when she was younger will start an organization to counsel young girls who have gone through it, in effect saving multiple young girls from possibly committing suicide. I know from personal experience. My friend was killed in a car accident, but my best friend, who was going to kill herself, didn't. And she stopped cutting, too.
hannahbananabelle 2 months ago
@hannahbananabelle then by your reason, God also planned for abortions, he planned for wars, pestillence, global starvation and corporate greed sucking the life out of its working class. It all makes sense now.
korisx 2 months ago
Why would anyone ask Justin Bieber a question like that anyway? It's not like he is running for public office or anything. Who cares what his views are on anything? The only think more pathetic than asking him the question in the first place are the people who take his answer seriously and criticize and analyze it.
dpence1221 2 months ago
I've never understood why comments like these should be more offensive than faith itself. If you believe that there is a benevolent, omnipotent God with a divine plan, then you MUST believe everything happens for a reason, including rape, murder, genocide, and all those lovely things.
IoEstasCedonta 2 months ago
Killing Babies has nothing to do with Religion, God and if you do it you will regret it one day if you have any type of conscience. I never really thought of a fetus as life until I saw my daughter born. It's life, and the debate ends for me when I have any of my money going to contribute to the killing of the unborn. Folks tend to group right to choose, Gay Marriage, Drug legalization, and many other non related issues into one. These issues are very different from each other
Doggorunning 2 months ago
@Doggorunning
Fetuses aren't babies until they're born. Until then, they only have the potential to become babies. They're just masses of cells. If a fetus was a baby, we would not have any need for birthdays. We'd be celebrating conception days. The fact that you're using your daughter's birth as an excuse to take away other women's choices shows that you are ignorant, selfish, weak and have a massive disrespect for human life.
Bluebelle9289 1 month ago
@Bluebelle9289 Your insults and general lack of respect for my opinion clearly show that you view me as as just a mass of cells. You clearly view anyone different from you as insignificant just as you do this potential life that has a heart beat. I have made this mistake and have come full circle, then shared this to add to this discussion, your comment added nothing but hate and a misguided idea that my comment somehow infringes on a woman’s rights. Your comment is rude
Doggorunning 1 month ago
@Bluebelle9289 Actually you are wrong. When someone has an abortion at 6 months they have to insert a long needle into your stomach into the baby brain and inject a poison that kills it. then sit you on a toilet after breaking your water so you give birth to a BABY. Could you go up to a baby that was born at 5, 6, 7 or 8 months and do that just because they were not full term?
Chenea100 1 month ago
@Chenea100 That is the biggest pile of shit I have ever read.
Ducati4623 1 month ago
@Doggorunning
Next, bringing gay marriage and drugs into the abortion discussion only adds to your ignorance and lack of understanding on the subject.
Bluebelle9289 1 month ago
@Bluebelle9289
Your comment clearly shows your lack of life experience, sorry to point this out. As for Gays, women and my fellow man I have the upmost respect. I am very socially liberal, very much the opposite of my political views, then again I don’t believe are government should be powerful enough to be involved in these social matters. You have been misguided and need to read and listen more than speaking. Good day sweetie
Doggorunning 1 month ago
Lol Reddit shirt.
secretk33per 2 months ago
It's reassuring and comforting to people as they attempt to find twisted back up for their God's existence. The ideals of a God is one who watches over the world and has the power to make it perfect. But apparently does not do either. When presented with the basic obvious evidence against this God that the world is not perfect, people come up with excuses in a sense of denial because this is a big blow to them, and say that this is how God wants it to be, although it could alter it, it doesn't.
DimSimToughBitch 2 months ago
Yay Reddit! :D
I absolutely LOVE this video! I've been saying this for so long now, and all I get is "you're so negative! How can you say that!"
MsLavenderdolphin 2 months ago
"Everything happens for a reason"...well,if you assume that god=maker of reason,then the reason=Complete boredom.
If you assume no supernatural thing,then the reason=Complete Chaos.
