By the way, bliss isn't happiness: colourfulness is bliss, but it's very sad, it's a false happiness. O teach me to fix myself, the great and self-composed Schopenhauer! You are my kind of man!
Life with no details, blissful silly person! If Schopenhauer is that serious, then I add that I'm guilty of interacting. It's only unburdensome if you mean to the extreme. Extreme sincerity. I see negativity as just an illusion, it doesn't exist, I made it up.
Now I'm enlightened. It was deathlike as an epicurean, and still as a Schopenhauerian. I had no idea that Schopenhauer is stamping his meaning. So true, I have no tasks, and I already enjoyed boredom. I will banish what I won, call me loving to be brainwashed!
It's the upsetness with rain that's a bad joke, harsh speech for anti-subjective 'truth' is a bad joke. Does anyone at least wake up and realise you can create your own reality? And my reality is not your reality, reality varies with every person and negative consequences are bound to occur if you have different opinions. Concerning existence, if I stopped doing things I'd be glad. So I'm stealing Schopenhauer, not always busy again. No goals, my life isn't over, I don't care if I live or die.
allot of his views came from eastern traditions like Buddhism saying that suffering was brought about by desire and that we create reason to sort of embellish our desires
Arthur must have suffered immensely in this world of utmost ignorance. Its a such a lonely place to live where majority consist of average, boring people who all they need for their happiness is to get married and reproduce or be constantly in 'love' (sorry to abuse this word).God, I rather be alone than bored with someone. Its so hard to find soul that understands thus it is a true blessing to have at least a glimpse of understanding from other rare human being in this world full of vanity.
Arthur was much more than a representative of pessimism and gloom. If a little intelligence invites a little sorrow,..just imagine his struggle. He knew how to face the emptiness - he was 72 when he died. He was a fighter,and one of the greatest intellects the world has ever seen - a true master,..and,of course,unappreciated by the huddled masses. He told us that the intellect must be developed to the point of dominance over the 'will' - it being the source of most of our suffering.
Time is also what makes life possible. It sounds like he saw the glass as half full. The way I look at it is if its possible to come into existence as an entity once, it can happen again and again given an eternit no matter how unlikely the probability. Long periods of non-existence between brief periods of existence would go un-perceived, so the frightening reality is that we might never really die while never staying the same.
@JNathanK2011 Friedrich Nietzsche proposed that idea and called it the "Eternal Recurrence" theory. Modern physics has proven this to be wrong and Friedrich never literally believed it himself. He just used the situation as a thought experiment.
"animals are not a fabrication for our use, one owes the not pity,but justice" a graet vegetarian of his time and would turn over in his grave if he seen the factory farm death houses of today.
@Minkki82 i've wondered the same thing, but, must one's life have meaning in order for one to continue living it? i'd say the majority of people living, aside from the religious, have not grasped the meaning of life and yet they choose to remain living. i think one can understand that life has no meaning yet not choose suicide. one can choose to live, in spite of the absurdity of life. one might embrace the absurdity, embrace the indifferent universe, the coming of death, as Camus said
@Chemgirl99 You have to understanding that the comic absurdity of existence does not provide nearly enough sustenance for some people to exist. I actually do believe that if there is nothing of value, then suicide becomes the rational course of action for people who discover that truth. If nothing is worth dying for, then why not die? I'm not suicidal because I realize that there just might be value. Philosophy is my major and I want to continue to explore these difficult questions.
I do recall reading this existential material of Schopenhauer, then I fuckin needed to read some absurdist POV! Arthur Schopenhauer deconstructed and analyzed the reality of my being, therefore i needed to recover and reconstruct into optimizing myself(in ethics of course).lol
Of course those people on here criticising Schopenhauer for what he is saying here have to bear in mind it forms part of the broader over-riding aim of his philosophical outlook. The whole of nature from the tiniest seed to the grandest of kings is beset and faced with this vanity. The only thing is that the seed is fortunate enough not to be aware of the fact. As everything is caught up in this, compassion and fellow feeling towards all living beings is the only valid path.
@m3anmik3y What? Where did I say I was smarter than Schopy? And regardless of that, does someone being smart mean they cant be wrong? Anyways you didnt even asses my point, you only attacked me on a personal level.
@Minkki82 He even describes it in his actual essay, you seriously need people to spell stuff out for you, it's not your fault though, that's just your society. Tip: Look at the hill analogy.
@m3anmik3y Well you're sort of a condescending douche, but it's not your fault though. IMO someone supposedly thinking life has no meaning yet still actively doing things to keep themselves alive is being dishonest. To me it implies that they are keeping themselves alive for some reason. But whatever, me and Schopenhauer may disagree then, try to get over it. I dont feel the need to bow down to a hotshot philosopher just because someone says I should.
@Minkki82 Ok let me ask you this, what would he accomplish by dying? What would he accomplish by living?
Nothing amounts to anything in the end, but you do more when you live, why not play it out? Unless living was so painful that you could not endure it, there really is no point in killing yourself,you'll die soon enough. Just because he can objectively determine that life has no meaning does not even mean he can actually overcome his basic instinct to live. The world isn't black and white
@theantigaia Why'd he keep eating and drinking ect. ? He had to actively keep doing things to keep himself alive. If life had no meaning, and he truly believed that, he wouldn't have seen any particular point in keeping himself alive.
@Minkki82 May I recommend you read or listen his essay on suicide!! I personally think he didnt have the courage to take his own life. That, however, doesnt mean he didnt believe in his own theories or that he was wrong!
is it possible to combine a schopenhauerian outlook with a will towards or commitment to - being productive and industrial, seeking to make the most of what the world has to offer through pursuing material prosperity and dedicating oneself to what we moderns would call a 'career.'
he might be the greatest existentialist philosopher i've ever read. he seems to have deduced many of darwin's conclusions without the scientific data- just through reason. this philosophy would be more depressing it if wasn't for darwin's explanation of human behavior.
He suffers the most that allows his mind to nurture grandoise ideas. Ideas and future platues that he thinks if attained will make him happier than he is at the moment.
Now is you, now is you twenty years from now, and now was you twenty years ago. Learn to live and love and revel in the now for everything else is unsure and precarious.
Is he stating in short that life, both the past, the present, and the future is futile and amounts to nought? He is correct about one thing however; the now is really alll you have, and the individual that has the means to support and bolster his vagrancies and recreations for the moment is the rich and happy man, seeing as how the other times, both past and the present, are insignificant and vacuous.
So he's talking around 9:40-50 about how we take no positive thing from life - existence is not enough for us. but is this not our humanly mistake? this isnt a feature of reality, this is a state of man which must be overcome. through psychedelics, through philosophy, through meditation. through whatever means. the universe, the Will, seems to starve for this intelligent movement. is not so blind and stupid as Arthur supposed, I believe.
Yeh i like 'catgumans' quote, realistic people calm me down and i enjoy listening to them, overly optimistic people make me nervous and i bore of them quickly....Jungs words on extraverts and introverts is enlightning. His theory on this came about when he used to have meeting with Freud and Adler once of Month in an old theatre in Viena, he noticed that Freud and Adler argued alot. He noticed that Freud based his arguments on effects from the outer World and Adler based is arguments innerworld
Imagine a parallel universe were William Shakespeare was known but completely ignored and Marlow and Pope and Dryden say, were taught in universities but Shakespeare was completely uncared for. Poor William Shakespeare is gathering dust on some oblivious bookshelves in the vacuous void of Leeds Central Library. This is schopenhauers fate. Pitty the fooled idiots who ignore the master of philosophical gymnastics!
At least two songs come to mind that almost had to be influenced by this piece of work right here. "The Will of Death" by John Frusciante, for sure, and possibly "Lord of This World" by Black Sabbath.
