Another lie, we CAN find out information about our doctors, just like Ameircans. Its called RatemdsDOTcom, which has been around well before this video was posted.
@MadHabber93 Those are not compiled statistical success rates for particular illnesses, etc. Just a handful of random unscientific anecdotal opinions.
@nocturnalc I know it is. I was addressing the presenters claim that Canadians can't find out what a doctor is like, based on opinion from others, when we can. I was calling him on is b.s.
@MadHabber93 I'm sorry. I'm talking about the RatemdsDOTcom website. Those are random unscientific anecdotal opinions. That particular website does not appear to strictly compile statistical success rates of doctors/hospitals for particular illnesses as well as other meaningful data. The style of that website is more suited towards rating restaurants or other things of that ilk.
This presentation either uses totally outdated data. Unreliable data from right wing think tanks with an agenda ie. The Fraser Institute, quotes from liars ie. Dr. Gratzer, and straight out WRONG information. ie. wait times for MRI's in B.C. or 4 out of 5 Canadians not happy with their healthcare, when the EXACT opposite is true. This is just to name a few. Not to mention, the cherry picked, anecdotal evidence storis that means jack shit.
.........from some one who lives in canada, and knows my own Nations history good and bad quite well....you rant stuck me as a fact-less propaganda, and so far it seems the only critics of Canada health care (it is easy to find a Canadian who will criticism health care and anything really but that cause we want even better, more forwards, not backwards) who want private health-care are the ones who have stock in private clinics, but US media always fails to report that tid bit.
..............okay, relevance? if that was about my statement, i said they it easy to find Canadians complaining about health-care....where pissed that most doctors go to cities and rural areas are undermanned, where pissed that dentist are not government covered, but so far the only criticism that the health care is government run is by people who surprise surprise own stock in private clinics, and guess where there voice is herd...in US media.
I really hate that term, "government covered" because it implies that the politicians reached into their own pockets to cover us which we all know isn't so.
They forced us at gun point to cover each other. Hardly the act of a martyr.
no government covered doesn't mean politicians it mean citizens, being in a democracy the government should be a projection of the citizens politicians should just be financial administrators we employ and can fire at will, single individuals have a hard time covering there medical bill, but all people together can afford the health bill, also it should be called group selfishness because keeping others from getting sick helps protect yourself from getting sick from them
and gun point hardly it called democracy over 50% of the population decided social medicine was the way to go, don't like it well then vote however i will call you a fool for only seeing yourself when you are both a social animal and live in a society. I vote for a system that offers covers 100% of the people thus no chance of myself being left out instead of a system that covers 80% or 15% then chance I'll be left out, group selfishness.
we call it a hierarchical structure all social animals have one form of it. And sides there is no true such thing as personal success in our modern world, you drive on public roads funded by the public unless you want to pay a toll to some company for using their roads, you have education unless you want to pay for private and being in a population of uneducated cuts down opportunities for all, there is no escaping that you rely on social systems.
These people, in the interests of stopping health care reform in the U.S., are willing to lie, lie and lie again about the Canadian system. Its an insult to Canadians. Look. Canada does not spend as much per capita, (per person) as the US even considering the millions that have no coverage. The US system is inefficient. The US, with private and public funds included, spends 5% more of its GDP on health care. Canada needs to spend more. Its nothing to do with private or 'socialised'. FUCK YOU.
Hi, welcome to adult conversation. Here if you use the word "fuck" most will ignore you as a twat. But not me I've got too much love.
The US HC market is not a free market nor "private." like all sectors of the US economy, it is a chimera of economic fascism(look it up)/state capitalism(mercantilism)/corporatism, enfroced by the state that inflates prices, limits competition, benefits corporations and screws most every1. stefbot in no way defended the US hc system, but a free market.
If after viewing this whole video filled with countless arguments (even right or wrong) the only thing you can come up with is "give the government more money" then you are indeed a pretty solid twat.
The "queue jumping" described in this video is a nice summary of what the American system is. It may happen in Canada, but it's built into the American system. The richest get the best access to the best service. The instances of people using their connections to jump the line is inherent in the private American system.
Videos like this compare the quality of care experiences by the general population of Canada to that experienced by the rich people who use private care. What's beyond shocking is the experiences of poorer people in the States.
Oh baloney! I'm next to poor and I see the best doctors in the country anytime I want to.12 million don't have health care insurance in America. It's not 45 million. The 45 million includes illegals (which are mainly Mexican citizens) and foreign college students. The illegals in this country have free health care in their own country.
Your experience doesn't reflect that of other poor people in America, particularly those with more serious and advanced diseases for whom finances are actually a burden in deciding whether to pursue treatment or not.
I am so glad I found your channel. This video series in particular confirms my conclusions on this subject. Thank you for organizing all of this data here in one place.
LMAO of course u'd read the CBC article, it was directed from this guy's page, he's not gonna put something on there that doesn't support his view would he?
and just the fact that you are calling cbc socialist makes you look stupid
what do you want me to refute? this guy spent over half the video giving us his resume, and the rest regurgitating what all the anti-reformists have been saying. if you hate UH so much then leave canada, then you can actually learn to appreciate what you had
the fact of the matter is that his references do not hold water, and its not just my opinion. almost all the references blatantly have the word "libertarian" on it somewhere, and a couple of them are blogs, BLOGS!!! i can write a blog and call it a reference too if i want to. now i'm questioning whether YOU have looked at the references, if u just read the fricking word, u'll see how it's not neutral
i dont need to "provide a source that refutes the reference" because the reference is opinions
actually did check the site, over 90% of the "references" are libertarian sites, the few that are actually non-POV do not really support his views. For example, everyone already knows of the shortages of doctors in canada, but the purpose of that article is not to get rid of the system, but to expose the problem so it would be solved.
Referencing pov sites could be problematic, especially if they are blogs, but to claim that an someone cannot reference a source of authority's statistics merely because they might not agree with his/her world view is ridiculous. From that perspective all an anarchist, or any minority viewpoint for that matter, could reference IS pov sources. C'mon.
Anytime the Government tells you to do something you are being forced to do it at gunpoint.
Don't you understand that simple point by now? If you had a choice, if lethal force weren't an option to enforce their whims, then they would cease to be "The State". That is the intrinsic quality which makes them "Government".
I recently spent 21 hours in the hospital. I was there for observation due to chest pain. Nothing was wrong, it was just gas ;) Care to guess what the total bill was? $100. Co-pay, $11,000.00 to my insurance co. and another $500.00 in 'extra' bills to me. So 11,600.00 or 552.38 Per HOUR! I could go to Tahiti for a bloody MONTH for that much money! So naturally, I'm going to use the system to fuck the system and not pay this extra 500.00. Two can play this game...
