I have all the respect in the world for BJJ, but the Gracie is a giant compared to this TKD black belt. Also I hear a lot of people saying that there is no "striking" in TKD, but we practice hand strikes, arm bars, wrist locks and many other techniques. I think a lot depends on the Master doing the teaching. My Master is a 7th degree black belt from Korea, cat quick, and extreme power. As with most Korean masters, he spent time in the military learning no rules fight to the death techniques.
@isloewen2,Never said it doesn't work,would love to train bjj.I said bjj is not the"be all","end all" of self defense.Pain and injury are two different things.People can and do fight through pain,but it is very hard to fight through an injury.I'm willing to admit that my tkd training does not prepare me for everthing,that's why I train in combatives as well.The Gracie's are great,but they're not gonna put out a DVD of them losing.
@sunshineEWD view the hundreds of Gracie challenges, they have proven the effectiveness of their method of fighting in no holds barred matches, in the age of MMA, martial artist have to prove themselves, statements like "BJJ doesn't actually work in the street" needs to be followed up with evidence
@sunshineEWD those dirty fighting tactics can also result in a fight NOT ending. People can fight through intense pain and injury if adrenaline is high enough. People cannot fight with broken arms, shoulders or when choke unconscious. The MMA/Streetfight argument is tired traditional MA propaganda, there may be rules and judges but MMA is a much closer simulation of a real fight than anything else
I suggest you read Kelly McCann's books,or even buy his videos.Real fighting and cage fighting are two different things.I've said before that bjj is great,but it does not make one invincible.BJJ guys lose in the cage also.That's why everyone cross trains now.MMA has rules because a broken finger,groin shot or even a slight poke to the eyes can stop a fight,I've studied street fights for years,they're ugly and look nothing like a MMA match.If you do BJJ,GREAT,but please branch out.
@sunshineEWD no, those attacks DO NOT happen often, and when they do they contain too many variables to really prepare for. Biting and "attacking the balls" are easy to say you can do, but with good Jiu Jitsu technique there is no one alive who can think in that type of pain. Trying dirty fighting tactics on a GJJ practicioner's is just increasing the likelihood that they DON'T LET YOU tap
@jamesellis33.Multiple attacks happen all the time,even at a kids little league game.All I'm saying is to pick a fighting style and get good at it,then branch out into other styles and techniques.I train combatives along with TKD.TKD is my base art.All this video is,is a promotion for Gracie Jujitsu.I would have tried to take a bite out of the back of Rener's thigh at the 32-34 sec. mark.I'd rip the balls off a naked guy if it meant i could go home to be with my family.
BJJ is a great art,no doubt,but it's not for the street.The last thing you want in a street fight is to go to the ground where 5 other guys can stomp on your head.I practice TKD,(ITF) we use every part of our body in a real street confrontation.What this guy could'nt do here is jam his thumb into his opponents eye. In a real fight,I would have.No"one" martial art is the best,it's always good to cross train.
@sunshineEWD that almost will never happen that a guy that messes with you will have friends. Only in a bar which I don't know why an self respecting martial artist would be caught in a trashy place like that. You wouldn't see Rener in a filthy place like that. You put yourself in a situation like that you deserve what happens to you.
Ok this is BULLSHIT! If i was fighting against that guy i would of fucking roundhoused his ass to the ground and axe kick finish his ass.are you serious ?
@vaiocaraio Sorry DUDE I don't entirely understand your broken english. And whats up with "striking into your ass"? As for the Gracies I love em dude I own alot of their selfedefense dvds I like their take on BJJ. But they are a money machine and they sell Jiu-jitsu very well. Going to the ground isnt always the safest thing to do. Whats up with the hostility dude ? Did I insult you? Motherfucker? Ok tell your Mom to make sadwiches I'm coming over tonight.
for all you fags out there and you get into a fight in real life with a jiu- jitsu fighter and he or she kicks your ass im preety sure that you wont talk shit with street fights its not a real fight you just go for the eyes stick your fingers in there eyes fight over because jui-jitsu is about self defence and tae-kwon-do is about striking im not sayin its true jui-jitsu and tae-kwon-do is same value
Let me punch in your throat while you take me to the ground. Lets se ehow long all that holding last or split your fingers in half and break your hand. All this letting them go to the ground becadus ethere no deadly strikes is mumbo jumbo its not real fighting. This is i can lay on you since you can't do any deadly hits that could kill me. but i can break your arm.
its basicall you can do karate on me but no eye gouging no ball grabbing and no finger type punches. And no throat punchign. so bacially i get to lay on top of you until i get you in a lock and you cant do any deadly hits because that not fair.
thats silly Im a Taekwondo black belt and if he came at me and tried to go for a take down i would go straight for a jumping kick to the ribs/kidneys or at least be slightly more proactive about it. that supposed black belt must be very inexperienced not to even throw a strike.
Ok I have had about 5 responses to my comment now and I'm starting to get annoyed. I have seen good strikers first hand. Any one hear of Rick Roufus? Look him up I trained with the guy. I like the Gracies but this guy they had Renner with is a tomato can. A real fighter would at least try to hit him if he is a good striker.
The instructor in the background sounded afraid...................haha, "tap out, tap out".............like he knew that arm was getting ready to start crackling and snapping.
I know TKD can't compare to BJJ but why didn't the TKD guy try to hit Rener even when they're on the ground? TKD is all strikes. Was he allowed? In the original UFC's, guys were trying to hit Royce. I wonder what would've happened if the TKD guy hammer fisted Rener on the ground? Would Rener have lost his temper and purposely try to hurt him?
@hondaciviccoupe10 Well in the first couple of UFC's when people would hit Royce he wouldn't hit them back and he would STILL win, Rener, unlike Royce, has some strinking background, so odds are it wouldn't have been very good for the TKD fighter.
agreed- why didnt he strike at least once? or was this a grappling challenge between a TKD BB and Rener? i love BJJ but the guy didnt seem to put in any effort for his art to even make a challenge.
Its like a wrestler. All the bjj guy has to do is time his takedown. Then its all over. If the tkd guy throws a kick, you time it correctly and its a takedown.
U dont realize how takedowns affect your opponents mentality.
He is allowed to strike, Rener strikes him in this video. Simple fact is it's not so easy to hit someone when they don't want to have a stand up exchange with you. Have you ever seen a challenge match? There about proving GJJ is a credible fighting style, it's not well-rounded fighter vs well-rounded fighter
GJJ is BJJ with emphasis on a real fight, they do all the same moves but against opponents with boxing gloves on, they also do alot of weapons training and don't compete
0:28 shows the 1.5 variation of triangle in Gracie Combative DVD (its funny cause I watch this at the same time watching the dvd w/c rener breaksdown the steps to lock a triangle choke but in this video he makes a transition to an arm bar)
whats gracie jiu jitsu ? isnt it bjj? i know theres the gracie family who started it but arent there other names like whats the difference btwn gracie and bjj?
traditonal tkd is awesome. but i don't even recognize any tkd in this...so if i understand these cahllenge matches you always fight the gracies in their trained field w/o using your trained skill. all this vid proves is that a nongrappling style vs a grappling style using only grappling loses
@jscarpa2002 well hes in guard so he cant really do anything and hes just worrying about what the bjj guy is going to do next and trying to get back on his feet. its actually really difficult to strike against a bjj guy because if you miss he'll grab you
@Shuukyou Not to discredit anything as Ive taken BJJ for about a year back in the day but in no holds barred fights no one EVER tries to kick the leg at the knee.Ever notice that?I think its fear of permanent injury to someone and its "not worth it" just to prove something or people just dont know.
@jscarpa2002 That TKD practitioner is a McDojo black belt. If any McDojo black belt is reading this, just know I stay at home all day caring for my sick mother, I smoke cigs , im overweight and I sit at the computer allot and I can still whip your ass. I hate Mcdojo black belts. A McDojo Black belt is one of those people who if you watch them, they clearly suck at the art they claim to be proficient in.
