we assume that is equal, as it can be, but biology will never be). Besides you do make good points, it's just kind of silly to straight up say females can completely surpass males, because those that do exceed are few and far between. FOr example but Myriam Lamare (who I take to be one of the best female boxers) and put her up against Muhammad Ali and guess what? He will knock her out with one jab xD (exaggerated I know lol)
Guys...I have been saying this entire time that women CAN be as strong as men, its just harder if they both train equally because of the male anatomy. The only thing I am debating is the whole a female can be stronger than ANY male part, because to be honest, while there might be a handful of females that are very strong, get a male of similar experience and she won't even show up on the scale. If we are making unbiased and equal comparisons, then biology tends to take over, not skill (because
unfair advantage even over women of the same weight group. Its just how we are built. I don't see how you can argue over this. You master class thing makes you sound like hitler claiming he is part of a master race or something (not saying you are racist, just drawing on a similar sounding argument).
@wldkng14 *Facepalm* Another one that hadn"t read my previous comments and contredict himself. Very well. Because you have'nt understood the concept of the 100%, let beguin with the concept of the training. You've statuated in your last comment that anyone can become strong. True. Even a woman. In fact, a woman with a huge amount of training will beat a common man, or even a train but less man. It is just a matter of training. I dare you to beat Myriam Lamare.
@wldkng14 But the subject I was saying wasn't that, it was about the master class. What is master class. Master class is a state you reach after decades of training in martial arts, where you reach near the 100% in every factors related to fighting. It has nothing to do wioth black belt. Black belt is achive just after 5 years. The problem for a woman in such class is that, compared to a man, she will not be able to fill the gap of strength because the men is trained to his limits too.
@wldkng14 If you want more information just read my previous comments in the previous debat. Like this, you will understand better what I was saying, and you will not confused me with the one saying that girls can be as strong as man, in the master class I precise.
Oh and your master class, superhuman abilities, and black belt level comment made me laugh...hard xD Anyone can train to become strong, genes only determine initial size and positioning of muscles and bones (and their densities/flexibility). So genetic makeup won't stand in the way of someone who wants to become strong/athletic. Besides the best proof against your argument is martial arts itself. Why are women and men separated? Cause their potentials are completely uneven. Men would have an
@wldkng14 no women can became stronger than men but when women makes the same training as men. men is stronger for women its harder to take so much and her body is not stronger than mens weight is 100 kg but womens 60 even in the same age why? there is a lot of factor i i speaking the normal not fat or skyny but normal peaople women cant be strionger than men but nowdays man are mor like women skiny and weak and women like men stroong muscule and so on. its just a nature who made this
street and the average woman and the man will surpass the woman in all athletic ability besides maybe flexibility. Men are MADE to be strong. How are you coming up with these facts of yours? I have a feeling you just want to feel intelligent or something. Hint: using crap you pull out of thin air and adding decent vocabulary means nothing.
@wldkng14 not inteligent made strong women can be stronger than men and smarter. but men in nowdays are weakling so women are stronger thats all men are siting playing ps3 xbox and so on. no training but if you know biology so vel :D why mens weight are biger ? right now i am 75 and my man is 60 but she is biger and fat why? because mens musculs are stronger size can be the same but how much men can take is other if you can pik up 100 kg 2 times men can 3 if he is training :)
@Sadoruro you are full of fail :| no offense but this mater class stuff is complete crap. Go on ANY site on the planet and look up what they say about the male and female anatomy and the different hormones and their levels. I have no idea what you are smoking, but you can be a level 10 black belt in whatever have you and it wouldn't make a difference, cause this is biology, not fighting techniques. Can you explain this master class stuff? Cause I will bet my life take the average man on the
@xxgdlxx The one who is retarded is the one who haven't understood that this was not about fighting but about exchanging idea in a debat, mutualy enhance our comprehension of the subject. And for a foreign man like me, a very interresting way to do progress into a foreign language. What is retarded to, is those one who feel the need to come and deal with that debate that doesn't concern them by giving arguments that we already dealt with a long time ago, and saying that is a fight.
@xxgdlxx In fact, no, it hadn't a critical effect; It is just that I can't prevent myself to come put jerks to the place they deserve by destroying them with word, even more when they come with such racist, nazist comments on the invalid sportmen running the special olympics by defined them as retarded.
What about this, either stfu and give comments ABOUT the fucking music, Or take your women vs men crap somewhere else. This crap has gone on long enough -.-'
@starzerg96 And if that doesn't please you, you're totaly allow to just listen to music and do not read comments; Comments are far lower than the video, when peoply say that comments prevent them to enjoy the video, it is just total crap said because they do not have any arguments left.
@starzerg96 You've done reading my comments and you confused me with the one who said that the women member of the population that can reach the master class can be as strong than men ?
And you haven't understand anything ? Or just that you will feel the need to come here and statuate like a knight on his horse that you will bring the truth to us shit ?
Fail kid, fail. Now, we were having a pleasant debat between adults, exchanging ideas, before you've ruined it. Then go back play.
@Sadoruro To end it all, look under me and you will see lots more of people having almost the same idea as me. That your a complete ass trying to sound smart.... Now, go play smartass with 5year olds since the rest of us are way to smart for you to begin with. Congratz! you just made yourself look not only fucking stupid, but also like a complete jackass.
@starzerg96 Hum... hillarious. It is not because there is 2 persons that came and says non-sense and wrong things like you that make the whole of you right and clever. Plus, you just proove your incapacity to invent insult and bullying speach by taking my "child" way to beat you (you just stole my "kid, go back play, adults are speaking here").
You could have look smarter by just stop speacking, but no, you just came ridiculise you again. Congrats ^^ Oh, you ended nothing btw ^^
@Sadoruro Not really.... its pathetic how you think that those simple ass comments are owning anyone. Iv used those long before you even started walking missy. Here is a little advice, come up with something original and not some last minute crap thinking you will look smart..... just pathetic to be honest -.-
And by the way, its spelled *speaking* and *Ridiculous*..... Making all your arguments INVALID!
@starzerg96 Man, you're a complete fail. First, learn to count the number of comment, you'll see that I start before -.-. Then if you learn to read, you'll see that on the comments below, everyone is now saying the same thing that I said. After, you just have a personnal grief against me, but you're not able to destroy me by your pathetic insult. You're not even giving argument now, you just insult me and saying that what I say is crap.
And finaly, saying that grammar make and argument invalid
@starzerg96 is the last stand of the ones that have no argument left to give and feel cornered and beaten. Then please, be kind with yourself, just stop speaking and just saying that what I said is crap. Or at least give a reasonable and true argument if you want to continue.
@Sadoruro I stopped taking anything you said seriously when you failed to spell speaking and ridiculous... and now after i used pathetic your using it? Nice one.... really -.-
And that strong reaction that you gave to my comment only proves i'm right.
Your argument is still ---> invalid, Don't like it, your problem.
@starzerg96 Just lol xD You're not even knowing the rules of an arguments, you statuate things without giving any arguments or exemple to enhance them, you're all arguments is on my grammar, and you come say that I'm stupid, and what I said is invalid xD Man just return to college xD
Oh, and if you thought that I got a strong reaction..; no I'm not going to put myself at such a low level xD And if you thought that was a strong reaction... you're wrong xD
@Sadoruro If your so put on not being on my level... why the hell are you still arguing with me? Exactly -.-
All you do is give shit opinions and act smart. over half you said was complete bullshit...
And now your going at xxgdlxx? Now everything makes sense... a troll with garbage opinions, who cant spell for crap, and a attention whore at that. People like you make me sick -.-
@starzerg96 Answer to somone who is talking shit and wrong about you is not putting myself on his level, it's just answering. Use the same shit insult that him is, that's why I don't insult. Go learn the life please -.-
I don't come here give my oppinion to you and act smart; In fact for you I'm just coming here to destroy everyone of your affirmation each time.
xxgdlxx made a far racist/naist comments about retarder persons on the special olypimcs. He deserved to be put right in place.
@xxgdlxx No, using the fact that people who win the special olympics are retarded because of their invalidity and compare us to that makes you be racist and nazist. Don't misanderstood.
@xxgdlxx That is totaly stupid, I born before you. Plus all I said was totaly logic and do not suffer any kind of crap. I respect the fact that you feel cornered and try in final to say that was I said is crap, but don't bother you, everyone here will understand that I beat your stupid comment.
@xxgdlxx Man, dont waste your time on this low life. Not worth it, ignore her comments and stop giving this troll attention and she will go away and bug someone else. Her points where just proven wrong, she will now give some lame ass shit about what i'm wrong about etc and then give you some lame ass shit to make herself look good. There 's a cookie in it for ya ;D
@xxgdlxx@xxgdlxx Me too. But what I like the most is arguying with people that said that I'm am stupid, or a crap, and I destroyed them with logic and argumentation, and they feel beaten then they try to insult me. And then someone from the outside come and proof that for someone reading it, I'm not the troll at all, and say that the other one is stupid xD
@starzerg96 Think what you want, but to not be able to understand and be proud of your mistake just show everyone that you put yourself deeper and deeper xD
@Sadoruro you really do suck at spelling... Oppinion? wow really... *OPINION*
Stop embarrassing your... Okay, ill make your crap about this Women vs men crap end.