Side note about the "NASA Syndrome": If we had privatized the space industry, from the beginning, we would have landed on Mars long ago, have visited the other planets long ago, would have much greater technology today, and have access to the solar systems great resources and made life around the world better. So thank you huge bureaucracy for keeping us down and decades behind what we could have been!
you're entire argument is based on the premise that people are greedy. What your saying is no one goes into health care because they genuinely care about other peoples well being? That's just being ignorant. Giving yourself to a cause has a greater reward than any amount of competition or material reward. If your a health care professional you're rewarded not only for helping others but you're also getting paid to do it. I believe people going into healthcare now geniunely care about people
A new poll conducted by the Toronto-based Nanos Research points to overwhelming support — 86.2 percent — for strengthening public health care rather than expanding for-profit services.
cont: But the people don't have to choose between the Amerofascism and Eurofascism. They COULD choose freedom, voluntaryism, NO aggression. Yes, there'd be profits. So? The problem is State-based aggression driving the prices. Take, for example, the laws banning people from purchasing insurance outside their states. Remove them and there would be more competition and costs would fall. And that's just one DOZENS of ways by which you could disentangle the State from medicine and deflate costs.
You wouldn't know what fascism is even if Dick Cheney shot in the face with his shotgun. What do you mean SO? So what that 6 Americans die because they don't have Health Insurance? You really don't give a crap about your fellow American do you? Look we have Public Schools & Public Roads. We DO NOT go around calling them Socialist Schools & Socialist Roads. Tell me how many Socialist Roads did you drive on this past week. The NEOCON spin masters call it Socialist Health Care & you blindly buy it.
The State interferes in the medical industry in dozens of ways, restricting supply, restricting competition, distorting the market, driving prices up. Now you want to pile more statism on top of the old statism. That's the statist's solution for everything. Every single problem on this Earth can be cured with just a LITTLE more State, even if the problem was the State's fault in the first place (it usually is). Just get the State OUT of the medical industry.
everything you hold as great examples are unconstitutional. the federal gov. has no place in road construction or education. but i guess if they were not in education they could not dumb us down to the point of us not seeing the obvious, that they are grossly incompetent in anything they do outside of war.
Though the Federal government does provide some funding, the overall discretionary responsibility and ownership of Public Schools, and Roads, is with with the State [Article Four: States' powers and limits].
It is because of our ability to rapidly move materials [roads] and possess high percentage of educated citizens [schools] United States became the dominant Power [at all levels] in the 20th century, & today.
Without these roads & schools we would be no better that present day Afghanistan.
we were dominant before the fed got involved in the road construction business. and we were smarter before the fed got involved with education. what the gov. run schools have done is educate us in the 10 planks of communism instead of the 10 amendments. that is where the breakdown has occurred. we have citizens that don't have a clue about the differences in the political economic systems of the world (i.e. capitalism, fascism, communism and socialism).
What nonsense. American schools are terrible; they've functioned for decades primarily as vehicles for government propaganda. How many Americans know the true origins of wars their government started throughout the last century, for instance? US schools teach obedience to authority above all; don't think, just shut up and do as your told. With the free internet finally people are beginning to educate themselves and discover truth.
Roads? What leads you to imagine bureaucrats are efficient?
As an anarchist, I'm against the State's dangerous, congested roads and I oppose the State's child incarceration/indoctrination facilities. I believe in the ability of a voluntary society to provide any service better than State aggression can. Aggression is always inefficient and aggression is always wrong.
Still waiting for the appointment for my hip resurfacing after signing for the operation last October. Supposedly a 10 -12 month wait, but I still don't know when it will happen or if I am even on the list.
And I can't change my family doctor, even if she was incompetant, because there is no replacement.
Our system isn't the Soviet breadline system many Conservative Shills for the US insurance industry make it, nor is it the panacea the lefties make it.
The current system is parasitic, only 67 cents of every dollar goes to actual treatment.
Healing is both MENTAL as will as psychical. When a recovering cancer patient is receiving medical bills in the thousand because insurance is refusing or balking on coverage the added [unnecessary] stress can contribute to a relapse.
But lets get to the REAL ISSUE! Bottom line - on a National Health Care System THE RICH can no longer cut to the front anymore but have to get in line with the rest of us.
THE RICH as you call them can cut in line because they own it all, and they lobbied for all the regulations and all the shit that makes medical care so expensive now.
In other words,the government has prohibited people from willingly paying for quicker healthcare, which some of those "rich" would willingly pay much more for. THis is not a good thing.
"...on a National Health Care System THE RICH can no longer cut to the front anymore but have to get in line with the rest of us."
Yes "the rich" (boo! scary!) can, and that's not even the problem. The problem is that in a free market you can change your coverage. In a State-run system you can't, and if you think the bureaucrats who run the State don't "balk" about money, you've never encountered the IRS.
Right, just like State's schools are merely an option for those that can't afford the private schools who's prices have been driven up by the State's schools. How thankful the Brits must be for Great Father who takes their money from them at the point of a gun and deciding how to spend it. The tax livestock are just too stupid make such decisions themselves, you know. Did you even watch his video? Do you even understand the first thing about economics or even human freedom? Do you even care?
What exactly do you think we have elections for? Governments enforce tax policies that people voted for! If 'the tax livestock' as you put it don't like what a government is doing then they vote them out. That's called democracy.
If your economic knowledge was as good as you think it is then you'd have heard of a concept called 'market failure' which is when makets fail to provide public and merit goods satisfactorily - one of the basic reasons why govenments exist.
ulonglistofnumbers: I oppose your "democracy." I support individual freedom. It's no less evil for 99.9% of the population to oppress one man as it is for one dictator to oppress 99.9% of the population. Down with tyranny of the majority!
"Market failure." As much of a reality as the woodland elves.
And in a Free Market system if you cannot afford coverage & pay the premiums [an many cannot] YOUR DEAD!
In the last 40 years is out-of-control escalating cost of medication and surgical procedures.
Elderly in the US are forced to purchase only affordable drugs from Canada. What did our government do? Passed legislation making Grandpa & Grandma criminals. Nice!
Don't kid yourself & DON'T KID ME! The only thing insurance companies are worried about is PROFIT, at the expense of human life.
More nonsense. I'm so sick of arguing about this and refuting the same mindless arguments over and over and over and over. "The only thing insurance companies are worried about is PROFIT." Oh, who cares, you zombie? They can be the greediest pigs on Earth for all I care, so long as they don't commit violence against, which the State does almost constantly. If you're so bereft of logic can't differentiate between violence and voluntary interaction, what's the use of arguing with you?
6 Americans DIE each day because they don't have Medical Insurance. With escalating layoffs this year alone its going to get worst.
Do you think the insurance companies are going to lower their policy cost, lower their deductibles, expand their coverage for those who have been laid off or for families that can barely make ends meet? HELL NO!
WHY? Because they are PROFIT driven.
They spend 1.4 million dollars each day campaigning against Health Care Reform alone.