@jscarpa2002 THE STRIKING HAS INTO YOUR ASS, DUDE, U DONT KNOW THE JIU-JITSU ONLY WORKS WITH ALL THE RULES OF THE SPORTING FIGHTS ?? GO TO HELL UR MOTHFUCKER.
@jscarpa2002 Tae-kwon-do isn't an art that focuses on striking it is true that we have a fair amount of striking moves but we mainly focus on kicking and I have to say that is what made me almost ill watching this because more or less the entire thing was fought on the ground.
To be fair I have only sparred with other Tae-Kwon-Do practitioners but this guy didn't apply any of his knowledge of the art to this particular match.
@holidayrap I just watched the King Mo bout. People that glorify BJJ are WAY worse than the TMA followers at making excuses. Some of those comments were utter bullshit, like blaming the WHOLE reason he lost was because of a headbutt.
@holidayrap look up the gracie hunter he used traditional JJ and whooped them all. it took a young gracie on steroids to finally beat the 40 year old sakuraba lol
@SKKTatsu Actually Kazushi was a trained catch wrestler, not Japanese Jiujutsu, all of his training came from Billy Robinson. And Ralek is far from being on steroids. Careful making up things for your own benefit, eventually someone like me who knows the facts will call you on your lies.
@SKKTatsu So obviously you're not aware that Sakuraba was a Japanese professional wrestler long before he moved to MMA? He comes from the Takada stable, if you even know what that means. ALL of the UWFi wrestlers were Karl Gotch (Istaz) and Billy Robinson trained catch wrestlers. Study the history of catch wrestling and Japanese Pro Wrestling and you'll learn something.
@SKKTatsu I've been following Sak since 1997 when he fought at UFC Japan, check out all that I say and you'll know who's right and who's wrong. And Royce was the only Gracie to get popped for PED's, don't trust Sherdog as a credable news source.
@holidayrap SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HOLIDAY RAP.....WTF.......STUPIDEST THING I EVER HEARD "HOLIGAY RAP" IS WHAT YOUR NAME SHOULD BE.......FUCK OUT OF HERE
I have a LOT of respect for BJJ. I have beat guys that outweigh me by nearly 100 pounds. This however is a very poor demonstration of TKD. He never even attempted a kick. To really be a good fighter, you need to be well rounded. Without some BJJ training you are toast against someone with it.
@CruzinHardlyBrusin Jeet Kune Do isn't really an art rather than a combination of arts built on the philosophy of adding more arts to creaste your own personal mix. Therefore "Jeet Kune Do" + BJJ = Jeet Kune Do.
all he does is take people who are trained as strikers wrestle them down and choke them out. I took jiu jitsu for a while when I had time to commit to it and I learned a lot but a black belt shitting on someone who has no experience isn't really impressive.
wing chun is gay as shit. have fun going spastic as dog diarrhea during randori... UFC 1-5 were no rules, anything goes. The Gracie's proved if you have one thing to bring to a one on one fight then BJJ is it.
(cont.) ground fighting, this leaves it pretty usless BUT NOT COMPLETELY USELESS, Martial Arts have just evolved, people need to realize this, Karate, TKD, Wing Chun are now obsolete, in a couple years from now the "best" martial arts will be obsolete, it's just the truth, it's like arguing saying a Civil war era gun is better then 1 used today, completely illogical.
@tywainwright1 To bad what people don't realize is that Martial Arts does evolve, Karate has evolved and Goju Ryu Karate has had moves as defense against ground work since the day it was invented. Now that ground game is being popularized, it's becoming a larger part of curriculum today. Even TMA's evolve with the time, while keeping principles. To many TMArtist's believe, "I move like a robot in class, it must work on the street" and don't understand how to practically apply what they know.
@tywainwright1 There are only so many ways the human body can move and only so fast and powerful it can become. It's not the same case with guns where you can develop them to the point where they can destroy anything. All Martial Art styles, ALL OF THEM, have a science behind it. There's a trial and error. If they don't work now or didn't work then, they'd fade into history.
Maybe my first comment wasn't clear enough to relate to the topic. Looking back I should have added more. Sorry bout that
@Sevv9220 Don't apollogize, you have clarified enough. I agree, there is trial and error,, older martial arts, such as TKD were the trial and the error, so we evolved in our martial arts and improved upon them. These newer systems are the result of this "trial and error" process. The future will most likely hold even more improvments, thus making TODAYS styles obsolete.
@tywainwright1 I can assure you as a BJJ and TKD student TKD is great for standing up but it teaches nothing for the ground. This doesn't take away from TKD it's up to the martial artist to be smart enough to cross train and be prepared for any fighting situation.
@tywainwright1 Um no the striking is just fine else you'd be an idiot and say the opposite only BJJ is a worthwhile martial art which would be ridiculous.
@tywainwright1 Okay which is why I said you train in BJJ also and yes you are discounting TKD totally because of the lack of ground work but you don't discount BJJ because if it's lack of emphasis on striking.
@harr77 No i'm discounting TDK because it doesn't work on the ground OR standing up, those high flying kicks are useless in a real fight, completely pointless, and yes BJJ doesn't have striking which is why I beleive it should be used with another Martila Arts that emphasizes striking, just not TKD because TKD is useless! But the thought the BJJ itself is the best Martial Art is completely illogical, however to say TKD is usefull is INCREDABLY illogical!
@tywainwright1 The kicks are for show and competition the normal kicks have nothing to do with what you described of course no one is going to do a spinning tornado in combat but I have to defer my opinion to the militarizes of two countries if it's good enough for N and S Korea there has to be something in it for everyone else. I would suggest adding more to your arsenal than TKD and BJJ I'll be adding a night of kickboxing starting next month imo all martial arts have something useful.
@harr77 Well yes of course, I shouldn't say EVERYTHING in TKD is useless, however I don't see the practicallity of practicing a kick, lets say butterfly kick, just to show off, let say I practice the butterfly kick 30 minutes in class today, that's 30 minutes I have wasted, 30 minutes I could have been practicing a knife defense or something more usefull.
Taekwondo is a good foundation to learn how to kick. Of course you don't use a tornado kick in self defense, in self defense you don't use grappling either. In self defense you do what's necessary, such as groin kicks or quick jabs/elbow. I've practiced tkd, bjj and wing chun and my opinion is that in a ring, grappling always win style versus style, but in real life, full contact, you need to mix it up.
@onepiece321321 Yes of course I feel that if you practice 1 style you will not have enough to survive in a street fight, however you wouldn't use grappling in a street fight? I see why you would NOT want the fight to go to the ground, but what if THEY take it to the ground and you have no choice but to fight on the ground? (which happens in MANY street fights) then you will need to use your BJJ ( obviously mixed with eye gouges, throat shots, bites, etc.) and TKD IS a good foundation fo r kicki
@onepiece321321 (cont.) kicking but is not effective at all, you have maybe 2 good techniques, the rest is useless trash, TKD (along with wing chun, karate, and all types of kung fu) is something I would enroll my 5 year old son in to get ready for real fighting, such as MCMAP, Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do (maybe) , Muay Thai, BJJ, Sambo, etc.
@tywainwright1 my background is in okinawan karate and i have recently been training in krav maga. all of the strikes and blocks in krav maga are the same as karate. in fact, the only difference i have found in it is the addition of defenses against weapons. sport karate done for tournaments and karate done for self defense are two completely different things. for wing chun, look up gary lam and then tell me that style is ineffective and for little kids.
@eamonob84 Well yes i'm not saying they are COMPLETELY useless, Karate I beleive hase SOME blocks that are effective, for Wing Chun some techniques and principles are practical, but a very low number, the way most Karateka train is completely ineffective, no weapons disarming, no weapons training (except swords and other impractical weapons) there stance leaves them completely vulnurable, there usually isn't much conditioning (with the exception of some far Eastern schools) and absolutly no gro
@tywainwright1 That's why you train in a Traditional Goju Ryu School. My dojo taught all of that, plus we have conditioning. But don't expect to use what you learn there in any UFC torny. We use "Dirty" and "Illegal" tricks. Whenever it get's taken to the ground, someone is either on top, or bottom, and they leave their eyes wide open. Because they don't need to protect them, I would aim for them. It's hard to fight without eyes.
