When the British and Americans put there minds together seems like something Beastly always comes out. P-51 Mustang best most badass Airplane in the sky of all time, AC shelby cobra Meanest most badass car ever on the road
Why the hell are all you Brits still pissed that a handfull of woodsmen kicked the stuffing out of you royals during the revolution? Let bygones be bygones!!
@mulletcar yeah.......but........ they (you)didn't........why do you yanks belittle the great effort we Brits played in the last war? lets face it we took on the might of the Nazi German Air force......... and won! and gave mighty America a breathing space to realise that she was already at war-- and mobilise
alot of safety measures there... 2 of you guys stand in the direct line if the prop would come loose , at 2:50 a guy even take a nice stroll infront of
The strength of the American-British partnership in WWII can not be overstated. We fought as brothers. If Britain had not been threatened in WWII, it is entirely possible that the US would have not entered WWII in the European theater. Fundamentally, we fought to keep our British brothers, friends, and allies free. Every other country that kept its liberty as a result was virtually incidental.
Obama has done much to damage the American-British partnership. Why did America elect that idiot?
It really is about time you all knew why the Rolls Royce merlin was built in the USA. First i don't care which is or was best, it's history,
But in 1940 Germany started bombing British citys. And Sheffield in Yorkshire (know as steel city) was where RR had the Merlin Crankshafts forged, now if the Germans had hit the foundry RR could not have made more engines, So the British war office had the engines built in the US,Under licence by Packard, And thats partly how the Mustang got the Merlin..
The Mustang came about due to the British placing tenders in the US for a new aircraft as they couldn't manufacture enough themselves. This was prior to the US entering the war. North American won the contract with the Mustang and it's new laminar wing - which reduced the drag and gave the Mustang it's range and speed. The Mustang was all round the best IMHO.
In response to the Packard Merlins, they were license built by Packard for Rolls Royce. The Mustang's original engine was the Allison 1,100 hp V-1710-P3R then the Allison V-1710-81 OF 1200HP. However it's high altitude performance still suffered and the Brit's suggested the Merlin. Packard was licensed to build the Rolls-Royce Merlin in the United States. The Merlin MADE the Mustang into the best fighter of World War 2. By the way it was the British who named the Mustang.
@thecessnacitation i wonder why americans make fun of you brits... i mean you guys gave us the rolls royce merlin engines that powerred our p-51 mustangs as well as your lanes like the supermarine spitfire..... so if anyone makes fun of brits, just laugh at them.... P.S. im american
i think as a brit we are all technically incorrect the merlin was a product of a proud workforce here and in the us. from a time where engineering was the cutting edge of mighty nations that had a purpose.
i fell that things these days are not made with as much pride or purpose.
we all argue that this motor was yours or ours,but lost in this was the vanquished german engineering brought to the fore after the war and surprise surprise looking at german engineering output today --we lost the war
In 1940, The British War Office instructed Rolls Royce to look for another company outside Britain to build the Merlin engine (for obvious reasons) and RR approached Henry Ford. However Fords could not meet the build tolorances? expected by RR and so they chose Packard instead . The Mustang (or whatever it was called at the time) had an Allison V12 (SorO). which could not match the Merlin, so thats why the Mustang came to have the RR Merlin engine,
@Kilhamjim That's complete nonsense. Ford had the best manufacturing tolerances in the world. Ford INVENTED the modern era of production manufacturing. Far better than Rolls Royce. Henry Ford chose to only do business with U.S. Defense companies, so that (obviously) killed the deal.
The Mustang never had a RR Merlin in it. The Packard Merlin was based on the Merlin, but improved in many ways. Including the design of the main bearings, supercharger, carburetor, and many other enhancements.
@EngineerAeronautical The Allison V-12 was actually better than the RR Merlin in some ways. For one, it had far fewer parts, which enhanced it's reliability and maintainability. The individual components were designed better and of better quality. Allison V-12 connecting rods are still used today by Merlin race engine builders looking for 3000+ horsepower.
The power at high altitude difference was a forced induction problem, not any kind of design flaw in the basic engine design.
@Kilhamjim Another jingoistic, retarded Brit...you go ahead and rely on Wikipedia; I'll rely on 3 engineering degrees and 25 years of design and engineering experience. Including the design, engineering, and development of reciprocating IC engines.
U.S. manufacturing was the highest quality in the world in that era. By a huge margin I might add. We exported our quality control and manufacturing expertise to Japan after WWII, and in the following years, to many other countries.
@EngineerAeronautical "another jingoistic, retarded Brit" ... well they are still vastly outnumbered by other jingoists. :-) I'm not countering any technical point, but it was a British engine, built by whomever, enhanced however you like and to minimise that is quite stingy. One could go all the way back to the combustion engine being invented by Otto Diesel if one wanted to be like that. However insecure some British person is, that's not really much excuse for you being the same.
@Kilhamjim Anyone that believes that Britain had to send machine tools to the U.S. for manufacturing is a complete moron. That is absolutely absurd.
The Packard Merlin was better manufacturing quality than the RR Merlin, period. In addition, Packard and Bendix made significant design and engineering enhancements, some of which were used later on the RR Merlin. Including the main bearing design, and carburetor. Ask any reputable Merlin race engine builder and they'll tell you the same.
@EngineerAeronautical You're forgetting all of the help the British received from NACA research into engine induction aerodynamics during the '30s. The British were also beneficiaries of NACA airfoil research during the war.
The British contributed mightily to aviation, but for the British denizens of YouTube to claim that the "Yanks" would have been completely lost without British babysitting is not only factually inaccurate, it's just plain stupid.
@Redmanfms From what I observed from history the British would have lost to Germany without American intervention. Remember the Lend Lease program. From FDR.
@Redmanfms Please would you demonstrate how American aeronautics were significantly more advanced than British so that 'the help' made significant advancements to our aircraft. Data passed both ways during the 30's and early 40's in a number of key areas. After the war Britain made significant advancements in transonic and supersonic research, which was passed freely to America because we were broke. Factor that with the Nazi tech the USA took and America hasn't go too much to crow about.