The entire "Reasons" thing is just some fake way of humans to say "?Wharwulif?" which means "I don't have the right item for that"...so,they can't answer the question at all...
Also,why the heck people ask a pop-culture thing about reasons for thing in the first place?A new way to NOT look for ways to end Torments?=/
Wharwulif 3 months ago
Fuck your fucking so lame...!!!
Anuar9107 3 months ago
Whats with this atheist thing lol? Nearly every video! I could fucking watch pokemon and still read atheists bible thumping the religious. I personally am on the fence with my beliefs, but stop being arrogant fucking jerks and stop lt.
Let them believe their tales,
and let the accusers contradict their own morality.
Fucking rejects.
stepsinit 3 months ago
HOLY S#!T!!! We agree on something!
HardonZ 3 months ago
OH MY GOSH! U are a GENIUS! I might not always agree with what you say, but you explain each of your opinions fluently. I hope you keep making videos talking about the constant predicaments of the world.
Marluxiaflower1 3 months ago
what the fuck is wrong with your voice? :)) it scares me. Also, i'm glad that there still are people out there who talk about the real issues of life! I think that what Justin Bieber said about abortions has an impact on all the world, i don't know why the government hasn't taken any actions yet... this is the world we live in...
mirteoda 3 months ago
You know what, I like you. First video, and I've subbed. :)
SmileChicky 3 months ago
Hmm, wouldn`t it be a relief to know something bad happened for a reason? In this case you didn`t suffer for nothing.... I don`t know, just an idea....
tineeeable 3 months ago
Pop stars should just talk about their music, because they just get into the shit otherwise.
Wordavee1 3 months ago
Anything an atheist does is not part of the plan, but as long as a Christian does it is a plan.
deathsminion25 3 months ago
In context, Beiber and others aren;t condoning rape. What they are however are deeply conflicted about the possibility of killing a child. You may see the zypote, they see the baby; I see a contuum. "Everything happens for a reason, a rape baby can still grow up to be a good person." I l;ove the morning after pill here. I know a Christian rape victim who chose to have her baby and give it up for adaption.
truevoiceofsanity 3 months ago
@truevoiceofsanity
They grow up to be a good person but they have to forever live with the fact that they are the product of rape and that's mostly all they'll be known as. Aside from that, forcing a woman to give birth to her rapist's spawn forces her to be reminded constantly of the nightmare.
Bluebelle9289 1 month ago
As usual....well said.
3ohs0unds 3 months ago
Honestly why would you take anything that little idiot would say seriously, "I don't believe in abortion. Its like killing a baby." How observant of you Mr.Bieber.
SparklyyMegan 3 months ago
i believe that most things happen for a reason. but rape is not one of them. and i do believe in abortion, if you don't want the kid and it has been born give it up to adoption, if you don't want it and it isn't born abort it. i fell then you should only keep your child if you want it and are not a threat to that child, that is my personal opinion. i have never, and hope i never will, be in a position that i have to make a choose like that.
lexalina132 3 months ago
God(s), I love you Zinnia. Hmm.. maybe that's an inaccurate statement. I guess I mean, I deeply appreciate your mind and the fact that you share your thoughts instead of keeping them to yourself. Despite the haters, despite the nonsense, you're steadfast. I just want to give a solid and deep "thank you." I love how (most) Atheists stick to logic and intellect. And you sincerely honor that structure. My hats off to you on that one.
YourDarkAccomplice 3 months ago
are you male or female? i hope female because otherwise you must get beat up in high school A LOT
comradebashu 3 months ago
@comradebashu - Umm... maybe by simple-minded brutes. Might doesn't make right, though. Shouldn't you be focusing on her mind and not what's underneath her legs... oh wait, then again, you actually care about the opinion and actions of high-schoolers -- HAH.. nevermind.
