The numbers tell it all. Evolution is impossible. Besides, where are all the human bones and civilizations from the last million years. Everything seems to begin everywhere right at 3000 BC.
If ur a white person and in ur earlier generations one of ur grandparants were black u are fully possible of having a black baby so i dont see why humans cant have monkey babies.
@WhatSRC Black people and white people are both people. They can have babies. Monkeys are not people. Monkeys and people cannot have babies, not now nor in the past. God made different kinds of creatures. They do not mix now, nor in the past. There are no "blurred" creatures. Not now, nor in the past, nor in the fossils. We did not "evolve" - we were created. All DNA is degenerating now. It has never "evolved". The idea is a lie. Where are you from?
"The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc"
Hitler had zero understanding of evolution and even made it very clear that he was defend himself against the jew in accordance with the will of the creator
@alyosha24601 I've already addressed this, you responded with "I don't doubt it!" Re-read it if you forgot why. Individual w/in generation has ~3 mutations. There've been over 100 billion humans to live in just the past 10,000 years. You're also ignoring the 230k chimp generations. So a total of 383k generations of individuals in constant populations of just a few thousand means billions of mutations. 104 persistent mutations per generation (most of which are not expressed) is almost nothing.
@blastforyou The difference is very small - way less than 1%. 1% of the genome is a huge difference, after all DNA of humans and bananas is 50% similar!
@granddad2002 Well, I know there were no ape men. If there had been, we'd have 2 million years worth of bones, instead, we argue over just a few specimens. Also, we know that DNA is rapidly degenerating today. Thus we can't assume that since we're here, we must have been "ape men" But why? Because humans do not come from apes! (Or, perhaps this question is a clever lead in to a funny joke? Well, I like funny jokes, sure...)
@alyosha24601 No it wouldn't be evolution as a peanut butter jar is a nonliving object. It would also take a million years for it to develop legs. Why didn't god answer that prayer. When I was faithful I asked him to save my grandmother from death and it did not happen. After she almost seemed to be improving, she died.
@demdanglibruls Oh right. Of course. That's a different topic. The reasons God didn't answer: 1) Your stipulation of the answer puts you in control. He won't allow that. 2) He knows you wouldn't follow him even if you saw the miracle, thus only more judgment would result. If you approach him seriously, sincerely, you'll get an answer, but let me now address the prayer for grandmom. That is not just a joke. Thanks for mentioning it.
@demdanglibruls Oh right. Of course. That's a different topic. The reasons God didn't answer: 1) Your stipulation of the answer puts you in control. He won't allow that. 2) He knows you wouldn't follow him even if you saw the miracle, thus only more judgment would result. If you approach him seriously, sincerely, you'll get an answer, but let me now address the prayer for grandmom. That is not just a joke. Thanks for mentioning it.
@demdanglibruls God presents himself as a benevolent king. He does indeed want your allegiance, but he also expects you to trust his decisions and follow. Darwin lost his little daughter, and that's why he became bitter at God, too. Indeed, I've seen some miraculously healed, while others die that could "easily" have been saved. The Bible discusses the difficulty of accepting this, and presents it as an opportunity. He's calling you to let him control the matter - if you can let go, he'll speak.
@demdanglibruls God presents himself as a benevolent king. He does indeed want your allegiance, but he also expects you to trust his decisions and follow. Darwin lost his little daughter, and that's why he became bitter at God, too. Indeed, I've seen some miraculously healed, while others die that could "easily" have been saved. The Bible discusses the difficulty of accepting this, and presents it as an opportunity. He's calling you to let him control the matter - if you can let go, he'll speak.
@demdanglibruls The whole situation is like a prince wooing a girl. He has chosen her and wants her to respond, but he does not want her to do so just because of his royal status. So he hides it. He also cannot force her, so he doesn't use power. He wants her to choose him because she likes HIM. This is how God conducts himself with us, yet he is still in charge of the universe. I encourage you to release your grandmom to God and then just see what he does. His perspective is so different f/ours
@demdanglibruls The whole situation is like a prince wooing a girl. He has chosen her and wants her to respond, but he does not want her to do so just because of his royal status. So he hides it. He also cannot force her, so he doesn't use power. He wants her to choose him because she likes HIM. This is how God conducts himself with us, yet he is still in charge of the universe. I encourage you to release your grandmom to God and then just see what he does. His perspective is so different f/ours
@alyosha24601 Social Darwinism has nothing to do with science, instead it is more like laissez faire capitalism. I do not believe everything came from nothing. How did you conclude that? What first law is that? Explain how those mutations can't work in the theory of evolution. Assuming that because the world is complex, somebody created it is just human psychology, more specifically the clustering illusion. People want to see a mystical pattern behind everything.
@alyosha24601 Social Darwinism has nothing to do with science, instead it is more like laissez faire capitalism. I do not believe everything came from nothing. How did you conclude that? What first law is that? Explain how those mutations can't work in the theory of evolution. Assuming that because the world is complex, somebody created it is just human psychology, more specifically the clustering illusion. People want to see a mystical pattern behind everything.