@xlmp96 Kind of hard to do in a comments section limited to 500 characters. Simply what I stated, NACA research, particularly in the area of laminar flow and inlet aerodynamics played a significant role in the development of British aircraft and engines.
You should have read my post more carefully. You are yet another jingoist looking for a fight that just isn't there. I don't disagree that Britain has contributed to aviation in a significant capacity.
@xlmp96 As far as us not "having much to crow about" we did build the first heavier than air aircraft, we did build the first production aircraft to exceed 400 mph in level flight, the first aircraft to break the sound barrier in level flight, etc, etc, etc.
The British can be plenty proud of their accomplishments, but as I stated in my original post, the attitude taken by Brits, especially on YT, that us colonials were lost without them is just plain stupid.
@Redmanfms Type this into Google h2g2 a882272 and see how America politically took our advanced Supersonic research data. That's probably why we're a little bitter towards Americans laying it on thick about how great they are. The relationship between GB and the USA has only ever been 1 way since the war, when America realised they could exploit us because we were broke.
So, it was the British that got you supersonic and the Nazis that got you to the moon, still feeling proud?
Stop acting like Britain is responsible for US aviation. Technology goes from one country to another, have a look at China and Japan and what they gained by western ideas. The Russians can also thank Germany for their space program, I lived and worked in Samara Russia (their space program base) for 10 months. As for Britain, you're welcome for the radar technology (your country lacked) the US provided your army and navy during your war (scirmish) over the Falklands.
@Redmanfms I doubt this, manufacturing is different from design. You can take a monkey from a tree and to teach it to do the job on conveyer. And I believe USA was payed among other things by British technology during and at the end of the war. There was nothing valuable left in europe after it, except knowledge. Every european war was very profitable to USA.
@EngineerAeronautical Packard mass productionised the Merlin and asked RR to reduce tolerances. This was not an amazing quality improvement but to make the aforementioned possible. RR merlins were hand fitted to achieve a tighter tolerances than the mass-produced American engines. The engine was developed and refined many times by RR, especially in the carburetor to enable -ve g operation for short periods. So don't claim the glory of a fantastic British engine that Packard tweeked a little.
@Kilhamjim Henry Ford INVENTED modern production manufacturing techniques and quality control. Only an uneducated imbecile would believe otherwise. Try doing some real research, without your hyper-patriotic, jingoistic bias.
@EngineerAeronautical Thats so funny, so you think that the Packard Merlin was better than the original makers Merlin? Geez your US TV gives you silly ideas....
Which performed so much better than the shitty Allison engines they were designed for that they were then manufactured with Packard Merlins built under licence to Rolls Royce...
@friedgreencorrado True, they were, but the base power plant was still a good design. It just wasn't effective at high altitude without the turbocharger (iirc).
Absolutely amazing plane, have always wanted to fly one. Hope she flys well and never has a problem in the world. Good luck to who ever the pilot is who owns and flys it
Even w/the cowling off, that is a beautiful plane. It looked like the pilot/operator was not diligent about keeping the stick back, to prevent a nose-over.
Only being 50yrs old I can't grasp how sudden and massive the change in industries and the production output was accomplished. Now or never-do or die but still!
Merlins were amazing (Packard or RR). Now... put into perspective that had WW2 not happened, the anglo-american alliance may not have happened... Roosevelt didn't trust the UK. Churchill staged everything he could at the Newfoundland meeting to reinforce the ties between the US and UK. Lend-Lease basically made it OK to use the other's technology in many ways (aircraft, tanks, ships...) Had Churchill not been successful, there is a large part of the world that would be speaking german now....
LOL, that'll do it alright! National Pride is a bitch. I just like the Hellcat and the Thunderbolt 'cause their both sort of the underdog. I'm glad to finally meet someone who will admit that planes have "pros and cons". Most people choose 1 plane and insist that it's some kind of superplane that was unbeatable, which I find annoying. I'll bet the Spit was often a better dogfighter, but all-around the P-51 is hard to beat. As for the Hornet, I love that plane; good choice. Cheers from the USA!
I'll bet if the Bearcat had ever got a CHANCE to fight any FW 190's, or to be part of any big battles or dogfights, people would remember it a lot more. It was a fucking BEAST of a plane, but it was just a few years too late. And that was just the early versions; imagine if the Bearcat had been developed under wartime pressures? I never understood why everyone has to choose 1 plane and insist that everything else is shit. It's like the Ford vs Chevy guys. I think that BOTH pickups are decent.
There were many similarities between the Spitfire and Mustang (and the Bf-109 too...those two are absolute contemporaries in design), one similarity being that they were both lightweights with water-cooled engines. Of the two, I'd say that the Mustang is the stronger, but nothing compared to a Thunderbolt or Hellcat. The idea behind these designs is to NOT GET HIT in the first place! LOL. The Zero used this philosophy, but to a greater extreme.
@justforever96 I'm Not s sure the P-51 was the stronger against the Spit. From what ive red the spit could turn and roll faster at higher speed, tho the P-51 had a greater range and guns. Both Pros and Con's i guess.
I never really rated the Thunderbolt or Hellcat., dont get me wrong they are very good aircraft but i'd sooner pic the (just postwar) Sea Fury or de Havilland Hornet. but i would say that cause im British LOL
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nice plane, but nothing without that beautiful engine,, oh,,by the way,, made in england,, powerplant to the spitfire,,lancaster,,mosquito,,hurricane,,amongst others.. nice clip,,thanks for posting.
Just to set the record straight, P-51 mustangs (B, C, D, K) were equipped with Packard Merlin engines, manufactured in the U.S. Reference: Robert Gruenhagen's "Mustang", published in 1969.
Yes you "Yanks" do some lovely engineering too, (that wasn't meant to sound condescending) I believe even RR used some American made machine tools in second WW under "lease lend" as we just couldn't keep up with production. Beautiful plane. I don't know why some Brits have a chip, we have nothing to prove?
I just miss the good old solid as a rock engineering us "Yanks" used to make. My grandpa who is 70 has a washing machine that's older than he is and runs better than my 2001 Ford Focus despite being covered in rust.
