The Ballad Of Pat Tillman

[ChilesGreen]

Many of us have gone though the same cognitive shift. First outrage and wanting to lash out at those we were told were the enemy. Once one examines details we were spoon fed by the media about 911, it's obvious the whole thing was a big lie. Pat Tillman was betrayed by evil forces who used 911 for their personal gain and to hijack our government. Perhaps Seal Team Six, who's members want no association with Jessica Lynch type fairy tale's (the OBL raid) suffered the same fate.

[iamhungey12345]

Whether is a frag or a friendly fire, it won't change the fact that he's a hero. How many athletes would put their career on hold to risk their lives for the country?

Sucked about the cover up.

[og4sure]

think about all the other soldiers parents whos son or daughter was KIA thru fraticide and lied to just as pat tillmans publicicty was lied about.

read the book!

[rmace12248]

read the new book about tillman then liberals please come back with some knowledge. also, idc if you dislike any american wars, etc. but criticize a man because he got killed in the military, regardless of how he did. have some respect for him and his family and don't bash him or his ethics. I would like to see any of you sitting here go make a commitment to ur country that u hate so much. trust me if you knew about pat you would know he opposed the war he was fighting in but he still served

[thementalpatient2005]

He was killed exactly because he found out that his unit was only their to protect the poppy fields(drugs) in afghanistan. He told his commanding officer that when he got back that he was going to tell the american people. He was kind of high profile, so they couldnt let that happen. He was shot 3 times in the face at point blank range. Friendly fire, I dont think so. Then the military had the nerve to lie about a firefight.

[Hobbescatstubbytai]

Leftist traitors and morons. That's all you pukes are.

[DRNO777]

You leftist liberal fucks. Go make an excuse for you lame ass, scared little pussies you call friends, who don't even serve this country. You have no room to say fuck all about Pat Tillman. Burn in hell you fucktards.

[burkinatorous]

Glad this fuck Pat till man is dead

[tiove]

er... Pat Tillman was pretty much a 'leftist' - big fan of Noam Chomsky

[niagra898]

Liberals are a funny species,"illegal war"..

Do you people realize we can not only do without you,our country would prosper ten fold.

Libs never sacrifice,it just not in your genes.

For shame...cowards.

[tiove]

But Pat Tillman was liberal - why dont YOU have the GODDMAN courtesy to read the tribute book to him by his mother? and learn that what the video description says is actually right! Liberals do sacrifice - but they dont lie, like others or try and stick their fucking head in the sand. You say you respect Pat well fucking learn about him!

[webproducerpro]

Thank God for liberal genes! Without them their would be no intelligence, facts and clear observation. The only cowards are those who hide behind conservative "ethics."

[rakokako]

pat tillman i remember!

[PunkMartyr]

Wtf with the song otherwise not bad

Also why do people keep saying he was murdered thats bs no one who believes in anything would want to go before God after killing a hero like Tillman

[gqmighty]

I cant say he was murdered..but their are some real question about how he was killed...the "friendly fire" incident..and how it was then covered up

[tiove]

yeah its really REALLY questionable the incidences involving his death. Just for god sakes read his tribute book by his mother especially captain scotts battlion 15-6 investigation which is initiated within 24 hrs of the incident, and his testimony to general jones. Im not kidding you will be shocked its hard for me to say that he was murdered but yeah just read it and give me your opinion

[capelipl]

a hero murdered

a government and a military criminally shamed

a citizenry betrayed

a nation attacked by sedition from within

anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot and treasonist.

[capelipl]

a hero murdered , a government and a military shamed, a nation under attack , from within

we live americas darkest days , anyone who tells you otherwise

is a fascist and treasonist

[Dutchoven08]

Dennis Kucinich favors opening an actual investigation into the murder of Pat Tillman. We know after centuries of war that the "fog of war" is a tool used by those in power to get what they want and eliminate those that get in the way.

Dennis4President dot com.

[jozzmer]

i mean njust look at the jessica lynch case for an example of a military cover up for propaganda purposes. and those who say "oh but see that got exposed" well it only got exposed cause the dudes spoke out and people investigated. and do you really think abu graib wouldnt have continued unless those pictures came to light?

[tiove]

could you describe the jessica lynch case to me pelase i ahve heard of her - seen her on a documentary called Control Room - but that it

[uricehe4]

This comes from a source who was in Afghanistan with connections to Tillman's Unit: Not only had PT become more antiwar in his views, he'd also vocally expressed disgust with military corruption and misconduct he'd seen and it was believed he was documenting it in a diary he kept. Shortly thereafter he was killed in VERY suspicious circumstances, the diary disappeared, and the Army went into massive cover up/lie mode. Draw your own conclusions.

[jestice75]

Well, isn't that a bitch...your only evidence just happened to disappear.

