WOW. He says in thousands of alien related reports that there is not one good one? WOW! what about 1942 in LA? Roswell? Pheonix lights (the governer confirmed it!), and there are so many new stories that were released by uk files!! not to mention the clear photo of the ufo in Belgium and the cops who have stated they think it was a alien craft. lol he is clueless and in denail. he says that bright lights have just been reported in the sky in the 20th and 21st century? LOOL???
OH FOR FUCK SAKE I WONDOR WHY!!!! Might as well believe in fairies and dinosaurs for fuck sake! Why do these idiots look for little green men,for one they don't exist they'll have better chance looking for fairies. Makes me sick thought of these demons running around on some satan planet!!! Well atleast if they find something we can slaughter the vile things. THEY BELONG IN FICTION!!!!!
@NobDickBalls I do believe you were born 200 years too early my friend.
Perhaps the Dark Ages would have been more appropriate time for your limited thinking capacity.
Medieval, backward thoughts such as spouted in your embarrassing comment only emphasizes that.
The very fact that intelligent life happened in this ordinary Galaxy, in this ordinary Solar System, on a ordinary planet should tell you immediately that life is Universal.
Religion and Thought Suppression,... what a pair they make.
@Tiberiusduck What?! i belong in the dark ages because i don't believe that these fucking vermin exist?! fuck you shitweed !the Earth is gods beautiful,special planet and the only one with life ass shat!
Nothing but gass,shit and our father out there!!!!
We are gods children these vermin are'nt! they should'nt live in gods beautiful universe! for fuck sake E.T was a fucking movie and some planks actaully think they're fucking real?! might as welll believe in Santa..how about big foot!
@NobDickBalls Judging by your horrendous use of the vernacular, you appear to be absolutely scared to death of any First Contact with any advanced civilization from somewhere else in our galaxy or universe for fear it will force you to re-evaluate your whole belief system.
Like it or not, First Contact is coming my friend. You can either bury your head in your bible with fear or face that reality head on like a human being.
@Tiberiusduck الأجانب لا يريدون لكسب الاصدقاء والتحدث معنا.. لمجرد انهم اللعنة متعجرفة للغاية الشر الأوغاد غير مكترثة وعدم احترام القواعد إله الآلهة انتقلت بها من الصورة انهم تريليونات سنة ضوئية. غير المرغوب فيها هم تختفي ببطء إله غاضب هو سخيف معهم انه حكم على كل منهم أن تحترق في نار جهنم ذبح واحدة تلو الأخرى
You're an idiot and you contradict your own beliefs. You are sinning in your God's eyes for insulting people. There are more stars than grains of sand on every beach in the world. A handful of sand is around 40,000,000 grains..... You cannot tell me or anyone with logic that life exists no where else. You are a fucking idiot fideist.
If aliens ever visited or will ever visit this part of the galaxy, chances are it must have been a very long time ago or it will happen in the distant future. The fact that humans happen to be around now does not mean that the present time is any more special than any period of time in the past or in the future. So there is no reason to expect that aliens will visit now just because we are here now.
Please read CAREFULLY what I have said and you will see that I have made some valid points as have you . I'm not asking you believe anything but rather that you listen or look into both sides of the story Scientist are only human and can make mistakes and believe in things that just aren't true...Scientists once thought the world was flat for a long time...
@Largegray Religious people proclaimed the Earth was flat because they hadn't looked at the evidence. The earliest true scientists (including some of the Ancient Greeks) proved it was round by performing experiments and examining the data.
Why do you choose to ignore the things I say ?? I'm not trying to prove anything, furthermore stop putting words in my mouth and how am I criticizing you ?? Because I have provided a counter argument to your idea of things ??Why do you take everything so personally. You are obviously unhappy because a mocked SETH, who in my opinion is very naive...You are happy to listen to what SETH has to say but not STANTON FRIEDMAN, because your mind is already made up isn't it ???
Please don't call me arrogant because if I had dismissed the issue there would be no need for debate. I debate when I want to find the basis of others' opinions. I did not make a precedent or "case in point" to which I was "justifying" anything. I was making a logical conclusion that people who study stars tend to have better formed knowledge of what might be out there than people who only have experience and no tangible evidence. Scientific evidence would be something like an alien artifact.
@KidJDX you just don't get it do you ?? It's pretty obvious he does not believe aliens have visited. That much is established OK ?? SETH believes that people have only recently made a lot of noise about aliens and/or that people believe they are visiting only just now !! As I said before SETHS premise is incorrect, it is only he that thinks people believe that aliens are visiting now....SETH does not believe in visitation period !!OK ?? Why is it so hard for you to read and understand ??
@KidJDX You say that an artifact would constitute evidence...You are obviously fairly young and naive, because scientists will not believe anything in relation to aliens.. A UFO could land in their back yards and they still would not believe it. The CIA could make a news statement saying aliens are real and scientists still would not believe it would they ??They simply cannot comprehend anything that falls outside of their field of study...
@KidJDX if you bother to research the topic thoroughly you will find mountains of evidence. But naturally you wont research it because your mind is already made up isn't it ?? Why is subjective or Circumstantial evidence evidence good enough to convict some one in a court of law ??Yet when this evidence is used to back up a UFO incident or even an alien abduction case it's no longer good enough ??This is because many scientists are extremely arrogant and have double standards
@Largegray Circumstantial evidence is not sufficient for a conviction in American courts. I have done tons of research. Why don't you learn to spell and punctuate some before you call me ignorant. I refuse to acknowledge you as an intelligent human being anymore because you simply resort to name calling like a child.
@Largegray If there's a mountain of non-anecdotal evidence in support of the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis, could you please point us to one single example? It's simply not good enough to say "there's a mountain of evidence" without actually producing any. Science has much higher standards of evidence than a court of law, by the way. It's estimated that 10% of people in prison have been wrongly convicted. We do not establish reality by winning debates.
You have obviously completely missed my point and your reply is a "case in point" example of people not doing their research correctly. The point was NOT that UFO buffs believe aliens are visiting, but rather the "general understanding" is that aliens have been visiting for much longer than just the " current period" that SETH eludes to...So if you understand now, SETH is mistaken in the general understanding of alien visitation. NO BODY ever said it was happening "only now" except for SETH.
Good old seth has not done his homework; which is often the case with these "know-all" bigot astronomers! Seth buddy alot of UFO researchers believe ET has been visiting for thousands of years; so your points are invalid i.e who said they (ET) are visiting just now ?? You are a first class twat! maybe aliens don't use radio signals ?? SETI is a complete load of shit a rubber stamp for nothing! A place for nerds with massive egos to waste tax payers money for nothing !!
@Largegray Of course "UFO researchers" have the belief that aliens are visiting. They wouldn't be UFO researchers otherwise. What scientific methods do they follow? Blurry video is not evidence of anything. Don't call someone else a bigot or a know-all because you yourself are utterly convinced of your OPINION. He's a know-all who has most likely more education then you will ever have. You aren't supposed to put space before punctuation. Don't criticize his ego, whilst claiming your superiority.
@Kid You have obviously completely missed my point and your reply is a "case in point" example of people not doing their research correctly. The point was NOT that UFO buffs believe aliens are visiting, but rather the "general understanding" is that aliens have been visiting for much longer than just the " current period" that SETH eludes to.So if you understand now, SETH is mistaken in the general understanding of alien visitation. NO BODY ever said it was happening "only now" except for SETH.
@Largegray That is called subjective evidence. You must have some analysis that proves it, but instead you only supply someone else's opinion of what they saw or what they read that someone saw. You said I was dismissing the issue as a "fringe issue". However, I never stated that I was. You are saying I was being arrogant, but at the same time you are criticizing me because I don't agree with your opinion. Apparently, you expected me to concede to your opinion without evidence.
@Kid as far as scientific research goes properly researching, analyzing documents and thousands of witness reports made by pilots,ex military/intelligence has been carried out by some very credible researchers such as Stanton Friedman who is a Nuclear Physicist and UFO researcher.This guy is highly educated and not an idiot..Look into his work to get an understanding of all this rather than being arrogant and dismissing the subject as a"fringe issue"but I guess your mind is already made up?
@Largegray You clearly don't understand what he is saying do you. He is saying have never been visited by aliens. You're arguing that he should acknowledge that aliens have been visiting for thousands of years instead of just now. However, the premise of your argument is invalid because he never stated that. He was being sarcastic. Secondly, the statement that military reports stand as evidence. Nope. Sorry, but no scientist would accept that someone saw it and wrote it, therefore it is true.
Discovery Channel did a documentary on crop circles that occured in my wife's hometown in ND. The funny thing is that everyone in town knew it was a hoax ,and who did it. Even funnier is the guy they interviewed as being abducted by aliens is known as an eccentric alcoholic , yet affable goofball.
There is not a complete study gathering all the research on this material: UFO / ALIENS, to civilians.
A lot of people involved with NASA, including SETI (despite claiming to be a civilian organization sponsored) are submitted to the Department of Defense. CIA control absolutely everything related to the press. I know it seems impossible, but is true.
the thing is. theese ufos might not be bio beings. the ships might be unmanned and might not produce any signal. its inmature to jump the gun on any possible conclusion without investigating theese on a large scale. fact is no sighting in the sky is proof of aleins. we need a filmed close up encounter seen by thousands. basicaly we need on to land in the middle of times sqware
Seth Shostak is a total f--king tool bag he needs to wake the f--k up get his f--king fat Ostrich head out of the f--king sand and smell the f--king Roses. Just check my channel out and tell me that all my saved UFO videos are all FAKE. And if you can say that they are all FAKE then I would say that you are just as f--ked in the head as Seth Shostak is.
They should rename SETI into CUETI – Cover Up Extra Terrestrial Intelligence. That´s exactly what this organization is doing along with the government and the clergy. Shostak delivered the proof again. SETI is searching for radio signals deep in the galaxy while an alien presence here on earth is more and more obvious.
You can lol till your ignorant sparrow brain explodes--THERE IS AN ALIEN PRESENCE - THOUSANDS OF FIRST CLASS PILOTS KNOW ABOUT IT - ASTRONAUTS KNOW ABOUT IT -EACH CIVILISED GOVERNMENT KNOWS ABOUT IT
@damn4409 just telling me there is, isn't enough mate. Reference material and links plz - I am yet to see anything that would say that any kind of alien life has visited this planet.