You, like all the others, paint this as a choice between the fascist US "healthcare system" and the fascist Euro "healthcare system." Neither is pure free market nor pure socialism. Rather BOTH are mixed up, muddled up "mixed economy/social democracy" messes, and that is why BOTH are such disasters.
Does anyone have a right to health care? If you are stranded on an island with a broken leg does a health care fairy come down and patch you up? No? Then health care is a commodity. You are no more entitled to health care than you are to food, water, or shelter.
I will agree our health care system needs changing. BUT the only thing the government should do is deregulate.
So we agree that there is inherent flaws in both free market and social systems. What else can one expect when dealing with humans? I for one, take offense to the notion that sick people are nothing but costumers in a consumer position. If you were ill would you like to deal with someone who was on the payroll of some big pharma? "I see you are sick, try PAINAWAY(tm)!" I would never trust a doctor who's in it for the money, becuase that seems like he didnt make it into lawschool.
We must have a single payer health care system only. We can't afford anything else. US spend on health care 15.4% of GDP (that is a low figure) including both state and private. As a whole Europe spends 9.6% of GDP on universal health care. The Republicans and or the O'bama plan, is just more of the same fraud. Plenty of profit for the greedy pharmaceuticals and the health care companies. We should emulate the Veterans Administration. Our own national, 1 payer system that works.
"We can't afford anything else. US spend on health care 15.4% of GDP (that is a low figure) including both state and private. As a whole Europe spends 9.6% of GDP on universal health care."
So our choice is between US-brand "mixed economy" fascism and Euro-brand "mixed economy" fascism?
I would also love to be able to use the power point presentation you set up because I would love to give this talk here in Australia. Stef do you give out your PP files? I will credit you for sure.
Lastly, I have to conclude that Anarco-capitalism is a large bourgeois philosophy. One that arises from personal financial success (mostly a matter luck in itself). It is a philosophy of one that wishes to not himself be coerced but yet to justify and retain a level of marterial comfort and wealth which is arguably only obtainable through the direct or indirect coercion and exploitation of others.
that doesnt make sense. If I go to the market and sell some corn that I grow am I coercing anyone? no, its voluntary. there is work every where, mowing lawn, painting fences, doing dishes programing and so on. the thing that stops people from paying other people to do those jobs is lack of the liquidity to pay them. so the fundamental flaw with our capitalist system is the government having the monopoly of currency creation. The free market if left alone is stunning in its simplicity. like e=mc2
I'm talking abut now. If sweatshops are legal then that's not exactly raising a bunch of people out of poverty it's just turning them into wage slaves with zero rights. And mixed economies do work better than purely capitalist or communist.
You could go on for infinity with all the atrocities that governments have caused throughout history. Free markets have rarely occurred on this planet, but we have infinite cases of government interference in capitalism.
Child labor: So you're saying that poor people should be forcibly prevented from earning a living if they're below a certain arbitrary age determined by the King?
Sweatshops: So you're saying that poor people should be forcibly prevented from earning a living if the conditions in which they work are deemed not good enough by the King?
Scab worker: So you're saying that poor people should be forcibly prevented from working if they don't belong to a labor cartel protected by the King?
With all due respect this is a mistaken view, Its governments that create environments where people have no choice but to work in sweatshops because they manipulate currency and are corrupt. For instance the Chinese have for years have promoted child labor / sweatshops because they wanted the worlds industry. A truly free market equalizes that out. eventually people find better paying jobs because someone will pay 10cents more a hour, then someone else another 10. until market price is reached.
The multinationals already wield enormous power and can take advantage of other countries situations to provide lower costs that drive small businesses under. Basically the wal-mart affect. The government doesn't create the environment the government protects it which is very different. If you got rid of the government what's to stop them from just hiring free market militias to protect their vital corporate interests? Capitalism itself breeds inequality by its very nature.
"The multinationals already wield enormous power and can take advantage of other countries situations to provide lower costs that drive small businesses under. Basically the wal-mart affect."
Predatory pricing is yet another myth promulgated by Big Business in order to protect itself from competition. Big Business thanks you for your gullibility.
Corporations are a product of government. Capitalism rarely exists because of government interference. Almost every aspect of our lives is controlled by government.
Adam: You wouldn't know the meaning of the word "exploitation" if it jumped up and bit you on the petard. Just stop talking until you can understand the difference between aggression and non-aggression and stop mindlessly regurgitating the economic fallacies of that Prussian witchdoctor, Karl Marx. I'm so sick of you pro-violence people.
neither would you. I'm also not a fan of Karl Marx I lean more towards Rudolf Rocker. Try reading a history book sometime and maybe you'll learn what real violence is.
I didn't say it was a person. I said it was made up of people. And IF it's a VOLUNTARY association of people, then what's the problem? It's just a business model.
Now, you may say that the corporate business model couldn't exist without the aggressive protection of the State. I think that the corporate business model could be mimicked in a voluntary society with contracts. But if not, fine. Let's have a fully voluntary society, and we'll see whether corporations can exist in a true free market.
see its the state really thats the whole problem because without it then syndaclists like myself and anarcho-capitalists like you guys could each be in our own separate communities which could trade with each other without having to dictate each other's economic policies.
Further i find in this video, as I do in many of Stef's, that, along with his contempt and disgust of the public sector, there is a certain fetishism and exaltation of the private sector. While I agree almost completely with Stef's view of government, I am amazed by this capitalism good, government bad mentality. It ignores the inherent coerciveness and exploitation of the private sector and its inseparable symbiotic relationship with the state.
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I think this Anarcho-capitailistic view is a self contradictory one. If anarchism is the desire to abolish all systems of coercion it would seem irreconcilable with capitalism. While it may well be "reconcilable" for those on top (the bosses and owners), laborers would easily see the hypocrisy of such a situation and to suggest that capitalism could exist without an exploited class of workers is absurd both rationally and empirically.
This video seems to be intended to address the debate in America about establishing a government funded health care insurance program. Yet it doesn't address that issue at all. It rather is a critique of socialized health providers, not insurers. No one has suggested that the government take over providers, merely that a socialized payment system be established in order to address the fact that millions of Americans cannot afford coverage. Does the method of payment affect the quality of care?
The bill is a pretty big step towards a single payer system. The bill is intended to displace much or private insurance, and force to rest to march lockstep with the government program.
Like public education, public insurance is likely to displace most of the non tax funded services.
i have got to agree with the short run argument, for example we have the soviet union. now i kno their is alot of reasons that lead to the colapse but if u look at just the output of the economy it had a huge surge, their people where more than happy to live and work. but then as time goes on there was a gradual drop off
i find this video to be a great tie in for the last video
While I generally don't agree with your stance you usually make a fair case for it. However this case seemed to be fairly slanted. I'm not implying lies, but your use of statistics seems deceptive. Take your example about drug research. You state 60% occurs in the US, but the federal government accounts for a large portion of that. And private research cosists largely of "MeToo" drugs which offer little or no functional improvement to currently available medications.