I am so glad that I'm german and can read his fantastic works in it's original language! If I wasn't one I probably learn the language just to dive in into his thoughts :) The most brilliant mind the world ever saw and he reflects just what I think.
I think that the 3rd law of motion apllies perfectly to our expanding knowledge. it leads us away from us... God like narcissus is awestruck by his image, his fantawstic creation, loses himself in it and eventually he is undone only to pop up somewhere else and start all over ..
If death -as it seems- is the purpose of life, we must place those insects that sleep in safety till they are ready to come out aND GET THE CYCLE OVER IN ONE ball party day, are at the summit of the evolution cycle, man take so long to die and so I'd say that being fast an restless kind , he takes even longer than a sequoia to conclude the cycle and so he has the longest way to go to decency never mind excellence.
This particular video I found to be especially enlightening ! There Is no doubt that humanity , our present society , at thls stage of our evolution can perceive this rendition as a coups de gras ! Rah Rah ! good for us ! I think this video Is great ! Although I have seen many other video's of this human being attesting to his sickness ! Just because an Individual Is a Pervert , Does not mean they can't be brilliant !
wow the part about living in the present while suffering and looking back to the past and seeing that you miss it. I thought of that a few days ago. Arthur Schopenhauer is amazing!!!!!! :D
What a natzy !!! The old codger has as many Issues as anyone else !! It seems that not only did he start the natsy revolution , the S.O.B. has Infiltrated , and caused many silly humans to " Think " " Prejudiced Thoughts " !!! It's overwhelming , to me , That scholars and thinkers , of the world , would reference this FELLOW for anything but " HOW , NOT TO PERCEIVE EXISTENCE ! ......... You can tell , right from the get go , the guy's a lonely ,. decrepit , Bigot !!!!
@heresbigmike : If it's any comfort, you're not the first person to insult Schopenhauer.. But i advise you to think before you talk, or even better, don't talk at all. You're a waste of words - and compared to Schopenhauer: you're nothing but a monkey, thinking itself to be a man, because at least some of your distant ancestors might've been.
whoever read just a little bit of philosophy and have a clear mind must admit Schopenhauer is one of the greatest philosophers ever lived, In my opinion the greatest ever. this judgement comes from his unparallable prose, insights and the most for his following only the truth. it does not matter how it looks, seems or should be, the only consolation for human being in every life situation is that he possess truth in his hands whatever form it takes. it is really the only solid substance
One of the most imjportant phylosopher which explains pessimism and nihiilism in a very beautiful way, using valid and solid argumentation. He is actually my favorite. Hope someday I'll be able to read everything he wrote and about his work!
Life is leela play. It is not for achieving something out of. Play well, be like a child. Failure is not a failure if it is a play. For Napoleon, Alexander...even victory is defeat. You are victorious, yet what has been achieved? Nothing. You longed for this victory, for this goal, and now you have reached it...now what? You simply feel your whole life is lost. Life has no goals, not really. It is a purposeless play, a pageant.
It's all very well saying, 'balls!' Any fool can say that! But unless you say why you disagree with me, it is of no interest to anyone. Its just clogging up communication channels. Say WHY you disagree. I'll put up with the rudeness (many wouldn't) if you just give me the opportunity of replying.
Well yes, Nietzsche was life-affirming, the complete opposite of Schopenhauer, who was into renunciation. Thx, I'll look for the vid about Nietzsche and hardship.
This essay is the reason that childish imposters, the majority of mankind, will never accept Schopenhauer for what he was: A man who wanted to tell the truth.
i was going to share this on facebook, but then i realize ¿why should i? ¿who cares? i might be dead tomorrow or even later today ¿so why take the trouble? it will be as if i never actually existed ¿do i really exist? ¿am i just a fragment of someone else's imagination? ¿am i not but an atom sized particle floating in the vastness of space? ¿do anyone care about me? i wich i was dead. i wish i was never born. god if u exist please kill me and then it will be as if i never existed at all
wow, that's an incredible reply, you have change my perpective about life, death and the existance of God, please reply something elese so u can continue to enlight me and therest of people here. thanks again.
And the illusion you are making, of being is what actually makes your suffering.You cannot make an absurd kind of question, like: What am I? or: Why do I exist?
Sure, in some aspect you do not exist, at all. But from your point, you are, and you simply exist. And the funny thing is that you cannot view your existence from an non existing point of view. Surely, it wasn't your act of free will, to post this on facebook, but neither was your coming introspection.
but if i do not exist that means that i never wrote the comment or posted it and therefore you are not replying to that comment since you dont exist neither. you ar but a fragment of the imagination of a non existent person that lives only in some kind of absurd pointless realm, probabbly while being imagined by some other mind without realizing the lie his existance is...until now. but now that i know my non existance ¿do i exist?
if you think that you exist as you perceive yourself, than you do not exist at all. But, if you do not perceive yourself at all, than you do exist, but it leaves you to not existing as an individual which is necessary for recognizing existence. LOL
As for the authenticness of existing:
"All truly wise thoughts have been thought already thousands of times; but to make them truly ours, we must think them over again honestly, till they take root in our personal experience." - Johann von Goethe
And also - Schopenhauer destroys life only if you accept his premise. About half the canonised western philosophers from Descartes and on will tell you why you don't need to do this - nevertheless, Schopenhauer RULES
Man, traditionally, has been perpetually obsessed with the illusory significance of his own existence and the even greater delusion of the significance of his actions, in an infinitely temporal and infinitely spacial universe. On this pale blue dot called earth, would the universe notice is we disappeared?
However, it pleases a man to take charge of his garden, fill it with living things and play with them. Or so it seems.
Hermann Hesse is not a philosopher, and he doesn't write philosophy. Schopenhauer otoh was and did. You people (Germanicus79 and carusggg) are confusing philosophy with pseudophilosophy.
I love Schopenhauer...people who realistically acknowledge the disappointment and suffering in life make me happy, People who force an overly optimistic viewpoint seem either naive or dishonest or maybe they have good luck, but life is so problematic and difficult and when people can admit this, it, for me makes life better...because we can relate and show mercy to each other for failings and value the real things that are good even if they are fleeting.......
I agree that it is worth reflecting on reality now and again, but I don't see any value in getting bogged down in the fact rather than trying to see things in a positive light and moving on.
It is an interesting debate of positivism vs negativism and I doubt we could ever see eye to eye, but it is disappointing that you are so dismissive of the other side - people who choose to live their lives with a smile on their face with an intent to improve the world rather than wallow in its problems.
A negative person can take a negative situation and find value in it. I don't like blind optimism nor do I condone wallowing in negativity.I think some people aren't negative are stigmatized as negative for not adopting and constantly maintaining an "optimistic" demeanor etc.I don't like those who get pleasure from sinking to the depths,I have compassion for people who can't free themselves from the muck. I don't think optimism should be used as a weapon to hold power over someone
Schopenhauer appeals to people who desperately want to bend reality to their emotions. Your life is filled with bitter disappointment? Look not to self-improvement because your character at any given time projects the stage for the rest of your life. So why bother right?
I vehemently disagree with this sort of philosophy for it denies the implications of free will on one's self; effectively comforting to subscribers of this philosophy to resign to their fates. A soft form of determinism.
I wouldn't say it was deterministic-because no thing is determined or set in stone or predicted totally-but certain reoccurring patterns- that can be difficult or require a type of realistic bravery to observe are validated---when optimistic people think anything is possible--they forget the part of "anything" that maybe negative...
I think many people prepare themselves, & battle their own doubts/worries in their life by getting their mind set in the most positive state by editing out anything in life experience that is hard to accept or admit--this interferes with their goal to achieve happiness-but neglecting or fearing truths is no good for to deny them becomes a type of dishonesty or ignorance---Self improvement is good but the problem may not be the fault of the individual but may stem from many sources.
