We ran a youth project which was funded by the government to take kids on outdoor adventure and skill building exercises. We made it free to attend, not one kid showed which worked out great for us because we just sat and drank beer and ate all the food lol. But when we charged £10 to go, everyone showed up. If you pay for something you end up having a responsibility to go, an incentive. Sad but true.
Look I think the goverment should help with education because it gives the poor people an oppurtunity to propser and have a chance to move up in life. Many argue that they could get loans or scholarships but there is so many varibles that people dont consider, many ethical questions that people dont care for. There is somany situautions that the working class or higher classes can not comprehend because they HAVE money. I dont think people understand the concept of P-O-O-R.
Everyone should be allowed free education up to the age of 18. Universities should be charged though. A plumber doesn't get free education so why should a person who's going to university?
If you pay for someone's else education, good for you. But don't force it on others! when you do that, you create a distortion in prices and the market system. At the end, people need to realize that education is just another service in the economy, don't expect the government to pay it just as you don't expect it to pay for your haircuts.
People have to realize that its not just the price tag of education that needs to be assessed, its the quality of education as well. There are many school around the U.S. that have hefty price tags and low post secondary turnover rates. Just because a school has a high applicant number you have to look at drop out rates, job ready students (post grad) etc. This is probably the largest issue in the U.S. aside from the debt crisis.
If you got good grades then you shouldn't have a problem getting scholarships. That's the point of scholarships. Giving money to those who work hard but can't finance their own education. If our economy was stronger then college would be a lot cheaper and loans wouldn't be so hard to pay back.
I like Ron Paul for his integrity, but he seems quite dogmatic on some issues.
Here in Finland not only education in state universities is free, but students get paid to study. Seems to work just fine. Link here: tinyurl(dot)com/3atktbv
It's simply a good investment for any country that can afford it. The most talented and motivated people rise on top, not the ones who had more money to begin with.
@lasoogneypubes Europe has proven that a government-funded education system can work. In order to enhance social mobility, a cheap or free education is necessary. It is also extremely beneficial for the economy and for society as a whole if people are better educated.
The self-development of individuals is a right, and education is needed for that.
@Jeroentk12 Well i am from the Europe so i think i can speak with some authority. The last government made universities free here. All that happened was loads of people went and got pointless degrees and didn't take their education seriously. Now we have a situation where degrees are almost meaningless as everyone has them, and the tax payers were paying for this. Thankfully the current gov has upped the fees, so now people are thinking about whether it's worth getting a degree or not.
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I agree that Paul's model would probably work in the long run, but for now we would still need a program to help students. If all federal aid is suddenly taken away, colleges will not change immediatly. Also, there are not any summer jobs to do anymore, because we have no manufacturing that people used to go to do in summer in 1950s and 60s. But i still agree that Paul has the best long-term model.
Education isn't a right. Medical care isn't a right. Because they're things someone has to pay for. Furthermore, you'd have to ask: "What type/quality of education?" So Ron Paul is correct. Nobody should be forced to pay for others with their own assets. Trust me, I'm not just saying that. I was born in Communist China.
@TheSilviepie Exactly. And what people don't realize is that ALL of the money the government has is also OUR money. So it's not fair to take money from taxpayers to give to other taxpayers.
Get the government (the middle man) out of as many things as possible. Legalize freedom again, and let the free market increase choices/competition and drive prices down.
Education isn't a right. If it were, I wouldn't be paying 50k a year for it. That said, get rid of federal funding for post-secondary school education and what do you get: more competition to receive BETTER, CHEAPER education AND more competition in industry = thriving economy.
Quality isn't free, and there's a big difference between reasonable price and impossible to pay. I'd rather work for three months than to get in debt for 20 years.
In a society like this I think free Education and Healthcare is essential. Capitalism is an unstable system and is unfair in its very nature. The poorest people deserve a good start in life and the same health treatment as any other person. Ron Paul says we dont have the right to take from others but people have the responsibility... the moral responsibility to give them that right.
For all opposed: Keep in mind that no one, incuding RP, is willing to eliminate programs tomorrow. These necessary actions will take time. Weaning ourselves slowly off of the programs until we are restored to a constitutional republic. No one is advocating any "shocks" to the system.
Has it ever dawned on Ron Paul that since he always talks about how the federal Civil Rights Act, labor laws, health care, etc. as being unconstitutional. Don't you think that maybe we should urgently amend our constitution to permit those things. I mean, don't you wish those things were constitutional?
I believe healthcare and education are the only two major rights of human beings if you have an education you can contribute better to society and the economy and if you have healthcare your healthier at least to continue working and contribute to society and your own future... With this part I dont agree with RP sorry!!!
You're a sick bastard, Ron Paul. A child without the financial means is being denied a college education? So, what than? Only the middle/upper class get college educations?
I absolutely hate how he makes it sound like students are shaking down taxpayers for money. America isn't burning money away on students; it is investing in its future and its future citizens and leaders.
@AgApE010 When you claim a "right" to an education, you are saying that you have the right to violate the rights of others - in short, THEIR right not to be forced to teach you without compensation.
There are no valid rights that force others to provide a free service to you.
Who said anything about free? Teachers and professors are still paid. The only difference is that the government pays for the students who don't have the financial means for attending college.
And no, this isn't students ''stealing'' from taxpayers. I can't tell you what a despicable thing that is for some people to say. That is America investing in its future. Education is the key to the future and to a better America.
@AgApE010 I'm not buying it. If somebody wants an education, the person receiving it is the one who needs to pay for it, either through working or a student loan.
You also overlook the fact that most students have little or no credit. Private lenders won't fork over tens of thousands of dollars to such students with little or no payment back for 4+ years.
I mean, come on. It's not like the government hasn't thought of all these things before introducing government loans.
If you get the government out of giving money to people who want to go to college, universities and colleges will have to lower prices because people won't be able to go to the government to borrow money to pay their disgustingly high rates.After that, prices will be low enough for non-wealthy people to afford.
Government has good intentions when it loans students money for school, but it sadly backfires and hurts the students more than anyone, while benefiting the colleges.
Yes, so let us just wait for years and years until universities decide to lower tuition (if they ever do at all).
There's a better plan: Tell the universities to lower tuition or federal aid is reduced (not totally done away with as Ron Paul wants).
It does not hurt the students. Currently, government grants are taking care of my tuition. Believe me, I am not hurt. I am able to get an education to contribute to society later in life.
That shouldn't be put in place permanently, but it should be done for a time while gradually putting an end to federal student loans from the government. If you just keep adding market distortions from the government to patch up problems caused by older distortions, you'll just be fighting fire with fire and will end up with a bigger problem every time.
There are always side effects from government action, and they're often worse than the original problem they try to fix.
I love Ron Paul, I think he's the closest figure to the truest meaning of the statesman among all the modern politicians, but this is the exact reason why he'll have endless amount of my respect but never my vote.
how do you EARN medical care and an education then? EARN? really, then We need to CLOSE ALL HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS because no one is EARNING THEIR RIGHTS! wow, just a re-quote, now I will have hate mail for the ignorance that is QUOTING RON PAUL! lol
It's very simple, you pay for it the old fashion way like I do. Get a job. I differ the tuition payments and pay a 25 dollar fee to do so. Then I work a full time job to cover my expenses. I have very little free time, but if that's what it takes for me to get ahead then so be it.
Why should the government hand it out for you at the expense of the taxpayer? If you aren't willing to work for it then you don't deserve to get an education. Its hard, its supposed to be. that's the point.
Not sure I really like this guys feign 'liberterian' angle on education. sounds suspiciously like he wants people to 'earn' their education, which certainly suits the inherently wealthy and upper classes - to further the reach of college from those who already struggle to obtain entrance. Seems backward, elitist and seethes of contempt for giving the little guy a helping hand. I do not like this character, i really do not.
Why does he stop there? Fire, police and rescue services are not rights. Paved roads are not rights. A public K-12 education is not a right. Postal service is not a right. Heck, human rights aren't actually rights, they are just expected. Geesh! What a "let them eat cake" mentality! Yes, some things may not be inherent rights, but the point is that we want to pool our resources to some degree for safety, health and welfare. Personally, I want to live in an educated citizenry w/all of the above.
@baystategal have you never read the constitution? postal service is a right, roads are rights. Fire, police, and rescue services are stuff that you pay for to protect your life.
Paul's right. You got good grades and want to go to college but can't afford it? Apply for a scholarship or take out a student loan from a private loan provider.
