Т-90 VS Абрамс ваще бред тема тк уничтожить танк с воздуха без потерь довольно легко когда на вооружение куча управляемый кассетных бомб и ракет (которые сами при падение выбирают куда поразить танк). В наземном реальном бою побеждает тот, кто первый обнаружил противника. Те тут и разведка и средства обнаружения танка и экипаж играет роль. По чести сказать наши Т-90 по бронированию 100% не на первом месте, тут да же гадать не надо тк его вес всего 46т.
@effeel93 Да проект Т-95 (Черный орел) закрыт. Но есть новый проект "Армата". Его обещют закончить к 2015 году. Надеюсь его не постигнет участь Т-95 и он все таки появиться. Да, еще слышал что в Н.Тагиле все еще работают над Т-95 без поддержки минобороны, самостоятельно. Правда это или нет не знаю. Но будем ждать Армату.
Yes T-90 has to be in guano or Abrams is going to destroy it.Hah hah russian technology is 20 years behind WEST and the soldiers ......................
t-90 have automatic turret reload and laser guided ammo so in real and hard time t-90 is better abrams its manual reload buy crew very bad in tank on 10 millions dollars !!!!
abrams have more armor but have crap maneuvrability
and in 2011 russian army was adopted t-90ms more armor more technology and computer and only 4.5 million dollars so fuck yankee !
IN 2011 RUSSIA WAS ADOPTED GAZ TIGR (KORNET-EM) GAZ WOLF berezhok turret in bmp-2m bmd-3 and BTR-90 ANTI-ship brahmos ystem SPM-3 MIG-35 PAF-FA in no long time MIG SKAT is my favorite looks at !!!!! NEW 2011 t-90ms and the best choice with soldier clother with new digital camo hemelts................... so shut up !
Тот,кто недооценивает мощь русского оружия и самоотверженность русского Народа, будет просто уничтожен. Раскатан в блин,аннигилирован по вашему. Удачи в ваших никчемных начинаниях....
Главный минус-его у нас нет. Существуют разработки, прототипы, которые по показателям значительно обходят западные аналоги. Однако после распада СССР потенциал нашей военной мощи сильно упал.
Россия страна умов!!!!!!!!! А америка страна жирядев=) то есть наша техника лучше и совершена и будет модорнезироваца с каждым годом так что идите нахуй=)
@174Natron лучше то она лучше только в войсках этой техники еденицы у нас ведь как? 30 лет отработала и еще 30 пропашет тот же т 72 например. А абромсов у амерекосов много чего не скажеш про наш случай с т 90. А т 72 абрамс превосходит.
Modeling of encounter attack of tank companies ( 10 tanks T-90 against 10 modern tanks M1A1 ) have shown that, beginning shooting by the tank guided missile with range of 5000m , Т-90 have time to destroy to range of 2000-2500 m to 50 — 60 % of tanks of the opponent.
Russian Т-95 destroys tanks in the distance 10 kilometres, 12 kilometres hammer together air aims in the distance, his high speed 110 км/час and he has 1700 horse at weight 45 tons !!!
"человек не посвященный" сразу подумал...американцы. Вы б послушали какую чушь они говорят. к примеру, они думают что юрий гагарин погиб когда вернулся на землю или что отряд альфа это сказка. и даже это видео доказывает что они полные придурки.
Т-90, Т-80 или украинский ОПЛОТ разгромят абрамса в пух и прах))
америкосы нубы делают танки тежелые и большие и потом еще говарят что они самые крутые! а грузие если помните до хе ихних танков вальнули а наших тока 2 и это значит что т 90 the best tank!
I suppourse you're not right, abrams and t 90 are alike. but T90 is not so heavy. Also T 90 is as mobile as ATV, you shouldn't argue here. Abrams can be destroyed by the first version of RPG 7 grenade. T 90 can survive under Abrams fire several times.
In open field with clear visibility up to 10km, T-90 has clear advantage thanks to 6-7km range of ATGM and lack of Hard-Kill system (like Trophy or Arena) on Abrams.
Simulation have shown that in 10 vs 10 situation in conditions like that about 6 Abrams would be destroyed before they reach a gunshot range (about 2.5-3km).
Of course this advantage would have any ATGM platform... even unarmored like pick-up track.
@Tiger66261 But in more common today urban warfare and more realistic situation I think Abrams has an edge. Because of satnav and digital battle network. Only in December of 2009 Russians started to receive T-90 with similar system, but NATO (US including) has much wider target designating means like other tanks, UAVs, infantry units etc... Russian armored forces are not yet in same level. Of course Abrams hasn't yet the ability to shoot ATGMs (Israeli "Lahat" is still under testing for use...
@Tiger66261 ... with Abrams), but anyhow knowing first where is your enemy is a huge tactical advantage. You can deside when, how and if you can engage your target.