@alyosha24601 That Chinese "scientist" was working with the discovery institute. I'm not sure how an oppressive government bears any similarity with evolutionary theory. You ate free to believe in the idea that the Earth was formed by a magic man who built humans from dust but you can't label it as science.
@demdanglibruls The oppressive government in question is BUILT on evolutionary theory - I know, I lived there nine years.
And, likewise, you're free to believe the universe in all its complexity came from "nothing" but you can't label it as science either. Nothing comes from nothing, not something. That's the first law: a mathematical fact. So my religion is based on God, your religion is based on "nothing". Really, it's a sad future you have. Why don't you just ask God to show you a miracle?
@alyosha24601 Yes, you are correct. Creationism is a form of religious belief. However, evolutionary theory is not. Evolutionary Theory is based on mountains of evidence. Microevolution leads to macroevolution and speciation (both terms are just creationist invention).
@alyosha24601 In some instances, some creationist scientific articles have been put into journals before, only to be torn apart by scientists who exposed critical flaws in the publication. Is there any known mechanism for how Creationism might work? How are my examples of helpful mutations not evidence? The decrease of information idea is a flawed ambiguous idea refuted by scientists.
@alyosha24601 Your numbers are way off. There are ~40 Mb differences between humans and chimps. Considering 153k human generations and 230k chimpanzee generations (averaged), wherein divergent may mutations occur, that means only 104 persistent mutations per generation are necessary and since every individual caries several unique mutations and there have been ~100billion humans just in the last 10k years, the number of actual mutations is many times higher that even your estimates require.
@Archronis I don't doubt it! In any event, even evolutionists are forced to agree that, looked at in this way, their "only 6% different" is actually mind-boggling! (We're "only 50% 'different' from a banana, after all)
Evolution is a religion which cannot be questioned by its believers - it is not true science.
@alyosha24601 Calling it "mind-boggling" is largely meaningless, as is falsely equating evolution with religion. If you see a lack of skepticism from scientists regarding evolution, it is not due to blind faith, but due to the overwhelming evidence for the existence of evolution and the predictive accuracy of the theory of natural selection. Our understanding of the history of life on Earth grows every day and, thanks to its flexibility, the theory of natural selection grows and changes with it.
@alyosha24601 Also, your assertions ignore natural selection altogether. Most mutations have no immediate phenotypic consequences, a few are deleterious and are eliminated by a failure to survive/procreate, and the very few beneficial mutations are selected-for in the survival of individuals with the mutation. There is no need for multiple identical mutations, due to the founder effect. Epigenetic imprinting (gene methylation) is also a major factor in explaining differences between primates.
@blastforyou Official estimates say that humankind as a species has been around for 200,000 years. The first known cave paintings are from 32,000 years ago. There are probably older instances of human art that have not been discovered yet, but humans have had a lot of time to develop art. Scientists believe many types of apes have developed language systems and tool use. Some chimpanzees, in fact, have already done paintings.
@demdanglibruls Chimps are smart, but they are also VERY different. I know many educators and scientists "believe" in evolution but it is essentially a religious belief. Did you watch this video? The gap is just too great. They know this but frankly, just ignore it. Have a look at my other video "The Degeneration of DNA: Mutation Rates Invalidate "Evolution" " and you should learn enough to totally abandon the evolution myth. Observation reveals extinction & DNA degradation - not evolution.
@alyosha24601 I did watch it. It is in no way a religious belief. That is just psychological projection of you assuming that since you are so deep in your own faith, that everything else is faith too. I already disproved your claim of harmful mutations. Mutation rates differ vastly between different species depending on offspring and several other factors. Dr. John Sanford uses age old flawed creationist arguments to argue his point. He is a YEC so obviously he hates evolution.
@demdanglibruls What flaw? When radiation hits a fruit fly, it produces millions of deleterious mutations. No useful mutation has ever been produced. Look, in chemistry, when a chemical equilibrium is established at a million to one, what do you think will happen to any one molecule produced on the minority side? It's quickly destroyed, that's what. No one is there to rescue it - same with a "beneficial" mutation. No small mutation can be selected out. They are overwhelmed with damage.
@alyosha24601 That is radiation. Lenksi's bacteria, pesticide resistant mosquitoes, nylon eating bacteria, anitibiotic resistant bacteria, peppered moths... All are very helpful mutations to an organism. Explain how they are not helpful.
@demdanglibruls They are helpful, but none represent new information, and none represent mutations. They all represent the loss of information already there. See my three minute video: "Evolution and Antibiotic Resistance ." Human racial groups are also a result of this so-called "micro-evolution". Some genetic material is selected out leaving a creature better adapted to its surroundings. That's why Nigerians have seven times the genetic diversity Swedes do: there has been a loss of information
@demdanglibruls They are helpful, but none represent new information, and none represent mutations. They all represent the loss of information already there. See my three minute video: "Evolution and Antibiotic Resistance ." Human racial groups are also a result of this so-called "micro-evolution". Some genetic material is selected out leaving a creature better adapted to its surroundings. That's why Nigerians have seven times the genetic diversity Swedes do: there has been a loss of information
@alyosha24601 Go to Newton's Binomium: Review of The Mystery of the Genome for more info on refuting his ridiculous arguments. With 3.5 billion years of random mutations, evolution seems VERY possible.