The government lending large amounts of money without a second thought to anyone who asks for it simply because it's for "education" only results in colleges and universities charging as much as they want, because they know they'll get it, from the taxpayer's pockets, no less. Meanwhile, students get stuck with huge debt...
@Tezcatlepocatl Well put. The rate at which scholarships and loans are made available is what is continuously driving up the price of higher education, and the students are getting the short end of that stick!
hmmm Americans are idiots. A lot of people who could be of good use aren't able to because of this big barrier to education. Hell even primary education in the US varies in quality. It isn't a commodity. But let's keep dealing with the issue of poverty and spouting off about personal responsibility. When of course kids don't get that chance well before they even know what the concept is. PEACE
@Tezcatlepocatl True, but what if you are poor, a lot of banks wouldn't even give them loans, I agree that student loans should be abolished, but private banks (who rule the world) anyway) should not be the answer. I mean there are plenty of minorities who can't afford to get a loan through a private bank, and a lot of the times if they applied for a private laon, they would get turned down. Which is why I like the Scandinavian system of FREE COLLEGE.
@SadisticScott Nothing is free in Scandinavia or anywhere. Milton Friedman put it best with his famous TINSTAAFL phrase.
Completely socialist governments like the ones in most of Europe love to distort this basic fact through complex trickery and make their Keynesian system look good. But the fact is that you're paying for that education whether you like it or not (even if you don't use it) and that you could likely get a better one with the same money if you were allowed to buy it yourself.
You're basically saying colleges and universities charges more than what is necessary.
In other words moral of the story is to have public colleges/universities. The nation/state should fund these so that they can reduce tuition fee to a minor expense.
This reduces debts students are stuck with. They would probably not be able to compete with some of the top universities (usually very expensive), but they can be decent, and viable for everyone (with good grades).
Look at N330AA's comment below. He nailed it. First, it's stupid for everyone to pay for college when not everyone is going to go (some people just want to get straight to working on something).
But the fact is that it's not like everyone SHOULD go to college. You go to college to distinguish yourself over others with a degree. If everyone has a degree, then your degree is meaningless and worthless. And then you'll regret having wasted time & money getting it instead of working.
When considering public state funded education, a student's wish to make himself feel better than others is not a priority. The goal is to ensure you have a highly skilled population. When making higher education free, they may also have reduced requirements for a degree, and one can also argue that public education has a tendency to allow to many students in social studies. Neither did I say for everyone, but it should be decided by grades rather than money.
You want a high percentage of skilled people in a population. But you don't want, nor can you have, 100% of the population being highly skilled.
Besides, we have too many young people in the US studying to be in the services sector of the economy, producing nothing. We need more people to get a higher education that's useful in the primary and secondary sectors, while giving incentives to companies and corporations to have jobs for those skills here.
why cant students afford education? because the gov't keeps giving colleges $, which raises their prices and students have to take loans from the gov't to attend school...gov't is causing this problem...ron paul is right, we need to stop pumping $ into education and thus bringing costs down, and allow colleges themselves to give loans, not the gov't
Ron Paul would phase out all federally-backed student loansThis wealth-transferring gov attempt to help people get a college education has generated an economic bubble much like the housing bubble that just collapsed.The govt involvement has driven up costs and driven quality down.American college graduates have over $1 Trillion in debt and there are no jobs.When govt gets out of the way, prices will drop and alternative forms of education like apprenticeships will rightfully hold more value.
Ron Paul would phase out all federally-backed student loansThis wealth-transferring gov attempt to help people get a college education has generated an economic bubble much like the housing bubble that just collapsed.The govt involvement has driven up costs and driven quality down.American college graduates have over $1 Trillion in debt and there are no jobs.When govt gets out of the way, prices will drop and alternative forms of education like apprenticeships will rightfully hold more value.
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I can't believe some of the posts written on here. You people need to do some research,you don't even know what is really going on in this country. Ron Paul is the only one standing up for people's rights. One day you are going to wake and see what the loss of freedom really means.WATCH COPY,PASTE = Charlotte Iserbyt: The Miseducation of America Part 1-Full
There are natural rights and unnatural rights. Natural rights are rights that can only be taken away from you, never given. Unnatural rights are rights that are imparted on you, usually (but not exclusively) by a state. Unnatural rights sometimes infringe on natural right and are sometimes based on the illogical premise of infinite supply. "The right to education" is an unnatural right, usually at the behest of some higher authority. It isn't a fundamental right from the eyes of a libertarian.
Usually I like Ron Paul, but this is outrageous, he is ridiculously obsessed with the idea that the US may turn into a police state that he can't see the real issues.
He is certainly much more intelligent than his peers, by far, but he is idealist to a severely horrifying degree.
I don't think his opinion stated in this video aren't based on the fear of the US may potentially becoming a police state, rather they're based on his libertarian economic and social disposition. But it's true, he does stick a lot to his ideals - quite a plus for his character, I would say.
Ron Paul just don't realize that this is a different time frame, different century. His policies will never work in this age. He's outdated, out gunned. This is not the 1700's where you can leave your door open unlocked in the middle of the night. This world is much more dangerous, and people's mentality has changed. Destroying education = more dangerous fuckers on the streets. Ron needs a reality check, or a brain scan.
Ok. I might be a bit behind the times, but I am just seeing here that that fella from The Young Turks is on MSNBC. For anyone out there who was on the fence as to whether MSNBC was a legitimate news source, this should be case closed: No, it is not. TYT is an offense to rational thought and journalism. MSNBC should be ashamed and remedy this (if they have not already).
I don't have a problem paying more in taxes so everyone has access to education. Student loans help those who cant afford to attend college, it's not like before student loans college was affordable for everyone. Do people takes advantage and abuse the system absolutely but to punish those who actually need the help is ridiculous.
@VanessaAKnox That's fine. But, you can't vouch for every American's opinion on paying tax for school. That's why spending taxes on most things is completely unjustified. The government has NO money, only the money it takes from it's citizen's.
Considering the quality of public schools, why are they even accepted? I dropped out of high school when I was 16. I'm 19 now, and in the past year I've learned more on my own by studying online on my own time than I really ever did in school.
@leeknivek Well, god knows everything online is factual. I'm sure you won't live to regret your decision.
Furthermore, while you are right, one "can't vouch for every American's opinion on paying tax for school," one can vouch for the majority of Americans' opinion on the matter. If people wanted a libertarian society they would elect leaders who would create one. There's a reason Ron Paul walks alone politically. He speaks only to a fringe group in the country and no one else.
@glavin69 Right, Wikipedia and other cited sources of information are entirely incorrect. I was stupid to ever read them.
Anyways, the popular opinion is not a universally held opinion. Unless you're dealing with mob-rule democracy, I don't see how it's justified if you're trying to encompass everyone's opinion. As I said previously: the government has no money. Only the money it takes in taxes. How can they spend MY money the way I would like it to be spent?
@leeknivek I must apologize for the confusion. I didn't mean you were stupid for studying online, I meant you were stupid for dropping out of school. Sorry for the confusion. There are many success stories in public school, if yours wasn't one of them, if the curriculum was beneath you, you should have aced everything and graduated with honors. Saying: "I dropped out 'cause I don't need that shit," sounds like your trying to justify something. Why don't you wiki Cognitive dissonance?
@leeknivek As for "mob-rule democracy" I don't know how you can justify tearing down a concept like democracy in the name of personal freedom. As governments go, democracy is about as pro-personal freedom as you get. You don't like helping people or paying taxes? Whaa! You know, for all the kvetching people do about our government, they still have devised a system that affords most people a good lifestyle. If US taxes are the biggest injustice in your life, you have no problems.
@glavin69 I dropped out because I was bored, mostly. I felt I was wasting my time.
A republic where everyone is viewed as equal and there is no room for laws that prohibit or obligate anyone to do anything other than help themselves however they see fit, so long as they do not infringe on the rights of others, would be an ideal alternative to a democracy, I think. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
@glavin69 I have nothing against helping people. Do it all you want. I do it sometimes, too. But, I don't want to be forced to help anyone. I'm sure a lot of people would agree. You don't need the government to help people.
Taxing is government-sanctioned stealing.
What is viewed as a "good" lifestyle is entirely subjective.
Surely you cannot assume that taxes are the biggest injustice in my life. Not that it would have any bearing on our conversation regardless.
