@bacaca88 The southern part of the country is one of the most dangerous place to live for centuries and nothing has changed unless the Muslim rebels discontinue their fight for separate state. Peace talks is nothing new...it's their way to suspend the violence and conflict while training more new recruits to prepare for more assaults later on. This will never end, more lives will have to perished until anything significant event occurs.
@purehuman why don't you just go home and get on with your life. This conflict is the longest in modern history and will keep on running for centuries until the oligarch controlling the GRP admit that fighting is not the right way to resolve the important issues in Mindanao/Sulu. You and your crap colonial Spanish culture are the problems - not the peoples of Sulu.
@bacaca88 longest in your own creation. DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS. you're talking about managing problem when in fact you can't even manage your own SMALL GROUP. move on brother.
@purehuman Your words have been the same for 3 years and achieved nothing. Your oligarch pupet masters have achieved nothing but war and deaths for decades - world leaaders in killing and misery. The GRP continues this conflict to line their pockets with blood money and to draw the United States to the Philippines to give them military support and cash to keep them powerful - just like in Vietnam in the 60's.
Why arent the world doing somthing... why arent american and the spanish helping the philippines like they helping Afganistan.. at least they could help Philippines after they had own us.. :(
@TheYellowpage1 because ,the World, knows that the GRP is corrupt and main cause of conflict even theough they don't make this public. You are either ignorant or stupid because you follow a stupid GRP line which is based upon lies and greed. Go educate yourself and understand the reality of the situation
There should never be a Muslim sub-state in Mindanao and Christians living there will be subjected to Shara laws, this will only exacerbate the situation. Learn from countries in Middle east like Iran where public executions are spectacle. Infidelity, apostasy, drug dealing will be dealt with harshly under Islamic laws. The sovereignty of the Phil will suffer if the government agree with the MILF demands. There is no solution except for MILF to disband, integrate and live a normal life in peace!
kevinHarrdy <---- an idiot kind of racist , what kind of question was that? your a non-thinking asshole that has a primitive mind who's still uses religion to discriminate .
hahahaha
terrible mind settings of filipinos, mostly from luzon .
PEACE a big joke in mindanao, after ww2 allied wins and peace reign on earth, in order to have peace in mindanao gov't must fully eradicate insurgentts. but how if officers in the military is selling their front liners just like what happened in the lamitan siege, like the pabaon scandal. now china is invading our lands were doomed!
@jopalox2 You are a dickhead idiot. The Moro helped the allies in many ways that you seem oblivious to; you think that you know everything. You just look at the small picture from your ignorant viewpoint. You are just one of thousands of ignoramus, poorly educate Filipinos who contribute to ongoing conflict and death. You should take more time to educate yourself above the crap education you got in the Philippines c/o your oligarch controllers.
FUCK the PHilippine military!!! they are killing Civillan people because they cant kill REBELS or MILF coz they are running back when the war starts!!!
they didnt use their trainings because of they're scared to die!!!
GO MILF GO MINDANAO!! we need the independence in MINDANAO ALLAH HUAKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK the PHilippine military!!! they are killing Civillan people because they cant kill REBELS or MILF coz they are running back when the war starts!!!
they didnt use their trainings because of they're scared to die!!!
GO MILF GO MINDANAO!! we need the independence in MINDANAO ALLAH HUAKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mpakinson manood ka ng balita, kung ano pinag gagawa ng mnga muslum brothers mo. bago ka mag comment comment jan. tama bang mag pugot ng ulo ng isang SUNDALO na isang human being? kaya lumalala gera e, hindi na pang tao ang way of fighting nyo. tsaka marami akong kaibigan na muslim na ARABO kaya calma kalang sa pagbabasa nito. :]
@mpakinson LOL !!..who likes to hide in the jungles of Mindanao ? these Moros are the ones doing it, have they won any large battles against the Philippine military ?..the answer is never, they're only good at attacking small army patrols, killing captured soldiers and civilians, and beheading people..independence you say, when given the opportunity the Muslims proved that they can't govern themselves, look at the ARMM, it's a big mess !!! Despite billions of pesos in national and foreign aid..
Unfortunate, but the case of the Ampatuans alone shows the seeming lack of zeal of Muslims to uphold sharia law in the states under the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao. Sharia law demands that Muslims are tried under sharia courts, but no one has been heard to correct this error. Not even Muslims.
@PilipinoCorruption ampatuan is a "boy" of the GRP against the Moro resistance in mindanao, in fact the weapons and their ammunition was clearly came from AFP arsenal. Ampatuans is never be a part of MILF sharia law, the Government of the Philipines support this group in terms of financial and arsenal. can you say they are one with the MILF? it rather shows that GRP doesn't have a capacity to control their evil private armies like ampatuans.
@smugler2011, there is no denying the culpability of the Ampatuans, particularly the recent statements of Lintang Bedol (COMELEC election supervisor) of Arroyo's election frauds. My point is that all Muslims should have cried out loud the lack of jurisdiction of the court in Quezon city, chaired by a Christian (a djhimmi), to try a special (sharia) court when both parties are residents of the ARMM and are Muslims.
@smuggler2011, another point is that the ARMM's creation is provided for under Aquino's constitution and acknowledges the existence of the Bangsa Moro nation, as defined by Professor Nur Misuari. That the 13 provinces and cities defined by the Tripoli Agreement was respected. That plebiscites may be held to determine that a province or a city be incorporated under the ARMM. My point is that the law is good, be it sharia or not, a law is supposed to deliver justice and fairness.
@smuggler2011, in that sense, if I get what is due me as fair, even under sharia law, I will abide by it. If as a djhimmi, I steal in the territory of the ARMM where sharia law is implemented, I should not cry foul if after I am found guilty, my finger or fingers will be cut.
Muslims AND Cristians. And not only in Manila. I´m a catholik foreigner (called "alien" or HEY JOE even I´m not american) but I´m ashamed for my religion when I see these philippine hardcore christians who lie, steal take advantage and betray every day and whenever there is a chance and then just go to church and pray for forgiveness. I have friends here. Muslims and christians and I must say that a muslim never took advantage of me. It´s all a matter of acceptance and respect.
@klaus150365 Right, it is a matter of acceptance and respect. If your experience with Muslims and the general population's experience converge at some point, then I may consider that I might have erred or tooo harsh for quoting what I know about muslims.
You were never aware that the muslims in mindanao do not tolerate other religions in the land. There had been beheadings in the past that involved members of the Jehovah's Witnesses. In Indonesia, about 2 yrs ago, 3 girls who were decapitated.
@jurbinsky77 ....I forgot to mention that I live in MINDANAO and they tolerate ME. And I´m German and not a Muslim. People have to learn to see the individual person. Not what religion somebody belongs to. There are assholes in each nation and religion. You say 2 years ago 3 girls were decapitated. That is a shame, indeed and there is no excuse. But do you know what U.S. Soldiers are doing in Iraq and ALSO in Zamboanga? They just hide their crimes friend.
@klaus150365 I don't know your agenda but I am telling you my experience liviing and working with muslims is substantially long. I read their Quran and studied islam for sometime. It is not about assholes in religion but you have to check the fundamental treaching of the religion. By the way for me, the term religion is the relationship of man to his God.
I know muslims pretty well, likewise when you say your a German, the very first image that comes to my mind , is hitler and the nazis.
@jurbinsky77 you shor yourself to be a big liar and idiot to post this. You do not understand or appreciate Isam. You do not also understand that the conflict is not so much about religion, but about the rights of the legitimate indigenous peoples of the islands called the Philippines to protect their lands against invaders. If you are caring then you can realise this. If not, take your twisted religious ideals and go join some US cult.
@bacaca88 Who the hell are you to call others ignorant just because they disagreed with you ?..This country spends billions of pesos on a Muslim autonomous region and gets nothing in return, initiated countless peace talk with the Muslims to no avail and yet it spends money on madrahsas, helps Muslims pilgrims get to Mecca, allows polygamy, Sharia courts..which side has a track record of attacking while negotiating, violating peace terms and so on ?..
@MultiGunner666 Stop spending the money and sending people to die needlessly. Make the same efforts to bring the conflict to a peaceful conclusion. Educate yourself regarding the original cause of this conflict and the despicable way in which the Spanish, Americans and GRP has behaved agains the indigenous populations in Mindanao and Sulu. Find and read a copy of the MOA-AD which your court system (aka usual oligarch names) kicked out. Than we can talk some more.
@jurbinsky77 Im sorry, im an Indonesian and you are not telling the whole story to what was happening in my country . Isnt it very obvious that everything you know is what your media told u. If you are talking about muslim, it means you are talking about something bigger than just Manila and the problems are more complicated than u thought but if you are talking about mindano muslims, you should take their demand seriously than what their religion is, Otherwise you can start the WW III.
@jurbinsky77 Believe me, you cant just wipe out 1,3 billions muslims. Furthermore, i want u to take notice and read some more about Indonesian conflict history, it is always happening where the muslims are the minorities and the issues not even religion. I my self come from Sumatera where the majority is muslim and religion clash never happen there.
Mga taga Luzon at Visayas. Don't take this lightly. Baka sunod eto na mangyari : Mindanao (Muslim Rule) vs. Luzon and Visayas. Katulad ng Yugoslavia at India/Pakistan. Junk MO-AD !!!
@randomxax .......sana bagoi mangyari yan.......mag-TSUNAMI na para magsi-urungan ang kanilang mga bayag sa takot at MAMATAY na LAHAT sa KALAMIDAD ang mga naging SANHI ng KAGULUHAN.
@bacaca88 You're bias similar to most Muslims from middle east who prefer fellow Muslims impose their extreme ideology of violence rather than integrate in a peaceful civilized society. You don't see the majority of Moros struggle due to this long conflict. The new BIFF represents the Islamic radicals based on Kato's terrorist tactics he already displayed. Some who joined his group are former Ampatuan militants who might be responsible for the Maguindanao massacre.
@Flipsify i wondered why you're trying to highlight the issue of BIFF since it was a mild and a rejected proposal of shiek umbra kato. calling them Islamic radicals; linking them to ampatuan's lost command forces and etc.
this issue is not anymore existing since it was already rejected by the MILF-BIAF central committee, and most of katos' loyal soldier are also against about the creation of BIFF unit even it is under the MILF central committee.
i thought that you are a well informed individual but linking the katos' unit to ampatuan goons is doubtful idea. i dont want to think that you are inventing your own story to demonize the katos' unit in order to question the MILF credibility to settle this problem trough peace negotiation.
ampatuan group and the MILF specially the katos' group are not one and can not be one. you already know that MILF is against human aggravation compare to apatuans goons. it is stupidity to link them.
but for the seek of dribbling the ball, i understand that your intention is to demonize the entire Moro resistance.
we are also a skeptical about the sincerity of the GRP to settle the issue trough peace process, the list of (IMT) thousands of AFP violation during the peace talk is a sign of lack of sincerity.
but it look like there is a bias in the media publishing the katos invented mistakes and justifying the AFP violations, can i call that impunity?
@Flipsify regardless of GRP lack of sincerity, the MILF is still optimistic to solve this problem through peace process, lobbing the EU, USA, KSA, GCC, many countries like japan, Libya, Brunei, Netherlands and some international organization which is recognize by the international community TO MONITOR the implementation of the future and the past deal.
it is hard to be a victim again like what the GRP did in the MOA-AD.
i think what is good for us is to support the peace talk.
Their credibility to enter a peace agreement with GRP is again a question unless they can resolve Kato's insubordination, disband his group or surrender him over to the AFP. If they can do this instead of all talks perhaps GRP will make any consideration.
@Flipsify if you read history, then you realise that your position has come to zero time and time again. There will be more conflict in Mindanao because you and people like you continually blame GRP policy failures on the Moro. If you expect that the Moro will split and give up their own due to your demands, then keep dreaming. You should try and show some respect and humility from now on.
If any MILF commander wants to split and defiant against the MILF central committee coz his followers want to continue to fight for separate state similar to MILF's main objective for splitting from MNLF, they have no option but to accept the fact coz there is no cohesiveness among their group. There is no way a thousand MILF fighters join Kato's BIFF without the knowledge of their main command.
Moro people now is aware of the GRP tricks, there trust to the government was almost vanish.. it is not good, if the peace talk will continue to fall because of the GRP dirty tricks, there are more Moro radical groups will exist, a group that cant be controlled by the MNLF or by the MILF anymore., we dont want that to happen. there are still good place and a time to settle this problem peacefully, stop using any propaganda's to fool the people.. support peace talk!
BIFF can be a slogan to promote war here in mindanao and to leave the peace talk. base on d ground news, there is no splitting of troops,, kumander katos just want to create his own unit, d BIFF but still under d MILF Central Command. it can not be called a "splitting",and beside, this issue was already settled, katos initiative to create his BIFF unit was rejected by the MILF central Committee specially by the Bangsamoro Islamic Armed Force Officers. so that is not anymore an existing issue,
If BIFF is now totally broken off from MILF and happens to clash with the AFP ( BIFF is not covered by SOMO ), then MILF should remain neutral to show they are genuine for peace talks and that this split is not another mere tactic to deceive GRP again.
BIFF should be eradicated before any MILF/GRP peace agreement is concluded. This is the only solution.
There will be major reform soon to prevent such as the Maguindanao massacre last year. I wont be surprise not just the MNLF benefited from its establishment but also the MILF to supply their weapons and recruitment of more rebels, not what GRP expected when signed that agreement.