I believe it is right & compassionate to understand people who have had bad luck, difficulties or face limitations that effect their quality of life in whatever way. All people are different & I think it arrogant & simple to assume that everyone can be successful in this life,on this world if only they'd do it the right way--whatever that is--and that nothing is holding them back, except their bad attitude--I don't believe in resignation- but their are different things to consider.
@catgumart Deductive reasoning requires a fierce negativity,slicing through the lies of life, to get to the existential nectar, read the corruption of reality by john f shcumaker, the greater the dellusion one lives under, the happier they are, primary reality is negative, because there is nothing attractive the the subconscious to be found in those depths, cultural reality however has all the escapes and fantastical illusions, realize its an illusion, and keep one foot in primary truth.
@alliant Since you ask I'm all for all ways of ennobling, enriching life to transcend problems maybe by trying to focus on the positive-- but I don't believe in totally ignoring or denying the stuff that is uncomfortable or unpleasant many times I think we must acknowledge or confront bad things to find a solution-or diminish the negative effects to better cope with them- I don't think its good to demand nothing but cheer & smiles this is oppressive I also don't believe in constant graveness
I'm sorry I'm not sure what part of my comment that you don't understand, if you could be more specific I could try to answer your question--I thought what I said is pretty understandable and straight forward-- You ask "What does any of that even mean?" and it sounds to me like I may as well have typed " flar tilib funger dermong yor"
@catgumart That's stupid... Realistically acknowledge the disappointment and suffering in life? What is there in this world that makes you suffer? Oh, I know the answer... You're greedy and jealous just like the rest of humanity. I can't find a single reason why I should suffer in life, that's because I'm intelligent enough to ignore it since it has no use at all.
@K4inan I only need to say the word evolution, for that alone should be enough to see how all of life rests upon a blood soaked pedestal of conflict in which nature the cruel and heartless thing that it is colors our minds to see. Life was never meant to be anything at all, least of all fair. I speak not of my own life but the multitude which have..animal alike. Need and want in of themselves causes suffering because a person is forced to strive for them...we can never just be.
@catgumart Hi, you should check out the YouTube user called inmendham. He's like the Schopenhauer of YouTube; he's a proponent for antinatalism, he's in favor of euthanasia and he's an animal rights advocate. You should check him out, I think you're gonna like him.
wel i think u have quite right, but we have to seperate two things spirit and soul.
I think consiounce is more the sum of our sentiments of emotions, and we mix those two very often.
Personaly i have a lot of problems with: soul, spirit, feelings, and what is what, i cant give a clear answer to that yet. But when i read about it i see the soul as the inner self, more intuitive, and the rest is on the surface, so its more the domain of the mind/spirit. hard topic.
Yes , what we feel is very important but just when his sources are not from our mind , who need pleasure. But when does not the mind need pleasure ? Who felled something for anything in this world who didn't give them anything ? This is one of the most hard paradoxes of our world. And it is a paradox because we think we know truths that are just because they give us pleasure and we know to think in what is spirit by this truths .
Yes , what we feel is very important but just when his sources are not from our mind , who need pleasure. But when does not the mind need pleasure ? Who felled something for anything in this world who didn't give them anything ? This is one of the most hard paradoxes of our world. And it is a paradox because we think we know truths that are just because they give us pleasure and we know to think in what is spirit by this truths .
nice ! that last one, all religion indeed is egocentric, Nietzsche also said it.!!! Its better to go trough ur pain then running from it, cause u keep running from everything. And to sit at home in a couch with a book reading about hannibals battle's is way different then leading those army's, and we always have to keep that reality in mind. I think ur right they accept lies cause they refuse to accept the pain, very on the top ! good job !.
Yes , but Nietzsche said it because he didin't thinked that probably there really is something as real as universal love. And we force to have them wich is not right. The real way by wich we can understand the world is the way of the spirit , the natural way! Without forcing... without self deceit and running from the pain or running for pleasure. To do just what you feel you have to do...
i think u know what ur talking about, finaly someone who went trough those fases. I always encounter people who only know one philosopher and cling on it, but never actually try, and compare and live it existentialy, people like u, they are a dying breed. our philosophers are now MTV, MC Donald, Coca Cola, Sit.coms etc etc. While living, is what happens between ur ears... cogito ergo sum ! If the youth of europe and the U.S. again discovered those truths, it would be beautifull !
Yes , probably our single escape is culture. Just culture show how the variety of mans interpret life, how complex it is and how united is the spirit of the man . It is in the culture where the understanding stay. But now the so called New Age came in and he destroy all the real profound way of view. It make them to appear superficial and idiotic , this is one reason for wich I studied philosophy , to understand why I don't like it. I saw the idiotic excuses of them and all religions as well.
so every desire is becoming a danger for schopenhauer, cause it gives a little time of hapiness but it leaves u unfulfilled behind. The one desire followed by the next, and so on. he says u have to cut of desire, like the ascets,monks etc, but they are fleeing live u cannot lay down what u DONT KNOW . people confined themselfs in monastary's while young while they dont even know life to the fullest. trough pain and suffering ur soul will be puriefied.
The soul that is purified doesn't really exists. What you call "soul" is just a sum of sentiments and emotion that came alive from our desire for pleasure. So if the real soul is there that soul doesn't want pleasure or suffering at the base of his emotions. Therefore trought pain your ignorance to the sufering became clear and so the "soul" is "purified" but... this purified soul is just a non-ignorant one. The real soul need to be in conection with spirit , to transcend this will for pelasure
wel u have to understand schopenhauers time, schopenhauer was inspired by Kant, that time was a tikme of personality, and Schopenhauer really believed that if he doesnt exist, the world also doesnt exist. but be aware: not in the interpretation, litteraly it isnt there anymore ! So if i die, are you gone ? Schopenhauer took it to the next level, kant only talked about interpretation of onceself, but he closed the whole world in the person itself. with the wil as its etarnal energy
I don't think that is something of the times when schop lived. I see this everyday , if God would be bad we would say that He is good anymore ? Would exists this concept of "good" ? Just because we are scared we don't have to say that God is good or bad , or "God is with us". What do we know about He , if He really exist ?
All we do is just for pleasure , satisfaction and life. This is what we call now spirirtuality , this times show very well the superficiality of illusions.
no he wasnt right, he was a good philosopher, but nietzsche proofed him wrong, its better to embrasse life and not to become an subject that only knows, and dont feel anything anymore, he became a cranky old man, who even broke a womans arm when trow her out of the door, he wasnt a pleasant man, and his teachings are basicly the indian lore in western terms. with the wil as desire Principium indivuationis, as the vail of maya and so on, nietzsche is the only remaining Ph of importance
read Hermann Hesse's Siddharta, Narziss und Goldmund, and unterm rad. He says practicly, if everything is an illusion and life means living in it, im also an illusion, and every illusion is a brother like me, and as REAL AS ME, i have no notion of it, and live living to the fullest, you need to live, to feel the counterpole of pain, love etc you have to feel pain first 2 recognize the counterpole to the fullest.. you have to feel this, not read it . i also revered Schopenhauer, not anymore
I concluded some of what Schopenhauer said by myself. Even if you live or not this doesn't have a real importance by knowing that I live in a an illusion maded by me. To say that is as real as you is another illusion , that is accepted just because is comfortable. To live is the acceptance of this illusions. We believe that this is an ilussion because we don't understand what we want. We know we want to feel good (and therefore this can't be an ilusion) and we don't want pain.
