this is amazing. he basically makes a case against the bible then says its not true because he accepts the word of the bible instead. i mean how can someones mind operate like this? he approaches so closely to the truth yet is capable of completely ignoring it.
@twiistaaa It is quite simple actually. Ham is deceived by what we symbolically call "Satan". If he understood the Bible better, especially Job, he would never have gotten caught in that trap.
Then the LORD spoke to Job out of the storm. He said: “Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Just to clear things up for my non-christian and atheist peeps out there:
The Bible does not, in any way, explicitly state age of the earth. Ken Ham is welcome to his interpretation, but to make some of the claims they make and then say that you must believe this way or you're compromising God is (biblically) wrong.
If you're an atheist, I invite you to read Genesis for yourself. I know these people are fun to troll and make fun of, but I'd encourage you to know what the Bible has to say
According to Genesis, the fall of man was incited by a serpent (Satan) who tempted Eve to sin. If everything was 'very good' when this happened what is this 'Satan-Snake' doing in the garden?
The world was either perfect, or it wasn't. Right Ken?
Based on this serious flaw in biblical exegesis...Ken goes on to create a straw man argument and runs with it into ad nauseam territory. To suggest that 'Billions of years = God is a sadist prick' is pretty batshit insane.
@VforVideo It is simple actually. Ken Ham fell for the deception of Satan just as Eve did.
Satan is the personification of deception. (or in this case a combination of serpent and human traits for context in a fable). Satan uses the fallacy of equivocation to trick Eve. Satan has used the fallacy of reification to trick YEC's like Ken Ham.
@redddbaron Are you saying that ANY "literal" interpretation of the creation account in Genesis falls under fallacy of equivocation? (just playing devil's advocate here...pun intended).
So what this man is basically saying is this "when Man sins it wasn't enough to give us all original sin, god felt the need to infect all the innocent animals and plants with the evil that the humans were responsible for because If you don't believe this then you are obviously saying Satan made all those things and that means he can create things too and therefore is on the level with God"
I'm a "fundi" Christian and I'm embarrased by this idiot! Ham has no regard for continental drift, geology, astronomy, biology, physics, or science in general. There were always thorns, disease, death, etc. in the world, but it wasn't untill sin occured and Adam was evicted from the garden where things were perfect that he had to deal with them. REAL Science and the Bible need not be in conflict! Google "ANSWERS IN CREATION" and see how the two support one another.
@Timbrock1000 they dont your indoctrinated this is the only reason why you beleive this book, the trick is you think you beleive it because you choice to,
but you would be a fundi muslim, if youd be borned in saudi arabia, you would beleive in zeus if youd be borned in greece 4000 years ago,
horus as the exact jesus story, but 3000bc, mithra also, the jesus story was around for a long time, later on the put the 25 december as birthdate,, cause of horus and mithra,its more godlikedont you see?
My teacher used to say there are always less brilliants in a class. No wonder the likes bar is small.Theists dominate in population to those of Atheists.
He's right saying that christians believing in science have a "major inconsistency": It depends on the fact that religious ideas, which was born from a bronze age mindset, are inconsistent with reality, so no rational person could be a christian, without bearing a COGNITIVE DISSONANCE in his brain.
Indeed people need to ignore how reality works, and have no knowledre or understanding about science to be christians.
In other words: only people like ken ham can be "coherent" christians.
And the distance between New York and San Francisco is less than 10 yards. (That's the scale of how wrong these people are who believe in an Earth less than 10 000 years.)
Ken Ham says, "...and we have a problem". Yeah....it's called reality. It's a bitch isn't it Ken? Especially when it proves your book of fairytales to a crock of total bull shit
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There are so many gaps in the Evolution "THEORY" like how all the explanitory fossils haven't been found, I know your all gonna say "but they haven't been looking very long" I don't see how you can be so stupid, There is so much proof against evolution(the ark has been found, the grand canyon).
@DCGRUENIG If there is evidence against evolution how come the Acadamy of Sciences is not aware of any of it? Not finding a fossil is evidence of nothing other than not find a fossil, but the hundreds and hundreds of transitional fossils between almost every class of animal proves evolution, as does genetics, molecular biology and so much more. You can put your head in the sand, it seems to be the only tactic you have to escape the reality of proof.
@DCGRUENIG "The ark has been founds?" You mean they dug up a wooden boat, with the exact dimensions, with every type of animals crap found and tested with DNA to prove 2 of every species???? OR.....did you find a natural rock formation on a moutain that is boat shaped?
Yeah...we all know the second option. That's cute, very cute. Litte fairy tales must make you hug your teddy bear tight and night and give you comfort.
The Super Group of rocks is below the level layers of the Grand Canyon. These layers were laid down level, block faulted into mountains, worn flat, and then the Teapeats Sandstone was laid down over it. Then another 5000 feet of sediments was laid down, some wind blown desert sands, some slow growing corals. Then the whole area was raised to 8000 feet above sea level. Finally the canyon was cut by water flowing down hill. How long do you think this took?
Religion is bull. Christianity, Islam, Judeism, the very lot. Anybody who beleives in it are those who descended from people who live in fear of the unknown. If they actually took the time to learn something, they would probably think scientifically. There is more proof of evolution that there is of god. If we where made in his image, why are we not all invisible too? If you want to know about how the universe started and where we came from, watch carl sagans cosmos. If there is a god, it's him.
@DCGRUENIG theories, like the atomic theory (do atoms exist? No one has ever seen one!. The cell theory (do cells exist)? The theory of matter and energy, the germ theory (do germs make us sick, do they really exist, or do demons cause illness? Theory of plate techtonics, what causes volcanoes? It is an angry god or the movement of the earth's plates? It's only a theory right??? WRONG. Scientific theories are based on FACTS. Not opinion or speculation, that is called a HYPOTHESIS.