Overall I think Leopard 2 and Merkava IV(if it stays in rocky theater of military operations like Middle East) are better than both of these machines.
За всю историю Абрамса в нем не погиб ни один человек. Был случай когда погибли солдаты рядом с Абрамсом когда в него стреляли. Никогда ещё Абрамс не был полностью уничтожен, были подбиты, конечно. Ни один русский танк не имеет такой репутации.
@wimpog97 Ты ещё скажи, что сам воевал на Абрамсе! Ты вот скажи, выдержал бы твой Абрамс 7-8 попаданий из РПГ. 2-3 попадания максимум и кердык ему! а наши Т-72 и Т80 в Чечне выдерживалии оставались на ходу.
According to Held's report, in 1991 only 14 Iraqi T-72 sustained any battle damage from all means. And all of them were taken out from sides and from rear.
First off, in the Gulf War, the Iraqi assembeled, russian tanks lacked the higher tech nvg tech, but they were still equipped with thermal finders etc.
But they lacked the range of the abrams [8000ft.], and im 100% sure there were more than 1 iraqi tank taken out man lol.
Arguably on the russians advantage, the iraqi crews had inferior training, however, you cannot dispute the fact the M1 Abrams is no piece of shit. It can rival any MBT with its armor, highly trained crew etc. Just saying.
The newest Iraqi tanks - 600 T-72 - were 15 years obsolete, besides being downgraded as they were. They had no thermal sights at all, and were armed with training ammo retired back in 1973 (!!!).
What could they possibly do against 5100 modern tanks of the Coalition and its 50 to 1 air superiority?
Anyway, according to M. Held, only 14 T-72 were accounted as ground combat kills. Most of the rest never seen any combat at all.
As it was proven many times in history success or failure of armored forces lies more often in training, supplies and tactical useage in battlefield, than pure technological advancement.
Despite even Abrams M1A1 was 100% better than any tank in Iraqi army, I would say that the major factor of great US Army success in Desert Storm was perfectly exectuted battle plan, the famous "left hook" by General Norman Schwarzkopf.
@JahUSMC1212 There is no doubt that US army would win anyway, but in head-to-head collision they would find more tough resistance and that would lead to more casulties and the assault would sure be longer than just a week.
Here is the lack of Russian army, which always fought and still does by sheer numbers.
Noone says that Abrams is a POS... at least no one intelligent enough and without pseudo-patriotic blinding feelings.
Actually this episode's intents are to dig out T-90 from a hole of ...
@JahUSMC1212 ... Western propaganda. To show by numbers and comparisions that it is also a countable opponent and is in TOP 5. Not to mention that this episode was on air in 2004. 6 years is a long time and nothing is static as every major players modernize their weapon systems.
What could be taking as a lesson from this video is that till Abrams got reactive armor, ATGM ammunition, soft- and hard-kill protection systems it cannot be considered as the best tank.
@JahUSMC1212 ... of T-90 was a lack of navigation system. Yes, it is a major drawback and is pointed out in this video. I was just wandering will Russians make their own navigation and digital combat network systems before Abrams will get everything it hadn't?
In December of 2009 new T-90A are equipped with such system. Except that in 6 years Shtora-1 was upgraded to Shtora-2. Reactive armor is upgraded to the newest Kontakt-5. Engine is upgraded to 1250HP.
@JahUSMC1212 ... armor? Under testing... Have Abrams received ATGMs? Yes, US have bought some Israeli Lahats to conduct testings and then create their own ATGM for 120mm smooth bore gun. But neither US one, neither Lahats are yet to be introduced in service.
Hard-kill protection system? Again US bought IronFist (aka Trophy) from Israel. And again it is still under testing...
And what is most impressive, that even without the above systems and abilities Abrams manages to be 3x more expensive.
i have no time to explain but..for example watch how he comparing things...its bad way to compare....he sometimes use singular event to say its normal thing like this accident in arabi saudic
and you dont saw that in this program is very often they say in climate;;;russian the best western worst....that kind of programs should be objective and this is NOT....i dont know its the best russian program about weapons?? i saw episodes of this and very often they try co compare everything to american stuff...thats make bad reputation of this program...they show US ore EU as enemy....sad
@BitnikGr rusophobic hahahahahha that showa youre polishphobic or all westernphobia...dont be silly...for you for polish people russia is nothing special and nobody thinking about russia...there is no reason ...but poland know russia very well and know russian mentality..for you greace people who know nothing about russians or western nations that same donk know russians ...tou and them ignorant thinking that saying trueth about russia is rusophobia OL LO LOL and learn history after 1990 to
@BitnikGr and you are dumb ignorant sorry ...my nationaliti have nothing to do..and nothing about my opinion about this movie is you dont see typical method of propaganda in this movie you are more dumb than I think ...ok soft propaganda but propaganda...see ya..
