NORML.org PSA for Marijuana Law Reform Bible Quote

[FuckinShovel]

H.Con.Res.13: Reaffirming "In God We Trust" as the official motto of the United States and supporting and encouraging the public display of the national motto in all public buildings, public schools, and other government institutions.

Aye 396

Nay 9

OK so Congress voted 396-9 that our National Motto is "In God We Trust" ... Genesis 1:29 is a quote of God. Do we trust god yet??

[ecapone333]

first of all,people who never used cannabis should keep their mouths shut,just for the simple fact you sound idiotic,another thing also ,to the people who think they know religion;answer this;are you a Christian? if you said yes to that question, you are one of the blind,Christ said go out and make disciples "The word christian is a derogatory term for DISCIPLES,NOW GO LOOK UP THE MISSED PRONOUNCED WORD CALUMUS found in the BIBLE, its CANNABIS ,one of the ingredients found in healing oils.

[NewOldSalt]

@ecapone333 Yes, my brother took great pleasure in informing me I was a Cretin. But don’t overlook the fact we are to carry our cross; one of the best ways to take the shame out of a thing is to show there is no shame in it, or to despise the shame others insinuate. The Jews were forced to wear yellow stars by the Nazis to humiliate them. Now Jews wear yellow stars as a sign of pride of overcoming persecution and murderous evil.

[NewOldSalt]

Conflating the effects of alcohol with cannabis shows a gross ignorance.

NO ONE who condemns alcohol, or those of us because we drink it, will be lifting a cup at the Lord’s Wedding Feast.

The same goes for EVERYTHING else in God’s creation. Condemn it, arrest/torture/murder others for using it, and you will be treated the same way, God promises.

[Enoch2]

Food and smoking pot are not the same thing. Food is to eat, not to get high off of.  This is the plain distinction that pot smokers don't want to acknowledge.

Like Hajiisya wrote below, I was permastoned for years so I too know what I'm talking about. I got saved and quit overnight: the Spirit of God who lives in you when you are born again through faith in Jesus Christ, will SHOW YOU that it is sin. And then He'll give you the will and power to leave it behind.

[NewOldSalt]

@Enoch2 Clearly you are one of the infinitesimal minority of people who had trouble with it. Just like there is a minority of people who have trouble with so many other things, alcohol, sugar, etc… However, it is amazingly unchristian to say because you had a problem with something a) everyone else does or will b) you should have any right to be a curse on others who do not have such problems.

So you think you got a log out of your eye now you want to remove specks from others’? Love.

[TheOracleGreen]

I believe Marijuana is a gift from God. Satan hates Marijuana and is trying to undermine its blessings by spreading lies!

[NewOldSalt]

@TheOracleGreen Bingo! What do we seen from Satan in the Bible? He makes people suffer. He tortures people. This same behavior is what the prohibitionists engage in.

[dtpheif]

you forgot about the tree in revelations that with the leaves of the tree will come peace.

[Enoch2]

@dtpheif "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." Rev 22:2

The tree of life is in the city of God which will in the future come down from God out of heaven. It bears 12 manner of fruits! Wow, that's awesome! Of course, it has nothing to do with marijuana, and can't be used to justify smoking it.

[NewOldSalt]

@Enoch2 There is nothing in the Bible that justified institutionally-imposed prohibition, vs. self-imposed self-denial. There is nothing in the Bible which justifies putting people in prison for having a plant. There is nothing in the Bible which justifies SWAT shooting innocent victims on the words of liars, then the SWAT team is patted on the back after an “investigation.” Clearly you need to re-read the OT prophets and Jesus.

[Enoch2]

@NewOldSalt I am speaking about what the Bible says about marijuana smoking, not about secular penalties for breaking the law of the land. The Bible does say, however, that nations have the right to make their own laws and the citizens of those lands are obligated to obey those laws or suffer their just penalty.

"Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." Rom 13:2

Pot smoking is illegal.