YourDarkAccomplice 3 months ago
@YourDarkAccomplice yeah i never said i care but those simple minded brutes sure do trololololol
comradebashu 3 months ago
reddit ftw. ;x
SaidForhat 3 months ago
i cut my foot today, everything happens for a reason LOLOL sometimes you just need to turn away from these idiots, trying to understand their logic is hard because. . .there is none behind what they say.
poisonheadcrab 3 months ago
As a survivor of child rape on several occasions, I LOVE you, Zinnia. Thank you!
TrustorBust716 3 months ago
So if everything happens for a reason, then why do we prosecute crimes? Obviously that crime happened for a reason. Free passes for murder for everyone!
BostonUrMyHome 3 months ago
Damn right, you said it right!
SilentChaosHD 4 months ago
Well ... there's this thing with space time. Everything that happens has happened and will happen. No one made it happen, aside from the people involved, but still.
Vortex289 4 months ago
so...... ZJ's a redditor!?
872463051 4 months ago
Shut up, meg.
XHeliManX 4 months ago
this shows that these days, it's so easy to get persecuted for having different opinions than others
xxchimakaraxx 4 months ago
Here, here!
nicholesnow 4 months ago
i obviously think rape is bad and everything, but as a deterministic atheist, I don't see "something meant to happen" as offensive or mysterious statement ... everything that happens was meant to happen, or else it wouldn't have happened. It's just a tautological statement. - yes, this should be neither comforting nor discomforting and I agree that its stupid to even say such a thing, but I feel like the frustration displaced in the video is a bit misplaced =/
Ash243x 4 months ago
looks very robot like reading off notes.
timm9 4 months ago
justin bieber is gay....like in the true meaning. just say'in.
timm9 4 months ago
Omg u were raped ???
calebsizemore 4 months ago
OH HEY! A fellow redditor! Nice to see some one as intellectual as your self apart of my favorite website XD
1Necr0phagE1 4 months ago
YEAH! And what if they were killed in the process? It was supposed to happen? I think not! Because, What if it was a mother going home to her loving family?
sillyangelperson 4 months ago
I've been through it. If God exists, and that actually happened for a reason, I will try my darndest to maim him.
That being said, ZJ, you are an amazing person.
spac3cad3t 4 months ago
@spac3cad3t So not to offend you, just because I`m interested: you were raped but you believed it happened for a reason?
tineeeable 4 months ago
@tineeeable No. I was raped, and I don't believe it happened for a reason. If it turns out that God exists and it really did happen for a reason, I would be furious.
spac3cad3t 4 months ago
@spac3cad3t oh, sorry I got it completely wrong....!
tineeeable 4 months ago
@tineeeable No worries =)
spac3cad3t 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Homosexuality has no benefit to society so homos have to make up contraversery
hanksnow82 4 months ago
I hate it when I rape children and the parents walk in on me.
WonderfulDenmark 4 months ago
people think justin bieber is smart enough to answer questions?
moonlightkisu 5 months ago
Zinnia and you other people, I am very disappointed in you for not checking your sources... I suppose I was the only one who read the day after that the Rolling Stones journalist backed away after he had INTENTIONALLY misquoted Justin. I'm a 19 year old guy. Why the fuck would I lie to protect Justin? I hate his music and his arrogance. But please man, don't spread these lies.
Feldegast92 5 months ago
@Feldegast92 Why do you state your age and sex as if that should make any difference? I really don't understand why so many people hate this kid, some people make music you're not genna like, get the fuck over it.
Minecraft4life1000 5 months ago
@Feldegast92 Even if Justin didn't say it, the point of the argument is that others HAVE said it before and are continuing to.
star3catcherSEQUEL 5 months ago
who cares? he's just a stupid kid...
miasmablk 5 months ago
what the fuck is that
JamesWaton 5 months ago
I think the dude in the video is downright creepy. He looks, and sounds like what you expect that girl in the well in that horror movie, to grow up to be!
sirjames45 5 months ago
@sirjames45 lolwut?
TheSwireRob 4 months ago
I love the videos, ZJ, but in this case I will have to disagree. Everything does have a reason, no matter how miniscule said reason is. For instance:
Scenario: Rape- Reason: Some sick fuck saw some easy prey,
or...