UFC fighter Brock Lesnar, put any women you want against him or any other UFC fighter and the result will be that the women will be KNOCKED OUT. Master level crap? NO, not really... and you dont insult? BULLSHIT! such a fucking lie you pulled there... haven't used an insult my ass -.- Its in every freaking comment you make!
@Sadoruro Your so full of shit, its not even possible... Talking to you is like telling a tree to move. And Special Olympics, YES they are retarded. That's the truth. So what? He made a little joke, like you've never made one or called someone retarded. And don't you dare say you haven't. cause no one will believe that crap. They are retarded, they cant help it. Why deny it?! Nazis see themselves and the ''race'' better then the others. We humans are all Nazis! We see ourselves as the perfect ->
@Sadoruro as the perfect race on this planet. If someone kills a dog does he get prison? Like hell he would. If he pushed someone down 2-3 stairs and the man/women would be hurt he would get prison. We don't care what happens to any other race the our own. Same thing with Nazis, if a German got hurt by a Jew or another Nazi HE would be the one to blame, it a Nazi shot or hurt someone who wasn't a German he would be praised. So stop your fucking crap and learn to face facts dickhead.
@starzerg96 Put my old karate teacher, a woman, 5th dan;, again brock lesnar, he will take a kick to groin even before have land a single puch. Just because my master is far more skilled than him 'cause of her 30 years of training. Since Borck has just strength but almost no technique, a woman still can compare.
After that no, I haven't call anybody retarded ever. Plus, special olympic sportsmen are not retarded. Retarded is a mental pathology, and special olympic is about physical invalidity
@starzerg96 Nazi saw themself as the best race, but a dog is not a human race. A dog is another species,. Racism is about claiming that one human race is better then the others. Human privelegies their species instead of dog cannot by called racism. But Nazis also killed invalid people during the war because they were a weigth for the society.
@Sadoruro You destroyed jackshit.... And you that karate teacher of yours, she going to be knocked out. CLEAN K.O. Brock lesnar isn't a UFC champion for being a weakling you dumbass, he got speed, power and he got technique cause as i said hes a UFC champion, pure strenght wont take you far in the UFC. Kick to the groin before landing a punch.... my later statement and i quote ''You are a troll''. I rest my case, going any further with you about this is defiantly a waste of my time.
@Sadoruro But putting dumbass'es like you in their place is fun way to entertaining. How you go on and on abut your crap logic. You gave the dumbest explanation ever, Go look Brock Lesnar up. Seams you have no fucking idea of what your talking about. AND, we said who i stronger. Men or women, since brock really is stronger in terms of lets say arm wrestling then you just proved me right and the bullshit you said before it crap. Men are stronger then women and you last comment proved me right.
@Sadoruro *because my master is far more skilled than him 'cause of her 30 years of training.* We said said who is stronger in terms of power, not skills or any of that crap.
Im talking to a fucking idiot here.... Give up already -.- I just proved your points worthless, i just proved men are stronger in terms of power. and your logic about your old teacher against brock is just fucking stupid. what where you smoking when you wrote that... Really, that proved how retarded you are.
@starzerg96 Ok, now I'm laugthing out xD You said that the subject was that man are stonger in strength that woman, but since the beguining, the subject isn't that ! xD The subject was to debat about the fact that when a man reach the 100% in all factor (skill, strength, speed, strategy, etc...) matching with fighting, a woman her will be able to reach the 100% too but not in strength, where she can't feel the gap. But it was only for that case of people ! And I've never said that the subject
@starzerg96 was a pure strength contest xD You've come here by saying that you will end the discussion, but in fact you're inventing your own subject xDDDDD
After that, if you truly, truly, truly think that Brock Lesnar is a talented fighter, you should realy realy realy try to enter the true world of martial arts, because compared to a true martial artist, Lesnar is just a giant throwing beguiner hook punch with a lot of power, but that is all. Every martial artist I know, from karate
@starzerg96 Muay Thai, Ju-Jutsu, MMA, everyone is agreed on this. And a lot of them are professional or high graded. Plus, keep in mind that MMA is an entertainment, all is about a show give to public. In a true martial art fight, like those one you can see on JKA, fight last 15 sec and end with a KO, because their are such skilled that that hit a vital point such vulnarable that it could KO even a giant like Lesnar, with true speed. But is public will enjoy that kind of show; No. Then no
After that, I don't see your arguments. You're not giving anyone, just saying that what I'm saying is crap or critict my grammar, but you're giving no arguments. Since almost the beguining you're trying to make me pass for a troll, but you're not even giving arguments and all what you say is just destroy by my own argumentations. When will you understand that everyone reading this will understand that you are the troll ? More, I'm using a quite
@starzerg96 high level language, and do not insult you or making crap of you. I'm just contering what you said with a logical argumentations. But you, you still insult me or trying to make me pass for the troll withj such an agressive or even insulting language. How can you hope that people will think I'm the troll between the two of us ?
@starzerg96 Proof, there even someone that was totaly out of the conversation that came answer to your comment and sayong that you are stupid. Like I said, people who read that from the exterior quickly understand that you are the chairfighter here.
@Flamingguts Free insult like that won't be taken in count unless they are matched with a logical arguments. May I know why you said me that I'm stupid ?
really giving it their all. We are two parts of a species and cannot survive without the other. All this nonsense is just that, pointless talk. And very nice song :D
@wldkng14 You do not end anything, in fact what you says in wrong in the world of martial arts and it is a low level reasoning; You forgot about a lot of factor such as talent, such a genetical build, etc. I know some gyus that even with life of training in strength will never reach the level of a talented woman because their genetic is made to make them be weack. What you said is only true for the population who can reach the master class, but take a master class female and a normal..
@wldkng14 man, the female will be astonishing stronger than the male. Then before coming here and says you will end thing by giving a yellow belt level reasoning, just growth a little more as a martial artist and try to enter our world of physical proweness and quest of surper human abilities. Maybe when you will have do that, your reasoning will be enougth true for us to approve it.
@Sadoruro And really... all your doing right now is giving crap reasons to make you look like your right... your explanations is pure crap -.- his/her comment was head on the nail. And stop making woman look 100times better the men. THEY AREN'T, same goes for men they arent better then women. So stop you low ass comments and enjoy the damn music!
intensity at the same time, YES the man will experience more growth in strength, simply because his body is made for that. So enough of this men vs women crap. We are in the 21st century (though it doesn't seem to make much of a difference for most). Facts are facts and opinions are opinions. Men are made to be stronger, but that does not mean women can not be as strong, or even stronger than men. As a matter of fact it would be harder for them, showing that those who do work out/train are
more of an inclination to be more on the offense while at work or conversing or anything for that matter. So yes, men are GENETICALLY made to be stronger and fight. It is how our species runs. The men are the protectors and providers for the family. That is not to say that women are not strong. That is very close minded and stupid. They hold different responsibilities, and so their bodies are made to deal with things such as child birth. If a man and a woman were to start working out at the same
Ok let me end this now. I don't usually partake in these debates but hell it seems like people just talk out of their ass sometimes. Men have FAR more testosterone in them than females (which is why we are guys. If we weren't exposed to the hormone as much we would be females.) Now testosterone is responsible for muscle growth and strength, and also has the psychological effects of making one more aggressive (not like get up to someone and beat em up aggressive,
Guys fight ALOT more then girls does. Our minds are by instinct set on fight whenever you can. Now some girls might have that as well but lets say a guy and girl goes start working out. Same amount of time etc. The guy will become stronger since mens bodys are by nature built to fight making it easier and for us to build strength. Im not saying girls are weaker! all im saying it that men are more of the *BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYONE!* then girls are =p
@starzerg96 What you says is wrong and is a low level reasoning. You cannot generalyse this to all men and women, because women can have more fighting spirit than men, and because you forgot the factor of talent, the one that make your training more optimised thus more efficient. What you says is only true for the population that have the genetics and the talent to reach master class, but it is rarer than diamond, thus you can't make a general saying.
@Sadoruro So, lets look in general here. Ill agree you got a lot of points. But lets look in general, how many times do you see guys fight? You see it almost everyday. Now lets look at girls. How often you do see girls fight with the hands? Not as often as you would see a two guys fight. When men grow so does our strength since we are mostly made to fight. Not every guy has it but that last thing *Master level* is pure crap... Genetics can have a big impact and thats it why men are stonger ->>
-->> Cause or genetics are made to give us more strength then women FOR the exact reason to FIGHT. Look at how the male and female bodys are build. You will find it that mens bodys are much bigger then the females, WHY? Cause of our freaking muscles. Not every guy will be like that but MOST of them are. Women aren't in the same position like they where 100years ago. Men need woman, woman need men. Thats all there is too it. I cant survive without women, since its the biggest reason i'm alive.-->
@starzerg96 Want a high level answer? Then here it is. You cant do crap without men and men cant do crap without women. Thats the bottom line here, any guy that says men are better then woman is just a complete idiot. the same for woman's that say men are useless.
@starzerg96 I just laugth at your "high level" answer. You haven't even understood that we weren't speaking of the general case but of a far specialised case. More of that, apparently you come to comment and jugde but you obviously haven't read the past comments, because I was the one that defended the fact that for the population that can reach master class, men will always be stronger than women unarmed. Plus, you're talking about general as I was talking about a tiny population...