[NewOldSalt]

@Enoch2 1) please quote me where it refers to cannabis consumption. In fact some Jewish and Christian scholars believe the fragrant cane (“kenebosm" I believe) of the OT is nothing other than what we refer to as cannabis.

2) You are wrong in your worship of the Bible. DO NOT worship the Bible. Perhaps you’ve overlooked all the OT prophets, they incessantly raged against the “laws” of the day and their leaders! So I guess you’re in the dumps that we ended slavery? Women can vote?

[Enoch2]

@NewOldSalt I'll send you a good short essay on this subject. I used to think as you do about the "sweet cane" of Isaiah 43:24 & Jer 6:20 but it is an offering to God not something for the priests to smoke to get high.

As for the OT prophets, they didn't reject God's Law, they called the people to repent and turn BACK to God!

REV 21:8 says that sorcerers will go into the lake of fire. The word for sorcerer is PHARMAKEUS, one who uses drugs, potions, spells, enchantments; a poisoner.

[NewOldSalt]

@Enoch2 I have to laugh hard! So it before 1937 a person was fine with God if he used cannabis, but once the evil deceiving Henry Anslinger tricked Congress (and so many other people) into banning marijuana, then God decided to send all cannabis users to eternal damnation?

Please put on your Thinking Cap and stop worshipping the Bible, that is IDOL WORSHIP. How about the part of the Bible where it says God does not change?

[NewOldSalt]

@Enoch2 Look, I’m sorry you could not control your use. But do you really think you have any God-given right to push your hang-ups on the whole world?

And not only that, but clearly you defied traditional Drug Warrior propaganda that you needed to be forced into mandatory punitive treatment. You overcame your weakness without that. In fact, most heroin, cocaine, meth, etc… users decide on their own to stop. It is a relative minority of users who have problematic use.

[Enoch2]

@NewOldSalt Nah, I didn't have any hang-ups. I smoked as much as I wanted to. But when I got saved, the Lord made it clear that it's a sin. Now I'm sharing that with others. I'll tell you, I know a person can be saved and still smoke pot--but it will affect your Christian life and you will lose rewards because when a person is stoned they are walking after the flesh, not the Spirit. The kind of 'spirituality' associated with drugs is not real spirituality, it's carnal.

[Enoch2]

@Enoch2 Actually, allow me to amend that. I don't really think a saved person will continue to smoke pot--I know we're not saved by being sinless but through faith in Jesus Christ and His death on the cross for our sins, His burial, and His Resurrection the third day.

However, after a person is saved, the Holy Spirit resides in them and I do not believe they can continue to smoke drugs, incl. pot, without being chastised by God.

2 Cor 13:5, Heb 12:3-10.

[NewOldSalt]

@Enoch2 This has been debunked over and over, just google "The Ol' Pharmakeia Situation."

What will you do when Muslims become the majority and begin forcing their religion into U.S. law? Not only that, if you read any of the other comments you'll see many Christians do not blaspheme God for having made this plant.

Clearly it is unconstitutional to force religion into our laws and Prohibition has only cause gross and very expensive harms to befall us all.

[Gurukut32]

Amem!

[h4x0rman1]

God made weed humans made shit that kills, In god weed trust! Legalize today!

[MrMixculture]

GANJA FOR EVER .....

[MrMixculture]

JAH LIVES GANJA FOR EVER....

[TrqhhCelsius]

ALL PRAISE BE UNTO THE MOST HIGH!!!

[NewOldSalt]

@TrqhhCelsius Amen

[FruitageEuphoria]

Marijuana is like a tree bearing fruit but not all plants should be consumed like the poison ivy and the coca plant from cocaine and the opiate flower the cocaine and heroin is the plants natural bug repellent but marijuana has never killed no one

[NewOldSalt]

Marijuana is more herbaceous than arboreal; but I am only a plant-expert-wannabe. :-) Certainly poison ivy should not be consumed as-is.