Same here in "blighty". I had one of the last traditional indentured apprenticeships that was the culmination of hundreds (thousands) of years of Cornish mining, I was taught to make and repair equipment that was worth my time, nowadays if it's broken it is cheaper to chuck and replace with another piece of cheap junk, consumerism in extremis is designed to keep the 2% owning the 50% and the 10% the 90%, it doesn't have to be this way, quality and a stable economy are not mutually exclusive
"If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing," right? And once again, "ignorance is bliss" proves true. The latter is probably my favorite quote of all time.
""If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing," right?" well I would have to say: if it's worth doing it's worth doing well enough so it only has to be done once!
@sfbfriend , I am well aware that they were built by Packard, but designed by Rolls Royce. The expression Packard Merlin is widely used. I am only the messenger here. Built from scratch on license from Rolls, by Packard in the USA.
@fbenenati No problem. I used to work for a company that restored the mustangs. The owners were picky on terminology and I was corrected all the time.
@fbenenati No problem. I used to work for a company that restored the mustangs. The owners were picky on terminology and I was corrected all the time.
@MrAarabic -some of the were.-just like jeeps during ww2-lots of different companies manufactured parts, supplies and vehicles(air and land) as required by the government to support the war effort.
@MrAarabic -some of the were.-just like jeeps during ww2-lots of different companies manufactured parts, supplies and vehicles(air and land) as required by the government to support the war effort. -european companies included.
@av8rdav Hi, Aviator Dave (clever abbreviation you use!), Yes, I know the Brits named it Mustang. Ford Motor Company had the P-51 Mustang in mind when it named its new (at the time, 1964 and a half) Mustang car. Thanks for the reminder.
@av8rdav My license plate here in OK is "IDGP51S" (I dig P-51's). I am originally from CA as well. Grew up in Venice. BTW, you probably know this mustang lives in Alva, OK. I have flown up there (yes, I am a pilot) several times and seen it. The owner also recently restored "L'il Rebel", the plane flown by the other twin brother in WW II. The Patillo twins, whom my twin and I have met, flew the orginal ones in the 352nd FG. I am a mustang fanatic and have flown in 3 of them.
@fbenenati I'm in Petaluma near Santa Rosa. A friend of mine, Dan Vance, owns "Speedball Alice", after his father Art died while flying a Hellcat in Tennessee in October 2005.
The Spanish flew Merlin-equipped 109s after the war. How's THAT for weird? They were monsters, too. Good thing the Germans didn't have Merlins during the war.
The DB601, 603 and 605 inverted-Vee (more like an "A" than a "V") were excellent engines. The Merlin-109's were beasts because they were using post-war developed Merlins. The horsepower of all engines was increased continually even after the war through development. They only used the Merlin because there were many of them available and German industry was a mess. If they had used 1944-era Merlins vs DB605's, the difference would have been minor. The Merlin wouldn't have saved the Germans.
Sir: can you refute the following quotes from Yeager's book? P. 34: "I tell them that the FW 190 is a damned good airplane, probably on par with our own P-51 Mustang". P. 83: "The Focke -Wulf 190 was the only one (German or Japanese) in the same league with the Mustang". I could not find another quote in the book that said the FW 190 was better than the Mustang. Please provide reference support for your assertion that Yeager said FW 190 was better. Thanks in advance.
I read the book "Yeager", and he does give the P-39 several accolades, and gives the mustang just as many or more. As I noted earlier, Bud Anderson states in his book "To fly and fight", that the Mustang is his favorite fighter. I do agree that Yeager is a man of distinguished and fine taste. Thanks for your comments too.
@JGMagoo note the lack of trained / experienced german pilots , lack of fuel and equipment and the endless number of allied aircraft . The veteran germans from the eastern front or africa were slaughtering the allied bombers/ fighters but not the rookies . Without a good pilot , even the world's best aircraft is just a flying target practice .
A friend who was a Blue Angel in the F6F days flew all those US aircraft in comparisons. He says that without a doubt, the best airplane to fight in was the Corsair.
Intersting how different fighter pilots label different planes as "the best". Bud Anderson, triple ace and USAF test pilot, says in his book "To Fly and Fight", that his all time favorite is the P-51 Mustang.
I have his book. What page. As for the Bearcat the stats show it's capablities as quite adept if not better than the FW190D. Too bad there aren't any around whereas there still are Bearcats alive and kicking. Why do think that is?
Close. The F8F Bearcat that was partially designed from the FW-190 was even better!!! Can you please let me know where you found your information regarding Yeager's comments?
@GogglesKittah nice plane!!! i noticed 7 small nazi simbols avobe the left wing close to the copkit, so i guess this plane was really used on WWII and it did shut down 7 nazi planes rigth??
Actually, a Mk IX Spitfire has a RR Merlin. A Mk IX Spitfire with a Packard 266 Merlin is called a Spitfire Mk XVI. Same aircraft, just different engines. Packard chaged the supercharger from Electro pneumatic drive, to Electro Hyydraulic drive. The British use Pneumatics alot in their aircraft (flaps on the Spitfire are Pneumatic, so are the wheel brakes) whereas the Americans prefer hydraulics, so they changed the Supercharger drive. Packard has bigger intercooler too.
Only an idiot and someone untrained about how to act around aircraft on the ground would walk through the plane of the prop disc. If this thing gave up the ghost you'd just simply disappear off the face of the earth. Word to the wise, and ask anybody who's really in the know if you think I'm wrong.
nobody cares about prop-wash. video 2/5.
DAILEYericCaryUSA 3 weeks ago
one gorgeous piece of art work, science, skill and engineering all rolled into one.
AtheistThe 2 months ago
This is love.