However because pain and pleasure are opposites what is and what is not an illusion is just a question of perspective. Just when the wisdom will change the man on his deep insight then.. or it will be a great lie of his soul or it will be the great truth. The entirely sprirituality is egocentric therefore is not real spirirtuality The mans lie and accept ilussion because they refuse pain. Why should we love our chains even if they are "good" ?
and too crx35e man was not meant to deal in absolutes,it is a display or ignorance towards change, and yes i know i contradict myself...thats the point
he was right...but socrates was aswel "i must surely be the smartest man for i know that i know nothing" the will to except this quote should be a serious concern for people, ther is no infinate just continual change brought about by the change that perceeded it, our ability to change the past lies in the now..i think he just had problems dealing with that, cause once u do u just go with the flow, and if ther was one anser for life it would nullify our exsistence completly,so why hunt it??????
the only way truth can be known is through feeling not with words buddha said something of that kind maybe in different words, i like that idea that there is MORE in feeling.
I suppose this is even present as an undercarried assumption in the sensualism of Camus: "I will enjoy the experiences which life affords me, even though I must surely die". It is the conclusion which his humanity and yearnings force him to accept, against the cleaner (yet bleaker) conclusion of the other side of the argument in the Myth of Sisyphus.
Clearly very few people accept the statement that that which ceases to exist is non-existent in the *same* way as that which has never existed, or has not yet come into being. For most people, their non-acceptance of this subverts Schopenhauer's pessimism: "No" they say, "For experience is self-justifying, and even if one's existence may one day cease, it will yet have been, and this makes it a worthwhile pursuit". We must decide whether to accept this: most of us have already decided.
No one cares today whether someone was rich or poor who lived in 1720. You can pretend that your life matters but ultimately to the people who live tomorrow your existence is of no concern to them.
Yes, your existence is not necessarily of interest to those who live tomorrow. However, it may be of interest to them. This is the case with Australopithecus Africanus, Piltdown man, Cleopatra, Charles the Bald and Iris Murdoch. Do you disagree?
I offered a different point, however.Experience occurs and, even if it subsequently ceases, this does not offer a necessary grounds for pessimism.
This may be why many of those who do not believe in life after death do not commit suicide.
Present moment always vanishing, well that's why man create drawing, writing and photography, video.. to preserve a reference to a certain moment always vanishing.
start at 9:30.. "delight in mere existance" can be attained,ask the Dalai Lama.I experience delight quite often through just being quiet and observing myself ,through meditation or simply appreciating my surroundings.without struggle and without boredom. just appreciate the moment.anyone care to share their experiences on this?
remember it all originated in india where the first university was(nalanda).dalai lama agrees the indian origin of buddhism and the place-nalanda.matta fact jesus came to india in his 18 years of life unaccounted for in the bible to acquire his knowledgeand wisdom too. indians are the fathers of all knowledge .i mean everything from science medicine..
modern technology is a whole different argument which anyway is an unsustainable way of life in west.
By the way, bliss isn't happiness: colourfulness is bliss, but it's very sad, it's a false happiness. O teach me to fix myself, the great and self-composed Schopenhauer! You are my kind of man!
Hoobifta 2 days ago
Life with no details, blissful silly person! If Schopenhauer is that serious, then I add that I'm guilty of interacting. It's only unburdensome if you mean to the extreme. Extreme sincerity. I see negativity as just an illusion, it doesn't exist, I made it up.
Hoobifta 2 days ago
Now I'm enlightened. It was deathlike as an epicurean, and still as a Schopenhauerian. I had no idea that Schopenhauer is stamping his meaning. So true, I have no tasks, and I already enjoyed boredom. I will banish what I won, call me loving to be brainwashed!
Hoobifta 2 days ago
It's the upsetness with rain that's a bad joke, harsh speech for anti-subjective 'truth' is a bad joke. Does anyone at least wake up and realise you can create your own reality? And my reality is not your reality, reality varies with every person and negative consequences are bound to occur if you have different opinions. Concerning existence, if I stopped doing things I'd be glad. So I'm stealing Schopenhauer, not always busy again. No goals, my life isn't over, I don't care if I live or die.
Hoobifta 2 days ago
allot of his views came from eastern traditions like Buddhism saying that suffering was brought about by desire and that we create reason to sort of embellish our desires
ECstrategicgaming 1 week ago
lonely sad men tend to love truth and face life for what it is: a cruel joke !
TheUndertakerSaysRIP 1 week ago
Arthur must have suffered immensely in this world of utmost ignorance. Its a such a lonely place to live where majority consist of average, boring people who all they need for their happiness is to get married and reproduce or be constantly in 'love' (sorry to abuse this word).God, I rather be alone than bored with someone. Its so hard to find soul that understands thus it is a true blessing to have at least a glimpse of understanding from other rare human being in this world full of vanity.
ipraythatsth27 2 weeks ago
Arthur was much more than a representative of pessimism and gloom. If a little intelligence invites a little sorrow,..just imagine his struggle. He knew how to face the emptiness - he was 72 when he died. He was a fighter,and one of the greatest intellects the world has ever seen - a true master,..and,of course,unappreciated by the huddled masses. He told us that the intellect must be developed to the point of dominance over the 'will' - it being the source of most of our suffering.
007mugabi 3 weeks ago
He understands my soul.
TheWendingRoad 3 weeks ago
this guy just needed xbox and some drugs
alistairproductions 1 month ago
Time is also what makes life possible. It sounds like he saw the glass as half full. The way I look at it is if its possible to come into existence as an entity once, it can happen again and again given an eternit no matter how unlikely the probability. Long periods of non-existence between brief periods of existence would go un-perceived, so the frightening reality is that we might never really die while never staying the same.
JNathanK2011 1 month ago
@JNathanK2011 Friedrich Nietzsche proposed that idea and called it the "Eternal Recurrence" theory. Modern physics has proven this to be wrong and Friedrich never literally believed it himself. He just used the situation as a thought experiment.
TheDavid2222 1 month ago
"animals are not a fabrication for our use, one owes the not pity,but justice" a graet vegetarian of his time and would turn over in his grave if he seen the factory farm death houses of today.
normalguyable 1 month ago
@Minkki82 i've wondered the same thing, but, must one's life have meaning in order for one to continue living it? i'd say the majority of people living, aside from the religious, have not grasped the meaning of life and yet they choose to remain living. i think one can understand that life has no meaning yet not choose suicide. one can choose to live, in spite of the absurdity of life. one might embrace the absurdity, embrace the indifferent universe, the coming of death, as Camus said
Chemgirl99 1 month ago
@Chemgirl99 You have to understanding that the comic absurdity of existence does not provide nearly enough sustenance for some people to exist. I actually do believe that if there is nothing of value, then suicide becomes the rational course of action for people who discover that truth. If nothing is worth dying for, then why not die? I'm not suicidal because I realize that there just might be value. Philosophy is my major and I want to continue to explore these difficult questions.
TheDavid2222 1 month ago
I do recall reading this existential material of Schopenhauer, then I fuckin needed to read some absurdist POV! Arthur Schopenhauer deconstructed and analyzed the reality of my being, therefore i needed to recover and reconstruct into optimizing myself(in ethics of course).lol
comehithershesays 3 months ago
heeeey, the like bar looks like a pencil !
LV07TSK 3 months ago
i love this essay, my favorite of all times, and i am so bored right now, that it actually suited me just fine
IntiqYana 3 months ago
Of course those people on here criticising Schopenhauer for what he is saying here have to bear in mind it forms part of the broader over-riding aim of his philosophical outlook. The whole of nature from the tiniest seed to the grandest of kings is beset and faced with this vanity. The only thing is that the seed is fortunate enough not to be aware of the fact. As everything is caught up in this, compassion and fellow feeling towards all living beings is the only valid path.
egapnala65 3 months ago
Remind me not to invite this guy to my next birthday party.
RosarioFanBoy777 4 months ago 17
@RosarioFanBoy777 lol? you mean schopenhauer?
nicopapa121 4 weeks ago
Then it's true. Dr. Phil IS the Re-incarnation of Arthur Schopenhauer.,,,,,,,,,
and there's a rumor that Maury is Nietzche?
Hugo411 4 months ago
he is the best
RAYDENMORTALKOMBAT 5 months ago
Schopenhauer's Philosophy fills my heart with joy.