@BitnikGr and please DONT answer!!!!!!! ok see ya have a nice crisis in greace:) or go to work...i heare from many "nations" that greace people are most lazzzzzzy nation in europe ..its stereotic? or is true?
@knollik How can't I answer when you put two direct questions in your post?
Yes, it is a stereotype which is partly truth for every mediterranean nation. Greek, Italian, Spain, Tunisian.. you name it. Where is sun and sea, ppl are more relaxed and preffer to start working after having nice cup of coffee in the morning. :) I am not ...-phobic anything. I am not against Polish ppl... but this doesn't reject the fact that many of you are Russophobics.
@BitnikGr that was retoric questions and yes some are rusophobic but that is reason for that historical and novadays russian politics to middleeuropean countries
@BitnikGr@BitnikGr that was retoric questions and yes some are rusophobic but that is reason for that historical and novadays russian politics to middleeuropean countries
@BitnikGr that was retoric questions and yes some are rusophobic but that is reason for that historical and novadays russian politics to middleeuropean countries
@knollik There are 2 major problems with your comments.
1) Your English is not very good (but it is not critical).
2) but because of 1st reason your comments lack of constructive and argumented critisism. I am not against any comment which debates and tries to convient others that Abrams is better than T-90, or Leo is better than both of them etc. But to do this one need good enough knowledge of language and rich vocabulary.
This episode is already 6-years old and many things can change in...
As for 2004 producers of this video mentioned that 1)Abrams hasn't ERA 2) Abrams hasn't Hard-kill system 3)Abrams hasn't ATGM launch capability 4)Overall maneuverability of T-90 is much better (this is actually common knowledge). In every tender russian tanks are proved to have best mobility scores vs their wester oponents, but this feature by itself doesn't make them the best tanks of course.
@knollik ... russian army has 1)upgraded engine 2)upgraded soft-kill system 3) upgraded ERA (better than those of T-90S). 3)fully digitilized battle network system (and by this they neutrilized the last advantage that Abrams had in 2004)
What works have been done with Abrams?
ERA is still not installed. Israeli Hard-kill system "Trophy" is still under testing and not in mass production. Israeli ATGM "Lahat" is still under testing and not in mass production.
@knollik ... You are trying to transfer your opinion to viewers of this video. It is ok by me. But right now it sounds like "itsapropagandaitsapropagandaitsapropagandaitsapropagandaitsapropagandaitsapropaganda" and following the all time classic Youtube favorite insult "you stupid ingnorant..."
All these make your comments very poor and not informative at all.
Please, try to argue with constructive critisism and arguments. Then your comments will be apretiated much more by everyone!
The T-90 is honestly a good, heavy produced vehicle dont get me wrong. Ill admit a advantage when it is due.
But as we look back in conflicts such as the gulf war, the abrams had a superior advantage to all the russian armor used. Just because it uses a jet turbine engine [which is far superior to its counter parts] doesnt neccesarily mean it will have a larger heat signurture.
The M1 could out manever, detect first, and outgun its competetion plus theres close to 10,000...not bad for a MBT
americans can't use their tanks for long without needing to refuel their jet engines, with enormous heat signature and intake that draw sand and dirt into the blades.
a diesel engine on the other hand, like t-90 and leopard 2, can be used in many different areas of the armed forces, like marine etc. Are well known to be reliable in history, have a low fuel consumption, and is easy to change, can be mass produced for so much more then only tanks.
Лажа))
GoodRVader 1 week ago
Сосите амерекосы, может и у вас что-то лучше но точно не военная техника!!!
ze132Ro 2 weeks ago
Т-90 VS Абрамс ваще бред тема тк уничтожить танк с воздуха без потерь довольно легко когда на вооружение куча управляемый кассетных бомб и ракет (которые сами при падение выбирают куда поразить танк). В наземном реальном бою побеждает тот, кто первый обнаружил противника. Те тут и разведка и средства обнаружения танка и экипаж играет роль. По чести сказать наши Т-90 по бронированию 100% не на первом месте, тут да же гадать не надо тк его вес всего 46т.
Moscow3goist 3 weeks ago
Россия всегда опережала америку по вооружению, и так будет всегда . а т90 реально лучший.
lkanel1992 1 month ago 12
@lkanel1992 по танкам и БМП/БТР россия опережает США, но ударные вертолеты и истребители намного хуже
Xgibit 1 week ago
главное чтобы танкист был хороший а не танк
petruhnoigor 1 month ago 3
hmm its not a Google translate ...... but sucks anyway.