NaughtyBastardIsh 2 months ago
That's the best example of an engine that purrs.
nemo227 3 months ago
sweet and lovley is my favorite P-51 :D it was at airventure 2010
hiddenhalo1 4 months ago
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Dude.... quit looking at the fucking dirt. we understand that its moving. Look at the goddamn plane
TweekerFox400 4 months ago
The Yanks couldn't get their Bell X1 supersonic, and so had to use The Brit all flying tail to break through the sound barrier. - Fact.
hoppinonabronzeleg 5 months ago
When the British and Americans put there minds together seems like something Beastly always comes out. P-51 Mustang best most badass Airplane in the sky of all time, AC shelby cobra Meanest most badass car ever on the road
14omega28ok 5 months ago
Why the hell are all you Brits still pissed that a handfull of woodsmen kicked the stuffing out of you royals during the revolution? Let bygones be bygones!!
mulletcar 5 months ago 2
@mulletcar yeah.......but........ they (you)didn't........why do you yanks belittle the great effort we Brits played in the last war? lets face it we took on the might of the Nazi German Air force......... and won! and gave mighty America a breathing space to realise that she was already at war-- and mobilise
TheRanhyn 5 months ago
alot of safety measures there... 2 of you guys stand in the direct line if the prop would come loose , at 2:50 a guy even take a nice stroll infront of
ibazury 6 months ago
What's with that tree? It's windy behind a Merlin powered airplane, we know.
hrc1966 7 months ago
whats more interesting?....that tree and grass?.......or the plane? shot as much footage of the tree and grass as anything!!!!
emoore1978 8 months ago
oops-posted twice-my bad
martian76smiley 8 months ago
o.k.-w all understand the effects of propwash.-focus more on the plane and it's beautiful uncovered rolls royce v-12
martian76smiley 8 months ago
The strength of the American-British partnership in WWII can not be overstated. We fought as brothers. If Britain had not been threatened in WWII, it is entirely possible that the US would have not entered WWII in the European theater. Fundamentally, we fought to keep our British brothers, friends, and allies free. Every other country that kept its liberty as a result was virtually incidental.
Obama has done much to damage the American-British partnership. Why did America elect that idiot?
johnsoncm65 9 months ago
@johnsoncm65 Why did Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, JFK all get killed, and Obama is still alive? Obama does as he is told, that's why!!!!
hoppinonabronzeleg 5 months ago
ok right... the star on the back is the emblem from the air force right? but why are there liek 7 swastikas at the side?
Badmax93 9 months ago
@Badmax93 It shows how many enemy planes he shot down =)
hauntersea1 9 months ago
@Badmax93 the swastikas under the cockpit represent kills of German Aircraft
aardvark154 9 months ago
if u just gunned that thing would it break free?
ganjsmokARE 9 months ago
Great sound. Love seeing the cowling off. Great view we don't get too often!
jedoesq 10 months ago
The tree doesn't stand a chance.
motokid032 10 months ago
@motokid032 so does the sand :D
inktvis009 9 months ago
Really surprised that the tail is not tied down with chocks on the mains for an engine runup.... I wouldn't trust the brakes that much.
keithskye 1 year ago
It really is about time you all knew why the Rolls Royce merlin was built in the USA. First i don't care which is or was best, it's history,
But in 1940 Germany started bombing British citys. And Sheffield in Yorkshire (know as steel city) was where RR had the Merlin Crankshafts forged, now if the Germans had hit the foundry RR could not have made more engines, So the British war office had the engines built in the US,Under licence by Packard, And thats partly how the Mustang got the Merlin..
Kilhamjim 1 year ago
The Mustang came about due to the British placing tenders in the US for a new aircraft as they couldn't manufacture enough themselves. This was prior to the US entering the war. North American won the contract with the Mustang and it's new laminar wing - which reduced the drag and gave the Mustang it's range and speed. The Mustang was all round the best IMHO.
GrantasaurusRex 1 year ago
In response to the Packard Merlins, they were license built by Packard for Rolls Royce. The Mustang's original engine was the Allison 1,100 hp V-1710-P3R then the Allison V-1710-81 OF 1200HP. However it's high altitude performance still suffered and the Brit's suggested the Merlin. Packard was licensed to build the Rolls-Royce Merlin in the United States. The Merlin MADE the Mustang into the best fighter of World War 2. By the way it was the British who named the Mustang.
mackdaddy1911a1 1 year ago
If us Brits are retarded then what are Americans. Think about it, who was around first, and who was around second
thecessnacitation 1 year ago
@thecessnacitation i wonder why americans make fun of you brits... i mean you guys gave us the rolls royce merlin engines that powerred our p-51 mustangs as well as your lanes like the supermarine spitfire..... so if anyone makes fun of brits, just laugh at them.... P.S. im american
MrJp990 1 year ago
@MrJp990 yah, i dont understand the crazy american government
thecessnacitation 1 year ago
@thecessnacitation the only difference between americans and brits is the different accent... haters can just fuck off you know?
MrJp990 1 year ago
@MrJp990 lol
thecessnacitation 1 year ago
@thecessnacitation well its true......
MrJp990 1 year ago
Gotta love the P-51. I guess Ford Motor Company must have, too, eh? Ever seen that new-body Mustang painted Silver with a Yella nose? Sweet......
TheOriginalEAGLE 1 year ago
Why do you show the dirt blowing around? Are you nine years old or what?
rbyholm 1 year ago
I found the dirt and dust only midly interesting by comparison to the baddest ass fighter of ww2. but hey... thats just me.
BiologicalUnit2380 1 year ago
i think as a brit we are all technically incorrect the merlin was a product of a proud workforce here and in the us. from a time where engineering was the cutting edge of mighty nations that had a purpose.
i fell that things these days are not made with as much pride or purpose.
we all argue that this motor was yours or ours,but lost in this was the vanquished german engineering brought to the fore after the war and surprise surprise looking at german engineering output today --we lost the war
hyabusafrank 1 year ago
Beautiful aircraft!!
tygersofpantang 1 year ago
Wow!!!; the sound is so sexy and smooth..well tuned and balanced.
copperlocks1 1 year ago
The Merlin was just a mighty fine engine.....PERIOD!
Who cares what country made it, it made the Muz an absolute legendary plane!!
MgpMontville 1 year ago
ima fly one of these before i die
skippydeenice 1 year ago
Wow, the engine sounds great!