@Sadoruro -sneaks in conversation- Women are smarter :D Brains always beat dick n muscle. Besides women have found ways to manipulate men! Why do you think sex sells? We figured 50% or more of the male population thinks with their little head XD lol n what's funny is that you can't deny it! All you can do is come up with some BS on how I'm a sexist bitch! So stop picken on this person n go troll somewhere else where no one cares about your existence!
@ralola1 women are not smarter neather the men its just in how hard you tray to learn math and that all (example)so many men ar thinking with there dick? why? becaude they live averega llifes and dont whana anything else why? beccaues evryone cant be so supersmart you lack of knowlege how world is build sick me . men and women are both smart its just more young men are smoking drinking and smoking weed and they are stupid the trow away tyhere lives for just party all day and so on
@ralola1 Completely fail. I'm gay. Plus, for a true martial artist, sex is truly a non interresting things. That is just the common human that are manipulated by sex. When you deserve your life to effort, strenghten your willpower by a incredible amout of workout, it will be a miracle that you will be manipulated by something as trivial than sex. You truly don't know well martial artists, don't you ? And then you dare speak about intelligence ? How fail...
@starzerg96 Sorry to dissapoint you, but that is not you who decide; If you want to judge me and tell me what I said was crap, at least you have to come on my field of discussion, and not settle your one.
Plus, what you said doesn't match the discussion; Here it is not about "most man", it was about "the population that can reach the 100%".
Then, kid, before trying to say me what to do, start by training your body, soul and brain, because you need more comprehension skills.
The hell? I scroll down to see comments about how awesome Erza is and all I see is a discussion about the strength of women? Wasn't the whole point of this being here to enjoy the song for without a doubt the greatest characters to ever exist? Who cares what gender they are? Being female just makes her beautiful, and if she was a guy she'd be handsome.
@shogungari Sooo. . . I checked the "see all comments" . . .there's over 100 posts on this debate. Dunno why people can't use umm what's it called again? Oh right! messages!
Haha!! this is still on-going... actually i'm amused seeing peoples conversation like this...I mean it doesn't end so easily and i like your thoughts about fighting just seeing your comments make me learn...
My Master also taught me by not being serious all the time... He tells us that it is for us to not be afraid of him and because of that, he was like my second father(same name as my father O.O).
Well, i hope you guys get over this arguement/conversation or whatever it is in good terms...I'm not actually in thins kind of Conversation but i did it in the honor of my Master
P.S. I wrote this while listening to the music and looking at Erza XD... Fairy Tail FTW!!!
@brootch999 You're having a "normal leveled reasoning", it doesn't apply to those who have reach the masgter class. If your master where truly a "master" he should have teach you all of that already. But I'm sorry for your lost.
After, bringing here the subject of emotion, you're trying to bring a debat on the Sei and Dô way of fighting, but this is pointless. Just know that almost half of the population of true martial artist are not affected by emotion during a fight (the Sei, to simplify)...
@brootch999 ... the others ones know how to use them to strengthen themself, but don't misanderstood, it is all about control, they use them but aren't overcome with it.
But that's not the subject, Of course when I speak about strength in master class I've already include in my mind the specification of those two way of fighting, but because it doesn't change the result and it will just bring confusion, I didn't spoke about it.
If you combine all of those, there appears the "Strength" both from your Feelings and Mind which is enough to overpower human strength.
Well, that's what my Master, -a man who does not use skills in a pointless combat but rather for self defense- has taught me. Too Bad, He was too old when he taught me so now i think you can guess what happened to him...He did a great job training me with Discipline and Self-Control
Also, there's "Emotion"... just like "Will", the more emotion you have, the stronger you get. However, we should not let this overcome us cause it will be the very cause of defeat...
There is also "Adrenaline". If you're the Man in this Woman vs. Man fight you would feel superior, causing you to have NO FEAR. If you are the Woman, you would feel down because just like @Sadoruro said, men are Superior than Women(kinda agree with that). That Fear would be the trigger to "Adrenaline"
The topics here, from Erzas armor in the picture> Fighting > theories > levels...come on, I THINK(i repeat i THINK) not all things can be solved by force.Just like what @JFate2590 said, there are techniques used by using the opponents force against him. However, people(on real life AND EVEN ON ANIME) says that the loser is no the one who falls first but the one who never gets back up. By that, all of us should know that anything is possible if you have the WILL...
I really don't get all the talk about the fighting nonsense, man or woman have the same chance of winning a fight, they have the same chance of living and dying, the probabilities and theories are worth nothing when a real fight is happening, even less depending of the situation of the fight.
@Argentknight16 Please dude just go back playing instead of comming saying your low leveled theories about fighting, we're trying to get a serious talk here.
@Sadoruro That is intresting "a serious talk", I would love to see you using those theories in reality but whatever, if you make your self feel better by proving something with probabilities knock yourself out. And don't call what I said a theory.
@Argentknight16 Oh man please, I'm trained and I fight for 19 years, one of my two only precoupation in my life (after friend and family) is to trained and grow for real fight and true martial arts.
I used theories in reality a lot lot of time. It works a lot, it is just you common peaople that doesn't know how to put it in a fight.
@Sadoruro And it is obvious you need more training, if being a martial artist and have trained with a good master makes you think so high of yourself as to consider others inferior to you. I also had a master, the difference is that he was a jerk that hit you with a metal stick everytime you did something wrong and never thought us anything but respect him and pay him...But if you think like that you need to go back and retake your lessons, especially on humility.
@Argentknight16 I was maybe a little rude because of the contexte and the incapacity of the other to accept to understand what I say, but that doesn't make what I've said wrong. You come with a moralised theorie about fighting that is just low leveled and try to impose them as a reality. I answered you that it is not like that the true world of fighting works. There is no lack of humility, since nothing is invented (see the definition of humility).
@Sadoruro And there you are blindly protecting yourself again...Humility: "the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc." I didn't came here to impose my theory, since in the first place I have none. I don't really even care a little for what you are talking about here, I just think you are taking fighting as something far too numerical. And another thing, Why are you having this argument of yours in a Fairy tail music video??.
@Argentknight16 Yeah, thus I don't see where is the lack of humility since I just came here to explain true fact I got for a sure source.
You came here to say "don't deal with theori it doesn't work on a real fight". This is where I said that is was a low level reasoning.
I'm not taking fighting way to numerical, I'm taking numerical examples in order to simplify and explain my point of view. But I'm starting to think that people can understand, but just don't want to.
@Argentknight16 I'm not mad about dealing with it, it doesn't bother me. And in now particular way the comments alter the quality of the video, then won't stop that debat ^^
@Argentknight16 Knock myself out... ? I think that you're misled. But anyway, I'm french, thus this debat make me improve my english, and train me to explain my ideas, and confort the hypothesis I make but confronting it to otherones. This is a good way to pass time yes you're right.
Fact. Strength is not determined by sheer size of Muscles nor is it determined by birth. True strength comes from within each person. A drive of determination and willingness to never bow down, never break, fall or show weakness.
@Awesomenessnoob Fact. Stength is determined by that capacoty of your nevous system to contract your muscle, by the strength of your muscle, and by your lever actions.
I'm not speaking of willpower or anytbhing, Im' speaking of physical strength. You can have all the willpower you want, you will never deadlift 1500 pound, seriously.
Women are not inherently weaker than men. Martial Arts. Though it takes shape in many different forms, it has been recognized as being created by a japanese woman who was basically enslaved by her Master. They came to an agreement, In one week the much smaller woman would fight her Master for freedom. In one week of training she developed the earliest for of Martial Arts and overwhelmed her Male Master.Woman can be just as strong as men if not stronger.Even with training, a man could still lose
Too be fair people, muscle mass does not translate perfectly to fighting prowess. Muscle mass is directly beneficial in specific instances, like weightlifting and some sports, but that does not mean it provides a complete advantage in every physical field. A female warrior could be as skilled as a male one, or more, and easily make up for that advantage. Every martial art, even the most simplistic, has long accounted for the brute-strength-and-weight strategy.
@JFate2590 In fact no truly. What you says is true for low to high level of skilled. But when you go beyond that, on the world of true warrior skill, women will alway the lower hand. They lack of physical strength and resistance that men have. That is why for a women to be more powerfull than a man, she have to overhelm him in skill. But when the amount of training is the same, men will always be more powerfull. Resistance, striking force, speed... all what include the body will be lower.
@JFate2590 In fact I was speaking about martial arts and duel-like unarmed fight. Not speaking about knight or something else.
In fact, the armed martial arts is the only valuable option for a woman to match a man, because of the power of the weapon itself. It reduce the gap between the two gender.
But in unarmed martial arts, the skillest woman with no strenght won't win a common skilled warrior that got a hight strength, because her strike will be unneficient.
@JFate2590 But there is a thing that you didn't apparently know, that when you go further in training that an high level, entering the expert class and after master class, there is no more such thing that valuable.. Thinking that skill is more valuable than strength is a high level oppinion, but when you enter expert and master class, you will understand that EVERYTHING is valuable. You have to devellop everything to its extreme, skill or strenght. And because woman can't match man in strenght
@JFate2590 They start with an awfull low point. In fact, if both devellop all their skills to the extrem, they will both be as skilled, but the man will remain stronger.