@elinikk errrr.....no. Fool. It's a very very well established scientific theory with no (hear that..."no" i.e. "none" evidence against it. All genetics and DNA could have disproven it....but it enhanced it. All the genetics fit exactly as it should. THe DNA from extinct animals, the way some genes change through the biological tree, etc. There is hundreds of thousands of pages of scientific research in many many fields of science that ALL support the theory. You are proving ignorant
@Futureplanet No, (Ad hominen) evolution is not an established theory. Your attacks on me show your lack of reason. We are TOLD that evolution is an establish scientific theory, but this is incorrect. Evolution is not a theory, it is a poorly supported hypothesis at best. evolution is rather a model. DNA and genetics actually disprove evolution.
@elinikk Ad hominen....yes, you are right. I am attacking you because you are complete liar. Evolution is an ABSOLUTELY ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC THEORY. NOT, absolutely 100% NOT a hypothsis. ANYONE that says that is either a liar or ignorant. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
You are telling me DNA and genetic disprove evolution is another laugh and lie.
ncbi (dot) nlm (dot) nih (dot) gov/pubmed
Here's the link. Take a search for ANY scientific paper that disproves evolution IN ANY FIELD.
@Futureplanet No, evolution is not a theory, it is an hypothesis. A theory is highly supported in science by facts, but evolution is hypotheis and a poor one at that. evolution only uses science when convenient. Does that sound scientific? No it does not, so evolution is a story of the past, but nothing more. This story of evolution is constantly changing as new evidence disproves it.
@elinikk "A theory is highly supported in science by facts"
Correct. Now look up all the evidence we have for evolution. And not on creationist websites, because they have a tendency to not know a damn thing about science.
"evolution only uses science when convenient."
Evolution IS science, it doesn't USE it. You really are retarded.
"This story of evolution is constantly changing as new evidence disproves it."
You know that's how science works, right? But evolution hasn't been disproven.
@MagicActor1987 Yes, I know science and evolution, I studied evolution at the University level. evolution is a story that is supported by science when convenient. evolution could possibly be called historical science, but it is not applied science (math, physics, etc.).
I know how science works, or how it is supposed to work. Saddly no evolutionary biologist follows the way science should work!
@elinikk "I studied evolution at the University level" I don't believe you. I myself am a Christian, and I was a creationist earlier. I know the "arguments" very well. As time went by, I found the "arguments" to be flawed, and I now study evolution. It's actually quite funny how the evidence are EVERYWHERE you look in biology. It's simply fantastic.
@elinikk "but it is not applied science (math, physics, etc.)" This is not correct. By the way, evolutionary biologists are usually outrageous mathematists, and mathematics confirms to evolution. I'm not sure if I understand your physics caveat, though...
@Stinukli I agree, evolution is not applied science...It is historical science (aka: story telling). evolutionist must be mathematics, because they must believe that the odds, athough impossible, somehow make the impossible possible. evolution is mathematically impossible that is what the evidence shows.
@elinikk No, you don't agree. I think you should go read an evolutionary biology textbook or something, because you obviously have no clue about evolution, nor biology in general. Evolution is overwhelmingly documented in any scientific field, from mathematics to phylogeny. The mathematical aspect deals f.x with maximum parsimony, maximum likelihood and statistical significans.
@Stinukli No, I am not afraid at looking at any evidence. I have looked at the evidence and find it lacking. You as a Christian are hampered by believing the lie of evolution. Jesus confirmed a recent creation, Adam, Eve, Abel, Noah, the Flood etc. So, to be a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, you have to deny some of what he said. This type of picking and chosing of the words of our savior is dangerous. You should re-think what you believe and why.
@elinikk No, you deny the observable reality, and that is why your interpretation of the Bible can not be correct. God has created the reality; obviously that was the point with God.
There are several reasons, even literal, to think that the Bible is compatible with evolution.
@Stinukli No, evolution is not compatible with the bible. God did create reality and that is why the evidence points to a recent creation. I have a plain or straight forward interpretation of the bible, this is the standard Christian interpretation of the bible. That means we believe what it says. You deny the bible, the teachings of Jesus Christ and observable nature (which is the general revelation of God). It is not reasonable to believe in evolution.
@elinikk No, Christians differ vastly in theological issues, and so be it in regards of evolution.
And no, the Bible does not teach anti-evolution. I believe this to be one of the dangerous traps in the category of phariseic deceptions. That many believe it does not mean it is true.
@Stinukli Christianity has vast theological issues because humans continually want to disbelieve God's word and create their own doctrine. evolution is not in the bible and those that coninside a belief in Christianity and evolution must compromise either Christianity or evolution to do so. The bible claims that God created the Universe in 6 days, this is far from the billions of years according to evolution. The bible claims that the earth was created before the sun!, etc.
@Stinukli I would rather you believe the bible the create categories of pharaseic deceptions. Jesus was a pharasee, even though he argued with them. John said "...but there standeth one among you (pharasees), whom ye know not...whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose" (John 1:26b, 27b).
Believe what Jesus taught about God and about the truth of Genesis, not some desception by evil men who "...cannot allow a divine foot in the door" (Dr. Richard Lewontin, biologist)
@elinikk there is no objectivity at all in any of your position, your indoctrinated, cant you see that?you dont have a choice,it is blasphamy to accept the fact, so your mind, twisted it and go with a fabricated lie, this is indoctrination,
you would be a muslim being borned in saudi arabia,
there is no debate on evolution and the age of the earth, no matter what you read,
chromose 2 bare the mark of the fusion of 2 chromosome, from 24 to 23, from a commeon ancestor of us and chimp,
@elinikk over 150 differents dating method point out at a 4.54 billions years old earth,
if youd bother to study a bit you would have to agree, the evidence is too big, it is embarrasing for you, to admit your wrong i understand, geography, cosmology, genetic all different field, all converge on this, you really have nothing to hide behind, so why dont just accept the truth, why do you have to be stubburn, it dont change anything, your last refuge is on youtube it is kind of a waste of time!