What sense would that make ? You have your opinion . Fact is that there are tons of material and millions of people who saw it and thousand of them are a 100 PERCENT TRUSTWORTHY. If a pilot can´t idenify an UFO nobody can. Type in Larry King – Ufo and you find the proof, watch ´mile wide UFO´spotted by Brittish airline pilot´and you find proof.There are thousands of vids , watch the interviews with Nasa Pilot Edgar Mitchell
@damn4409 checked out your mile wide UFO video. Not evidence at all. Hearsay/stories are not evidence. And UFO on Larry King - lmfao. CNN is just as bad as fox news, sensationalist bullshit.
So, I'm still waiting on your "evidence". I'm not saying that aliens don't exist - in fact I happen to think that due to the universe being so big, it's ridiculous to think that no other intelligent life exists. However - so far we have not really seen any evidence that they have visited - only speculation.
I see--- everything that is said on Larry King/CNN is a lie and bullshit no matter if scientists and doctors say it? This is an interesting argumentation – What if sombody on CNN says YOU are extremely intelligent? Since it was said on CNN it must be a lie and that would mean you´re an idiot
I don´t ignore your arguments but your arguments are based on ignorance. If a person tells the truth it is the truth NO MATTER IF HE/SHE SAYS IT ON CNN OR NBC OR NICKELODEON – IT IS STILL THE TRUTH. You can believe the chewed for shit of shostak that´s the easiest way for you, but that is not the truth and nothing will change that.
@damn4409 furthermore, some of the accounts on the larry king video - one of the guys talks about dripping molten metal, and saw it on the ground. Why didn't they grab any? That would have been confirmative proof that something other-wordly had been there. Sorry, but this isn't evidence.
@damn4409 lmfao. That is absolute bollocks - and is complete speculation. However, that kind of sentimentality is why people believe in God. You've already made it up in your mind that they exist, and will fit what you see and hear to fit your beliefs.
The alien intelligence is outstripping the human intelligence. They know perfectly that humans are primitive.We deceive each other, we kill each other , we insult each other and we don´t believe each other.The humans these days have still archaic tribal thinkstructures there is heaven above and hell underneath and we´re between this and that´s all. That´s why the aliens can show their spacecrafts and don´t have to fear any consequences.
There are thousands of eye witnesses, doctors, pilots, a high officer of the army but you say they´re all crazy and liears ´cause there is no evidence? What is an evidence for you? A piece of molten metal? What would you do if you had such an "evidence"? Take it to the next police station and risking to be arrested? All the evidence was confiscated so far, and there was a police officer who told this story and he lost his job- but you believe nothing ´cause you need evidence
i will however sadly for me,i have not seen them for about 5 weeks at my city.
but it's treu,just you try and when it works you put your story also on youtube or give your images and footages or story too,fastwalkers or some of the ufo sites.
you will see what i say too you people,and i ain't lying.
so most people would think.
and if you have those images or footages,i will watch them and respect them always.
i wish every one a very goodluck and a very good health.
The chances of "aliens" showing up just in time for 2012 +/- 2 yrs. is 0% for all practical purposes, but there is a 100% chance something pretending to be "aliens" is coming to help set up the anti-Christ's 7 yr. New World Order. Listen to Hawking, avoid these fake "aliens" at all costs! They really are the grigori - the most evil fallen watchers of Genesis 6 and the book of Enoch- returned to wreak havoc in these last days. Google Image: wandjina or dogu
You can find it in our genome. We cannot speciate though we have been here for hundreds of thousands of years. We have found hybrids of neanderthals and humans, which shows that no matter how different two humans can be, they are still part of the same species.
Humans cannot speciate. That in it self is alien and solid proof.
Shostak, what a smug, douche-bag, egg-head. He thinks if he belittles every other theory, it somehow makes his project legit. In other words, if you don't believe the way he does you're a joke.
And now the joke's on him. It's been proven that radio signals would break-up, even before they got out of our solar system. That means his beloved SETI project is the biggest JOKE of all.
Somebody tell this clown his beliefs are now antiquated.
this Guy is INVOLVED IN the government cover up.either this guy does not know about the ufos,majestic 12,top Secret goverment ,aliens...OR even He Knows everything nd pretending as if he does not know anything about aliens visiting our planet.Do you know that there is 42 SECURITY CLEARANCE above the president to noe the TOP SECRET GOVT INFO.im damn sure the president dos not know any thing.NASA UFO in space footage is the BEST videos of extraterrestrial.the TRUTH WILL COME OUT SOME DAY
I have indeed seen an alien, just the once in 1989 or 1990. I was sitting on my balcony eating vegemite toast at sunset. As soon as it saw me it bolted. I have no evidence but saw it around the time there was a UFO sighting in my city. All my family laughed at me.
Don't believe anything anyone says. Give yourself the skills to go check history and the present and future. Do out of body research. That way it is you that you are listening to not someone else. This and the right use of your minds will get you to the point where no matter what anyone says you have the ability mentally to go and check it. Why do you think people stopped using most of their minds and started depending on others? They forget how to research and think? it profits someone
so on the moon out of body there are dome cities with metal tops on them larger than football fields. They are mineing something. They have american looking wheelbarrels maybe got them on sale for 55 thousand each plus delivery cost. They have green stuff down there and they just work there. Like a moon job. My favorite aliens are the 3 finger ones on the moon they are the nicest ones.
So bull shit they are not on this planet there are a lot of them and think humans are strange they are always asking Why are the humans doing this or that. Anyway to talk to them they use their heads and think so forget the antiquated electronics and radios. Just learn to use your head. I got there to the moon out of body and they started to shake my hands so I finally asked them why are we doing this? They said " it is an earth custom!?" Oh yeah, I knew that, Really
Ok so I went out of body to the moon. When I got there there were a lot of different kinds of aliens. Just like we have on earth. They said they have a treaty and it is to mine and that they mine under the surface of the planet with these air holes you can go thru to underground and there is metal holding the ceilings of these domes larger than football field domes and they work there. I hope they are not slaves to anyone. Anyway so they all walk and talk and breath on the moon.
what a lie we know dam well that we are not the only kids on the block thats he knows something let me refresh your memory we have alot of people all over the world seein things other live to tell and some military intelligent this is real as real our universe is timing with life of course is always a covery up
Seth my dear, you are obviously employed by black ops to perform a "black flag" Go play underground, in the dark, with your cohorts. You continue to overestimate yourself and underestimate the public - you may believe in your illusions - we do not share your deceit with you.
Poor Seth Shostak. He's on stage to deceive. Oh well, for his income he will do what he's told. Senior Astronomer for the SET-i or is it the "I Set (the rules) Instiute - hmmm which leg of the Black Cabal is that? Crop Circles cannot be replicated by humans in the perfection, symmetry, or quality and/or in the time. The communicate to all human beings "Hello, we are here. Look and See"
The evidence is now so over whelming that Extraterrestrials are here, to deny it, is akin to SETI telling the general public that the world is actually flat. That is what SETI has tuned into. A monument to the denial of the truth. They just want to keep their weekly paychecks going for as long as possible. Confirmation of Continuous Extraterrestrial Visitation would only put them out of a job and confirm what idiots they were for their past denial. SETI is now about their egos and job security.
The SETI group are some of the most closed minded, arrogant, pompus, intellectually brain dead people you will ever meet. The purpose of science is to offer an honest investigation of any given subject. Not once has SETI ever done an honest investigation as to what is being video taped around the world on a daily basis and by that I mean UFO's. I think SETI was designed as a "Black Op" to deny the fact that Extraterrestrials are indeed visiting our planet because that is all SETI has ever done.
SETI is a complete joke. The fact is, most intelligent people on this planet believe that Extraterrestrial First Contact happened around 65 years ago and that very fact has been deliberately hidden from the general public. We need not look towards the heavens for proof of Intelligent Extraterrestrial Existence but look around our own planet for the proof that Extraterrestrials are already here.
SETI 's motto should be ;
"THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND AS US, WHO CHOOSE NOT TO SEE."
@Tiberiusduck SETI is a complete joke, I boycotted once they started belittling the scientific anomalies within the crop circle phenomenon, that was a red flag to me, and like many others here that have pointed out radio waves is not a long distant means of communications, never was, never will be. The methodology they are using to search is flawed for a reason. If suddenly they come out with the truth well, what is the point of SETI?? It would get defunded.
@MakerInMotion Good, that means you're doing all the funding..good luck w/that dipshit, Ive forgot to check their credentials on wikipedia..thats how much I cared about SETI..douchebag cocksucker!!
@luckitz Oh I get it now. SETI is us looking for aliens in an infinite haystack but the aliens can "see from afar" the moment one tiny planet begins to acquire technology using some form of emissions that can travel faster than the speed of light. My bad.
@luckitz hahaha.... more sensitive equipment. Yeah their equipment allows our signals to travel faster than the speed of light, or send out worm holes closer to what they're listening to. If you had said that at least it would make a little sense, but "way more sensitive?"
if extra-terrestrial didn't visit our earth.......then what do you say about MILLIONS OF UFO VIDEO AMONG THE public.the real truth is that we are being visited by aliens each day from other planets.AND THE GOVERNMENT,NASA...EVERYONE ARE INVOLVED IN THE COVER-UP.ROSWELL INCIDENT IS THE BEST PROOF OF UFO.millions of Profs,many witnesses including JESSIE MARCEL..BUT STILL GOVT DENIES ROSWELL CRASH saing itz a weather ballon.
u must get paid for lying and rediculing the ideas of ufos. ufos have always been here infact they were here long before our civilisation came to be; in truth we are the aliens ourselves cos we liturally came from the stars know this. this is no bull.
luckitz you have no idea what you are talking about. The whole point of SETI is Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence. It is his job to look for this, and he would probably get paid far more if they DID find something.
Human's VERY first radio waves have travelled VERY short, insignificant distances when considering the size of OUR GALAXY, let alone the entire universe. Yes, intelligent life could have more sensitive measurement equipment but they cannot overcome the laws of physics.
dont believe what he says.. he works for american goverment. u think they would says HEYYY aliens are here!..Ofcourse not!! youse your brains and study.aliens have been watching our evolution for centuries! look at bibical text and compare them to egyptian.sumarian.mayan gods...it would be a crisis when they would say that we are the gods.. if u were a caveman and see a bright light fwith fire come from skyes YOU wouldnt think THATS A SPACESHIP when they dont even know whats a fork.