Scenario: Plane Crash- Reason: Technical malfunction maybe somebody was slacking somewhere.
Point being, there is a reason for everything. That reason may not (never does) have any cosmological relevance, but reasons nevertheless.
grindingtheaxe 5 months ago 6
@grindingtheaxe yeah she addresses that at
@1:47
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@grindingtheaxe
Did you even watch the video?
ignoranttwat 5 months ago
@grindingtheaxe I think ZJ already knows that. I think he's talking about those people who would think that sick fuck saw some easy prey and raped a person, but there's another reason behind that rape, other than that he is a sick fuck who saw some easy prey. Like that rape had some sort of greater goal to accomplish.
myuzeefreak 3 months ago
@grindingtheaxe
Errr, I'm sorry, I don't agree with you. You use the word "reason" where you should be using "cause". "Reason" implies conscious thought as well as a specific and usually positive goal (if said goal isn't positive, "reason" can often be replaced by "excuse").
"Cause" fits better with/into your statement -- although there are still some problems that way as well.
I don't agree with you, and that is the reason I'm downvoting your comment. :)
deviantXarratha 2 months ago
@grindingtheaxe Yeah there are reasons as in the causes of different things, however there are not reasons as in someone deserved to be raped because it means an invisible man in the sky wanted it to happen for shits and giggles, or that something good will happen because that terrible thing did. Like Zinnia said things just happen.
DimSimToughBitch 2 months ago
@grindingtheaxe 1:50
Hersoftestsoul 2 months ago
If everything happens for a reason, there must be a good reason why people deconvert and become atheists.
eddiminus 5 months ago 37
This has been flagged as spam show
"If everything happens for a reason, there must be a good reason why people deconvert and become atheists."
Choice
Freewill,free choice
Fate vs destiney is nonsence....it's all just the sum of choice
TheRealArchAngel 4 months ago
I think he was referring back specifically to his views on abortion. Like saying that the baby itself is still important, regardless of circumstances. It was, admittedly, very poorly worded, but it's not like he's paid to think out what he says. He's paid to sing what they tell him. Justin Beiber was not trying to justify rape, and claiming his did is just straw man BS.
dlewis1498 5 months ago
The main problem with this sort of response, there "being" a reason, is that it is meant to provide support; to better understand it, you should listen to the Greek analogous saying from antiquity: «ουδεν κακον αμιγες κακου.» meaning: "naught bad deprived of good." Ironically, the Greek phrase has much greater applicability, for all its own faults: it means that everything can have something to gain from it eventually, also like Nietzsche's writing: "Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich starker."
RaspK 5 months ago
hey i finally agree with you on something!
ilikepie544 5 months ago
oh my, he is young kid in the entertament. He had a good point on the Health care question.
dharmaatdawn 5 months ago
Omg your angry. Like really angry.
supermacsfanclub 6 months ago
JB deserves a good kick to the balls. If he even has any...
loner1878 6 months ago 2
my mom got raped 16 and pregnant she went into labor early and had a still born (dead baby) witch was one week before she was "legally" considered human there for my mom couple not give her a funeral. yes they are actual babies and human with feelings. and for the record jb said getting pregnant happens for a reason but added that hes never gone through it.
Chenea100 6 months ago
5. Of course, I am not to blame for AIDS in Africa, the recent disaster in Japan or for the rape I did not commit. But in saying that it happened for a reason, I would be saying something additional to ''It's not my fault'' - I would also be saying ''..nor is it my responsibility to acknowledge the position of the victim''. To reiterate, it is de facto a way to distance oneself from the event. It is a way of ambiguously undisclosing the agency (e.g., AIDS was God, but abortion is all YOU!). ---
kasitera 6 months ago
4. Having said that it can bring a sense of relief, it is however not the right approach in the end. For me, the ''Everything happens for a reason'' approach is precisely that - a mechanism which removes one's personal responsibility and accountability from the equation (additionally, freeing up space to point the finger).