@demdanglibruls What we observe today is extinction, DNA degradation, and increasing mutation. The whole process is going the wrong way today. You are kidding yourself if you think entropy doesn't work over long time periods - it is merely magnified! Thanks for commentary. Which Steve Jones segment should I watch?
@alyosha24601 Steve Jones? When did I bring him up? If DNA is degrading, then why is man here today? Entropy always increases. Order of life is offset by entropy in other areas.
@demdanglibruls I thought your video suggestion was Steve Jones. Why is man here today? Your naturalistic worldview will not allow you to make a correct conclusion, because you have ruled out a solution by definition. Complex information, or even simple information, cannot arise from nothing. We do not observe monkeys typing Shakespeare's sonnets, instead they throw the typewriters. There must be a source for information 1000s of times more intricate than a space shuttle.
@alyosha24601 They are genetic mutations. Explain how they aren't. "Information" in the creationist sense is another non scientific way to try to avoid the topic, similar to the way "micro evolution" is used. Evolution is not built around loss or gain of "information", but is built on natural selection and survival of the fittest, and random mutations. Eventually, under the right conditions, a chimpanzee could evolve into a very intelligent creature much like a human.
@demdanglibruls Micro-evolution (a deceiving term used by evolutionists to explain adaptation) occurs after a loss of information, not a gain of it. In fact, no one has ever observed a gain of information, only loss or mutation. Natural selection removes the worst 3% of mutations, but the tiny 97% cannot be selected out. They are either connected to vital genes or initially unnoticed & accumulating. This is what we observe today - not some fanciful increase in entropy violating the second law.
@alyosha24601 DNA is indeed very complex. The complex DNA we see today is a result of 3.5 billion years of evolution. Many creationists get the concept of genetic information mixed up with their convoluted idea of "information." The term is ambiguous and is simply used as a red herring by creationists. Gene duplication mutations increase "information" in this sense. Evolution is not a religion. Is gravity a religion? What about cell theory?
@alyosha24601 Information in genetics is not the same as creationist "information". Man is here today because his ancestors have been constantly evolving from simpler organisms.
@demdanglibruls It is the same. DNA is a ***digital*** code. It's a language. It possesses stop commands, repeat sequences, on/off orders, cancellation and checking mechanisms. It can even error-correct and reproduce. It's complex - REALLY complex! And the proteins that it produces cannot work unless they are ALL there and 100% intact. Man still, in 2011, can't even come close to producing something like this. You say this is not information? I think you need a new religion partner.
@alyosha24601 In biology the term information is used with two very different meanings. The first is in reference to the fact that the sequence of bases in DNA codes for the sequence of amino acids in proteins. In this restricted sense, DNA contains information, namely about the primary structure of proteins. The second use of the term information is an extrapolation: it signifies the belief or expectation that the genome somehow also codes for the higher or more
@alyosha24601 Icomplex properties of living things. It is clear that the second type of information, if it exists, must be very different from the simple one-to-one cryptography of the genetic code. This extrapolation is based, loosely, on information theory. But to apply information theory in a proper and useful way it is necessary to identify the manner in which information is to be measured
@alyosha24601 (the units in which it is to be expressed in both sender and receiver, and the total amount of information in the system and in a message), and it is necessary to identify the sender, the receiver and the information channel (or means by which information is transmitted). As it is, there exists no generally accepted method for measuring the amount of information in a biological system, nor even agreement of what the units of information are (atoms, molecules, cells?)
@demdanglibruls Evolutionists will not publish creationists' papers. It doesn't matter how many PhDs you have or how obvious the science is. To argue for creation is career death. Why? Because it's a religion with a naturalistic worldview that cannot be questioned. One Chinese scientist said, "In China you can criticize Darwin but not the govt, in America you can criticize the govt but not Darwin" He was quite accurate. It's not a level playing field - don't consider the publications neutral.
@demdanglibruls Evolutionists will not publish creationists' papers. It doesn't matter how many PhDs you have or how obvious the science is. To argue for creation is career death. Why? Because it's a religion with a naturalistic worldview that cannot be questioned. One Chinese scientist said, "In China you can criticize Darwin but not the govt, in America you can criticize the govt but not Darwin" He was quite accurate. It's not a level playing field - don't consider the publications neutral.
@alyosha24601 The whole "genetic entropy" idea is pretty idiotic. It is based on a paper of two scientists who mistakenly found that DNA degrades over time and leads to extinction in a few generations. This is very flawed, as obviously we are still here.