Think of it this way, the country is a hotel, the gov the owner of the hotel, you pay to stay there right? I guess you dont walk out of a hotel after living there with the benifits it provides and say "you demanding payment is stealing" right?
As for forcing, last i checked, before the governments in europe "forced" nationalised healthcare programs, people often died due to a lack of medical care (cost to much), then NHS comes in, decades added to life
@MitchofSmeg Think of it this way. The government ISN'T a hotel. They're a service, for the people, by the people. Intangible and without any material goods. They can offer nothing. They have no money. Of course - they can print their fiat money all they'd like. But, they still do not have money. Taxes are government sanctioned stealing, no matter how you'd like to sugar coat it.
@leeknivek Now education, well, if you wish for your country to you know, fall behind dramatically because the country as a whole doesnt support educating the next generation then fair enough, but why on earth should your petty "i dont want to pay" get in the way of advancing the human race or ofcourse the big 1, keeping the west on top and not having places like China or India take over?
@MitchofSmeg Privatizing education would dramatically HELP, if anything. Why do people flock to private schools over public schools? Well, private schools HAVE to be good. They have to compete with every other school. Public schools do not, and, have a poor quality of education because of it. They have no incentive to be good teachers. Now, in the private sector, parents are only going to want their children to go to the best schools, right? The schools that actually are efficient in teaching.
@leeknivek "Why do people flock to Private schools"
Hmm, you worded it wrong. I think what you meant was "Why do Rich people flock to Private schools". Simple. Because they can afford it, and don't mind paying for it.
But lets be real, MOST people can't afford Private school, that's why they go to public school.
Don't really get the logic that not educating half the population will somehow improve the country's well-being... well, the well-being to rich people, that is.
@NewOrleansboii Right. Chalk one up for you against those evil, greedy, rich folks!
Now, fallacies aside, if all these public schools are suddenly gone, then guess who will be out of a job? A plethora of teachers. Now, what are those teachers good at? Teaching.
Now, it might be a bit of a jump here, but I'm fairly certain that those teachers, one way or another, would make schools to keep themselves financially supported. Schools that are affordable AND efficient.
@leeknivek Because, well, how are they going to compete if they charge so much? They need to be the best and most affordable school in their district. Otherwise, who would go to that school?
At that point, with schools that provide good education for cheap - expensive private schools with have to cut their expenses, too! They can't remain a monopoly any longer. Correct? If not, please tell me where I've gone wrong.
@leeknivek Im sorry, but it doesnt work like that, history has shown this. The point is the families CANT afford to pay for it, Seriously, how much do you think they will be charged? Many families under the poverty line i bet cant even afford to spend $50 a month per child, and dont forget ,they usually have more then 1 kid, lol.
@leeknivek Not everybody can afford a private school for their child...... derp. What about them? Should their kid be told "sorry your below the poverty line, so your kinda fucked"?
BTw, it may be a problem in the US, but in other western nations, no so much.
Homeschooling is an option, too, you know. Now, what happens to kids whose parents don't have the time to home-school them? Well, I'm sure one person could start a school by themselves for smaller communities. Couldn't they? And, expand, too. Keeping in mind that they HAVE to be good, otherwise nobody will go to them.
Where isn't it a problem and WHY isn't it a problem? We do not have the same policies, so, of course things would be different.
@leeknivek Does our opinion really matter, anyway? You, I and everyone else knows Ron Paul has a Zero chance of being elected into office. Not only the poor-class disagrees, but also, most of the middle-class disagrees. The guy is just too radical, and wants to go backwards, not forwards when it comes to his policies. The more people get to know Ron Paul, the more they hate him. With the Newsletters and 9/11 comments alone, his fan-base has split.
@NewOrleansboii How, how, how, and how? PROVE IT! I don't care that his policies are old, I don't care who does and does not support him, and I don't care towards his chance of getting into office. And, certainly, you cannot vouch for anyone hating him but yourself regardless! The principles that he is stating STILL apply. The constitution was written so that it would apply hundreds of years later. Just let it be!
@leeknivek I studied it as part of my GCSE studies, education and medical care before state run programs is ALWAYS expencive and the poor suffer, but as soon as state run education comes in the private sector cheapens a little but not much, but the overall lack of a better term "IQ" and healthcare of the poor dramatically increases.
@leeknivek And as for somebody opening their own school, wow, you need to have nationally regulated programs, otherwise different regions will teach different things which can be bad, as in the US, the whole evolution and "humans are apes not monkeys" thing is outdated, apes are now considered monkeys, but only small sections of schools both public and private teach the new material, you see what i mean with this being important here right?
@leeknivek Look bro, people in America can't afford to send their children to Private schools in these bad economic times. What part of CAN"T AFFORD you don't understand? How about we just keep Private sector and Public sector schooling, and let the individual choose where they want to send their children; instead of forcing Religious Private schools down our throat. Ron is living in the past, and his ideas will never work in the 21st century.
Oi, have you read anything I've posted here? Have you taken the time to consider ANY of the alternatives? No, it doesn't appear that you have. "PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD" does not provide a compelling argument to my points, when I specifically laid out ways that people COULD afford it.
If you're really that concerned, how about you get rid of the minimum wage, unemployment, social security, and every other entitlement, and you just might see factories being built here! FFS
@MitchofSmeg As for healthcare - you have no right to that, either. Government spending on healthcare, just like college grants, raises the price. Why would those companies settle for less when they know they can receive more? Now, even with that slight government intervention - how can the poor and middle class afford health insurance or college?
WHAT THE HELL GOES ON IN YOUR HEAD?! THAT'S NOT THE SYSTEM ANYONE GREW UP WITH!!!!!!!!!! Thank you, Ron Paul. You're making the Republican party look so bad that Obama will win the election.
I agree! I think we should allow people to choose where they want their children to go to school, the type of education they want, etc.. I know people who didn't make it pass the 8th grade who are smarter than those who went to college.
WHAT! HIS TUITION WAS 350$ A SEMESTER!! WHAT!!!!!!!!!! HOW CHEAP! I think Ron Paul is right about inflation and how government involvement is only pushing prices of education up and up whilst quality goes down and down.
@taledarkside I did guy to a private/catholic school. it wasn't very expensive 2K per month. in my country. I wouldn't of wanted to go to a public school because the government has made a mess of the public school system..
But he was talking about medical school (university) contrast he 350$ per month for a medical degree in contrast the the one I'm doing.. I'm paying 3 grand per semester and this isn't even a good degree...
And people were paid 2 dollars an hour when Ron Paul was in school, and today that is almost 9 dollars. School is still affordable today, people don't need private school to get an education.
And the ony people who can't get jobs are the ones that pick stupid degrees in college. Degrees like art and social "......"
@taledarkside The reason people were paid "2$" and hour and things cost A LOT LESS was because of inflation partly because of government being so big spending/printing so much money debasing the currency , cost of living was low back then and wages and salaries of the people were much higher in contrast to cost of living back then.
And I agree with you, I'm sitting on a B/ARTS because I have no clue on what career path I want to take. Might just drop out find full time work until i do.
Cost of living is cheap today. maybe you should actually compare it.
A computer back then would cost 5,000 dollars, a computer today would cost 500 dollars. A television cost few thousand, when you can get one today for 100 dollars.
Bachelor of Arts is a useless degree. You are better off going to school to become a plumber, hvac, carpenter, mechanic, if you are not too smart to be an engineer.
@taledarkside Technology like Computers isn't a good example of cost of living because in recent year computer technology and TV technology becomes cheaper to produce as it advances a good example is plasma TV's they were super expensive when they first came out now their not. using Energy and food is a better measurement, and i agree B/A is useless, i'll most likely drop out and get a full time job untill I figure out what Career I want to do :D
@taledarkside Oh I see, so it's just a coincidence that as government involvement in education has increased, quality of US education has decreased. They are not correlated at all, makes perfect sense. How about you actually research the validity of this claim before you jump the gun and assume it's nonsense.
What people forget is that the pilgrims on the Mayflower did NOT build a village and sow a field when they arrived in America. They got lucky and found a Native American village which had been cleared of people by small pox brough over from Spain. Squanto happened to be there b/c he was taken as a slave and escaped back to New England. So even the pilgrims needed help. That's American to take help when its there.
Ron Paul is wrong! Education is not a right??!!! What he is basically saying is that only rich people are entitled to and education. He went to school 100 years ago. Inflation is never going to go away because supply and demand are not going away. Ron Paul needs to take an economics class.