Quality as usual, Stef! I have been wondering for a while now what you had to say about health care, and these videos definitely bring up a lot more valid points than other articles and videos I have seen.
Great information Stefan! I'm curious as to what you think of Michael Moore's efforts concerning this (namely, the movie Sicko). I have to admit that when it first came out, it made me envy Canada's health care system....and I'm *pretty* sure that's what "informs" most people who are all for going that route here in the USofA.
Excellent exposé. I'm sending it to my brother who, I swear, just looöøøøøøves socialism in health care, even though he had to wait for weeks and see multiple practitioners to get a diagnosis of asthma.
I am currently studying Medicine in Canada and you truly shocked me (in a good way) with this video. Thanks for the enlightenment the situation is really way worse than what I've thought.
What can a new comer in the health care field do about the stiuation?
people who sell beds are profitning off human sleep, people who sell toothpaste profit off human hygiene, and people who build houses are profiting off human need for shelter.
I say all these things are fundemental human rights and people should be forced to give them to each other.
now i know why you're bald !! you pulled out all your hair over time while coming to realize all this frustrating truth about power-seeking humans and their methods of controlling complex social problems with violence, and the the endless details of the raunchy mire it produces
many thanks to you, and indeed many thanks to Philosophy
Congressional say the government plans to suspend the popular "cash for clunkers" program amid concerns it could quickly use up the $1 billion in rebates for new car purchases.
The Transportation Department called congressional offices late Thursday to alert them to the decision to halt the program, which offered owners of old cars and trucks $3,500 or $4,500 toward a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle.
And now you idiots want the Gov't to run healthcare?
April to December?! .. Man if it had of been something serious.. if you were not dead by the time that date rolled around, you might of been at deaths door.
It's completely and utterly shocking and I am sure it's the same here in the UK if not worse! Indeed, over 5000 people die every year in the UK...... AS A RESULT of going into a hospital, because of the MRSA virus!!!!
I didn't understand the last part where you gave facts about medical innovations. Weren't those good numbers?
Medical ensurance really is a good posterchild for capatalism IMO. It will actually reward healthy people by offering lower ensurance fees.
Medical innovation not so much. There isn't enough competition to prevent monopolies from abusing their positions and that is dangerous! No private watchdog will do, because sickness makes people desperate enough to take whatever they can get.
#1: Technology should be making healthcare cheaper. A single MRI can replace so many other tests, for example. The sonogram, which is less expensive than an MRI, can do as much or more. Anyone who sez "technology makes healthcare more expensive" is an idiot.
#2: Our biggest problem in healthcare is beauracracy. Administrative costs, so I hear, are through the roof.
#3: Fee for service would be excellent, but at least I find it almost impossible to find.
Absolutely the finest video/s ever made about the evils of socialized/state healthcare. If this can't convince people the moral, logical and practical INSANITY of violent government intervention in one of the most critical of industries, then I don't know what can. Probably nothing, since socialists are essentially political creationists. Their capacity to reason has been utterly crippled through generations of institutionalised state violence and propaganda.
I am in Toronto. I have tried for years to get a permanent family doctor but no one has room in their folio for me. When I need to see a doctor, I go to a walk-in clinic and wait for 3 hours to see a nurse.
specialized care is prioritized similar to triage and it is the elderly that usually have to wait as they would rather get people back to work paying taxes.
I live in Montreal and I don't have a doctor. What's more is that no one I asked has any clue how to get a doctor. Even more shocking is that despite this doctor shortage, the Quebec government is trying to decrease the number of doctors in the city.
On the surface it would seem the system needs to have a vast increase in funding to pay for more doctors and better equipment, but Stef claims this would just make the system worse.
All of this discussion would only carry against adopting a single-payer system, not necessarily a health system like France, where people are allowed to purchase health insurance to subsidize their own Government health plan.
This is likely going to be the approach taken in the US, just because of the politics involved. But, in the end, it all ends up in the same place: The Shitter. it may take another 30 years longer, but it will crash. The government doesn't create anything. It siphons off creativity and takes credit for it, until there's none left. Then it collapses. Hopefully, the world will be wise enough not to create another behemoth, once this one finally perishes.
I really enjoyed listening to this and Part 1. Do you have any other videos where you talk about health care?
What do you think US healthcare will look like in 20 years?
StreloksPDA 1 week ago
Another lie, we CAN find out information about our doctors, just like Ameircans. Its called RatemdsDOTcom, which has been around well before this video was posted.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Those are not compiled statistical success rates for particular illnesses, etc. Just a handful of random unscientific anecdotal opinions.
nocturnalc 1 year ago
@nocturnalc I know it is. I was addressing the presenters claim that Canadians can't find out what a doctor is like, based on opinion from others, when we can. I was calling him on is b.s.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 I'm sorry. I'm talking about the RatemdsDOTcom website. Those are random unscientific anecdotal opinions. That particular website does not appear to strictly compile statistical success rates of doctors/hospitals for particular illnesses as well as other meaningful data. The style of that website is more suited towards rating restaurants or other things of that ilk.
nocturnalc 1 year ago
This presentation either uses totally outdated data. Unreliable data from right wing think tanks with an agenda ie. The Fraser Institute, quotes from liars ie. Dr. Gratzer, and straight out WRONG information. ie. wait times for MRI's in B.C. or 4 out of 5 Canadians not happy with their healthcare, when the EXACT opposite is true. This is just to name a few. Not to mention, the cherry picked, anecdotal evidence storis that means jack shit.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
As a Canadian I Call BS!
cartoeratos 1 year ago
.........from some one who lives in canada, and knows my own Nations history good and bad quite well....you rant stuck me as a fact-less propaganda, and so far it seems the only critics of Canada health care (it is easy to find a Canadian who will criticism health care and anything really but that cause we want even better, more forwards, not backwards) who want private health-care are the ones who have stock in private clinics, but US media always fails to report that tid bit.
whydid666 2 years ago
"Anyone who disagrees with me is a saturday morning cartoon villain" is the argument of a dogmatist.
lordthawkeye 2 years ago 2
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..............okay, relevance? if that was about my statement, i said they it easy to find Canadians complaining about health-care....where pissed that most doctors go to cities and rural areas are undermanned, where pissed that dentist are not government covered, but so far the only criticism that the health care is government run is by people who surprise surprise own stock in private clinics, and guess where there voice is herd...in US media.
whydid666 2 years ago
I really hate that term, "government covered" because it implies that the politicians reached into their own pockets to cover us which we all know isn't so.