@Sadoruro All you could fairly argue is that a woman will on average have the lower hand in strength. Since fighting prowess cannot be translated perfectly from body strength, and body strength is certainly not the dominate factor in prowess, it is completely unsound to argue that a woman could not be a greater fighter than a man. It is ludicrous to so easily subordinate skill to strength. That is the dominate aspect in the most petty of street brawls, not between two martial artists.
@JFate2590 This oppinion is just good for high level fight. But in fact, take a master class woman and a master class man. They both have devellop their body to the limit it could reach. Unfortunately, the man and woman will be as skilled, etc. But the fact is that the strenght of the man remain greater naturaly. That is why without weapon to feel the gap, thus unarmed, man will remain better fighter. After that said, with a weapon, a woman can be as strong, even if there still is a little gap
@Sadoruro I certainly would say strength is a valuable asset, and arguably a greater one most of the time, however you cannot say it is the ultimate determining factor. For example, two men face off, one incredibly skilled, though less massive, in a soft hand martial art, like those common in the East, and a massive individual skilled in boxing; you cannot say that though they have equal training and one has a stronger physique the boxer will necessarily win. Muscle mass can only be...
@Sadoruro considered the deciding factor so long as you consider fighting to ultimately be, a contest of body strength. If one has to add skill, intelligence, agility, combat style and equipment (personally I don't the unarmed/armed issue isn't significant, as a woman's opponent could be equally armed) then a definite advantage in only one area cannot be considered to be a "meta-advantage" between any two or more warriors, regardless of gender...
@Sadoruro (so long as we are saying natural physique is the issue, your arguments should hold between two men of differing build, as well). Good examples of this, on a large and small scale are: the armies of Alexander, Muhammad Ali, Bruce Lee, Manny Pacquiao, half the martial art schools ever, and virtually any fight ever recorded.
@JFate2590 You haven't understand or read what I wrote before. I'm not speaking of a warrior that got skilledand another one that got strenght, etc, I speaking about master that have devellop their martial arts and their body to their limits reachable.
In fact, taking two man of different stature that have reach their limits, maybe the smaller one will compensate what he loose in strenght by agility, and vice versa. Their global level will stay the same.
@JFate2590... They lack of physical strenght and that lack isn't compensate by a anything on the martial world. That is why, when you took a woman that have reach her limits and a man that did the same, the man will remain better, because is he equaly agile, equaly skilled, etc..; but have an advantage on brute strenght. And that count a lot.
@Sadoruro I fully counted the idea that this is between two fighters who have trained themselves to their utmost, that includes style and physical fitness. Ultimately, there are numerous ways to compensate for a disadvantage in every field due to the massive number of variables that enters into even the most structured fight. If someone has trained themselves in an manner to fight against larger, stronger opponents, then their style and their skill in that style could give them...
@Sadoruro ...a significant advantage over a larger, lumbering opponent, even if it means they must avoid a"shoving match". It should be irrelevant which gender terms we use, so long as what we have been discussing is the advantage given by natural physique, as this should hold true between an average woman and an average man as well as a less-massive-man and a more-massive-man. I certainly wouldn't argue that natural physique is not a considerable advantage, but any physical...
@Sadoruro ...activity is not a.weight contest between muscle-heavy individuals, rather they involve a diverse number of factors which explains why Olympic medals are not handed out to the most fit person in every field without any competition. This is even more true for one the most multivariate of any contest, combat. If human contest was like a video game where stats were flung at each other with the highest gaining dominance your argument would hold, but ultimately real-world...
@Sadoruro ...scenarios involve so many factors that it is careful negotiation of these factors that leads to victory or defeat. At most I think one could claim that, on average, women entering the world of martial arts (male majority) will usually be at a disadvantage when contesting men in muscle strength, which will translate to a much more difficult time in learning how to overcome this and an average lesser fighting prowess. I do not think one can claim, however, that when all...
@Sadoruro ...is said and done, a woman could not prove to be a better fighter due to one natural disadvantage (which is similarly diverse in men) that does not always play into other areas such as talent, reaction speed, intelligence, experience, equipment, and perhaps most importantly the incredible diversity of fighting styles which take advantage or disadvantage of these factor in the practitioner and their opponent, as well as the multitude of other factors in each situation.
@JFate2590 You're writting way way way to much on a subject I wasn't even speaking about. You going very very far but not in the good direction :/ Try to summerise...
You haven't still understand. Im' not speaking of someone trained to fight against larger opponet, I speak about someone trained to fight against everykind of opponent, because it devellop his martial arts to its limits.
Stop using "if someone trained.." or "if someone better in strenght...". No. Take two male, trained to ...
@JFate2590 ... theirs limits in any physical or martial subject that scale for fighting. Between two males, the smaller will with no doubt compensate his lack of strenght by a plus on agility, ok. Like in martial arts, maybe the smaller will be trained on a martial arts allows him to better use his agility, and the other one on a martial arts thought to delivery more powerfull attack.
Thus, with those compensation, the global level will remain the same for the two in fact.
@JFate2590 But now take a woman trained to its limits. She will be as skilled as the other, as agile, but the fact is that there is a huge gap in strength.
That gap include that she can't compensate it with other things, thus her global level is lower than the males' one.
But there is in fact two solution to counter that. The first is to pick a weapon. By picking a weapon suited to her, the woman will fill the gap of strenght because on her attack, she will add the power of the weapon.
@Sadoruro So two men, despite difference in natural physique (which you have established as something that cannot be overcome across genders) can make up for this difference by focusing on other areas. However, this cannot be done by women due to the very same difference? Or is it that men can overcome natural differences in build, but that is unique to the male half of our species? I cannot help but think that you are not arguing that because of the importance of natural physique...
@Sadoruro ...in combat, women can never be as proficient as men as warriors (a valid, if quite debatable argument) but rather are using an old views of gender segregation in physical arts as a conclusion with references to views on female physical prowess, but not a logical progression of these factors towards the conclusion. If I have misunderstood your argument here then I apologize, but I don't see how your premises lead to your conclusion. While...
@Sadoruro ...of course there are no physical arts that don't use strength, there are many that do not focus on it as a primary means of defeating one's opponent. For example, Tai Chi or Aikido.
@JFate2590 I'm not speaking about male making up difference by focusing on other area. I speaking about men that have reach the human beign limits in every subject relative to fight.
But that is true that only men can compensate between them, because even if they are of different stature, the difference is still compensable.
But the difference in strength between man and woman is so huge that they can't compensate with another skill, because evryone here has reach the 100%.
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ssjSephirothhiei 7 hours ago
Erza.....damn.
Kirtzjacob 5 days ago
ummmmmmmmmmmmmm......................yes!!! :D
vampirekittygirl20 6 days ago
anyone else think that her face in this picture looks a LOT like General Armstrong from FMA brotherhood?
seproth110 1 week ago 6
@seproth110 not him 1 of his family membrs i think the mother or wife of his
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@ShadowFlipsy lol I believe seproth means his sister general armstrong
XxMewKewxX 3 days ago
@seproth110 kind of :p
Gregorstuff 6 days ago
On other note, awesome song so is erza! =D
starzerg96 1 week ago
Anyone else noticed how Sadoruro just gave up? Victory :P
starzerg96 1 week ago
This is an AWESOME song!!!
MegaPollen 2 weeks ago
thumbs up if you came here because in the thumbnail it looked like erza was naked
erikio13 2 weeks ago
banana
Arunios95 2 weeks ago
Gates of Babyl(U.N)owend. She's on the right way to learn that.
osherhaim 2 weeks ago
Erza. . . *¬*
alok069 2 weeks ago
we assume that is equal, as it can be, but biology will never be). Besides you do make good points, it's just kind of silly to straight up say females can completely surpass males, because those that do exceed are few and far between. FOr example but Myriam Lamare (who I take to be one of the best female boxers) and put her up against Muhammad Ali and guess what? He will knock her out with one jab xD (exaggerated I know lol)
wldkng14 2 weeks ago
Guys...I have been saying this entire time that women CAN be as strong as men, its just harder if they both train equally because of the male anatomy. The only thing I am debating is the whole a female can be stronger than ANY male part, because to be honest, while there might be a handful of females that are very strong, get a male of similar experience and she won't even show up on the scale. If we are making unbiased and equal comparisons, then biology tends to take over, not skill (because
wldkng14 2 weeks ago
So, once again. Now lets get back to the anime shall we? ;D
I bet thats the reason your here, Erza. So should i start?
ERZA IS SO FUCKING BADASS!