@lapmarty Your assertions are false. The various dating methods do not point to any billions of years. It is just data that is interpreted. You understand only what you are allowed to understand and you only know what you were given. Youtube is not a refuge. I do not know what you are talking about. Christians are everywhere and evolution and billions of years are failing to hold water. You are in the losing side.
@elinikk lol laugapable, there is not even a debate about the fact that the earth isnt 6000 years old morons, no university on this planet teaches that for a reason,
go to any universiity science department, and youll see, you have lost but still hang in like a flat earth beleiver,
dating method do pointed out at the age, it isnt interpretation, maybe you should study a bit and stop making a fool of yourself, can you point me out at a dating method that result at 6000 for earth age? please,
@elinikk in order for your fantasy to be truth geology, astronomy, chemestry, even microbiology with genetic, have to be wrong, get real will you, at one point do you stop being stubburn?? i mean do you really thing that all radiometric dating are wrong?? (over 150) do you really also thing that the Standard Candle method for star distance measurement is also wrong??having be proven right?? the simple fact that we know some object are further away then 6000 years old should ring a bell..no?
@lapmarty You mean the truth that I know (not fantasy). There is much good science done in geology, astronomy, chemistry, etc. However, there are many asumptions made that are incorrect. You have a false sence of security with modern science. We do not know as much as you are giving us credit for. To correct your one mistake, a lightyear is a distance not a year. This is confusing for the uninitiated. The Universe is then 94 billion light years in diameter and not 46.5 billion years old!
@elinikk are you completly insane, i know about light years, it is the notion of how many km in a years light can do,,,,same as Km/hours, same as any measurement of speed,,,,ultimatly it can also tel you distance, when you use basic logic
@elinikk data interpratation,,,are you stupid off course, you got ice layer, 1 per years, you get 43 000 layer, you count them, you conclude with logic, it took 43 000 years to form,,, how is that interpretation this is what you called logic,, if uit was the only way to know, i would tell you sure, there must be other possibility, but the list is so large, only idiot like you refuse to admit the truth because it goes againt their dear religious view,
@lapmarty Yes there is documentation to claim a long age to the universe. I have read much of it. Just because I disagree with much of what has been written does not mean I am embarrassing myself. On the contrary, I have read and have concluded much scientific (pseudo) data to be wrong. Most rely on the same assumption that if we test a rate of something today that same rate can be thrust into the past to extrapolate a date for the beginning of said process. This is false reasoning.
@elinikk you idiot layer of ice are made because the earth go around the sun, in one years, even with slight change, the notion of years pretty much stay the same, you cannot change that data, even with a amazing error % it still make millions of years, what do you beleive that years were actually days,,,,,,imagine the speed the earth wouldve goes around the sun,,,your just moronic here sorry and your trolling, who gives a shit your wrong, your opinion dont matter
You are saying evolution is not a theory, and you are alone in the world with this view point. Millions of scientists, professors, teachers, academics (ie. educated people who know the subject), know evolution IS a scientfic theory, because of the tested, measured, evidence that ABOUNDS, in molecular biology, palentology, etc.
@Futureplanet I am sorry that you know so little of science that you are fooled by the vast amounts of non-existent evidence that proves evolution. you have been decieved and lied too.
@elinikk Interesting. I though my science degree in Biotechnology would have taught me a lot about science, chemistry and evolution. But, if you, who studied nothing, and have no expereience or qualification tell me I know nothing about science, then I am sure you are right, because you have the invisible magic man on your side.
All in your mind?? Nahh.. no way. Millions deluded, just like the Hindus and Muslems?? Nahhh.. yours if the one true religion.
@Futureplanet I would hope that your degree would have taught you something. Unfortunately you can't teach someone how to think. Just like the monkey learning sign language, it is useless to the monkey but a neat trick. The same is with many people who graduate from higher learning, they just learn how to jump through the hoops. It does not mean they are smarter then anyone else, just that they spent the money and jumped the hoops. BTW, I have studied at University.
@elinikk You are a complete joke. Your ideas are down right moronic. You are clearly uneducated. Aren't you!? Your give away is the continual nonsense you spout. You have no idea on biology, clearly you know nothing about the fossils, about human evolution and the many types of species leading to homo sapiens. You know nothing...i repeat NOTHING about DNA. There is no way you could with what you right. Don't lecure others when you are an uneducated immbelice.
@elinikk You are not thinking, but spouting what morons like Ken Ham believe. You are told to have "faith" so you do. No thinking required there!! Just believe it....believe it!! Oh Lord.... I believe in you. Show me your wisdom oh your invisibleness. I humble before your willingness to spread cancer upon the earth and your kindess to drown babies and pregnant woman during the flood. PLease let me believe your ancient fairy-tales, because the alternative is to think and learn...beyond me!
@elinikk You are ignorant on the Koran. According to almost a billion people, that is the true word of god. So??? BTW, I am not ignorant of the bible. I went to Sunday school as a child, studied it in a Catholic private school, and went to church for many years until my parents realized it was all ridiculous. You don't have the abilty to evaluate and analysis the Bible as any other book (ie Koran or other book) because your bias in believing it as true.
@Futureplanet Go and follow Mohamed and serve Allah then. But the Koran is a useless book of giberish and Alah cannot save. There is no peace in Islam only control. Even the faithful Muslims fast during the day when everyone is watching but they gorge themselves with food at night when no one sees. This is the contradiction of that religion. There is nothing inside their hearts that makes them want to follow the Koran, they just know they have to follow when they are being watched.
So, now you can understand why are an atheist for the Koran and the Ismalic God, you can understand why I am an atheist for the bible and the Christian God. To me, they are EXACTLY the same as the Hindu God/s, the Buddist God, the Norse, Roman, Greek and Egyptian god/gods.
It's religion. ALL RELIGION is baseless gibberish.
Science is based on facts. It has no agenda, no movitation, no beliefs.