I don't really have any idea which one performs better in a battle. However, when not in battle T-90 wins, just because it sells better, haha
timmur3112 2 months ago
who i not new 2011 t-90ms 4rd generation tank
TATARSTAN59500 3 months ago
Говорят что у "Арматы" башня будет смещенна немного назад.
StlalkerMike 3 months ago
если че у нас у же во всю клепают танки нового поколения т - 95 (инфа для тех кто в танке)
theXapJIeu 4 months ago
@theXapJIeu если чё ты напиписал бред, проэкт т-95 давно закрыт
effeel93 4 months ago
@effeel93 Да проект Т-95 (Черный орел) закрыт. Но есть новый проект "Армата". Его обещют закончить к 2015 году. Надеюсь его не постигнет участь Т-95 и он все таки появиться. Да, еще слышал что в Н.Тагиле все еще работают над Т-95 без поддержки минобороны, самостоятельно. Правда это или нет не знаю. Но будем ждать Армату.
2112kolya 3 months ago
@2112kolya остаётся надеятся что "Армата" не окажется очередной модификацией Т-72
effeel93 3 months ago
@effeel93 говорят, что это будет совсем новый танк.
2112kolya 3 months ago
demaskina;There must be:"You are AN idiot,"Dopro hui&bolshoi pizda $
jorgos134 4 months ago
Yes T-90 has to be in guano or Abrams is going to destroy it.Hah hah russian technology is 20 years behind WEST and the soldiers ......................
jorgos134 4 months ago
@jorgos134 СОСНИ ХУЙЦА ПИДАР!!!
vanek34rybin 3 months ago
Интересно, раз Т-90 такой супер пупер танк, зачем тогда россия хочет закупить леопарды? Смешно чесное слово. Одни понты.
ariecbf109 4 months ago
@ariecbf109 а чего пару танков не прикупить?
zabryus 3 months ago
9 американским танкистам видео не понравилось!
Tyson4561 4 months ago 2
abrams guvno !!!
t-90 have automatic turret reload and laser guided ammo so in real and hard time t-90 is better abrams its manual reload buy crew very bad in tank on 10 millions dollars !!!!
abrams have more armor but have crap maneuvrability
and in 2011 russian army was adopted t-90ms more armor more technology and computer and only 4.5 million dollars so fuck yankee !
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
Tatarstan59500:AC/DC thunderstruck or Nashi:Putin is next to God?
jorgos134 4 months ago
DEMASkinas:dasvidania!.Hope see you in other pages or at Nevski Prospect.! This is all humour:Do NOT get mad.!
jorgos134 4 months ago
они щитают что танк устарел изза того что он дальний потомок Т-72
AtokaKartoka 5 months ago
JahUSMC1212, andreyRUS17 shit both of you are not the people! Russian steeper your fucking heavy tanks!
AtokaKartoka 5 months ago
Fucking wrong spelled comments on the Vid! Or my english so bad that I think it spelled wrong?
DEMASkinas 5 months ago
TATARSTAN59500 5 months ago
Was that Dimitri Ustinov,Levrinti Berija,Holy Moses or Jesus?
jorgos134 5 months ago
Pak fuck and T-95 are as reliable as former Soviet Union aschiewents!Harasoo!
jorgos134 5 months ago
@jorgos134 fuck you pak fa eating f-22 raptor same with j-20 in no long time ;D
TATARSTAN59500 5 months ago
@jorgos134 fuck you pak fa eating f-22 raptor same with j-20 in no long time ;D
TATARSTAN59500 5 months ago
@jorgos134
>"Harasoo!"
Idiot? Lol. Well joke, bro! You are idiot and there is nothing to say sth else
DEMASkinas 5 months ago
Америкосы не в обиду ну вы со своим провительстаом так и будете сидеть в заднице еще веков 15
Fulcss 5 months ago
Abrams M1A2 is superior as F-22 against Sukhoi/Mig Let them rest in peace
jorgos134 5 months ago
@jorgos134 pak fa is superior and t-95 in coming let them rest in peace
TATARSTAN59500 5 months ago
@jorgos134 and chinese army too with typ-99 and j-20 so rest in peace
TATARSTAN59500 5 months ago
Тот,кто недооценивает мощь русского оружия и самоотверженность русского Народа, будет просто уничтожен. Раскатан в блин,аннигилирован по вашему. Удачи в ваших никчемных начинаниях....
Kpuc83 5 months ago
по словам русских у них все охуенное)
AHILLESIO 5 months ago
@AHILLESIO Я так понимаю, ты не из россии.
Да, у нас лучшее по показателям вооружение.
Главный минус-его у нас нет. Существуют разработки, прототипы, которые по показателям значительно обходят западные аналоги. Однако после распада СССР потенциал нашей военной мощи сильно упал.