There is a current discussion that ARMM, resulted from GRP/MNLF peace agreement, is nothing but a failed state. The resources poured by GRP into it brought more instability and corruption other than progress that benefits notorious militias and warlord politicians like the Ampatuans.
Maybe they can fool the government once before, but not the second time..this war is not a game when many lives are involved. The MILF should settle their own conflict with BIFF before sitting down in a negotiating table with GRP.
The real problem is on the Muslim rebels side, MILF broke away from MNLF before they reached an agreement with the GRP and now the former MILF commander Kato and his followers, who want separate Bangsamoro homeland, just founded Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF) after they broke off from MILF.
There seems to be a pattern of splitting into two groups when the main group is ready to sign an agreement with the GRP's terms and condition. This cycle must end if they want lasting peace.
Filipinos should realize that the value of human lives will never be replaced, people living in war torn areas have been traumatized for so long which is why regardless of ethnic or religious background, indigenous or not, they should set aside their differences and hope positive result will finally come out in this peace negotiation.
The comprehensive compact submitted by the MILF will be extensively reviewed by GRP. The MILF can better negotiate with the new president whose father before he was assassinated, have deep respect for Muslims as evident on his speech in 1981 in Dallas Texas.
These government sponsored militias, CAFGU, other paramilitary units, Ilaga and other vigilante groups add more violence to already unstable Mindanao regions can be disbanded. As long as there's proliferation of arms and weapons in the society, people feel unsafe.
There is a problem of corruption in GRP, also in the AFP . On the other hand the MILF have known to be connected to terrorist organization, ASG but there still a chance for both side to come to terms and build a better future for Mindanao. All hostility and bad elements will gradually disappear if all ethnic groups feel a sense of security if the new president is determined to make that happen but it will take time and strong support
Peace will never be achieve if all those involve in this conflict continue to have bad blood among each other instead of reaching compromise towards friendship, cooperation and start their deep wounds heal.
but since it is hurts for you to accept that facts, i know you will find a reason to justify that crime, so what is the point of discussion?
we're promoting peace but you mentioned a lot of issue against MILF, if you dont trust the MILF then what you want? i dont know either you want peace or you want war.
if you want peace, we are ready for peace..
if you want to kill us all, we hate war but we dont have option but to defend our self.
AFP general is corrupt, PNP general and now a senator is mastermind of syndicate and organize crime, the so called ARMY+POLICE of the country from head to foot is well known corrupt, most of them are product of PMA which is a proud military academy of the Philippines. when they go to battle, they raped woman, they burned houses, they killed civilians and they call that unintentional.
but since they are in the side of the Government, they are above the law.
killing people inside the mosque during the Muslim Friday prayer is unacceptable to say unintentional. burning of houses can not be considered as unintentional..
i know it is hurts for you to accept the truth that AFP is a most brutal criminal here in mindanao but that is the truth, the situation is not just moros was abused, even the lumads, and some communist Filipinos. but AFP is very good in lie, there is no justice because the government itself is a mastermind of the crime.
i suggest for you to research the story of ILAGA militiamen which is organized by the AFP, now they are absorbed by the AFP under the cloths of CVO-CAFGU.
dont expect any justice because the impunity is very clear since the beginning of Philippine annexation of Moro homeland.
better if will not urged me on this matter, me my self is a victim of a situation like this, my uncle was killed and humiliated last 2002 by the AFP-CAFGU, as a said, impunity is clear in the side of the AFP.
Anyone could have worn a military uniform that did those massacres to implicate the AFP to instigate retaliation and animosity towards the military, a perfect recruiting tool by the MILF. There has been none arrested and convicted guilty for those massacres. This happens in any developing countries for lack of police force to protect civilian population.
People can be easily persuade by their own kind even there was no truth ot it.
I won't be surprise that what you mentioned is also what most Moros have learned from other radical Muslims that spread human rights violation against them even there was no proof to justify the MILF's atrocity. They were only speculations who did the massacres because of the unreliable judicial system, lack of police force and investigation to bring the real perpetrators to justice although I believe there were Moro civilians killed unintentionally by AFP during combat operation..
me my self is a grandson of one of the victim in Manili massacre, manili carmen north cotabato. 72 people was killed like a beast inside the mosque, as i said, there is a lot of Moro massacre in this place, and the GRP+AFP+Militias are not stopping this atrocities, just a few this ago..in the same province of north cotabato when the attacked the armless farmers. if we will count the human violation, we will end up only to endless civil war. i hope it will not happened. please be optimistic,
you can not simply wash the hand of GRP and its AFP + militias, all of their barbaric attacked to the Moro people was documented.
there is no justification to the massacre they have done to the Moro people.
you insist so much that MILF can not control its commander.
what about the AFP militias, the ILAGAs, they are terrorizing Moro civilian under the baptize of the AFP, do we need to dig all of human rights committed by the both side instead of talking about how to attain peace?
Moro people has been terrorized by the AFP with no justification, just a few days ago, not even a couple of week when the AFP and its paramilitias attacked the armless farmer in Mlang (ipol) north cotabato,
you know, 3000 pages of book is not enough to write the Human right violation committed by the AFP to the Moro people..not just a simple attack of certain villages, but massacre, torture, rape and a lot of human right abuse with clear impunity..i think you are very aware of this.
if you prefer to talk about negative image of the MILF, i think i know a lot, Moro people was terrorized by the GRP trough its AFP anfd paramilitary group. i think you know the reason why this MNLF and MILF has erupted so past, it is because of series of massacre in the side of Moro people, example the Jabidah massacre 7o moros died, tacub massacre 495 moros was helplessly killed by the AFP, manili massacre, 72 moros was killed by the AFP inside the mosque.. compare it to the MILF defensive move
I prefer a peaceful solution but there should be a mutual agreement. that depends primarily on the leaders on both sides. There are certain factors that can hinder any peace agreement that must be eliminated and considered before initiating a genuine agreement. First, MILF can not ask similar to certain provisions in MOA-AD they know it will be problematic or all they're doing is buying time to recruit more members.
People whose family members were intentionally killed and those who are now displaced as the result of their actions live in fear as long as they exist. Maybe the MILF is trying to change its image but the damage have been done. As long as there are young Moros who are continued to be radicalized by MILF supporters willing to join their cause, expect the same instability and economic struggle in conflict areas in Mindanao for years to come.
i spoke a lot of Filipinos, different opinion, some of them agrees that it can be solve trough peace process, dother says, it can be solve if d MILF will surrender (with out considering the fact that there are still next generation that will continue d struggle) but most of d Filipinos when you read the other page suggested that d better idea is to nuke all the Moros, kill them all" or send them 2 outer space..but you? it look like you are one of those who want to solve this problem trough war.
i will say it again, MILF leadership and the lower member like me are looking so much for a way to solve this problem peacefully,
"trying to find a bad smell in the side of the MILF to cover the peace process and change it to war policy is a very common and old tactic of the hypocrites"
may sinaunang kasabihan "kung ayaw, madaming dahilan, kung gusto, madaming paraan" as we can see, it is the MILF who strgle to find a way to peace process while the GRP are looking a reason to stop it..
MOA-AD was formulated by the 2 parties, the GRP panel and the MILF, it is a big insult two the GRP that there panel has agree with a deal with in 14 years with out thinking that they are steeping outside the constitution. AGAIN that is not a fault of the MILF so yout blame the MILF for the un-constitutional job of the GRP panel.
what is a very clear is that MOA-AD either un-constitutional or not but it is still a product of 14 years negotiation..can you blame the MILF?
first of all, the MILF is a revolutionary group who's doesn't under by the Philippine constitution.
it is not a problem of the MILF if the GRP negotiator has bi-passed the constitution.
in a logical thinking, it is expected that BJE is un-acceptable to the Filipinos, thats why there is a war. but the MILF leadership has trying so much to settle this problem trough peace process and to secure the implementation of the deal by collecting numbers of witness from different country.
@farmville14 The MILF consider themselves a revolutionary group but to most Filipinos, they are just a group of common criminals for committing kidnappings, atrocities and disruption of people's lives in Mindanao to spread their agenda. Maybe the rogue commanders have done these unjustifiable violence against innocent civilians without the consultation of the main MILF committee but they have responsibility to control all their commanders so they are accountable for all their actions.
The MILF should know now that it will take immense processes and support from the Congress, various business organization or the majority of Filipinos to amend or revise the Constitution to conform with their significant demand that will transform southern parts of the country into federal states.
The MILF are outnumbered by the AFP but GRP have been passive towards more aggression to minimize casualties of this conflict and give them chance to reconsider peaceful solution other than bloodshed. They are not in position to tell GRP conditions of an agreement on their term.
As you know, the Constitution will not allow a separate BJE and undermine the sovereignty of the state.
The MILF put themselves in that situation as enemy of the state since they isolated
themselves from the MNLF who had signed peace agreement with the GRP. Many of MNLF members were given lands, money and given an opportunity to join the AFP. However, many are still not contented. They breached the peace agreement by supporting MILF during their clash with the AFP. So why should GRP
trust the MILF knowing that all what their counterpart have done only played a role of a bait for them?
MILF is open for peace talk. it is a very good opportunity for us to leave in peace.
we still believe that the MILF can manage their elements aside from the other faction like MNLF and Abu sayaf. it has been tried in years of 90s and the time of GMA. so why dont we chose this peace process?
are we still believe that killing all MILFs is an inevitable way to solve the problem?
it has been tried, this formula (war) is not a good way.. it doesn't work, it is a catastrophe.
D length of areas to be agreed as a part of future agreement can be discussed in D table not in D fool battle.
but it is unreasonable to blame D MILF for D number of terrorist group in D Philippines. MILF is not a protector of Abu Sayaf but it is also not an enemy in fact some members of MILF are relatives and a friend of some Abu Sayaf. but it is not mean that D growing number of terrorist is a fault of the MILF. it is a product of AFP lack of capacity to suppress the criminals like abu sayaf.
regarding Malaysian facilitation, it think that is not a big question because there are another member of IMT like japan, Britain, KSA, Brunei and other countries plus a numbers of international NGOs. but it look like the GRP is using their gap between the Malaysians the dribble the ball.
this is not a question of facilitator but a question of sincerity. it has been seen how many times the GRP deceived the Moro people, from the Tripoli agreement, and now the MOA-AE. it is unacceptable.
there was a series of consultative assembly in the side of the bangsaomo people since the beginning of the MNLF to MILF struggle. MOA-AD is a well known deal to the bangsamoro people, if it was concealed to the Filipino people for the period of 14 years, then that will be a fault of the GRP not just GMA but including ESTRADA and the president ahead of them.
it is not a fault of the MILF that the Filipino people was not informed, it might be a planted plan of the GRP to deceive the MILF.
If the MILF are serious in achieving peace, they should be considerate that majority of Mindanao is now occupied by diverse ethnic groups dominated by non-Muslims before entering peace agreement, without this consideration conflict will resume. Not all Bangsamoro support the MILF's stance, they just want to live in peace.
Whatever dialogue between the MILF and GRP should not be concealed from the public similar to what GMA's administration did in MOA-AD. Not just the predominantly Catholic/Christians in Mindanao but all Filipinos have the rights according to Freedom of Information Act in the Constitution, another reason why it was declared unconstitutional.
I don't think GRP will allow anymore unilateral agreement without asking a significant demand from MILF to decommission all their weapons or help GRP capture a known terrorist group members or leader of the ASG, who they have ties with if they want a positive result in their dialogue. Now there's commander Kato to contend with before they reach an agreement. This could be an impossible task or challenge on the MILF's part
Peace talks have been going on since the 60's, the GRP know that Malaysia has a substantial interest in their negotiation with the MILF which is why this neighboring country is not reluctant in counseling the MILF what demands should be added in provisions of an agreement but there's never been transparency on GMA's part. She prolonged the peace talks during her term to contain the MILF from attacking more innocent civilians but to no avail, one reason why MOA-AD was declared unconstitutional.
we can see how this MILF leaders tried to forward the peace talk, it is a big opportunity to settle this problem trough peace process, not to sabotage it by deceiving the MILF or the public.
if i will be asked, i will support the peace talk,
i am an MILF, i am not afraid to go to war but we believe that it is good for everyone to solve this problem trough peace process.
we dont want to see a lost control fighter like in Somalia, afghan or in Iraq.. MILF is a freedom fighter not a terrorist
Malaysia should not be involve in facilitating the peace negotiation if they instigated the Muslim rebellion in Mindanao. Marcos was in pursuit of Sabah as part of Phil. territory but a bungled operation attempt to invade and reclaim Sabah on behalf of the Sultan of Sulu backfired after the Jabidah massacre, Malaysian government could be behind the massacre. Now they're using the MILF to create chaos to deter foreign investors in Mindanao and divert them to their country instead.
@Flipsify Malaysia was invited by former president GMA to facilitate the peace talk between the GRP and MILF, they are not the one who volunteered to interfere.
ESTRADA might be one of the most anti MILF leader but the problem is he maybe destroyed some part of MILF bases but he fueled the anger of millions of Moro people ,
the result is the strength of MILF increased from 6 division to 18 division..
it shows only that that brutality is never be a way to solve the problem.
as of the very fresh news from the MILF body, Kato doesn't pursue his plan to create separate arm wing (UNDER THE COMMAND OF MILF CENTRAL Committee) BECAUSE 99.99% of his elements and commanders doesn't agree on that proposal. so that is not anymore an existing issue..
the visible problem now is; if the genuine, the real and the effective formula for this problem can not be solve ASAP, the moro people are losing their trust to the sincerity of the GRP
d visible problem now is; if the genuine, d real and the effective formula for this problem can not be solve ASAP, the moro people are losing their trust to the sincerity of the GRP in the peace talk.