@demdanglibruls You almost seem to be implying that humans have had longer to develop art,music,science and it is the ape that have had the longer period. I won't be impressed with chimp art if they are prompted by humans to" play art" but I will be impressed with if a group of wild chimps has a art gallery and yes animals do communicate that is true but any scientific article I've seen doesnt' seem to atribute much to apes brains ability to much of any deep thought other than pain, hurt,hunger
@blastforyou They have language centers in their brains, as well as empathy, laughter, and complex social systems. Small genetic differences can mean a lot.
@demdanglibruls But there are not small differences, didn't you hear the numbers? They are huge! Sure, chimps are smart, but they are not proto-humans. They are totally distinct. I learned a new fact this week: attempted examples of ape ancestors are about non-existent. Why? Any old hominid bone is co-opted in more attempts to bolster human evolution. (Truth is, had mammals really evolved there'd be bones all over the planet. 2 million years of bones! We'd be buried in them!)
@alyosha24601 There are many transitional forms. Look them up. Most bones are broken down by natural processes, so there would not be huge masses of bones.
@demdanglibruls That is what the high school textbooks books say, but not what the scientists say. The director of the British Museum of Natural Science (the largest fossil collection in the world) was quoted a few years ago as saying he was not aware of a single transitional fossil. I'll find the exact quote for you if you're actually open to questioning evolution. The embarrassing lack of transitional fossils is the very reason the scientific field of taxonomy even exists!
@thegiftworld Time isn't man made, it does actually have a scientific/mathematical definition. What isn't real is "now". Physicists can't seem to find any mathematical justification for "now".
If you have any questions about the Bible from "Mr. Con-man", please send them to me!
@thegiftworld Well, if it's any comfort to you - you're right! I sure know I'm evil. Even when I don't want to be I'm selfish. Every thought I have is about me! I hate it, but it's how I am.// Look up "false profit"? If I did you would accuse me of being a grammar Nazi ! // You are right again in that it is natural to assume no one knows. I believe the Bible speaks with authority here however because it has a track record of fulfilled prophecy, a quality that ensures its author was outside time.
@thegiftworld You're funny. Lots of folks want to paint God as evil so they can see themselves as "good". But, with no religion what logical reason would an atheist have in doing anything good, except to impress others? Ask some of Stalin/Pol Pot/Kim Il Sung/Mao/Napoleon/Robespierre's victims how atheism produced "a better place". No, you're kidding yourself. ALL people are self-serving and "wicked", if you will. When you remove God, things get even worse. Thanks for commentary.
@thegiftworld Actually it's the government buildings that are the most expensive! They are not built through donations you know. Secondly, I wish you were right, as my church meets in tin portables. Thirdly, let me encourage you to think/read these issues through. I know just about everybody mocks Christianity/the Bible and ignores God - just make sure there is good reason for it. If it turns out you are merely deceiving yourself, you will be the loser, not all the others. Thanks for commenting.
@mike020682 I could have, sure. You don't need the Bible to discount evolution. But I think the biblical text labeling evolution as "science falsely so called" was a great quote. Evolution is actually "scientism" - a religion cloaked in the language of science, which is actually disproved by science. It's amazing so many people still believe in this hopeless 19th century guess. (See my other videos) Thanks for commenting.
@alyosha24601 Dont drag the WHOLE of science into this with the term "scientism" The scientific method has bought a whole lot of great stuff right? I believe the scientific method still has a lot to offer. You probably know this but: The thing about the scientific method is that it is "peer reviewed" in other words lots of other people review a theory or experiment and and decide if it is prooven. So your statement that science has disproven evoloution isn't entirely correct is it.
@estragon9 Good science is based on observation and experimentation, so by definition it can not explain our origin which was a one time event. It does prove that we are not "millions of years old". Logic dictates that a complex creation requires a creator. You may pick aliens, Allah, or Thor, but I pick Jesus based on the unique features of the Bible: a web of sevens, secret messages under the text, a numeric structure, accurate science, and especially - fulfilled predictions.Thanks for comment
@alexandereno says: "i'd rather pick the 0,1% of evolution happening than bible" That's your choice but don't pretend evolution is based on science. Evolution is a religion. (By the way, 0.1% is a vast overestimate. No one has yet observed a single beneficial mutation - not one out of billions of attempts.) Thank you for commenting.
@Papposilenos "what the fuck did i just listen to..."You heard some science you'll never hear in school because it's forbidden to teach it. Go back to some music and try not to think about it. This could keep you up at night!
This vid is refreshing. Thanks for the upload! :)
Bob12345678910423 5 days ago
The numbers tell it all. Evolution is impossible. Besides, where are all the human bones and civilizations from the last million years. Everything seems to begin everywhere right at 3000 BC.
pinkfuzzyhousecoat 1 week ago
We can impossibly come from apes.
If ur a white person and in ur earlier generations one of ur grandparants were black u are fully possible of having a black baby so i dont see why humans cant have monkey babies.