Lockythepilot 5 months ago
@Lockythepilot ну после разпада СССР все пошло в жопу(( увы была великая Держава .... а про вооружение и армию (слишком преувеличивают мощь)...
AHILLESIO 5 months ago
@Lockythepilot
Я бы сказал, что он почти умер, Сэр!
DEMASkinas 5 months ago
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AHILLESIO 5 months ago
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AHILLESIO 5 months ago
Абрамс - говно
npo6eJIB3aKoHe 6 months ago
Россия страна умов!!!!!!!!! А америка страна жирядев=) то есть наша техника лучше и совершена и будет модорнезироваца с каждым годом так что идите нахуй=)
174Natron 6 months ago
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7KENTEK 6 months ago
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7KENTEK 6 months ago
@174Natron лучше то она лучше только в войсках этой техники еденицы у нас ведь как? 30 лет отработала и еще 30 пропашет тот же т 72 например. А абромсов у амерекосов много чего не скажеш про наш случай с т 90. А т 72 абрамс превосходит.
slaviynin73 6 months ago
как можно сравнивать американскую хуйню с ТАКИМИ ТАНКАМИ как Т90?
lagoderator 6 months ago
T-90 is Better than Abrams
Legion123fishy 8 months ago 2
fake & gay
Authorsj 8 months ago
сравнили жопу с пальцем))))))
KapitanDjek 8 months ago
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Modeling of encounter attack of tank companies ( 10 tanks T-90 against 10 modern tanks M1A1 ) have shown that, beginning shooting by the tank guided missile with range of 5000m , Т-90 have time to destroy to range of 2000-2500 m to 50 — 60 % of tanks of the opponent.
Redbeastik 10 months ago
Russian Т-95 destroys tanks in the distance 10 kilometres, 12 kilometres hammer together air aims in the distance, his high speed 110 км/час and he has 1700 horse at weight 45 tons !!!
47ALTAIR47 11 months ago
watch?v=tFAuexHDNm8
rooosh1981 11 months ago
DEADLY&AWESOME TANKS..PLEASE COME TO MALAYSIA AGAIN WITH THE LATEST IMPROVEMENT & VARIANTS.. =D
darkavril87 1 year ago
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SuperVladeG 1 year ago
"человек не посвященный" сразу подумал...американцы. Вы б послушали какую чушь они говорят. к примеру, они думают что юрий гагарин погиб когда вернулся на землю или что отряд альфа это сказка. и даже это видео доказывает что они полные придурки.
Т-90, Т-80 или украинский ОПЛОТ разгромят абрамса в пух и прах))
MikeOrel1 1 year ago
америкосы нубы делают танки тежелые и большие и потом еще говарят что они самые крутые! а грузие если помните до хе ихних танков вальнули а наших тока 2 и это значит что т 90 the best tank!
997Vitaliy 1 year ago
T-90 рулеззззз
965Stalker 1 year ago
Abrams хороший танк...но T-90 он не конкурент.
Vegas61rus 1 year ago
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T-90 sucks whole Russian army and Russia sucks LOL
Exchange93 1 year ago
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Have you watched this program name?)))) It's called War Craft))))
Myzhuk1994 1 year ago
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I suppourse you're not right, abrams and t 90 are alike. but T90 is not so heavy. Also T 90 is as mobile as ATV, you shouldn't argue here. Abrams can be destroyed by the first version of RPG 7 grenade. T 90 can survive under Abrams fire several times.
Myzhuk1994 1 year ago
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Popkin222 1 year ago
pitiful video.
This is just as bad as the military programms shown on American TV - favouring one side, bashing the other.
Tiger66261 1 year ago
@Tiger66261 good comment...
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@BitnikGr Thanks for that.
Just out of pure curiosity, what would you think is better?
T-90 or M1a2?
Tiger66261 1 year ago
@Tiger66261 Depends on scenario of engagement...
In open field with clear visibility up to 10km, T-90 has clear advantage thanks to 6-7km range of ATGM and lack of Hard-Kill system (like Trophy or Arena) on Abrams.
Simulation have shown that in 10 vs 10 situation in conditions like that about 6 Abrams would be destroyed before they reach a gunshot range (about 2.5-3km).
Of course this advantage would have any ATGM platform... even unarmored like pick-up track.
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@Tiger66261 But in more common today urban warfare and more realistic situation I think Abrams has an edge. Because of satnav and digital battle network. Only in December of 2009 Russians started to receive T-90 with similar system, but NATO (US including) has much wider target designating means like other tanks, UAVs, infantry units etc... Russian armored forces are not yet in same level. Of course Abrams hasn't yet the ability to shoot ATGMs (Israeli "Lahat" is still under testing for use...
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@Tiger66261 ... with Abrams), but anyhow knowing first where is your enemy is a huge tactical advantage. You can deside when, how and if you can engage your target.