@HairofSteel555 Why didn't you learn "dirty" or "illegal" tricks? Everything goes in a fight, i'll bite your eyes out if I have too, but ground fighting should go much deeper then just an eye gouge.
@HairofSteel555 you are delusional. BJJ is about LEVERAGE; I have position - I can do what I want to you - you can't do it to me. You can go for my eyes but I can go for yours with LEVERAGE - which means - you get hurt. And making the fight dirty means you get hurt real bad from a BJJ guy. The best is to run only if you must; you can get dirty but against a skilled player, it won't work
@Bzdi138 It takes two hands to bar an arm, a broken arm can heal. Your missing eye, that's a different story. If you think you're EVER going to get into a fight and NOT get hit, you're the delusional one. Your ground fighting shit doesn't always work, and I've seen it fail before. This isn't the art granted by Jesus to defeat all.
@onepiece321321 My dad is a boxing coach and used to tell me when I was in my teens ground fighting is useless and a real man use his fist. He thought my catch wrestling/Judo training would not work in the street. We lived in a bad area were getting into figts happened alot. I didnt win every fight but 98% of them. All of them was in close and ended up on the ground. Its not just submission that do it, its the clinch and being about to control the guy. If I had to pick id pick ground fighting.
if sakuraba did not practice taekwondo, the fight can be wrong example because his kick will not be strong enough and he does not know how to step to make required space for his strike.
Once again, kicks to a downed opponent (doesn't matter what angle) were legal in Pride. Sakuraba even attempted one against Royce Gracie when he was on his back, bottom line: if you don't have the required space = you can't effectively strike, ANY strike. If you feel this is wrong, pick a fight, film it, prove your point
soccer kick is one of kicking face after takedown. when you kick face against floor, kick is much stronger because floor block backside of face. skull can be broken. it is reported that taekwondo athletes has stronger kick than other athletes and taekwondo athletes practice this kick. this kick will be very dangerous to anyone who is taken down to floor. when this kick is banned in ufc, most martial artist did not complained because kicking face after takedown is not their style.
Kicks to a downed opponent are indeed very dangerous but plenty of MMA arena's in the past allowed "soccer kicks" and it didn't prove to be anything revolutionary, not the ultimate finishing move, all associated martial arts retained there effectiveness. It's also a invalid argument in the first place because at no point in that match did Rener give the TKD guy the room necessary to use ANY strike
it is not fair match because gracie guy is much bigger. many martial artists do not know taekwondo hosinsul using takedown, joint etc. kicking face after takedown is dangerous technique in taekwondo hosinsul. when your face is kicked after takedown, your teeth will be all out. that's why this kick is banned in ufc. anyone can kick face after takedown. but there is no kicking face after takedown in jujitsu, judo, karate, muaythai, boxing etc.
Tar kwon do has amazing kicks, the best possibly, just ask GSP! the fact remains however that to execute any strike a fighter has to be at a perfect distance, jiu jitsu fighters live to not give people that required distance
Everything was allowed, Effectively punching from a close position is difficult, Rener used his GJJ skills to close the distance before the TKD man was able to use his strikes
i believe bjj is a style that will make ur fighting skills way better, i had practiced boxing since 10 years ago n im good in strret fights using it but since i learned bjj, i became from hard to beat to almost unbeatable, mixing both styles.
I'll agree Jiu-jitsu is an awesome and an often misunderstood style but that TKD guy probably paid for his blackbelt. He was terrible. TKD is a striking style, I have no idea why he tried to grapple. Some TKD schools teach hapkido and even that is more of throwing/joint locks but not ground fighting
If your a martial art hobbyist or just want to learn something for self-defense, yes, no real reason to train anything else. A professional fighter however, should train in styles that allow him/her to succeed with MMA rules
And i was so close to executing the arm bar from his near standing position but decided to, in a sense, trip him by pulling his Gi at his wrist and by applying leg pressure on his ankles and it worked so I dragged him by the gi and eventually executed the triangle and forced the tap :) Classic Gracie style! Thats why Gracie jiujitsu is AWESOME!
HA HA! The irony is, I train in Taekwondo and we were doing some self defense moves and I was like " Okay, how bout when your on the ground? Can you generate enough power to knock your assailant off you?(In he words of rener :) )" and other blah blah stuff. And then I go on to demonstrate how to escape from the guard with the basic GJJ escape in lesson 1 of Gracie combatives against this 6 foot something guy, then we started rolling on the ground and he started going bonkers
In real life fights have no weight classes, also we DON'T KNOW the combatants weights, Rener is a pretty think guy and the TKD fighter looked pretty muscular.
@orizzonte THIS IS BIASED TOWARD GRACIE AND A BIT UNFAIR TO THE TAE KWONDO GUY, AS HE IS GIVING UP A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT AND WEIGHT. THIS IS A HEAVYWEIGHT AGAINST A LIGHTWEIGHT. REGARDLESS OF THE MARITAL ART STYLE, COMBATANTS ARE ALWAYS MATCHED BY WEIGHT CLASS.
It doesn't matter if TKD guy threw a kick or not, the GJJ standup remains the same, unless the TKD fighters skills were on par with professional fighters and he has done some grappling training, he would lose anyway, how many case studies have to be presented before people simply realize that GJJ is the simplest, most efficient and effective martial art.
when u are a striker fighting another striker, you're striking is fine; when it's against a grappler, it's fucked because the grappler doesn't want to exchange with you, and now you have to worry about being grabbed; against a striker a blocked or missed strike is no big deal, against a bjj guy, it means you will be grabbed controlled and choked out or broken limbs if it's a street fight
Jiu Jitsu just seems to be the most effective art. It's not the most aesthetically pleasing art form like what you used to see in Bruce Lee movies but it's definately the most effective. Jui Jitsu wins against any other martial art 9 times out of 10.
TKD blackbelt my ass. Didn't throw a single kick. If this was a TKD blackbelt vs a JJ fighter in a grappling match maybe. But there's no way this was using MMA rules, or even street rules.
As usual Gracies altering the nature of the situation to their benefit. Cowards.
@Squirrelfighter1 have you not seeing UFC 1... that disproves everything you said... you retard! if your a tae kwon do guy are you just gonna come in and throw a kcick right away? no Rener would've caught it or rushed while he was off balance, the TKD guy didnt feel comfortable so he was feeling it out.
TKD blackbelt my ass. Didn't throw a single kick. If this was a TKD blackbelt vs a JJ fighter in a grappling match maybe. But there's no way this was unsing MMA rules, or even street rules.
As usual Gracies altering the nature of the situation to their benefit. Cowards.
@Bankens1 It's "Ladies" or "Lady's" - They wouldn't teach you martial arts if you couldn't spell or tie your own shoelaces in the past as you were considered worthless and unworthy of such teachings. Now at days the budo aspect of martial arts has been lost in the MMA-crazed frenzy of meatheads and trash-talking "tough guys." Let me assure you as Martial Arts enthusiast - your martial art can't stop a bullet, so always be smart before you think you're a super hero in the real world.
Im not even sure i can even call this a real fight? No disrespect, but if this was a real war like fight, strikes would be definitely have been launched already, after all, i think one of the reasons why people don't always win against grapplers, is because without a killing intent, how can we win? My first choice would definitely be elbows to an exposed face during a tackle, or better yet, how bout some eye gouging. I love bjj, but its not the best in the world.
@Jericho11894 This at first does seem a little fake but if you watch the TKD black belt never gets a chance to get within range to attack. During a take down my first reaction is how am i getting back up. This to me proves TKD black belts are damn near given away now a days
@Jericho11894 the thing about your statement is that there are a lot of dirty fighting moves in BJJ everything you said there is a counter to for real life fighting situations thats why BJJ was invented because Helio was a lot smaller than most of the guys that he trained with he invented a lot of dity stuff trust me i'm a guy that trins for street fights but these guys can get out of just about every situation
@Jericho11894 Excellent point. This striker most likely came from a sheltered environment whereas the Gracie Grapplers grew up in a very hostile, fighting culture. When they come into the arena, they mental state of mind is : "How far can I go just short of killing him," whereas other fighters who did not grow up in a rough neighborhood are thinking: "How can I score a point so the judge will reign in my favor." Two totally different mindsets makes all the difference.