True story
WhatSRC 3 weeks ago
@WhatSRC Black people and white people are both people. They can have babies. Monkeys are not people. Monkeys and people cannot have babies, not now nor in the past. God made different kinds of creatures. They do not mix now, nor in the past. There are no "blurred" creatures. Not now, nor in the past, nor in the fossils. We did not "evolve" - we were created. All DNA is degenerating now. It has never "evolved". The idea is a lie. Where are you from?
alyosha24601 3 weeks ago
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@alyosha24601 Evolution is specifically about the *divergence* (that means splitting for you challenged folks) of species, not a combining.
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mykovn 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 'Hitler the evolutionist'
"The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc"
Hitler had zero understanding of evolution and even made it very clear that he was defend himself against the jew in accordance with the will of the creator
TheScienceFoundation 3 months ago
@alyosha24601 I've already addressed this, you responded with "I don't doubt it!" Re-read it if you forgot why. Individual w/in generation has ~3 mutations. There've been over 100 billion humans to live in just the past 10,000 years. You're also ignoring the 230k chimp generations. So a total of 383k generations of individuals in constant populations of just a few thousand means billions of mutations. 104 persistent mutations per generation (most of which are not expressed) is almost nothing.
Archronis 5 months ago
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Archronis 5 months ago
@blastforyou The difference is very small - way less than 1%. 1% of the genome is a huge difference, after all DNA of humans and bananas is 50% similar!
alyosha24601 5 months ago
Besides incredulity, why were there no ape men?
granddad2002 5 months ago
@granddad2002 Well, I know there were no ape men. If there had been, we'd have 2 million years worth of bones, instead, we argue over just a few specimens. Also, we know that DNA is rapidly degenerating today. Thus we can't assume that since we're here, we must have been "ape men" But why? Because humans do not come from apes! (Or, perhaps this question is a clever lead in to a funny joke? Well, I like funny jokes, sure...)
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 No it wouldn't be evolution as a peanut butter jar is a nonliving object. It would also take a million years for it to develop legs. Why didn't god answer that prayer. When I was faithful I asked him to save my grandmother from death and it did not happen. After she almost seemed to be improving, she died.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls Oh right. Of course. That's a different topic. The reasons God didn't answer: 1) Your stipulation of the answer puts you in control. He won't allow that. 2) He knows you wouldn't follow him even if you saw the miracle, thus only more judgment would result. If you approach him seriously, sincerely, you'll get an answer, but let me now address the prayer for grandmom. That is not just a joke. Thanks for mentioning it.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls Oh right. Of course. That's a different topic. The reasons God didn't answer: 1) Your stipulation of the answer puts you in control. He won't allow that. 2) He knows you wouldn't follow him even if you saw the miracle, thus only more judgment would result. If you approach him seriously, sincerely, you'll get an answer, but let me now address the prayer for grandmom. That is not just a joke. Thanks for mentioning it.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls God presents himself as a benevolent king. He does indeed want your allegiance, but he also expects you to trust his decisions and follow. Darwin lost his little daughter, and that's why he became bitter at God, too. Indeed, I've seen some miraculously healed, while others die that could "easily" have been saved. The Bible discusses the difficulty of accepting this, and presents it as an opportunity. He's calling you to let him control the matter - if you can let go, he'll speak.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls God presents himself as a benevolent king. He does indeed want your allegiance, but he also expects you to trust his decisions and follow. Darwin lost his little daughter, and that's why he became bitter at God, too. Indeed, I've seen some miraculously healed, while others die that could "easily" have been saved. The Bible discusses the difficulty of accepting this, and presents it as an opportunity. He's calling you to let him control the matter - if you can let go, he'll speak.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls The whole situation is like a prince wooing a girl. He has chosen her and wants her to respond, but he does not want her to do so just because of his royal status. So he hides it. He also cannot force her, so he doesn't use power. He wants her to choose him because she likes HIM. This is how God conducts himself with us, yet he is still in charge of the universe. I encourage you to release your grandmom to God and then just see what he does. His perspective is so different f/ours
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls The whole situation is like a prince wooing a girl. He has chosen her and wants her to respond, but he does not want her to do so just because of his royal status. So he hides it. He also cannot force her, so he doesn't use power. He wants her to choose him because she likes HIM. This is how God conducts himself with us, yet he is still in charge of the universe. I encourage you to release your grandmom to God and then just see what he does. His perspective is so different f/ours
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 I asked god to make my peanut butter grow legs and run to me. No miracles yet. I'll keep you posted.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls Well, I should have included a caveat because I know God will not answer this request. That would be "evolution" wouldn't it?!
(I've seen five or six miracles in my life, by the way. I think lots of folks have.)
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 Social Darwinism has nothing to do with science, instead it is more like laissez faire capitalism. I do not believe everything came from nothing. How did you conclude that? What first law is that? Explain how those mutations can't work in the theory of evolution. Assuming that because the world is complex, somebody created it is just human psychology, more specifically the clustering illusion. People want to see a mystical pattern behind everything.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 Social Darwinism has nothing to do with science, instead it is more like laissez faire capitalism. I do not believe everything came from nothing. How did you conclude that? What first law is that? Explain how those mutations can't work in the theory of evolution. Assuming that because the world is complex, somebody created it is just human psychology, more specifically the clustering illusion. People want to see a mystical pattern behind everything.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 That Chinese "scientist" was working with the discovery institute. I'm not sure how an oppressive government bears any similarity with evolutionary theory. You ate free to believe in the idea that the Earth was formed by a magic man who built humans from dust but you can't label it as science.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls The oppressive government in question is BUILT on evolutionary theory - I know, I lived there nine years.
