Unlearned lessons of the Paris Commune

[WorldRevolutionaries]

We rise again

[brahmbhattbhavna]

no mao + no lenin = no success

[Dezzreck]

@brahmbhattbhavna So your saying that Lenin and Mao were successful? They failed to bring about true socialism and caused more harm than good in my opinion.

[LeninistStalinMarx]

@Dezzreck Lenin was a great socialist and should be rememberd in the hearts of all socialists and communists, he is a man that created great socialist ideals and thanks to him socialism and communism achieved a great succes. But you are right about the Mao part, Mao was a piece of crap.

[Dezzreck]

@LeninistStalinMarx I'm not a Leninist but I will admit that Lenin was important in spreading socialism, as well as bringing progress to Russian society. I'm just personally against the authoritarian means he used to accomplish these things.

[LeninistStalinMarx]

@Dezzreck Yes i agree with you at a 100% i have to admit Lenin was not a 100% democratic but he was still better than Mao or Stalin.

P.S: I like Stalin's theories of socialism and communism but i strongly disagree with his paranoia and his purges.

[easternshock]

Vive la Commune!

[workergirls]

Unite against U.S. imperialism!!!

[MWTorun]

General Theirs was a hero.

[cris750]

@butherLi55ett, It is really the abolition of private(by the state) was to remove the impetus of the surplus of capital which was creating the "alienation" of the workers from their "earned" capital. Capitalism exist when there is SCARCITY and the lack of HIGH technology to remove SCARCITY. Karl Marx argument is based on moral philosophy and not economics. I totally believe that the field of economics is based on scarcity and therefore is destined to be removed through social evolution.

[h2jazz5]

est. 10-30 000, but commune also killed hundreds. lol

"I butchered and rapped the whole city, but he killed my cat frisky -> HE'S A MONSTER!"

[LeftistMetalFan]

"Hundreds"? The Commune executed some 60 people and then burned down the guillotine! Thiers killed in a week about the same number of people the Jacobins killed in a year in whole France!

[h2jazz5]

@LeftistMetalFan Yeah, I know. The quote was from the video (1:02), and the numbers are just silly.

Its not a suprise really. A form of purest and fairest struggle in history of the proletariate, and as always a certain portion of society has to twist facts.

[ORDENILLUMINATI]

FREEDOM,',EQUALITY,',BROTHERHO­OD,',

[reactiontosociety]

marxist communism can only lead to slavery, because any socialist system with a centralized government will lead to stalinism or maoism.

c'mon reds, read some kropotkin and grow up.

[IlyaKhleboyko]

@reactiontosociety You should study some more.

[PavedStones]

@reactiontosociety I think you are just blindly prejudiced against Marx. To start with, he wasn't really a theorician of socialism - practically never wrote anything about socialism - but rather a socialist theorician of capitalism. Second, to the extent he did write about socialism, what he pointed to as the greatest example of a socialist society in the making in his epoch was, well, surprise, the Paris Commune. And he was for the abolition of the state, too.

[PavedStones]

The ideas of Marx and Bakunin/Kropotkin weren't all so different at all, you know. Do read Marx some day, plugging your fingers into your ears and shouting "Stalin Stalin Stalin" every time Marx is brought up is silly and childish and makes you sound like Ron Paul lol. Oh and anarchists are "reds", too.

[evanescent25]

@PavedStones It is an important diference between Marx and anarchists:Marx wanted centralization but anarchists didn't,because centralization means concentration of power in the hands of some and it would stay in the way of real democratic worker's revoluiton.

[evanescent25]

@PavedStones It is an important diference between Marx and anarchists:Marx wanted centralization but anarchists didn't,because centralization means concentration of power in the hands of some and it would stay in the way of real democratic worker's revoluiton.

[PavedStones]

And just for info: "Communism in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life."

[ButherLi55ett]

What would you recommend, comrade?

[dogsters666]

George Orwell wrote in his 1984 that there are three struggling classes:

The high class - keeps their rank in noble place

The middle class - replaces the higher classes

The low class - eliminate the class system

However, the middle class uses the low classes aspirations for their own goal. When the high class is eliminated then they will learn from the terrors of history to secure their place in he top, with the low class still remains at the bottom.

[h2jazz5]

@dogsters666 You know, Orwell himself was a devout socialist, but as one can see from his books, against the what they call today "totalitarian" sort.

[CapitalistOverlord]

Lenin and Stalin were two men that have slandered the word "Communism." It is because of these men that Communism is hated across the world.

[workergirls]

capitalism and fascism are two sides of the same barbarian coin...

workers of the world unite against the money grabbing politicians...

Long live great communist revolutions !!!

Death to fascist and capitalist corruptions !!!

[Pileckij]

FUCK you ALL. LENIN WITH ENGELS AND MARX WERE TRYE MARXISTS. STALIN WAS MORE FASHINT NOT MARXIST,

[cris750]

OK, the Russians of today now have an industrial base through the immoral acts of Lenin and Stalin. The Menshiviks should have won not Lenin's Bolsheviks. I would like to know why Stalin did not mention the Paris commune of 1871 nor Francois Noel Babeuf who wrote a manifesto before Karl Marx mentioning many similar ideas ??? I know why becuase Leon Trotsky had a similar idea but wanted "constant revolution" world wide. Stalin and Lenin are not marxists but social imperialists and national comms

[evanescent25]

@cris750 Screw the Menshiviks also,they didn't care about the people,it would have been cool if the anarchists had won.

[cris750]

Now, think??? Lenin and Stalin mixed up their ideas with .... Russian authoritarianism rather than pure Marxistic ideas. They did not allow many things Marx was for but kept ruthlessly the abolition of property. Lenin and Stalin were never MARXISTS !!!!

[cris750]

Karl Marx's manifesto was influenced by Francois Noel Babeuf who stated the idea of the Abolition of private property. Both Marx and Babeuf said that the reason for this abolition was to in some way create EQUAL rights to the proletariat(workers). I think this is outdated and it is not needed. Simply give the people more substantial amount of money to purchase property. Marx used Hegel's "negation of negation" to explain his reasonings.

[h2jazz5]

@cris750 "Simply give the people more substantial amount of money" are you like 5? lol. you haven't heard of inflation, scarcity and the primaeval principle of in order to give something you must take, have you? just to name a few elementary based problems in your confussion in the field of economics, and i won't even start with your ideological confusions which might be result of some silly traumatization and heavy brainwashing. have a good day :)

[h2jazz5]

@cris750 Abolition of private property is a very old idea which dates millenias ago. It claims that private ownership ultimately ends up being a slavery itself and a burden to the freedom of oneself and society, a conclussion made from zillions of different contemplative starting points through the ages. an old concept true to this very day

[ButherLi55ett]

I don't think Marx ever said abolition of private property was to create equal rights. To abolish alienation and class society more like. Equality is outdated? Not needed? Who will give 'the people' more substantial money? (and what money do they currently get, and from whom?). Workers' becoming small capitalists doesn't resolve the question of alienation or class society, and obviously a world full of small capitalists would not be some paradise if it were even possible. Read some Marx.

[abarzilai664]

Pretty insightful agolosha, though to expand on your point it was also a power play. As we have seen while the Third Estate (the Bourgeoise) grew in wealth they were discontent that they were locked out of the structures of power dominated by the Church and the Nobility. to acheive their goals they would ally with the peasentry yet failed when the peasent's positions and traditions came under attack.