Actually the coca plant has a number of proven uses which are helpful to human beings. It's a bit hard for me to make out what you're saying, but I'd not heard of using coca or the poppy as a bug repellent. However, for the time being, they attract things much worse than insects.

[dtpheif]

@NewOldSalt i think what FruitageEuphoria is trying to say is that not all plants are good to eat, which is true. but he forgets that we get chocolate from cocoa, and the leaves in there natural form are just as effective as cafine and works in the same sense. cocaine is an extract from the concentrate of the cocoa leaf whic makes it like cafine. so really cafine is a mini dose of crack. it was on illigal drugs and how the got that way: cocaine on the history channel.

[Hajiisya]

@FruitageEuphoria If you actually read the Bible, you would know he says FOOD which mean EAT, not SMOKE, and also if you get HIGH, you are SINNING SINNING SINNING SINNING, how many times do I have to tell you people.

The Bible says that any thing you introduce to your body that alters your original state of mind (including alcohol and being "DRUNK") is you introducing Sin! Yes, Alcohol was in fact a part of the Supper, and Jesus did turn water to wine. But they did not get drunk, it is a sin!

[korzon]

@Hajiisya Never the less they still drank wine and one cup alters my mind and I might splurge and have 2 beers accasionaly.So I would have to say in moderation it's fine just as wine is.But it should be consumed but the stuff is so expensive people smoke it to get the best concentrate they can if they would law off the law the price would come down and we can make brownies and sit down with a Glass of wine beside it.Both wine and pot are both mind altering either way like I said moderation.

[NewOldSalt]

@korzon The Bible, the Qur’an, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and so many other things are far more mind altering. :-)

[korzon]

@NewOldSalt That the same in moderation because when you become a finatic for anything it's destructive to youreself.Normal is moderation anything above that is dangerous.

[NewOldSalt]

@korzon On the face of what you are saying I don’t disagree. I would add consumption is subjective, one person’s moderation is another person’s “too much” or another person’s “not enough.” Irv Rosenfeld, FEDERAL mmj patient smokes 10 FED GOV SUPPLIED joints per day & has been for decades. Others prefer 1 or 2 hits, others prefer eating it. Some don’t want it at all. I’m OK with all of that, as long as they don’t force their will on me, especially blaspheming their will is God’s will. Peace.

[korzon]

@NewOldSalt Well we have to use our heads and know when enough is enough thats a given,But things shouldnt be forced apon either.We give ceazar whats do but if we see it having bad fruit then in gets in the way of what is due GOD.They get people hooked on other prescriptions I know that personaly and with this new healthcare bill who knows what will happen.You can grow pot that is why they dont want it the pharmicutical companies cant charge you then,It's about the money mostly it seems.

[NewOldSalt]

@korzon You are right in saying Evil Greed is very close to the heart of it. Far too many people have a gross and constitution-crushing blood lust, just look up “Civil Asset Forfeiture” in Google. Then there are the sickos who get money AND their adrenaline-fueld jollies by kicking in doors and shooting people. There are also the pawns, the Deceived. I.e. the blind following the blind.

[jakbowen]

@Hajiisya smoking is not the only way to use marijuana. ever heard of hash brownies? and by your logic that "any thing you introduce to your body that alters your original state of mind (including alcohol and being "DRUNK") is you introducing Sin!" then every pharmacutical drug like xanax, lexapro, and other anti depressants are also a sin. yet none of you fanatics try to push to illegalize them. im willing to bet money that you've never used marijuana before and thus ignorant of the truth.

[Hajiisya]

@jakbowen

You are correct, medical drugs, such as, pain killers, narcs, marijuana, or any substance that gets you high, means you are not sober. The Bible says specifically, REMAIN SOBER!!!!!

Actually, I've smoked Midz, some skunk and piff, and have even eaten the stems before and made tea with seeds and POKEBALL BROWNIES.. so get bent.