Seth makes no valid points here to support is skepticism. There is no proof that alien sightings are only limited to our modern world. Our advancement in technology and communication may now allow people to compile their sightings and make their voice heard to many other people. As he says here our signal has only been sent into space around 60 years ago, that may be why they are only "popping up now".
Seth you are our leader sir...there are no aliens...not here any how...thats impossible sir...I too am a SETI@home convert and am waiting for my signal sir..Hail to Seth...
Seth's logic is pretty weak. No kidding crop circles are hoaxes. That doesn't rule out the real events.
Aliens don't know we're here? If they can get here in the first place, they will have the ability to predict where intelligent life will emerge.
No good sightings? There are many of them! Check out the Belgian UFO or the Phoenix lights (1-2 mile wide craft spotted by many, including the governor!).
Seth only wants to keep funding SETI, and if they are already here, why look for signals?
i belive in god and in aliens as well i also belive aliens have been helping advance for hundreds of years and still are and still are bery much amonge us, and your right also abotu the anciet writtings as well showing proof of alines and alien craft as well. the goverment would have us belive that we are alone and seti is just another one of them that is trying ot convince us of just that, religions would fall in an instante and the government would lose control if we all knew the truth
Hey Seth, its your old friend Frank:>) So how do they get their. Seth your a contradiction walking. People, this is the worst example of somebody working for seti. Ive really never seen someone in such denile. I just dont get the guy.
Hi everyone ! If you want to view real aliens check out 73roadrunner1! I've posted a couple of responses to this clip & we'll see if they allow them. A good clip I have is SusanFarns Bigfoot Meadow little critter 01 !! A lot of the clips I have show blurry spots,I call them anomalies,that's where "they" useally are ! If you don't believe me check your own digital camera's video's against tree's or just the green outdoors & you'll see them. Thanks & take care
his whole argument is false. watch disclosure project witness # 2. there are lots of pictures of flying saucers in middle age paintings and the sumarians spoke of aliens. you can't fool all the people all the time fora TV
perhaps the gotv. isnt hiding alien information but i am a believer in beings far more intelligent than humanity that have known of our existance for a long time now. this universe is to large for them not to exist. There is a possiblity they could be observing us right now and we can't pick them up on our subordinate technology
Yeah UFO's do exist... Unidentified Flying Objects as in you dont know what it is but it will be satillite/spy plane/prototype aircraft/rockets any number of things. If aliens did really come ehre you really think they would A) Crash (with there amazing technology to get here i dont think they would) B) Get captured by us without putting up a fight C) Try to blow us away instantly as War and conquering is the nature of rpetty much everything.
Seti is goverment funded and goverment owned.They have one job hide any contact from the public.Here's what so stupid.What makes seti think any species would send a radio uhf or beemed message.The messages pour in but not to them only on the higher coincious level.Seti is all part of that big black curtain.look up WOW signal ever since that the goverment took over.Don't trust Seti.they part of the spacebased weapons push.Any messages will be sent to those that are about truth and service to all!
this guy was spewing disinformation and trying his best to look like he is telling the truth.take notice of the constant laughter throughout this video,
this is an indication of someone being put on the spot
From a human point of view is ridiculous, and I agree crop circles are non sense. But UFOs are real. This gentleman forgets about the posibility that an Alien civilization, maybe millions of years more advance than us would probably have different priorities. Perhaps life is wide spread but intelligent life capable of producing technology is very rare to find. Perhaps we are a window to their past, and this is interesting enough to bring them here.
I TO BELEIVE IN GOD, BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT ALIENS ARE ANGELS. i always ask myself who created the big bang, if god created the big bang then who created god, it screws with my head.
That's what I figured out. All the reports are hoaxes, not because the subject is UFOs but because the massive number of reports hasn't got a single good case. People do these hoaxes for reputation and prestige.
I have been abducted Aliens, They pump me with full of shit in mexico, told me to pop some acid dam i was a rocket flying around earth. than i woke up at homedepot with herpez.....lol...just kiddin I belive in aliens..not kidding too, I doo! )
You can't say, "aliens have never visited earth." That's an outrageous claim by Seth. He's saying that "he knows." SETI monitors radio waves from parts of the cosmos. Who knows what another technologically advanced society is capable of! We'll likely have radically different ways of traveling / communicating in 1,000 years. Maybe quantum physics will allow us to travel differently, We can't assume that Aliens are using our current methods.... SETI is the beginning... not a bookend.
Did you even listen? He said and I quote "It isn't impossible that they could be visiting". There is a possibility, but there is no verifiable evidence, so it is inconsequential.
You're right, He says, "It's possible." He also says crop circles are "not conveying info." Really? Thanks Seth! He says 1/3 of the population believes aliens are visiting.. Then he mocks the 1/3 w/ an elitist snicker. He objects w/, "Why are they here now?" That's an objection? Seth's interviewed b/c he's from SETI. So, people may assume he's an authority on visitation. But he's only dealing w/ 1 method of communication. He doesn't research UFOs & based on his reactions, he is unopen.
Do you have evidence that crop circles are conveying information? I'd say its fair to say that UFO reports and abduction stories didn't become widespread until after the fifties, in an age of sci-fi frenzy and superstition of foriegners, and ask why now? He's only dealing with that method of comm. because its the only one we know about that can travel as far as the next solar system. He doesn't have to research UFO's for that, there are UFO researchers, and none of their work has been validated.
The sci-fi craze & "flying saucers" in movies & comic strips are consequences of reports by credible pilots in the 1940s - not the other way around. The sci-fi frenzy came later.
I don't have evidence that crop circles are conveying info. Although, some physicists are intrigued by the hyperdimensional physics found in a few of the originals & their amazing symmetry. I can't link crop circles w/ visitors from existing worlds. Unfortunately, Seth lumps crop circles in w/ everything else.
It may have helped fuel it, but I did a lot of research on it, and the UFO/alien mania really swelled in the fifties and sixties, while the sci-fi craze was already underway.
It may have swelled in the 50s and 60s, but the majority of sightings by credible pilots and military men were in the 1940s. This was before all the movies. And so many people describing the same thing. Let's not forget overseas too, in every culture. This would not be thrown out in court.
Once again, a report must be verified, or there must be physical evidence for it to be undeniably true. Circumstantial evidence like unverified reports or unexamined video would not win over a jury, I hope. You have every right to believe in them, but your belief does not make them true. Also, eyes can decieve, and further, "UFO"'s are not proof of an alien existence. Very likely they could be experimental aircraft.
And It's possible to imagine a civilization with far more advanced mediums to send information, but we don't have the technology to detect them. It wouldn't make sense for an alien race to even know about us if they hadn't detected waves from OUR planet, which wouldn't make any sense, because our radio waves haven't made it to any other solar systems yet. As far as I know.
no aliens visitations my ass,you have no idea how much data and reverse engineered technology they are hiding from us,extraterrestrials visited us since the dawn of time,and the 1947 groom lake incident was real,but the god damn bloodlines don't want you to know,they want you stupid,right brain spiritual dead,robots
What evidence do you have that we've gained our data and technology from extra terrestians? How do you know that they've visited us since before there was recorded history? What bloodlines?
You have absolutely no evidence, or you do not really care about giving evidence to support your amazing claims. Either way, you should not make such extreme allegations if you're not prepared to defend them logically. I am open to any possibility, but must be convinced. You must not be convinced, or you could effectively convince me.
this guys a sceptic??....he spends his life searching for et, he works for seti......how does that work. as for aliens just arriving now, how does he know that??? there are many cultures that have stories dating 100 of years about et....there are pictures cave drawings etc......
Staffing SETI with skeptics is the best way to help assure that if they ever DO find something - it's DAMN serious.
SETI is a scientific endeavor, and skepticism is a fundamental tenet of science. Scientific belief requires proof - anything else is spiritual faith. Faith is not bad! Just keep it in it's place.
So, if they staffed SETI with tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, nobody would take the effort seriously. Not even you. :)
Hold on - You're missing the point. My point is that Seth says Aliens have NEVER visited earth. His reasoning is a question, "Why now?" What kind of science is that? You can't say they "never" visited earth. In a nutshell, that's what he's saying. You can't prove a negative. I can't say that "No person has EVER stood on their head and sang the theme from 'Cheers' while getting a manicure," and be taken seriously. Especially, if my reasoning is, "Why would someone do it?"
He says it isn't impossible. Then he snickers & laughs at the notion that our gov't would cover it. Yet in actuality, the Bookings Institution recommended to NASA, the prohibition of disclosure of the existence of
extraterrestrial life. That isn't taken lightly.
Then Seth's outrageous claim that crop circles "are not conveying any information in them." How can he say that? He should have added, "that we know of."
His body language and snickering says that he thinks he knows for certain!
If he knew for certain he would close SETI down and forget about it all. Crop circles would be an extremely inefficient way of conveying information (at least to us) and there's earthly methods of making these elaborate designs. It is illogical to jump to the wild and superstitious belief that alien visitors made them if there's no evidence at all to suggest they did. You're right, he should have added "that we know of" but it seems like you should have the common sense to add that yourself.
i understand your point, skepticism is understandable but ridiculing people for their beliefs is another as specially when you are spending your days searching for what you dont believe in.....
5. His last argument is that we don't have any good reports and that we just need one good report so it would be posted everywhere. Hmm. Has Mr. Shostak been living in bubble? There hundreds of credible accounts, videos, and reports. UFOs have been reported by many credible PILOTS, MILITARY EXPERTS, SCIENTISTS, and ASTRONAUTS!! Even astronauts (such as Gordon Cooper and Buzz Aldrin). Buzz aldrin has confirmed that they saw an object following them during a moon mission.
While intriguing, the things you cite sadly only amount to hear-say - fail the test of scientific scrutiny. The speaker meant this when he said "good report".
Regardless most agree:
1. The universe contains other life - it's too damn big not to. That other life has most likely also achieved sentience as we have.
2. Universe's size and age makes the odds of aliens visiting us now very small. No respectable scientist will say it's impossible. Just as there's no proof FOR - also no proof AGAINST.
What is a good report? Astronauts? They have reports. Presidents? They have reports. Police officers? They have reports. Military experts? They have reports. Airplane pilots? They have reports?