@elinikk Hey!!!!!!!! If you are against any lie, then DON'T LIE!!!!!!!!!!
You are not toward the "truth" you are towards YOUR BELIEFS. Your belief is towards just one of thousands of different religions. Agreed. Your religion has no evidence, because you only need "faith". Agreed. If you had evidence, then you wouldn't need faith!
So, don't start crapping on that YOUR belief is truth, and evidence is not truth. This is disingeniuos and a downright lie. You are cripplied in belief.
@elinikk as oppose to what somoene that is completl brainwashed an accept a already made truth, that you cant discuss over, cant argue isnt truth from a 2000 years old book, do you even know, that your cherish beleive in a 6000 years earth dont even come from the bible,2 archbishop in the 16th century calculated this, and you take their words, how stupid is that genesis dont say anything on the age of earth,no number my friend, later on they found out people age in bible were mis translated
@lapmarty The truth is the truth regardless of how old the book is that it came from or from the age of the person that thought it, or form how long ago that they thought of the idea. This is false reasoning and you should be ashamed of yourself to go down this desperate path. The bible was not mistranslated. This is another sorried attempt to belittle something. The bible says in english what it says in Greek and Hebrew.
@Futureplanet I myself also enjoyed studying biotechnology and evolutionary biology and even human anatomy. The arguement is not science verses Christianity, but rather Christianity verses bad science in the form of evolution. evolution is not science!
@elinikk I know you are lying. Anyone that studied these biologies would know about evolution. You didn't even know what a hypothesis was. Liar! And, you're not even scared of your own fairytale hell.
@DCGRUENIG Like the theory of relativity. And the theory of numbers, and the theory of sets. And the computation theory, that I've learned at the university and it's used to build computers. The atomic theory, the cell theory, the chaos theory, the theory of plaque tectonics, the theory of thermodynamics, the theory of electromagnetism, etc.
God dunnit honest!
AndyCielecki 3 days ago
Yes, dinosaurs had cancer Ken. What was your point? You have a problem. No shit.
gregrutz 1 week ago
The New River in West Virginia is millions of years old. Try to disprove that.
curtislow255 1 week ago
It's nice to see that not all the idiots are in America. What kind of logic is he using here!!
dannycdannydo 1 week ago
@dannycdannydo ''What kind of logic is he using here!!''
You didn't realize creatards don't understand logic, that is why they will never understand science.
gregrutz 1 week ago
I think the only curse is Ken Ham
tweekyseagull 1 week ago
Yes Ken you do have a problem.
jemorrismmorris 2 weeks ago
Ken Ham = GIGO
whitesquirrel7 1 month ago
Unless God doesn't exist...
Andromedonian 1 month ago
this is amazing. he basically makes a case against the bible then says its not true because he accepts the word of the bible instead. i mean how can someones mind operate like this? he approaches so closely to the truth yet is capable of completely ignoring it.
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@twiistaaa It is quite simple actually. Ham is deceived by what we symbolically call "Satan". If he understood the Bible better, especially Job, he would never have gotten caught in that trap.
Then the LORD spoke to Job out of the storm. He said: “Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
redddbaron 1 month ago
@twiistaaa Wow, this guy dismantles christianity then discards it all. Is he really a christian or pretending to be?
ultim4t32 2 weeks ago
''Think there was cancer?'' CANCER IS A MUTATION, = EVOLUTION, TARDO CREAT.
balsphinktahr 1 month ago
Billions of years, BILLIONS.
balsphinktahr 1 month ago
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Just to clear things up for my non-christian and atheist peeps out there:
The Bible does not, in any way, explicitly state age of the earth. Ken Ham is welcome to his interpretation, but to make some of the claims they make and then say that you must believe this way or you're compromising God is (biblically) wrong.
If you're an atheist, I invite you to read Genesis for yourself. I know these people are fun to troll and make fun of, but I'd encourage you to know what the Bible has to say
VforVideo 1 month ago
why did god have to punish the poor dinosaurs with cancer?
RunfromtheHeathen 1 month ago
@RunfromtheHeathen that's the dinosaur's punishment for smoking
jimrntx 1 month ago
@jimrntx Thats what they get for being Non God fearing dinosaurs
RunfromtheHeathen 1 month ago
According to Genesis, the fall of man was incited by a serpent (Satan) who tempted Eve to sin. If everything was 'very good' when this happened what is this 'Satan-Snake' doing in the garden?
The world was either perfect, or it wasn't. Right Ken?
Based on this serious flaw in biblical exegesis...Ken goes on to create a straw man argument and runs with it into ad nauseam territory. To suggest that 'Billions of years = God is a sadist prick' is pretty batshit insane.
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@VforVideo It is simple actually. Ken Ham fell for the deception of Satan just as Eve did.
Satan is the personification of deception. (or in this case a combination of serpent and human traits for context in a fable). Satan uses the fallacy of equivocation to trick Eve. Satan has used the fallacy of reification to trick YEC's like Ken Ham.
redddbaron 1 month ago
@redddbaron Are you saying that ANY "literal" interpretation of the creation account in Genesis falls under fallacy of equivocation? (just playing devil's advocate here...pun intended).
VforVideo 1 month ago
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@VforVideo I am saying this:
God - "You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die."
Serpent (Satan) - “You will not certainly die,”
God's meaning is the death of innocence (spiritual death or corruption of the soul). For without knowledge of good and evil there is no sin.
Satan's equivocation is death being physical as if the fruit were literally poisonous.
So you see that the deception of Satan is to take Genesis literal
redddbaron 1 month ago
Amen Ken!!!
You nailed it brother!
jimthebaptist67 1 month ago
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VforVideo 1 month ago
Even a committed christian would have to believe that this bloke is completely crazy.