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
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starzerg96 2 weeks ago
the ultimate deciding factor in any contest is skill, biology helps, that's all, anyway who cares?
pyromidas 2 weeks ago
unfair advantage even over women of the same weight group. Its just how we are built. I don't see how you can argue over this. You master class thing makes you sound like hitler claiming he is part of a master race or something (not saying you are racist, just drawing on a similar sounding argument).
wldkng14 2 weeks ago
@wldkng14 *Facepalm* Another one that hadn"t read my previous comments and contredict himself. Very well. Because you have'nt understood the concept of the 100%, let beguin with the concept of the training. You've statuated in your last comment that anyone can become strong. True. Even a woman. In fact, a woman with a huge amount of training will beat a common man, or even a train but less man. It is just a matter of training. I dare you to beat Myriam Lamare.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@wldkng14 But the subject I was saying wasn't that, it was about the master class. What is master class. Master class is a state you reach after decades of training in martial arts, where you reach near the 100% in every factors related to fighting. It has nothing to do wioth black belt. Black belt is achive just after 5 years. The problem for a woman in such class is that, compared to a man, she will not be able to fill the gap of strength because the men is trained to his limits too.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@wldkng14 If you want more information just read my previous comments in the previous debat. Like this, you will understand better what I was saying, and you will not confused me with the one saying that girls can be as strong as man, in the master class I precise.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
Oh and your master class, superhuman abilities, and black belt level comment made me laugh...hard xD Anyone can train to become strong, genes only determine initial size and positioning of muscles and bones (and their densities/flexibility). So genetic makeup won't stand in the way of someone who wants to become strong/athletic. Besides the best proof against your argument is martial arts itself. Why are women and men separated? Cause their potentials are completely uneven. Men would have an
wldkng14 2 weeks ago
@wldkng14 no women can became stronger than men but when women makes the same training as men. men is stronger for women its harder to take so much and her body is not stronger than mens weight is 100 kg but womens 60 even in the same age why? there is a lot of factor i i speaking the normal not fat or skyny but normal peaople women cant be strionger than men but nowdays man are mor like women skiny and weak and women like men stroong muscule and so on. its just a nature who made this
tralalla1000 2 weeks ago
street and the average woman and the man will surpass the woman in all athletic ability besides maybe flexibility. Men are MADE to be strong. How are you coming up with these facts of yours? I have a feeling you just want to feel intelligent or something. Hint: using crap you pull out of thin air and adding decent vocabulary means nothing.
wldkng14 2 weeks ago
@wldkng14 not inteligent made strong women can be stronger than men and smarter. but men in nowdays are weakling so women are stronger thats all men are siting playing ps3 xbox and so on. no training but if you know biology so vel :D why mens weight are biger ? right now i am 75 and my man is 60 but she is biger and fat why? because mens musculs are stronger size can be the same but how much men can take is other if you can pik up 100 kg 2 times men can 3 if he is training :)
tralalla1000 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro you are full of fail :| no offense but this mater class stuff is complete crap. Go on ANY site on the planet and look up what they say about the male and female anatomy and the different hormones and their levels. I have no idea what you are smoking, but you can be a level 10 black belt in whatever have you and it wouldn't make a difference, cause this is biology, not fighting techniques. Can you explain this master class stuff? Cause I will bet my life take the average man on the
wldkng14 2 weeks ago
Fighting on the internet is like participating on the Special Olympics.
Even if you win, you're still retarded.
xxgdlxx 3 weeks ago 54
@xxgdlxx The one who is retarded is the one who haven't understood that this was not about fighting but about exchanging idea in a debat, mutualy enhance our comprehension of the subject. And for a foreign man like me, a very interresting way to do progress into a foreign language. What is retarded to, is those one who feel the need to come and deal with that debate that doesn't concern them by giving arguments that we already dealt with a long time ago, and saying that is a fight.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro Looks like my comment has critically affected you, don't feel bad just because you didn't win the Special Olympics.
xxgdlxx 2 weeks ago
@xxgdlxx In fact, no, it hadn't a critical effect; It is just that I can't prevent myself to come put jerks to the place they deserve by destroying them with word, even more when they come with such racist, nazist comments on the invalid sportmen running the special olympics by defined them as retarded.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro In english, do it.
xxgdlxx 2 weeks ago
@xxgdlxx You're not even able to understand english spoken with school vocabulary ?
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro Oh, it was english? I didn't notice.
xxgdlxx 2 weeks ago
What about this, either stfu and give comments ABOUT the fucking music, Or take your women vs men crap somewhere else. This crap has gone on long enough -.-'
Its like you want the comments to be disabled....
starzerg96 3 weeks ago 2
@starzerg96 And if that doesn't please you, you're totaly allow to just listen to music and do not read comments; Comments are far lower than the video, when peoply say that comments prevent them to enjoy the video, it is just total crap said because they do not have any arguments left.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro And your a complete idiot. Im done reading your dumbass comments.... Nothing but a waste of time -.-
starzerg96 3 weeks ago
@starzerg96 You've done reading my comments and you confused me with the one who said that the women member of the population that can reach the master class can be as strong than men ?
And you haven't understand anything ? Or just that you will feel the need to come here and statuate like a knight on his horse that you will bring the truth to us shit ?
Fail kid, fail. Now, we were having a pleasant debat between adults, exchanging ideas, before you've ruined it. Then go back play.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro To end it all, look under me and you will see lots more of people having almost the same idea as me. That your a complete ass trying to sound smart.... Now, go play smartass with 5year olds since the rest of us are way to smart for you to begin with. Congratz! you just made yourself look not only fucking stupid, but also like a complete jackass.
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Hum... hillarious. It is not because there is 2 persons that came and says non-sense and wrong things like you that make the whole of you right and clever. Plus, you just proove your incapacity to invent insult and bullying speach by taking my "child" way to beat you (you just stole my "kid, go back play, adults are speaking here").
You could have look smarter by just stop speacking, but no, you just came ridiculise you again. Congrats ^^ Oh, you ended nothing btw ^^
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro Not really.... its pathetic how you think that those simple ass comments are owning anyone. Iv used those long before you even started walking missy. Here is a little advice, come up with something original and not some last minute crap thinking you will look smart..... just pathetic to be honest -.-
And by the way, its spelled *speaking* and *Ridiculous*..... Making all your arguments INVALID!
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Man, you're a complete fail. First, learn to count the number of comment, you'll see that I start before -.-. Then if you learn to read, you'll see that on the comments below, everyone is now saying the same thing that I said. After, you just have a personnal grief against me, but you're not able to destroy me by your pathetic insult. You're not even giving argument now, you just insult me and saying that what I say is crap.
And finaly, saying that grammar make and argument invalid
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 is the last stand of the ones that have no argument left to give and feel cornered and beaten. Then please, be kind with yourself, just stop speaking and just saying that what I said is crap. Or at least give a reasonable and true argument if you want to continue.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro I stopped taking anything you said seriously when you failed to spell speaking and ridiculous... and now after i used pathetic your using it? Nice one.... really -.-
And that strong reaction that you gave to my comment only proves i'm right.
Your argument is still ---> invalid, Don't like it, your problem.
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Just lol xD You're not even knowing the rules of an arguments, you statuate things without giving any arguments or exemple to enhance them, you're all arguments is on my grammar, and you come say that I'm stupid, and what I said is invalid xD Man just return to college xD
Oh, and if you thought that I got a strong reaction..; no I'm not going to put myself at such a low level xD And if you thought that was a strong reaction... you're wrong xD
Would you please make me laugth more ?
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro If your so put on not being on my level... why the hell are you still arguing with me? Exactly -.-
All you do is give shit opinions and act smart. over half you said was complete bullshit...
And now your going at xxgdlxx? Now everything makes sense... a troll with garbage opinions, who cant spell for crap, and a attention whore at that. People like you make me sick -.-
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Answer to somone who is talking shit and wrong about you is not putting myself on his level, it's just answering. Use the same shit insult that him is, that's why I don't insult. Go learn the life please -.-
I don't come here give my oppinion to you and act smart; In fact for you I'm just coming here to destroy everyone of your affirmation each time.
xxgdlxx made a far racist/naist comments about retarder persons on the special olypimcs. He deserved to be put right in place.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro Yep bro, calling people retarded makes me a racist and a nazi.
Everything makes so much more sense now, thank you good sir.
xxgdlxx 2 weeks ago
@xxgdlxx No, using the fact that people who win the special olympics are retarded because of their invalidity and compare us to that makes you be racist and nazist. Don't misanderstood.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro Just as expected.
I expected your comment to be this stupid, even before you were born.
xxgdlxx 2 weeks ago
@xxgdlxx That is totaly stupid, I born before you. Plus all I said was totaly logic and do not suffer any kind of crap. I respect the fact that you feel cornered and try in final to say that was I said is crap, but don't bother you, everyone here will understand that I beat your stupid comment.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@xxgdlxx Man, dont waste your time on this low life. Not worth it, ignore her comments and stop giving this troll attention and she will go away and bug someone else. Her points where just proven wrong, she will now give some lame ass shit about what i'm wrong about etc and then give you some lame ass shit to make herself look good. There 's a cookie in it for ya ;D
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 I'm having fun by laughing at the stupidity.
xxgdlxx 2 weeks ago
@xxgdlxx Have fun then ;)
Done with that brat, trolls tend to bore me out.
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Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
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@xxgdlxx @xxgdlxx Me too. But what I like the most is arguying with people that said that I'm am stupid, or a crap, and I destroyed them with logic and argumentation, and they feel beaten then they try to insult me. And then someone from the outside come and proof that for someone reading it, I'm not the troll at all, and say that the other one is stupid xD
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 And you haven't even understand that I was a man xD
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro Your a freaking girl in my eyes XD
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Think what you want, but to not be able to understand and be proud of your mistake just show everyone that you put yourself deeper and deeper xD
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro you really do suck at spelling... Oppinion? wow really... *OPINION*
Stop embarrassing your... Okay, ill make your crap about this Women vs men crap end.
UFC fighter Brock Lesnar, put any women you want against him or any other UFC fighter and the result will be that the women will be KNOCKED OUT. Master level crap? NO, not really... and you dont insult? BULLSHIT! such a fucking lie you pulled there... haven't used an insult my ass -.- Its in every freaking comment you make!