I've read all of them. I have several books on U.F.O.'s. First of all, U.F.O.'s are not proof of an alien existence. Secondly, the only credible report is a verifiable one. Everything else is a story.
A credible report is a credible report. To find verifiable evidence for "science," we need to take these reports seriously & investigate. How can we do that w/ the type of snickering and the kind of attitudes shown by people like Seth?
Videos that good analysts have analyzed are not just "stories." So your argument is not realized yet.
The Big Bang is not verifiable yet, but many top scientists talk about it as if it were. That's when science starts doing their own unverifiable claims.
You have still not been able to supply me with a link to a video that has been analyzed by an expert and shown to be beyond a doubt legitimate. I've seen many videos, all debunked by experts, or given a more likely earthly explanation. The big bang is a THEORY, just a theory, based on observation and evidence.
We know that cats see a very different world than humans. We know that dogs can smell and hear things that humans can't. We know that dolphins have different ways of communicating than humans. We know that all species have different brains than humans. So why do we assume that aliens will think just like us? It's very weird to be so presumptuous when it comes to alien agendas.
4. Mr. Shostak's argument that "They don't know about us because our TV signals haven't gotten out in to space" is ridiculous.
Why is SETI obsessed with TV and Radio signals?
Radio signals are one way of communicating. But why do we assume that that is the standard form of communication? Why assume that aliens even want to communicate with such a violent civilization of humans? Why assume that aliens have the same agenda as us?
Radio waves are very new in this solar system, and they're the ones that are going to escape into the deep reaches of outer space. In such a vast universe, where the nearest planetary system is millions of light years away, the only way an alien civilization is going to know about our insignifigant planet is if they recieve some signal. The signal he's talking about is radio wave. It will still take many many years before it reaches the next planet system.
Of course it doesn't end there. There's many many different types of waves. However, the only type of wave going into space with information in it is a radio wave.
The only type of wave coming from earth with information from earth that's going out to space with information for other civilizations to detect that I know of is radio waves.
Araless - You say that the only type of wave coming from earth w/ information for civilizations to detect is radio waves. Yet, we are able to detect planets in other solar systems. Scientists are already discovering earth-like planets OUTSIDE our solar system; Right now! W/ our primitive technology. I say primitive b/c we've only had major advances in the last 100 years. If we're detecting earth-like planets, it's feasible that we don't need radio waves to detect intelligence.
@robshaps: we detect signs of other planets with light - just another EM wave. Same as radio different frequency. I mean no insult by this but if you study just a little physics, your entry level questions will be answered.
And via QED, we have a very good idea of what other forms of communications are possible, but all verifiable phenomena observe lights' speed limit. So even if exotic unknown information is created from human activity, it's gonna take ages to get anywhere. Big Universe!!
I don't understand what you're getting at. I agree that it's possible that other civilizations are using different technology to convey information. I wasn't arguing that. My argument was this - an alien civilization isn't going to know about our random existence until it recieves some communication: radio waves. Our radio waves still have a LONG way to go to reach the next star system, so presumably no aliens know about us yet, and have not visited us yet.
Araless - We are discovering planets every day w/ our technology. This is new for us. Aliens could not only be discovering planets like us, but they could know there's life on planets without necessarily receiving our radio waves.
Also it is yes, very presumptuous to say aliens "have not visited us yet." W/ all the credible testimonies by pilots, scientists (not ufologists), videos that have not been proven fake, you can't just blow it all off. In court, this would not be thrown out.
It is extremely and ridiculously implausible that an alien civilization could have discovered ours, and even more unlikely that they would have taken a HUGE trip over here just to check. It's possible, but not plausible. Also, it is not presumptuous to say aliens have not visited yet. There is a vast amount of videos and reports that cannot all be verified. Just because they've not been proven fake, it does not follow that they must be real. It is circumstantial and wouldn't get the conviction.
Yikes. Hold on. You just made another outrageous claim and said that it's not plausible. It's not? Maybe to you.
Also, look how eager we are here on earth to find alien life.. Yet, you are saying that another civilization wouldn't have taken the HUGE trip? You don't know what kind of technology exists in the BILLIONS of planets that exist. You also don't know any agendas. You also don't know any motivations. Nobody said it was "just to check."
It's not at all an outrageous claim. Have you forgotten how vast the universe is? Humans cannot perceive distances as great as the distance to the next star system. It is a mind bogglingly HUGE gap. Can you even fathom a technology that would detect life on the next star system with no communication received from it? In some distant pocket of the universe? And then to set off across BILLIONS of light years to find out if there is indeed intelligent life? Not impossible. Plausible though?! No.
Wow... you said it is "extremely & ridiculously implausible that an alien civilization COULD have discovered ours." But we're discovering planets all the time now...w/ less than 100 years of new technology. We will also know soon - which ones have the conditions for life. That's a HUGE leap in our knowing. So what could we know with 1,000 years of technology?? Exactly! A lot! So, it's so not "extremely and ridiculously implausible." Wow. And you somehow have books about UFOs? Why?
Discovering the existence of a planet and knowing that there's an intelligent civilization there are two QUITE different things, I should think. Even if they speculated that this planet would be able to sustain life, to take a gamble and travel and unfathomable distance just to verify their claims seems completely wasteful. I don't know if we'll be around for another 1000 years, but if we are, we may be able to detect other planets, but I doubt we'll be able to reach them.
They go to the trouble of ERASING PEOPLES MEMORIES....Because .
THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE HERE!!!
WOB1010 3 months ago
SETI is a joke,
.SETH ---YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE !...THEY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A THOUSAND YEARS.
. Aliens are right here ; Right now.
. A short wave radio broadcasting a request for conversation ,,
,might get a response .
. But THE ALIENS ARE HIDING , and don't have any reason to revile
themselves to us...
(Crop circles are made by the boys who have nothing to do ...is correct)
WOB1010 3 months ago
WOW. He says in thousands of alien related reports that there is not one good one? WOW! what about 1942 in LA? Roswell? Pheonix lights (the governer confirmed it!), and there are so many new stories that were released by uk files!! not to mention the clear photo of the ufo in Belgium and the cops who have stated they think it was a alien craft. lol he is clueless and in denail. he says that bright lights have just been reported in the sky in the 20th and 21st century? LOOL???
bluefev3r 4 months ago
OH FOR FUCK SAKE I WONDOR WHY!!!! Might as well believe in fairies and dinosaurs for fuck sake! Why do these idiots look for little green men,for one they don't exist they'll have better chance looking for fairies. Makes me sick thought of these demons running around on some satan planet!!! Well atleast if they find something we can slaughter the vile things. THEY BELONG IN FICTION!!!!!
NobDickBalls 7 months ago
@NobDickBalls I do believe you were born 200 years too early my friend.
Perhaps the Dark Ages would have been more appropriate time for your limited thinking capacity.
Medieval, backward thoughts such as spouted in your embarrassing comment only emphasizes that.
The very fact that intelligent life happened in this ordinary Galaxy, in this ordinary Solar System, on a ordinary planet should tell you immediately that life is Universal.
Religion and Thought Suppression,... what a pair they make.
Tiberiusduck 4 months ago
@Tiberiusduck What?! i belong in the dark ages because i don't believe that these fucking vermin exist?! fuck you shitweed !the Earth is gods beautiful,special planet and the only one with life ass shat!
Nothing but gass,shit and our father out there!!!!
We are gods children these vermin are'nt! they should'nt live in gods beautiful universe! for fuck sake E.T was a fucking movie and some planks actaully think they're fucking real?! might as welll believe in Santa..how about big foot!
NobDickBalls 4 months ago
@NobDickBalls Judging by your horrendous use of the vernacular, you appear to be absolutely scared to death of any First Contact with any advanced civilization from somewhere else in our galaxy or universe for fear it will force you to re-evaluate your whole belief system.
Like it or not, First Contact is coming my friend. You can either bury your head in your bible with fear or face that reality head on like a human being.
That choice is ultimately yours.
Thank you for confirming my comments.
Tiberiusduck 4 months ago
@Tiberiusduck الأجانب لا يريدون لكسب الاصدقاء والتحدث معنا.. لمجرد انهم اللعنة متعجرفة للغاية الشر الأوغاد غير مكترثة وعدم احترام القواعد إله الآلهة انتقلت بها من الصورة انهم تريليونات سنة ضوئية. غير المرغوب فيها هم تختفي ببطء إله غاضب هو سخيف معهم انه حكم على كل منهم أن تحترق في نار جهنم ذبح واحدة تلو الأخرى
NobDickBalls 4 months ago
@NobDickBalls
You're an idiot and you contradict your own beliefs. You are sinning in your God's eyes for insulting people. There are more stars than grains of sand on every beach in the world. A handful of sand is around 40,000,000 grains..... You cannot tell me or anyone with logic that life exists no where else. You are a fucking idiot fideist.
Cookycow 3 months ago
If aliens ever visited or will ever visit this part of the galaxy, chances are it must have been a very long time ago or it will happen in the distant future. The fact that humans happen to be around now does not mean that the present time is any more special than any period of time in the past or in the future. So there is no reason to expect that aliens will visit now just because we are here now.
istvanklein 7 months ago
Why is this guy working for SETI? We should put someone who believes and is willing to work for the cause!
Torontocollapse 8 months ago
Please read CAREFULLY what I have said and you will see that I have made some valid points as have you . I'm not asking you believe anything but rather that you listen or look into both sides of the story Scientist are only human and can make mistakes and believe in things that just aren't true...Scientists once thought the world was flat for a long time...
Largegray 8 months ago
@Largegray Religious people proclaimed the Earth was flat because they hadn't looked at the evidence. The earliest true scientists (including some of the Ancient Greeks) proved it was round by performing experiments and examining the data.
apeswithhobbies 8 months ago
Why do you choose to ignore the things I say ?? I'm not trying to prove anything, furthermore stop putting words in my mouth and how am I criticizing you ?? Because I have provided a counter argument to your idea of things ??Why do you take everything so personally. You are obviously unhappy because a mocked SETH, who in my opinion is very naive...You are happy to listen to what SETH has to say but not STANTON FRIEDMAN, because your mind is already made up isn't it ???