SuperFrogguts 1 month ago
He's mentally ill.
jisaid08 1 month ago
I honestly have no idea how someone can look at the Grand Canyon and still say the world is 6,000 years old.
drsuny12 2 months ago 2
he's not stupid or brainwashed .. he is evil
boksaboki 2 months ago
So what this man is basically saying is this "when Man sins it wasn't enough to give us all original sin, god felt the need to infect all the innocent animals and plants with the evil that the humans were responsible for because If you don't believe this then you are obviously saying Satan made all those things and that means he can create things too and therefore is on the level with God"
Bleakillusion 5 months ago
I'm a "fundi" Christian and I'm embarrased by this idiot! Ham has no regard for continental drift, geology, astronomy, biology, physics, or science in general. There were always thorns, disease, death, etc. in the world, but it wasn't untill sin occured and Adam was evicted from the garden where things were perfect that he had to deal with them. REAL Science and the Bible need not be in conflict! Google "ANSWERS IN CREATION" and see how the two support one another.
Timbrock1000 5 months ago
@Timbrock1000 they dont your indoctrinated this is the only reason why you beleive this book, the trick is you think you beleive it because you choice to,
but you would be a fundi muslim, if youd be borned in saudi arabia, you would beleive in zeus if youd be borned in greece 4000 years ago,
horus as the exact jesus story, but 3000bc, mithra also, the jesus story was around for a long time, later on the put the 25 december as birthdate,, cause of horus and mithra,its more godlikedont you see?
lapmarty 1 month ago
Oh no! Modern science that is supported by multi disciplines MUST BE WRONG because a bunch of bronze age goat-herders say so?
Lets put this to the test.
You have a pain in your chest would you:
A) Go to your local doctor?
B) Look up a cure from the Bronze age?
If you answer "A" then you believe in the theory of germs & accept Evolutionary Theory that modern medicine is based.
Please give up believing in a bronze age tribal war god called Yahweh because you are afraid to die.
Nilsy1975 5 months ago
My teacher used to say there are always less brilliants in a class. No wonder the likes bar is small.Theists dominate in population to those of Atheists.
ftperror 5 months ago
He's right saying that christians believing in science have a "major inconsistency": It depends on the fact that religious ideas, which was born from a bronze age mindset, are inconsistent with reality, so no rational person could be a christian, without bearing a COGNITIVE DISSONANCE in his brain.
Indeed people need to ignore how reality works, and have no knowledre or understanding about science to be christians.
In other words: only people like ken ham can be "coherent" christians.
FreeSilio 5 months ago
He is too smart to be this stupid.
All the evidence he cites proves science is correct, but he chooses to go with the mythology instead. Religion poisons the rational mind.
DontPanic6X7 6 months ago
The stuff he says at first sounds like an argument AGAINST creationism...and it is.
xtorie 6 months ago 2
Absolute....rubbish
lloydduggan92 6 months ago
And the distance between New York and San Francisco is less than 10 yards. (That's the scale of how wrong these people are who believe in an Earth less than 10 000 years.)
aboyborninjune 7 months ago
Millions? It's BILLIONS, sir.
aboyborninjune 7 months ago
Gravity and relativity are also theories. If your ogd is unable to prevent evil he is no god
debnadaviebna 7 months ago
ignorance is bliss
mandangalo18 7 months ago
i cannot trust a man with hairy cheekys
AboutRoberts 8 months ago
uh carbon dating
starscreamdakmo 10 months ago
I have to stop looking at this stupid idiot, it actually makes my brain hurt when he starts to speak
arklowrockz 1 year ago
Ken Ham says, "...and we have a problem". Yeah....it's called reality. It's a bitch isn't it Ken? Especially when it proves your book of fairytales to a crock of total bull shit
Futureplanet 1 year ago
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There are so many gaps in the Evolution "THEORY" like how all the explanitory fossils haven't been found, I know your all gonna say "but they haven't been looking very long" I don't see how you can be so stupid, There is so much proof against evolution(the ark has been found, the grand canyon).
DCGRUENIG 1 year ago
@DCGRUENIG If there is evidence against evolution how come the Acadamy of Sciences is not aware of any of it? Not finding a fossil is evidence of nothing other than not find a fossil, but the hundreds and hundreds of transitional fossils between almost every class of animal proves evolution, as does genetics, molecular biology and so much more. You can put your head in the sand, it seems to be the only tactic you have to escape the reality of proof.
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@DCGRUENIG "The ark has been founds?" You mean they dug up a wooden boat, with the exact dimensions, with every type of animals crap found and tested with DNA to prove 2 of every species???? OR.....did you find a natural rock formation on a moutain that is boat shaped?
Yeah...we all know the second option. That's cute, very cute. Litte fairy tales must make you hug your teddy bear tight and night and give you comfort.
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@DCGRUENIG "explanitory fossils haven't been found"
They HAVE been found. You'd know that if you'd take your head out of your ass. Just look at tiktaalik, for example.
"the ark has been found"
That was shown to be a hoax a LOOOONG time ago.
"the grand canyon"
The Grand Canyon was formed by water over a long, long period of time. How does that have ANYTHING to do with evolution?
MagicActor1987 1 year ago
The Super Group of rocks is below the level layers of the Grand Canyon. These layers were laid down level, block faulted into mountains, worn flat, and then the Teapeats Sandstone was laid down over it. Then another 5000 feet of sediments was laid down, some wind blown desert sands, some slow growing corals. Then the whole area was raised to 8000 feet above sea level. Finally the canyon was cut by water flowing down hill. How long do you think this took?
gregrutz 11 months ago
Religion is bull. Christianity, Islam, Judeism, the very lot. Anybody who beleives in it are those who descended from people who live in fear of the unknown. If they actually took the time to learn something, they would probably think scientifically. There is more proof of evolution that there is of god. If we where made in his image, why are we not all invisible too? If you want to know about how the universe started and where we came from, watch carl sagans cosmos. If there is a god, it's him.
BankaiNova 5 months ago
WHO WANTS TO FIGHT?!