kasitera 6 months ago
3. However, there is a level of coping that still manages to function. Like you say, ''the implication of something like rape happening as part of a greater plan are terrifying'' and personally, I fully agree. But when you are in the middle of a catastrophy and you are already somewhat.. let's say.. 'spiritually inclined', a ''learned helplessness'' approach can take away some stress by taking your own responsibility out of the equation.
kasitera 6 months ago
2. But ''Everything happens for a reason'' allows enough space to both say ''God works in mysterious ways'', as well as blaming the victim for getting an abortion - since it leaves undisclosed as to who is actually the decisive agency in what 'happens'. And we see this everywhere. From natural disasters, the holocaust, to AIDS being a punishment by God - somehow it is all part of some bigger orchestration, as you put it. Of course, it is absolutely absurd and obnoxious.
kasitera 6 months ago
1. ''He's hardly the first to come up with this mysterious answer''. Precisely and the elegance of ''everything happens for a reason'' (and I use the word elegance in a very loose sense) is not so much in its positing a Grand Narrative of the Universe - if you will - but rather the ambiguity it leaves in the acting agency. Like others say, and I fully agree, if we carry that line of thinking through.. abortion is also part of the plan.
kasitera 6 months ago
that male female thing scares me
justinghawk 6 months ago
You make some excellent points.
Thanks.
Nilguiri 6 months ago
You imply that, you don't say it. Goodness, JB is dumber than he looks. Give everyone a hug, not a slap in the face. There's something called tact; he should learn and study its ways.
TheEleventhElven 6 months ago
if everything happens for a reason made by "god"...
then we all have the "free will", givven by "god" ,to decide against those reasons.
isnt that great?
workescapist 6 months ago
Here. You want me to "grow up" then fine. FUCK YOU!
MegaShawnieboy 6 months ago
Omg I love you xD You expressed my views and thoughts.
blissfulltorment 7 months ago
I think the bigger question is who let that no talent hack get interviewed in Rolling Stone. Don't encourage that kid. He'll just keep making records.
TheCeejReturns 7 months ago 27
r u a guy ?
usmc123100 7 months ago
@usmc123100 zinnia? yes he is
Inoryuki 7 months ago
What is this thing talking? A man or woman; I can't tell by the voice
wappahawlic 7 months ago
@wappahawlic well thats just a wonderful thing to say :/ a wee bit rude is yaz?
Inoryuki 7 months ago
@Inoryuki you need to do this for me. /watch?v=2HO9SXJmkSA&feature=related
wappahawlic 7 months ago
@wappahawlic hmm i am not a fan of justin timbrlake, though i can see why you are XDD
Inoryuki 6 months ago
@Inoryuki Cry me a river.......
wappahawlic 6 months ago
@wappahawlic i havent cried for hmmm well im fifteen so ten years? but im sure you have XDDDDD probably many times, is that why you spend so much time picking fights on youtube? Why dont you walk out of your house and find someone? or get a better taste in music
Inoryuki 6 months ago
@Inoryuki Your dumb ass missed the point; bottom line is: Fuck off, cry me a river and quit bitching about MY OPINION of this "girl" who is obviously a man. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD?
wappahawlic 6 months ago
@wappahawlic but i dont care about your opinion, you listen to bad music :/
Inoryuki 6 months ago
@Inoryuki Your a fucking idiot; now quit commenting.
wappahawlic 6 months ago
@wappahawlic you cant tell a man from a woman and im the stupid one XDDDDDD and you first :)
Inoryuki 6 months ago
@Inoryuki Your annoying as fuck, go die in a ditch somewhere.
wappahawlic 6 months ago
@wappahawlic nahhh i already planned my death out, so that would ruin my plan :/ your lucky to try though, not much of a way to die though XD though if thats your style..