Moro anger is increasing day by day, once their trust to GRP will vanish, i think even d MILF, the MNLF can not control them. we still thankful because there is an MNLF or MILF who organize ds people who are hungry for freedom.
why dont we support to d MILF peacetalk with d GRP if we love peace?
The MNLF succeeded in acquiring their demand that resulted in ARMM. The MILF want more than what MNLF got from GRP based on MOA-AD but that was during GMA's term. Now they're hoping they can achieve a positive outcome with Noynoy in this coming peace negotiation but the breakaway of commander Umbra Kato from the MILF will surely derail this peace talks. It's a similar situation in the past when MILF broke off from MNLF lead by Sheikh Salamat Hashim. Can GRP trust MILF with this type of tactic?
Personally I'm not in favor of Erap but despite his allege corruption during his term, why did he lead the 2010 Philippine presidential election votes over Noynoy in majority of provinces in southern Mindanao?
The fact is majority of people in Mindanao want a leader to resume his policy against the MILF. They know he's always been right that there will be no economic progress in Mindanao for as long as the MILF exist to destabilize the region.
this is the kind of leaders you want me to praise? corrupt? bias?
do you think is it acceptable as a top leader of the country, a christian country to be womanizer? and the money he used for his lust was taken from the tax of the Filipinos? to be a drunkard? and they spent the Filipino tax to buy expensive alcoholic beverage..to be a gambler? a protector of illegal gambling? what more? to be a representative of anti Muslim inside malacannang?
i salute both of AFP Gen Angelo Reyes and former AFP chief of staff and Philippines President ERAP Estrada for their knowledge in corruption. Estrada was convicted for how many years, and as of the very fresh news, his general was committed suicide to runaway
ang mahirap kasi dito may mga brothers tayong muslim gusto ng kapayapaan pero meron tklagang political group na gusto lang sarilinbg kapakanan.. tingnan nyo, gaya kay nur misuary binigay sa kanya ang autonomiya ng ARMM anong ginawa inabuso, sa mga ampatuan nag hasik pa rin ng lagim. iba kasi ang mind set ng ibang muslim brothers natin kung papatuloy ang warlord mentality nila wala talagang mangyayari...
@goodwaterj tama ka jan, actually hindi lang sila ang Moro na nasa POWER na umaabuso ng kapangyarihan para sa kanilang sariling layunin. kung tutuusin isa sila sa masamang halimbawa at masasabing insulto sila sa lipunan.
pero kung titingnan, kahit man sa governo. si erap may kasong plunder, si angelo reyes may kasong corruption, asawa ni GMA my kasong corruption, si dating PNP GEN at senator LACSON my kasong sendicate at drug trafficking, isa lang sila sa mga nakikita pero mas madami pang iba.
@goodwaterj pero sinu si datu andal? isang aso ng mga corrupt ni pangulo gaya ni erap at GMA,
sinu si missuari? isang pinuno ng Moro sepritiest na sumuko sa pamahalaan at sa huli ay nag paka "tuta" sa pamahalaan para sa napakaliit na pangarap, maging governor.
sinu si tamano, si dilangalen, si dimaporo, si datumanong, LAHAT SILA AY MGA MORO NA nagpapakaligaya sa pagiging "tuta" ng pilipinas.
kabilang ba sila sa hanay ng MORO struggle para gawing halimbawa?
ang sakim ay hanggang ngayon lang wala ng bukas, walang inisip na kinbukasan, walang pakialam kung ano ang mangyari, basta ngayon gusto nya gugustuhin nya. wala siyang pakialam kahit maubos pa at walang matira sa kalahi nya. ayoko ng ganun, pwede naman mag aral at magamit sa takdang panahon, maangkin ang adhikain na hindi ubos ang kalahi,walang nasayang na buhay sa walang kwenta gyera.
@jewel0426 palagay ko kailangan mong basahin isa isa ang mga komento ko dito sa pahenang ito tapos gumawa ka ng sagot mo na naayun dito.
pangalawa, sa pananaw mo na hindi kristiano ang Fililpino, buamalik ka sa HEKASI at alamin mo kung sinu at kaninung at bakit binansagan ang dating (indios) ng Filipino at at kaninung pangalan galing ang salitang PHILIPPinas?
pangatlo, ang Moro ay hindi saklaw ng Geberno ng mga dayuhan at kaya may GIRA kasi ayaw nila magpasakop!
@jewel0426 masasabi ko lang sayo, comment ka ng comment pero hindi mo yata binasa ng maayus ang mga old post ko kaya out of coverage ka. kung gusto mo mag comment basahin mo ng maayus ang mga dati kong komento tas saka ka sumagot.
mahal ko ang lugar natin, pero hindi sa lahat ng adhikain ay makuha sa dahas, madalian,at maging marahas, sabi ko kailangan ng pagmamahal, didikasyon, pasinsya, tapat, bukas ang isipan. kung ganun ang gagawin natin hindi sana nasayang ang buhay ng iilan nating kalahi. tama po ba ako. ang produkto ng gyera ang yumaman ang tagagawa ng baril o gamit ng gyera, tayo naman nauubos ang lahi natin. sa pagdating ng panahon ubos ang lahi natin hanggat hindi tapos ang gyera.
kung lahi lang natin,kung tayo tayo lang kaya na ba nating tayo lang? mayron ba tayong kapasidad na magtayo ng factory, pagawaan ng damit? pagawaan ng kung ano ano? baka kainin natin iyon at lalapit tayo sa ibang lahi para magtayo sila sa atn ng mga pagawaan. isipin mo munang maigi, pag aralin muna natin yung mga kalahi ntin par pagdating ng panahon kaya na nating magsarili. kasi may kapsidad na tayo kahit hindi na lalapit sa ibang lahi.
kabayan walang tao na kayang mabuhay dito sa mundo na mag-isa. kaya itigil na natin iyang mga lahi-lahi na iyan,
tignan mo nga yang suot mo?gamit mo? at iyong mga bagay bagay na nasa iyong paligid gaya ng sasakyan,baril at kung ano ano pa, gawa ba ng lahi natin iyan? made in bangsa moro ba iyan?
kung lahi lang natin at wala tayong pakialam sa iba wala kang computer ngayon na ginagamit, wala kang damit na gawa sa ibang lahi. para umulad yung lahi natin isipin mong ngang maiagi.
yung kongresman na galing sa atin na dapat sila ang isang makatulong sa atin sila sana ang gumawa ng batas para sa atin, ilan ba ang kongresman na galing sa atin? kung pagtutulungan ayos sana, kaya nga tinawag na rep. eh. para gumawa at ilabas kong ano yong batas na nababgay sa atin. ginagamit lang tayo ng mag iyan para sa sarili din nila. bakit ba kailangan pa ng gyera nandyn naman ang mga iyan
hindi pa ba sapat iyong tayo din ang humawak ng lokal? o sadyang may sakim lang na gustung sarili lang ang iniisip. dami ng namatay dahil sa walang kwenta, may rep. tayo sa konggreso galing sa atin, bakit hindi nila kayang gumawa ng batas para unti unting isabatas na hihiwalay tayo sa pilipinas, ano ba ang ginagawa nila? isa rin sila sa atin hindi po ba? bakit? baka naman ung mga taong yan ayaw pa nilang gumawa ng batas na para sa atin
walang sinabi na kristyano ang pilipinas, yan ang isaksak mo sa kukuti mo, freedom nga ang tawag doon. subrang dami ng lahi o tribu, ano pa ba ang gusto mo? nandyan naman sa constitution na bigyan ng laya at irispito ang bawat isa. hindi mo ba maintindihan iyon? o sadyang sarado lang ang iyong isipan.
hindi ko masabi na may mali,pero tignan naman natin, kapwa natin pilipino ang pinahirapan sa labanan, na imbis na pinaintindi natin na tayo ay pagmamahal at para tanggapin nila na ito tayo hindi marahas,mapagmahal kasi yon ang tinuru sa atin. sa saudi arabia pinakita nila ang pagmamahal kaya tanggap ng tao kristyano na yumakap na isang maging muslim.
@jewel0426 KASI kung pag uuspan nating ang relihyon, saan ba nagmula ang KRISTIANO? s ROME, PAYAG KA BA na palayasin sa pilininas at papuntahin ng rome? di ka din pwdi pumumta sa CANAAN kasi palalayasin ka ng mga hudyo.
kailangan kopa bang ipaliwanag sayo ang ibig sabihin ng FILIPINO? ng salitang Bangsamoro? kung nag aral ka ng kasaysayang ng Pilipinas, sana mag dalawang isip kang tawagin akong Filipino, at kung isa kasa mga kalahi ko, sana kilabutan ka sa pagtawag mo sa sarile m ng Filipino.
alam naman natin na ang tunay na naninirahan sa mindanao ay iyong native gaya ng aeta,subanin,etc.... ang pinakasintro ng muslim ay sa makkah, saudi arabia, then pano mo masabi na tayo ang mamahala?tayo ang nauna, isa din tayo sa mga pilipino. hindi natin kailingan ang marahas, sa saudi arabia daming christian na tumanggat at naging muslim,dahil hindi nila dinaan sa dahas. niligyan nila ng love para tanggapin ng isang tao.
@jewel0426 alamo kababayan wala pong aeta sa Mindanao, nasa bandang luzong po merun..iyong iba tinatawag na baluga, ibaloy at kalahan. kung tinutukoy mo ang mga neitbong item, sa panay bago dumating ang sampong tribo (ngayun mga ilonggo) ay mga nakatira ng mga item, ang tribo ni datu marikudo.
sa Mindao hindi aeta ang tawag sa kanila, mga MANUBO.
at para lalo mong maintindihan hindi usaping ng relihyon gaya ng ISLAM OF KRISTIYANISMO ang usapan dito kung di ang LAHI.
Alam mo farmville wala namang ibang nakaupo sa lokal na namamahala sa mindanao,tayo lang galing sa mindanao, "GOVERN" yon ba ang gusto? sino ba ang namamahala sa mindanao? hindi ba taga mindanao din. isispin mo ngang maigi, pa english-english kapa kasi hindi mo rin naintindihan.
@jewel0426 i will make it very short.. alamo ba ang ibig sabihin ng "central government"?
tinatanung mo ako?
yup naiintindihan ko ang sinasabi ko ako may sabi eh "ndi ko alam ikaw kung naintindihan mo".
sory din sa English, English sila mag salita eh kaya English din sagot ko peo if ndi ka nakaka intindi, pwidi din me mag bisaya, ilonggo or any of my native language.
ndi ko sinasabing mali ka pero ndi mo din masabi na mali ako kasi lahat ng sinabi ko basi sa actual at totoong nangyari.
Hindi ako sang-ayon sa iyo kababayan, hindi totoo ang sinsabi mo, isa rin ako na tubung mindanao, sa totoo lang sa atin din nagsimula ang gulo. tignan natin yong sarili natin kong nakatulong ba yong ginagawa natin. muslim sa muslim nga hindi magkasundo dahil sa tribu.
Flipsify go to d conflict affected areas and ask d people their. most of the collateral damages was made by d AFP, i wish to inform you again that since 2000, more than hundred thousands of Moro houses they burned. a huge number of brutal human right abuse like summary killing, cold blood, rape, adultery, salvage, etc. blasphemy, disrespect of Moro culture and until now they the one who always violating d peace negotiation. it s good if u inform them not to disrespect the result of peace talk.
@farmville14..what happened in 2000 was the result of president Estrada's 'all out war' against the MILF to finally end the conflict when his administration invested more resources in the AFP. Your comments here are not based on facts but a fabrication. Several MILF camps, including Abubakar, were captured and AFP have driven the MILF rebels to remote regions..Erap's Mindanao policies was contrasted by Arroyo's policies when she took over the following year.
In my opinion despite Erap's deficiency during his term, he's always been right to say that there will be no economic progress in Mindanao for as long as rebel groups such as the MILF would be left alone to destabilize the region.
you must be obsessed listening a news about war in Mindanao since you just seating in front of TV or Radio but d people like me who suffer protecting d Moro people against AFP barbaric attacks, we always say we hate war but we dont have a choice but to defend our people and d remaining lands left to us.
war is not a funny game. this between life and death, and we didn't love ds.
but we can not let d Filipinos to continuously occupy us and threat as like aliens.
we can say, the Filipinos can defame the truth by changing the history and by demonizing the Moro freedom fighters like MNLF and MILF. the assurance that the Moro cant win to have a freedom on their homeland but, this Moro will not stop resisting against the Filipino illegal annexation to the Moro homeland and we are sure that this war will not stop.
we have to chose.
1. let the bangsamoro to govern their ancestral homeland with Peace and security or
there will be an endless debate when we talk about the Bangsamoro right to self determination. of course this Filipino settlers will not allow the Bangsamoro people t have an iota of right to govern their ancestral land. they continuity find a way to cover the truth and to deceive the moro people. but what must be the big deal is the past, the present and the future of this country.
I hope for a Mindanao republic, simply because Luzon's are full of corrupt officials that no cares for the Mindanao-ans, they are Puppets for foreign policies.
We should not entertain anymore the demands of these moro's as they already manifested by declaring theme selves to be moro's only...wtf..? They are opportunist people and greedy. As they say they are not true Filipinos the only ethnic Filipinos are Aetas, lumads, mangyans and the igorots etc....These moro's came from Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia.......Our government should exert an extra effort to neutralize these insects in the Philippines....