101theglitch 5 months ago 6
Minkki you need to reed the book of eclesiastés
Conchalparadise 5 months ago
Very good
Conchalparadise 5 months ago
if life has no meaning then why didnt schopenhauer kill himself when he figured this?
Minkki82 5 months ago
@Minkki82 what would that have accomplished I wonder?
theantigaia 4 months ago
@theantigaia Well I guess he thought there was some reason to live if he felt like he wanted to live
Minkki82 4 months ago
@Minkki82 No. You simply don't understand.
m3anmik3y 3 months ago
@m3anmik3y Hah that was so not profound
Minkki82 3 months ago
@Minkki82 And you pretending to be smarter than him is? Hohoho, cognitive dissonance at its finest.
m3anmik3y 3 months ago
@m3anmik3y What? Where did I say I was smarter than Schopy? And regardless of that, does someone being smart mean they cant be wrong? Anyways you didnt even asses my point, you only attacked me on a personal level.
Minkki82 3 months ago
@Minkki82 He even describes it in his actual essay, you seriously need people to spell stuff out for you, it's not your fault though, that's just your society. Tip: Look at the hill analogy.
m3anmik3y 3 months ago
@m3anmik3y Well you're sort of a condescending douche, but it's not your fault though. IMO someone supposedly thinking life has no meaning yet still actively doing things to keep themselves alive is being dishonest. To me it implies that they are keeping themselves alive for some reason. But whatever, me and Schopenhauer may disagree then, try to get over it. I dont feel the need to bow down to a hotshot philosopher just because someone says I should.
Minkki82 3 months ago
@Minkki82 Ok let me ask you this, what would he accomplish by dying? What would he accomplish by living?
Nothing amounts to anything in the end, but you do more when you live, why not play it out? Unless living was so painful that you could not endure it, there really is no point in killing yourself,you'll die soon enough. Just because he can objectively determine that life has no meaning does not even mean he can actually overcome his basic instinct to live. The world isn't black and white
m3anmik3y 3 months ago
@theantigaia Why'd he keep eating and drinking ect. ? He had to actively keep doing things to keep himself alive. If life had no meaning, and he truly believed that, he wouldn't have seen any particular point in keeping himself alive.
Minkki82 3 months ago
@Minkki82 so just because he didn't kill himself, that renders his description of the truth moot?
theantigaia 3 months ago
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Chemgirl99 1 month ago
@Minkki82 May I recommend you read or listen his essay on suicide!! I personally think he didnt have the courage to take his own life. That, however, doesnt mean he didnt believe in his own theories or that he was wrong!
alukkkard 3 months ago
one of the best philosophers ever!
TheBeardedThinker 5 months ago
POETRY.
bronxman4u2000 5 months ago
is it possible to combine a schopenhauerian outlook with a will towards or commitment to - being productive and industrial, seeking to make the most of what the world has to offer through pursuing material prosperity and dedicating oneself to what we moderns would call a 'career.'
kirshara 6 months ago
he might be the greatest existentialist philosopher i've ever read. he seems to have deduced many of darwin's conclusions without the scientific data- just through reason. this philosophy would be more depressing it if wasn't for darwin's explanation of human behavior.
boseffis 7 months ago
He suffers the most that allows his mind to nurture grandoise ideas. Ideas and future platues that he thinks if attained will make him happier than he is at the moment.
Now is you, now is you twenty years from now, and now was you twenty years ago. Learn to live and love and revel in the now for everything else is unsure and precarious.
DeMarkieSade 8 months ago
Is he stating in short that life, both the past, the present, and the future is futile and amounts to nought? He is correct about one thing however; the now is really alll you have, and the individual that has the means to support and bolster his vagrancies and recreations for the moment is the rich and happy man, seeing as how the other times, both past and the present, are insignificant and vacuous.
DeMarkieSade 8 months ago
"I have seen my moment of greatness in a ficker; I have seen the eternal footrman take my coat and snicker."
DeMarkieSade 8 months ago
So he's talking around 9:40-50 about how we take no positive thing from life - existence is not enough for us. but is this not our humanly mistake? this isnt a feature of reality, this is a state of man which must be overcome. through psychedelics, through philosophy, through meditation. through whatever means. the universe, the Will, seems to starve for this intelligent movement. is not so blind and stupid as Arthur supposed, I believe.
alliant 8 months ago
Yeh i like 'catgumans' quote, realistic people calm me down and i enjoy listening to them, overly optimistic people make me nervous and i bore of them quickly....Jungs words on extraverts and introverts is enlightning. His theory on this came about when he used to have meeting with Freud and Adler once of Month in an old theatre in Viena, he noticed that Freud and Adler argued alot. He noticed that Freud based his arguments on effects from the outer World and Adler based is arguments innerworld
billchad1 9 months ago
Yo Mane dis nigga on some fancy ass shit dats how u no he a REAL nigga!
JamesMarshallJohansn 9 months ago
Imagine a parallel universe were William Shakespeare was known but completely ignored and Marlow and Pope and Dryden say, were taught in universities but Shakespeare was completely uncared for. Poor William Shakespeare is gathering dust on some oblivious bookshelves in the vacuous void of Leeds Central Library. This is schopenhauers fate. Pitty the fooled idiots who ignore the master of philosophical gymnastics!
godno1god 10 months ago
@godno1god
I totally agree.
Dualismoassoluto 10 months ago
My only disappointment is that I can't read German natively to understand the original writing.
benbeiny 11 months ago
At least two songs come to mind that almost had to be influenced by this piece of work right here. "The Will of Death" by John Frusciante, for sure, and possibly "Lord of This World" by Black Sabbath.
mussman717word 1 year ago
I am so glad that I'm german and can read his fantastic works in it's original language! If I wasn't one I probably learn the language just to dive in into his thoughts :) The most brilliant mind the world ever saw and he reflects just what I think.
SubSurreal 1 year ago
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paullees557104 1 year ago
I think that the 3rd law of motion apllies perfectly to our expanding knowledge. it leads us away from us... God like narcissus is awestruck by his image, his fantawstic creation, loses himself in it and eventually he is undone only to pop up somewhere else and start all over ..
sintissimo 1 year ago
If death -as it seems- is the purpose of life, we must place those insects that sleep in safety till they are ready to come out aND GET THE CYCLE OVER IN ONE ball party day, are at the summit of the evolution cycle, man take so long to die and so I'd say that being fast an restless kind , he takes even longer than a sequoia to conclude the cycle and so he has the longest way to go to decency never mind excellence.
sintissimo 1 year ago
genius
Cornbag 1 year ago
If we all could only imagine, a world with every national flag, that has a symbol of unification?
xenoghost01001 1 year ago
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all of his examples/metaphors make me feel like i'm listening to sophistry
thisisnotokay 1 year ago
all of his examples/metaphors make me feel like i'm listening to sophistry
thisisnotokay 1 year ago
This particular video I found to be especially enlightening ! There Is no doubt that humanity , our present society , at thls stage of our evolution can perceive this rendition as a coups de gras ! Rah Rah ! good for us ! I think this video Is great ! Although I have seen many other video's of this human being attesting to his sickness ! Just because an Individual Is a Pervert , Does not mean they can't be brilliant !
heresbigmike 1 year ago
Truth hurts.