I quit because of my faith.

[420Rapture]

@Hajiisya

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners."' But wisdom is proved right by her actions." (Matthew 11:19)

[NewOldSalt]

@420Rapture Awesome. That was going to be my next posting. :-)

[jakbowen]

@Hajiisya fair enough. respect for actually doin the proper research unlike most. i apologize for assuming u didnt but as i said most anti marijuana advocates havent. but u speak out of faith not ignorance. wich is rare.

[NewOldSalt]

@Hajiisya You are grossly mistaken in trying to say grays don’t exist and there is only black and white. Frankly the Bible is full of GOD telling people of the blessings of wine. Jesus knew about you prohibitionists that is why his miracle of the water into wine remains, and he is often found “partying” with “sinners."

[NewOldSalt]

@Hajiisya If you want to start or stop because of your faith, then fine by me. But NO ONE has the right to force another adult to do so. People who think they do, and act that way, will weep and gnash their teeth in pain, come Judgement Day.

[NewOldSalt]

@Hajiisya Obviously you’ve never suffered then had the suffering relieved. How about at least eating an orange on a very hot day when you are amazingly depleted of H2O & energy. Yes, you will be high & for a lot shorter time than cannabis.

I will pray for what you wish for, I pray you never feel high. I pray that anything which "alters your state of mind" to make you feel better never gets around you or in your body. I pray that all chemicals which you condemn are not produced in your body.

[FruitageEuphoria]

Nice video

[NewOldSalt]

Thank you.

[cannpro]

ATTN: STUPID PEOPLE

PLEASE KEEP YOUR SUPPORT FOR CANNABIS(marijuana)

TO YOURSELF AS YOU MAKE THE REST OF US LOOK BAD.

You know who you are. 0_0

[NewOldSalt]

Perhaps you could be more clear? It's not very nice to come to my video and shout an announcement to everyone, since it is mainly me who tends the place. If you have a problem with me, speak.

[cannpro]

"farck the chrstino -fasciasto" "the seepiness and fogetfullness are one" slippiness" I hope that helps to clarify.

[NewOldSalt]

Thank you for that. Yes, I was not really impressed with stevie's lack of respect, but some of us actually turn the other cheek. :-) However some other(s) have shown up here and tried to trounce my use of religion to support cannabis by calling it "sin," trying to quote the Bible, and I would not exactly call them enlightened. Thanks again.

[NewOldSalt]

I should probably also add that stevie's comments reflect solely on him. Even if he was your brother, even if he was your boss, even if he has the same skin color as you, I would still consider his comments his own. (Assuming stevie's a guy.) :-) But I know what you mean, there are far too many people making others look bad, and tons of people who can't differentiate within supporters of a cause. Too many people love their "guilt by association" reasoning, I do my best to reject it.

[steviebkhall]

I used the same pssages when I was A kid ! Farck the chrstino -fasciasto bullshit !WEED should be FREED ! The Seepiness and fogetfullness are one thing ! The Law ,is undoubtedly more damaging to somene's life , future and pursuit of happiness !!! THANKS.

[steviebkhall]

Weed is the Best painkiiller I've ever used-no side effects, except slippiness !! Screw the biblical crap-Weeds been around longer,and all over !Put that in your thjnk tank.!

[NewOldSalt]

"Slippiness"? I'm glad you have found a method to control your pain. So please stop trying to spread more. :-)

[MAZZZIT]

what if it was a poisinous plant?

[NewOldSalt]

It's not. What's your real point though?

[anglaismoyen]

I've made a video along these lines.

[uninvitedhost]

And you speak of green thumb and trash. Most trash now is made from chemicals and more stuff is put into it and thats why it take so long for it to go away, the real recycle. Although I hear now that they can take plant material, hemp doing a great job and make 100% all natural oils fuels foods clothes plastics houses paints the list goes on. Hemp aka marihauna is not a drug. Nothing has to be added to it to make it what it is. Yet we can do great things with it. They are making it extinct.