They forced us at gun point to cover each other. Hardly the act of a martyr.
lordthawkeye 2 years ago 3
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no government covered doesn't mean politicians it mean citizens, being in a democracy the government should be a projection of the citizens politicians should just be financial administrators we employ and can fire at will, single individuals have a hard time covering there medical bill, but all people together can afford the health bill, also it should be called group selfishness because keeping others from getting sick helps protect yourself from getting sick from them
whydid666 2 years ago
@lordthawkeye
and gun point hardly it called democracy over 50% of the population decided social medicine was the way to go, don't like it well then vote however i will call you a fool for only seeing yourself when you are both a social animal and live in a society. I vote for a system that offers covers 100% of the people thus no chance of myself being left out instead of a system that covers 80% or 15% then chance I'll be left out, group selfishness.
whydid666 2 years ago
If I'm a social animal, then why do we supposedly need a central authority forcing us to be sociable? That's a contradiction.
lordthawkeye 2 years ago 7
@lordthawkeye
we call it a hierarchical structure all social animals have one form of it. And sides there is no true such thing as personal success in our modern world, you drive on public roads funded by the public unless you want to pay a toll to some company for using their roads, you have education unless you want to pay for private and being in a population of uneducated cuts down opportunities for all, there is no escaping that you rely on social systems.
whydid666 2 years ago
@whydid666 ah, more obedient tax cattle...the puppets you vote for are chosen, so you really have no free choice in voting..but you're blind to that.
pretorious700 11 months ago
These people, in the interests of stopping health care reform in the U.S., are willing to lie, lie and lie again about the Canadian system. Its an insult to Canadians. Look. Canada does not spend as much per capita, (per person) as the US even considering the millions that have no coverage. The US system is inefficient. The US, with private and public funds included, spends 5% more of its GDP on health care. Canada needs to spend more. Its nothing to do with private or 'socialised'. FUCK YOU.
timoteiy 2 years ago
Hi, welcome to adult conversation. Here if you use the word "fuck" most will ignore you as a twat. But not me I've got too much love.
The US HC market is not a free market nor "private." like all sectors of the US economy, it is a chimera of economic fascism(look it up)/state capitalism(mercantilism)/corporatism, enfroced by the state that inflates prices, limits competition, benefits corporations and screws most every1. stefbot in no way defended the US hc system, but a free market.
ThePintsizeslasher 2 years ago 3
If after viewing this whole video filled with countless arguments (even right or wrong) the only thing you can come up with is "give the government more money" then you are indeed a pretty solid twat.
StrafingMoose 2 years ago 2
@timoteiy no one is defending the current system. This comment is nonsensical. The US system is a socialist/corporatist system.
libertyplayground 2 years ago 5
The "queue jumping" described in this video is a nice summary of what the American system is. It may happen in Canada, but it's built into the American system. The richest get the best access to the best service. The instances of people using their connections to jump the line is inherent in the private American system.
spacekangaroo 2 years ago
Videos like this compare the quality of care experiences by the general population of Canada to that experienced by the rich people who use private care. What's beyond shocking is the experiences of poorer people in the States.
spacekangaroo 2 years ago
Oh baloney! I'm next to poor and I see the best doctors in the country anytime I want to.12 million don't have health care insurance in America. It's not 45 million. The 45 million includes illegals (which are mainly Mexican citizens) and foreign college students. The illegals in this country have free health care in their own country.
blueskiesovergeorgia 2 years ago
Your experience doesn't reflect that of other poor people in America, particularly those with more serious and advanced diseases for whom finances are actually a burden in deciding whether to pursue treatment or not.
spacekangaroo 2 years ago
I am so glad I found your channel. This video series in particular confirms my conclusions on this subject. Thank you for organizing all of this data here in one place.
FearsEdge 2 years ago
LMAO of course u'd read the CBC article, it was directed from this guy's page, he's not gonna put something on there that doesn't support his view would he?
and just the fact that you are calling cbc socialist makes you look stupid
what do you want me to refute? this guy spent over half the video giving us his resume, and the rest regurgitating what all the anti-reformists have been saying. if you hate UH so much then leave canada, then you can actually learn to appreciate what you had
rfuaonl 2 years ago
the fact of the matter is that his references do not hold water, and its not just my opinion. almost all the references blatantly have the word "libertarian" on it somewhere, and a couple of them are blogs, BLOGS!!! i can write a blog and call it a reference too if i want to. now i'm questioning whether YOU have looked at the references, if u just read the fricking word, u'll see how it's not neutral
i dont need to "provide a source that refutes the reference" because the reference is opinions
rfuaonl 2 years ago
o and just so you know, a blog isnt a reliable "reference"
rfuaonl 2 years ago
i never said anything about them being "too libertarian", the sites ARE libertarian sites, why dont u try to shoot down that objection?
rfuaonl 2 years ago
actually did check the site, over 90% of the "references" are libertarian sites, the few that are actually non-POV do not really support his views. For example, everyone already knows of the shortages of doctors in canada, but the purpose of that article is not to get rid of the system, but to expose the problem so it would be solved.
rfuaonl 2 years ago
Referencing pov sites could be problematic, especially if they are blogs, but to claim that an someone cannot reference a source of authority's statistics merely because they might not agree with his/her world view is ridiculous. From that perspective all an anarchist, or any minority viewpoint for that matter, could reference IS pov sources. C'mon.
briano8713 2 years ago
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lol this guy's just pulling numbers and ideas out of his ass. Can i have some actual sources of the bullshit he was saying?
too funny, "doctors forced back to work at gunpoint" right.. if that really happened I'd have learned about it
constructive arguments please, either give me real sources or STFU
rfuaonl 2 years ago
References to the right, and you might want to switch to at least half decaf.
stefbot 2 years ago 13
right.. the link on the right, which is um... YOUR WEBSITE? -_-
rfuaonl 2 years ago
@rfuaonl
Anytime the Government tells you to do something you are being forced to do it at gunpoint.
Don't you understand that simple point by now? If you had a choice, if lethal force weren't an option to enforce their whims, then they would cease to be "The State". That is the intrinsic quality which makes them "Government".
Zen5012 1 year ago
I recently spent 21 hours in the hospital. I was there for observation due to chest pain. Nothing was wrong, it was just gas ;) Care to guess what the total bill was? $100. Co-pay, $11,000.00 to my insurance co. and another $500.00 in 'extra' bills to me. So 11,600.00 or 552.38 Per HOUR! I could go to Tahiti for a bloody MONTH for that much money! So naturally, I'm going to use the system to fuck the system and not pay this extra 500.00. Two can play this game...
kingofthebrittains 2 years ago
$2,000 bill to go to the hospital ER to get a perscription for an infected tooth because my dentist was on vacation.
How can anyone say this system is working?
deadman12078 2 years ago 2
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Obama has said ( many times) that he does NOT favor the Canadian or UK model. He says it over and over and over and over...i kid you not.
But the opposition keeps bringing up Canada and the UK until the gullible public thinks thats what is on the table.
Its called a straw-man argument.. to argue against something that was never proposed. But its effective...so the opposition uses it.
givethemahand 2 years ago
Side note about the "NASA Syndrome": If we had privatized the space industry, from the beginning, we would have landed on Mars long ago, have visited the other planets long ago, would have much greater technology today, and have access to the solar systems great resources and made life around the world better. So thank you huge bureaucracy for keeping us down and decades behind what we could have been!