This prolonged war has done nothing positive to southern Mindanao except disrupt peace and impede economic development. There will be progress and peace if only MILF demobilize and refrain from more extorting demands of proportion similar to MOA-AD or submit to whatever conditions and offer by the GRP on their next peace agreement.
This prolonged war has done nothing positive to southern Mindanao except disrupt peace and impede economic development. There will be progress and peace if only MILF demobilize and refrain from more extorting demands of proportion similar to MOA-AD or submit to whatever conditions and offer by the GRP on their next peace agreement this year.
@farmville14 "intended only for defensive and counter attack moves"? How about not attacking the innocent civilians who are not involve in this war?
I hope this time the MILF will honor their agreement with the GRP, Agreement on the Civilian Protection Component of the International Monitoring Team (ACPC-IMT). Moros /non-Moros have been severely affected when fighting is taken in their towns, villages, youtube is full of documentary regarding renegade MILF commanders atrocity on civilians
now you are talking about who is a first inhabitant of MINDANAO, why dont we talk about the whole country like raja sulaiman and raja lakandullah of of -(emannillah-faith to allah)- (intra-MOROS) now known as manila, datu lapu lapu of cebu which is also a muslim, datu puti, datu paduhinog, datu marikudo and datu sumakwil of panay, sultan kudarat of maguindanao, sultan jamal alkhiram of sultinate of julo..
that can give you a simple basis on who is the first inhabitant of this country.
i have been with the CPP and i know their principle and ideologies,i can say that i am capable to compare this factions base on rational understanding not just by programed and prejudice ideas like what you want to inflict with the moro people.
i was in the city for this past week to settle some business matters.
your comments is a "parrot word" and un-supported by clear facts which made me to think that your claim is bias and unacceptable.
Through PEACE? Why not laid down your weapons and leave harmoniously with the peace loving people of Mindanao.
This DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS keep on crying their own understanding of history while ALL OTHER ETHNICS GROUPS of our country are living harmoniously with each other.
You know WHAT BROTHER? MUSLIM ARE NOT THE FIRST INHABITANTS OF MINDANAO... move on.
Because if this MUSLIM REBELS are not capable of PEACE. Still, ALL OUT WAR IS THE BEST OPTION.
Look how they resolve land dispute between members of this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE MUSLIM REBELS. They Kill each other.
Look at the vast idle land of Basilan. There is constant violence among MEMBES OF THIS DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS who claim must of the land there.
and again, you talk about MILITARIZATION, wiping us all, killing us all, etc.
i hope you change you mind to settle this problem trough peace.
war is very dreadful formula that will bring us all into chaos.
but again, if your (FILIPINOS) only solution is to wipe us all (MILF+MOROS), then we dont have a choice but to defend our self, our people, our homeland and to ensure our survival.
although we hate war but if you put as to the corner, what is the use of our BIAF defender.
judging your comment. i can conclude that you doesn't have knowledge on the Moro Struggle.
i will give you some reason why they want to separate.
1. Moro is just and occupied territory, they are Moro in nationality not Filipino although they used Filipino since their is no moro nationality (yet) recognized by the IC.
2. Annexation of Moro Homeland in the Philippines is illegal because the Moro leaders at that time was not consulted regarding the annexation of the Moro homeland.
there are only one in a thousand of FILIPINOS who accepted the Moros as equal to them, instead, majority of them thinks that Moro is a Malaysian, Indonesian or any terrorist group that does not belong to this place and must be removed.
the Filipino government has a 70 years plan to secure all moro remaining land (you can find that book in north cotabato provincial capitol-library).
The MUSLIM rebels are not acknowledging the Republic of the Philippines....
They want their own separate ISLAMIC State.
Why don't they just go to Iran, Afghanistan, Islamic Pakistan or Indonesia to be with thier Muslim Brothers? They dont want Progress on their own Region.....thats why the FUCKIN' war keeps going on...
you know what YOU should be very ashamed comparing this groups to your DOGMA & IGNORANCE... though they action is not justify they DON'T DEMAND ISOLATION unlike this Muslim Rebels?
what?
ex: pentagon 3, their purpose is to kidnap for ransom similar to the CIA created abu sayaf.
magdalo group: to bring down the regime of any president they dont like.
CPP-NPA: to transform the democracy into communist-socialist country.
i wonder why should be ashamed of fighting my right n a rightful manner, trough peaceful settlement.
and why it is shameful to speak about oppression, colonization, humiliation and why it s shameful to defend our survival?
we are living peacefully but our home land was grabbed by this Filipino occupier and when we defend our right, they said WE ARE NOT CAPABLE OF LIVING LIVING WITH THIS PEACE LOVING PEOPLE.
who is the peace loving anyway? the grabber or the owner?
if this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS are not capable of living harmoniously with the PEACE LOVING PEOPLE OF MINDANAO... the best option is ALL-OUT WAR to wipe out this Muslim Rebels.
one legacy former Pres. Estrada left was nearly wiping out this Muslim Rebels but blessing in disguise because of issues of corruptions, Muslim Rebels was jubilant when his term was cut short... hehe
again... with all the rhetoric, constants complaint about almost everything this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS demands boils down to ONE THING... they KEEP ON CRYING they own Mindanao. They keep on claiming that they OWN MINDANAO.
imagine what kind of BRAINS this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM has. While every ethnic groups in our country are working to strengthen our sovereignty, a strong united Philippines, this MUSLIM REBELS KEEP ON CRYING TO DIVIDE MINDANAO.
hehe logical you said? like what? you keep on DEMANDING YOU OWN MINDANAO coz you claim your the first inhabitants on it, cmmon. very DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS
you know what YOU should be very ashamed comparing this groups to your DOGMA & IGNORANCE... though they action is not justify they DON'T DEMAND ISOLATION unlike this Muslim Rebels.
what is that you KEEP ON CRYING ALL DIS YEARs? land grad, colonizer, history, what else? and your solution is what? divide Mindanao. dream on
mentioning about the CPP-NPA, i have been with them a number of years and i know their ideology and methods. the C.B.S.G, Pentagon 3 kidnap or ransom group,
Magdalo Group who hostage the civilians in OAK WOOD, did you saw that building erected along ayala avenue?
i was thinking of how can you say they are fighting in civilized way accusing the MILF as DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS while the general view is you doesn't have enough knowledge on the both topic.
so far i dont have a reason to accuse you of being programed.
you accused of everything, -not capable of living in peace etc etc, to the fact that while we are talking about peace settlement then you are talking about coming up an all out what promoting the convicted corrupt, womanizer, drunkard and undergrad president of the GRP.
you can not even justify my claim about the barbaric manners of the GRP and the FILIPINO occupiers and you keep demonizing the Moro people particularly the MILF Moro defenders. do you want to say that the AFP and their Militias are not guilty of abusing Moro masses trough massacre, salvage, summary killing, rape, etc. and do you want to say that the Filipino are not guilty of grabbing the ancestral land of the moro people?
you keep mentioning about DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS you still dont have mention any rational reason except for the reason that they are using history to support the Moro claims, accusing them because they want to regain the Moro right to self determination from their own ancestral land.
accusing them as ignorant because they know what is their right,
i hope you can cite a rational basis to support your claim, to make me interested reading your comment.
with your INSISTING DEMAND THAT YOU OWN MINDANAO that's between our Government & this DOGMATIC IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS.
ALL-OUT WAR if this MUSLIM REBELS are not capable of living harmoniously with the peace loving people of Mindanao.
you should be thankful that our Gov't action towards this MUSLIM REBELS are calibrated & controlled. you know exactly what happen to your camp when former Pres. Estrada campaigns all out war... your thankful his term was cut short.
this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS have all the GUTS to compare themselves to the Communist Party of the Philippines. this people are not DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE... they don't DEMAND for themselves... unlike YOU who keep on ISOLATING MINDANAO, this CPP want to strengthen the Political System of our country UNLIKE YOU who want to divide it.
unfaithful government, land grab, colonizer, militias, history... this are all you KEEP ON CRYING... & your solution is to OWN MINDANAO.
coming from your OWN this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS are really not capable of living harmoniously with the PEACE LOVING PEOPLE OF MINDANAO.
are you NOT ASHAMED you keep on CRYING that you own MINDANAO coz' your the first inhabitants of it. the lumads/native are there before you came in DOGMATIG & IGNORANCE MUSLIM REBELS.
i am not crying with my history, it is to support my claims.
it is hard to speak a lot of thing specially to accuse someone with out rational basis.
out of impartialism can be resulted to being one-sided that's why i always include my authenticated support to my claims first of all to convinced any one that my claim is justified not just my own invented stories, in fact when you go to the ground, you can prove that my claim is base on true story.
@robhinful in other words, you"re teling me,that all muslims are terrorist . I dont meant to offend muslim religion . get your facts right
jeamysea 2 weeks ago
what a mutha fucking shame. stupid pilipino got nothin better to do but killing innocent people. bad people.
robhinful 1 month ago
@bacaca88 The southern part of the country is one of the most dangerous place to live for centuries and nothing has changed unless the Muslim rebels discontinue their fight for separate state. Peace talks is nothing new...it's their way to suspend the violence and conflict while training more new recruits to prepare for more assaults later on. This will never end, more lives will have to perished until anything significant event occurs.
Flipsify 2 months ago
U.S. Gov't want to preserved this IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS. They love WAR AND CONFLICTS.
purehuman 3 months ago
@purehuman why don't you just go home and get on with your life. This conflict is the longest in modern history and will keep on running for centuries until the oligarch controlling the GRP admit that fighting is not the right way to resolve the important issues in Mindanao/Sulu. You and your crap colonial Spanish culture are the problems - not the peoples of Sulu.
bacaca88 2 months ago
@bacaca88 longest in your own creation. DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS. you're talking about managing problem when in fact you can't even manage your own SMALL GROUP. move on brother.
purehuman 2 months ago
@purehuman Your words have been the same for 3 years and achieved nothing. Your oligarch pupet masters have achieved nothing but war and deaths for decades - world leaaders in killing and misery. The GRP continues this conflict to line their pockets with blood money and to draw the United States to the Philippines to give them military support and cash to keep them powerful - just like in Vietnam in the 60's.
bacaca88 1 month ago
WAR is not really the solution in any conflict.
MrSilenceify 4 months ago
Why arent the world doing somthing... why arent american and the spanish helping the philippines like they helping Afganistan.. at least they could help Philippines after they had own us.. :(
TheYellowpage1 4 months ago
@TheYellowpage1 wy would we help them.... again...
plus they talk shit on us
let them fend off for them selves, til they crawl on their knees begging, then ill kick their ass
hooah
smellmyclock 4 months ago
@TheYellowpage1 why should they? we should help ourselves
hof2x 3 months ago
@TheYellowpage1 because ,the World, knows that the GRP is corrupt and main cause of conflict even theough they don't make this public. You are either ignorant or stupid because you follow a stupid GRP line which is based upon lies and greed. Go educate yourself and understand the reality of the situation
bacaca88 2 months ago
There should never be a Muslim sub-state in Mindanao and Christians living there will be subjected to Shara laws, this will only exacerbate the situation. Learn from countries in Middle east like Iran where public executions are spectacle. Infidelity, apostasy, drug dealing will be dealt with harshly under Islamic laws. The sovereignty of the Phil will suffer if the government agree with the MILF demands. There is no solution except for MILF to disband, integrate and live a normal life in peace!
Flipsify 5 months ago
@Flipsify so what?
bacaca88 2 months ago
kawawa naman ang mga aso ng gobyerno,
qurtubie 6 months ago
kevinHarrdy <---- an idiot kind of racist , what kind of question was that? your a non-thinking asshole that has a primitive mind who's still uses religion to discriminate .
hahahaha
terrible mind settings of filipinos, mostly from luzon .
tsk3 wake up !!
MrDickheadsman 6 months ago
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MrDickheadsman 6 months ago
PEACE a big joke in mindanao, after ww2 allied wins and peace reign on earth, in order to have peace in mindanao gov't must fully eradicate insurgentts. but how if officers in the military is selling their front liners just like what happened in the lamitan siege, like the pabaon scandal. now china is invading our lands were doomed!
jopalox2 7 months ago
@jopalox2 You are a dickhead idiot. The Moro helped the allies in many ways that you seem oblivious to; you think that you know everything. You just look at the small picture from your ignorant viewpoint. You are just one of thousands of ignoramus, poorly educate Filipinos who contribute to ongoing conflict and death. You should take more time to educate yourself above the crap education you got in the Philippines c/o your oligarch controllers.
bacaca88 5 months ago
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FUCK the PHilippine military!!! they are killing Civillan people because they cant kill REBELS or MILF coz they are running back when the war starts!!!
they didnt use their trainings because of they're scared to die!!!
GO MILF GO MINDANAO!! we need the independence in MINDANAO ALLAH HUAKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mpakinson 7 months ago
FUCK the PHilippine military!!! they are killing Civillan people because they cant kill REBELS or MILF coz they are running back when the war starts!!!
they didnt use their trainings because of they're scared to die!!!