Any martial art can be effective if you know what ur doing. The Tae Kwon Do guy couldn't defend the takedowns or fight on the ground. That's Tae Kwon Do's disadvantage. However, if a BJJ fighter was fighting 3 skilled strikers at once, regardless of the style, he'd have no chance.
@130kali I agree. Unless the Tae Kwon Do guy has some knowledge of grappling .....he is worthless on the ground. So its to his best interest to keep the fight standing and start throwing massive amounts of kicks. Hoping he connects hard before he is brought down.
Part 2 : on almost BJJ vs striker vidéo, you have the same comments : the guys doesn't earn his black belt, he sucks etc. Just ask yourself : "why don't they ever strike ?". Answer is because fighting isn't only a matter of striking or grappling. The good BJJ guy always stands in a distance which makes striking incomfortable, that's a major part of the game in BJJ, that's why in almost all those vidéos, you never see the guy striking efficiently, and you can experiment it by yourself...
My comment part 1 : Even an exceptionnal striker like Bruce Lee has very few chances to beat a good grappler, for one reason : strikes need almost only natural reflexes to be nullified, the guy punches/kicks you, you have the natural reflexe of dodging/deflecting/blocking. Avoiding a takedown or a submision is almost impossible if you haven't learned how to do it. In MMA, only strikers with a strong training in takedown defense/ground guard have succeded (Cro-Cop, Wand, Liddell etc).
@Debiruman1666 Totally agree, but Bruce Lee did however also train in jiu Jitsu and other grappling arts, we never really got to see him grapple but he was the first Mixed Martial Artist of his time.
this videos great, im a jiu jitsu fighter from the gracie headquarters in florida. I have some kool footage of me fighting against other styles. i think you'll enjoy. check them out
ofcourse in a grappling match the bjj win against any striking arts lol...
R3dTigerM40A3 18 hours ago
I didn´t see a single kick...
DemonofAir 6 days ago
I have all the respect in the world for BJJ, but the Gracie is a giant compared to this TKD black belt. Also I hear a lot of people saying that there is no "striking" in TKD, but we practice hand strikes, arm bars, wrist locks and many other techniques. I think a lot depends on the Master doing the teaching. My Master is a 7th degree black belt from Korea, cat quick, and extreme power. As with most Korean masters, he spent time in the military learning no rules fight to the death techniques.
fiscusd 1 week ago
@isloewen2,Never said it doesn't work,would love to train bjj.I said bjj is not the"be all","end all" of self defense.Pain and injury are two different things.People can and do fight through pain,but it is very hard to fight through an injury.I'm willing to admit that my tkd training does not prepare me for everthing,that's why I train in combatives as well.The Gracie's are great,but they're not gonna put out a DVD of them losing.
sunshineEWD 2 weeks ago
@sunshineEWD view the hundreds of Gracie challenges, they have proven the effectiveness of their method of fighting in no holds barred matches, in the age of MMA, martial artist have to prove themselves, statements like "BJJ doesn't actually work in the street" needs to be followed up with evidence
lsloewen2 2 weeks ago
@sunshineEWD those dirty fighting tactics can also result in a fight NOT ending. People can fight through intense pain and injury if adrenaline is high enough. People cannot fight with broken arms, shoulders or when choke unconscious. The MMA/Streetfight argument is tired traditional MA propaganda, there may be rules and judges but MMA is a much closer simulation of a real fight than anything else
lsloewen2 2 weeks ago
I suggest you read Kelly McCann's books,or even buy his videos.Real fighting and cage fighting are two different things.I've said before that bjj is great,but it does not make one invincible.BJJ guys lose in the cage also.That's why everyone cross trains now.MMA has rules because a broken finger,groin shot or even a slight poke to the eyes can stop a fight,I've studied street fights for years,they're ugly and look nothing like a MMA match.If you do BJJ,GREAT,but please branch out.
sunshineEWD 1 month ago
@sunshineEWD no, those attacks DO NOT happen often, and when they do they contain too many variables to really prepare for. Biting and "attacking the balls" are easy to say you can do, but with good Jiu Jitsu technique there is no one alive who can think in that type of pain. Trying dirty fighting tactics on a GJJ practicioner's is just increasing the likelihood that they DON'T LET YOU tap
lsloewen2 1 month ago
That tackle could present a good opportuity for a knee strike.
Thraxter 1 month ago
@jamesellis33.Multiple attacks happen all the time,even at a kids little league game.All I'm saying is to pick a fighting style and get good at it,then branch out into other styles and techniques.I train combatives along with TKD.TKD is my base art.All this video is,is a promotion for Gracie Jujitsu.I would have tried to take a bite out of the back of Rener's thigh at the 32-34 sec. mark.I'd rip the balls off a naked guy if it meant i could go home to be with my family.
sunshineEWD 1 month ago
@sunshineEWD
Have you considered going to a bjj gym to supplement your combatives "training" ?
afreiden 3 weeks ago
BJJ is a great art,no doubt,but it's not for the street.The last thing you want in a street fight is to go to the ground where 5 other guys can stomp on your head.I practice TKD,(ITF) we use every part of our body in a real street confrontation.What this guy could'nt do here is jam his thumb into his opponents eye. In a real fight,I would have.No"one" martial art is the best,it's always good to cross train.
sunshineEWD 1 month ago
@sunshineEWD that almost will never happen that a guy that messes with you will have friends. Only in a bar which I don't know why an self respecting martial artist would be caught in a trashy place like that. You wouldn't see Rener in a filthy place like that. You put yourself in a situation like that you deserve what happens to you.
jamesellis33 1 month ago
THIS CANT BE RIGHT! HE IS NOT A BLACK BELT IN ANYTHING! I LOVE GRACIE BUT I THINK THE HEADLINE IS FAR AWAY FROM THE TRUTH!
DIGITALRIP23 1 month ago
Ok this is BULLSHIT! If i was fighting against that guy i would of fucking roundhoused his ass to the ground and axe kick finish his ass.are you serious ?
Xxde2ndshadyxX 1 month ago
@Xxde2ndshadyxX he would grab ur leg n ur leg will be in a knee bar situtation
junjian1996 1 month ago in playlist Gracie Fights
@vaiocaraio Sorry DUDE I don't entirely understand your broken english. And whats up with "striking into your ass"? As for the Gracies I love em dude I own alot of their selfedefense dvds I like their take on BJJ. But they are a money machine and they sell Jiu-jitsu very well. Going to the ground isnt always the safest thing to do. Whats up with the hostility dude ? Did I insult you? Motherfucker? Ok tell your Mom to make sadwiches I'm coming over tonight.
jscarpa2002 2 months ago
for all you fags out there and you get into a fight in real life with a jiu- jitsu fighter and he or she kicks your ass im preety sure that you wont talk shit with street fights its not a real fight you just go for the eyes stick your fingers in there eyes fight over because jui-jitsu is about self defence and tae-kwon-do is about striking im not sayin its true jui-jitsu and tae-kwon-do is same value
MrShooterFilms 2 months ago
Let me punch in your throat while you take me to the ground. Lets se ehow long all that holding last or split your fingers in half and break your hand. All this letting them go to the ground becadus ethere no deadly strikes is mumbo jumbo its not real fighting. This is i can lay on you since you can't do any deadly hits that could kill me. but i can break your arm.
fliptthescript 2 months ago
its basicall you can do karate on me but no eye gouging no ball grabbing and no finger type punches. And no throat punchign. so bacially i get to lay on top of you until i get you in a lock and you cant do any deadly hits because that not fair.
fliptthescript 2 months ago
Is more like jiu jitsu and its take down not even close to taekwando plus both of you suck at ground fight.
podrinjac88 2 months ago
thats silly Im a Taekwondo black belt and if he came at me and tried to go for a take down i would go straight for a jumping kick to the ribs/kidneys or at least be slightly more proactive about it. that supposed black belt must be very inexperienced not to even throw a strike.