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro Your so full of shit, its not even possible... Talking to you is like telling a tree to move. And Special Olympics, YES they are retarded. That's the truth. So what? He made a little joke, like you've never made one or called someone retarded. And don't you dare say you haven't. cause no one will believe that crap. They are retarded, they cant help it. Why deny it?! Nazis see themselves and the ''race'' better then the others. We humans are all Nazis! We see ourselves as the perfect ->
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro as the perfect race on this planet. If someone kills a dog does he get prison? Like hell he would. If he pushed someone down 2-3 stairs and the man/women would be hurt he would get prison. We don't care what happens to any other race the our own. Same thing with Nazis, if a German got hurt by a Jew or another Nazi HE would be the one to blame, it a Nazi shot or hurt someone who wasn't a German he would be praised. So stop your fucking crap and learn to face facts dickhead.
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Put my old karate teacher, a woman, 5th dan;, again brock lesnar, he will take a kick to groin even before have land a single puch. Just because my master is far more skilled than him 'cause of her 30 years of training. Since Borck has just strength but almost no technique, a woman still can compare.
After that no, I haven't call anybody retarded ever. Plus, special olympic sportsmen are not retarded. Retarded is a mental pathology, and special olympic is about physical invalidity
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Nazi saw themself as the best race, but a dog is not a human race. A dog is another species,. Racism is about claiming that one human race is better then the others. Human privelegies their species instead of dog cannot by called racism. But Nazis also killed invalid people during the war because they were a weigth for the society.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 After all, I wasn't insulting you; I just said that you were a kid. Where the hell is that an insult ?
Then I think you should go home. I just destroyed everything you said, ever. Why do you continue to come to get hit, seriously ?
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro You destroyed jackshit.... And you that karate teacher of yours, she going to be knocked out. CLEAN K.O. Brock lesnar isn't a UFC champion for being a weakling you dumbass, he got speed, power and he got technique cause as i said hes a UFC champion, pure strenght wont take you far in the UFC. Kick to the groin before landing a punch.... my later statement and i quote ''You are a troll''. I rest my case, going any further with you about this is defiantly a waste of my time.
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro But putting dumbass'es like you in their place is fun way to entertaining. How you go on and on abut your crap logic. You gave the dumbest explanation ever, Go look Brock Lesnar up. Seams you have no fucking idea of what your talking about. AND, we said who i stronger. Men or women, since brock really is stronger in terms of lets say arm wrestling then you just proved me right and the bullshit you said before it crap. Men are stronger then women and you last comment proved me right.
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 your a bit stupid thats all
nickym89 2 weeks ago
@nickym89 Get in line with the others waiting for me to give a damn.
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro *because my master is far more skilled than him 'cause of her 30 years of training.* We said said who is stronger in terms of power, not skills or any of that crap.
Im talking to a fucking idiot here.... Give up already -.- I just proved your points worthless, i just proved men are stronger in terms of power. and your logic about your old teacher against brock is just fucking stupid. what where you smoking when you wrote that... Really, that proved how retarded you are.
starzerg96 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Ok, now I'm laugthing out xD You said that the subject was that man are stonger in strength that woman, but since the beguining, the subject isn't that ! xD The subject was to debat about the fact that when a man reach the 100% in all factor (skill, strength, speed, strategy, etc...) matching with fighting, a woman her will be able to reach the 100% too but not in strength, where she can't feel the gap. But it was only for that case of people ! And I've never said that the subject
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 was a pure strength contest xD You've come here by saying that you will end the discussion, but in fact you're inventing your own subject xDDDDD
After that, if you truly, truly, truly think that Brock Lesnar is a talented fighter, you should realy realy realy try to enter the true world of martial arts, because compared to a true martial artist, Lesnar is just a giant throwing beguiner hook punch with a lot of power, but that is all. Every martial artist I know, from karate
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Muay Thai, Ju-Jutsu, MMA, everyone is agreed on this. And a lot of them are professional or high graded. Plus, keep in mind that MMA is an entertainment, all is about a show give to public. In a true martial art fight, like those one you can see on JKA, fight last 15 sec and end with a KO, because their are such skilled that that hit a vital point such vulnarable that it could KO even a giant like Lesnar, with true speed. But is public will enjoy that kind of show; No. Then no
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 money; And MMA is all about money.
After that, I don't see your arguments. You're not giving anyone, just saying that what I'm saying is crap or critict my grammar, but you're giving no arguments. Since almost the beguining you're trying to make me pass for a troll, but you're not even giving arguments and all what you say is just destroy by my own argumentations. When will you understand that everyone reading this will understand that you are the troll ? More, I'm using a quite
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 high level language, and do not insult you or making crap of you. I'm just contering what you said with a logical argumentations. But you, you still insult me or trying to make me pass for the troll withj such an agressive or even insulting language. How can you hope that people will think I'm the troll between the two of us ?
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Proof, there even someone that was totaly out of the conversation that came answer to your comment and sayong that you are stupid. Like I said, people who read that from the exterior quickly understand that you are the chairfighter here.
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@Sadoruro your stupid too
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Sadoruro 1 week ago
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@Flamingguts Free insult like that won't be taken in count unless they are matched with a logical arguments. May I know why you said me that I'm stupid ?
Sadoruro 1 week ago
really giving it their all. We are two parts of a species and cannot survive without the other. All this nonsense is just that, pointless talk. And very nice song :D
wldkng14 3 weeks ago
@wldkng14 You do not end anything, in fact what you says in wrong in the world of martial arts and it is a low level reasoning; You forgot about a lot of factor such as talent, such a genetical build, etc. I know some gyus that even with life of training in strength will never reach the level of a talented woman because their genetic is made to make them be weack. What you said is only true for the population who can reach the master class, but take a master class female and a normal..
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@wldkng14 man, the female will be astonishing stronger than the male. Then before coming here and says you will end thing by giving a yellow belt level reasoning, just growth a little more as a martial artist and try to enter our world of physical proweness and quest of surper human abilities. Maybe when you will have do that, your reasoning will be enougth true for us to approve it.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro And really... all your doing right now is giving crap reasons to make you look like your right... your explanations is pure crap -.- his/her comment was head on the nail. And stop making woman look 100times better the men. THEY AREN'T, same goes for men they arent better then women. So stop you low ass comments and enjoy the damn music!
starzerg96 3 weeks ago
intensity at the same time, YES the man will experience more growth in strength, simply because his body is made for that. So enough of this men vs women crap. We are in the 21st century (though it doesn't seem to make much of a difference for most). Facts are facts and opinions are opinions. Men are made to be stronger, but that does not mean women can not be as strong, or even stronger than men. As a matter of fact it would be harder for them, showing that those who do work out/train are
wldkng14 3 weeks ago
more of an inclination to be more on the offense while at work or conversing or anything for that matter. So yes, men are GENETICALLY made to be stronger and fight. It is how our species runs. The men are the protectors and providers for the family. That is not to say that women are not strong. That is very close minded and stupid. They hold different responsibilities, and so their bodies are made to deal with things such as child birth. If a man and a woman were to start working out at the same
wldkng14 3 weeks ago
Ok let me end this now. I don't usually partake in these debates but hell it seems like people just talk out of their ass sometimes. Men have FAR more testosterone in them than females (which is why we are guys. If we weren't exposed to the hormone as much we would be females.) Now testosterone is responsible for muscle growth and strength, and also has the psychological effects of making one more aggressive (not like get up to someone and beat em up aggressive,
wldkng14 3 weeks ago
Fairy Tail has some of the best Anime Sound Tracks I found none that was horrible to my ear
TheMr2face 3 weeks ago
ok i really dont really give a crap about which gender is stronger just enjoy this awesome song :P
yukixamzwa 3 weeks ago
Well.. The thing here is like this
Guys fight ALOT more then girls does. Our minds are by instinct set on fight whenever you can. Now some girls might have that as well but lets say a guy and girl goes start working out. Same amount of time etc. The guy will become stronger since mens bodys are by nature built to fight making it easier and for us to build strength. Im not saying girls are weaker! all im saying it that men are more of the *BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYONE!* then girls are =p
starzerg96 3 weeks ago
@starzerg96 So guys are build to fight and woman to stay in the kitchen? Derp.
Natchama 3 weeks ago
@starzerg96 What you says is wrong and is a low level reasoning. You cannot generalyse this to all men and women, because women can have more fighting spirit than men, and because you forgot the factor of talent, the one that make your training more optimised thus more efficient. What you says is only true for the population that have the genetics and the talent to reach master class, but it is rarer than diamond, thus you can't make a general saying.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro So, lets look in general here. Ill agree you got a lot of points. But lets look in general, how many times do you see guys fight? You see it almost everyday. Now lets look at girls. How often you do see girls fight with the hands? Not as often as you would see a two guys fight. When men grow so does our strength since we are mostly made to fight. Not every guy has it but that last thing *Master level* is pure crap... Genetics can have a big impact and thats it why men are stonger ->>
starzerg96 3 weeks ago
-->> Cause or genetics are made to give us more strength then women FOR the exact reason to FIGHT. Look at how the male and female bodys are build. You will find it that mens bodys are much bigger then the females, WHY? Cause of our freaking muscles. Not every guy will be like that but MOST of them are. Women aren't in the same position like they where 100years ago. Men need woman, woman need men. Thats all there is too it. I cant survive without women, since its the biggest reason i'm alive.-->
starzerg96 3 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Want a high level answer? Then here it is. You cant do crap without men and men cant do crap without women. Thats the bottom line here, any guy that says men are better then woman is just a complete idiot. the same for woman's that say men are useless.
starzerg96 3 weeks ago
@starzerg96 I just laugth at your "high level" answer. You haven't even understood that we weren't speaking of the general case but of a far specialised case. More of that, apparently you come to comment and jugde but you obviously haven't read the past comments, because I was the one that defended the fact that for the population that can reach master class, men will always be stronger than women unarmed. Plus, you're talking about general as I was talking about a tiny population...