GO MILF GO MINDANAO!! we need the independence in MINDANAO ALLAH HUAKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mpakinson 7 months ago
@mpakinson manood ka ng balita, kung ano pinag gagawa ng mnga muslum brothers mo. bago ka mag comment comment jan. tama bang mag pugot ng ulo ng isang SUNDALO na isang human being? kaya lumalala gera e, hindi na pang tao ang way of fighting nyo. tsaka marami akong kaibigan na muslim na ARABO kaya calma kalang sa pagbabasa nito. :]
xXw4l4b2Xx 6 months ago
@xXw4l4b2Xx Itanong din natin sa mga "peaceful" muslims kung bakit pinugutan din ng ulo ang tatlong mga miyembro ng Jehovah's Witness church?
Doon nga sa Indonesia, tatlong batang estudyante ang pinugutan din ng ulo.
Talagang makahayop ang mga iyan.
jurbinsky77 5 months ago
@mpakinson LOL !!..who likes to hide in the jungles of Mindanao ? these Moros are the ones doing it, have they won any large battles against the Philippine military ?..the answer is never, they're only good at attacking small army patrols, killing captured soldiers and civilians, and beheading people..independence you say, when given the opportunity the Muslims proved that they can't govern themselves, look at the ARMM, it's a big mess !!! Despite billions of pesos in national and foreign aid..
MultiGunner666 2 months ago
Unfortunate, but the case of the Ampatuans alone shows the seeming lack of zeal of Muslims to uphold sharia law in the states under the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao. Sharia law demands that Muslims are tried under sharia courts, but no one has been heard to correct this error. Not even Muslims.
PilipinoCorruption 8 months ago
@PilipinoCorruption ampatuan is a "boy" of the GRP against the Moro resistance in mindanao, in fact the weapons and their ammunition was clearly came from AFP arsenal. Ampatuans is never be a part of MILF sharia law, the Government of the Philipines support this group in terms of financial and arsenal. can you say they are one with the MILF? it rather shows that GRP doesn't have a capacity to control their evil private armies like ampatuans.
smugler2011 8 months ago
@smugler2011, there is no denying the culpability of the Ampatuans, particularly the recent statements of Lintang Bedol (COMELEC election supervisor) of Arroyo's election frauds. My point is that all Muslims should have cried out loud the lack of jurisdiction of the court in Quezon city, chaired by a Christian (a djhimmi), to try a special (sharia) court when both parties are residents of the ARMM and are Muslims.
PilipinoCorruption 6 months ago
@smuggler2011, another point is that the ARMM's creation is provided for under Aquino's constitution and acknowledges the existence of the Bangsa Moro nation, as defined by Professor Nur Misuari. That the 13 provinces and cities defined by the Tripoli Agreement was respected. That plebiscites may be held to determine that a province or a city be incorporated under the ARMM. My point is that the law is good, be it sharia or not, a law is supposed to deliver justice and fairness.
PilipinoCorruption 6 months ago
@smuggler2011, in that sense, if I get what is due me as fair, even under sharia law, I will abide by it. If as a djhimmi, I steal in the territory of the ARMM where sharia law is implemented, I should not cry foul if after I am found guilty, my finger or fingers will be cut.
PilipinoCorruption 6 months ago
@PilipinoCorruption Check who are the smugglers, hold-uppers and street thieves in Manila?
jurbinsky77 5 months ago
@jurbinsky77
Muslims AND Cristians. And not only in Manila. I´m a catholik foreigner (called "alien" or HEY JOE even I´m not american) but I´m ashamed for my religion when I see these philippine hardcore christians who lie, steal take advantage and betray every day and whenever there is a chance and then just go to church and pray for forgiveness. I have friends here. Muslims and christians and I must say that a muslim never took advantage of me. It´s all a matter of acceptance and respect.
klaus150365 5 months ago
@klaus150365 Right, it is a matter of acceptance and respect. If your experience with Muslims and the general population's experience converge at some point, then I may consider that I might have erred or tooo harsh for quoting what I know about muslims.
You were never aware that the muslims in mindanao do not tolerate other religions in the land. There had been beheadings in the past that involved members of the Jehovah's Witnesses. In Indonesia, about 2 yrs ago, 3 girls who were decapitated.
jurbinsky77 5 months ago
@jurbinsky77 ....I forgot to mention that I live in MINDANAO and they tolerate ME. And I´m German and not a Muslim. People have to learn to see the individual person. Not what religion somebody belongs to. There are assholes in each nation and religion. You say 2 years ago 3 girls were decapitated. That is a shame, indeed and there is no excuse. But do you know what U.S. Soldiers are doing in Iraq and ALSO in Zamboanga? They just hide their crimes friend.
klaus150365 5 months ago
@klaus150365 I don't know your agenda but I am telling you my experience liviing and working with muslims is substantially long. I read their Quran and studied islam for sometime. It is not about assholes in religion but you have to check the fundamental treaching of the religion. By the way for me, the term religion is the relationship of man to his God.
I know muslims pretty well, likewise when you say your a German, the very first image that comes to my mind , is hitler and the nazis.
jurbinsky77 5 months ago
@jurbinsky77 you shor yourself to be a big liar and idiot to post this. You do not understand or appreciate Isam. You do not also understand that the conflict is not so much about religion, but about the rights of the legitimate indigenous peoples of the islands called the Philippines to protect their lands against invaders. If you are caring then you can realise this. If not, take your twisted religious ideals and go join some US cult.
bacaca88 2 months ago
@bacaca88 Who the hell are you to call others ignorant just because they disagreed with you ?..This country spends billions of pesos on a Muslim autonomous region and gets nothing in return, initiated countless peace talk with the Muslims to no avail and yet it spends money on madrahsas, helps Muslims pilgrims get to Mecca, allows polygamy, Sharia courts..which side has a track record of attacking while negotiating, violating peace terms and so on ?..
MultiGunner666 2 months ago
@MultiGunner666 Stop spending the money and sending people to die needlessly. Make the same efforts to bring the conflict to a peaceful conclusion. Educate yourself regarding the original cause of this conflict and the despicable way in which the Spanish, Americans and GRP has behaved agains the indigenous populations in Mindanao and Sulu. Find and read a copy of the MOA-AD which your court system (aka usual oligarch names) kicked out. Than we can talk some more.
bacaca88 2 months ago
@jurbinsky77 Im sorry, im an Indonesian and you are not telling the whole story to what was happening in my country . Isnt it very obvious that everything you know is what your media told u. If you are talking about muslim, it means you are talking about something bigger than just Manila and the problems are more complicated than u thought but if you are talking about mindano muslims, you should take their demand seriously than what their religion is, Otherwise you can start the WW III.
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@jurbinsky77 Believe me, you cant just wipe out 1,3 billions muslims. Furthermore, i want u to take notice and read some more about Indonesian conflict history, it is always happening where the muslims are the minorities and the issues not even religion. I my self come from Sumatera where the majority is muslim and religion clash never happen there.
bima1979ol 1 month ago
Mga taga Luzon at Visayas. Don't take this lightly. Baka sunod eto na mangyari : Mindanao (Muslim Rule) vs. Luzon and Visayas. Katulad ng Yugoslavia at India/Pakistan. Junk MO-AD !!!
randomxax 10 months ago
@randomxax .......sana bagoi mangyari yan.......mag-TSUNAMI na para magsi-urungan ang kanilang mga bayag sa takot at MAMATAY na LAHAT sa KALAMIDAD ang mga naging SANHI ng KAGULUHAN.
spacej0ckey 8 months ago
@bacaca88 You're bias similar to most Muslims from middle east who prefer fellow Muslims impose their extreme ideology of violence rather than integrate in a peaceful civilized society. You don't see the majority of Moros struggle due to this long conflict. The new BIFF represents the Islamic radicals based on Kato's terrorist tactics he already displayed. Some who joined his group are former Ampatuan militants who might be responsible for the Maguindanao massacre.
Flipsify 11 months ago
@Flipsify i wondered why you're trying to highlight the issue of BIFF since it was a mild and a rejected proposal of shiek umbra kato. calling them Islamic radicals; linking them to ampatuan's lost command forces and etc.
this issue is not anymore existing since it was already rejected by the MILF-BIAF central committee, and most of katos' loyal soldier are also against about the creation of BIFF unit even it is under the MILF central committee.
farmville14 10 months ago
i thought that you are a well informed individual but linking the katos' unit to ampatuan goons is doubtful idea. i dont want to think that you are inventing your own story to demonize the katos' unit in order to question the MILF credibility to settle this problem trough peace negotiation.
ampatuan group and the MILF specially the katos' group are not one and can not be one. you already know that MILF is against human aggravation compare to apatuans goons. it is stupidity to link them.
farmville14 10 months ago
but for the seek of dribbling the ball, i understand that your intention is to demonize the entire Moro resistance.
we are also a skeptical about the sincerity of the GRP to settle the issue trough peace process, the list of (IMT) thousands of AFP violation during the peace talk is a sign of lack of sincerity.
but it look like there is a bias in the media publishing the katos invented mistakes and justifying the AFP violations, can i call that impunity?
farmville14 10 months ago
@Flipsify regardless of GRP lack of sincerity, the MILF is still optimistic to solve this problem through peace process, lobbing the EU, USA, KSA, GCC, many countries like japan, Libya, Brunei, Netherlands and some international organization which is recognize by the international community TO MONITOR the implementation of the future and the past deal.
it is hard to be a victim again like what the GRP did in the MOA-AD.
i think what is good for us is to support the peace talk.
farmville14 10 months ago
Their credibility to enter a peace agreement with GRP is again a question unless they can resolve Kato's insubordination, disband his group or surrender him over to the AFP. If they can do this instead of all talks perhaps GRP will make any consideration.
Flipsify 11 months ago
@Flipsify if you read history, then you realise that your position has come to zero time and time again. There will be more conflict in Mindanao because you and people like you continually blame GRP policy failures on the Moro. If you expect that the Moro will split and give up their own due to your demands, then keep dreaming. You should try and show some respect and humility from now on.
bacaca88 11 months ago
If any MILF commander wants to split and defiant against the MILF central committee coz his followers want to continue to fight for separate state similar to MILF's main objective for splitting from MNLF, they have no option but to accept the fact coz there is no cohesiveness among their group. There is no way a thousand MILF fighters join Kato's BIFF without the knowledge of their main command.
Flipsify 11 months ago
Moro people now is aware of the GRP tricks, there trust to the government was almost vanish.. it is not good, if the peace talk will continue to fall because of the GRP dirty tricks, there are more Moro radical groups will exist, a group that cant be controlled by the MNLF or by the MILF anymore., we dont want that to happen. there are still good place and a time to settle this problem peacefully, stop using any propaganda's to fool the people.. support peace talk!
farmville14 11 months ago
BIFF can be a slogan to promote war here in mindanao and to leave the peace talk. base on d ground news, there is no splitting of troops,, kumander katos just want to create his own unit, d BIFF but still under d MILF Central Command. it can not be called a "splitting",and beside, this issue was already settled, katos initiative to create his BIFF unit was rejected by the MILF central Committee specially by the Bangsamoro Islamic Armed Force Officers. so that is not anymore an existing issue,
farmville14 11 months ago
If BIFF is now totally broken off from MILF and happens to clash with the AFP ( BIFF is not covered by SOMO ), then MILF should remain neutral to show they are genuine for peace talks and that this split is not another mere tactic to deceive GRP again.
BIFF should be eradicated before any MILF/GRP peace agreement is concluded. This is the only solution.
Flipsify 11 months ago
so... in other words, the communists are fighting under the banner of Islam?
lame...
agumon12 11 months ago
There will be major reform soon to prevent such as the Maguindanao massacre last year. I wont be surprise not just the MNLF benefited from its establishment but also the MILF to supply their weapons and recruitment of more rebels, not what GRP expected when signed that agreement.
Flipsify 11 months ago
There is a current discussion that ARMM, resulted from GRP/MNLF peace agreement, is nothing but a failed state. The resources poured by GRP into it brought more instability and corruption other than progress that benefits notorious militias and warlord politicians like the Ampatuans.
Flipsify 11 months ago
Maybe they can fool the government once before, but not the second time..this war is not a game when many lives are involved. The MILF should settle their own conflict with BIFF before sitting down in a negotiating table with GRP.
Flipsify 11 months ago
The real problem is on the Muslim rebels side, MILF broke away from MNLF before they reached an agreement with the GRP and now the former MILF commander Kato and his followers, who want separate Bangsamoro homeland, just founded Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF) after they broke off from MILF.
There seems to be a pattern of splitting into two groups when the main group is ready to sign an agreement with the GRP's terms and condition. This cycle must end if they want lasting peace.
Flipsify 11 months ago
Filipinos should realize that the value of human lives will never be replaced, people living in war torn areas have been traumatized for so long which is why regardless of ethnic or religious background, indigenous or not, they should set aside their differences and hope positive result will finally come out in this peace negotiation.
Flipsify 11 months ago
The comprehensive compact submitted by the MILF will be extensively reviewed by GRP. The MILF can better negotiate with the new president whose father before he was assassinated, have deep respect for Muslims as evident on his speech in 1981 in Dallas Texas.
Flipsify 11 months ago
agree!
farmville14 11 months ago
These government sponsored militias, CAFGU, other paramilitary units, Ilaga and other vigilante groups add more violence to already unstable Mindanao regions can be disbanded. As long as there's proliferation of arms and weapons in the society, people feel unsafe.
Flipsify 11 months ago
There is a problem of corruption in GRP, also in the AFP . On the other hand the MILF have known to be connected to terrorist organization, ASG but there still a chance for both side to come to terms and build a better future for Mindanao. All hostility and bad elements will gradually disappear if all ethnic groups feel a sense of security if the new president is determined to make that happen but it will take time and strong support
Flipsify 11 months ago
Peace will never be achieve if all those involve in this conflict continue to have bad blood among each other instead of reaching compromise towards friendship, cooperation and start their deep wounds heal.