And, likewise, you're free to believe the universe in all its complexity came from "nothing" but you can't label it as science either. Nothing comes from nothing, not something. That's the first law: a mathematical fact. So my religion is based on God, your religion is based on "nothing". Really, it's a sad future you have. Why don't you just ask God to show you a miracle?
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 Yes, you are correct. Creationism is a form of religious belief. However, evolutionary theory is not. Evolutionary Theory is based on mountains of evidence. Microevolution leads to macroevolution and speciation (both terms are just creationist invention).
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 In some instances, some creationist scientific articles have been put into journals before, only to be torn apart by scientists who exposed critical flaws in the publication. Is there any known mechanism for how Creationism might work? How are my examples of helpful mutations not evidence? The decrease of information idea is a flawed ambiguous idea refuted by scientists.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 Your numbers are way off. There are ~40 Mb differences between humans and chimps. Considering 153k human generations and 230k chimpanzee generations (averaged), wherein divergent may mutations occur, that means only 104 persistent mutations per generation are necessary and since every individual caries several unique mutations and there have been ~100billion humans just in the last 10k years, the number of actual mutations is many times higher that even your estimates require.
Archronis 5 months ago
@Archronis I don't doubt it! In any event, even evolutionists are forced to agree that, looked at in this way, their "only 6% different" is actually mind-boggling! (We're "only 50% 'different' from a banana, after all)
Evolution is a religion which cannot be questioned by its believers - it is not true science.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 Calling it "mind-boggling" is largely meaningless, as is falsely equating evolution with religion. If you see a lack of skepticism from scientists regarding evolution, it is not due to blind faith, but due to the overwhelming evidence for the existence of evolution and the predictive accuracy of the theory of natural selection. Our understanding of the history of life on Earth grows every day and, thanks to its flexibility, the theory of natural selection grows and changes with it.
Archronis 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 Also, your assertions ignore natural selection altogether. Most mutations have no immediate phenotypic consequences, a few are deleterious and are eliminated by a failure to survive/procreate, and the very few beneficial mutations are selected-for in the survival of individuals with the mutation. There is no need for multiple identical mutations, due to the founder effect. Epigenetic imprinting (gene methylation) is also a major factor in explaining differences between primates.
Archronis 5 months ago
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Archronis 5 months ago
@blastforyou Official estimates say that humankind as a species has been around for 200,000 years. The first known cave paintings are from 32,000 years ago. There are probably older instances of human art that have not been discovered yet, but humans have had a lot of time to develop art. Scientists believe many types of apes have developed language systems and tool use. Some chimpanzees, in fact, have already done paintings.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls Chimps are smart, but they are also VERY different. I know many educators and scientists "believe" in evolution but it is essentially a religious belief. Did you watch this video? The gap is just too great. They know this but frankly, just ignore it. Have a look at my other video "The Degeneration of DNA: Mutation Rates Invalidate "Evolution" " and you should learn enough to totally abandon the evolution myth. Observation reveals extinction & DNA degradation - not evolution.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 I did watch it. It is in no way a religious belief. That is just psychological projection of you assuming that since you are so deep in your own faith, that everything else is faith too. I already disproved your claim of harmful mutations. Mutation rates differ vastly between different species depending on offspring and several other factors. Dr. John Sanford uses age old flawed creationist arguments to argue his point. He is a YEC so obviously he hates evolution.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls What flaw? When radiation hits a fruit fly, it produces millions of deleterious mutations. No useful mutation has ever been produced. Look, in chemistry, when a chemical equilibrium is established at a million to one, what do you think will happen to any one molecule produced on the minority side? It's quickly destroyed, that's what. No one is there to rescue it - same with a "beneficial" mutation. No small mutation can be selected out. They are overwhelmed with damage.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 That is radiation. Lenksi's bacteria, pesticide resistant mosquitoes, nylon eating bacteria, anitibiotic resistant bacteria, peppered moths... All are very helpful mutations to an organism. Explain how they are not helpful.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls They are helpful, but none represent new information, and none represent mutations. They all represent the loss of information already there. See my three minute video: "Evolution and Antibiotic Resistance ." Human racial groups are also a result of this so-called "micro-evolution". Some genetic material is selected out leaving a creature better adapted to its surroundings. That's why Nigerians have seven times the genetic diversity Swedes do: there has been a loss of information
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls They are helpful, but none represent new information, and none represent mutations. They all represent the loss of information already there. See my three minute video: "Evolution and Antibiotic Resistance ." Human racial groups are also a result of this so-called "micro-evolution". Some genetic material is selected out leaving a creature better adapted to its surroundings. That's why Nigerians have seven times the genetic diversity Swedes do: there has been a loss of information
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 Go to Newton's Binomium: Review of The Mystery of the Genome for more info on refuting his ridiculous arguments. With 3.5 billion years of random mutations, evolution seems VERY possible.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls So, are you talking about a Youtube video with Steve Jones?
