Teacher Collective Bargaining - Caroline Hoxby, Ph.D. - Show-Me Institute

[blogegog]

Her eyes are so brown as to appear black. Very pretty.

[nigerachy1]

@MCx10

My issue is not with data but the position that collective bargaining (CB) is the reason behind the failure of the US school system. The notion that CB dictates the rigidity of the manner which children are taught is ridiculous and overreaching. Aspects within it are and may be impediments to bettering the school system, but not CB as a whole. US fails in scope of what we teach in math, science and reading and how we teach it with respect to other industrialized countries.

[MCx10]

@nigerachy1 Your original post was inferring that:  no collective bargainning = poor education performance. I brought up 'data' that shows that argument to be incorrect. The video is not saying that CB "dictates the rigidity of the manner which children are taught". The video states that CB doesn't offer the flexibility to ensure that the BEST teachers are in the classrooms. If we don't have the best teachers school output suffers and we'll always fall behind other industrialized countries.

[nigerachy1]

Then why the hell are the states that outlaw collective bargaining ranked no higher than 44th when it comes to SAT/ACT scores?

[MCx10]

@nigerachy1 SAT/ACT scores is not a good way to measure state-level public school achievement. It doesn't take into account participation rate, ethnicity and other socioeconomic factors, and attendance at private vs. public school. When you use NAEP data, WI, (ranked #2 in ACT/SAT scores) compared to non-collective bargaining states (TX, VA, SC, NC, GA), comes out as average performer for white students; below average for Hispanic students, and an absolute disaster for black students.

[MCx10]

National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) is the most comprehensive, comparable and detailed data available for US education performance.

[jonboede]

@nigerachy1 Google "iowahawk badgering the witness" for a full statistical discussion that demonstrates why, and look up "Simpson's Paradox" for a better understanding of statistics.

[nigerachy1]

@jonboede

don't even try that BS. Already took Engineering Statistics (Biomedical Engineer). You throw out SImpson's Paradox as the cornerstone of statistics, which it IS NOT. Throw up Baye's Theorem maybe. Pertaining to the discussion AT HAND, their is a false assumption that the bureacracy which encumbers and hinders the school system is the majority byproduct of CB of teachers. And it's not. Take a look at the state level.

[huntinforit]

These teachers are generating the lowest grade of graduating students in the free world. Rewarding them further with the Unionised ,bullying results of collective bargaining is just plain stupid. The taxpayers are a pretty stupid lot though, since they got their education from these same money grabbing teachers..hmmmm