Flipsify 11 months ago
but since it is hurts for you to accept that facts, i know you will find a reason to justify that crime, so what is the point of discussion?
we're promoting peace but you mentioned a lot of issue against MILF, if you dont trust the MILF then what you want? i dont know either you want peace or you want war.
if you want peace, we are ready for peace..
if you want to kill us all, we hate war but we dont have option but to defend our self.
farmville14 11 months ago
AFP general is corrupt, PNP general and now a senator is mastermind of syndicate and organize crime, the so called ARMY+POLICE of the country from head to foot is well known corrupt, most of them are product of PMA which is a proud military academy of the Philippines. when they go to battle, they raped woman, they burned houses, they killed civilians and they call that unintentional.
but since they are in the side of the Government, they are above the law.
there is no justice for the Moros!
farmville14 11 months ago
killing people inside the mosque during the Muslim Friday prayer is unacceptable to say unintentional. burning of houses can not be considered as unintentional..
i know it is hurts for you to accept the truth that AFP is a most brutal criminal here in mindanao but that is the truth, the situation is not just moros was abused, even the lumads, and some communist Filipinos. but AFP is very good in lie, there is no justice because the government itself is a mastermind of the crime.
farmville14 11 months ago
i suggest for you to research the story of ILAGA militiamen which is organized by the AFP, now they are absorbed by the AFP under the cloths of CVO-CAFGU.
dont expect any justice because the impunity is very clear since the beginning of Philippine annexation of Moro homeland.
better if will not urged me on this matter, me my self is a victim of a situation like this, my uncle was killed and humiliated last 2002 by the AFP-CAFGU, as a said, impunity is clear in the side of the AFP.
farmville14 11 months ago
Anyone could have worn a military uniform that did those massacres to implicate the AFP to instigate retaliation and animosity towards the military, a perfect recruiting tool by the MILF. There has been none arrested and convicted guilty for those massacres. This happens in any developing countries for lack of police force to protect civilian population.
People can be easily persuade by their own kind even there was no truth ot it.
Flipsify 11 months ago
I won't be surprise that what you mentioned is also what most Moros have learned from other radical Muslims that spread human rights violation against them even there was no proof to justify the MILF's atrocity. They were only speculations who did the massacres because of the unreliable judicial system, lack of police force and investigation to bring the real perpetrators to justice although I believe there were Moro civilians killed unintentionally by AFP during combat operation..
Flipsify 11 months ago
me my self is a grandson of one of the victim in Manili massacre, manili carmen north cotabato. 72 people was killed like a beast inside the mosque, as i said, there is a lot of Moro massacre in this place, and the GRP+AFP+Militias are not stopping this atrocities, just a few this ago..in the same province of north cotabato when the attacked the armless farmers. if we will count the human violation, we will end up only to endless civil war. i hope it will not happened. please be optimistic,
farmville14 11 months ago
you can not simply wash the hand of GRP and its AFP + militias, all of their barbaric attacked to the Moro people was documented.
there is no justification to the massacre they have done to the Moro people.
you insist so much that MILF can not control its commander.
what about the AFP militias, the ILAGAs, they are terrorizing Moro civilian under the baptize of the AFP, do we need to dig all of human rights committed by the both side instead of talking about how to attain peace?
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farmville14 11 months ago
Moro people has been terrorized by the AFP with no justification, just a few days ago, not even a couple of week when the AFP and its paramilitias attacked the armless farmer in Mlang (ipol) north cotabato,
you know, 3000 pages of book is not enough to write the Human right violation committed by the AFP to the Moro people..not just a simple attack of certain villages, but massacre, torture, rape and a lot of human right abuse with clear impunity..i think you are very aware of this.
farmville14 11 months ago
if you prefer to talk about negative image of the MILF, i think i know a lot, Moro people was terrorized by the GRP trough its AFP anfd paramilitary group. i think you know the reason why this MNLF and MILF has erupted so past, it is because of series of massacre in the side of Moro people, example the Jabidah massacre 7o moros died, tacub massacre 495 moros was helplessly killed by the AFP, manili massacre, 72 moros was killed by the AFP inside the mosque.. compare it to the MILF defensive move
farmville14 11 months ago
I prefer a peaceful solution but there should be a mutual agreement. that depends primarily on the leaders on both sides. There are certain factors that can hinder any peace agreement that must be eliminated and considered before initiating a genuine agreement. First, MILF can not ask similar to certain provisions in MOA-AD they know it will be problematic or all they're doing is buying time to recruit more members.
Flipsify 11 months ago
People whose family members were intentionally killed and those who are now displaced as the result of their actions live in fear as long as they exist. Maybe the MILF is trying to change its image but the damage have been done. As long as there are young Moros who are continued to be radicalized by MILF supporters willing to join their cause, expect the same instability and economic struggle in conflict areas in Mindanao for years to come.
Flipsify 11 months ago
i spoke a lot of Filipinos, different opinion, some of them agrees that it can be solve trough peace process, dother says, it can be solve if d MILF will surrender (with out considering the fact that there are still next generation that will continue d struggle) but most of d Filipinos when you read the other page suggested that d better idea is to nuke all the Moros, kill them all" or send them 2 outer space..but you? it look like you are one of those who want to solve this problem trough war.
farmville14 11 months ago
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farmville14 11 months ago
i will say it again, MILF leadership and the lower member like me are looking so much for a way to solve this problem peacefully,
"trying to find a bad smell in the side of the MILF to cover the peace process and change it to war policy is a very common and old tactic of the hypocrites"
may sinaunang kasabihan "kung ayaw, madaming dahilan, kung gusto, madaming paraan" as we can see, it is the MILF who strgle to find a way to peace process while the GRP are looking a reason to stop it..
farmville14 11 months ago
MOA-AD was formulated by the 2 parties, the GRP panel and the MILF, it is a big insult two the GRP that there panel has agree with a deal with in 14 years with out thinking that they are steeping outside the constitution. AGAIN that is not a fault of the MILF so yout blame the MILF for the un-constitutional job of the GRP panel.
what is a very clear is that MOA-AD either un-constitutional or not but it is still a product of 14 years negotiation..can you blame the MILF?
farmville14 11 months ago
first of all, the MILF is a revolutionary group who's doesn't under by the Philippine constitution.
it is not a problem of the MILF if the GRP negotiator has bi-passed the constitution.
in a logical thinking, it is expected that BJE is un-acceptable to the Filipinos, thats why there is a war. but the MILF leadership has trying so much to settle this problem trough peace process and to secure the implementation of the deal by collecting numbers of witness from different country.
farmville14 11 months ago
@farmville14 The MILF consider themselves a revolutionary group but to most Filipinos, they are just a group of common criminals for committing kidnappings, atrocities and disruption of people's lives in Mindanao to spread their agenda. Maybe the rogue commanders have done these unjustifiable violence against innocent civilians without the consultation of the main MILF committee but they have responsibility to control all their commanders so they are accountable for all their actions.
Flipsify 11 months ago
The MILF should know now that it will take immense processes and support from the Congress, various business organization or the majority of Filipinos to amend or revise the Constitution to conform with their significant demand that will transform southern parts of the country into federal states.
Flipsify 11 months ago
The MILF are outnumbered by the AFP but GRP have been passive towards more aggression to minimize casualties of this conflict and give them chance to reconsider peaceful solution other than bloodshed. They are not in position to tell GRP conditions of an agreement on their term.
As you know, the Constitution will not allow a separate BJE and undermine the sovereignty of the state.
Flipsify 11 months ago
The MILF put themselves in that situation as enemy of the state since they isolated
themselves from the MNLF who had signed peace agreement with the GRP. Many of MNLF members were given lands, money and given an opportunity to join the AFP. However, many are still not contented. They breached the peace agreement by supporting MILF during their clash with the AFP. So why should GRP
trust the MILF knowing that all what their counterpart have done only played a role of a bait for them?
Flipsify 11 months ago
MILF is open for peace talk. it is a very good opportunity for us to leave in peace.
we still believe that the MILF can manage their elements aside from the other faction like MNLF and Abu sayaf. it has been tried in years of 90s and the time of GMA. so why dont we chose this peace process?
are we still believe that killing all MILFs is an inevitable way to solve the problem?
it has been tried, this formula (war) is not a good way.. it doesn't work, it is a catastrophe.
farmville14 11 months ago
D length of areas to be agreed as a part of future agreement can be discussed in D table not in D fool battle.
but it is unreasonable to blame D MILF for D number of terrorist group in D Philippines. MILF is not a protector of Abu Sayaf but it is also not an enemy in fact some members of MILF are relatives and a friend of some Abu Sayaf. but it is not mean that D growing number of terrorist is a fault of the MILF. it is a product of AFP lack of capacity to suppress the criminals like abu sayaf.
farmville14 11 months ago
regarding Malaysian facilitation, it think that is not a big question because there are another member of IMT like japan, Britain, KSA, Brunei and other countries plus a numbers of international NGOs. but it look like the GRP is using their gap between the Malaysians the dribble the ball.
this is not a question of facilitator but a question of sincerity. it has been seen how many times the GRP deceived the Moro people, from the Tripoli agreement, and now the MOA-AE. it is unacceptable.
farmville14 11 months ago
there was a series of consultative assembly in the side of the bangsaomo people since the beginning of the MNLF to MILF struggle. MOA-AD is a well known deal to the bangsamoro people, if it was concealed to the Filipino people for the period of 14 years, then that will be a fault of the GRP not just GMA but including ESTRADA and the president ahead of them.
it is not a fault of the MILF that the Filipino people was not informed, it might be a planted plan of the GRP to deceive the MILF.
farmville14 11 months ago
If the MILF are serious in achieving peace, they should be considerate that majority of Mindanao is now occupied by diverse ethnic groups dominated by non-Muslims before entering peace agreement, without this consideration conflict will resume. Not all Bangsamoro support the MILF's stance, they just want to live in peace.
Flipsify 11 months ago
Whatever dialogue between the MILF and GRP should not be concealed from the public similar to what GMA's administration did in MOA-AD. Not just the predominantly Catholic/Christians in Mindanao but all Filipinos have the rights according to Freedom of Information Act in the Constitution, another reason why it was declared unconstitutional.
Flipsify 11 months ago
I don't think GRP will allow anymore unilateral agreement without asking a significant demand from MILF to decommission all their weapons or help GRP capture a known terrorist group members or leader of the ASG, who they have ties with if they want a positive result in their dialogue. Now there's commander Kato to contend with before they reach an agreement. This could be an impossible task or challenge on the MILF's part
Flipsify 11 months ago
Peace talks have been going on since the 60's, the GRP know that Malaysia has a substantial interest in their negotiation with the MILF which is why this neighboring country is not reluctant in counseling the MILF what demands should be added in provisions of an agreement but there's never been transparency on GMA's part. She prolonged the peace talks during her term to contain the MILF from attacking more innocent civilians but to no avail, one reason why MOA-AD was declared unconstitutional.
Flipsify 11 months ago
we can see how this MILF leaders tried to forward the peace talk, it is a big opportunity to settle this problem trough peace process, not to sabotage it by deceiving the MILF or the public.
if i will be asked, i will support the peace talk,
i am an MILF, i am not afraid to go to war but we believe that it is good for everyone to solve this problem trough peace process.
we dont want to see a lost control fighter like in Somalia, afghan or in Iraq.. MILF is a freedom fighter not a terrorist
farmville14 11 months ago
Malaysia should not be involve in facilitating the peace negotiation if they instigated the Muslim rebellion in Mindanao. Marcos was in pursuit of Sabah as part of Phil. territory but a bungled operation attempt to invade and reclaim Sabah on behalf of the Sultan of Sulu backfired after the Jabidah massacre, Malaysian government could be behind the massacre. Now they're using the MILF to create chaos to deter foreign investors in Mindanao and divert them to their country instead.
Flipsify 11 months ago
@Flipsify Malaysia was invited by former president GMA to facilitate the peace talk between the GRP and MILF, they are not the one who volunteered to interfere.
ESTRADA might be one of the most anti MILF leader but the problem is he maybe destroyed some part of MILF bases but he fueled the anger of millions of Moro people ,
the result is the strength of MILF increased from 6 division to 18 division..
it shows only that that brutality is never be a way to solve the problem.
farmville14 11 months ago
as of the very fresh news from the MILF body, Kato doesn't pursue his plan to create separate arm wing (UNDER THE COMMAND OF MILF CENTRAL Committee) BECAUSE 99.99% of his elements and commanders doesn't agree on that proposal. so that is not anymore an existing issue..
the visible problem now is; if the genuine, the real and the effective formula for this problem can not be solve ASAP, the moro people are losing their trust to the sincerity of the GRP
farmville14 11 months ago
d visible problem now is; if the genuine, d real and the effective formula for this problem can not be solve ASAP, the moro people are losing their trust to the sincerity of the GRP in the peace talk.
Moro anger is increasing day by day, once their trust to GRP will vanish, i think even d MILF, the MNLF can not control them. we still thankful because there is an MNLF or MILF who organize ds people who are hungry for freedom.
why dont we support to d MILF peacetalk with d GRP if we love peace?
farmville14 11 months ago
The MNLF succeeded in acquiring their demand that resulted in ARMM. The MILF want more than what MNLF got from GRP based on MOA-AD but that was during GMA's term. Now they're hoping they can achieve a positive outcome with Noynoy in this coming peace negotiation but the breakaway of commander Umbra Kato from the MILF will surely derail this peace talks. It's a similar situation in the past when MILF broke off from MNLF lead by Sheikh Salamat Hashim. Can GRP trust MILF with this type of tactic?