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls What we observe today is extinction, DNA degradation, and increasing mutation. The whole process is going the wrong way today. You are kidding yourself if you think entropy doesn't work over long time periods - it is merely magnified! Thanks for commentary. Which Steve Jones segment should I watch?
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 Steve Jones? When did I bring him up? If DNA is degrading, then why is man here today? Entropy always increases. Order of life is offset by entropy in other areas.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls I thought your video suggestion was Steve Jones. Why is man here today? Your naturalistic worldview will not allow you to make a correct conclusion, because you have ruled out a solution by definition. Complex information, or even simple information, cannot arise from nothing. We do not observe monkeys typing Shakespeare's sonnets, instead they throw the typewriters. There must be a source for information 1000s of times more intricate than a space shuttle.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 They are genetic mutations. Explain how they aren't. "Information" in the creationist sense is another non scientific way to try to avoid the topic, similar to the way "micro evolution" is used. Evolution is not built around loss or gain of "information", but is built on natural selection and survival of the fittest, and random mutations. Eventually, under the right conditions, a chimpanzee could evolve into a very intelligent creature much like a human.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls Micro-evolution (a deceiving term used by evolutionists to explain adaptation) occurs after a loss of information, not a gain of it. In fact, no one has ever observed a gain of information, only loss or mutation. Natural selection removes the worst 3% of mutations, but the tiny 97% cannot be selected out. They are either connected to vital genes or initially unnoticed & accumulating. This is what we observe today - not some fanciful increase in entropy violating the second law.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 DNA is indeed very complex. The complex DNA we see today is a result of 3.5 billion years of evolution. Many creationists get the concept of genetic information mixed up with their convoluted idea of "information." The term is ambiguous and is simply used as a red herring by creationists. Gene duplication mutations increase "information" in this sense. Evolution is not a religion. Is gravity a religion? What about cell theory?
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 Information in genetics is not the same as creationist "information". Man is here today because his ancestors have been constantly evolving from simpler organisms.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls It is the same. DNA is a ***digital*** code. It's a language. It possesses stop commands, repeat sequences, on/off orders, cancellation and checking mechanisms. It can even error-correct and reproduce. It's complex - REALLY complex! And the proteins that it produces cannot work unless they are ALL there and 100% intact. Man still, in 2011, can't even come close to producing something like this. You say this is not information? I think you need a new religion partner.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 In biology the term information is used with two very different meanings. The first is in reference to the fact that the sequence of bases in DNA codes for the sequence of amino acids in proteins. In this restricted sense, DNA contains information, namely about the primary structure of proteins. The second use of the term information is an extrapolation: it signifies the belief or expectation that the genome somehow also codes for the higher or more
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 Icomplex properties of living things. It is clear that the second type of information, if it exists, must be very different from the simple one-to-one cryptography of the genetic code. This extrapolation is based, loosely, on information theory. But to apply information theory in a proper and useful way it is necessary to identify the manner in which information is to be measured
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 (the units in which it is to be expressed in both sender and receiver, and the total amount of information in the system and in a message), and it is necessary to identify the sender, the receiver and the information channel (or means by which information is transmitted). As it is, there exists no generally accepted method for measuring the amount of information in a biological system, nor even agreement of what the units of information are (atoms, molecules, cells?)
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@alyosha24601and how to encode information about their number, their diversity, and their arrangement in space and time.
That is from bioessays, a very respectable scientific journal. I would like to see citations from respectable sources accepting creationism.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls Evolutionists will not publish creationists' papers. It doesn't matter how many PhDs you have or how obvious the science is. To argue for creation is career death. Why? Because it's a religion with a naturalistic worldview that cannot be questioned. One Chinese scientist said, "In China you can criticize Darwin but not the govt, in America you can criticize the govt but not Darwin" He was quite accurate. It's not a level playing field - don't consider the publications neutral.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls Evolutionists will not publish creationists' papers. It doesn't matter how many PhDs you have or how obvious the science is. To argue for creation is career death. Why? Because it's a religion with a naturalistic worldview that cannot be questioned. One Chinese scientist said, "In China you can criticize Darwin but not the govt, in America you can criticize the govt but not Darwin" He was quite accurate. It's not a level playing field - don't consider the publications neutral.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 The whole "genetic entropy" idea is pretty idiotic. It is based on a paper of two scientists who mistakenly found that DNA degrades over time and leads to extinction in a few generations. This is very flawed, as obviously we are still here.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls You almost seem to be implying that humans have had longer to develop art,music,science and it is the ape that have had the longer period. I won't be impressed with chimp art if they are prompted by humans to" play art" but I will be impressed with if a group of wild chimps has a art gallery and yes animals do communicate that is true but any scientific article I've seen doesnt' seem to atribute much to apes brains ability to much of any deep thought other than pain, hurt,hunger
blastforyou 5 months ago
@blastforyou They have language centers in their brains, as well as empathy, laughter, and complex social systems. Small genetic differences can mean a lot.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls But there are not small differences, didn't you hear the numbers? They are huge! Sure, chimps are smart, but they are not proto-humans. They are totally distinct. I learned a new fact this week: attempted examples of ape ancestors are about non-existent. Why? Any old hominid bone is co-opted in more attempts to bolster human evolution. (Truth is, had mammals really evolved there'd be bones all over the planet. 2 million years of bones! We'd be buried in them!)