VisitingXenoc133 2 years ago 2
Amazing series. Everyone should watch these.
boxant 2 years ago
Thanks!
stefbot 2 years ago
You are an idiot !
Go back to your Orange hall !
AmericanScoundrel 2 years ago
you're entire argument is based on the premise that people are greedy. What your saying is no one goes into health care because they genuinely care about other peoples well being? That's just being ignorant. Giving yourself to a cause has a greater reward than any amount of competition or material reward. If your a health care professional you're rewarded not only for helping others but you're also getting paid to do it. I believe people going into healthcare now geniunely care about people
millberg8 2 years ago
millberg: what's your definition of the term 'greed'? I don't think terms need to be defined here...
atrickpay11 2 years ago
A new poll conducted by the Toronto-based Nanos Research points to overwhelming support — 86.2 percent — for strengthening public health care rather than expanding for-profit services.
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
"the Toronto-based Nanos Research points to overwhelming support..."
I don't give a shit if all 6 billion people on Earth agree to mug me. I'd still oppose it.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
cont: But the people don't have to choose between the Amerofascism and Eurofascism. They COULD choose freedom, voluntaryism, NO aggression. Yes, there'd be profits. So? The problem is State-based aggression driving the prices. Take, for example, the laws banning people from purchasing insurance outside their states. Remove them and there would be more competition and costs would fall. And that's just one DOZENS of ways by which you could disentangle the State from medicine and deflate costs.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
You wouldn't know what fascism is even if Dick Cheney shot in the face with his shotgun. What do you mean SO? So what that 6 Americans die because they don't have Health Insurance? You really don't give a crap about your fellow American do you? Look we have Public Schools & Public Roads. We DO NOT go around calling them Socialist Schools & Socialist Roads. Tell me how many Socialist Roads did you drive on this past week. The NEOCON spin masters call it Socialist Health Care & you blindly buy it.
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
The State interferes in the medical industry in dozens of ways, restricting supply, restricting competition, distorting the market, driving prices up. Now you want to pile more statism on top of the old statism. That's the statist's solution for everything. Every single problem on this Earth can be cured with just a LITTLE more State, even if the problem was the State's fault in the first place (it usually is). Just get the State OUT of the medical industry.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
everything you hold as great examples are unconstitutional. the federal gov. has no place in road construction or education. but i guess if they were not in education they could not dumb us down to the point of us not seeing the obvious, that they are grossly incompetent in anything they do outside of war.
ibo1978 2 years ago
Though the Federal government does provide some funding, the overall discretionary responsibility and ownership of Public Schools, and Roads, is with with the State [Article Four: States' powers and limits].
It is because of our ability to rapidly move materials [roads] and possess high percentage of educated citizens [schools] United States became the dominant Power [at all levels] in the 20th century, & today.
Without these roads & schools we would be no better that present day Afghanistan.
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
we were dominant before the fed got involved in the road construction business. and we were smarter before the fed got involved with education. what the gov. run schools have done is educate us in the 10 planks of communism instead of the 10 amendments. that is where the breakdown has occurred. we have citizens that don't have a clue about the differences in the political economic systems of the world (i.e. capitalism, fascism, communism and socialism).
ibo1978 2 years ago
What nonsense. American schools are terrible; they've functioned for decades primarily as vehicles for government propaganda. How many Americans know the true origins of wars their government started throughout the last century, for instance? US schools teach obedience to authority above all; don't think, just shut up and do as your told. With the free internet finally people are beginning to educate themselves and discover truth.
Roads? What leads you to imagine bureaucrats are efficient?
leafwatch 2 years ago 6
As an anarchist, I'm against the State's dangerous, congested roads and I oppose the State's child incarceration/indoctrination facilities. I believe in the ability of a voluntary society to provide any service better than State aggression can. Aggression is always inefficient and aggression is always wrong.
OldCottage2 2 years ago 2
Still waiting for the appointment for my hip resurfacing after signing for the operation last October. Supposedly a 10 -12 month wait, but I still don't know when it will happen or if I am even on the list.
And I can't change my family doctor, even if she was incompetant, because there is no replacement.
Our system isn't the Soviet breadline system many Conservative Shills for the US insurance industry make it, nor is it the panacea the lefties make it.
Stef has it bang on.
johnycannuk 2 years ago
The current system is parasitic, only 67 cents of every dollar goes to actual treatment.
Healing is both MENTAL as will as psychical. When a recovering cancer patient is receiving medical bills in the thousand because insurance is refusing or balking on coverage the added [unnecessary] stress can contribute to a relapse.
But lets get to the REAL ISSUE! Bottom line - on a National Health Care System THE RICH can no longer cut to the front anymore but have to get in line with the rest of us.
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
THE RICH as you call them can cut in line because they own it all, and they lobbied for all the regulations and all the shit that makes medical care so expensive now.
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
In other words,the government has prohibited people from willingly paying for quicker healthcare, which some of those "rich" would willingly pay much more for. THis is not a good thing.
KraljevicPavle 2 years ago
Exactly, our system needs reform; however all the flowers and sunshine people expect from socialized health care is not what they will get.
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
"...on a National Health Care System THE RICH can no longer cut to the front anymore but have to get in line with the rest of us."
Yes "the rich" (boo! scary!) can, and that's not even the problem. The problem is that in a free market you can change your coverage. In a State-run system you can't, and if you think the bureaucrats who run the State don't "balk" about money, you've never encountered the IRS.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
Millions of people in the UK have private healthcare, usually paid for by their company.
If you can afford it then of course you can change your coverage!
The NHS is just a way to make sure that people who can't afford it aren't left to die like they are in the US.
Yes it has it's problems but for the most part it does work and it costs less.
u9941843 2 years ago
Right, just like State's schools are merely an option for those that can't afford the private schools who's prices have been driven up by the State's schools. How thankful the Brits must be for Great Father who takes their money from them at the point of a gun and deciding how to spend it. The tax livestock are just too stupid make such decisions themselves, you know. Did you even watch his video? Do you even understand the first thing about economics or even human freedom? Do you even care?
OldCottage2 2 years ago
What exactly do you think we have elections for? Governments enforce tax policies that people voted for! If 'the tax livestock' as you put it don't like what a government is doing then they vote them out. That's called democracy.
If your economic knowledge was as good as you think it is then you'd have heard of a concept called 'market failure' which is when makets fail to provide public and merit goods satisfactorily - one of the basic reasons why govenments exist.
u9941843 2 years ago
ulonglistofnumbers: I oppose your "democracy." I support individual freedom. It's no less evil for 99.9% of the population to oppress one man as it is for one dictator to oppress 99.9% of the population. Down with tyranny of the majority!
"Market failure." As much of a reality as the woodland elves.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
And in a Free Market system if you cannot afford coverage & pay the premiums [an many cannot] YOUR DEAD!