@BeautyByJennaLeigh i don't know where to start this. public schools are really bad right now. and there's no school choice. Americans scored 25th place on an international test out of 100 countries.
@BeautyByJennaLeigh He's saying government shouldn't be involved in subsidising education, prices go up quality goes down even you can't deny that.
Under stand man you don't have a right to a service or good or someone else's money.. but that doesn't mean nup poor kids no school for you!
He even said it loans could be made through the university as a solution. Don't forget that uni's offer scholarships to people that work hard in their studies.
@BeautyByJennaLeigh wrong! Look at the rest of the world and look back to us. Education is not a right! What makes you or me better than someone born in the 3rd world? Instead of people getting an education, you're just a statistic in some big ass class that's completely impersonal. IF PEOPLE SHOW POTENTIAL, THEN THEY GO TO COLLEGE. Look at some of the people at the frat houses. Do they belong in college? Look at people getting degrees in random shit. Do they in college?
@BeautyByJennaLeigh this world doesn't need more sociology or physiology majors. What makes Japan so great? It's competition. Survival of the fittest. Ron Paul knows exactly what this country needs, but damn liberals and retarded republicans can never see what's good for them until it's too late.
@sw33tdr34m5 you tried to make a simple fact compelex and it is not ,unless the meaning of loan has changed from what it was fifty yrs ago you dont have a leg to stand on.
To all you Ron Paul fans, read Volume 5 Chapter 1 of The Wealth of Nations. Adam Smith stated that he supported subsidies for universal education, and expressed concern about the effect that monotonous work may have on parental education. Decent education is essential to a competitive labour market and can make the difference between a surgeon and a labourer.
Yes Ron, you have the right to own a gun just, not a right to learn how to spell it.
It's amazing that Paul and his worshippers can go around boasting they're for personal liberty, yet they won't equip people with the tools necessary to exercise that liberty (education, sound infrastructure, health care to name a few items).
Ever since the government got involved in schools 30 or so years ago, the price for education has gone up and the level of intellectual competency has gone down dramatically. Kids are dumber and more broke than before the government got involved. Slave horses for corporate is what the people are becoming and it must be overturned!!! Ron Paul supports and upholds the "document" that one written by some of America's finest historical figures in order to prevent the shit were in now.Time to listen!
@rawbrutaltruth He's talking about government loans which are financed by tax pay in that scene you're "handing out" someone else's money cash since government produces nothing and has nothing.
@iTitanium once again a loan is a loan if u you dont understand the term has not change since i went to grade school they must not be doing a good job educating today.to try to redefine it to fit your contextual argument is useless. who backs what is not the issue, a loan has to be paid back ,and therefore is not a hand out, mabey a baker can explain that to those of u who would try that argument there......smile.
I'm a junior in Electrical Engineering at a big research school and completely support Ron Paul. People don't need to jump into universities right away and take classes they failed in high school. Start off at community colleges where the education is probably even better since you have smaller classes and more attention, and then move off to big universities. The tuition for college varies, but I think many people, ages 18-25, can afford 3 thousand dollars a year tuition for an AA degree.
@HappyGuitarGuy You have obviously never had any hardships. Some people do good to get food on the table. Some people lose their parents and have no one to help them. Some people have disabled parents whom they have to support. Under RP not only would those people not have a right to healthcare which goes against "LIFE, libery and pursuit of happiness" in the constitution but they would also not have any means to get an education to better their situation. INHUMANE!
@BeautyByJennaLeigh All of those things can be accomplished by local charities, and that is much more effective then government force feeding it to us. You realize that local charity has gone down recently due to the fact that it is much harder in our current financial state to support charity, right? You realize our financial state is a direct result of bad economics, right? You are implying anybody who supports RP is inhumane, which is a very incorrect over-generalization.
We ran a youth project which was funded by the government to take kids on outdoor adventure and skill building exercises. We made it free to attend, not one kid showed which worked out great for us because we just sat and drank beer and ate all the food lol. But when we charged £10 to go, everyone showed up. If you pay for something you end up having a responsibility to go, an incentive. Sad but true.
benwil1785 13 hours ago
Why complain about money when you got money, thats all i am saying.
TheMoohoos 13 hours ago
Look I think the goverment should help with education because it gives the poor people an oppurtunity to propser and have a chance to move up in life. Many argue that they could get loans or scholarships but there is so many varibles that people dont consider, many ethical questions that people dont care for. There is somany situautions that the working class or higher classes can not comprehend because they HAVE money. I dont think people understand the concept of P-O-O-R.
TheMoohoos 14 hours ago
Everyone should be allowed free education up to the age of 18. Universities should be charged though. A plumber doesn't get free education so why should a person who's going to university?
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ashwadhwani 5 days ago
If you pay for someone's else education, good for you. But don't force it on others! when you do that, you create a distortion in prices and the market system. At the end, people need to realize that education is just another service in the economy, don't expect the government to pay it just as you don't expect it to pay for your haircuts.
diodz22 6 days ago
People have to realize that its not just the price tag of education that needs to be assessed, its the quality of education as well. There are many school around the U.S. that have hefty price tags and low post secondary turnover rates. Just because a school has a high applicant number you have to look at drop out rates, job ready students (post grad) etc. This is probably the largest issue in the U.S. aside from the debt crisis.
AmandABaR444 6 days ago
If you got good grades then you shouldn't have a problem getting scholarships. That's the point of scholarships. Giving money to those who work hard but can't finance their own education. If our economy was stronger then college would be a lot cheaper and loans wouldn't be so hard to pay back.
lasoogneypubes 6 days ago 4
Whether you like the government funding education or not. The truth will always look be that education declines as funding increases. Hmm.
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I like Ron Paul for his integrity, but he seems quite dogmatic on some issues.
Here in Finland not only education in state universities is free, but students get paid to study. Seems to work just fine. Link here: tinyurl(dot)com/3atktbv
It's simply a good investment for any country that can afford it. The most talented and motivated people rise on top, not the ones who had more money to begin with.
Mornys 1 week ago
Ron Paul is a fool if he really does believe that the government should stop paying for education.
Jeroentk12 1 week ago
@Jeroentk12 Do you even know why you think that?
lasoogneypubes 6 days ago
@lasoogneypubes Europe has proven that a government-funded education system can work. In order to enhance social mobility, a cheap or free education is necessary. It is also extremely beneficial for the economy and for society as a whole if people are better educated.
The self-development of individuals is a right, and education is needed for that.
Jeroentk12 6 days ago
@Jeroentk12 Well i am from the Europe so i think i can speak with some authority. The last government made universities free here. All that happened was loads of people went and got pointless degrees and didn't take their education seriously. Now we have a situation where degrees are almost meaningless as everyone has them, and the tax payers were paying for this. Thankfully the current gov has upped the fees, so now people are thinking about whether it's worth getting a degree or not.
N330AA 3 days ago
so generally speaking : its either 5000++bucks for a semester fee with student-loan or 2000 bucks without loan?
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Barskor1 1 week ago
I agree that Paul's model would probably work in the long run, but for now we would still need a program to help students. If all federal aid is suddenly taken away, colleges will not change immediatly. Also, there are not any summer jobs to do anymore, because we have no manufacturing that people used to go to do in summer in 1950s and 60s. But i still agree that Paul has the best long-term model.
TheFORBEZZZ 1 week ago
Education isn't a right. Medical care isn't a right. Because they're things someone has to pay for. Furthermore, you'd have to ask: "What type/quality of education?" So Ron Paul is correct. Nobody should be forced to pay for others with their own assets. Trust me, I'm not just saying that. I was born in Communist China.
TheSilviepie 1 week ago
@TheSilviepie Exactly. And what people don't realize is that ALL of the money the government has is also OUR money. So it's not fair to take money from taxpayers to give to other taxpayers.
lasoogneypubes 6 days ago
Get the government (the middle man) out of as many things as possible. Legalize freedom again, and let the free market increase choices/competition and drive prices down.
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Education isn't a right. If it were, I wouldn't be paying 50k a year for it. That said, get rid of federal funding for post-secondary school education and what do you get: more competition to receive BETTER, CHEAPER education AND more competition in industry = thriving economy.
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virinder07 1 week ago
This I disagree with. I believe that education is a right, up to highschool.
Now on student aide: I don't think the government should pay for extra education, a student can take out loans.
My family's expected financial help for college is 0, but us kids could still make it without aide.
But I don't think we should get rid of the system yet.