Ecite 1 year ago
wow the part about living in the present while suffering and looking back to the past and seeing that you miss it. I thought of that a few days ago. Arthur Schopenhauer is amazing!!!!!! :D
josegotwood 1 year ago
Schopenhauer is my "god". The "ever fleeting present". He spoke so powerfully, eloquently.
sergei1873 1 year ago
What a natzy !!! The old codger has as many Issues as anyone else !! It seems that not only did he start the natsy revolution , the S.O.B. has Infiltrated , and caused many silly humans to " Think " " Prejudiced Thoughts " !!! It's overwhelming , to me , That scholars and thinkers , of the world , would reference this FELLOW for anything but " HOW , NOT TO PERCEIVE EXISTENCE ! ......... You can tell , right from the get go , the guy's a lonely ,. decrepit , Bigot !!!!
heresbigmike 1 year ago
@heresbigmike : If it's any comfort, you're not the first person to insult Schopenhauer.. But i advise you to think before you talk, or even better, don't talk at all. You're a waste of words - and compared to Schopenhauer: you're nothing but a monkey, thinking itself to be a man, because at least some of your distant ancestors might've been.
You're pathetic.
selvmordspilot 1 year ago
What a poet !
heresbigmike 1 year ago
What a port !
heresbigmike 1 year ago
Sometimes looking at the dark side of life makes the good side seem brighter
DerPoltergeist13 1 year ago 11
That`s perspective ! Nevermind still got my holiday and christmas to look forward to.
thatfingio 1 year ago
whoever read just a little bit of philosophy and have a clear mind must admit Schopenhauer is one of the greatest philosophers ever lived, In my opinion the greatest ever. this judgement comes from his unparallable prose, insights and the most for his following only the truth. it does not matter how it looks, seems or should be, the only consolation for human being in every life situation is that he possess truth in his hands whatever form it takes. it is really the only solid substance
senecaforyou 1 year ago 4
One of the most imjportant phylosopher which explains pessimism and nihiilism in a very beautiful way, using valid and solid argumentation. He is actually my favorite. Hope someday I'll be able to read everything he wrote and about his work!
fabylilith 1 year ago
I did not understand beauty and compassion until I read Schopenhauer.
chupacabrajackson 1 year ago
we see: there is no sense at all.
dulle3000 1 year ago
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WOW this guy even reads pretenciously lol
greeniem 2 years ago
schopenhauer built his philosopohy upon the upanishads
666thunderheart 2 years ago
ur right one of his big influences where the vedas and upanishads, he had the latin translation of ir.
xARMINIUSx 1 year ago
Life is leela play. It is not for achieving something out of. Play well, be like a child. Failure is not a failure if it is a play. For Napoleon, Alexander...even victory is defeat. You are victorious, yet what has been achieved? Nothing. You longed for this victory, for this goal, and now you have reached it...now what? You simply feel your whole life is lost. Life has no goals, not really. It is a purposeless play, a pageant.
archdeaconj 2 years ago 3
the balls in y our mouth is leela lol
greeniem 2 years ago
It's all very well saying, 'balls!' Any fool can say that! But unless you say why you disagree with me, it is of no interest to anyone. Its just clogging up communication channels. Say WHY you disagree. I'll put up with the rudeness (many wouldn't) if you just give me the opportunity of replying.
archdeaconj 2 years ago
you pretencious animal
greeniem 2 years ago
I take it you don't disagree with anything I said, then.
archdeaconj 2 years ago
wel nietzsche claims the oposite, see for exampple if u dont know his works the docu: nietzsche on hardship on youtube
xARMINIUSx 1 year ago
Well yes, Nietzsche was life-affirming, the complete opposite of Schopenhauer, who was into renunciation. Thx, I'll look for the vid about Nietzsche and hardship.
archdeaconj 1 year ago
This essay is the reason that childish imposters, the majority of mankind, will never accept Schopenhauer for what he was: A man who wanted to tell the truth.
AidanMclaren 2 years ago 36
You might enjoy the work of H L Mencken,especially his essays titled "Last Words" and "Memorial Service"
They are short reads but stinging and hilarious critiques of democracy and religion,highly recommended.
spentonmediocrity 2 years ago
the only pseudo-philosopher was hegel
mentalistor 2 years ago
I agree with Mattprole: you, DramatisPenzionae, are a pseudo-philosopher.
What you're saying is just inane drivel.
wackyman 2 years ago
i was going to share this on facebook, but then i realize ¿why should i? ¿who cares? i might be dead tomorrow or even later today ¿so why take the trouble? it will be as if i never actually existed ¿do i really exist? ¿am i just a fragment of someone else's imagination? ¿am i not but an atom sized particle floating in the vastness of space? ¿do anyone care about me? i wich i was dead. i wish i was never born. god if u exist please kill me and then it will be as if i never existed at all
mikehenriquez 2 years ago
You mock philosophy.
Mattprole 2 years ago
wow, that's an incredible reply, you have change my perpective about life, death and the existance of God, please reply something elese so u can continue to enlight me and therest of people here. thanks again.
mikehenriquez 2 years ago
Oh, but you actually do not exist.
And the illusion you are making, of being is what actually makes your suffering.You cannot make an absurd kind of question, like: What am I? or: Why do I exist?
Sure, in some aspect you do not exist, at all. But from your point, you are, and you simply exist. And the funny thing is that you cannot view your existence from an non existing point of view. Surely, it wasn't your act of free will, to post this on facebook, but neither was your coming introspection.
DramatisPenzionae 2 years ago
but if i do not exist that means that i never wrote the comment or posted it and therefore you are not replying to that comment since you dont exist neither. you ar but a fragment of the imagination of a non existent person that lives only in some kind of absurd pointless realm, probabbly while being imagined by some other mind without realizing the lie his existance is...until now. but now that i know my non existance ¿do i exist?
mikehenriquez 2 years ago
if you think that you exist as you perceive yourself, than you do not exist at all. But, if you do not perceive yourself at all, than you do exist, but it leaves you to not existing as an individual which is necessary for recognizing existence. LOL
As for the authenticness of existing:
"All truly wise thoughts have been thought already thousands of times; but to make them truly ours, we must think them over again honestly, till they take root in our personal experience." - Johann von Goethe
DramatisPenzionae 2 years ago
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This guy really would need a blowjob. Pessisism comes from to much thinking. Act, dont think!
Doderhultarn89 2 years ago
hehe. crazy old man
Doderhultarn89 2 years ago
Normally, I'm not really into readings on youtube, but you, mate, are a really good reader. Thanks, this gave me background while writing.
Nostatementinthename 2 years ago
anybody knows positive philosophers who celebrate human life in their work ?i am curious what arguments
they would bring,cuz here Schopenhauer destroys the will to live
S91222921 2 years ago
Heidegger & Nietzsche would be a good place to start.
Nostatementinthename 2 years ago
And also - Schopenhauer destroys life only if you accept his premise. About half the canonised western philosophers from Descartes and on will tell you why you don't need to do this - nevertheless, Schopenhauer RULES
Nostatementinthename 2 years ago
Man, traditionally, has been perpetually obsessed with the illusory significance of his own existence and the even greater delusion of the significance of his actions, in an infinitely temporal and infinitely spacial universe. On this pale blue dot called earth, would the universe notice is we disappeared?
However, it pleases a man to take charge of his garden, fill it with living things and play with them. Or so it seems.
simonhosp 2 years ago
Narration is well to make sad.Physics says existence is full of energy.Don't you know that formula,"e=m×c×c"?
Vanity is vitality,conceit lead human to make live until end.if somebody abandons hope which waits to be caught by someone's hand,give organs to
patients who wait transplant.
civillaser 2 years ago
like tears in the rain
jmm1233 2 years ago 2
Well said.
infonomics 2 years ago
Hermann Hesse is not a philosopher, and he doesn't write philosophy. Schopenhauer otoh was and did. You people (Germanicus79 and carusggg) are confusing philosophy with pseudophilosophy.
wackyman 2 years ago
I love Schopenhauer...people who realistically acknowledge the disappointment and suffering in life make me happy, People who force an overly optimistic viewpoint seem either naive or dishonest or maybe they have good luck, but life is so problematic and difficult and when people can admit this, it, for me makes life better...because we can relate and show mercy to each other for failings and value the real things that are good even if they are fleeting.......
catgumart 2 years ago 100
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Yes. I am one of those of who acknowledge the suffering in life.