[uninvitedhost]

alcohol is made from rotton fruits your right. Eat spoiled food and get sick... drink too much and die. Marijauna does not spoil, when it does its good as trash. Its a good plant. Reguardless it is just a plant, Why are people going to jail for it? Its no diffrent if not safer then any other medicine. Excuse me while I pertake in my own smoke that I had to pay for because it dosnt just grow outside anymore..cough cough what a fucking joke.. taxed to destroy it n rest of the money goes to buy it.

[NewOldSalt]

"its good as trash." — If I'm speaking to a fellow green thumb, there is not much we consider trash for the landfill. :-)

"Why are people going to jail for it?" — Evil and greedy people lording their authority over the rest of us. The world is upside down, many people are just proving to God they do not deserve to have what is in their possession. Soon it will be taken from them, and they will experience the evils they've put the rest of us through; however, this will not be by humans.

[uninvitedhost]

Yes God does exist and at one time I didnt believe. Marihauna helped open my eyes to the real world and I found god on my own. Believe we all need to repent and wake up to the truth. Plants hurt no one. People hurt people. God will make them pay, your right... God bless. Hemp is good marihuana is good. Outlawing it and stiking a number on it made it what it is today. People eill kill for it... Its a plant.. Grow your own no no no It grows like grass and has till 100 years ago

[xcycle]

War on drugs my ass, it's like a war on minorities. To this religious stuff, you know what they say-- "Man made alcohol, god made Marijuana so in god we trust".

[NewOldSalt]

This issue is much larger than people who pick fights over skin color, but that is definitely one aspect of some people's mindset.

Man does make alcohol, however, Man DID NOT invent alcohol. Part of the organic decaying process can result in various alcohols being created (I am not an expert check wikipedia), most notably a by-product of yeast growth.

Not sure if there are any videos here at YouTube showing drunken animals in nature near trees and old fruit

[msburrage74]

And yes I used pot and many other drugs before I was a christian. About 15 years of my life

[NewOldSalt]

I on the other hand had been a Christian for 18+ years before trying marijuana. I and many others!

It isn't a surprise many reject marijuana, mushrooms, because when they did them, it was "for fun," or done with people who despise God. HOWEVER, this DOES NOT make them evil. That is called "associative reasoning."

In my experience and others, they live up to their "mind expanding" reputation. But I am in the habit of using my mind to seek His kingdom, the pearls, the buried treasure.

[msburrage74]

how do I unblock the short comment thing. not familular with you tube world

[NewOldSalt]

I am no YouTube expert either. However, I set my comment settings to allow all comments, not review comments first. I am not sure if this is a global setting or video specific. Log in and click around, you'll find it eventually.

[msburrage74]

The primary meaning is "the use or the administering of drugs" (usually associated with sorcery or idolatry). Since this verse comes from a list of things that if practiced would preclude one from heaven, this should be a reasonably strong suggestion that the Christian should not practice drug use. In addition, the book of Revelation lists drug use as one of the things for which the unrepentant will suffer the wrath of God.5

[NewOldSalt]

Revelation? Show me.

Here's some "revelation" for you:

18th Amendment = Prohibition. 6+6+6=18. The evil forcing of wills by the self-righteous on to others, and it did the OPPOSITE of what the false prophets proclaimed.

21st Amdt. = Repeals prohibition. 7+7+7=21. Hm...

Rev 2:9, Rev 3:9, Matt 23:13

Evil beasts in Rev. force their wills on others.

God/Jesus DO NOT. Matt 18:15-17. Jesus came to free the prisoners, not imprison more!

Please repent.

[NewOldSalt]

Here's some more Revelation 22:2. ~ The tree of life in new Jerusalem, its leaves are for the healing of the nations.