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro -sneaks in conversation- Women are smarter :D Brains always beat dick n muscle. Besides women have found ways to manipulate men! Why do you think sex sells? We figured 50% or more of the male population thinks with their little head XD lol n what's funny is that you can't deny it! All you can do is come up with some BS on how I'm a sexist bitch! So stop picken on this person n go troll somewhere else where no one cares about your existence!
ralola1 3 weeks ago
@ralola1 women are not smarter neather the men its just in how hard you tray to learn math and that all (example)so many men ar thinking with there dick? why? becaude they live averega llifes and dont whana anything else why? beccaues evryone cant be so supersmart you lack of knowlege how world is build sick me . men and women are both smart its just more young men are smoking drinking and smoking weed and they are stupid the trow away tyhere lives for just party all day and so on
tralalla1000 2 weeks ago
@ralola1 Completely fail. I'm gay. Plus, for a true martial artist, sex is truly a non interresting things. That is just the common human that are manipulated by sex. When you deserve your life to effort, strenghten your willpower by a incredible amout of workout, it will be a miracle that you will be manipulated by something as trivial than sex. You truly don't know well martial artists, don't you ? And then you dare speak about intelligence ? How fail...
Sadoruro 2 weeks ago
@starzerg96 Sorry to dissapoint you, but that is not you who decide; If you want to judge me and tell me what I said was crap, at least you have to come on my field of discussion, and not settle your one.
Plus, what you said doesn't match the discussion; Here it is not about "most man", it was about "the population that can reach the 100%".
Then, kid, before trying to say me what to do, start by training your body, soul and brain, because you need more comprehension skills.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
The hell? I scroll down to see comments about how awesome Erza is and all I see is a discussion about the strength of women? Wasn't the whole point of this being here to enjoy the song for without a doubt the greatest characters to ever exist? Who cares what gender they are? Being female just makes her beautiful, and if she was a guy she'd be handsome.
shogungari 3 weeks ago in playlist Fairy Tail Theme songs 39
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fate0is0mine 3 weeks ago
@shogungari Sooo. . . I checked the "see all comments" . . .there's over 100 posts on this debate. Dunno why people can't use umm what's it called again? Oh right! messages!
Zeruckiven 2 weeks ago
@shogungari people just like over think things and give their worthless opinions some meaning
spyro9661 2 weeks ago
*Г*
Undina98 3 weeks ago
yea same here
zipper342 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
Haha!! this is still on-going... actually i'm amused seeing peoples conversation like this...I mean it doesn't end so easily and i like your thoughts about fighting just seeing your comments make me learn...
brootch999 3 weeks ago
@brootch999 If this convo dies, you should say something about the strength of woman. I bet they will start all over again~
Natchama 3 weeks ago
Damn why so much anger?.... this is THE SHIT!. Fairy Tail Music FTW!!!! ARGH!!!! REPLAY!!!
Halion1990 3 weeks ago
My Master also taught me by not being serious all the time... He tells us that it is for us to not be afraid of him and because of that, he was like my second father(same name as my father O.O).
Well, i hope you guys get over this arguement/conversation or whatever it is in good terms...I'm not actually in thins kind of Conversation but i did it in the honor of my Master
P.S. I wrote this while listening to the music and looking at Erza XD... Fairy Tail FTW!!!
brootch999 3 weeks ago
@brootch999 into these* at the second paragraph my keyboard is shitty right now..Sorry
brootch999 3 weeks ago
@brootch999 You're having a "normal leveled reasoning", it doesn't apply to those who have reach the masgter class. If your master where truly a "master" he should have teach you all of that already. But I'm sorry for your lost.
After, bringing here the subject of emotion, you're trying to bring a debat on the Sei and Dô way of fighting, but this is pointless. Just know that almost half of the population of true martial artist are not affected by emotion during a fight (the Sei, to simplify)...
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@brootch999 ... the others ones know how to use them to strengthen themself, but don't misanderstood, it is all about control, they use them but aren't overcome with it.
But that's not the subject, Of course when I speak about strength in master class I've already include in my mind the specification of those two way of fighting, but because it doesn't change the result and it will just bring confusion, I didn't spoke about it.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
If you combine all of those, there appears the "Strength" both from your Feelings and Mind which is enough to overpower human strength.
Well, that's what my Master, -a man who does not use skills in a pointless combat but rather for self defense- has taught me. Too Bad, He was too old when he taught me so now i think you can guess what happened to him...He did a great job training me with Discipline and Self-Control
brootch999 3 weeks ago
Also, there's "Emotion"... just like "Will", the more emotion you have, the stronger you get. However, we should not let this overcome us cause it will be the very cause of defeat...
There is also "Adrenaline". If you're the Man in this Woman vs. Man fight you would feel superior, causing you to have NO FEAR. If you are the Woman, you would feel down because just like @Sadoruro said, men are Superior than Women(kinda agree with that). That Fear would be the trigger to "Adrenaline"
brootch999 3 weeks ago
The topics here, from Erzas armor in the picture> Fighting > theories > levels...come on, I THINK(i repeat i THINK) not all things can be solved by force.Just like what @JFate2590 said, there are techniques used by using the opponents force against him. However, people(on real life AND EVEN ON ANIME) says that the loser is no the one who falls first but the one who never gets back up. By that, all of us should know that anything is possible if you have the WILL...
brootch999 3 weeks ago
I really don't get all the talk about the fighting nonsense, man or woman have the same chance of winning a fight, they have the same chance of living and dying, the probabilities and theories are worth nothing when a real fight is happening, even less depending of the situation of the fight.
Argentknight16 3 weeks ago
@Argentknight16 Please dude just go back playing instead of comming saying your low leveled theories about fighting, we're trying to get a serious talk here.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro That is intresting "a serious talk", I would love to see you using those theories in reality but whatever, if you make your self feel better by proving something with probabilities knock yourself out. And don't call what I said a theory.
Argentknight16 3 weeks ago
@Argentknight16 Oh man please, I'm trained and I fight for 19 years, one of my two only precoupation in my life (after friend and family) is to trained and grow for real fight and true martial arts.
I used theories in reality a lot lot of time. It works a lot, it is just you common peaople that doesn't know how to put it in a fight.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro And it is obvious you need more training, if being a martial artist and have trained with a good master makes you think so high of yourself as to consider others inferior to you. I also had a master, the difference is that he was a jerk that hit you with a metal stick everytime you did something wrong and never thought us anything but respect him and pay him...But if you think like that you need to go back and retake your lessons, especially on humility.
Argentknight16 3 weeks ago
@Argentknight16 I was maybe a little rude because of the contexte and the incapacity of the other to accept to understand what I say, but that doesn't make what I've said wrong. You come with a moralised theorie about fighting that is just low leveled and try to impose them as a reality. I answered you that it is not like that the true world of fighting works. There is no lack of humility, since nothing is invented (see the definition of humility).
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro And there you are blindly protecting yourself again...Humility: "the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc." I didn't came here to impose my theory, since in the first place I have none. I don't really even care a little for what you are talking about here, I just think you are taking fighting as something far too numerical. And another thing, Why are you having this argument of yours in a Fairy tail music video??.
Argentknight16 3 weeks ago
@Argentknight16 Yeah, thus I don't see where is the lack of humility since I just came here to explain true fact I got for a sure source.
You came here to say "don't deal with theori it doesn't work on a real fight". This is where I said that is was a low level reasoning.
I'm not taking fighting way to numerical, I'm taking numerical examples in order to simplify and explain my point of view. But I'm starting to think that people can understand, but just don't want to.
We where having this rich
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Argentknight16 debat because someone raise an interresting point that needed explaination and correction about what was wrongly said before.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro Well then do it between your channels and not in a Fairy tail video, that way you don't have to deal with low level reasoning.
Argentknight16 3 weeks ago
@Argentknight16 I'm not mad about dealing with it, it doesn't bother me. And in now particular way the comments alter the quality of the video, then won't stop that debat ^^
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro Fair enough, since it dosen't bothers you knock yourself out with your debate, they are a good way to pass time anyway.
Argentknight16 3 weeks ago
@Argentknight16 Knock myself out... ? I think that you're misled. But anyway, I'm french, thus this debat make me improve my english, and train me to explain my ideas, and confort the hypothesis I make but confronting it to otherones. This is a good way to pass time yes you're right.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Sadoruro France, beautiful country... And the "knock yourself out" Is a way to say that if you enjoy it go ahead and do it.