Beemerboy324 1 year ago
In 1940, The British War Office instructed Rolls Royce to look for another company outside Britain to build the Merlin engine (for obvious reasons) and RR approached Henry Ford. However Fords could not meet the build tolorances? expected by RR and so they chose Packard instead . The Mustang (or whatever it was called at the time) had an Allison V12 (SorO). which could not match the Merlin, so thats why the Mustang came to have the RR Merlin engine,
Kilhamjim 1 year ago
@Kilhamjim That's complete nonsense. Ford had the best manufacturing tolerances in the world. Ford INVENTED the modern era of production manufacturing. Far better than Rolls Royce. Henry Ford chose to only do business with U.S. Defense companies, so that (obviously) killed the deal.
The Mustang never had a RR Merlin in it. The Packard Merlin was based on the Merlin, but improved in many ways. Including the design of the main bearings, supercharger, carburetor, and many other enhancements.
EngineerAeronautical 1 year ago 4
@EngineerAeronautical The Allison V-12 was actually better than the RR Merlin in some ways. For one, it had far fewer parts, which enhanced it's reliability and maintainability. The individual components were designed better and of better quality. Allison V-12 connecting rods are still used today by Merlin race engine builders looking for 3000+ horsepower.
The power at high altitude difference was a forced induction problem, not any kind of design flaw in the basic engine design.
EngineerAeronautical 1 year ago 4
@EngineerAeronautical Try a Wik search. Then come back and talk to a Brit who studied WW2 history.
Infact Packard could not meet RR requirements at first and RR had to ship machine tools to the US to start production.
Henry Ford. American Barn Door tecnology at it's best.
Rolls Royce. Probably the best engineering in the World, Then and still today.
Kilhamjim 1 year ago
@Kilhamjim Another jingoistic, retarded Brit...you go ahead and rely on Wikipedia; I'll rely on 3 engineering degrees and 25 years of design and engineering experience. Including the design, engineering, and development of reciprocating IC engines.
U.S. manufacturing was the highest quality in the world in that era. By a huge margin I might add. We exported our quality control and manufacturing expertise to Japan after WWII, and in the following years, to many other countries.
EngineerAeronautical 1 year ago 4
@EngineerAeronautical "another jingoistic, retarded Brit" ... well they are still vastly outnumbered by other jingoists. :-) I'm not countering any technical point, but it was a British engine, built by whomever, enhanced however you like and to minimise that is quite stingy. One could go all the way back to the combustion engine being invented by Otto Diesel if one wanted to be like that. However insecure some British person is, that's not really much excuse for you being the same.
t43562 1 year ago
@Kilhamjim Anyone that believes that Britain had to send machine tools to the U.S. for manufacturing is a complete moron. That is absolutely absurd.
The Packard Merlin was better manufacturing quality than the RR Merlin, period. In addition, Packard and Bendix made significant design and engineering enhancements, some of which were used later on the RR Merlin. Including the main bearing design, and carburetor. Ask any reputable Merlin race engine builder and they'll tell you the same.
EngineerAeronautical 1 year ago 8
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Kilhamjim 1 year ago
@EngineerAeronautical You're forgetting all of the help the British received from NACA research into engine induction aerodynamics during the '30s. The British were also beneficiaries of NACA airfoil research during the war.
The British contributed mightily to aviation, but for the British denizens of YouTube to claim that the "Yanks" would have been completely lost without British babysitting is not only factually inaccurate, it's just plain stupid.
Redmanfms 1 year ago 12
@Redmanfms From what I observed from history the British would have lost to Germany without American intervention. Remember the Lend Lease program. From FDR.
69ssrszl1 7 months ago
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The have a tendancy to forget that little tid-bit. ;)
JohnQRandom 6 months ago
@Redmanfms Please would you demonstrate how American aeronautics were significantly more advanced than British so that 'the help' made significant advancements to our aircraft. Data passed both ways during the 30's and early 40's in a number of key areas. After the war Britain made significant advancements in transonic and supersonic research, which was passed freely to America because we were broke. Factor that with the Nazi tech the USA took and America hasn't go too much to crow about.
xlmp96 6 months ago
@xlmp96 Kind of hard to do in a comments section limited to 500 characters. Simply what I stated, NACA research, particularly in the area of laminar flow and inlet aerodynamics played a significant role in the development of British aircraft and engines.
You should have read my post more carefully. You are yet another jingoist looking for a fight that just isn't there. I don't disagree that Britain has contributed to aviation in a significant capacity.
Redmanfms 6 months ago 3
@xlmp96 As far as us not "having much to crow about" we did build the first heavier than air aircraft, we did build the first production aircraft to exceed 400 mph in level flight, the first aircraft to break the sound barrier in level flight, etc, etc, etc.
The British can be plenty proud of their accomplishments, but as I stated in my original post, the attitude taken by Brits, especially on YT, that us colonials were lost without them is just plain stupid.
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xlmp96 6 months ago
@Redmanfms Type this into Google h2g2 a882272 and see how America politically took our advanced Supersonic research data. That's probably why we're a little bitter towards Americans laying it on thick about how great they are. The relationship between GB and the USA has only ever been 1 way since the war, when America realised they could exploit us because we were broke.
So, it was the British that got you supersonic and the Nazis that got you to the moon, still feeling proud?
xlmp96 6 months ago
@xlmp96
Stop acting like Britain is responsible for US aviation. Technology goes from one country to another, have a look at China and Japan and what they gained by western ideas. The Russians can also thank Germany for their space program, I lived and worked in Samara Russia (their space program base) for 10 months. As for Britain, you're welcome for the radar technology (your country lacked) the US provided your army and navy during your war (scirmish) over the Falklands.
JohnQRandom 6 months ago 2
@Redmanfms I doubt this, manufacturing is different from design. You can take a monkey from a tree and to teach it to do the job on conveyer. And I believe USA was payed among other things by British technology during and at the end of the war. There was nothing valuable left in europe after it, except knowledge. Every european war was very profitable to USA.