DelphinusMinor 2 years ago
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DCGRUENIG 1 year ago
I can't believe people follow this man.
schreck425 2 years ago
@schreck425 I can its a fairly easy concept to understand.
ilovethebible1 1 year ago
@ilovethebible1 I didn't mean follow as "understand". I meant it as "take him seriously and believe it".
schreck425 1 year ago
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Ha, Ken Ham is completely right, that's why evolution and the big bang are both theories and shall remain so for eternity.
DCGRUENIG 2 years ago
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jhille85 2 years ago
I'm just gonna assume that you don't really believe this, and that it's a parody of some kind.
Hiddeknight0 2 years ago 2
@DCGRUENIG theories, like the atomic theory (do atoms exist? No one has ever seen one!. The cell theory (do cells exist)? The theory of matter and energy, the germ theory (do germs make us sick, do they really exist, or do demons cause illness? Theory of plate techtonics, what causes volcanoes? It is an angry god or the movement of the earth's plates? It's only a theory right??? WRONG. Scientific theories are based on FACTS. Not opinion or speculation, that is called a HYPOTHESIS.
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@Futureplanet That is why evolution is actually an hypothesis and not a theory. Theory is too high of a level to give it.
elinikk 1 year ago
@elinikk errrr.....no. Fool. It's a very very well established scientific theory with no (hear that..."no" i.e. "none" evidence against it. All genetics and DNA could have disproven it....but it enhanced it. All the genetics fit exactly as it should. THe DNA from extinct animals, the way some genes change through the biological tree, etc. There is hundreds of thousands of pages of scientific research in many many fields of science that ALL support the theory. You are proving ignorant
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@Futureplanet No, (Ad hominen) evolution is not an established theory. Your attacks on me show your lack of reason. We are TOLD that evolution is an establish scientific theory, but this is incorrect. Evolution is not a theory, it is a poorly supported hypothesis at best. evolution is rather a model. DNA and genetics actually disprove evolution.
elinikk 1 year ago
@elinikk Ad hominen....yes, you are right. I am attacking you because you are complete liar. Evolution is an ABSOLUTELY ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC THEORY. NOT, absolutely 100% NOT a hypothsis. ANYONE that says that is either a liar or ignorant. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
You are telling me DNA and genetic disprove evolution is another laugh and lie.
ncbi (dot) nlm (dot) nih (dot) gov/pubmed
Here's the link. Take a search for ANY scientific paper that disproves evolution IN ANY FIELD.
Fricken moron.
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@Futureplanet No, evolution is not a theory, it is an hypothesis. A theory is highly supported in science by facts, but evolution is hypotheis and a poor one at that. evolution only uses science when convenient. Does that sound scientific? No it does not, so evolution is a story of the past, but nothing more. This story of evolution is constantly changing as new evidence disproves it.
elinikk 1 year ago
@elinikk "A theory is highly supported in science by facts"
Correct. Now look up all the evidence we have for evolution. And not on creationist websites, because they have a tendency to not know a damn thing about science.
"evolution only uses science when convenient."
Evolution IS science, it doesn't USE it. You really are retarded.
"This story of evolution is constantly changing as new evidence disproves it."
You know that's how science works, right? But evolution hasn't been disproven.
MagicActor1987 1 year ago
@MagicActor1987 Yes, I know science and evolution, I studied evolution at the University level. evolution is a story that is supported by science when convenient. evolution could possibly be called historical science, but it is not applied science (math, physics, etc.).
I know how science works, or how it is supposed to work. Saddly no evolutionary biologist follows the way science should work!
elinikk 1 year ago
@elinikk "Yes, I know science and evolution, I studied evolution at the University level."
Something tells me you didn't pay attention in class, then. Probably did what you're doing now: sticking your fingers in your ears and singing.
MagicActor1987 1 year ago
@elinikk "I studied evolution at the University level" I don't believe you. I myself am a Christian, and I was a creationist earlier. I know the "arguments" very well. As time went by, I found the "arguments" to be flawed, and I now study evolution. It's actually quite funny how the evidence are EVERYWHERE you look in biology. It's simply fantastic.
I will probably become an evolutionary biologist.
Stinukli 8 months ago
@elinikk "but it is not applied science (math, physics, etc.)" This is not correct. By the way, evolutionary biologists are usually outrageous mathematists, and mathematics confirms to evolution. I'm not sure if I understand your physics caveat, though...
Stinukli 8 months ago
@Stinukli I agree, evolution is not applied science...It is historical science (aka: story telling). evolutionist must be mathematics, because they must believe that the odds, athough impossible, somehow make the impossible possible. evolution is mathematically impossible that is what the evidence shows.
elinikk 8 months ago
@elinikk No, you don't agree. I think you should go read an evolutionary biology textbook or something, because you obviously have no clue about evolution, nor biology in general. Evolution is overwhelmingly documented in any scientific field, from mathematics to phylogeny. The mathematical aspect deals f.x with maximum parsimony, maximum likelihood and statistical significans.
Stinukli 8 months ago
@elinikk *statistical significance
Stinukli 8 months ago
@Stinukli What is your point?
elinikk 8 months ago
@elinikk My point is you're wrong. You're clearly afraid of looking at the evidence.
By the way, I am a Christian. Christianity has nothing to do with denying reality. Creationism is dangerous.
Stinukli 8 months ago
@Stinukli No, I am not afraid at looking at any evidence. I have looked at the evidence and find it lacking. You as a Christian are hampered by believing the lie of evolution. Jesus confirmed a recent creation, Adam, Eve, Abel, Noah, the Flood etc. So, to be a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, you have to deny some of what he said. This type of picking and chosing of the words of our savior is dangerous. You should re-think what you believe and why.
elinikk 8 months ago
@elinikk No, you deny the observable reality, and that is why your interpretation of the Bible can not be correct. God has created the reality; obviously that was the point with God.
There are several reasons, even literal, to think that the Bible is compatible with evolution.