Argentknight16 3 weeks ago
wtf is with all this strength shit? were all equal and leave it at that.
koboldman999 4 weeks ago
Fact. Strength is not determined by sheer size of Muscles nor is it determined by birth. True strength comes from within each person. A drive of determination and willingness to never bow down, never break, fall or show weakness.
Awesomenessnoob 4 weeks ago
@Awesomenessnoob Please step outside of the telletubies world and enter the true fighting world --"
I'm amased that someone can give a comments like that.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
@Awesomenessnoob Fact. Stength is determined by that capacoty of your nevous system to contract your muscle, by the strength of your muscle, and by your lever actions.
I'm not speaking of willpower or anytbhing, Im' speaking of physical strength. You can have all the willpower you want, you will never deadlift 1500 pound, seriously.
Sadoruro 3 weeks ago
Women are not inherently weaker than men. Martial Arts. Though it takes shape in many different forms, it has been recognized as being created by a japanese woman who was basically enslaved by her Master. They came to an agreement, In one week the much smaller woman would fight her Master for freedom. In one week of training she developed the earliest for of Martial Arts and overwhelmed her Male Master.Woman can be just as strong as men if not stronger.Even with training, a man could still lose
Awesomenessnoob 4 weeks ago
Too be fair people, muscle mass does not translate perfectly to fighting prowess. Muscle mass is directly beneficial in specific instances, like weightlifting and some sports, but that does not mean it provides a complete advantage in every physical field. A female warrior could be as skilled as a male one, or more, and easily make up for that advantage. Every martial art, even the most simplistic, has long accounted for the brute-strength-and-weight strategy.
JFate2590 1 month ago
@JFate2590 In fact no truly. What you says is true for low to high level of skilled. But when you go beyond that, on the world of true warrior skill, women will alway the lower hand. They lack of physical strength and resistance that men have. That is why for a women to be more powerfull than a man, she have to overhelm him in skill. But when the amount of training is the same, men will always be more powerfull. Resistance, striking force, speed... all what include the body will be lower.
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
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JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590 In fact I was speaking about martial arts and duel-like unarmed fight. Not speaking about knight or something else.
In fact, the armed martial arts is the only valuable option for a woman to match a man, because of the power of the weapon itself. It reduce the gap between the two gender.
But in unarmed martial arts, the skillest woman with no strenght won't win a common skilled warrior that got a hight strength, because her strike will be unneficient.
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590 But there is a thing that you didn't apparently know, that when you go further in training that an high level, entering the expert class and after master class, there is no more such thing that valuable.. Thinking that skill is more valuable than strength is a high level oppinion, but when you enter expert and master class, you will understand that EVERYTHING is valuable. You have to devellop everything to its extreme, skill or strenght. And because woman can't match man in strenght
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590 They start with an awfull low point. In fact, if both devellop all their skills to the extrem, they will both be as skilled, but the man will remain stronger.
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro All you could fairly argue is that a woman will on average have the lower hand in strength. Since fighting prowess cannot be translated perfectly from body strength, and body strength is certainly not the dominate factor in prowess, it is completely unsound to argue that a woman could not be a greater fighter than a man. It is ludicrous to so easily subordinate skill to strength. That is the dominate aspect in the most petty of street brawls, not between two martial artists.
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590 This oppinion is just good for high level fight. But in fact, take a master class woman and a master class man. They both have devellop their body to the limit it could reach. Unfortunately, the man and woman will be as skilled, etc. But the fact is that the strenght of the man remain greater naturaly. That is why without weapon to feel the gap, thus unarmed, man will remain better fighter. After that said, with a weapon, a woman can be as strong, even if there still is a little gap
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro I certainly would say strength is a valuable asset, and arguably a greater one most of the time, however you cannot say it is the ultimate determining factor. For example, two men face off, one incredibly skilled, though less massive, in a soft hand martial art, like those common in the East, and a massive individual skilled in boxing; you cannot say that though they have equal training and one has a stronger physique the boxer will necessarily win. Muscle mass can only be...
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro considered the deciding factor so long as you consider fighting to ultimately be, a contest of body strength. If one has to add skill, intelligence, agility, combat style and equipment (personally I don't the unarmed/armed issue isn't significant, as a woman's opponent could be equally armed) then a definite advantage in only one area cannot be considered to be a "meta-advantage" between any two or more warriors, regardless of gender...
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro (so long as we are saying natural physique is the issue, your arguments should hold between two men of differing build, as well). Good examples of this, on a large and small scale are: the armies of Alexander, Muhammad Ali, Bruce Lee, Manny Pacquiao, half the martial art schools ever, and virtually any fight ever recorded.
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590 You haven't understand or read what I wrote before. I'm not speaking of a warrior that got skilledand another one that got strenght, etc, I speaking about master that have devellop their martial arts and their body to their limits reachable.
In fact, taking two man of different stature that have reach their limits, maybe the smaller one will compensate what he loose in strenght by agility, and vice versa. Their global level will stay the same.
What I was talking about is for women....
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590... They lack of physical strenght and that lack isn't compensate by a anything on the martial world. That is why, when you took a woman that have reach her limits and a man that did the same, the man will remain better, because is he equaly agile, equaly skilled, etc..; but have an advantage on brute strenght. And that count a lot.
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro I fully counted the idea that this is between two fighters who have trained themselves to their utmost, that includes style and physical fitness. Ultimately, there are numerous ways to compensate for a disadvantage in every field due to the massive number of variables that enters into even the most structured fight. If someone has trained themselves in an manner to fight against larger, stronger opponents, then their style and their skill in that style could give them...
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro ...a significant advantage over a larger, lumbering opponent, even if it means they must avoid a"shoving match". It should be irrelevant which gender terms we use, so long as what we have been discussing is the advantage given by natural physique, as this should hold true between an average woman and an average man as well as a less-massive-man and a more-massive-man. I certainly wouldn't argue that natural physique is not a considerable advantage, but any physical...
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro ...activity is not a.weight contest between muscle-heavy individuals, rather they involve a diverse number of factors which explains why Olympic medals are not handed out to the most fit person in every field without any competition. This is even more true for one the most multivariate of any contest, combat. If human contest was like a video game where stats were flung at each other with the highest gaining dominance your argument would hold, but ultimately real-world...
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro ...scenarios involve so many factors that it is careful negotiation of these factors that leads to victory or defeat. At most I think one could claim that, on average, women entering the world of martial arts (male majority) will usually be at a disadvantage when contesting men in muscle strength, which will translate to a much more difficult time in learning how to overcome this and an average lesser fighting prowess. I do not think one can claim, however, that when all...
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro ...is said and done, a woman could not prove to be a better fighter due to one natural disadvantage (which is similarly diverse in men) that does not always play into other areas such as talent, reaction speed, intelligence, experience, equipment, and perhaps most importantly the incredible diversity of fighting styles which take advantage or disadvantage of these factor in the practitioner and their opponent, as well as the multitude of other factors in each situation.
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590 You're writting way way way to much on a subject I wasn't even speaking about. You going very very far but not in the good direction :/ Try to summerise...
You haven't still understand. Im' not speaking of someone trained to fight against larger opponet, I speak about someone trained to fight against everykind of opponent, because it devellop his martial arts to its limits.
Stop using "if someone trained.." or "if someone better in strenght...". No. Take two male, trained to ...
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590 ... theirs limits in any physical or martial subject that scale for fighting. Between two males, the smaller will with no doubt compensate his lack of strenght by a plus on agility, ok. Like in martial arts, maybe the smaller will be trained on a martial arts allows him to better use his agility, and the other one on a martial arts thought to delivery more powerfull attack.
Thus, with those compensation, the global level will remain the same for the two in fact.
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590 But now take a woman trained to its limits. She will be as skilled as the other, as agile, but the fact is that there is a huge gap in strength.
That gap include that she can't compensate it with other things, thus her global level is lower than the males' one.
But there is in fact two solution to counter that. The first is to pick a weapon. By picking a weapon suited to her, the woman will fill the gap of strenght because on her attack, she will add the power of the weapon.
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
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Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590 The second way is to practice a martial art that use no strength. Dunno if it exist on earth, but who knows ?
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro So two men, despite difference in natural physique (which you have established as something that cannot be overcome across genders) can make up for this difference by focusing on other areas. However, this cannot be done by women due to the very same difference? Or is it that men can overcome natural differences in build, but that is unique to the male half of our species? I cannot help but think that you are not arguing that because of the importance of natural physique...
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro ...in combat, women can never be as proficient as men as warriors (a valid, if quite debatable argument) but rather are using an old views of gender segregation in physical arts as a conclusion with references to views on female physical prowess, but not a logical progression of these factors towards the conclusion. If I have misunderstood your argument here then I apologize, but I don't see how your premises lead to your conclusion. While...
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@Sadoruro ...of course there are no physical arts that don't use strength, there are many that do not focus on it as a primary means of defeating one's opponent. For example, Tai Chi or Aikido.
JFate2590 4 weeks ago
@JFate2590 I'm not speaking about male making up difference by focusing on other area. I speaking about men that have reach the human beign limits in every subject relative to fight.
But that is true that only men can compensate between them, because even if they are of different stature, the difference is still compensable.
But the difference in strength between man and woman is so huge that they can't compensate with another skill, because evryone here has reach the 100%.
Sadoruro 4 weeks ago