Overall I think Leopard 2 and Merkava IV(if it stays in rocky theater of military operations like Middle East) are better than both of these machines.
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@BitnikGr Cool :)
Tiger66261 1 year ago
Круче т-90 и т-80 ничего нет!
Anatolyevitch 1 year ago
За всю историю Абрамса в нем не погиб ни один человек. Был случай когда погибли солдаты рядом с Абрамсом когда в него стреляли. Никогда ещё Абрамс не был полностью уничтожен, были подбиты, конечно. Ни один русский танк не имеет такой репутации.
wimpog97 1 year ago
@wimpog97
А ты у нас, оказывается, дурачок.
PKSnsk 1 year ago
@wimpog97 Ты ещё скажи, что сам воевал на Абрамсе! Ты вот скажи, выдержал бы твой Абрамс 7-8 попаданий из РПГ. 2-3 попадания максимум и кердык ему! а наши Т-72 и Т80 в Чечне выдерживалии оставались на ходу.
wolkodaw2112 1 year ago 2
T90 - sucks
Abrams-Rullzzzzz
valdis975 1 year ago
It would seem they compare T 90 with the M1A1 Abrams series, and not the modern A2.
Whoever translated the video is a douche.
insinwetrust 1 year ago
what is this propaganda tv? do russians und americans still have to compare the size of their dicks?
iammaac1 2 years ago
Эх, субтитры плохо видно((
Воюйте пиндосы на своих корытах с мягкими сидениями, а мы вас сидя на железном треугольнике перемочим, если придётся ;)
Pashtet495 2 years ago 36
According to Held's report, in 1991 only 14 Iraqi T-72 sustained any battle damage from all means. And all of them were taken out from sides and from rear.
PKSnsk 2 years ago
@PKSnsk -I guess most of the armor were t-62's, etc. then.
JahUSMC1212 2 years ago
Held's report:
308 tanks Iraq lost overall (literally lost) - damaged, captured, abandoned;
78 of them sustained any combat damage (by all means):
T-55 - 65% - 51
T-62 - 17% - 13
T-72 - 18% - 14
Noteworthy, only ONE tank was frontally penetrated by DU sabot. With DU sabots expenditure around 20000 - wtf???
PKSnsk 2 years ago
First off, in the Gulf War, the Iraqi assembeled, russian tanks lacked the higher tech nvg tech, but they were still equipped with thermal finders etc.
But they lacked the range of the abrams [8000ft.], and im 100% sure there were more than 1 iraqi tank taken out man lol.
Arguably on the russians advantage, the iraqi crews had inferior training, however, you cannot dispute the fact the M1 Abrams is no piece of shit. It can rival any MBT with its armor, highly trained crew etc. Just saying.
JahUSMC1212 2 years ago
if Iraq had russian/soviet tanks it's not mean that those tanks has Russia.
we just wanted to get rid of rubbish.Iraq had tanks of 50's and 60's.and several unmodernized T-72 tanks.
i don't say that Abrams is shit.because it was tested by Russian's ally.T-90 and M1A2 had the same result
andreyRUS17 2 years ago 8
@andreyRUS17 -Yes, ill agree, but i still gotta say our abrams is the best...well one of em.
I think the leo2 and challenger are well designed but by no means would have any effect when they dont even have 1000 built.
Maybe thats why theyve had such a little damage report on the battlefield, how are the enemy suposse to damage them when theres barley fucken anY!
JahUSMC1212 2 years ago
@JahUSMC1212
The newest Iraqi tanks - 600 T-72 - were 15 years obsolete, besides being downgraded as they were. They had no thermal sights at all, and were armed with training ammo retired back in 1973 (!!!).
What could they possibly do against 5100 modern tanks of the Coalition and its 50 to 1 air superiority?
Anyway, according to M. Held, only 14 T-72 were accounted as ground combat kills. Most of the rest never seen any combat at all.
Gulf War results = pure exaggerated PR.
PKSnsk 1 year ago
@JahUSMC1212 Hi there!
As it was proven many times in history success or failure of armored forces lies more often in training, supplies and tactical useage in battlefield, than pure technological advancement.
Despite even Abrams M1A1 was 100% better than any tank in Iraqi army, I would say that the major factor of great US Army success in Desert Storm was perfectly exectuted battle plan, the famous "left hook" by General Norman Schwarzkopf.
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@JahUSMC1212 There is no doubt that US army would win anyway, but in head-to-head collision they would find more tough resistance and that would lead to more casulties and the assault would sure be longer than just a week.
Here is the lack of Russian army, which always fought and still does by sheer numbers.
Noone says that Abrams is a POS... at least no one intelligent enough and without pseudo-patriotic blinding feelings.