Largegray 8 months ago
Please don't call me arrogant because if I had dismissed the issue there would be no need for debate. I debate when I want to find the basis of others' opinions. I did not make a precedent or "case in point" to which I was "justifying" anything. I was making a logical conclusion that people who study stars tend to have better formed knowledge of what might be out there than people who only have experience and no tangible evidence. Scientific evidence would be something like an alien artifact.
KidJDX 8 months ago
@KidJDX you just don't get it do you ?? It's pretty obvious he does not believe aliens have visited. That much is established OK ?? SETH believes that people have only recently made a lot of noise about aliens and/or that people believe they are visiting only just now !! As I said before SETHS premise is incorrect, it is only he that thinks people believe that aliens are visiting now....SETH does not believe in visitation period !!OK ?? Why is it so hard for you to read and understand ??
Largegray 8 months ago
@KidJDX You say that an artifact would constitute evidence...You are obviously fairly young and naive, because scientists will not believe anything in relation to aliens.. A UFO could land in their back yards and they still would not believe it. The CIA could make a news statement saying aliens are real and scientists still would not believe it would they ??They simply cannot comprehend anything that falls outside of their field of study...
Largegray 8 months ago
@KidJDX if you bother to research the topic thoroughly you will find mountains of evidence. But naturally you wont research it because your mind is already made up isn't it ?? Why is subjective or Circumstantial evidence evidence good enough to convict some one in a court of law ??Yet when this evidence is used to back up a UFO incident or even an alien abduction case it's no longer good enough ??This is because many scientists are extremely arrogant and have double standards
Largegray 8 months ago
@Largegray Circumstantial evidence is not sufficient for a conviction in American courts. I have done tons of research. Why don't you learn to spell and punctuate some before you call me ignorant. I refuse to acknowledge you as an intelligent human being anymore because you simply resort to name calling like a child.
KidJDX 8 months ago
@KidJDX As I said before; it looks like your mind is already made up! You have ZERO credibility.
Largegray 8 months ago
@Largegray If there's a mountain of non-anecdotal evidence in support of the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis, could you please point us to one single example? It's simply not good enough to say "there's a mountain of evidence" without actually producing any. Science has much higher standards of evidence than a court of law, by the way. It's estimated that 10% of people in prison have been wrongly convicted. We do not establish reality by winning debates.
apeswithhobbies 8 months ago
You have obviously completely missed my point and your reply is a "case in point" example of people not doing their research correctly. The point was NOT that UFO buffs believe aliens are visiting, but rather the "general understanding" is that aliens have been visiting for much longer than just the " current period" that SETH eludes to...So if you understand now, SETH is mistaken in the general understanding of alien visitation. NO BODY ever said it was happening "only now" except for SETH.
Largegray 9 months ago
Good old seth has not done his homework; which is often the case with these "know-all" bigot astronomers! Seth buddy alot of UFO researchers believe ET has been visiting for thousands of years; so your points are invalid i.e who said they (ET) are visiting just now ?? You are a first class twat! maybe aliens don't use radio signals ?? SETI is a complete load of shit a rubber stamp for nothing! A place for nerds with massive egos to waste tax payers money for nothing !!
Largegray 9 months ago
@Largegray Of course "UFO researchers" have the belief that aliens are visiting. They wouldn't be UFO researchers otherwise. What scientific methods do they follow? Blurry video is not evidence of anything. Don't call someone else a bigot or a know-all because you yourself are utterly convinced of your OPINION. He's a know-all who has most likely more education then you will ever have. You aren't supposed to put space before punctuation. Don't criticize his ego, whilst claiming your superiority.
KidJDX 9 months ago
@Kid You have obviously completely missed my point and your reply is a "case in point" example of people not doing their research correctly. The point was NOT that UFO buffs believe aliens are visiting, but rather the "general understanding" is that aliens have been visiting for much longer than just the " current period" that SETH eludes to.So if you understand now, SETH is mistaken in the general understanding of alien visitation. NO BODY ever said it was happening "only now" except for SETH.
Largegray 9 months ago
@Largegray That is called subjective evidence. You must have some analysis that proves it, but instead you only supply someone else's opinion of what they saw or what they read that someone saw. You said I was dismissing the issue as a "fringe issue". However, I never stated that I was. You are saying I was being arrogant, but at the same time you are criticizing me because I don't agree with your opinion. Apparently, you expected me to concede to your opinion without evidence.
KidJDX 8 months ago
@Kid as far as scientific research goes properly researching, analyzing documents and thousands of witness reports made by pilots,ex military/intelligence has been carried out by some very credible researchers such as Stanton Friedman who is a Nuclear Physicist and UFO researcher.This guy is highly educated and not an idiot..Look into his work to get an understanding of all this rather than being arrogant and dismissing the subject as a"fringe issue"but I guess your mind is already made up?
Largegray 9 months ago
@Largegray You clearly don't understand what he is saying do you. He is saying have never been visited by aliens. You're arguing that he should acknowledge that aliens have been visiting for thousands of years instead of just now. However, the premise of your argument is invalid because he never stated that. He was being sarcastic. Secondly, the statement that military reports stand as evidence. Nope. Sorry, but no scientist would accept that someone saw it and wrote it, therefore it is true.
KidJDX 8 months ago
Discovery Channel did a documentary on crop circles that occured in my wife's hometown in ND. The funny thing is that everyone in town knew it was a hoax ,and who did it. Even funnier is the guy they interviewed as being abducted by aliens is known as an eccentric alcoholic , yet affable goofball.
jrewert 1 year ago
There is not a complete study gathering all the research on this material: UFO / ALIENS, to civilians.
A lot of people involved with NASA, including SETI (despite claiming to be a civilian organization sponsored) are submitted to the Department of Defense. CIA control absolutely everything related to the press. I know it seems impossible, but is true.
Cheers
luaconspiracao 1 year ago
the thing is. theese ufos might not be bio beings. the ships might be unmanned and might not produce any signal. its inmature to jump the gun on any possible conclusion without investigating theese on a large scale. fact is no sighting in the sky is proof of aleins. we need a filmed close up encounter seen by thousands. basicaly we need on to land in the middle of times sqware
grungeguy83 1 year ago
Seth is da man.
JabberCT 1 year ago
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This guy has hid head up so far UP HIS ASS! What a dickhead!!!
CRUZADOR2700 1 year ago
Seth Shostak is a total f--king tool bag he needs to wake the f--k up get his f--king fat Ostrich head out of the f--king sand and smell the f--king Roses. Just check my channel out and tell me that all my saved UFO videos are all FAKE. And if you can say that they are all FAKE then I would say that you are just as f--ked in the head as Seth Shostak is.
UFOVIDEOPROOF 1 year ago
@UFOVIDEOPROOF
They should rename SETI into CUETI – Cover Up Extra Terrestrial Intelligence. That´s exactly what this organization is doing along with the government and the clergy. Shostak delivered the proof again. SETI is searching for radio signals deep in the galaxy while an alien presence here on earth is more and more obvious.
damn4409 11 months ago
@damn4409 lol wtf... what alien presence!?!? lol
torment3d 10 months ago
@torment3d
You can lol till your ignorant sparrow brain explodes--THERE IS AN ALIEN PRESENCE - THOUSANDS OF FIRST CLASS PILOTS KNOW ABOUT IT - ASTRONAUTS KNOW ABOUT IT -EACH CIVILISED GOVERNMENT KNOWS ABOUT IT
damn4409 10 months ago
@damn4409 just telling me there is, isn't enough mate. Reference material and links plz - I am yet to see anything that would say that any kind of alien life has visited this planet.
torment3d 10 months ago
@torment3d
What sense would that make ? You have your opinion . Fact is that there are tons of material and millions of people who saw it and thousand of them are a 100 PERCENT TRUSTWORTHY. If a pilot can´t idenify an UFO nobody can. Type in Larry King – Ufo and you find the proof, watch ´mile wide UFO´spotted by Brittish airline pilot´and you find proof.There are thousands of vids , watch the interviews with Nasa Pilot Edgar Mitchell
damn4409 10 months ago
@damn4409 checked out your mile wide UFO video. Not evidence at all. Hearsay/stories are not evidence. And UFO on Larry King - lmfao. CNN is just as bad as fox news, sensationalist bullshit.
So, I'm still waiting on your "evidence". I'm not saying that aliens don't exist - in fact I happen to think that due to the universe being so big, it's ridiculous to think that no other intelligent life exists. However - so far we have not really seen any evidence that they have visited - only speculation.
torment3d 10 months ago
@torment3d
I see--- everything that is said on Larry King/CNN is a lie and bullshit no matter if scientists and doctors say it? This is an interesting argumentation – What if sombody on CNN says YOU are extremely intelligent? Since it was said on CNN it must be a lie and that would mean you´re an idiot
damn4409 10 months ago
@damn4409 I'm not discussing this any further as you choose to ignore my points that actually make my argument.
torment3d 10 months ago
@torment3d
I don´t ignore your arguments but your arguments are based on ignorance. If a person tells the truth it is the truth NO MATTER IF HE/SHE SAYS IT ON CNN OR NBC OR NICKELODEON – IT IS STILL THE TRUTH. You can believe the chewed for shit of shostak that´s the easiest way for you, but that is not the truth and nothing will change that.
damn4409 10 months ago
@damn4409 furthermore, some of the accounts on the larry king video - one of the guys talks about dripping molten metal, and saw it on the ground. Why didn't they grab any? That would have been confirmative proof that something other-wordly had been there. Sorry, but this isn't evidence.
torment3d 10 months ago
@torment3d
The aliens are too smart to leave physical evidence, thousands of eye witnesses are proof enough anyway.
damn4409 10 months ago
@damn4409 lmfao. That is absolute bollocks - and is complete speculation. However, that kind of sentimentality is why people believe in God. You've already made it up in your mind that they exist, and will fit what you see and hear to fit your beliefs.
torment3d 10 months ago
@torment3d
The alien intelligence is outstripping the human intelligence. They know perfectly that humans are primitive.We deceive each other, we kill each other , we insult each other and we don´t believe each other.The humans these days have still archaic tribal thinkstructures there is heaven above and hell underneath and we´re between this and that´s all. That´s why the aliens can show their spacecrafts and don´t have to fear any consequences.
damn4409 10 months ago
There are thousands of eye witnesses, doctors, pilots, a high officer of the army but you say they´re all crazy and liears ´cause there is no evidence? What is an evidence for you? A piece of molten metal? What would you do if you had such an "evidence"? Take it to the next police station and risking to be arrested? All the evidence was confiscated so far, and there was a police officer who told this story and he lost his job- but you believe nothing ´cause you need evidence
damn4409 10 months ago
Seth Shostak is Carl Sagan reincarnated
jomjom1207 1 year ago
@jomjom1207, not reincarnated. Only assumed the role of misinforming the public
Cheers
luaconspiracao 1 year ago
youtube crop circle ship. there is something going on with them. it all makes sense when you put the images together.
questionsleadtotruth 1 year ago
seth needs to watch his mouth.