As any one with a high school level of ed. will tell you, big pharma gets much/most of their "drugs" from plant extracts. They will also tell you that anything that heals could certainly be classified as a "drug." (Certainly not all drugs are for healing, some only mask symptoms.)

If you don't want access to that tree, it's up to you.

[wolfgange63]

Hey Old salt: Have you noticed that drugs grown naturally are illegal. Most of those like opiates and coca are grown in other countries. They are illegal to have here, but the pharmaceutical companies can make synthetic forms of these and legally sell them to you here in the states. Take for instance a person who has a heroin or morphine addiction. They will prescribe you methadone. Which is...synthetic heroin! Amazing huh?

[msburrage74]

So, where are the drugs mentioned in this verse? Actually, the word translated "sorcery" is the Greek word pharmakeia,4 from which we get the English word "pharmacy."

[NewOldSalt]

This is a humorous interpretation. Does this mean you reject anything and everything categorized as a drug? Don't you realize that fruits and vegetables are some of the best "medicines."

If you don't want to enjoy marijuana in worshipping God, that's your right. But you have no right to force your will on others.

And as I pointed out in my short post, which you censored. People like you have forced the govt. to install a religion on the rest of us, a "Hate Marijuana" religion.

[NewOldSalt]

Here's some more Revelation 22:2. ~ The tree of life in new Jerusalem, its leaves are for the healing of the nations.

As any one with a high school level of ed. will tell you, big pharma gets much/most of their "drugs" from plant extracts. They will also tell you that anything that heals could certainly be classified as a "drug." (Certainly not all drugs are for healing, some only mask symptoms.)

If you don't want access to that tree, it's up to you.

[msburrage74]

Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)

[NewOldSalt]

You are probably speaking from a point of ignorance, of which I can work to forgive you. Have you every tried marijuana? It does not cause drunkenness. As for any of the other offenses you claim, it does not cause them either.

Also, a "deed of the flesh" is NO WHERE NEAR as bad as lying, slander, fraud, and misrepresentation which is a sin of the spirit. So I beseech you to stop doing those sins.

Stop beating the servants!

[msburrage74]

Although the Bible does not address marijuana directly, it does discuss other mind-altering drugs. Specifically, the Bible addresses the use of drugs in the book of Galatians:

[NewOldSalt]

It is rather cowardly of you to block my short comment on your page, but then come over to my page and fill it with comments. But I forgive you, let's get it all out in the open, nothing is hidden except to be made known.

Also, I worship God, not Paul. The Messiah's advice and sayings are worth more than thousands of letters attributed to Paul.

If you like Paul, then maybe ought to read 1 Timothy 4:1-6.

[ussick]

Tts 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

Deception is the only thing that stands between God and ourselves.

Rom 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.

[NewOldSalt]

Hm, I replied but it's not showing up. ? Anyway, here's part two.

I lived near someone who worked in sensitive govt. institution. I was called by the FBI to see if I could squeal on him in any way. I could cry at how easily some in govt. think we toss out our love of the country.

I gotta say the main thing that makes me angry about our country is 1) the worship of greed and "the market" and 2) how little our elected officials and others in govt. think of us, as though we're parasites.

[ussick]

I agree with 1 and 2. One thing I like about the Bible is there is no other book that describes the nature of man better. All through the pages you see the effects of man's greed, corruption, and unquenchable thirst for power. I have found I can't become numb enough not to feel the injustice we do to each other and have chosen instead to remain sober these last 6 years. God has brought me sufficient healing to endure and maintain sobriety even after 10 years of heavy drug use.

[NewOldSalt]

I am glad you are well and/or getting better.

For the naive who read this, I would add that not all drugs are alike. And I am not advocating drug use, but I abhor prohibition. Everyone is different. Some people can't even handle nuts without having a serious reaction. Like many other things, drugs are a tool. Similar to how one does not drive a tractor to buy groceries, one should be aware of the possible ramifications of what one is putting in one's system.