Flipsify 11 months ago
Personally I'm not in favor of Erap but despite his allege corruption during his term, why did he lead the 2010 Philippine presidential election votes over Noynoy in majority of provinces in southern Mindanao?
The fact is majority of people in Mindanao want a leader to resume his policy against the MILF. They know he's always been right that there will be no economic progress in Mindanao for as long as the MILF exist to destabilize the region.
Flipsify 11 months ago
this is the kind of leaders you want me to praise? corrupt? bias?
do you think is it acceptable as a top leader of the country, a christian country to be womanizer? and the money he used for his lust was taken from the tax of the Filipinos? to be a drunkard? and they spent the Filipino tax to buy expensive alcoholic beverage..to be a gambler? a protector of illegal gambling? what more? to be a representative of anti Muslim inside malacannang?
farmville14 11 months ago
i salute both of AFP Gen Angelo Reyes and former AFP chief of staff and Philippines President ERAP Estrada for their knowledge in corruption. Estrada was convicted for how many years, and as of the very fresh news, his general was committed suicide to runaway
farmville14 11 months ago
ang mahirap kasi dito may mga brothers tayong muslim gusto ng kapayapaan pero meron tklagang political group na gusto lang sarilinbg kapakanan.. tingnan nyo, gaya kay nur misuary binigay sa kanya ang autonomiya ng ARMM anong ginawa inabuso, sa mga ampatuan nag hasik pa rin ng lagim. iba kasi ang mind set ng ibang muslim brothers natin kung papatuloy ang warlord mentality nila wala talagang mangyayari...
goodwaterj 1 year ago 2
@goodwaterj tama ka jan, actually hindi lang sila ang Moro na nasa POWER na umaabuso ng kapangyarihan para sa kanilang sariling layunin. kung tutuusin isa sila sa masamang halimbawa at masasabing insulto sila sa lipunan.
pero kung titingnan, kahit man sa governo. si erap may kasong plunder, si angelo reyes may kasong corruption, asawa ni GMA my kasong corruption, si dating PNP GEN at senator LACSON my kasong sendicate at drug trafficking, isa lang sila sa mga nakikita pero mas madami pang iba.
farmville14 11 months ago
@goodwaterj pero sinu si datu andal? isang aso ng mga corrupt ni pangulo gaya ni erap at GMA,
sinu si missuari? isang pinuno ng Moro sepritiest na sumuko sa pamahalaan at sa huli ay nag paka "tuta" sa pamahalaan para sa napakaliit na pangarap, maging governor.
sinu si tamano, si dilangalen, si dimaporo, si datumanong, LAHAT SILA AY MGA MORO NA nagpapakaligaya sa pagiging "tuta" ng pilipinas.
kabilang ba sila sa hanay ng MORO struggle para gawing halimbawa?
hindi!
isa silang "tuta" ng kalaban
farmville14 11 months ago
Religion conflict? aarghhhhh....and why must they show pictures of dead children.....WHY!!!!?? OMG!!! i feel like throwing up.
xy274 1 year ago
saludo ako sa iyo, kasi pinaramdam mo ang didikasyon at pagmamahal sa lupang sinilangan.
jewel0426 1 year ago
ang sakim ay hanggang ngayon lang wala ng bukas, walang inisip na kinbukasan, walang pakialam kung ano ang mangyari, basta ngayon gusto nya gugustuhin nya. wala siyang pakialam kahit maubos pa at walang matira sa kalahi nya. ayoko ng ganun, pwede naman mag aral at magamit sa takdang panahon, maangkin ang adhikain na hindi ubos ang kalahi,walang nasayang na buhay sa walang kwenta gyera.
jewel0426 1 year ago
@jewel0426 palagay ko kailangan mong basahin isa isa ang mga komento ko dito sa pahenang ito tapos gumawa ka ng sagot mo na naayun dito.
pangalawa, sa pananaw mo na hindi kristiano ang Fililpino, buamalik ka sa HEKASI at alamin mo kung sinu at kaninung at bakit binansagan ang dating (indios) ng Filipino at at kaninung pangalan galing ang salitang PHILIPPinas?
pangatlo, ang Moro ay hindi saklaw ng Geberno ng mga dayuhan at kaya may GIRA kasi ayaw nila magpasakop!
KARAPATAN hindi KASAKIMAN!
farmville14 1 year ago
@jewel0426 masasabi ko lang sayo, comment ka ng comment pero hindi mo yata binasa ng maayus ang mga old post ko kaya out of coverage ka. kung gusto mo mag comment basahin mo ng maayus ang mga dati kong komento tas saka ka sumagot.
farmville14 11 months ago
mahal ko ang lugar natin, pero hindi sa lahat ng adhikain ay makuha sa dahas, madalian,at maging marahas, sabi ko kailangan ng pagmamahal, didikasyon, pasinsya, tapat, bukas ang isipan. kung ganun ang gagawin natin hindi sana nasayang ang buhay ng iilan nating kalahi. tama po ba ako. ang produkto ng gyera ang yumaman ang tagagawa ng baril o gamit ng gyera, tayo naman nauubos ang lahi natin. sa pagdating ng panahon ubos ang lahi natin hanggat hindi tapos ang gyera.
jewel0426 1 year ago
kung lahi lang natin,kung tayo tayo lang kaya na ba nating tayo lang? mayron ba tayong kapasidad na magtayo ng factory, pagawaan ng damit? pagawaan ng kung ano ano? baka kainin natin iyon at lalapit tayo sa ibang lahi para magtayo sila sa atn ng mga pagawaan. isipin mo munang maigi, pag aralin muna natin yung mga kalahi ntin par pagdating ng panahon kaya na nating magsarili. kasi may kapsidad na tayo kahit hindi na lalapit sa ibang lahi.
naintindihan mo no ba?
jewel0426 1 year ago
kabayan walang tao na kayang mabuhay dito sa mundo na mag-isa. kaya itigil na natin iyang mga lahi-lahi na iyan,
tignan mo nga yang suot mo?gamit mo? at iyong mga bagay bagay na nasa iyong paligid gaya ng sasakyan,baril at kung ano ano pa, gawa ba ng lahi natin iyan? made in bangsa moro ba iyan?
kung lahi lang natin at wala tayong pakialam sa iba wala kang computer ngayon na ginagamit, wala kang damit na gawa sa ibang lahi. para umulad yung lahi natin isipin mong ngang maiagi.
jewel0426 1 year ago
yung kongresman na galing sa atin na dapat sila ang isang makatulong sa atin sila sana ang gumawa ng batas para sa atin, ilan ba ang kongresman na galing sa atin? kung pagtutulungan ayos sana, kaya nga tinawag na rep. eh. para gumawa at ilabas kong ano yong batas na nababgay sa atin. ginagamit lang tayo ng mag iyan para sa sarili din nila. bakit ba kailangan pa ng gyera nandyn naman ang mga iyan
jewel0426 1 year ago
hindi pa ba sapat iyong tayo din ang humawak ng lokal? o sadyang may sakim lang na gustung sarili lang ang iniisip. dami ng namatay dahil sa walang kwenta, may rep. tayo sa konggreso galing sa atin, bakit hindi nila kayang gumawa ng batas para unti unting isabatas na hihiwalay tayo sa pilipinas, ano ba ang ginagawa nila? isa rin sila sa atin hindi po ba? bakit? baka naman ung mga taong yan ayaw pa nilang gumawa ng batas na para sa atin
jewel0426 1 year ago
walang sinabi na kristyano ang pilipinas, yan ang isaksak mo sa kukuti mo, freedom nga ang tawag doon. subrang dami ng lahi o tribu, ano pa ba ang gusto mo? nandyan naman sa constitution na bigyan ng laya at irispito ang bawat isa. hindi mo ba maintindihan iyon? o sadyang sarado lang ang iyong isipan.
jewel0426 1 year ago
hindi ko masabi na may mali,pero tignan naman natin, kapwa natin pilipino ang pinahirapan sa labanan, na imbis na pinaintindi natin na tayo ay pagmamahal at para tanggapin nila na ito tayo hindi marahas,mapagmahal kasi yon ang tinuru sa atin. sa saudi arabia pinakita nila ang pagmamahal kaya tanggap ng tao kristyano na yumakap na isang maging muslim.
jewel0426 1 year ago
@jewel0426 KASI kung pag uuspan nating ang relihyon, saan ba nagmula ang KRISTIANO? s ROME, PAYAG KA BA na palayasin sa pilininas at papuntahin ng rome? di ka din pwdi pumumta sa CANAAN kasi palalayasin ka ng mga hudyo.
kailangan kopa bang ipaliwanag sayo ang ibig sabihin ng FILIPINO? ng salitang Bangsamoro? kung nag aral ka ng kasaysayang ng Pilipinas, sana mag dalawang isip kang tawagin akong Filipino, at kung isa kasa mga kalahi ko, sana kilabutan ka sa pagtawag mo sa sarile m ng Filipino.
farmville14 1 year ago
alam naman natin na ang tunay na naninirahan sa mindanao ay iyong native gaya ng aeta,subanin,etc.... ang pinakasintro ng muslim ay sa makkah, saudi arabia, then pano mo masabi na tayo ang mamahala?tayo ang nauna, isa din tayo sa mga pilipino. hindi natin kailingan ang marahas, sa saudi arabia daming christian na tumanggat at naging muslim,dahil hindi nila dinaan sa dahas. niligyan nila ng love para tanggapin ng isang tao.
jewel0426 1 year ago
@jewel0426 alamo kababayan wala pong aeta sa Mindanao, nasa bandang luzong po merun..iyong iba tinatawag na baluga, ibaloy at kalahan. kung tinutukoy mo ang mga neitbong item, sa panay bago dumating ang sampong tribo (ngayun mga ilonggo) ay mga nakatira ng mga item, ang tribo ni datu marikudo.
sa Mindao hindi aeta ang tawag sa kanila, mga MANUBO.
at para lalo mong maintindihan hindi usaping ng relihyon gaya ng ISLAM OF KRISTIYANISMO ang usapan dito kung di ang LAHI.
farmville14 1 year ago
Alam mo farmville wala namang ibang nakaupo sa lokal na namamahala sa mindanao,tayo lang galing sa mindanao, "GOVERN" yon ba ang gusto? sino ba ang namamahala sa mindanao? hindi ba taga mindanao din. isispin mo ngang maigi, pa english-english kapa kasi hindi mo rin naintindihan.
jewel0426 1 year ago
@jewel0426 i will make it very short.. alamo ba ang ibig sabihin ng "central government"?
tinatanung mo ako?
yup naiintindihan ko ang sinasabi ko ako may sabi eh "ndi ko alam ikaw kung naintindihan mo".
sory din sa English, English sila mag salita eh kaya English din sagot ko peo if ndi ka nakaka intindi, pwidi din me mag bisaya, ilonggo or any of my native language.
ndi ko sinasabing mali ka pero ndi mo din masabi na mali ako kasi lahat ng sinabi ko basi sa actual at totoong nangyari.
farmville14 1 year ago
Hindi ako sang-ayon sa iyo kababayan, hindi totoo ang sinsabi mo, isa rin ako na tubung mindanao, sa totoo lang sa atin din nagsimula ang gulo. tignan natin yong sarili natin kong nakatulong ba yong ginagawa natin. muslim sa muslim nga hindi magkasundo dahil sa tribu.
jewel0426 1 year ago
Flipsify go to d conflict affected areas and ask d people their. most of the collateral damages was made by d AFP, i wish to inform you again that since 2000, more than hundred thousands of Moro houses they burned. a huge number of brutal human right abuse like summary killing, cold blood, rape, adultery, salvage, etc. blasphemy, disrespect of Moro culture and until now they the one who always violating d peace negotiation. it s good if u inform them not to disrespect the result of peace talk.
farmville14 1 year ago
@farmville14..what happened in 2000 was the result of president Estrada's 'all out war' against the MILF to finally end the conflict when his administration invested more resources in the AFP. Your comments here are not based on facts but a fabrication. Several MILF camps, including Abubakar, were captured and AFP have driven the MILF rebels to remote regions..Erap's Mindanao policies was contrasted by Arroyo's policies when she took over the following year.
Flipsify 11 months ago
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In my opinion despite Erap's deficiency during his term, he's always been right to say that there will be no economic progress in Mindanao for as long as rebel groups such as the MILF would be left alone to destabilize the region.
Flipsify 11 months ago
you must be obsessed listening a news about war in Mindanao since you just seating in front of TV or Radio but d people like me who suffer protecting d Moro people against AFP barbaric attacks, we always say we hate war but we dont have a choice but to defend our people and d remaining lands left to us.
war is not a funny game. this between life and death, and we didn't love ds.
but we can not let d Filipinos to continuously occupy us and threat as like aliens.
we are d native of this homeland.
farmville14 1 year ago
we can say, the Filipinos can defame the truth by changing the history and by demonizing the Moro freedom fighters like MNLF and MILF. the assurance that the Moro cant win to have a freedom on their homeland but, this Moro will not stop resisting against the Filipino illegal annexation to the Moro homeland and we are sure that this war will not stop.
we have to chose.