MegaCoreMagnetizer 1 year ago
liar
syborius 1 year ago
True, Crop circles are 100% hoax.
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Point 1 -Seth, They have been here for 3000 years.
Point 2- Why don't we have good evidance? A-They don't want to be seen.
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I have been abducted many times.
I would guess that they are 20 million years advanced over us.
They will revile themselves,to the world, only when we become civilized.
WOB1010 1 year ago
2 imbecile, fucking morons.
usergently 1 year ago
wow what a lier!
rdogg3030 1 year ago
i will however sadly for me,i have not seen them for about 5 weeks at my city.
but it's treu,just you try and when it works you put your story also on youtube or give your images and footages or story too,fastwalkers or some of the ufo sites.
you will see what i say too you people,and i ain't lying.
so most people would think.
and if you have those images or footages,i will watch them and respect them always.
i wish every one a very goodluck and a very good health.
roel form holland.
roelof37 1 year ago
he is sleeping too.
or so i think,he must say this because the goverments need us sheep too make more money.
do you not see this?!?!
they are here and they use light signals and they can communicate with thought.
just you try it whit your brigth lantarn and signal them,some will signal back.
and if you try using your thoughts and you ask them too signal to you they may do so.
i just say they do sometimes.
i will not lie to any one i have seen this with my own eyes,but that's another story
roelof37 1 year ago
SETI = New World Order "COINTELPRO"and nothing more.
SETI is no longer to be trusted in telling the truth folks and that is the bitter reality of the situation.
This organization has become so corrupt since it's inception, that it's no longer funny.
SETI has become a very secretively funded government "Black-Op".
New Mission Objective :
"Pacify The Global Community At All Costs And Deny, Deny, Deny."
That is exactly what NASA has become too and it happens by no accident.
Tiberiusduck 1 year ago
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AlienshateU 1 year ago
NO aliens
WE ARE THE ALIENS !
learning112233 1 year ago
You can find it in our genome. We cannot speciate though we have been here for hundreds of thousands of years. We have found hybrids of neanderthals and humans, which shows that no matter how different two humans can be, they are still part of the same species.
Humans cannot speciate. That in it self is alien and solid proof.
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
you know why we haven't heard a signal? no civilization is stupid enough to broadcast radio waves at anywhere near our level.
that's like cosmically yelling "habbitable planet, come invade us".
Aidsus 1 year ago
Shostak, what a smug, douche-bag, egg-head. He thinks if he belittles every other theory, it somehow makes his project legit. In other words, if you don't believe the way he does you're a joke.
And now the joke's on him. It's been proven that radio signals would break-up, even before they got out of our solar system. That means his beloved SETI project is the biggest JOKE of all.
Somebody tell this clown his beliefs are now antiquated.
laughingcrows 1 year ago 2
this Guy is INVOLVED IN the government cover up.either this guy does not know about the ufos,majestic 12,top Secret goverment ,aliens...OR even He Knows everything nd pretending as if he does not know anything about aliens visiting our planet.Do you know that there is 42 SECURITY CLEARANCE above the president to noe the TOP SECRET GOVT INFO.im damn sure the president dos not know any thing.NASA UFO in space footage is the BEST videos of extraterrestrial.the TRUTH WILL COME OUT SOME DAY
soulfly2007fk 1 year ago
@soulfly2007fk it is coming out, and disclosure is coming very soon
syborius 1 year ago
of course the visitors are already here, but for what reason should us contacted
1. they investigate us
2. they explore our earth
3. they examine ours behavior...when they have already contacted us, is the exploration over, right !
kinofreakmaniak 1 year ago
I have indeed seen an alien, just the once in 1989 or 1990. I was sitting on my balcony eating vegemite toast at sunset. As soon as it saw me it bolted. I have no evidence but saw it around the time there was a UFO sighting in my city. All my family laughed at me.
HeatherOfOz 1 year ago
Don't believe anything anyone says. Give yourself the skills to go check history and the present and future. Do out of body research. That way it is you that you are listening to not someone else. This and the right use of your minds will get you to the point where no matter what anyone says you have the ability mentally to go and check it. Why do you think people stopped using most of their minds and started depending on others? They forget how to research and think? it profits someone
ClairaGEagleHawk 1 year ago
so on the moon out of body there are dome cities with metal tops on them larger than football fields. They are mineing something. They have american looking wheelbarrels maybe got them on sale for 55 thousand each plus delivery cost. They have green stuff down there and they just work there. Like a moon job. My favorite aliens are the 3 finger ones on the moon they are the nicest ones.
ClairaGEagleHawk 1 year ago
So bull shit they are not on this planet there are a lot of them and think humans are strange they are always asking Why are the humans doing this or that. Anyway to talk to them they use their heads and think so forget the antiquated electronics and radios. Just learn to use your head. I got there to the moon out of body and they started to shake my hands so I finally asked them why are we doing this? They said " it is an earth custom!?" Oh yeah, I knew that, Really
ClairaGEagleHawk 1 year ago
Ok so I went out of body to the moon. When I got there there were a lot of different kinds of aliens. Just like we have on earth. They said they have a treaty and it is to mine and that they mine under the surface of the planet with these air holes you can go thru to underground and there is metal holding the ceilings of these domes larger than football field domes and they work there. I hope they are not slaves to anyone. Anyway so they all walk and talk and breath on the moon.
ClairaGEagleHawk 1 year ago
what a lie we know dam well that we are not the only kids on the block thats he knows something let me refresh your memory we have alot of people all over the world seein things other live to tell and some military intelligent this is real as real our universe is timing with life of course is always a covery up
abmz1970 1 year ago
I wonder if religious people would try to convert aliens.
Ramshobraja 1 year ago
Seth my dear, you are obviously employed by black ops to perform a "black flag" Go play underground, in the dark, with your cohorts. You continue to overestimate yourself and underestimate the public - you may believe in your illusions - we do not share your deceit with you.
Mystictruthes 1 year ago
FORA TV is "black ops" Not worth the attention - and very unconvincing - as a matter of fact - transparent.
Mystictruthes 1 year ago
Poor Seth Shostak. He's on stage to deceive. Oh well, for his income he will do what he's told. Senior Astronomer for the SET-i or is it the "I Set (the rules) Instiute - hmmm which leg of the Black Cabal is that? Crop Circles cannot be replicated by humans in the perfection, symmetry, or quality and/or in the time. The communicate to all human beings "Hello, we are here. Look and See"
Mystictruthes 1 year ago
The evidence is now so over whelming that Extraterrestrials are here, to deny it, is akin to SETI telling the general public that the world is actually flat. That is what SETI has tuned into. A monument to the denial of the truth. They just want to keep their weekly paychecks going for as long as possible. Confirmation of Continuous Extraterrestrial Visitation would only put them out of a job and confirm what idiots they were for their past denial. SETI is now about their egos and job security.
Tiberiusduck 1 year ago
The SETI group are some of the most closed minded, arrogant, pompus, intellectually brain dead people you will ever meet. The purpose of science is to offer an honest investigation of any given subject. Not once has SETI ever done an honest investigation as to what is being video taped around the world on a daily basis and by that I mean UFO's. I think SETI was designed as a "Black Op" to deny the fact that Extraterrestrials are indeed visiting our planet because that is all SETI has ever done.
Tiberiusduck 1 year ago
SETI is a complete joke. The fact is, most intelligent people on this planet believe that Extraterrestrial First Contact happened around 65 years ago and that very fact has been deliberately hidden from the general public. We need not look towards the heavens for proof of Intelligent Extraterrestrial Existence but look around our own planet for the proof that Extraterrestrials are already here.
SETI 's motto should be ;
"THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND AS US, WHO CHOOSE NOT TO SEE."
Tiberiusduck 1 year ago
@Tiberiusduck You are correct. Trust what you KNOW, and disregard the deceit.
Mystictruthes 1 year ago
@Tiberiusduck SETI is a complete joke, I boycotted once they started belittling the scientific anomalies within the crop circle phenomenon, that was a red flag to me, and like many others here that have pointed out radio waves is not a long distant means of communications, never was, never will be. The methodology they are using to search is flawed for a reason. If suddenly they come out with the truth well, what is the point of SETI?? It would get defunded.
syborius 1 year ago
there is drawings of ufos and alien like things that are up to 5000years old...
arc1342 1 year ago
the Seti Intitute is a waste of tax payers money
wisesatyr72 1 year ago
SETI hasn't been publicly funded since the 90s, dipshit.
MakerInMotion 1 year ago 2
@MakerInMotion Good, that means you're doing all the funding..good luck w/that dipshit, Ive forgot to check their credentials on wikipedia..thats how much I cared about SETI..douchebag cocksucker!!
wisesatyr72 1 year ago
@luckitz Oh I get it now. SETI is us looking for aliens in an infinite haystack but the aliens can "see from afar" the moment one tiny planet begins to acquire technology using some form of emissions that can travel faster than the speed of light. My bad.
thefnshit 1 year ago
@luckitz hahaha.... more sensitive equipment. Yeah their equipment allows our signals to travel faster than the speed of light, or send out worm holes closer to what they're listening to. If you had said that at least it would make a little sense, but "way more sensitive?"
thefnshit 1 year ago
if extra-terrestrial didn't visit our earth.......then what do you say about MILLIONS OF UFO VIDEO AMONG THE public.the real truth is that we are being visited by aliens each day from other planets.AND THE GOVERNMENT,NASA...EVERYONE ARE INVOLVED IN THE COVER-UP.ROSWELL INCIDENT IS THE BEST PROOF OF UFO.millions of Profs,many witnesses including JESSIE MARCEL..BUT STILL GOVT DENIES ROSWELL CRASH saing itz a weather ballon.
soulfly2007fk 1 year ago
u must get paid for lying and rediculing the ideas of ufos. ufos have always been here infact they were here long before our civilisation came to be; in truth we are the aliens ourselves cos we liturally came from the stars know this. this is no bull.
kuvceebxab1 1 year ago
luckitz you have no idea what you are talking about. The whole point of SETI is Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence. It is his job to look for this, and he would probably get paid far more if they DID find something.