[tiove]

hmm true but he did plan a meeting with Noam Chomsky - which chomsky confirmed. And Specialist Russell Baer is quoted by the san franciso chronicle [a guy in Pat's unit in iraq] as hearing pat say that war in Iraq was fucking illegal

[helvis213]

This kind of shit has to be dealt with severely. This guy is a hero in any way you look at it. Naturally, Bush Co. liars couldn't see that. This is an impeachable offense from a fucking AWOL ASSHOLE!!!!!!

[vasyvic]

"Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman's forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player's death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press...Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, who has long suggested that her son was deliberately killed by his comrades, said she is still looking for answers..." Editor & Pulisher, July 26, 2007

[trexx32]

A true hero!!!!!!!Murder and his family and country lies too by the people and country he served

[mujaku]

Pat was probably assassinated. Facts show he detested the war in Iraq--and the criminality of certain operations. In other words, he posed a major propaganda threat. He was an avid reader and a brilliant thinker. Three bullets went into his forehead at close range. Rangers don't have very many friendly fire deaths. They are highly skilled warriors who don't screw up.

[diogeneslaertius666]

i watched the entire hearing several times and have done my share of research and i just want to say, as a student of human history, science and religion that there are two types of christians. people who strive to be like christ and people who would suggest that a greiving mother is somehow inferior psychologicaly because she can never have closure over the death of her son because she doesnt accept the same metaphysical doctrine codifed by the same dogma that they do.

[diogeneslaertius666]

we miss you pat

take care bro

[GeorgeVreelandHill]

Shame on the military for lying to the family of hero Pat Tillman and the public about the circumstances of Tillman's death in Afghanistan.

Just tell the truth.

One man saw what happened to Tillman, and he was told to keep quiet about it.

Tillman and others who have, and are serving their country, are not doing so to have their families lied to.

Military leaders lie through their teeth to make the war on terror look better than it really is.

Don't serve your country!

George Vreeland Hill

[blazak]

If the "Support the troops" crowd wants to see how Bush supports the troops, they don't have to talk to Jessica Lynch or Pat Tillman's family. They can just go to any on-ramp and talk to a homeless vet. Support the HOMELESS Troops.

[blazak]

Soldier: I was warned against telling Tillman truth

The last soldier to see Army Ranger Pat Tillman alive told lawmakers he was warned not to divulge that a U.S. soldier killed the ex-professional football player. Tillman's family and former Pfc. Jessica Lynch earlier gave testimony into how the Pentagon spread false stories about him in Afghanistan and her in Iraq.

[vasyvic]

Thank you, blazak. I'm surprised at how many comments show people barely paying attention to reported facts or the family's comments on this case. See IrishAmericanRay for hate speech against the dead, fffighter3 still claiming "there was no cover up",or Thundercat32 not recognizing that Tillman was questioning and changing his own view on administration war justifications as time went by. Your comments are show attention to discovered and verifiable facts and are much appreciated!

[whalefish83]

cheers for this, its a sick to fathom it for many, but yes he was killed because of the paranioa that he would become a figurehead for the anti war movement

[Thundercat32]

excuse me believed George W. Bush's lies? Pat Tillman went to fight terrorism overseas in response to the attacks on our soil, what is phony about 9/11? you believe that stupid @ss movie loose change?

[vasyvic]

Thundercat, are you claiming you don't know about the changes in Tillman's political views? Listen to his mother here on YouTube. He denounced the Iraq war as illegal. His mother, father & brother are very angry at being lied to and that his diary and property were destroyed. Why aren't you? As to 9/11, I don't buy the official conspiracy story. If it was true that everybody failed, they would not have been rewarded and promoted! Read David Ray Griffin's books.

[IrishAmericanRay]

When you are in a war that's all you need to here is an asshole bringing down moral complaining that we are here on a lie, the motherFu*cker died from friendly fire Tillman should have never gotten an officers rank or funeral.

[vasyvic]

And you need to find a country where freedom to investigate and speak out is illegal. You don't sound like you belive in democracy or rights. And you certainly don't respect or honor Pat Tillman Mr Irish American Ray. Were you drunk when you wrote this crap?

Or are you a red, white and blue Nazi?

[tiove]

you know what thank you - at least you are being honest unlike people gloryfying pat for their heinous agenda that he would himself have found disgusting. But i want to say that if you are a soldier dont for one fucking minute think you are special or deserve any privilege by what you have said - bringing down morale!?! because he is sick about innocent people dying!?? you are disgrace there is no glory or honour in people like you.

[tiove]

Also look how goddamn easy you want to make it for your self goodness knows how unendurable war can be - but that gives you right to forget morals for morale!? this is glory hmm? this is honour?

[vasyvic]

I never say in the song that he died in Iraq. You need to listen and learn from a wider spectrum of sources. Then you might speak more credibly, sir. Still I thank you for your civility and i respect and defend your rights.