Actually this episode's intents are to dig out T-90 from a hole of ...
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@JahUSMC1212 ... Western propaganda. To show by numbers and comparisions that it is also a countable opponent and is in TOP 5. Not to mention that this episode was on air in 2004. 6 years is a long time and nothing is static as every major players modernize their weapon systems.
What could be taking as a lesson from this video is that till Abrams got reactive armor, ATGM ammunition, soft- and hard-kill protection systems it cannot be considered as the best tank.
The only serious disadvantage...
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@JahUSMC1212 ... of T-90 was a lack of navigation system. Yes, it is a major drawback and is pointed out in this video. I was just wandering will Russians make their own navigation and digital combat network systems before Abrams will get everything it hadn't?
In December of 2009 new T-90A are equipped with such system. Except that in 6 years Shtora-1 was upgraded to Shtora-2. Reactive armor is upgraded to the newest Kontakt-5. Engine is upgraded to 1250HP.
Have Abrams received reactive...
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@JahUSMC1212 ... armor? Under testing... Have Abrams received ATGMs? Yes, US have bought some Israeli Lahats to conduct testings and then create their own ATGM for 120mm smooth bore gun. But neither US one, neither Lahats are yet to be introduced in service.
Hard-kill protection system? Again US bought IronFist (aka Trophy) from Israel. And again it is still under testing...
And what is most impressive, that even without the above systems and abilities Abrams manages to be 3x more expensive.
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@JahUSMC1212 And who said that Abrams piece of shit?
7KENTEK 6 months ago
its very bad program! :/ 0% of objective
knollik 2 years ago
some stink propaganda use some information without contekst....very bad comparison...
knollik 2 years ago
Indians tasted this tank against Leo2,Abrams and Chellenger2.
andreyRUS17 2 years ago
how can they tasted at abrams...? why have abrams?
knollik 2 years ago
they have abrams?
knollik 2 years ago
indians had export version of t-90.the export version is worse than real
andreyRUS17 2 years ago
why do you think so?
andreyRUS17 2 years ago
i have no time to explain but..for example watch how he comparing things...its bad way to compare....he sometimes use singular event to say its normal thing like this accident in arabi saudic
knollik 2 years ago
and you dont saw that in this program is very often they say in climate;;;russian the best western worst....that kind of programs should be objective and this is NOT....i dont know its the best russian program about weapons?? i saw episodes of this and very often they try co compare everything to american stuff...thats make bad reputation of this program...they show US ore EU as enemy....sad
knollik 2 years ago
no,but they compare datas of each other.they have some information about Abrams in Iraq.
as i said later,that Indians compared Leo2,Chellenger2,T-90 and Abrams m1a2.
Challenger2 was loser.
T-90 and Abrams was on the second place,the winner was Leo2.
andreyRUS17 2 years ago
ok thanks
knollik 2 years ago
if you have some question about T-90 or another tanks,you can ask couteau86 user.you can found him in 'top 10 tanks in the world ' video
andreyRUS17 2 years ago
@andreyRUS17 -Yea, the leopard is a great tank, the problem is that the numbers suffer greatly.
If we look back to WWII, germany had superior tanks, but man, they had inferior numbers.
To have an effective MBT, you have to have a compensate between armor, and the tank as a whole, and the numbers produced.
A tiger was deadly, but could be outnumbered by american shermans and taken out.
Thats the Leapords flaw.
JahUSMC1212 2 years ago
Hahaha. Shermans tanks fight agains TIgers. Stupid americans)))))
likvi85 2 years ago
@likvi85 -Shermans did fight against tigers dumb fuck. And russia purchased shermans in great quanity.
American enegineering kicks the shit outta russias, go suck a dick on your daily schedule.
JahUSMC1212 2 years ago
@JahUSMC1212- O my God. I can't believe that, so stupid man like you can use a computer. It's like a monkeys who can write)).
likvi85 2 years ago
@knollik the only one who is not objective here is you.
But of course a Polish russophobic cannot be objective.
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@BitnikGr rusophobic hahahahahha that showa youre polishphobic or all westernphobia...dont be silly...for you for polish people russia is nothing special and nobody thinking about russia...there is no reason ...but poland know russia very well and know russian mentality..for you greace people who know nothing about russians or western nations that same donk know russians ...tou and them ignorant thinking that saying trueth about russia is rusophobia OL LO LOL and learn history after 1990 to
knollik 1 year ago
@BitnikGr and you are dumb ignorant sorry ...my nationaliti have nothing to do..and nothing about my opinion about this movie is you dont see typical method of propaganda in this movie you are more dumb than I think ...ok soft propaganda but propaganda...see ya..
knollik 1 year ago
@BitnikGr and please DONT answer!!!!!!! ok see ya have a nice crisis in greace:) or go to work...i heare from many "nations" that greace people are most lazzzzzzy nation in europe ..its stereotic? or is true?
knollik 1 year ago
@knollik How can't I answer when you put two direct questions in your post?