Human's VERY first radio waves have travelled VERY short, insignificant distances when considering the size of OUR GALAXY, let alone the entire universe. Yes, intelligent life could have more sensitive measurement equipment but they cannot overcome the laws of physics.
JSeay86 1 year ago 2
wow this Seth dude must like in a box, my little sister knows more real truths than this man and she is only 13 years old,lol
is this guy a complete idiot ? plz dont answer that ,lol
grey167 2 years ago
'What is the purpose of the Universe?'
rbolo29 2 years ago
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barrypluisje 2 years ago
dont believe what he says.. he works for american goverment. u think they would says HEYYY aliens are here!..Ofcourse not!! youse your brains and study.aliens have been watching our evolution for centuries! look at bibical text and compare them to egyptian.sumarian.mayan gods...it would be a crisis when they would say that we are the gods.. if u were a caveman and see a bright light fwith fire come from skyes YOU wouldnt think THATS A SPACESHIP when they dont even know whats a fork.
redbunnyz 2 years ago
Seth makes no valid points here to support is skepticism. There is no proof that alien sightings are only limited to our modern world. Our advancement in technology and communication may now allow people to compile their sightings and make their voice heard to many other people. As he says here our signal has only been sent into space around 60 years ago, that may be why they are only "popping up now".
johndobson01 2 years ago
Seth you are our leader sir...there are no aliens...not here any how...thats impossible sir...I too am a SETI@home convert and am waiting for my signal sir..Hail to Seth...
johnsmdm 2 years ago
Seth's logic is pretty weak. No kidding crop circles are hoaxes. That doesn't rule out the real events.
Aliens don't know we're here? If they can get here in the first place, they will have the ability to predict where intelligent life will emerge.
No good sightings? There are many of them! Check out the Belgian UFO or the Phoenix lights (1-2 mile wide craft spotted by many, including the governor!).
Seth only wants to keep funding SETI, and if they are already here, why look for signals?
nofooIn 2 years ago
i belive in god and in aliens as well i also belive aliens have been helping advance for hundreds of years and still are and still are bery much amonge us, and your right also abotu the anciet writtings as well showing proof of alines and alien craft as well. the goverment would have us belive that we are alone and seti is just another one of them that is trying ot convince us of just that, religions would fall in an instante and the government would lose control if we all knew the truth
KevinMillard68 2 years ago
Seti is a multibillion dollar exercise in faith. Fascinating subject yes, but still faith based.
benthemiester 2 years ago
Hey Seth, its your old friend Frank:>) So how do they get their. Seth your a contradiction walking. People, this is the worst example of somebody working for seti. Ive really never seen someone in such denile. I just dont get the guy.
fjcivdawg 2 years ago
Hi everyone ! If you want to view real aliens check out 73roadrunner1! I've posted a couple of responses to this clip & we'll see if they allow them. A good clip I have is SusanFarns Bigfoot Meadow little critter 01 !! A lot of the clips I have show blurry spots,I call them anomalies,that's where "they" useally are ! If you don't believe me check your own digital camera's video's against tree's or just the green outdoors & you'll see them. Thanks & take care
73roadrunner1 2 years ago
his whole argument is false. watch disclosure project witness # 2. there are lots of pictures of flying saucers in middle age paintings and the sumarians spoke of aliens. you can't fool all the people all the time fora TV
berrynaut 2 years ago
hi sirs....pl;ease contact me and my millions if its me sirs....
johnsmdm 2 years ago
loooool imagine the aliens hear ww2 broadcasts of hitler lool theyd come down n b like weres ur leader adolf looooool "HES DEAD" lool
jakeavakian 2 years ago
I'm sure government hides a lot of shit to prevent the weak minded from going crazy at the idea of a species outside of Earth.
DAOMAT 2 years ago
perhaps the gotv. isnt hiding alien information but i am a believer in beings far more intelligent than humanity that have known of our existance for a long time now. this universe is to large for them not to exist. There is a possiblity they could be observing us right now and we can't pick them up on our subordinate technology
retrocareermelted 2 years ago
Yeah UFO's do exist... Unidentified Flying Objects as in you dont know what it is but it will be satillite/spy plane/prototype aircraft/rockets any number of things. If aliens did really come ehre you really think they would A) Crash (with there amazing technology to get here i dont think they would) B) Get captured by us without putting up a fight C) Try to blow us away instantly as War and conquering is the nature of rpetty much everything.
Trikz1990 2 years ago
Seti is goverment funded and goverment owned.They have one job hide any contact from the public.Here's what so stupid.What makes seti think any species would send a radio uhf or beemed message.The messages pour in but not to them only on the higher coincious level.Seti is all part of that big black curtain.look up WOW signal ever since that the goverment took over.Don't trust Seti.they part of the spacebased weapons push.Any messages will be sent to those that are about truth and service to all!
cobramark8 2 years ago
cobramark8, have you checked in to reality yet? SETI is not goverment funded.
confedr8 2 years ago
this guy was spewing disinformation and trying his best to look like he is telling the truth.take notice of the constant laughter throughout this video,
this is an indication of someone being put on the spot
not telling the truth
disinformation at its worst
professorpunk1 2 years ago
professorpunk1 is the only source of disinformation here.
confedr8 2 years ago
From a human point of view is ridiculous, and I agree crop circles are non sense. But UFOs are real. This gentleman forgets about the posibility that an Alien civilization, maybe millions of years more advance than us would probably have different priorities. Perhaps life is wide spread but intelligent life capable of producing technology is very rare to find. Perhaps we are a window to their past, and this is interesting enough to bring them here.
Revolucionario02 2 years ago
I have seen a "v" shape of five UFO'S.
Until then I did not believe either.
I now know that Humans, God and Angels exist.
Angels fly in UFO's as seen by the prophet Ezikiel.
Angels are to be here near our end of times.
This is why they are here and you will see them soon yourself.
rhideout 2 years ago
I TO BELEIVE IN GOD, BUT I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT ALIENS ARE ANGELS. i always ask myself who created the big bang, if god created the big bang then who created god, it screws with my head.
rosswick12 2 years ago
If you "beleive" in God, you should know that he is the Alpha and Omega and has always been, never created.
Shatter7 2 years ago
That's what I figured out. All the reports are hoaxes, not because the subject is UFOs but because the massive number of reports hasn't got a single good case. People do these hoaxes for reputation and prestige.
teemuruskeepaa 2 years ago
bullshit ,aliens are real
492madrid 2 years ago
I have been abducted Aliens, They pump me with full of shit in mexico, told me to pop some acid dam i was a rocket flying around earth. than i woke up at homedepot with herpez.....lol...just kiddin I belive in aliens..not kidding too, I doo! )
wtapache 2 years ago
You can't say, "aliens have never visited earth." That's an outrageous claim by Seth. He's saying that "he knows." SETI monitors radio waves from parts of the cosmos. Who knows what another technologically advanced society is capable of! We'll likely have radically different ways of traveling / communicating in 1,000 years. Maybe quantum physics will allow us to travel differently, We can't assume that Aliens are using our current methods.... SETI is the beginning... not a bookend.
robshaps 2 years ago
Did you even listen? He said and I quote "It isn't impossible that they could be visiting". There is a possibility, but there is no verifiable evidence, so it is inconsequential.
araless 2 years ago
You're right, He says, "It's possible." He also says crop circles are "not conveying info." Really? Thanks Seth! He says 1/3 of the population believes aliens are visiting.. Then he mocks the 1/3 w/ an elitist snicker. He objects w/, "Why are they here now?" That's an objection? Seth's interviewed b/c he's from SETI. So, people may assume he's an authority on visitation. But he's only dealing w/ 1 method of communication. He doesn't research UFOs & based on his reactions, he is unopen.
robshaps 2 years ago
Do you have evidence that crop circles are conveying information? I'd say its fair to say that UFO reports and abduction stories didn't become widespread until after the fifties, in an age of sci-fi frenzy and superstition of foriegners, and ask why now? He's only dealing with that method of comm. because its the only one we know about that can travel as far as the next solar system. He doesn't have to research UFO's for that, there are UFO researchers, and none of their work has been validated.
araless 2 years ago
The sci-fi craze & "flying saucers" in movies & comic strips are consequences of reports by credible pilots in the 1940s - not the other way around. The sci-fi frenzy came later.
I don't have evidence that crop circles are conveying info. Although, some physicists are intrigued by the hyperdimensional physics found in a few of the originals & their amazing symmetry. I can't link crop circles w/ visitors from existing worlds. Unfortunately, Seth lumps crop circles in w/ everything else.
robshaps 2 years ago
It may have helped fuel it, but I did a lot of research on it, and the UFO/alien mania really swelled in the fifties and sixties, while the sci-fi craze was already underway.
araless 2 years ago
It may have swelled in the 50s and 60s, but the majority of sightings by credible pilots and military men were in the 1940s. This was before all the movies. And so many people describing the same thing. Let's not forget overseas too, in every culture. This would not be thrown out in court.
robshaps 2 years ago
Once again, a report must be verified, or there must be physical evidence for it to be undeniably true. Circumstantial evidence like unverified reports or unexamined video would not win over a jury, I hope. You have every right to believe in them, but your belief does not make them true. Also, eyes can decieve, and further, "UFO"'s are not proof of an alien existence. Very likely they could be experimental aircraft.
araless 2 years ago
its not a belief, its a knowing.....
grey167 2 years ago
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grey167 2 years ago
And It's possible to imagine a civilization with far more advanced mediums to send information, but we don't have the technology to detect them. It wouldn't make sense for an alien race to even know about us if they hadn't detected waves from OUR planet, which wouldn't make any sense, because our radio waves haven't made it to any other solar systems yet. As far as I know.
araless 2 years ago
no aliens visitations my ass,you have no idea how much data and reverse engineered technology they are hiding from us,extraterrestrials visited us since the dawn of time,and the 1947 groom lake incident was real,but the god damn bloodlines don't want you to know,they want you stupid,right brain spiritual dead,robots
MasterTerran 2 years ago
What evidence do you have that we've gained our data and technology from extra terrestians? How do you know that they've visited us since before there was recorded history? What bloodlines?
araless 2 years ago
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MasterTerran 2 years ago
sorry,you have no idea,i am very sorry even to waste my time here,have a nice day,novus ordo seclorum
MasterTerran 2 years ago
You have absolutely no evidence, or you do not really care about giving evidence to support your amazing claims. Either way, you should not make such extreme allegations if you're not prepared to defend them logically. I am open to any possibility, but must be convinced. You must not be convinced, or you could effectively convince me.
araless 2 years ago
cuckoo......
technosnob303 2 years ago
Don't listen to this guy, he's a reptilian shape shifter
thunderpants10 2 years ago
Such BS...