[NewOldSalt]

With regard to marijuana I have to say that it IMHO it's far from intoxicating. It does not dull the senses. If folks don't want to use it, I will stick up for their right not to. But likewise on the other hand...

I agree with your Bible comments. Probably the funniest/saddest is to hear people who do not know it, slam it, as though it's a "Jew love fest" since "they" wrote it. Ha! It is far from the "victors write glowingly about themselves" saying that many love to use.

[NewOldSalt]

First reply: lost in the ether(net)!

Thanks for the Titus ref. This is definitely how Jesus lived! Touched the dead, those with skin diseases, allowed the bleeding woman to touch him, etc... He boldly walked in the thick of it and solved problems! Actually going against "the law."

Compare that to the prohibitionist Nazi/Pharisees who think of only themselves as pure and invent all sorts of tests to keep out the "sinners," or put them in cages.

Jesus, "It's not what goes in your mouth..."

[mlang52]

Shame on you! Why in the world would you point out the fact hat there are things in the Bible, not supported by "Christians". That is, "Christians", who would pick and choose the scriptures they will believe in!! But, we have plenty of people in the religion, who would try to tell others that alcohol is prohibited by scripture! God knew the uselessness of prohibition. It started with Adam and Eve! If God can't enforce prohibition, why do men think they can do a better job? Smarter than God?

[NewOldSalt]

Hm... your humor is hard to pull out. :-)

I don't know much about alcohol in the Bible, but one message is clear: alcohol is one of God's gifts, but don't overdo it. And it's pretty easy to tell when one has drunk too much. :-(

Both Moses and Paul recommend wine, Jesus drank wine. Some people will say it was non-fermented... laugh.

But Paul advised against overdoing it, and some OT prophets are quite against getting drunk.

One BIG difference, is one does not get drunk from marijuana.

[mlang52]

The fact that Jesus created "new wine" (old wine was,usually, given to everybody ,after they all got drunk.), points out the fact that it was, in fact , alcoholic in nature. The Greek uses the word "oino", which is the word used for the alcoholic type. But, I submit, if it is easy to tell when one has had too much to drink then why so many DUI's? The OT prophets, being against getting drunk, does again, not make it a commandment.

[mlang52]

Cannabis was also said to have been used in their recipe for anointing oil , given to Moses, by God. There are no references to cannabis in the Bible, that I ever found, so the people making it up that cannabis is forbidden, have no Biblical grounds to stand on. Like alcohol, or any other drug,it could be abused. But, it is the least toxic of all of the ones commonly discussed, in today' s world. I agree with your video.

[NewOldSalt]

The advantage smoking marijuana has, is the effect is nearly instantaneous.

However, when one drinks, there is a time lag between when it goes down, and when it comes up, wait, I mean when the effects are felt. :-)

Why so many DUIs? More than one answer. Here's one. I grew up in the 70's and 80's and it seemed every week there was a pushing down on the amt. of alcohol that could be in a person's system. It was like a battle of the self-righteous as to who could lower the amt. the most.

[NewOldSalt]

About the OT prophets, you're right. I would add they specifically weren't against drinking, or even getting drunk. They were abhorrent of the attitudes and behaviors that lead them there in the first place, taking advantage of the middle-class and poor, lording their authority over others, abusing the planet, looking to get others in debt, owning many houses, not worshipping God, but instead worshipping their luxuries, etc...

[mlang52]

Abso-posi-lutely!  Good talking with you!

[crappydpole]

nice

dont agree with the bible that much, but this is one time i definately will

[NewOldSalt]

Thank you.

1. A person doesn't start out eating solid food at the beginning of life, and getting a taste for things like onions and such takes a while. :-)

2. I don't recommend taking the Bible in one huge dose, without supervision. :-)

3. Clearly the Bible has messed up some people more than any amount of "drugs." :-(

Lots of folks are eager to know what the future holds. Well, this video shows just one part of what the Bible describes about the times we live.

Take care.