[angryamerican]

Pat Tillman was neither Democrat or Republican. He was a Libertarian who loved his country.

He turned down 3.6 million dollars to join the U.S. Army and became an elite Ranger.

What an American Hero.

[vasyvic]

Well said! But never forget that he was a hero for using his intelligent mind and his love of truth and justice to question his leaders. If soldiers like him filled the ranks of Hitler's Nazi army, Hitler would have had a lot of unexpected problems. Now Bush and Cheney have such problems. Thank you Pat Tillman! Bring the troops home to struggle for a USA that we can be proud of and that the world is not afraid of!

[vasyvic]

Thanks for the note. Like most of us, Pat believed the lies of Bush about 9/11 & WMD back then. He joined the Army to fight the enemy named by Bush & Cheney, who later installed Unocal Oil's Hamid Karzai as Afghan President. During Pat's 1st Iraq tour he investigated and by his Afghan tour he was corresponding with war critic Noam Chomsky. Who knows what he would he have done after combat? What can one do when one feels lied to and betrayed?

[lnccl]

There is nothing to say but good things about this guy!

[JJNiggle]

I'm a huge fan of the bravery, honor, and integrity Mr. Tillman had; which is why it's such a shame to see such a great man die in friendly fire in a war that's done nothing but destroy America on so many levels. The worst part is they lied about his death.

[vasyvic]

Hi JJ! I think we need to be more than fans of Pat Tillman. It is not his celebrity status that sets him apart. It is his commitment to truth and justice. He realize that he'd been lied to and used for criminal purposes after he had a chance to look into it. Check out my song video In Normandy When Breezes Blow/Our Pledge To You: "The way to honor you is by being free!" The way to honor Pat Tillman is to struggle for a better country, not follow leaders who lie and betray our patriotism!

[sheldennsk]

He joined to protect what he belived in. Anybody who would give up a 3 year 3.2 million dollar contract to defend my country is a hero

[vasyvic]

Yes, Tillman's motives were honorable. Indeed, he came to realize that he was lied to. You can read the real shameful comments of posturing patriots who are too lazy to do what Pat did...See through the lies of the complicit war mongering and profiteering media!

[vasyvic]

Think this through a little bit more, ok? Pat Tillman went through major changes in his views because he was a capable thinker. He came to feel that the truth and justice that he believed in were damaged by dangerous lies. He was planning to come home to continue the struggle for what he believed and it would not have been a good thing for Bush and the Neo Cons to have a famous patriot feeling betrayed coming after them!

[fffighter3]

Tillman is rolling over in his grave because of this video. You can't even respect a dead man. Thank God cowards like you never come in the military. You are a disgrace.

[vasyvic]

You don't seem to accept that Pat Tillman turned against the lies and the war, or that the Pentagon lied about what happened to his parents. Yet you want to lecture a citizen brave enough to use the free speech in the Bill of Rights. You should wonder why the government lied WMD, then about Pat's death and burned his diary and property. And you should check out what his brother Kevin has to say now that he is out of the military. Study that with an open mind!

[fffighter3]

There was no cover up. A proper investigation needed to be conducted. There was never any denial of what happened with the Rangers involved. Move to some Islamic country you cowardly bitch. Lied, if one person lied, so did all the liberal pieces of shit in congress.

[tiove]

i know his uniform was burned but where does it say his diary was? I just have one chapter left in Mary Tillmans book, does she mention it in the book? please reply back

[ElPzoCulSin]

You should be ashamed to use Tillman's tragedy to spread your anti-Bush rants

[vasyvic]

Bush should have been ashamed to lie to honest patriotic men like Pat and Kevin Tillman. We salute you Pat Tillman! We will honor you by struggling for Truth and Justice, not by following like Roman Legion lemmings to the slaughter in wars for corporate Empire behind our stolen flag drenched in the blood of patriots betrayed!

[kustom28roadster]

bobjob25 well said mate

[vasyvic]

Thanks Kustom. I seem to be taking some flak for acknowledging that Tillman was intelligent and realized he'd been lied to. In other words, his patriotism was real, but not blind!

[bobjob25]

'Believed George Bush's lies'... He joined because he believed in the United Staes, not George Bush. Maybe read into it.

[vasyvic]

He joined the Army to fight the enemy stated after 9/11. But the wars were planned before 9/11, which served as the pretext. By his 1st Iraq tour he investigated. By his Afghan tour he was corresponding with war critic Noam Chomsky. Who knows if he would come to see 9/11 as a false flag inside job? What would he have done after combat?

[Vogelfrei777]

He didn't believed the lies of Bush. He called the Iraq war "fucking illegal".

[vasyvic]

The real questions: What Pat Tillman believed when?; Who he told when?; How "friendly" was the fire? Like most of us, Pat believed the lies of Bush on 9/11 & WMD back then. Changed his belief later.