In the last 40 years is out-of-control escalating cost of medication and surgical procedures.
Elderly in the US are forced to purchase only affordable drugs from Canada. What did our government do? Passed legislation making Grandpa & Grandma criminals. Nice!
Don't kid yourself & DON'T KID ME! The only thing insurance companies are worried about is PROFIT, at the expense of human life.
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
More nonsense. I'm so sick of arguing about this and refuting the same mindless arguments over and over and over and over. "The only thing insurance companies are worried about is PROFIT." Oh, who cares, you zombie? They can be the greediest pigs on Earth for all I care, so long as they don't commit violence against, which the State does almost constantly. If you're so bereft of logic can't differentiate between violence and voluntary interaction, what's the use of arguing with you?
OldCottage2 2 years ago
Because its about Life & Death!
6 Americans DIE each day because they don't have Medical Insurance. With escalating layoffs this year alone its going to get worst.
Do you think the insurance companies are going to lower their policy cost, lower their deductibles, expand their coverage for those who have been laid off or for families that can barely make ends meet? HELL NO!
WHY? Because they are PROFIT driven.
They spend 1.4 million dollars each day campaigning against Health Care Reform alone.
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
You, like all the others, paint this as a choice between the fascist US "healthcare system" and the fascist Euro "healthcare system." Neither is pure free market nor pure socialism. Rather BOTH are mixed up, muddled up "mixed economy/social democracy" messes, and that is why BOTH are such disasters.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
Does anyone have a right to health care? If you are stranded on an island with a broken leg does a health care fairy come down and patch you up? No? Then health care is a commodity. You are no more entitled to health care than you are to food, water, or shelter.
I will agree our health care system needs changing. BUT the only thing the government should do is deregulate.
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
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Why am I still subscribed to you!?
ShadowCrashed81 2 years ago
Perhaps because The Stef is brilliant? :)
EmBeeee 2 years ago
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As brilliant as a lamp post
ShadowCrashed81 2 years ago
Because he's right.
andersoncouncil1968 2 years ago
So we agree that there is inherent flaws in both free market and social systems. What else can one expect when dealing with humans? I for one, take offense to the notion that sick people are nothing but costumers in a consumer position. If you were ill would you like to deal with someone who was on the payroll of some big pharma? "I see you are sick, try PAINAWAY(tm)!" I would never trust a doctor who's in it for the money, becuase that seems like he didnt make it into lawschool.
TheDeadlyKind 2 years ago
"So we agree that there is inherent flaws in both free market and social systems."
The flaws in the free market are pretty pink puppy dogs compared to the flaws in aggressively enforced "social systems."
"I would never trust a doctor who's in it for the money"
You expect them do to it free?
OldCottage2 2 years ago
I stopped listening at "epic fail"
Seriously, dude? You're like, fucking 30 years old, man.
dudlemann 2 years ago
There are no examples of successful free market health systems.
y0ssar1an 2 years ago
We must have a single payer health care system only. We can't afford anything else. US spend on health care 15.4% of GDP (that is a low figure) including both state and private. As a whole Europe spends 9.6% of GDP on universal health care. The Republicans and or the O'bama plan, is just more of the same fraud. Plenty of profit for the greedy pharmaceuticals and the health care companies. We should emulate the Veterans Administration. Our own national, 1 payer system that works.
MyImago 2 years ago
"We can't afford anything else. US spend on health care 15.4% of GDP (that is a low figure) including both state and private. As a whole Europe spends 9.6% of GDP on universal health care."
So our choice is between US-brand "mixed economy" fascism and Euro-brand "mixed economy" fascism?
OldCottage2 2 years ago
Not to be annoying, but can I ask for an online source of the information used in this video?
nhmllr725 2 years ago
sure, just click to the right, in the description...
stefbot 2 years ago
Thanks
Sometimes I don't think straight
nhmllr725 2 years ago
I would also love to be able to use the power point presentation you set up because I would love to give this talk here in Australia. Stef do you give out your PP files? I will credit you for sure.
jaminunit 2 years ago 2
Lastly, I have to conclude that Anarco-capitalism is a large bourgeois philosophy. One that arises from personal financial success (mostly a matter luck in itself). It is a philosophy of one that wishes to not himself be coerced but yet to justify and retain a level of marterial comfort and wealth which is arguably only obtainable through the direct or indirect coercion and exploitation of others.
inactivism 2 years ago
that doesnt make sense. If I go to the market and sell some corn that I grow am I coercing anyone? no, its voluntary. there is work every where, mowing lawn, painting fences, doing dishes programing and so on. the thing that stops people from paying other people to do those jobs is lack of the liquidity to pay them. so the fundamental flaw with our capitalist system is the government having the monopoly of currency creation. The free market if left alone is stunning in its simplicity. like e=mc2
jaminunit 2 years ago
Not really. The free market gave us child labor, sweatshops, and scab workers.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
hm not really, considering that sweat shops are legal in communist china. not only legal, operated by govt
anarchojoseph 2 years ago
who aren't really communists at all and are adopting more and more capitalist policies.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
No, they were socialist and tens of millions of people died under Mao's regime.
They adopted some capitalist policies and 10 of millions of people were raised out of poverty. Same with India.
TheFreshlock 2 years ago
I'm talking abut now. If sweatshops are legal then that's not exactly raising a bunch of people out of poverty it's just turning them into wage slaves with zero rights. And mixed economies do work better than purely capitalist or communist.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
You could go on for infinity with all the atrocities that governments have caused throughout history. Free markets have rarely occurred on this planet, but we have infinite cases of government interference in capitalism.
hooverdog1957 2 years ago
well that's something i think we can all agree with
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
Child labor: So you're saying that poor people should be forcibly prevented from earning a living if they're below a certain arbitrary age determined by the King?
Sweatshops: So you're saying that poor people should be forcibly prevented from earning a living if the conditions in which they work are deemed not good enough by the King?
Scab worker: So you're saying that poor people should be forcibly prevented from working if they don't belong to a labor cartel protected by the King?
OldCottage2 2 years ago
Indeed. Capitalism has nothing to do with anarchism either all it does is advocate rule by corporations.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
With all due respect this is a mistaken view, Its governments that create environments where people have no choice but to work in sweatshops because they manipulate currency and are corrupt. For instance the Chinese have for years have promoted child labor / sweatshops because they wanted the worlds industry. A truly free market equalizes that out. eventually people find better paying jobs because someone will pay 10cents more a hour, then someone else another 10. until market price is reached.
jaminunit 2 years ago
The multinationals already wield enormous power and can take advantage of other countries situations to provide lower costs that drive small businesses under. Basically the wal-mart affect. The government doesn't create the environment the government protects it which is very different. If you got rid of the government what's to stop them from just hiring free market militias to protect their vital corporate interests? Capitalism itself breeds inequality by its very nature.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
youre an idiot. go learn something, troll
anarchojoseph 2 years ago
wonderfully educated rebuttal. I like how you call people who just happen to disagree with you trolls too.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
Du jour corporations can't operate without governments. Stef already made a video about this entitled "Corporatism and Survival". Check it out
TheFreshlock 2 years ago
just went and watched it. It's actually the most well thought out argument addressing that situation.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
"The multinationals already wield enormous power and can take advantage of other countries situations to provide lower costs that drive small businesses under. Basically the wal-mart affect."