GeekinsteinTutorials 1 week ago
Quality isn't free, and there's a big difference between reasonable price and impossible to pay. I'd rather work for three months than to get in debt for 20 years.
Krazeel 1 week ago
In a society like this I think free Education and Healthcare is essential. Capitalism is an unstable system and is unfair in its very nature. The poorest people deserve a good start in life and the same health treatment as any other person. Ron Paul says we dont have the right to take from others but people have the responsibility... the moral responsibility to give them that right.
sl3ptsolong 1 week ago
Education is not a right, Why should I subsidize someone else so they can get an education for free?
Saying something like that is a right is essentially saying you have the right to take people's money.
johanexxxx 2 weeks ago
For all opposed: Keep in mind that no one, incuding RP, is willing to eliminate programs tomorrow. These necessary actions will take time. Weaning ourselves slowly off of the programs until we are restored to a constitutional republic. No one is advocating any "shocks" to the system.
puckerupamerica 2 weeks ago
u cant just hand out money anymore thats whats ron paul has been saying.
u have to earn it, america ghetto is not like the slums of other countrys where u cant even get out of it.
theOnly1232 2 weeks ago
Has it ever dawned on Ron Paul that since he always talks about how the federal Civil Rights Act, labor laws, health care, etc. as being unconstitutional. Don't you think that maybe we should urgently amend our constitution to permit those things. I mean, don't you wish those things were constitutional?
CesarManiaX 2 weeks ago
@CesarManiaX for science's sake NO. Not if it means the government can tax the hell out of me, just to give my money to someone else.
patugi 2 weeks ago
This is one think I agree with Ron. But I still don't like em...
RandomChris46 2 weeks ago
I believe healthcare and education are the only two major rights of human beings if you have an education you can contribute better to society and the economy and if you have healthcare your healthier at least to continue working and contribute to society and your own future... With this part I dont agree with RP sorry!!!
liza2000us2001 2 weeks ago
You're a sick bastard, Ron Paul. A child without the financial means is being denied a college education? So, what than? Only the middle/upper class get college educations?
I absolutely hate how he makes it sound like students are shaking down taxpayers for money. America isn't burning money away on students; it is investing in its future and its future citizens and leaders.
You no longer have my support, Ron Paul.
AgApE010 2 weeks ago
@AgApE010 Nobody has the right to an education if they aren't paying for it.
SCE2AUX 2 weeks ago
@SCE2AUX
Everybody should have a right to education. It shouldn't be limited to only the rich and powerful.
AgApE010 2 weeks ago
@AgApE010 When you claim a "right" to an education, you are saying that you have the right to violate the rights of others - in short, THEIR right not to be forced to teach you without compensation.
There are no valid rights that force others to provide a free service to you.
SCE2AUX 2 weeks ago
@SCE2AUX
Who said anything about free? Teachers and professors are still paid. The only difference is that the government pays for the students who don't have the financial means for attending college.
And no, this isn't students ''stealing'' from taxpayers. I can't tell you what a despicable thing that is for some people to say. That is America investing in its future. Education is the key to the future and to a better America.
AgApE010 2 weeks ago
@AgApE010 I'm not buying it. If somebody wants an education, the person receiving it is the one who needs to pay for it, either through working or a student loan.
SCE2AUX 2 weeks ago
@SCE2AUX
"either through working"
University costs about 30-40K a year. You can't make that working a job during semester.
"or a student loan"
Which the gov't currently provides.
AgApE010 2 weeks ago
@AgApE010 The cost of the University per year depends on the college though I wouldn't say government loans are a bad thing.
ZM7241994 2 weeks ago
@AgApE010 Artificially inflated tuition and book rates. Student loans are better provided through private lenders.
SCE2AUX 2 weeks ago
@SCE2AUX
You also overlook the fact that most students have little or no credit. Private lenders won't fork over tens of thousands of dollars to such students with little or no payment back for 4+ years.
I mean, come on. It's not like the government hasn't thought of all these things before introducing government loans.
AgApE010 2 weeks ago
@AgApE010
If you get the government out of giving money to people who want to go to college, universities and colleges will have to lower prices because people won't be able to go to the government to borrow money to pay their disgustingly high rates.After that, prices will be low enough for non-wealthy people to afford.
Government has good intentions when it loans students money for school, but it sadly backfires and hurts the students more than anyone, while benefiting the colleges.
Tezcatlepocatl 2 weeks ago
@Tezcatlepocatl
Yes, so let us just wait for years and years until universities decide to lower tuition (if they ever do at all).
There's a better plan: Tell the universities to lower tuition or federal aid is reduced (not totally done away with as Ron Paul wants).
It does not hurt the students. Currently, government grants are taking care of my tuition. Believe me, I am not hurt. I am able to get an education to contribute to society later in life.
AgApE010 2 weeks ago
@Tezcatlepocatl Well then why doesn't the government on top of it tell the universities they can't raise prices as well
NosoCOMINSOON 2 weeks ago
@NosoCOMINSOON
That shouldn't be put in place permanently, but it should be done for a time while gradually putting an end to federal student loans from the government. If you just keep adding market distortions from the government to patch up problems caused by older distortions, you'll just be fighting fire with fire and will end up with a bigger problem every time.
There are always side effects from government action, and they're often worse than the original problem they try to fix.
Tezcatlepocatl 2 weeks ago
@AgApE010
He doesn't want to stop all student loans, just the government loan programs. They can still get loans, but not from the government.
KradYsuom 2 weeks ago
@KradYsuom
It's not just the loans, it's also the grants that the government provides that would be gone in Paul's plan.
Screw him. If he doesn't care about college students, he won't have our support. Simple as that.
AgApE010 2 weeks ago
I love Ron Paul, I think he's the closest figure to the truest meaning of the statesman among all the modern politicians, but this is the exact reason why he'll have endless amount of my respect but never my vote.
hungryasshit 2 weeks ago
In my country it is every mans right to have a proper education and healthcare and you know what?
We love it.
If you give your citizens free education and healthcare the people will love you for it. If not then they will hate you.
U.S citizens have the right but people like you are just denying them that right.
TheIcelandicPatriot 3 weeks ago
how do you EARN medical care and an education then? EARN? really, then We need to CLOSE ALL HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS because no one is EARNING THEIR RIGHTS! wow, just a re-quote, now I will have hate mail for the ignorance that is QUOTING RON PAUL! lol
DemoneyesDa 3 weeks ago
It's very simple, you pay for it the old fashion way like I do. Get a job. I differ the tuition payments and pay a 25 dollar fee to do so. Then I work a full time job to cover my expenses. I have very little free time, but if that's what it takes for me to get ahead then so be it.
Why should the government hand it out for you at the expense of the taxpayer? If you aren't willing to work for it then you don't deserve to get an education. Its hard, its supposed to be. that's the point.
aLucastube 3 weeks ago
Not sure I really like this guys feign 'liberterian' angle on education. sounds suspiciously like he wants people to 'earn' their education, which certainly suits the inherently wealthy and upper classes - to further the reach of college from those who already struggle to obtain entrance. Seems backward, elitist and seethes of contempt for giving the little guy a helping hand. I do not like this character, i really do not.
oldschool233 3 weeks ago
Finally, someone who actually says he won't waste government money on lazy people and probably means it.
Zardul 3 weeks ago
Why does he stop there? Fire, police and rescue services are not rights. Paved roads are not rights. A public K-12 education is not a right. Postal service is not a right. Heck, human rights aren't actually rights, they are just expected. Geesh! What a "let them eat cake" mentality! Yes, some things may not be inherent rights, but the point is that we want to pool our resources to some degree for safety, health and welfare. Personally, I want to live in an educated citizenry w/all of the above.
baystategal 3 weeks ago
@baystategal and Paul would argue that an educated citizenry would be better provided for without government involvement.
torgyman 3 weeks ago
@baystategal have you never read the constitution? postal service is a right, roads are rights. Fire, police, and rescue services are stuff that you pay for to protect your life.
freedomwriter908 3 weeks ago
@baystategal Here's a crazy idea....if someone can't afford to support a child, maybe they shouldn't have one.
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jdowfleetwood 3 weeks ago
153 people think they should get a free ride
MrKurtfinn 3 weeks ago
This guy is a jerk!
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firstonethrough 3 weeks ago
Paul's right. You got good grades and want to go to college but can't afford it? Apply for a scholarship or take out a student loan from a private loan provider.