Stinukli 8 months ago
@Stinukli No, evolution is not compatible with the bible. God did create reality and that is why the evidence points to a recent creation. I have a plain or straight forward interpretation of the bible, this is the standard Christian interpretation of the bible. That means we believe what it says. You deny the bible, the teachings of Jesus Christ and observable nature (which is the general revelation of God). It is not reasonable to believe in evolution.
elinikk 8 months ago
@elinikk No, Christians differ vastly in theological issues, and so be it in regards of evolution.
And no, the Bible does not teach anti-evolution. I believe this to be one of the dangerous traps in the category of phariseic deceptions. That many believe it does not mean it is true.
Stinukli 8 months ago
@Stinukli Christianity has vast theological issues because humans continually want to disbelieve God's word and create their own doctrine. evolution is not in the bible and those that coninside a belief in Christianity and evolution must compromise either Christianity or evolution to do so. The bible claims that God created the Universe in 6 days, this is far from the billions of years according to evolution. The bible claims that the earth was created before the sun!, etc.
elinikk 8 months ago
@Stinukli I would rather you believe the bible the create categories of pharaseic deceptions. Jesus was a pharasee, even though he argued with them. John said "...but there standeth one among you (pharasees), whom ye know not...whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose" (John 1:26b, 27b).
Believe what Jesus taught about God and about the truth of Genesis, not some desception by evil men who "...cannot allow a divine foot in the door" (Dr. Richard Lewontin, biologist)
elinikk 8 months ago
@elinikk there is no objectivity at all in any of your position, your indoctrinated, cant you see that?you dont have a choice,it is blasphamy to accept the fact, so your mind, twisted it and go with a fabricated lie, this is indoctrination,
you would be a muslim being borned in saudi arabia,
there is no debate on evolution and the age of the earth, no matter what you read,
chromose 2 bare the mark of the fusion of 2 chromosome, from 24 to 23, from a commeon ancestor of us and chimp,
lapmarty 1 month ago
@elinikk over 150 differents dating method point out at a 4.54 billions years old earth,
if youd bother to study a bit you would have to agree, the evidence is too big, it is embarrasing for you, to admit your wrong i understand, geography, cosmology, genetic all different field, all converge on this, you really have nothing to hide behind, so why dont just accept the truth, why do you have to be stubburn, it dont change anything, your last refuge is on youtube it is kind of a waste of time!
lapmarty 1 month ago
@lapmarty Your assertions are false. The various dating methods do not point to any billions of years. It is just data that is interpreted. You understand only what you are allowed to understand and you only know what you were given. Youtube is not a refuge. I do not know what you are talking about. Christians are everywhere and evolution and billions of years are failing to hold water. You are in the losing side.
elinikk 1 month ago
@elinikk lol laugapable, there is not even a debate about the fact that the earth isnt 6000 years old morons, no university on this planet teaches that for a reason,
go to any universiity science department, and youll see, you have lost but still hang in like a flat earth beleiver,
dating method do pointed out at the age, it isnt interpretation, maybe you should study a bit and stop making a fool of yourself, can you point me out at a dating method that result at 6000 for earth age? please,
lapmarty 1 month ago
@elinikk in order for your fantasy to be truth geology, astronomy, chemestry, even microbiology with genetic, have to be wrong, get real will you, at one point do you stop being stubburn?? i mean do you really thing that all radiometric dating are wrong?? (over 150) do you really also thing that the Standard Candle method for star distance measurement is also wrong??having be proven right?? the simple fact that we know some object are further away then 6000 years old should ring a bell..no?
lapmarty 1 month ago
@lapmarty You mean the truth that I know (not fantasy). There is much good science done in geology, astronomy, chemistry, etc. However, there are many asumptions made that are incorrect. You have a false sence of security with modern science. We do not know as much as you are giving us credit for. To correct your one mistake, a lightyear is a distance not a year. This is confusing for the uninitiated. The Universe is then 94 billion light years in diameter and not 46.5 billion years old!
elinikk 1 week ago
@elinikk are you completly insane, i know about light years, it is the notion of how many km in a years light can do,,,,same as Km/hours, same as any measurement of speed,,,,ultimatly it can also tel you distance, when you use basic logic
something you seem to lack
lapmarty 1 week ago
@elinikk data interpratation,,,are you stupid off course, you got ice layer, 1 per years, you get 43 000 layer, you count them, you conclude with logic, it took 43 000 years to form,,, how is that interpretation this is what you called logic,, if uit was the only way to know, i would tell you sure, there must be other possibility, but the list is so large, only idiot like you refuse to admit the truth because it goes againt their dear religious view,
lapmarty 1 week ago
@lapmarty Yes there is documentation to claim a long age to the universe. I have read much of it. Just because I disagree with much of what has been written does not mean I am embarrassing myself. On the contrary, I have read and have concluded much scientific (pseudo) data to be wrong. Most rely on the same assumption that if we test a rate of something today that same rate can be thrust into the past to extrapolate a date for the beginning of said process. This is false reasoning.
elinikk 1 week ago
@elinikk you idiot layer of ice are made because the earth go around the sun, in one years, even with slight change, the notion of years pretty much stay the same, you cannot change that data, even with a amazing error % it still make millions of years, what do you beleive that years were actually days,,,,,,imagine the speed the earth wouldve goes around the sun,,,your just moronic here sorry and your trolling, who gives a shit your wrong, your opinion dont matter
lapmarty 1 week ago
@elinikk You are living a dream world elinikk. One thing is 100% for sure. YOU know nothing about science.
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@elinikk You are being idiotic. Why?
You are saying evolution is not a theory, and you are alone in the world with this view point. Millions of scientists, professors, teachers, academics (ie. educated people who know the subject), know evolution IS a scientfic theory, because of the tested, measured, evidence that ABOUNDS, in molecular biology, palentology, etc.
Lying is not helping your cause.
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@Futureplanet I am sorry that you know so little of science that you are fooled by the vast amounts of non-existent evidence that proves evolution. you have been decieved and lied too.