Yes, it is a stereotype which is partly truth for every mediterranean nation. Greek, Italian, Spain, Tunisian.. you name it. Where is sun and sea, ppl are more relaxed and preffer to start working after having nice cup of coffee in the morning. :) I am not ...-phobic anything. I am not against Polish ppl... but this doesn't reject the fact that many of you are Russophobics.
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@BitnikGr that was retoric question...and yes some are rusophobic but there is reason for this!!!!
knollik 1 year ago
@BitnikGr that was retoric questions and yes some are rusophobic but that is reason for that historical and novadays russian politics to middleeuropean countries
knollik 1 year ago
@BitnikGr @BitnikGr that was retoric questions and yes some are rusophobic but that is reason for that historical and novadays russian politics to middleeuropean countries
knollik 1 year ago
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@BitnikGr that was retoric questions and yes some are rusophobic but that is reason for that historical and novadays russian politics to middleeuropean countries
knollik 1 year ago
@knollik There are 2 major problems with your comments.
1) Your English is not very good (but it is not critical).
2) but because of 1st reason your comments lack of constructive and argumented critisism. I am not against any comment which debates and tries to convient others that Abrams is better than T-90, or Leo is better than both of them etc. But to do this one need good enough knowledge of language and rich vocabulary.
This episode is already 6-years old and many things can change in...
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@knollik ... that period of time.
As for 2004 producers of this video mentioned that 1)Abrams hasn't ERA 2) Abrams hasn't Hard-kill system 3)Abrams hasn't ATGM launch capability 4)Overall maneuverability of T-90 is much better (this is actually common knowledge). In every tender russian tanks are proved to have best mobility scores vs their wester oponents, but this feature by itself doesn't make them the best tanks of course.
What we have in 2010, 6 years later?
T-90A entering in service to...
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@knollik ... russian army has 1)upgraded engine 2)upgraded soft-kill system 3) upgraded ERA (better than those of T-90S). 3)fully digitilized battle network system (and by this they neutrilized the last advantage that Abrams had in 2004)
What works have been done with Abrams?
ERA is still not installed. Israeli Hard-kill system "Trophy" is still under testing and not in mass production. Israeli ATGM "Lahat" is still under testing and not in mass production.
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@knollik ... You are trying to transfer your opinion to viewers of this video. It is ok by me. But right now it sounds like "itsapropagandaitsapropagandaitsapropagandaitsapropagandaitsapropagandaitsapropaganda" and following the all time classic Youtube favorite insult "you stupid ingnorant..."
All these make your comments very poor and not informative at all.
Please, try to argue with constructive critisism and arguments. Then your comments will be apretiated much more by everyone!
Thank you!
BitnikGr 1 year ago
And let's war begin, as in CoD 4.2 then we will look whose tank better.))))
nik86rnd 2 years ago
Also what for the confidential reservation? Hamburgers under iron?:DDDD
MrBestdragon1 2 years ago
The T-90 is honestly a good, heavy produced vehicle dont get me wrong. Ill admit a advantage when it is due.
But as we look back in conflicts such as the gulf war, the abrams had a superior advantage to all the russian armor used. Just because it uses a jet turbine engine [which is far superior to its counter parts] doesnt neccesarily mean it will have a larger heat signurture.
The M1 could out manever, detect first, and outgun its competetion plus theres close to 10,000...not bad for a MBT
JahUSMC1212 2 years ago
Only ONE Iraqi tank was killed in 1991 Gulf War by Abrams' DU sabot up front according to the CMS report.
Total Iraqi combat tank losses were:
51 T-55 (1958)
13 T-62 (1961)
14 T-72 (1979, downgraded version)
Numbers include those destroyed by their crews. Looking back is good, looking back intently is better.
PKSnsk 2 years ago
I don't know what this show is talking about. The armor for the Abram isn't even released. It's top secret. And they damn sure wouldn't tell Russia.
OleYanks 2 years ago
Of course it's a secret that DU armour and ammo gives cancer, leukemia and severe intoxication causing internal organ failures to the tank's crew.
PKSnsk 2 years ago
Engine not main advantage t-90
ete0 2 years ago
americans can't use their tanks for long without needing to refuel their jet engines, with enormous heat signature and intake that draw sand and dirt into the blades.
a diesel engine on the other hand, like t-90 and leopard 2, can be used in many different areas of the armed forces, like marine etc. Are well known to be reliable in history, have a low fuel consumption, and is easy to change, can be mass produced for so much more then only tanks.
clarkcolt45 2 years ago 12