sonofchcknorris 2 months ago
is royce the black shirt?
tricepsish 2 months ago
GRACIE BULLSHIT VIDEO.....just grapple no punching bc im a guard jumping pussy
ooohrob 2 months ago
Ok I have had about 5 responses to my comment now and I'm starting to get annoyed. I have seen good strikers first hand. Any one hear of Rick Roufus? Look him up I trained with the guy. I like the Gracies but this guy they had Renner with is a tomato can. A real fighter would at least try to hit him if he is a good striker.
jscarpa2002 2 months ago 5
The instructor in the background sounded afraid...................haha, "tap out, tap out".............like he knew that arm was getting ready to start crackling and snapping.
tickyul 3 months ago
Huge size difference
FULLIMP4CT 3 months ago
if you dont know how to grapple is like going in the water without knowing how to swim.
sparkymike83 3 months ago
bad matchup, short tkd guy against tall bjj guy
checkyerself 3 months ago
I know TKD can't compare to BJJ but why didn't the TKD guy try to hit Rener even when they're on the ground? TKD is all strikes. Was he allowed? In the original UFC's, guys were trying to hit Royce. I wonder what would've happened if the TKD guy hammer fisted Rener on the ground? Would Rener have lost his temper and purposely try to hurt him?
hondaciviccoupe10 3 months ago
@hondaciviccoupe10 Well in the first couple of UFC's when people would hit Royce he wouldn't hit them back and he would STILL win, Rener, unlike Royce, has some strinking background, so odds are it wouldn't have been very good for the TKD fighter.
tywainwright1 6 days ago
agreed- why didnt he strike at least once? or was this a grappling challenge between a TKD BB and Rener? i love BJJ but the guy didnt seem to put in any effort for his art to even make a challenge.
denverstapleton 3 months ago
@denverstapleton
Its like a wrestler. All the bjj guy has to do is time his takedown. Then its all over. If the tkd guy throws a kick, you time it correctly and its a takedown.
U dont realize how takedowns affect your opponents mentality.
Mattixxg 3 months ago
tkd vs bjj no chance that's a desperate try.
lococavasa 3 months ago
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Any time you guys have some chump losing one if these you label it TKD. That guy knew as much TKD as a yellow belt chinese dog....
k9m42 3 months ago
Any time you guys have some chump losing one if these you label it TKD. That guy knew as much TKF as a yellow belt chinese dog....
k9m42 3 months ago
@jacksoncole79
He is allowed to strike, Rener strikes him in this video. Simple fact is it's not so easy to hit someone when they don't want to have a stand up exchange with you. Have you ever seen a challenge match? There about proving GJJ is a credible fighting style, it's not well-rounded fighter vs well-rounded fighter
lsloewen2 3 months ago
Obviously the bjj guy will win if the tkd guy doesnt know any ground work and isnt aloud to strike...duh.
jacksoncole79 3 months ago
@pumpdaddy233
GJJ is BJJ with emphasis on a real fight, they do all the same moves but against opponents with boxing gloves on, they also do alot of weapons training and don't compete
lsloewen2 4 months ago
0:28 shows the 1.5 variation of triangle in Gracie Combative DVD (its funny cause I watch this at the same time watching the dvd w/c rener breaksdown the steps to lock a triangle choke but in this video he makes a transition to an arm bar)
kaissarMCR 4 months ago
and also the transition from the mount to back position exactly as the previous dvd shows :))
best buy :))
kaissarMCR 4 months ago
whats gracie jiu jitsu ? isnt it bjj? i know theres the gracie family who started it but arent there other names like whats the difference btwn gracie and bjj?
pumpdaddy233 4 months ago
traditonal tkd is awesome. but i don't even recognize any tkd in this...so if i understand these cahllenge matches you always fight the gracies in their trained field w/o using your trained skill. all this vid proves is that a nongrappling style vs a grappling style using only grappling loses
SKKTatsu 4 months ago
@cruzinhardlybruisin
Agreed!!!
lsloewen2 4 months ago
I'snt tae kwon do a striking art? Where is the striking?
jscarpa2002 4 months ago 19
@jscarpa2002 well you dont want to strike too soon or youll get tackled
Shuukyou 3 months ago
@jscarpa2002
exactly. He closed in on him so fast he couldnt strike lol
Mattixxg 3 months ago
@jscarpa2002 well hes in guard so he cant really do anything and hes just worrying about what the bjj guy is going to do next and trying to get back on his feet. its actually really difficult to strike against a bjj guy because if you miss he'll grab you
Shuukyou 3 months ago
@Shuukyou Not to discredit anything as Ive taken BJJ for about a year back in the day but in no holds barred fights no one EVER tries to kick the leg at the knee.Ever notice that?I think its fear of permanent injury to someone and its "not worth it" just to prove something or people just dont know.
vamtheanomaly 3 months ago
@vamtheanomaly Could be, this is why I won't do those kinds of fights.
Donatellangelo 2 months ago
@jscarpa2002 That TKD practitioner is a McDojo black belt. If any McDojo black belt is reading this, just know I stay at home all day caring for my sick mother, I smoke cigs , im overweight and I sit at the computer allot and I can still whip your ass. I hate Mcdojo black belts. A McDojo Black belt is one of those people who if you watch them, they clearly suck at the art they claim to be proficient in.
vamtheanomaly 3 months ago
@jscarpa2002 THE STRIKING HAS INTO YOUR ASS, DUDE, U DONT KNOW THE JIU-JITSU ONLY WORKS WITH ALL THE RULES OF THE SPORTING FIGHTS ?? GO TO HELL UR MOTHFUCKER.
vaiocaraio 2 months ago
@jscarpa2002 they are starting to do alot of graping, but a yellow belt Ju jitsu fighter can still beat any red belt taekwondo fighter
ShadowIrOnIcz 1 month ago
@jscarpa2002
thats what i thought
SomeoneWitSkill 1 month ago
@jscarpa2002 its because the he can't strike in that position.
novaboi24 1 month ago
@jscarpa2002 Any limb thrown out there randomly is a chance for a submission.
juanitoelteso 1 month ago
@jscarpa2002 Tae-kwon-do isn't an art that focuses on striking it is true that we have a fair amount of striking moves but we mainly focus on kicking and I have to say that is what made me almost ill watching this because more or less the entire thing was fought on the ground.
To be fair I have only sparred with other Tae-Kwon-Do practitioners but this guy didn't apply any of his knowledge of the art to this particular match.
Debbers98 2 weeks ago
When are people going to stop falling for these Gracie commercials???
Check out King Mo vs Roger Gracie or Doug Gordon vs Gregor Gracie (among others) if you think striking doesnt work against BJJ.
holidayrap 4 months ago
@holidayrap I just watched the King Mo bout. People that glorify BJJ are WAY worse than the TMA followers at making excuses. Some of those comments were utter bullshit, like blaming the WHOLE reason he lost was because of a headbutt.
HairofSteel555 4 months ago
@holidayrap look up the gracie hunter he used traditional JJ and whooped them all. it took a young gracie on steroids to finally beat the 40 year old sakuraba lol
SKKTatsu 4 months ago
@SKKTatsu Actually Kazushi was a trained catch wrestler, not Japanese Jiujutsu, all of his training came from Billy Robinson. And Ralek is far from being on steroids. Careful making up things for your own benefit, eventually someone like me who knows the facts will call you on your lies.
VonCambo 4 months ago
@VonCambo so thats why all his moves he does are judo or jujutsu? yeah whatever....and sherdogg(i think) said the stuff about steroids.
SKKTatsu 4 months ago
@SKKTatsu So obviously you're not aware that Sakuraba was a Japanese professional wrestler long before he moved to MMA? He comes from the Takada stable, if you even know what that means. ALL of the UWFi wrestlers were Karl Gotch (Istaz) and Billy Robinson trained catch wrestlers. Study the history of catch wrestling and Japanese Pro Wrestling and you'll learn something.