1. let the bangsamoro to govern their ancestral homeland with Peace and security or
2. or occupying them with continues war.
farmville14 1 year ago
there will be an endless debate when we talk about the Bangsamoro right to self determination. of course this Filipino settlers will not allow the Bangsamoro people t have an iota of right to govern their ancestral land. they continuity find a way to cover the truth and to deceive the moro people. but what must be the big deal is the past, the present and the future of this country.
farmville14 1 year ago
I hope for a Mindanao republic, simply because Luzon's are full of corrupt officials that no cares for the Mindanao-ans, they are Puppets for foreign policies.
devilcruiser 1 year ago
We should not entertain anymore the demands of these moro's as they already manifested by declaring theme selves to be moro's only...wtf..? They are opportunist people and greedy. As they say they are not true Filipinos the only ethnic Filipinos are Aetas, lumads, mangyans and the igorots etc....These moro's came from Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia.......Our government should exert an extra effort to neutralize these insects in the Philippines....
aribatarugo 1 year ago
muslim rebels: nothing but DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN PEOPLE.
why? read all their comments & their attitude towards MINDANAO.
purehuman 1 year ago
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This prolonged war has done nothing positive to southern Mindanao except disrupt peace and impede economic development. There will be progress and peace if only MILF demobilize and refrain from more extorting demands of proportion similar to MOA-AD or submit to whatever conditions and offer by the GRP on their next peace agreement.
Flipsify 1 year ago
This prolonged war has done nothing positive to southern Mindanao except disrupt peace and impede economic development. There will be progress and peace if only MILF demobilize and refrain from more extorting demands of proportion similar to MOA-AD or submit to whatever conditions and offer by the GRP on their next peace agreement this year.
Flipsify 1 year ago
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Flipsify 1 year ago
as far a i know you hate history,
again you insisted that militarization is a best of option + if we want peace, we lay down our protection (arms).
all i can say is we are not stupid!
and if you really want to militarized the moro people, we are not begging on you to stop, we have been militarized since the annexation of mindanao..
all we want is to settle this problem trough peace.
our arsenal is intended only for defensive and counter attack moves.
please dont think that we are easy to fool
farmville14 1 year ago
@farmville14 "intended only for defensive and counter attack moves"? How about not attacking the innocent civilians who are not involve in this war?
I hope this time the MILF will honor their agreement with the GRP, Agreement on the Civilian Protection Component of the International Monitoring Team (ACPC-IMT). Moros /non-Moros have been severely affected when fighting is taken in their towns, villages, youtube is full of documentary regarding renegade MILF commanders atrocity on civilians
Flipsify 1 year ago
now you are talking about who is a first inhabitant of MINDANAO, why dont we talk about the whole country like raja sulaiman and raja lakandullah of of -(emannillah-faith to allah)- (intra-MOROS) now known as manila, datu lapu lapu of cebu which is also a muslim, datu puti, datu paduhinog, datu marikudo and datu sumakwil of panay, sultan kudarat of maguindanao, sultan jamal alkhiram of sultinate of julo..
that can give you a simple basis on who is the first inhabitant of this country.
farmville14 1 year ago
@farmville14 the first inhabitants are the Aetas or Itas (etas).. 250,000 years ago. much older that ancient Egypts.
devilcruiser 1 year ago
i have been with the CPP and i know their principle and ideologies,i can say that i am capable to compare this factions base on rational understanding not just by programed and prejudice ideas like what you want to inflict with the moro people.
i was in the city for this past week to settle some business matters.
your comments is a "parrot word" and un-supported by clear facts which made me to think that your claim is bias and unacceptable.
again+again+again, pleas make you citas clear.
farmville14 1 year ago
hey you should be very ASHAMED COMPARING the Communist Party to this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS.
unlike YOU who keep on crying you OWN MINDANAO & DEMAND ISOLATION. As if you we're really marginalized. Don't pity yourself... its dangerous.
purehuman 1 year ago
Through PEACE? Why not laid down your weapons and leave harmoniously with the peace loving people of Mindanao.
This DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS keep on crying their own understanding of history while ALL OTHER ETHNICS GROUPS of our country are living harmoniously with each other.
You know WHAT BROTHER? MUSLIM ARE NOT THE FIRST INHABITANTS OF MINDANAO... move on.
Because if this MUSLIM REBELS are not capable of PEACE. Still, ALL OUT WAR IS THE BEST OPTION.
purehuman 1 year ago
Look how they resolve land dispute between members of this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE MUSLIM REBELS. They Kill each other.
Look at the vast idle land of Basilan. There is constant violence among MEMBES OF THIS DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS who claim must of the land there.
purehuman 1 year ago
This MUSLIM REBELS are constantly being fooled by their Muslim leaders.
Again with all the rhetoric’s of this MUSLIM REBELS it boils down to one thing. THEY KEEP ON CRYING THEY OWN MINDANAO. In your dreams (-‘
Stop dreaming you own Mindanao. You’re not even the first inhabitants of it. Mindanao belongs to all Filipino.
purehuman 1 year ago
and again, you talk about MILITARIZATION, wiping us all, killing us all, etc.
i hope you change you mind to settle this problem trough peace.
war is very dreadful formula that will bring us all into chaos.
but again, if your (FILIPINOS) only solution is to wipe us all (MILF+MOROS), then we dont have a choice but to defend our self, our people, our homeland and to ensure our survival.
although we hate war but if you put as to the corner, what is the use of our BIAF defender.
farmville14 1 year ago
judging your comment. i can conclude that you doesn't have knowledge on the Moro Struggle.
i will give you some reason why they want to separate.
1. Moro is just and occupied territory, they are Moro in nationality not Filipino although they used Filipino since their is no moro nationality (yet) recognized by the IC.
2. Annexation of Moro Homeland in the Philippines is illegal because the Moro leaders at that time was not consulted regarding the annexation of the Moro homeland.
3. read more!
farmville14 1 year ago
there are only one in a thousand of FILIPINOS who accepted the Moros as equal to them, instead, majority of them thinks that Moro is a Malaysian, Indonesian or any terrorist group that does not belong to this place and must be removed.
the Filipino government has a 70 years plan to secure all moro remaining land (you can find that book in north cotabato provincial capitol-library).
and do you want us to keep silent..
OMG, dont make us so stupid!
farmville14 1 year ago
The MUSLIM rebels are not acknowledging the Republic of the Philippines....
They want their own separate ISLAMIC State.
Why don't they just go to Iran, Afghanistan, Islamic Pakistan or Indonesia to be with thier Muslim Brothers? They dont want Progress on their own Region.....thats why the FUCKIN' war keeps going on...
mannie71170 1 year ago
@mannie7117
you know what YOU should be very ashamed comparing this groups to your DOGMA & IGNORANCE... though they action is not justify they DON'T DEMAND ISOLATION unlike this Muslim Rebels?
what?
ex: pentagon 3, their purpose is to kidnap for ransom similar to the CIA created abu sayaf.
magdalo group: to bring down the regime of any president they dont like.
CPP-NPA: to transform the democracy into communist-socialist country.
their is no historical basis.
did you that?
farmville14 1 year ago
@mannie71170
i wonder why should be ashamed of fighting my right n a rightful manner, trough peaceful settlement.
and why it is shameful to speak about oppression, colonization, humiliation and why it s shameful to defend our survival?
we are living peacefully but our home land was grabbed by this Filipino occupier and when we defend our right, they said WE ARE NOT CAPABLE OF LIVING LIVING WITH THIS PEACE LOVING PEOPLE.
who is the peace loving anyway? the grabber or the owner?
a simple logic.
farmville14 1 year ago
@mannie71170
and another clear stupidity is sending us to IRAN or anywhere.
even in Malaysia, the very near neighboring country, they will not accept that because we are not belong to them.
and the thing is we are originated from this place regardless of religion, so why should we leave?
to let the occupier steal our homeland?
read most the comments of your fellow Filipinos in the other pages:
nuke the moros, fucked them up, kill them all, wipe them out, etc.
OMG...it is very dreadful..
farmville14 1 year ago
if this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS are not capable of living harmoniously with the PEACE LOVING PEOPLE OF MINDANAO... the best option is ALL-OUT WAR to wipe out this Muslim Rebels.
one legacy former Pres. Estrada left was nearly wiping out this Muslim Rebels but blessing in disguise because of issues of corruptions, Muslim Rebels was jubilant when his term was cut short... hehe
purehuman 1 year ago
again... with all the rhetoric, constants complaint about almost everything this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS demands boils down to ONE THING... they KEEP ON CRYING they own Mindanao. They keep on claiming that they OWN MINDANAO.
imagine what kind of BRAINS this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM has. While every ethnic groups in our country are working to strengthen our sovereignty, a strong united Philippines, this MUSLIM REBELS KEEP ON CRYING TO DIVIDE MINDANAO.
purehuman 1 year ago
hehe logical you said? like what? you keep on DEMANDING YOU OWN MINDANAO coz you claim your the first inhabitants on it, cmmon. very DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS
you know what YOU should be very ashamed comparing this groups to your DOGMA & IGNORANCE... though they action is not justify they DON'T DEMAND ISOLATION unlike this Muslim Rebels.
what is that you KEEP ON CRYING ALL DIS YEARs? land grad, colonizer, history, what else? and your solution is what? divide Mindanao. dream on
purehuman 1 year ago
mentioning about the CPP-NPA, i have been with them a number of years and i know their ideology and methods. the C.B.S.G, Pentagon 3 kidnap or ransom group,
Magdalo Group who hostage the civilians in OAK WOOD, did you saw that building erected along ayala avenue?
i was thinking of how can you say they are fighting in civilized way accusing the MILF as DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS while the general view is you doesn't have enough knowledge on the both topic.
farmville14 1 year ago
so far i dont have a reason to accuse you of being programed.
you accused of everything, -not capable of living in peace etc etc, to the fact that while we are talking about peace settlement then you are talking about coming up an all out what promoting the convicted corrupt, womanizer, drunkard and undergrad president of the GRP.
farmville14 1 year ago
all this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS rhetoric boils down to ONE THING. they always CRY THEY OWN MINDANAO. in your dreams (-;
purehuman 1 year ago
@purehuman
you can not even justify my claim about the barbaric manners of the GRP and the FILIPINO occupiers and you keep demonizing the Moro people particularly the MILF Moro defenders. do you want to say that the AFP and their Militias are not guilty of abusing Moro masses trough massacre, salvage, summary killing, rape, etc. and do you want to say that the Filipino are not guilty of grabbing the ancestral land of the moro people?
do you want me to recapitulate my past comments?
farmville14 1 year ago
@purehuman
you keep mentioning about DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS you still dont have mention any rational reason except for the reason that they are using history to support the Moro claims, accusing them because they want to regain the Moro right to self determination from their own ancestral land.
accusing them as ignorant because they know what is their right,
i hope you can cite a rational basis to support your claim, to make me interested reading your comment.
farmville14 1 year ago
@purehuman
asking me if am not ashamed?
no am not, i am using a logical context to support my claims so what is the reason to be ashamed?
what about you?
farmville14 1 year ago
with your INSISTING DEMAND THAT YOU OWN MINDANAO that's between our Government & this DOGMATIC IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS.
ALL-OUT WAR if this MUSLIM REBELS are not capable of living harmoniously with the peace loving people of Mindanao.
you should be thankful that our Gov't action towards this MUSLIM REBELS are calibrated & controlled. you know exactly what happen to your camp when former Pres. Estrada campaigns all out war... your thankful his term was cut short.
purehuman 1 year ago
this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS have all the GUTS to compare themselves to the Communist Party of the Philippines. this people are not DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE... they don't DEMAND for themselves... unlike YOU who keep on ISOLATING MINDANAO, this CPP want to strengthen the Political System of our country UNLIKE YOU who want to divide it.
purehuman 1 year ago
unfaithful government, land grab, colonizer, militias, history... this are all you KEEP ON CRYING... & your solution is to OWN MINDANAO.
coming from your OWN this DOGMATIC & IGNORANCE DRIVEN MUSLIM REBELS are really not capable of living harmoniously with the PEACE LOVING PEOPLE OF MINDANAO.
are you NOT ASHAMED you keep on CRYING that you own MINDANAO coz' your the first inhabitants of it. the lumads/native are there before you came in DOGMATIG & IGNORANCE MUSLIM REBELS.
purehuman 1 year ago
@purehuman
let me make it clear,
i am not crying with my history, it is to support my claims.
it is hard to speak a lot of thing specially to accuse someone with out rational basis.
out of impartialism can be resulted to being one-sided that's why i always include my authenticated support to my claims first of all to convinced any one that my claim is justified not just my own invented stories, in fact when you go to the ground, you can prove that my claim is base on true story.
farmville14 1 year ago
with out this weak weaponry, what is our protection from this unfaithful government?
what is our protection from this Filipino occupier who s terrorizing us systematically or even in a brutal way with perfect impunity.
we have been decieved in the negotiation, remember the Tripoli agreement and the MOA-AD,
we have been massacred, salvaged, our woman was raped by the AFP,
our land was grabbed..
what do you expect from us? to become more stupid surrendering our remaining protection?
farmville14 1 year ago
and to make it more clear to you sir, Moro problem is a conventional problem which is impossible to solve trough lobbing in any house of the GRP.
it has been tried even before 1970s headed by the late Moro diplomatic group who used diplomacy to settle this problem.
GRP is just fooling with the Moro people, deceiving them above the negotiating table,
killing the Moro leaders and members.
with out this
farmville14 1 year ago