Crusading4Truth 2 years ago
this guys a sceptic??....he spends his life searching for et, he works for seti......how does that work. as for aliens just arriving now, how does he know that??? there are many cultures that have stories dating 100 of years about et....there are pictures cave drawings etc......
lumpfish99 2 years ago
Staffing SETI with skeptics is the best way to help assure that if they ever DO find something - it's DAMN serious.
SETI is a scientific endeavor, and skepticism is a fundamental tenet of science. Scientific belief requires proof - anything else is spiritual faith. Faith is not bad! Just keep it in it's place.
So, if they staffed SETI with tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, nobody would take the effort seriously. Not even you. :)
TimTrimT 2 years ago
Hold on - You're missing the point. My point is that Seth says Aliens have NEVER visited earth. His reasoning is a question, "Why now?" What kind of science is that? You can't say they "never" visited earth. In a nutshell, that's what he's saying. You can't prove a negative. I can't say that "No person has EVER stood on their head and sang the theme from 'Cheers' while getting a manicure," and be taken seriously. Especially, if my reasoning is, "Why would someone do it?"
robshaps 2 years ago
Your argument is invalid. He said there's always the possibility.
araless 2 years ago
He says it isn't impossible. Then he snickers & laughs at the notion that our gov't would cover it. Yet in actuality, the Bookings Institution recommended to NASA, the prohibition of disclosure of the existence of
extraterrestrial life. That isn't taken lightly.
Then Seth's outrageous claim that crop circles "are not conveying any information in them." How can he say that? He should have added, "that we know of."
His body language and snickering says that he thinks he knows for certain!
robshaps 2 years ago
If he knew for certain he would close SETI down and forget about it all. Crop circles would be an extremely inefficient way of conveying information (at least to us) and there's earthly methods of making these elaborate designs. It is illogical to jump to the wild and superstitious belief that alien visitors made them if there's no evidence at all to suggest they did. You're right, he should have added "that we know of" but it seems like you should have the common sense to add that yourself.
araless 2 years ago
i understand your point, skepticism is understandable but ridiculing people for their beliefs is another as specially when you are spending your days searching for what you dont believe in.....
lumpfish99 2 years ago
5. His last argument is that we don't have any good reports and that we just need one good report so it would be posted everywhere. Hmm. Has Mr. Shostak been living in bubble? There hundreds of credible accounts, videos, and reports. UFOs have been reported by many credible PILOTS, MILITARY EXPERTS, SCIENTISTS, and ASTRONAUTS!! Even astronauts (such as Gordon Cooper and Buzz Aldrin). Buzz aldrin has confirmed that they saw an object following them during a moon mission.
robshaps 2 years ago
Again, none of these accounts are consistent or verifiable, so they're not credible.
araless 2 years ago
While intriguing, the things you cite sadly only amount to hear-say - fail the test of scientific scrutiny. The speaker meant this when he said "good report".
Regardless most agree:
1. The universe contains other life - it's too damn big not to. That other life has most likely also achieved sentience as we have.
2. Universe's size and age makes the odds of aliens visiting us now very small. No respectable scientist will say it's impossible. Just as there's no proof FOR - also no proof AGAINST.
TimTrimT 2 years ago
What is a good report? Astronauts? They have reports. Presidents? They have reports. Police officers? They have reports. Military experts? They have reports. Airplane pilots? They have reports?
robshaps 2 years ago
I've read all of them. I have several books on U.F.O.'s. First of all, U.F.O.'s are not proof of an alien existence. Secondly, the only credible report is a verifiable one. Everything else is a story.
araless 2 years ago
A credible report is a credible report. To find verifiable evidence for "science," we need to take these reports seriously & investigate. How can we do that w/ the type of snickering and the kind of attitudes shown by people like Seth?
Videos that good analysts have analyzed are not just "stories." So your argument is not realized yet.
The Big Bang is not verifiable yet, but many top scientists talk about it as if it were. That's when science starts doing their own unverifiable claims.
robshaps 2 years ago
You have still not been able to supply me with a link to a video that has been analyzed by an expert and shown to be beyond a doubt legitimate. I've seen many videos, all debunked by experts, or given a more likely earthly explanation. The big bang is a THEORY, just a theory, based on observation and evidence.
araless 2 years ago
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grey167 2 years ago
We know that cats see a very different world than humans. We know that dogs can smell and hear things that humans can't. We know that dolphins have different ways of communicating than humans. We know that all species have different brains than humans. So why do we assume that aliens will think just like us? It's very weird to be so presumptuous when it comes to alien agendas.
robshaps 2 years ago
4. Mr. Shostak's argument that "They don't know about us because our TV signals haven't gotten out in to space" is ridiculous.
Why is SETI obsessed with TV and Radio signals?
Radio signals are one way of communicating. But why do we assume that that is the standard form of communication? Why assume that aliens even want to communicate with such a violent civilization of humans? Why assume that aliens have the same agenda as us?
robshaps 2 years ago
Radio waves are very new in this solar system, and they're the ones that are going to escape into the deep reaches of outer space. In such a vast universe, where the nearest planetary system is millions of light years away, the only way an alien civilization is going to know about our insignifigant planet is if they recieve some signal. The signal he's talking about is radio wave. It will still take many many years before it reaches the next planet system.
araless 2 years ago
Actually, radio waves are what WE have discovered in a little over the last century. Do you think it ends there?
robshaps 2 years ago
Of course it doesn't end there. There's many many different types of waves. However, the only type of wave going into space with information in it is a radio wave.
araless 2 years ago
The only type of wave that we know of.. correct?
robshaps 2 years ago
The only type of wave coming from earth with information from earth that's going out to space with information for other civilizations to detect that I know of is radio waves.
araless 2 years ago
Araless - You say that the only type of wave coming from earth w/ information for civilizations to detect is radio waves. Yet, we are able to detect planets in other solar systems. Scientists are already discovering earth-like planets OUTSIDE our solar system; Right now! W/ our primitive technology. I say primitive b/c we've only had major advances in the last 100 years. If we're detecting earth-like planets, it's feasible that we don't need radio waves to detect intelligence.
robshaps 2 years ago
@robshaps: we detect signs of other planets with light - just another EM wave. Same as radio different frequency. I mean no insult by this but if you study just a little physics, your entry level questions will be answered.
And via QED, we have a very good idea of what other forms of communications are possible, but all verifiable phenomena observe lights' speed limit. So even if exotic unknown information is created from human activity, it's gonna take ages to get anywhere. Big Universe!!
TimTrimT 2 years ago
You just said, "The only type of wave going into space w/ information in it is a radio wave." Really?
Let me clear that up. The only waves carrying information into space that we know of - or are making use of - over the last century are radio waves.
Can you believe how much we have achieved over the last century? Be proud but be humble. We are just getting started.
robshaps 2 years ago
I don't understand what you're getting at. I agree that it's possible that other civilizations are using different technology to convey information. I wasn't arguing that. My argument was this - an alien civilization isn't going to know about our random existence until it recieves some communication: radio waves. Our radio waves still have a LONG way to go to reach the next star system, so presumably no aliens know about us yet, and have not visited us yet.
araless 2 years ago
Araless - We are discovering planets every day w/ our technology. This is new for us. Aliens could not only be discovering planets like us, but they could know there's life on planets without necessarily receiving our radio waves.
Also it is yes, very presumptuous to say aliens "have not visited us yet." W/ all the credible testimonies by pilots, scientists (not ufologists), videos that have not been proven fake, you can't just blow it all off. In court, this would not be thrown out.
robshaps 2 years ago
It is extremely and ridiculously implausible that an alien civilization could have discovered ours, and even more unlikely that they would have taken a HUGE trip over here just to check. It's possible, but not plausible. Also, it is not presumptuous to say aliens have not visited yet. There is a vast amount of videos and reports that cannot all be verified. Just because they've not been proven fake, it does not follow that they must be real. It is circumstantial and wouldn't get the conviction.
araless 2 years ago
Yikes. Hold on. You just made another outrageous claim and said that it's not plausible. It's not? Maybe to you.
Also, look how eager we are here on earth to find alien life.. Yet, you are saying that another civilization wouldn't have taken the HUGE trip? You don't know what kind of technology exists in the BILLIONS of planets that exist. You also don't know any agendas. You also don't know any motivations. Nobody said it was "just to check."
robshaps 2 years ago
It's not at all an outrageous claim. Have you forgotten how vast the universe is? Humans cannot perceive distances as great as the distance to the next star system. It is a mind bogglingly HUGE gap. Can you even fathom a technology that would detect life on the next star system with no communication received from it? In some distant pocket of the universe? And then to set off across BILLIONS of light years to find out if there is indeed intelligent life? Not impossible. Plausible though?! No.
araless 2 years ago
Wow... you said it is "extremely & ridiculously implausible that an alien civilization COULD have discovered ours." But we're discovering planets all the time now...w/ less than 100 years of new technology. We will also know soon - which ones have the conditions for life. That's a HUGE leap in our knowing. So what could we know with 1,000 years of technology?? Exactly! A lot! So, it's so not "extremely and ridiculously implausible." Wow. And you somehow have books about UFOs? Why?
robshaps 2 years ago
Discovering the existence of a planet and knowing that there's an intelligent civilization there are two QUITE different things, I should think. Even if they speculated that this planet would be able to sustain life, to take a gamble and travel and unfathomable distance just to verify their claims seems completely wasteful. I don't know if we'll be around for another 1000 years, but if we are, we may be able to detect other planets, but I doubt we'll be able to reach them.
araless 2 years ago