VonCambo 4 months ago
@SKKTatsu I've been following Sak since 1997 when he fought at UFC Japan, check out all that I say and you'll know who's right and who's wrong. And Royce was the only Gracie to get popped for PED's, don't trust Sherdog as a credable news source.
VonCambo 4 months ago
@VonCambo and i know judo and jujutsu when i see it...convo done
SKKTatsu 4 months ago
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@VonCambo and i know judo and jujutsu when i see it...convo done
just idc
SKKTatsu 4 months ago
@holidayrap SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HOLIDAY RAP.....WTF.......STUPIDEST THING I EVER HEARD "HOLIGAY RAP" IS WHAT YOUR NAME SHOULD BE.......FUCK OUT OF HERE
orejassejas 4 months ago
@orejassejas The truth hurts. Go get some mental help dude. lol
holidayrap 4 months ago
@holidayrap ILL GET SOME MENTAL HELP FROM YOUR MOTHER..........SOME HEAD
orejassejas 4 months ago
@orejassejas Youre pathetic.
holidayrap 4 months ago
@holidayrap YOU'RE WHOLE EXISTENCE IS PATHETIC.
orejassejas 4 months ago
@orejassejas You shouldnt talk about your mother like that.
holidayrap 4 months ago
@holidayrap YEA WHATEVER PUSSY
orejassejas 4 months ago
I have a LOT of respect for BJJ. I have beat guys that outweigh me by nearly 100 pounds. This however is a very poor demonstration of TKD. He never even attempted a kick. To really be a good fighter, you need to be well rounded. Without some BJJ training you are toast against someone with it.
bmckenzie69 4 months ago
Jeet Kune Do + BJJ = Best Combination
CruzinHardlyBrusin 4 months ago
@CruzinHardlyBrusin Jeet Kune Do isn't really an art rather than a combination of arts built on the philosophy of adding more arts to creaste your own personal mix. Therefore "Jeet Kune Do" + BJJ = Jeet Kune Do.
tywainwright1 6 days ago
all he does is take people who are trained as strikers wrestle them down and choke them out. I took jiu jitsu for a while when I had time to commit to it and I learned a lot but a black belt shitting on someone who has no experience isn't really impressive.
MrTRUCID0 5 months ago
wing chun is gay as shit. have fun going spastic as dog diarrhea during randori... UFC 1-5 were no rules, anything goes. The Gracie's proved if you have one thing to bring to a one on one fight then BJJ is it.
DanielXLachlan 5 months ago
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chuckthebong 5 months ago
(cont.) ground fighting, this leaves it pretty usless BUT NOT COMPLETELY USELESS, Martial Arts have just evolved, people need to realize this, Karate, TKD, Wing Chun are now obsolete, in a couple years from now the "best" martial arts will be obsolete, it's just the truth, it's like arguing saying a Civil war era gun is better then 1 used today, completely illogical.
tywainwright1 5 months ago
@tywainwright1 To bad what people don't realize is that Martial Arts does evolve, Karate has evolved and Goju Ryu Karate has had moves as defense against ground work since the day it was invented. Now that ground game is being popularized, it's becoming a larger part of curriculum today. Even TMA's evolve with the time, while keeping principles. To many TMArtist's believe, "I move like a robot in class, it must work on the street" and don't understand how to practically apply what they know.
HairofSteel555 5 months ago
@tywainwright1 The human body has to change first in order for something like WIng Chun, Taekwondo, or Karate to become "obsolete"
Sevv9220 6 days ago
@Sevv9220 How so?
tywainwright1 6 days ago
@tywainwright1 There are only so many ways the human body can move and only so fast and powerful it can become. It's not the same case with guns where you can develop them to the point where they can destroy anything. All Martial Art styles, ALL OF THEM, have a science behind it. There's a trial and error. If they don't work now or didn't work then, they'd fade into history.
Maybe my first comment wasn't clear enough to relate to the topic. Looking back I should have added more. Sorry bout that
Sevv9220 6 days ago
@Sevv9220 Don't apollogize, you have clarified enough. I agree, there is trial and error,, older martial arts, such as TKD were the trial and the error, so we evolved in our martial arts and improved upon them. These newer systems are the result of this "trial and error" process. The future will most likely hold even more improvments, thus making TODAYS styles obsolete.
tywainwright1 6 days ago
I think the TKD guy forgot that he actually needed to throw punches and/or kicks in order to win a fight >_>
willman808 5 months ago
Absolutely phenomenal!
JHDIII1987 5 months ago
Maybe the TDK blackbelt doesn't have a T.V. or reads any martial arts magazines or heard of Brazil.
effactor1 5 months ago
the worst tkd i have ever seen!!!! this is why i call tkd. take my dough.
MrSaber152 6 months ago 2
lies lies... we have a lil tkd girl n my class and she kicks from anywhere... this guy was obviously bologna
9x5nefarious 6 months ago
@9x5nefarious No, TKD just sucks.
tywainwright1 5 months ago
@tywainwright1 I can assure you as a BJJ and TKD student TKD is great for standing up but it teaches nothing for the ground. This doesn't take away from TKD it's up to the martial artist to be smart enough to cross train and be prepared for any fighting situation.
harr77 5 months ago
I'm glad I train in TKD and BJJ one of the first things they teach you in BJJ is go flat on the guys back and stuff the take down poor TKD guy lol.
harr77 5 months ago
@harr77 Exactly, makes everything you learn in TKD useless.
tywainwright1 5 months ago
@tywainwright1 Um no the striking is just fine else you'd be an idiot and say the opposite only BJJ is a worthwhile martial art which would be ridiculous.
harr77 5 months ago
@harr77 What i'm trying to say is you can't use your stupid high flying TKD bull shit kicks when you're flat on your back.
tywainwright1 5 months ago
@tywainwright1 Okay which is why I said you train in BJJ also and yes you are discounting TKD totally because of the lack of ground work but you don't discount BJJ because if it's lack of emphasis on striking.
harr77 5 months ago
@harr77 No i'm discounting TDK because it doesn't work on the ground OR standing up, those high flying kicks are useless in a real fight, completely pointless, and yes BJJ doesn't have striking which is why I beleive it should be used with another Martila Arts that emphasizes striking, just not TKD because TKD is useless! But the thought the BJJ itself is the best Martial Art is completely illogical, however to say TKD is usefull is INCREDABLY illogical!
tywainwright1 5 months ago
@tywainwright1 The kicks are for show and competition the normal kicks have nothing to do with what you described of course no one is going to do a spinning tornado in combat but I have to defer my opinion to the militarizes of two countries if it's good enough for N and S Korea there has to be something in it for everyone else. I would suggest adding more to your arsenal than TKD and BJJ I'll be adding a night of kickboxing starting next month imo all martial arts have something useful.
harr77 5 months ago
@harr77 Well yes of course, I shouldn't say EVERYTHING in TKD is useless, however I don't see the practicallity of practicing a kick, lets say butterfly kick, just to show off, let say I practice the butterfly kick 30 minutes in class today, that's 30 minutes I have wasted, 30 minutes I could have been practicing a knife defense or something more usefull.
tywainwright1 5 months ago
@tywainwright1
Taekwondo is a good foundation to learn how to kick. Of course you don't use a tornado kick in self defense, in self defense you don't use grappling either. In self defense you do what's necessary, such as groin kicks or quick jabs/elbow. I've practiced tkd, bjj and wing chun and my opinion is that in a ring, grappling always win style versus style, but in real life, full contact, you need to mix it up.
onepiece321321 5 months ago
@onepiece321321 Yes of course I feel that if you practice 1 style you will not have enough to survive in a street fight, however you wouldn't use grappling in a street fight? I see why you would NOT want the fight to go to the ground, but what if THEY take it to the ground and you have no choice but to fight on the ground? (which happens in MANY street fights) then you will need to use your BJJ ( obviously mixed with eye gouges, throat shots, bites, etc.) and TKD IS a good foundation fo r kicki
tywainwright1 5 months ago
@onepiece321321 (cont.) kicking but is not effective at all, you have maybe 2 good techniques, the rest is useless trash, TKD (along with wing chun, karate, and all types of kung fu) is something I would enroll my 5 year old son in to get ready for real fighting, such as MCMAP, Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do (maybe) , Muay Thai, BJJ, Sambo, etc.