JerkCruel 3 months ago
@EngineerAeronautical Packard mass productionised the Merlin and asked RR to reduce tolerances. This was not an amazing quality improvement but to make the aforementioned possible. RR merlins were hand fitted to achieve a tighter tolerances than the mass-produced American engines. The engine was developed and refined many times by RR, especially in the carburetor to enable -ve g operation for short periods. So don't claim the glory of a fantastic British engine that Packard tweeked a little.
xlmp96 6 months ago
@EngineerAeronautical Packard Merlin was the "galloping Ghosts" motor was it not?
RFKFANTS67 4 months ago
@Kilhamjim Henry Ford INVENTED modern production manufacturing techniques and quality control. Only an uneducated imbecile would believe otherwise. Try doing some real research, without your hyper-patriotic, jingoistic bias.
EngineerAeronautical 1 year ago 3
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@EngineerAeronautical Thats so funny, so you think that the Packard Merlin was better than the original makers Merlin? Geez your US TV gives you silly ideas....
Xiolablu3 10 months ago
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No other plane could beat an good old STUKA Sound!
Axis 4 Life!
Batner112 1 year ago
Why were you filming the tree?
bradleyt11 1 year ago
When we gave them to Great Britain they put Rolls Royce engines in them.
v8tomcat 1 year ago
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@v8tomcat
Which performed so much better than the shitty Allison engines they were designed for that they were then manufactured with Packard Merlins built under licence to Rolls Royce...
ginashina 1 year ago
@ginashina That's not fair to the Allison ... it performed admirably in the P 38. It was just a poor match with the P 51.
Zoidberg227 1 year ago 3
@Zoidberg227
Weren't the Allisons turboed in the 38?
friedgreencorrado 1 year ago
@friedgreencorrado True, they were, but the base power plant was still a good design. It just wasn't effective at high altitude without the turbocharger (iirc).
Zoidberg227 1 year ago 3
Absolutely amazing plane, have always wanted to fly one. Hope she flys well and never has a problem in the world. Good luck to who ever the pilot is who owns and flys it
LtHawk77 1 year ago
Funny, I was thinking the same thing when suddenly I read your post DrG
jeffvanark 1 year ago
Looks great / sounds great!
CorsairPacific 1 year ago
p51 is legend
skippydeenice 1 year ago
OH GOD, that Mustang is just... just... No fucking words.
Jubzin 1 year ago
i want that motor in my car
HondaSuperSport1100 1 year ago
Thanks so much for showing the tree!!!!! Duhhhhh
glenpassaretti12 1 year ago
Couple of chocks or a tiedown would have been prudent. Beats standing on the brakes.
bearbon2 1 year ago
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Rolls Royce Merlin built by Packard in USA under license still its a Rolls Royce Merlin Engine no matter how its worded.
without the RR engine the mustang will just be another low altitude low level performance ground attack/bomber aircraft
emforty2 1 year ago
jet camera man
528jkl 1 year ago
Wow, that certainly sounds 'sweet and lovely' too! You tube is full of wonderful things! :D
apbriggs07 1 year ago
Even w/the cowling off, that is a beautiful plane. It looked like the pilot/operator was not diligent about keeping the stick back, to prevent a nose-over.
aagfgerad 1 year ago
Only being 50yrs old I can't grasp how sudden and massive the change in industries and the production output was accomplished. Now or never-do or die but still!
RoknRolUSA 2 years ago
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lets not forget that the mustang was built to british spec's,and the tear drop canopy was a modifcation by the british to give all round visability.
LZDEN 2 years ago
The camera putz seems very fascinated with the blowing dirt and tree. Jeez.
raginh8r 2 years ago
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Merlins were amazing (Packard or RR). Now... put into perspective that had WW2 not happened, the anglo-american alliance may not have happened... Roosevelt didn't trust the UK. Churchill staged everything he could at the Newfoundland meeting to reinforce the ties between the US and UK. Lend-Lease basically made it OK to use the other's technology in many ways (aircraft, tanks, ships...) Had Churchill not been successful, there is a large part of the world that would be speaking german now....
piper131313 2 years ago
nice plane
almotref 2 years ago
LOL, that'll do it alright! National Pride is a bitch. I just like the Hellcat and the Thunderbolt 'cause their both sort of the underdog. I'm glad to finally meet someone who will admit that planes have "pros and cons". Most people choose 1 plane and insist that it's some kind of superplane that was unbeatable, which I find annoying. I'll bet the Spit was often a better dogfighter, but all-around the P-51 is hard to beat. As for the Hornet, I love that plane; good choice. Cheers from the USA!
justforever96 2 years ago
I'll bet if the Bearcat had ever got a CHANCE to fight any FW 190's, or to be part of any big battles or dogfights, people would remember it a lot more. It was a fucking BEAST of a plane, but it was just a few years too late. And that was just the early versions; imagine if the Bearcat had been developed under wartime pressures? I never understood why everyone has to choose 1 plane and insist that everything else is shit. It's like the Ford vs Chevy guys. I think that BOTH pickups are decent.
justforever96 2 years ago 3
Agreed. The F6F is badazz
WakeUpDummies 2 years ago
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@Scharfschutzen1 thats a good point. they were a sleek aircraft but not designed for sturdy use. more for agility.
tubbymarshall 2 years ago
There were many similarities between the Spitfire and Mustang (and the Bf-109 too...those two are absolute contemporaries in design), one similarity being that they were both lightweights with water-cooled engines. Of the two, I'd say that the Mustang is the stronger, but nothing compared to a Thunderbolt or Hellcat. The idea behind these designs is to NOT GET HIT in the first place! LOL. The Zero used this philosophy, but to a greater extreme.
justforever96 2 years ago
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@justforever96 I'm Not s sure the P-51 was the stronger against the Spit. From what ive red the spit could turn and roll faster at higher speed, tho the P-51 had a greater range and guns. Both Pros and Con's i guess.