MrJohnJamal 2 years ago
I agree that it is worth reflecting on reality now and again, but I don't see any value in getting bogged down in the fact rather than trying to see things in a positive light and moving on.
It is an interesting debate of positivism vs negativism and I doubt we could ever see eye to eye, but it is disappointing that you are so dismissive of the other side - people who choose to live their lives with a smile on their face with an intent to improve the world rather than wallow in its problems.
jaicket 2 years ago
beautifully written catgumart.
stopohno 2 years ago
Actually people who are optimistic can take a negative situation and find value. Thus finding life valualbe.
leoroar69 2 years ago
A negative person can take a negative situation and find value in it. I don't like blind optimism nor do I condone wallowing in negativity.I think some people aren't negative are stigmatized as negative for not adopting and constantly maintaining an "optimistic" demeanor etc.I don't like those who get pleasure from sinking to the depths,I have compassion for people who can't free themselves from the muck. I don't think optimism should be used as a weapon to hold power over someone
catgumart 2 years ago 4
Very well said. I share such views on pessimism.Actually i always knew that before i ever heard about the great Schopenhauer.
gleb202 2 years ago
Schopenhauer appeals to people who desperately want to bend reality to their emotions. Your life is filled with bitter disappointment? Look not to self-improvement because your character at any given time projects the stage for the rest of your life. So why bother right?
I vehemently disagree with this sort of philosophy for it denies the implications of free will on one's self; effectively comforting to subscribers of this philosophy to resign to their fates. A soft form of determinism.
HapaLife 1 year ago
@HapaLife
I wouldn't say it was deterministic-because no thing is determined or set in stone or predicted totally-but certain reoccurring patterns- that can be difficult or require a type of realistic bravery to observe are validated---when optimistic people think anything is possible--they forget the part of "anything" that maybe negative...
catgumart 1 year ago
@HapaLife
I think many people prepare themselves, & battle their own doubts/worries in their life by getting their mind set in the most positive state by editing out anything in life experience that is hard to accept or admit--this interferes with their goal to achieve happiness-but neglecting or fearing truths is no good for to deny them becomes a type of dishonesty or ignorance---Self improvement is good but the problem may not be the fault of the individual but may stem from many sources.
catgumart 1 year ago
@HapaLife
I believe it is right & compassionate to understand people who have had bad luck, difficulties or face limitations that effect their quality of life in whatever way. All people are different & I think it arrogant & simple to assume that everyone can be successful in this life,on this world if only they'd do it the right way--whatever that is--and that nothing is holding them back, except their bad attitude--I don't believe in resignation- but their are different things to consider.
catgumart 1 year ago
@HapaLife
Yet you bend reality to your own emotion, the emotions of defiance, of hope
A soft form of utopianism
cp1492 1 year ago
@catgumart Deductive reasoning requires a fierce negativity,slicing through the lies of life, to get to the existential nectar, read the corruption of reality by john f shcumaker, the greater the dellusion one lives under, the happier they are, primary reality is negative, because there is nothing attractive the the subconscious to be found in those depths, cultural reality however has all the escapes and fantastical illusions, realize its an illusion, and keep one foot in primary truth.
ToxicRemedyBinge 1 year ago 2
@ToxicRemedyBinge well written.
southsydney 1 year ago
@catgumart
But then don't we need to transcend that? Why move into OUR way of viewing the world if it depresses us and takes away our power?
We need to find the Optimism, guided by the light of these dark observations.
I would think that that would be truly the Philosophy of Life.
alliant 1 year ago
catgumart 1 year ago
@catgumart What does any of that even mean?
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn
What does what mean? What are you referring to?
catgumart 1 year ago
@Juefawn
I'm sorry I'm not sure what part of my comment that you don't understand, if you could be more specific I could try to answer your question--I thought what I said is pretty understandable and straight forward-- You ask "What does any of that even mean?" and it sounds to me like I may as well have typed " flar tilib funger dermong yor"
catgumart 1 year ago
@catgumart That's stupid... Realistically acknowledge the disappointment and suffering in life? What is there in this world that makes you suffer? Oh, I know the answer... You're greedy and jealous just like the rest of humanity. I can't find a single reason why I should suffer in life, that's because I'm intelligent enough to ignore it since it has no use at all.
K4inan 11 months ago
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catgumart 11 months ago
@catgumart I live in ignorance... Isn't it you that lives in ignorance, since you get emotionally affected even though it has no use or purpose?
K4inan 11 months ago
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catgumart 11 months ago
@catgumart I'm well aware of this... I don't hide my emotions, the bad ones just rinse away... It's something genetic, my father is the same.
K4inan 11 months ago
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catgumart 11 months ago
shut up!
DIOCULA 11 months ago
@K4inan I only need to say the word evolution, for that alone should be enough to see how all of life rests upon a blood soaked pedestal of conflict in which nature the cruel and heartless thing that it is colors our minds to see. Life was never meant to be anything at all, least of all fair. I speak not of my own life but the multitude which have..animal alike. Need and want in of themselves causes suffering because a person is forced to strive for them...we can never just be.
codester1111 10 months ago
@catgumart Hi, you should check out the YouTube user called inmendham. He's like the Schopenhauer of YouTube; he's a proponent for antinatalism, he's in favor of euthanasia and he's an animal rights advocate. You should check him out, I think you're gonna like him.
singecriat 10 months ago
Schopenhauer is speaking as if from the grave.
The experience of life only works from its insular perspective.
strawdog1234567 2 years ago
wel i think u have quite right, but we have to seperate two things spirit and soul.
I think consiounce is more the sum of our sentiments of emotions, and we mix those two very often.
Personaly i have a lot of problems with: soul, spirit, feelings, and what is what, i cant give a clear answer to that yet. But when i read about it i see the soul as the inner self, more intuitive, and the rest is on the surface, so its more the domain of the mind/spirit. hard topic.
Germanicus79 2 years ago
Yes , what we feel is very important but just when his sources are not from our mind , who need pleasure. But when does not the mind need pleasure ? Who felled something for anything in this world who didn't give them anything ? This is one of the most hard paradoxes of our world. And it is a paradox because we think we know truths that are just because they give us pleasure and we know to think in what is spirit by this truths .
carusggg 2 years ago
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Yes , what we feel is very important but just when his sources are not from our mind , who need pleasure. But when does not the mind need pleasure ? Who felled something for anything in this world who didn't give them anything ? This is one of the most hard paradoxes of our world. And it is a paradox because we think we know truths that are just because they give us pleasure and we know to think in what is spirit by this truths .
carusggg 2 years ago
nice ! that last one, all religion indeed is egocentric, Nietzsche also said it.!!! Its better to go trough ur pain then running from it, cause u keep running from everything. And to sit at home in a couch with a book reading about hannibals battle's is way different then leading those army's, and we always have to keep that reality in mind. I think ur right they accept lies cause they refuse to accept the pain, very on the top ! good job !.
Germanicus79 2 years ago
Yes , but Nietzsche said it because he didin't thinked that probably there really is something as real as universal love. And we force to have them wich is not right. The real way by wich we can understand the world is the way of the spirit , the natural way! Without forcing... without self deceit and running from the pain or running for pleasure. To do just what you feel you have to do...
carusggg 2 years ago
i think u know what ur talking about, finaly someone who went trough those fases. I always encounter people who only know one philosopher and cling on it, but never actually try, and compare and live it existentialy, people like u, they are a dying breed. our philosophers are now MTV, MC Donald, Coca Cola, Sit.coms etc etc. While living, is what happens between ur ears... cogito ergo sum ! If the youth of europe and the U.S. again discovered those truths, it would be beautifull !