I know the truth!
elinikk 1 year ago
@elinikk Interesting. I though my science degree in Biotechnology would have taught me a lot about science, chemistry and evolution. But, if you, who studied nothing, and have no expereience or qualification tell me I know nothing about science, then I am sure you are right, because you have the invisible magic man on your side.
All in your mind?? Nahh.. no way. Millions deluded, just like the Hindus and Muslems?? Nahhh.. yours if the one true religion.
(oh the moronity!)
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@Futureplanet I would hope that your degree would have taught you something. Unfortunately you can't teach someone how to think. Just like the monkey learning sign language, it is useless to the monkey but a neat trick. The same is with many people who graduate from higher learning, they just learn how to jump through the hoops. It does not mean they are smarter then anyone else, just that they spent the money and jumped the hoops. BTW, I have studied at University.
elinikk 1 year ago
@elinikk You are a complete joke. Your ideas are down right moronic. You are clearly uneducated. Aren't you!? Your give away is the continual nonsense you spout. You have no idea on biology, clearly you know nothing about the fossils, about human evolution and the many types of species leading to homo sapiens. You know nothing...i repeat NOTHING about DNA. There is no way you could with what you right. Don't lecure others when you are an uneducated immbelice.
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@elinikk You are not thinking, but spouting what morons like Ken Ham believe. You are told to have "faith" so you do. No thinking required there!! Just believe it....believe it!! Oh Lord.... I believe in you. Show me your wisdom oh your invisibleness. I humble before your willingness to spread cancer upon the earth and your kindess to drown babies and pregnant woman during the flood. PLease let me believe your ancient fairy-tales, because the alternative is to think and learn...beyond me!
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@Futureplanet You are ingnorant of the Bible. I have used my brain to think, you ad hominen attacks and straw man arguements don't work here!
elinikk 1 year ago
@elinikk You are ignorant on the Koran. According to almost a billion people, that is the true word of god. So??? BTW, I am not ignorant of the bible. I went to Sunday school as a child, studied it in a Catholic private school, and went to church for many years until my parents realized it was all ridiculous. You don't have the abilty to evaluate and analysis the Bible as any other book (ie Koran or other book) because your bias in believing it as true.
Besides that you ARE ignorant
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@Futureplanet Go and follow Mohamed and serve Allah then. But the Koran is a useless book of giberish and Alah cannot save. There is no peace in Islam only control. Even the faithful Muslims fast during the day when everyone is watching but they gorge themselves with food at night when no one sees. This is the contradiction of that religion. There is nothing inside their hearts that makes them want to follow the Koran, they just know they have to follow when they are being watched.
elinikk 1 year ago
@elinikk AHH... good answer.
So, now you can understand why are an atheist for the Koran and the Ismalic God, you can understand why I am an atheist for the bible and the Christian God. To me, they are EXACTLY the same as the Hindu God/s, the Buddist God, the Norse, Roman, Greek and Egyptian god/gods.
It's religion. ALL RELIGION is baseless gibberish.
Science is based on facts. It has no agenda, no movitation, no beliefs.
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@Futureplanet I am biased, it is called the truth! I am biased towards the truth and I am against any lie.
elinikk 1 year ago
@elinikk Hey!!!!!!!! If you are against any lie, then DON'T LIE!!!!!!!!!!
You are not toward the "truth" you are towards YOUR BELIEFS. Your belief is towards just one of thousands of different religions. Agreed. Your religion has no evidence, because you only need "faith". Agreed. If you had evidence, then you wouldn't need faith!
So, don't start crapping on that YOUR belief is truth, and evidence is not truth. This is disingeniuos and a downright lie. You are cripplied in belief.
Futureplanet 11 months ago
@elinikk as oppose to what somoene that is completl brainwashed an accept a already made truth, that you cant discuss over, cant argue isnt truth from a 2000 years old book, do you even know, that your cherish beleive in a 6000 years earth dont even come from the bible,2 archbishop in the 16th century calculated this, and you take their words, how stupid is that genesis dont say anything on the age of earth,no number my friend, later on they found out people age in bible were mis translated
lapmarty 1 week ago
@lapmarty The truth is the truth regardless of how old the book is that it came from or from the age of the person that thought it, or form how long ago that they thought of the idea. This is false reasoning and you should be ashamed of yourself to go down this desperate path. The bible was not mistranslated. This is another sorried attempt to belittle something. The bible says in english what it says in Greek and Hebrew.
elinikk 1 week ago
@elinikk ''The truth is the truth'' Did you figure that out all by yourself?
The Egyptians were farming in 6000 BC and went on to build the pyramids, they didn't all die in a flood.
gregrutz 1 week ago
@Futureplanet I myself also enjoyed studying biotechnology and evolutionary biology and even human anatomy. The arguement is not science verses Christianity, but rather Christianity verses bad science in the form of evolution. evolution is not science!
elinikk 1 year ago
@elinikk I know you are lying. Anyone that studied these biologies would know about evolution. You didn't even know what a hypothesis was. Liar! And, you're not even scared of your own fairytale hell.
Futureplanet 1 year ago
@DCGRUENIG Yes, the Theory of Evolution is a Theory and will alway be a theory. It explains how the process of Evolution, a fact, happens.
Geology proves the earth is old.
Astronomy proves the universe is old.
Fossils prove the world is old.
Tree rings go back 13,000 years unbroken.
Open you eyes.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@DCGRUENIG Like the theory of relativity. And the theory of numbers, and the theory of sets. And the computation theory, that I've learned at the university and it's used to build computers. The atomic theory, the cell theory, the chaos theory, the theory of plaque tectonics, the theory of thermodynamics, the theory of electromagnetism, etc.
pedroamaralcouto 6 months ago
@DCGRUENIG gravity is also a theory. Moron ! do you believe in gravity? you're so stupid....
xxtrustxx 5 months ago