tywainwright1 5 months ago
@tywainwright1 my background is in okinawan karate and i have recently been training in krav maga. all of the strikes and blocks in krav maga are the same as karate. in fact, the only difference i have found in it is the addition of defenses against weapons. sport karate done for tournaments and karate done for self defense are two completely different things. for wing chun, look up gary lam and then tell me that style is ineffective and for little kids.
eamonob84 5 months ago
@eamonob84 Well yes i'm not saying they are COMPLETELY useless, Karate I beleive hase SOME blocks that are effective, for Wing Chun some techniques and principles are practical, but a very low number, the way most Karateka train is completely ineffective, no weapons disarming, no weapons training (except swords and other impractical weapons) there stance leaves them completely vulnurable, there usually isn't much conditioning (with the exception of some far Eastern schools) and absolutly no gro
tywainwright1 5 months ago
@tywainwright1 That's why you train in a Traditional Goju Ryu School. My dojo taught all of that, plus we have conditioning. But don't expect to use what you learn there in any UFC torny. We use "Dirty" and "Illegal" tricks. Whenever it get's taken to the ground, someone is either on top, or bottom, and they leave their eyes wide open. Because they don't need to protect them, I would aim for them. It's hard to fight without eyes.
HairofSteel555 5 months ago
@HairofSteel555 Why didn't you learn "dirty" or "illegal" tricks? Everything goes in a fight, i'll bite your eyes out if I have too, but ground fighting should go much deeper then just an eye gouge.
tywainwright1 5 months ago
@HairofSteel555 you are delusional. BJJ is about LEVERAGE; I have position - I can do what I want to you - you can't do it to me. You can go for my eyes but I can go for yours with LEVERAGE - which means - you get hurt. And making the fight dirty means you get hurt real bad from a BJJ guy. The best is to run only if you must; you can get dirty but against a skilled player, it won't work
Bzdi138 4 months ago
@Bzdi138 It takes two hands to bar an arm, a broken arm can heal. Your missing eye, that's a different story. If you think you're EVER going to get into a fight and NOT get hit, you're the delusional one. Your ground fighting shit doesn't always work, and I've seen it fail before. This isn't the art granted by Jesus to defeat all.
HairofSteel555 4 months ago
@Bzdi138 a fight is a fight, no such thing as dirty, cheating etc
SKKTatsu 4 months ago
@onepiece321321 My dad is a boxing coach and used to tell me when I was in my teens ground fighting is useless and a real man use his fist. He thought my catch wrestling/Judo training would not work in the street. We lived in a bad area were getting into figts happened alot. I didnt win every fight but 98% of them. All of them was in close and ended up on the ground. Its not just submission that do it, its the clinch and being about to control the guy. If I had to pick id pick ground fighting.
b7r7u7c7e 5 months ago
@onepiece321321 groin, eyes, throat. Only places you ever need to punch or kick in a street fight.
DuykRuyk 5 months ago
@DuykRuyk Yepp.
onepiece321321 5 months ago
if its 2006 and ur a TDK black belt AND u take the gracie challenge u must be borderline retarder and have a very small penis!
MoKillaGorilla 6 months ago 23
@MoKillaGorilla whoa dude having a small penis doesn't have anything to do with martial arts hahahaha
Shuukyou 5 months ago
@MoKillaGorilla LOLOLOL SOOOOOOO TRUE !!!
7thvenom 4 months ago
@MoKillaGorilla whats this special challenge
ulkord 3 months ago
@ulkord if you manage to beat a gracie they give you like 100000
Shuukyou 3 months ago
@Shuukyou but its not like they havent ever been defeated
ulkord 3 months ago
if sakuraba did not practice taekwondo, the fight can be wrong example because his kick will not be strong enough and he does not know how to step to make required space for his strike.
spiritofmuye 6 months ago
@spiritofmuye
Once again, kicks to a downed opponent (doesn't matter what angle) were legal in Pride. Sakuraba even attempted one against Royce Gracie when he was on his back, bottom line: if you don't have the required space = you can't effectively strike, ANY strike. If you feel this is wrong, pick a fight, film it, prove your point
lsloewen2 6 months ago
soccer kick is one of kicking face after takedown. when you kick face against floor, kick is much stronger because floor block backside of face. skull can be broken. it is reported that taekwondo athletes has stronger kick than other athletes and taekwondo athletes practice this kick. this kick will be very dangerous to anyone who is taken down to floor. when this kick is banned in ufc, most martial artist did not complained because kicking face after takedown is not their style.
spiritofmuye 6 months ago
@spiritofmuye
Kicks to a downed opponent are indeed very dangerous but plenty of MMA arena's in the past allowed "soccer kicks" and it didn't prove to be anything revolutionary, not the ultimate finishing move, all associated martial arts retained there effectiveness. It's also a invalid argument in the first place because at no point in that match did Rener give the TKD guy the room necessary to use ANY strike
lsloewen2 6 months ago
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it is not fair match because gracie guy is much bigger. many martial artists do not know taekwondo hosinsul using takedown, joint etc. kicking face after takedown is dangerous technique in taekwondo hosinsul. when your face is kicked after takedown, your teeth will be all out. that's why this kick is banned in ufc. anyone can kick face after takedown. but there is no kicking face after takedown in jujitsu, judo, karate, muaythai, boxing etc.
spiritofmuye 6 months ago
search for matches of taekwondo in mma. taekwondo fighters won more. when you read introductions, you will find more matches of taekwondo in mma.
spiritofmuye 6 months ago
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spiritofmuye 6 months ago
Tar kwon do has amazing kicks, the best possibly, just ask GSP! the fact remains however that to execute any strike a fighter has to be at a perfect distance, jiu jitsu fighters live to not give people that required distance
lsloewen2 6 months ago
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spiritofmuye 6 months ago
damn he looks small that tkd bitch.
ya , taekwondo stinks.
tkd is useless against Brazilian jiu jitsu.
BluePittbull666 6 months ago
Oh my, how convenient that these padded floors continue to show up in these GJJ videos.
MrCoffeebags 7 months ago
@MrCoffeebags you've never posted THAT comment before.....
aknowneemus 6 months ago
@aknowneemus Well of course i have, the same videos keep showing up.
MrCoffeebags 6 months ago
taekwondo is the useless Martial arts in the world
cursegrindattack 7 months ago
Everything was allowed, Effectively punching from a close position is difficult, Rener used his GJJ skills to close the distance before the TKD man was able to use his strikes
lsloewen2 7 months ago
i believe bjj is a style that will make ur fighting skills way better, i had practiced boxing since 10 years ago n im good in strret fights using it but since i learned bjj, i became from hard to beat to almost unbeatable, mixing both styles.
theotherhalfoftheang 7 months ago
I'll agree Jiu-jitsu is an awesome and an often misunderstood style but that TKD guy probably paid for his blackbelt. He was terrible. TKD is a striking style, I have no idea why he tried to grapple. Some TKD schools teach hapkido and even that is more of throwing/joint locks but not ground fighting
krzykhm3rboi 7 months ago
@ tennsumitsuma
If your a martial art hobbyist or just want to learn something for self-defense, yes, no real reason to train anything else. A professional fighter however, should train in styles that allow him/her to succeed with MMA rules
lsloewen2 7 months ago
Btw I am only15 so this clearly showed GJJ effectiveness! And did I not tell you guys that guy was also a black belt in taekwondo? :)
andrewasle 7 months ago
@andrewasle
what does you being 15 have to do with anything
TENNSUMITSUMA 7 months ago in playlist BJJ VS. Everyone else
And i was so close to executing the arm bar from his near standing position but decided to, in a sense, trip him by pulling his Gi at his wrist and by applying leg pressure on his ankles and it worked so I dragged him by the gi and eventually executed the triangle and forced the tap :) Classic Gracie style! Thats why Gracie jiujitsu is AWESOME!