The government lending large amounts of money without a second thought to anyone who asks for it simply because it's for "education" only results in colleges and universities charging as much as they want, because they know they'll get it, from the taxpayer's pockets, no less. Meanwhile, students get stuck with huge debt...
Tezcatlepocatl 3 weeks ago 12
@Tezcatlepocatl Well put. The rate at which scholarships and loans are made available is what is continuously driving up the price of higher education, and the students are getting the short end of that stick!
jmontgom10 2 weeks ago
@Tezcatlepocatl
hmmm Americans are idiots. A lot of people who could be of good use aren't able to because of this big barrier to education. Hell even primary education in the US varies in quality. It isn't a commodity. But let's keep dealing with the issue of poverty and spouting off about personal responsibility. When of course kids don't get that chance well before they even know what the concept is. PEACE
lordblazer 2 weeks ago
@Tezcatlepocatl True, but what if you are poor, a lot of banks wouldn't even give them loans, I agree that student loans should be abolished, but private banks (who rule the world) anyway) should not be the answer. I mean there are plenty of minorities who can't afford to get a loan through a private bank, and a lot of the times if they applied for a private laon, they would get turned down. Which is why I like the Scandinavian system of FREE COLLEGE.
SadisticScott 2 weeks ago
@SadisticScott Nothing is free in Scandinavia or anywhere. Milton Friedman put it best with his famous TINSTAAFL phrase.
Completely socialist governments like the ones in most of Europe love to distort this basic fact through complex trickery and make their Keynesian system look good. But the fact is that you're paying for that education whether you like it or not (even if you don't use it) and that you could likely get a better one with the same money if you were allowed to buy it yourself.
Tezcatlepocatl 2 weeks ago
@Tezcatlepocatl
You're basically saying colleges and universities charges more than what is necessary.
In other words moral of the story is to have public colleges/universities. The nation/state should fund these so that they can reduce tuition fee to a minor expense.
This reduces debts students are stuck with. They would probably not be able to compete with some of the top universities (usually very expensive), but they can be decent, and viable for everyone (with good grades).
Robin90modell 17 hours ago
@Robin90modell
Look at N330AA's comment below. He nailed it. First, it's stupid for everyone to pay for college when not everyone is going to go (some people just want to get straight to working on something).
But the fact is that it's not like everyone SHOULD go to college. You go to college to distinguish yourself over others with a degree. If everyone has a degree, then your degree is meaningless and worthless. And then you'll regret having wasted time & money getting it instead of working.
Tezcatlepocatl 16 hours ago
@Tezcatlepocatl
When considering public state funded education, a student's wish to make himself feel better than others is not a priority. The goal is to ensure you have a highly skilled population. When making higher education free, they may also have reduced requirements for a degree, and one can also argue that public education has a tendency to allow to many students in social studies. Neither did I say for everyone, but it should be decided by grades rather than money.
Robin90modell 16 hours ago
@Robin90modell
You want a high percentage of skilled people in a population. But you don't want, nor can you have, 100% of the population being highly skilled.
Besides, we have too many young people in the US studying to be in the services sector of the economy, producing nothing. We need more people to get a higher education that's useful in the primary and secondary sectors, while giving incentives to companies and corporations to have jobs for those skills here.
Tezcatlepocatl 15 hours ago
why cant students afford education? because the gov't keeps giving colleges $, which raises their prices and students have to take loans from the gov't to attend school...gov't is causing this problem...ron paul is right, we need to stop pumping $ into education and thus bringing costs down, and allow colleges themselves to give loans, not the gov't
osmosis055 3 weeks ago
You have the right to earn an education.
BlindMaphisto 3 weeks ago
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Ron Paul would phase out all federally-backed student loansThis wealth-transferring gov attempt to help people get a college education has generated an economic bubble much like the housing bubble that just collapsed.The govt involvement has driven up costs and driven quality down.American college graduates have over $1 Trillion in debt and there are no jobs.When govt gets out of the way, prices will drop and alternative forms of education like apprenticeships will rightfully hold more value.
vic4rp 3 weeks ago
Ron Paul would phase out all federally-backed student loansThis wealth-transferring gov attempt to help people get a college education has generated an economic bubble much like the housing bubble that just collapsed.The govt involvement has driven up costs and driven quality down.American college graduates have over $1 Trillion in debt and there are no jobs.When govt gets out of the way, prices will drop and alternative forms of education like apprenticeships will rightfully hold more value.
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vic4rp 3 weeks ago
There are natural rights and unnatural rights. Natural rights are rights that can only be taken away from you, never given. Unnatural rights are rights that are imparted on you, usually (but not exclusively) by a state. Unnatural rights sometimes infringe on natural right and are sometimes based on the illogical premise of infinite supply. "The right to education" is an unnatural right, usually at the behest of some higher authority. It isn't a fundamental right from the eyes of a libertarian.
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vic4rp 3 weeks ago
Usually I like Ron Paul, but this is outrageous, he is ridiculously obsessed with the idea that the US may turn into a police state that he can't see the real issues.
He is certainly much more intelligent than his peers, by far, but he is idealist to a severely horrifying degree.
feliciano2040 4 weeks ago
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I don't think his opinion stated in this video aren't based on the fear of the US may potentially becoming a police state, rather they're based on his libertarian economic and social disposition. But it's true, he does stick a lot to his ideals - quite a plus for his character, I would say.
PacifistPigeon 3 weeks ago
@PacifistPigeon Quite frankly, Bachmann and Gingrich also stick to their racist, ignorant ideals, we're not going to praise them for it are we X-D ?
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vic4rp 3 weeks ago
This is why I don't vote. Our government is to busy arguing to actually do some shit and fix up america.
xmfritzx 4 weeks ago
Ron Paul just don't realize that this is a different time frame, different century. His policies will never work in this age. He's outdated, out gunned. This is not the 1700's where you can leave your door open unlocked in the middle of the night. This world is much more dangerous, and people's mentality has changed. Destroying education = more dangerous fuckers on the streets. Ron needs a reality check, or a brain scan.
NewOrleansboii 4 weeks ago
"education and medical care are not a right"....
And americans wonder why the rest of the west consider them fucking morons.
MitchofSmeg 4 weeks ago
Ok. I might be a bit behind the times, but I am just seeing here that that fella from The Young Turks is on MSNBC. For anyone out there who was on the fence as to whether MSNBC was a legitimate news source, this should be case closed: No, it is not. TYT is an offense to rational thought and journalism. MSNBC should be ashamed and remedy this (if they have not already).
igystrvigy 1 month ago
I don't have a problem paying more in taxes so everyone has access to education. Student loans help those who cant afford to attend college, it's not like before student loans college was affordable for everyone. Do people takes advantage and abuse the system absolutely but to punish those who actually need the help is ridiculous.
VanessaAKnox 1 month ago
@VanessaAKnox That's fine. But, you can't vouch for every American's opinion on paying tax for school. That's why spending taxes on most things is completely unjustified. The government has NO money, only the money it takes from it's citizen's.
Considering the quality of public schools, why are they even accepted? I dropped out of high school when I was 16. I'm 19 now, and in the past year I've learned more on my own by studying online on my own time than I really ever did in school.
leeknivek 1 month ago
@leeknivek Well, god knows everything online is factual. I'm sure you won't live to regret your decision.
Furthermore, while you are right, one "can't vouch for every American's opinion on paying tax for school," one can vouch for the majority of Americans' opinion on the matter. If people wanted a libertarian society they would elect leaders who would create one. There's a reason Ron Paul walks alone politically. He speaks only to a fringe group in the country and no one else.
glavin69 1 month ago
@glavin69 Right, Wikipedia and other cited sources of information are entirely incorrect. I was stupid to ever read them.
Anyways, the popular opinion is not a universally held opinion. Unless you're dealing with mob-rule democracy, I don't see how it's justified if you're trying to encompass everyone's opinion. As I said previously: the government has no money. Only the money it takes in taxes. How can they spend MY money the way I would like it to be spent?
leeknivek 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek I must apologize for the confusion. I didn't mean you were stupid for studying online, I meant you were stupid for dropping out of school. Sorry for the confusion. There are many success stories in public school, if yours wasn't one of them, if the curriculum was beneath you, you should have aced everything and graduated with honors. Saying: "I dropped out 'cause I don't need that shit," sounds like your trying to justify something. Why don't you wiki Cognitive dissonance?
glavin69 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek As for "mob-rule democracy" I don't know how you can justify tearing down a concept like democracy in the name of personal freedom. As governments go, democracy is about as pro-personal freedom as you get. You don't like helping people or paying taxes? Whaa! You know, for all the kvetching people do about our government, they still have devised a system that affords most people a good lifestyle. If US taxes are the biggest injustice in your life, you have no problems.
glavin69 4 weeks ago
@glavin69 I dropped out because I was bored, mostly. I felt I was wasting my time.