Inoryuki 6 months ago
Here's an idea maybe instead of abortion we could legalize gay adoption nationwide and then there would be no reason to abort a baby because there might actually be a SHORTAGE of orphans. Or is letting a child b raised by gay ppl a bigger "crime against god" then just killing it
thewhatsit104 7 months ago
@thewhatsit104 Because homophobe's care more about their views than a child's life.
blissfulltorment 7 months ago
If there is no non-arbitrary morally significant difference between the unborn and the born, which i think can be argued, then killing the unborn who is conceived of rape is no different then killing a 3 year old that was conceived of rape.
GGDFan777 7 months ago
Abortion in the case of rape is still unjustified. Would we allow the mother to kill the rapist who did the crime? No! (some might say yes but by law we don't), but if she is not allowed to kill the rapist who is guilty, why is she allowed to kill the unborn child who is innocent?
GGDFan777 7 months ago
@GGDFan777 Because the baby would forever be a reminder of what happened to her. And killing rapists, executing them SHOULD be legal. They are the lowest scum of the earth. They are utter, complete trash and a waste of life.
blissfulltorment 7 months ago
@blissfulltorment "Because it would be a reminder of what happened to her" Would u also apply that criteria to a born baby that was conceived of rape? If you had a born baby in front of u, that was conceived of rape, would u allow the mother to kill that baby because it would remind her of what happened to her? If not, doesn't it show that u are using that criteria arbitrarily? You either have to say it's not a good criteria, or also apply it in cases of born people, u can't have it both ways.
GGDFan777 7 months ago
@GGDFan777 No, because you're one of those people who beleive life begins at conception. It does not, at that point it has no thought, no dreams, no conception of anything, rather than a already alive baby. Who does. You're pretty much compairing a chicken to an egg. Alot of people think it's wrong to kill chickens, but don't think twice about eggs. In short, you're an idiot.
blissfulltorment 7 months ago
@blissfulltorment "No, because you're one of those people who beleive life begins at conception. It does not" Life does begin at conception, and it's simply a matter of scientific fact:
Dr. Alfred M. Bongioanni, professor of pediatrics and obstetrics at the University of Pennsylvania, stated:
“I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.... "
GGDFan777 7 months ago
Dr. Jerome LeJeune, professor of genetics at the University of Descartes in Paris, testified to the Judiciary Subcommittee, “after fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being.” He stated that this “is no longer a matter of taste or opinion,” and “not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence.”
GGDFan777 7 months ago
Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic: “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.” Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School: “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive.... It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.... "
GGDFan777 7 months ago
Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter—the beginning is conception. This straightforward biological fact should not be distorted to serve sociological, political, or economic goals.”
So I think the scientific evidence is overwelmingly on my side. The question then becomes, are there non-arbitrary reasons to justify killing the unborn?
GGDFan777 7 months ago
I think the reason you offer, are in fact arbitrary. You say "at that point it has no thought, no dreams, no conception of anything, rather than a already alive baby." Not only is it unclear whether a baby that was just born has all those properties (it has surely hasn't devoloped it's ability to think, dream, have conceptions etc as much as an adult for example) but that there are other born people, people in a coma for example that could also justifiably be killed using that criteria.
GGDFan777 7 months ago
Yet we don't say, those people in a coma are somehow not human beings or don't have a right to life. Therefore the criteria you offer is arbitrary and can't killing an unborn human being. Your chicken / egg analogy also fails. First of all, whether we eat chickens and/or eggs is irrelevant to whether 'human-abortion' is moral or not, precisely because we don't view ourselves just as mere 'animals'.
GGDFan777 7 months ago
If you wanted to mean that the unborn is not a human being just like 'an egg is not a chicken' then this also fails. If that egg had not been furtelized before it was laid (and by the way most eggs that you buy in the store are not furtelized) then it is indeed not a chicken, but that's not analogous to the human embryo. The right analogy would be if that egg was furtelized before it was laid, but then that egg would in fact contain a chicken.
GGDFan777 7 months ago
@blissfulltorment A chicken at the earliest stages of development but a chicken nonetheless, just as the unborn are human beings from the moment of conception even though they too are at the earliest stages of development ( see also watch?v=UUhgIH4itTE for a response to that objection)
GGDFan777 7 months ago