andrewasle 7 months ago
HA HA! The irony is, I train in Taekwondo and we were doing some self defense moves and I was like " Okay, how bout when your on the ground? Can you generate enough power to knock your assailant off you?(In he words of rener :) )" and other blah blah stuff. And then I go on to demonstrate how to escape from the guard with the basic GJJ escape in lesson 1 of Gracie combatives against this 6 foot something guy, then we started rolling on the ground and he started going bonkers
andrewasle 7 months ago
@ gmd1417
In real life fights have no weight classes, also we DON'T KNOW the combatants weights, Rener is a pretty think guy and the TKD fighter looked pretty muscular.
lsloewen2 7 months ago
@orizzonte THIS IS BIASED TOWARD GRACIE AND A BIT UNFAIR TO THE TAE KWONDO GUY, AS HE IS GIVING UP A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT AND WEIGHT. THIS IS A HEAVYWEIGHT AGAINST A LIGHTWEIGHT. REGARDLESS OF THE MARITAL ART STYLE, COMBATANTS ARE ALWAYS MATCHED BY WEIGHT CLASS.
gmd1417 7 months ago
It doesn't matter if TKD guy threw a kick or not, the GJJ standup remains the same, unless the TKD fighters skills were on par with professional fighters and he has done some grappling training, he would lose anyway, how many case studies have to be presented before people simply realize that GJJ is the simplest, most efficient and effective martial art.
lsloewen2 7 months ago
@lsloewen2
so its the best then? why train in anything else if its 'simplest, most efficient and effective martial art.'
TENNSUMITSUMA 7 months ago in playlist BJJ VS. Everyone else
when u are a striker fighting another striker, you're striking is fine; when it's against a grappler, it's fucked because the grappler doesn't want to exchange with you, and now you have to worry about being grabbed; against a striker a blocked or missed strike is no big deal, against a bjj guy, it means you will be grabbed controlled and choked out or broken limbs if it's a street fight
marsy91 7 months ago
well wheres the kicking?no shit taekwondo lost..
R3dTigerM40A3 7 months ago
Jiu Jitsu just seems to be the most effective art. It's not the most aesthetically pleasing art form like what you used to see in Bruce Lee movies but it's definately the most effective. Jui Jitsu wins against any other martial art 9 times out of 10.
gwl1983 8 months ago
TKD blackbelt my ass. Didn't throw a single kick. If this was a TKD blackbelt vs a JJ fighter in a grappling match maybe. But there's no way this was using MMA rules, or even street rules.
As usual Gracies altering the nature of the situation to their benefit. Cowards.
Squirrelfighter1 8 months ago
@Squirrelfighter1 have you not seeing UFC 1... that disproves everything you said... you retard! if your a tae kwon do guy are you just gonna come in and throw a kcick right away? no Rener would've caught it or rushed while he was off balance, the TKD guy didnt feel comfortable so he was feeling it out.
razorramon310 8 months ago
TKD blackbelt my ass. Didn't throw a single kick. If this was a TKD blackbelt vs a JJ fighter in a grappling match maybe. But there's no way this was unsing MMA rules, or even street rules.
As usual Gracies altering the nature of the situation to their benefit. Cowards.
Squirrelfighter1 8 months ago
Taekwondo blackbelt ?! He didn't even throw a kick.
ShogunRuaFights 8 months ago
Brazil owns in fighter sorry for all noobs
xXRimesXx 8 months ago
@Bankens1 It's "Ladies" or "Lady's" - They wouldn't teach you martial arts if you couldn't spell or tie your own shoelaces in the past as you were considered worthless and unworthy of such teachings. Now at days the budo aspect of martial arts has been lost in the MMA-crazed frenzy of meatheads and trash-talking "tough guys." Let me assure you as Martial Arts enthusiast - your martial art can't stop a bullet, so always be smart before you think you're a super hero in the real world.
gaBehcuoDsuoitneterP 8 months ago
@gaBehcuoDsuoitneterP The martial arts aspect of martial arts has been lost in[..] ? I think you meant something else.
fr0ber 8 months ago
Karate and tae kwon do are for people who cannot do BJJ and judo
jmleach1987 9 months ago
@jmleach1987 that doesn't make any sense
DrRobert20 8 months ago
Rener was being really nice.
vegetta5 9 months ago
Im not even sure i can even call this a real fight? No disrespect, but if this was a real war like fight, strikes would be definitely have been launched already, after all, i think one of the reasons why people don't always win against grapplers, is because without a killing intent, how can we win? My first choice would definitely be elbows to an exposed face during a tackle, or better yet, how bout some eye gouging. I love bjj, but its not the best in the world.
Jericho11894 9 months ago
@Jericho11894 This at first does seem a little fake but if you watch the TKD black belt never gets a chance to get within range to attack. During a take down my first reaction is how am i getting back up. This to me proves TKD black belts are damn near given away now a days
victoryordeath19 9 months ago
@Jericho11894 the thing about your statement is that there are a lot of dirty fighting moves in BJJ everything you said there is a counter to for real life fighting situations thats why BJJ was invented because Helio was a lot smaller than most of the guys that he trained with he invented a lot of dity stuff trust me i'm a guy that trins for street fights but these guys can get out of just about every situation
delgado2334 9 months ago
@Jericho11894 Excellent point. This striker most likely came from a sheltered environment whereas the Gracie Grapplers grew up in a very hostile, fighting culture. When they come into the arena, they mental state of mind is : "How far can I go just short of killing him," whereas other fighters who did not grow up in a rough neighborhood are thinking: "How can I score a point so the judge will reign in my favor." Two totally different mindsets makes all the difference.
Helivz 8 months ago
where the fuck is the taekwondo at?
Voodoofreak35 9 months ago
Any martial art can be effective if you know what ur doing. The Tae Kwon Do guy couldn't defend the takedowns or fight on the ground. That's Tae Kwon Do's disadvantage. However, if a BJJ fighter was fighting 3 skilled strikers at once, regardless of the style, he'd have no chance.
MrSpeedhead89 9 months ago
@MrSpeedhead89
and if one skilled fighter take the Tae Kwon Do guy down he's screwed.
130kali 9 months ago
@130kali I agree. Unless the Tae Kwon Do guy has some knowledge of grappling .....he is worthless on the ground. So its to his best interest to keep the fight standing and start throwing massive amounts of kicks. Hoping he connects hard before he is brought down.
KozmoLouie 9 months ago
black belt in tkd? yea right maybe at mcdojo usa inc. got it in 1 year and a half and paid 10 grand for it
JahnNeema 9 months ago
Why is this guy just walking? No kicks, no punches, no locks? Is this really what they expect us to believe?
Jericho11894 9 months ago
Part 2 : on almost BJJ vs striker vidéo, you have the same comments : the guys doesn't earn his black belt, he sucks etc. Just ask yourself : "why don't they ever strike ?". Answer is because fighting isn't only a matter of striking or grappling. The good BJJ guy always stands in a distance which makes striking incomfortable, that's a major part of the game in BJJ, that's why in almost all those vidéos, you never see the guy striking efficiently, and you can experiment it by yourself...
Debiruman1666 10 months ago
My comment part 1 : Even an exceptionnal striker like Bruce Lee has very few chances to beat a good grappler, for one reason : strikes need almost only natural reflexes to be nullified, the guy punches/kicks you, you have the natural reflexe of dodging/deflecting/blocking. Avoiding a takedown or a submision is almost impossible if you haven't learned how to do it. In MMA, only strikers with a strong training in takedown defense/ground guard have succeded (Cro-Cop, Wand, Liddell etc).
Debiruman1666 10 months ago
@Debiruman1666 Totally agree, but Bruce Lee did however also train in jiu Jitsu and other grappling arts, we never really got to see him grapple but he was the first Mixed Martial Artist of his time.
JordyBT 9 months ago
Jujitsu works well on the street, though so does shooting people.
yodacasper 10 months ago
this videos great, im a jiu jitsu fighter from the gracie headquarters in florida. I have some kool footage of me fighting against other styles. i think you'll enjoy. check them out
asimmiami1 10 months ago