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 There are many transitional forms. Look them up. Most bones are broken down by natural processes, so there would not be huge masses of bones.
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@demdanglibruls That is what the high school textbooks books say, but not what the scientists say. The director of the British Museum of Natural Science (the largest fossil collection in the world) was quoted a few years ago as saying he was not aware of a single transitional fossil. I'll find the exact quote for you if you're actually open to questioning evolution. The embarrassing lack of transitional fossils is the very reason the scientific field of taxonomy even exists!
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@thegiftworld Time isn't man made, it does actually have a scientific/mathematical definition. What isn't real is "now". Physicists can't seem to find any mathematical justification for "now".
If you have any questions about the Bible from "Mr. Con-man", please send them to me!
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@alyosha24601 "no one has ever documented a single helpful mutation"
Lenski's Bacteria. Peppered moths. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Nylon eating bacteria. Pesticide resistant mosquitoes.
Are you too closed minded to see these "helpful" mutations?
demdanglibruls 5 months ago
@thegiftworld Well, if it's any comfort to you - you're right! I sure know I'm evil. Even when I don't want to be I'm selfish. Every thought I have is about me! I hate it, but it's how I am.// Look up "false profit"? If I did you would accuse me of being a grammar Nazi ! // You are right again in that it is natural to assume no one knows. I believe the Bible speaks with authority here however because it has a track record of fulfilled prophecy, a quality that ensures its author was outside time.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@thegiftworld You're funny. Lots of folks want to paint God as evil so they can see themselves as "good". But, with no religion what logical reason would an atheist have in doing anything good, except to impress others? Ask some of Stalin/Pol Pot/Kim Il Sung/Mao/Napoleon/Robespierre's victims how atheism produced "a better place". No, you're kidding yourself. ALL people are self-serving and "wicked", if you will. When you remove God, things get even worse. Thanks for commentary.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
@thegiftworld Actually it's the government buildings that are the most expensive! They are not built through donations you know. Secondly, I wish you were right, as my church meets in tin portables. Thirdly, let me encourage you to think/read these issues through. I know just about everybody mocks Christianity/the Bible and ignores God - just make sure there is good reason for it. If it turns out you are merely deceiving yourself, you will be the loser, not all the others. Thanks for commenting.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
Man, if you want to make it about science, why not leave the bible out of it?
mike020682 5 months ago
@mike020682 I could have, sure. You don't need the Bible to discount evolution. But I think the biblical text labeling evolution as "science falsely so called" was a great quote. Evolution is actually "scientism" - a religion cloaked in the language of science, which is actually disproved by science. It's amazing so many people still believe in this hopeless 19th century guess. (See my other videos) Thanks for commenting.
alyosha24601 5 months ago 2
@alyosha24601 Dont drag the WHOLE of science into this with the term "scientism" The scientific method has bought a whole lot of great stuff right? I believe the scientific method still has a lot to offer. You probably know this but: The thing about the scientific method is that it is "peer reviewed" in other words lots of other people review a theory or experiment and and decide if it is prooven. So your statement that science has disproven evoloution isn't entirely correct is it.
mike020682 5 months ago
So what science explains our present form? We know we haven't been around that long.
estragon9 5 months ago
@estragon9 Good science is based on observation and experimentation, so by definition it can not explain our origin which was a one time event. It does prove that we are not "millions of years old". Logic dictates that a complex creation requires a creator. You may pick aliens, Allah, or Thor, but I pick Jesus based on the unique features of the Bible: a web of sevens, secret messages under the text, a numeric structure, accurate science, and especially - fulfilled predictions.Thanks for comment
alyosha24601 5 months ago
i'd rather pick the 0,1% of evolution happening than bible
alexandereno 5 months ago
@alexandereno says: "i'd rather pick the 0,1% of evolution happening than bible" That's your choice but don't pretend evolution is based on science. Evolution is a religion. (By the way, 0.1% is a vast overestimate. No one has yet observed a single beneficial mutation - not one out of billions of attempts.) Thank you for commenting.
alyosha24601 5 months ago
what the fuck did i just listen to...
Papposilenos 6 months ago
@Papposilenos "what the fuck did i just listen to..."You heard some science you'll never hear in school because it's forbidden to teach it. Go back to some music and try not to think about it. This could keep you up at night!
alyosha24601 6 months ago