A republic where everyone is viewed as equal and there is no room for laws that prohibit or obligate anyone to do anything other than help themselves however they see fit, so long as they do not infringe on the rights of others, would be an ideal alternative to a democracy, I think. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
leeknivek 4 weeks ago
@glavin69 I have nothing against helping people. Do it all you want. I do it sometimes, too. But, I don't want to be forced to help anyone. I'm sure a lot of people would agree. You don't need the government to help people.
Taxing is government-sanctioned stealing.
What is viewed as a "good" lifestyle is entirely subjective.
Surely you cannot assume that taxes are the biggest injustice in my life. Not that it would have any bearing on our conversation regardless.
leeknivek 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek Gov stealing huh?
Think of it this way, the country is a hotel, the gov the owner of the hotel, you pay to stay there right? I guess you dont walk out of a hotel after living there with the benifits it provides and say "you demanding payment is stealing" right?
As for forcing, last i checked, before the governments in europe "forced" nationalised healthcare programs, people often died due to a lack of medical care (cost to much), then NHS comes in, decades added to life
MitchofSmeg 4 weeks ago
@MitchofSmeg Think of it this way. The government ISN'T a hotel. They're a service, for the people, by the people. Intangible and without any material goods. They can offer nothing. They have no money. Of course - they can print their fiat money all they'd like. But, they still do not have money. Taxes are government sanctioned stealing, no matter how you'd like to sugar coat it.
leeknivek 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek Now education, well, if you wish for your country to you know, fall behind dramatically because the country as a whole doesnt support educating the next generation then fair enough, but why on earth should your petty "i dont want to pay" get in the way of advancing the human race or ofcourse the big 1, keeping the west on top and not having places like China or India take over?
MitchofSmeg 4 weeks ago
@MitchofSmeg Privatizing education would dramatically HELP, if anything. Why do people flock to private schools over public schools? Well, private schools HAVE to be good. They have to compete with every other school. Public schools do not, and, have a poor quality of education because of it. They have no incentive to be good teachers. Now, in the private sector, parents are only going to want their children to go to the best schools, right? The schools that actually are efficient in teaching.
leeknivek 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek "Why do people flock to Private schools"
Hmm, you worded it wrong. I think what you meant was "Why do Rich people flock to Private schools". Simple. Because they can afford it, and don't mind paying for it.
But lets be real, MOST people can't afford Private school, that's why they go to public school.
Don't really get the logic that not educating half the population will somehow improve the country's well-being... well, the well-being to rich people, that is.
NewOrleansboii 4 weeks ago
@NewOrleansboii Right. Chalk one up for you against those evil, greedy, rich folks!
Now, fallacies aside, if all these public schools are suddenly gone, then guess who will be out of a job? A plethora of teachers. Now, what are those teachers good at? Teaching.
Now, it might be a bit of a jump here, but I'm fairly certain that those teachers, one way or another, would make schools to keep themselves financially supported. Schools that are affordable AND efficient.
leeknivek 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek Because, well, how are they going to compete if they charge so much? They need to be the best and most affordable school in their district. Otherwise, who would go to that school?
At that point, with schools that provide good education for cheap - expensive private schools with have to cut their expenses, too! They can't remain a monopoly any longer. Correct? If not, please tell me where I've gone wrong.
leeknivek 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek Im sorry, but it doesnt work like that, history has shown this. The point is the families CANT afford to pay for it, Seriously, how much do you think they will be charged? Many families under the poverty line i bet cant even afford to spend $50 a month per child, and dont forget ,they usually have more then 1 kid, lol.
MitchofSmeg 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek Not everybody can afford a private school for their child...... derp. What about them? Should their kid be told "sorry your below the poverty line, so your kinda fucked"?
BTw, it may be a problem in the US, but in other western nations, no so much.
MitchofSmeg 4 weeks ago
@MitchofSmeg Where has history shown this?
Homeschooling is an option, too, you know. Now, what happens to kids whose parents don't have the time to home-school them? Well, I'm sure one person could start a school by themselves for smaller communities. Couldn't they? And, expand, too. Keeping in mind that they HAVE to be good, otherwise nobody will go to them.
Where isn't it a problem and WHY isn't it a problem? We do not have the same policies, so, of course things would be different.
leeknivek 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek Does our opinion really matter, anyway? You, I and everyone else knows Ron Paul has a Zero chance of being elected into office. Not only the poor-class disagrees, but also, most of the middle-class disagrees. The guy is just too radical, and wants to go backwards, not forwards when it comes to his policies. The more people get to know Ron Paul, the more they hate him. With the Newsletters and 9/11 comments alone, his fan-base has split.
NewOrleansboii 4 weeks ago
@NewOrleansboii How, how, how, and how? PROVE IT! I don't care that his policies are old, I don't care who does and does not support him, and I don't care towards his chance of getting into office. And, certainly, you cannot vouch for anyone hating him but yourself regardless! The principles that he is stating STILL apply. The constitution was written so that it would apply hundreds of years later. Just let it be!
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vic4rp 3 weeks ago
@leeknivek I studied it as part of my GCSE studies, education and medical care before state run programs is ALWAYS expencive and the poor suffer, but as soon as state run education comes in the private sector cheapens a little but not much, but the overall lack of a better term "IQ" and healthcare of the poor dramatically increases.
MitchofSmeg 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek And as for somebody opening their own school, wow, you need to have nationally regulated programs, otherwise different regions will teach different things which can be bad, as in the US, the whole evolution and "humans are apes not monkeys" thing is outdated, apes are now considered monkeys, but only small sections of schools both public and private teach the new material, you see what i mean with this being important here right?
MitchofSmeg 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek Look bro, people in America can't afford to send their children to Private schools in these bad economic times. What part of CAN"T AFFORD you don't understand? How about we just keep Private sector and Public sector schooling, and let the individual choose where they want to send their children; instead of forcing Religious Private schools down our throat. Ron is living in the past, and his ideas will never work in the 21st century.
justinC504 4 weeks ago
@justinC504 @MitchofSmeg
Oi, have you read anything I've posted here? Have you taken the time to consider ANY of the alternatives? No, it doesn't appear that you have. "PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD" does not provide a compelling argument to my points, when I specifically laid out ways that people COULD afford it.
If you're really that concerned, how about you get rid of the minimum wage, unemployment, social security, and every other entitlement, and you just might see factories being built here! FFS
leeknivek 3 weeks ago
@MitchofSmeg As for healthcare - you have no right to that, either. Government spending on healthcare, just like college grants, raises the price. Why would those companies settle for less when they know they can receive more? Now, even with that slight government intervention - how can the poor and middle class afford health insurance or college?
leeknivek 4 weeks ago
@leeknivek I mean seriously, education in the US is shocking, theres even a damn culture of "dont trust the educated" for fucks sake.
MitchofSmeg 4 weeks ago
@VanessaAKnox you are really really stupid :) good luck in life...
orangeman6870 1 month ago
"Education is our passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to the people who prepare for it today." - Malcolm X
VanessaAKnox 1 month ago
WHAT THE HELL GOES ON IN YOUR HEAD?! THAT'S NOT THE SYSTEM ANYONE GREW UP WITH!!!!!!!!!! Thank you, Ron Paul. You're making the Republican party look so bad that Obama will win the election.
mwregents101 1 month ago
I agree! I think we should allow people to choose where they want their children to go to school, the type of education they want, etc.. I know people who didn't make it pass the 8th grade who are smarter than those who went to college.
JoyceJeffersonTV 1 month ago
@JoyceJeffersonTV Right, because people will be able to choose when they can't afford $20k+ a year to send their kid to college.
DotDotDotDotDot 1 month ago
WHAT! HIS TUITION WAS 350$ A SEMESTER!! WHAT!!!!!!!!!! HOW CHEAP! I think Ron Paul is right about inflation and how government involvement is only pushing prices of education up and up whilst quality goes down and down.
iTitanium 1 month ago
@iTitanium
Then you can go to private school, and see how much cheaper that is compared to public
taledarkside 1 month ago
@taledarkside I did guy to a private/catholic school. it wasn't very expensive 2K per month. in my country. I wouldn't of wanted to go to a public school because the government has made a mess of the public school system..