Germanicus79 2 years ago
Yes , probably our single escape is culture. Just culture show how the variety of mans interpret life, how complex it is and how united is the spirit of the man . It is in the culture where the understanding stay. But now the so called New Age came in and he destroy all the real profound way of view. It make them to appear superficial and idiotic , this is one reason for wich I studied philosophy , to understand why I don't like it. I saw the idiotic excuses of them and all religions as well.
carusggg 2 years ago
so every desire is becoming a danger for schopenhauer, cause it gives a little time of hapiness but it leaves u unfulfilled behind. The one desire followed by the next, and so on. he says u have to cut of desire, like the ascets,monks etc, but they are fleeing live u cannot lay down what u DONT KNOW . people confined themselfs in monastary's while young while they dont even know life to the fullest. trough pain and suffering ur soul will be puriefied.
Germanicus79 2 years ago
The soul that is purified doesn't really exists. What you call "soul" is just a sum of sentiments and emotion that came alive from our desire for pleasure. So if the real soul is there that soul doesn't want pleasure or suffering at the base of his emotions. Therefore trought pain your ignorance to the sufering became clear and so the "soul" is "purified" but... this purified soul is just a non-ignorant one. The real soul need to be in conection with spirit , to transcend this will for pelasure
carusggg 2 years ago
wel u have to understand schopenhauers time, schopenhauer was inspired by Kant, that time was a tikme of personality, and Schopenhauer really believed that if he doesnt exist, the world also doesnt exist. but be aware: not in the interpretation, litteraly it isnt there anymore ! So if i die, are you gone ? Schopenhauer took it to the next level, kant only talked about interpretation of onceself, but he closed the whole world in the person itself. with the wil as its etarnal energy
Germanicus79 2 years ago
I don't think that is something of the times when schop lived. I see this everyday , if God would be bad we would say that He is good anymore ? Would exists this concept of "good" ? Just because we are scared we don't have to say that God is good or bad , or "God is with us". What do we know about He , if He really exist ?
All we do is just for pleasure , satisfaction and life. This is what we call now spirirtuality , this times show very well the superficiality of illusions.
carusggg 2 years ago
no he wasnt right, he was a good philosopher, but nietzsche proofed him wrong, its better to embrasse life and not to become an subject that only knows, and dont feel anything anymore, he became a cranky old man, who even broke a womans arm when trow her out of the door, he wasnt a pleasant man, and his teachings are basicly the indian lore in western terms. with the wil as desire Principium indivuationis, as the vail of maya and so on, nietzsche is the only remaining Ph of importance
Germanicus79 2 years ago
to embrace life is nothing more than to embrace the ilusions and the ignorance. Our life is or ignorant and good or bad but without ilussions.
carusggg 2 years ago
read Hermann Hesse's Siddharta, Narziss und Goldmund, and unterm rad. He says practicly, if everything is an illusion and life means living in it, im also an illusion, and every illusion is a brother like me, and as REAL AS ME, i have no notion of it, and live living to the fullest, you need to live, to feel the counterpole of pain, love etc you have to feel pain first 2 recognize the counterpole to the fullest.. you have to feel this, not read it . i also revered Schopenhauer, not anymore
Germanicus79 2 years ago
I concluded some of what Schopenhauer said by myself. Even if you live or not this doesn't have a real importance by knowing that I live in a an illusion maded by me. To say that is as real as you is another illusion , that is accepted just because is comfortable. To live is the acceptance of this illusions. We believe that this is an ilussion because we don't understand what we want. We know we want to feel good (and therefore this can't be an ilusion) and we don't want pain.
carusggg 2 years ago
However because pain and pleasure are opposites what is and what is not an illusion is just a question of perspective. Just when the wisdom will change the man on his deep insight then.. or it will be a great lie of his soul or it will be the great truth. The entirely sprirituality is egocentric therefore is not real spirirtuality The mans lie and accept ilussion because they refuse pain. Why should we love our chains even if they are "good" ?
carusggg 2 years ago
Fantastic narration.
infonomics 2 years ago
and too crx35e man was not meant to deal in absolutes,it is a display or ignorance towards change, and yes i know i contradict myself...thats the point
skatermcshitson 2 years ago
he was right...but socrates was aswel "i must surely be the smartest man for i know that i know nothing" the will to except this quote should be a serious concern for people, ther is no infinate just continual change brought about by the change that perceeded it, our ability to change the past lies in the now..i think he just had problems dealing with that, cause once u do u just go with the flow, and if ther was one anser for life it would nullify our exsistence completly,so why hunt it??????
skatermcshitson 2 years ago
go back to live in natural time...man was not meant to rule him self
CRX35E 2 years ago
maybe the facts i've felt are so GLORIOUS ya cant contain yourself and sedate your self to put it into words, you just dance, YEAH MAN!!
Manicpanicanticant 2 years ago
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Manicpanicanticant 2 years ago
the only way truth can be known is through feeling not with words buddha said something of that kind maybe in different words, i like that idea that there is MORE in feeling.
Manicpanicanticant 2 years ago
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Manicpanicanticant 2 years ago
Unfortunately those two are interchangable.
xxmonickkkkaxx 2 years ago
True words spoken, thankyou schopenhauer
connecttoyourenergy 2 years ago
schopenhauer.. figured out the universe
mrfatd 2 years ago 3
Woody Allen is the ultimate Schopenhauer disciple, or better, the ultimate example of the vanity of existence.
rokoto66 2 years ago
wel it do help if u know his predecesers, like Kant,
Vergilius07 2 years ago
I suppose this is even present as an undercarried assumption in the sensualism of Camus: "I will enjoy the experiences which life affords me, even though I must surely die". It is the conclusion which his humanity and yearnings force him to accept, against the cleaner (yet bleaker) conclusion of the other side of the argument in the Myth of Sisyphus.
kakkermachavvy 2 years ago
Clearly very few people accept the statement that that which ceases to exist is non-existent in the *same* way as that which has never existed, or has not yet come into being. For most people, their non-acceptance of this subverts Schopenhauer's pessimism: "No" they say, "For experience is self-justifying, and even if one's existence may one day cease, it will yet have been, and this makes it a worthwhile pursuit". We must decide whether to accept this: most of us have already decided.
kakkermachavvy 2 years ago
No one cares today whether someone was rich or poor who lived in 1720. You can pretend that your life matters but ultimately to the people who live tomorrow your existence is of no concern to them.
JimmySmers 2 years ago
Yes, your existence is not necessarily of interest to those who live tomorrow. However, it may be of interest to them. This is the case with Australopithecus Africanus, Piltdown man, Cleopatra, Charles the Bald and Iris Murdoch. Do you disagree?
I offered a different point, however.Experience occurs and, even if it subsequently ceases, this does not offer a necessary grounds for pessimism.
This may be why many of those who do not believe in life after death do not commit suicide.
kakkermachavvy 2 years ago
Simple the biggest Genius ever lived on this planet.
To get his idea is not a question of years it takes one's life
matthiasrobert 3 years ago 2
Present moment always vanishing, well that's why man create drawing, writing and photography, video.. to preserve a reference to a certain moment always vanishing.
LasxMalvinasxArg 3 years ago
start at 9:30.. "delight in mere existance" can be attained,ask the Dalai Lama.I experience delight quite often through just being quiet and observing myself ,through meditation or simply appreciating my surroundings.without struggle and without boredom. just appreciate the moment.anyone care to share their experiences on this?
sled1950 3 years ago
buddhist philosphies are pretty good too..
remember it all originated in india where the first university was(nalanda).dalai lama agrees the indian origin of buddhism and the place-nalanda.matta fact jesus came to india in his 18 years of life unaccounted for in the bible to acquire his knowledgeand wisdom too. indians are the fathers of all knowledge .i mean everything from science medicine..
modern technology is a whole different argument which anyway is an unsustainable way of life in west.
blackkat888 3 years ago