I never really rated the Thunderbolt or Hellcat., dont get me wrong they are very good aircraft but i'd sooner pic the (just postwar) Sea Fury or de Havilland Hornet. but i would say that cause im British LOL
dj8work 2 years ago
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nice plane, but nothing without that beautiful engine,, oh,,by the way,, made in england,, powerplant to the spitfire,,lancaster,,mosquito,,hurricane,,amongst others.. nice clip,,thanks for posting.
tubbymarshall 2 years ago
Just to set the record straight, P-51 mustangs (B, C, D, K) were equipped with Packard Merlin engines, manufactured in the U.S. Reference: Robert Gruenhagen's "Mustang", published in 1969.
fbenenati 2 years ago 15
Yes you "Yanks" do some lovely engineering too, (that wasn't meant to sound condescending) I believe even RR used some American made machine tools in second WW under "lease lend" as we just couldn't keep up with production. Beautiful plane. I don't know why some Brits have a chip, we have nothing to prove?
cannissolis 2 years ago 4
I just miss the good old solid as a rock engineering us "Yanks" used to make. My grandpa who is 70 has a washing machine that's older than he is and runs better than my 2001 Ford Focus despite being covered in rust.
dracorider 1 year ago 3
Same here in "blighty". I had one of the last traditional indentured apprenticeships that was the culmination of hundreds (thousands) of years of Cornish mining, I was taught to make and repair equipment that was worth my time, nowadays if it's broken it is cheaper to chuck and replace with another piece of cheap junk, consumerism in extremis is designed to keep the 2% owning the 50% and the 10% the 90%, it doesn't have to be this way, quality and a stable economy are not mutually exclusive
cannissolis 1 year ago 2
"If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing," right? And once again, "ignorance is bliss" proves true. The latter is probably my favorite quote of all time.
dracorider 1 year ago
""If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing," right?" well I would have to say: if it's worth doing it's worth doing well enough so it only has to be done once!
cannissolis 1 year ago
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@fbenenati ,They were Rolls Royce Merlin. Only built by Packard. They were not packard engines
sfbfriend 1 year ago
@sfbfriend , I am well aware that they were built by Packard, but designed by Rolls Royce. The expression Packard Merlin is widely used. I am only the messenger here. Built from scratch on license from Rolls, by Packard in the USA.
fbenenati 1 year ago 3
@fbenenati No problem. I used to work for a company that restored the mustangs. The owners were picky on terminology and I was corrected all the time.
sfbfriend 1 year ago
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@fbenenati No problem. I used to work for a company that restored the mustangs. The owners were picky on terminology and I was corrected all the time.
sfbfriend 1 year ago
@fbenenati
That'll be the Packard Merlin from the Rolls Royce (of England) Merlin plans then will it?
GodStink 1 year ago
@fbenenati Thought they were equipped with Rolls Royce engines?
MrAarabic 8 months ago
@MrAarabic Merlin engines, manufactured by Packard Motor Co. in the USA, under license from Rolls Royce in England.
fbenenati 8 months ago
@MrAarabic -some of the were.-just like jeeps during ww2-lots of different companies manufactured parts, supplies and vehicles(air and land) as required by the government to support the war effort.
martian76smiley 8 months ago
@MrAarabic -some of the were.-just like jeeps during ww2-lots of different companies manufactured parts, supplies and vehicles(air and land) as required by the government to support the war effort. -european companies included.
martian76smiley 8 months ago
@fbenenati yes merlin a British invented engine that we had to give to the Americans in the war
nickjgriff 8 months ago
@fbenenati As were the RAF P-51's. In fact the British named the plane Mustang.
av8rdav 8 months ago
@av8rdav Hi, Aviator Dave (clever abbreviation you use!), Yes, I know the Brits named it Mustang. Ford Motor Company had the P-51 Mustang in mind when it named its new (at the time, 1964 and a half) Mustang car. Thanks for the reminder.
fbenenati 8 months ago
@fbenenati Thanks. It's my license plate on my car. It was my 3rd choice and I've had it since 1989 here in California.
av8rdav 8 months ago
@av8rdav My license plate here in OK is "IDGP51S" (I dig P-51's). I am originally from CA as well. Grew up in Venice. BTW, you probably know this mustang lives in Alva, OK. I have flown up there (yes, I am a pilot) several times and seen it. The owner also recently restored "L'il Rebel", the plane flown by the other twin brother in WW II. The Patillo twins, whom my twin and I have met, flew the orginal ones in the 352nd FG. I am a mustang fanatic and have flown in 3 of them.
fbenenati 8 months ago
@fbenenati I'm in Petaluma near Santa Rosa. A friend of mine, Dan Vance, owns "Speedball Alice", after his father Art died while flying a Hellcat in Tennessee in October 2005.
av8rdav 8 months ago
Hey Dumb ass: a burst of 20MM will send
any aircraft down, but the important thing is that it was German aircraft that were going down at a faster rate. Wake up.
1903A3shooter 2 years ago 4
The Spanish flew Merlin-equipped 109s after the war. How's THAT for weird? They were monsters, too. Good thing the Germans didn't have Merlins during the war.
mickeyqbitsko 2 years ago
HA-1112's and HA-1109's.
mrrmancunian 2 years ago
The DB601, 603 and 605 inverted-Vee (more like an "A" than a "V") were excellent engines. The Merlin-109's were beasts because they were using post-war developed Merlins. The horsepower of all engines was increased continually even after the war through development. They only used the Merlin because there were many of them available and German industry was a mess. If they had used 1944-era Merlins vs DB605's, the difference would have been minor. The Merlin wouldn't have saved the Germans.
justforever96 2 years ago
Sir: can you refute the following quotes from Yeager's book? P. 34: "I tell them that the FW 190 is a damned good airplane, probably on par with our own P-51 Mustang". P. 83: "The Focke -Wulf 190 was the only one (German or Japanese) in the same league with the Mustang". I could not find another quote in the book that said the FW 190 was better than the Mustang. Please provide reference support for your assertion that Yeager said FW 190 was better. Thanks in advance.
fbenenati 2 years ago 9
@fbenenati
Yeager said the P-39 was his favorite ... a man with fine and distinguished taste.