But he was talking about medical school (university) contrast he 350$ per month for a medical degree in contrast the the one I'm doing.. I'm paying 3 grand per semester and this isn't even a good degree...
iTitanium 1 month ago
@iTitanium
And people were paid 2 dollars an hour when Ron Paul was in school, and today that is almost 9 dollars. School is still affordable today, people don't need private school to get an education.
And the ony people who can't get jobs are the ones that pick stupid degrees in college. Degrees like art and social "......"
taledarkside 1 month ago
@taledarkside The reason people were paid "2$" and hour and things cost A LOT LESS was because of inflation partly because of government being so big spending/printing so much money debasing the currency , cost of living was low back then and wages and salaries of the people were much higher in contrast to cost of living back then.
And I agree with you, I'm sitting on a B/ARTS because I have no clue on what career path I want to take. Might just drop out find full time work until i do.
iTitanium 1 month ago
@iTitanium
Cost of living is cheap today. maybe you should actually compare it.
A computer back then would cost 5,000 dollars, a computer today would cost 500 dollars. A television cost few thousand, when you can get one today for 100 dollars.
Bachelor of Arts is a useless degree. You are better off going to school to become a plumber, hvac, carpenter, mechanic, if you are not too smart to be an engineer.
taledarkside 1 month ago
@taledarkside Technology like Computers isn't a good example of cost of living because in recent year computer technology and TV technology becomes cheaper to produce as it advances a good example is plasma TV's they were super expensive when they first came out now their not. using Energy and food is a better measurement, and i agree B/A is useless, i'll most likely drop out and get a full time job untill I figure out what Career I want to do :D
iTitanium 1 month ago
@iTitanium
Technology is still expensive each year because it is new technolgy. Faster computers not the same slow computer from last year.
back in the 1950s, people saved for 5 years to buy anything. Today people can buy it with a week's paywage.
taledarkside 1 month ago
school is run by the government. wow, is ron paul a fucking retard
taledarkside 1 month ago
@taledarkside Oh I see, so it's just a coincidence that as government involvement in education has increased, quality of US education has decreased. They are not correlated at all, makes perfect sense. How about you actually research the validity of this claim before you jump the gun and assume it's nonsense.
MrTheKatalyst 1 month ago
@MrTheKatalyst
government involvement has been the same. I work with the school system, so I already am informed more than you are.
you watching couple youtube videos isn't research
taledarkside 1 month ago
@taledarkside And Ron Paul wants to remove the department of education so that school ISN'T run by the government. Wow, you're a fucking retard.
Benidictusify 1 month ago
@Benidictusify
who you gonna run public school?
wow, you're fucking retarded
taledarkside 1 month ago
this is a complex issue. but ron paul is correct.
HbarMagnus 1 month ago
What people forget is that the pilgrims on the Mayflower did NOT build a village and sow a field when they arrived in America. They got lucky and found a Native American village which had been cleared of people by small pox brough over from Spain. Squanto happened to be there b/c he was taken as a slave and escaped back to New England. So even the pilgrims needed help. That's American to take help when its there.
BeautyByJennaLeigh 1 month ago
Ron Paul is wrong! Education is not a right??!!! What he is basically saying is that only rich people are entitled to and education. He went to school 100 years ago. Inflation is never going to go away because supply and demand are not going away. Ron Paul needs to take an economics class.
BeautyByJennaLeigh 1 month ago
@BeautyByJennaLeigh i don't know where to start this. public schools are really bad right now. and there's no school choice. Americans scored 25th place on an international test out of 100 countries.
HbarMagnus 1 month ago
@BeautyByJennaLeigh He's saying government shouldn't be involved in subsidising education, prices go up quality goes down even you can't deny that.
Under stand man you don't have a right to a service or good or someone else's money.. but that doesn't mean nup poor kids no school for you!
He even said it loans could be made through the university as a solution. Don't forget that uni's offer scholarships to people that work hard in their studies.
iTitanium 1 month ago
@BeautyByJennaLeigh wrong! Look at the rest of the world and look back to us. Education is not a right! What makes you or me better than someone born in the 3rd world? Instead of people getting an education, you're just a statistic in some big ass class that's completely impersonal. IF PEOPLE SHOW POTENTIAL, THEN THEY GO TO COLLEGE. Look at some of the people at the frat houses. Do they belong in college? Look at people getting degrees in random shit. Do they in college?
HappyGuitarGuy 3 weeks ago
@HappyGuitarGuy j
Ron Paul isn't talking about college, he is talking about grade school up to high school, which he wants to eliminate.
taledarkside 3 weeks ago
@BeautyByJennaLeigh this world doesn't need more sociology or physiology majors. What makes Japan so great? It's competition. Survival of the fittest. Ron Paul knows exactly what this country needs, but damn liberals and retarded republicans can never see what's good for them until it's too late.
HappyGuitarGuy 3 weeks ago
Perfectly said.
phlather 1 month ago
@sw33tdr34m5 you tried to make a simple fact compelex and it is not ,unless the meaning of loan has changed from what it was fifty yrs ago you dont have a leg to stand on.
rawbrutaltruth 1 month ago
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gwangjuboy1 1 month ago
Yes Ron, you have the right to own a gun just, not a right to learn how to spell it.
It's amazing that Paul and his worshippers can go around boasting they're for personal liberty, yet they won't equip people with the tools necessary to exercise that liberty (education, sound infrastructure, health care to name a few items).
route99 1 month ago
@route99 Well said!
BeautyByJennaLeigh 1 month ago
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QuantumDisciple7 1 month ago
Ever since the government got involved in schools 30 or so years ago, the price for education has gone up and the level of intellectual competency has gone down dramatically. Kids are dumber and more broke than before the government got involved. Slave horses for corporate is what the people are becoming and it must be overturned!!! Ron Paul supports and upholds the "document" that one written by some of America's finest historical figures in order to prevent the shit were in now.Time to listen!
QuantumDisciple7 1 month ago
And people want this faggot to win? Go suck dick Ron Paul!
TheReaderWriter 1 month ago
why dont the lips match the words? that worries me
claytonsautoglass 1 month ago
@claytonsautoglass Its out of Sync, videos get like that sometimes.
DandaMagi 1 month ago
his argument is phony. a loan is a loan it all hass to be paid back...it is not a hand out.
rawbrutaltruth 1 month ago
@rawbrutaltruth He's talking about government loans which are financed by tax pay in that scene you're "handing out" someone else's money cash since government produces nothing and has nothing.
Its different when private entities give loans.
iTitanium 1 month ago
@iTitanium once again a loan is a loan if u you dont understand the term has not change since i went to grade school they must not be doing a good job educating today.to try to redefine it to fit your contextual argument is useless. who backs what is not the issue, a loan has to be paid back ,and therefore is not a hand out, mabey a baker can explain that to those of u who would try that argument there......smile.
rawbrutaltruth 1 month ago
I'm a junior in Electrical Engineering at a big research school and completely support Ron Paul. People don't need to jump into universities right away and take classes they failed in high school. Start off at community colleges where the education is probably even better since you have smaller classes and more attention, and then move off to big universities. The tuition for college varies, but I think many people, ages 18-25, can afford 3 thousand dollars a year tuition for an AA degree.
HappyGuitarGuy 1 month ago
@HappyGuitarGuy You have obviously never had any hardships. Some people do good to get food on the table. Some people lose their parents and have no one to help them. Some people have disabled parents whom they have to support. Under RP not only would those people not have a right to healthcare which goes against "LIFE, libery and pursuit of happiness" in the constitution but they would also not have any means to get an education to better their situation. INHUMANE!
BeautyByJennaLeigh 1 month ago
@BeautyByJennaLeigh All of those things can be accomplished by local charities, and that is much more effective then government force feeding it to us. You realize that local charity has gone down recently due to the fact that it is much harder in our current financial state to support charity, right? You realize our financial state is a direct result of bad economics, right? You are implying anybody who supports RP is inhumane, which is a very incorrect over-generalization.
MrTheKatalyst 1 month ago
@MrTheKatalyst
RP wants to stop feeding the world, which will many people to starve to death. so yes, supporting RP is inhumane.
taledarkside 1 month ago