GodStink 1 year ago
@GodStink
I read the book "Yeager", and he does give the P-39 several accolades, and gives the mustang just as many or more. As I noted earlier, Bud Anderson states in his book "To fly and fight", that the Mustang is his favorite fighter. I do agree that Yeager is a man of distinguished and fine taste. Thanks for your comments too.
fbenenati 1 year ago
@fbenenati I'm pretty sure he said "favourite" but can't find my copy of Yeager ... mind you, I'm biased :D
GodStink 1 year ago
@fbenenati Re: :"Which is better?"
Note who won the war.
JGMagoo 1 year ago
@JGMagoo note the lack of trained / experienced german pilots , lack of fuel and equipment and the endless number of allied aircraft . The veteran germans from the eastern front or africa were slaughtering the allied bombers/ fighters but not the rookies . Without a good pilot , even the world's best aircraft is just a flying target practice .
Andrismilitary 1 year ago
P 51 were able to escort allied bombers all the way into Germany no other fighter plane of that era was able to accomplish that.
Plus they were able to win a dog fight against any German fighter.
elzorro43 2 years ago 4
A friend who was a Blue Angel in the F6F days flew all those US aircraft in comparisons. He says that without a doubt, the best airplane to fight in was the Corsair.
TheZerocinco 2 years ago
Intersting how different fighter pilots label different planes as "the best". Bud Anderson, triple ace and USAF test pilot, says in his book "To Fly and Fight", that his all time favorite is the P-51 Mustang.
fbenenati 2 years ago
I have his book. What page. As for the Bearcat the stats show it's capablities as quite adept if not better than the FW190D. Too bad there aren't any around whereas there still are Bearcats alive and kicking. Why do think that is?
kbroma01 2 years ago 2
Close. The F8F Bearcat that was partially designed from the FW-190 was even better!!! Can you please let me know where you found your information regarding Yeager's comments?
kbroma01 2 years ago
She's quite a "hotrod". Dad was in Leyte
and Saipan on a CVE 40mm loader.
It isn't known to this day just how many
planes they knocked down. Insane.
jammidol 2 years ago
who gives a shit about the tree??????
DrGonzo4u 2 years ago 14
LMAO
GogglesKittah 2 years ago
@GogglesKittah nice plane!!! i noticed 7 small nazi simbols avobe the left wing close to the copkit, so i guess this plane was really used on WWII and it did shut down 7 nazi planes rigth??
ricardoeldelmustang 1 year ago
my favorite plane
ihelk 2 years ago 2
the spitfire is the great without doubt..
kinkaid25 2 years ago
Wioot a doubt m8" its thanks too our great designers like mitchell that our ammerican friends even have descent fighter planes".
But as u say the spitfire was unparalled" in her beutifull engines too her unmatched handling and dogfighting characteristics".
After all thats where ur slow as hell plane too barell roll p 51 mustang even came from , from our spitfire and seafires".
Hail Pete Mitchell the best airoplane designer there ever was....such a crime he never got too know his plane won ww2.
SBRtheBlackDouglas 2 years ago
"The P51 will do for 8 hours what the spitfire could do for 45 minutes,"
General Chuck Yeager
1vdn992 2 years ago 4
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Became a fantastic aircraft after the Brits tweaked it, added that gorgeous Merlin and called it MUSTANG!
biomed2 2 years ago
The Merlin is an awesome engine!!
1998disco72 2 years ago
And what is that?
Dragon22873 2 years ago
Spitfire all the way.
barthoedemaker 2 years ago
Sweet and lovely sound
VMFA115Starloric 2 years ago
Reduction drive to the prop was slightly different as well. 0.471:1 for the RR and 0.469:1 for the Packard IIRC. Might be the other way round.
noooby100 2 years ago
Actually, a Mk IX Spitfire has a RR Merlin. A Mk IX Spitfire with a Packard 266 Merlin is called a Spitfire Mk XVI. Same aircraft, just different engines. Packard chaged the supercharger from Electro pneumatic drive, to Electro Hyydraulic drive. The British use Pneumatics alot in their aircraft (flaps on the Spitfire are Pneumatic, so are the wheel brakes) whereas the Americans prefer hydraulics, so they changed the Supercharger drive. Packard has bigger intercooler too.
noooby100 2 years ago 2
Actually, the Mk. IX Spitfire has an RR Griffon engine, if I'm not mistaken. 37 Litres over 27.
lordieuan777 2 years ago
I don't think the Griffon came along until the Mark XIV
1vdn992 2 years ago
Nope, just Wiki'ed it, it was actually the Mk. XII.
lordieuan777 2 years ago
Too bad they never put a Griffon in a Mustang
1vdn992 2 years ago
I heard about someone doing just that for a Reno racer, with a contra rotating propellor.
lordieuan777 2 years ago
Yeah, The Red Baron flown by Steve Hinton, but it crashed. 555 P51H's were made though with a top speed of 487 mph.
1vdn992 2 years ago 2
487? Shiiit... Puts the Sea Fury in it's place!
lordieuan777 2 years ago 2
The Mustang info was also wiki'ed if you care to look it up
1vdn992 2 years ago
Some Spits had PM's in.
zucoy21z89 2 years ago 2
I prefer the 1710 to a Merlin. Just something about the Alisons that make them so godly.
metallicastarwarsfan 2 years ago
and so bad at high altitude
1littlelee 2 years ago
engineering beauty !
maxfieldmeister 2 years ago 2
Only an idiot and someone untrained about how to act around aircraft on the ground would walk through the plane of the prop disc. If this thing gave up the ghost you'd just simply disappear off the face of the earth. Word to the wise, and ask anybody who's really in the know if you think I'm wrong.
griffonev1 2 years ago
Very good camera work. I like P-51 Mustang very much.
But my father seems not. Because when my father was on a train,
one Mustang suddenly attacked and many people were killed.
P-51 Mustang is very beautiful but also a very formidable weapon.
yonaoimete 2 years ago
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molinobeer 2 years ago
my dads fighter wing originated from 352nd... i used to walk around Preddy Buiding
GMoneyGoVols 2 years ago
You are correct, sir.
GogglesKittah 2 years ago
Is that 8th AF petie 2nd?
ktc8308 2 years ago
This airplane is "Sweet and Lovely."
GogglesKittah 2 years ago