Predatory pricing is yet another myth promulgated by Big Business in order to protect itself from competition. Big Business thanks you for your gullibility.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
Corporations are a product of government. Capitalism rarely exists because of government interference. Almost every aspect of our lives is controlled by government.
hooverdog1957 2 years ago
yes children should be free from being exploited.
yes poor people should have safe working conditions.
yes the working men/women should stop those who would help the bosses in their exploitation of the workers.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
Adam: You wouldn't know the meaning of the word "exploitation" if it jumped up and bit you on the petard. Just stop talking until you can understand the difference between aggression and non-aggression and stop mindlessly regurgitating the economic fallacies of that Prussian witchdoctor, Karl Marx. I'm so sick of you pro-violence people.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
neither would you. I'm also not a fan of Karl Marx I lean more towards Rudolf Rocker. Try reading a history book sometime and maybe you'll learn what real violence is.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
Just respect the freedom of the individual, including his property rights. If you don't, who can blame him for fighting against it?
OldCottage2 2 years ago
I'm making a distinction between the individual and let's say wal-mart.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
Why? Is not Wal-Mart made up of individuals?
OldCottage2 2 years ago
Not even remotely the same thing. A corporation is not a person. A corporation is harmful to an individual.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
I didn't say it was a person. I said it was made up of people. And IF it's a VOLUNTARY association of people, then what's the problem? It's just a business model.
Now, you may say that the corporate business model couldn't exist without the aggressive protection of the State. I think that the corporate business model could be mimicked in a voluntary society with contracts. But if not, fine. Let's have a fully voluntary society, and we'll see whether corporations can exist in a true free market.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
see its the state really thats the whole problem because without it then syndaclists like myself and anarcho-capitalists like you guys could each be in our own separate communities which could trade with each other without having to dictate each other's economic policies.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
Excellent! Then there's no argument, so long as you don't try to take our property.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
As long as we aren't forced into a system where we need any we won't want any.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
I would never aggress against your voluntary syndicate.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
Then you are correct there is no argument.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
OK. Then I apologize for calling you a Marxist.
OldCottage2 2 years ago
Further i find in this video, as I do in many of Stef's, that, along with his contempt and disgust of the public sector, there is a certain fetishism and exaltation of the private sector. While I agree almost completely with Stef's view of government, I am amazed by this capitalism good, government bad mentality. It ignores the inherent coerciveness and exploitation of the private sector and its inseparable symbiotic relationship with the state.
inactivism 2 years ago
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I think this Anarcho-capitailistic view is a self contradictory one. If anarchism is the desire to abolish all systems of coercion it would seem irreconcilable with capitalism. While it may well be "reconcilable" for those on top (the bosses and owners), laborers would easily see the hypocrisy of such a situation and to suggest that capitalism could exist without an exploited class of workers is absurd both rationally and empirically.
inactivism 2 years ago
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inactivism 2 years ago
This video seems to be intended to address the debate in America about establishing a government funded health care insurance program. Yet it doesn't address that issue at all. It rather is a critique of socialized health providers, not insurers. No one has suggested that the government take over providers, merely that a socialized payment system be established in order to address the fact that millions of Americans cannot afford coverage. Does the method of payment affect the quality of care?
inactivism 2 years ago
The bill is a pretty big step towards a single payer system. The bill is intended to displace much or private insurance, and force to rest to march lockstep with the government program.
Like public education, public insurance is likely to displace most of the non tax funded services.
WorBlux 2 years ago
If healthcare is a right why isn't sex? The purpose of living is to make our genetic imprint on humanity so shouldn't this be a right also?
ALittleBitPregnant 2 years ago
i have got to agree with the short run argument, for example we have the soviet union. now i kno their is alot of reasons that lead to the colapse but if u look at just the output of the economy it had a huge surge, their people where more than happy to live and work. but then as time goes on there was a gradual drop off
i find this video to be a great tie in for the last video
starloserMIA 2 years ago
While I generally don't agree with your stance you usually make a fair case for it. However this case seemed to be fairly slanted. I'm not implying lies, but your use of statistics seems deceptive. Take your example about drug research. You state 60% occurs in the US, but the federal government accounts for a large portion of that. And private research cosists largely of "MeToo" drugs which offer little or no functional improvement to currently available medications.
Sarren187 2 years ago
Quality as usual, Stef! I have been wondering for a while now what you had to say about health care, and these videos definitely bring up a lot more valid points than other articles and videos I have seen.
ufee 2 years ago
Great information Stefan! I'm curious as to what you think of Michael Moore's efforts concerning this (namely, the movie Sicko). I have to admit that when it first came out, it made me envy Canada's health care system....and I'm *pretty* sure that's what "informs" most people who are all for going that route here in the USofA.
citnaj 2 years ago
He made a review of Sicko, but if I remember correctly, it is only for donators.
Servilats 2 years ago
Excellent exposé. I'm sending it to my brother who, I swear, just looöøøøøøves socialism in health care, even though he had to wait for weeks and see multiple practitioners to get a diagnosis of asthma.
RuddODragonFear 2 years ago
I am currently studying Medicine in Canada and you truly shocked me (in a good way) with this video. Thanks for the enlightenment the situation is really way worse than what I've thought.
What can a new comer in the health care field do about the stiuation?
quakergamer 2 years ago
Do you think it is moral to profit from human misery, even without guns being involved?
Why do you live in Canada if the Canadian health system is so horrible? Why don't you move to the U.S.A?
bwehrens 2 years ago
This was a very fascinating series Stef. I look forward to part three.
"Do you think it is moral to profit from human misery, even without guns being involved?"
The basic theory of true economics is that people respond to incentives. I am an EMT. Why should I go to work if I know I won't benefit?
sigatus 2 years ago 3
The same case can be made for food. Do you think it is moral to profit from human hunger, like... selling a cheeseburger?
It is moral to provide for other's needs in exchange for value. I see no problem there.
hugonz 2 years ago
yeah its immoral to profit human human needs.
people who sell beds are profitning off human sleep, people who sell toothpaste profit off human hygiene, and people who build houses are profiting off human need for shelter.
I say all these things are fundemental human rights and people should be forced to give them to each other.
McDicker96 2 years ago
if someone can not profi from FIXING human misery then very few people would try to fix human misery
do you expect to get anything back from your work?
1junk 2 years ago
Do you think it is moral to steal money from me and give it to someone else? This is what government does and you better comply or you go to prison!
hooverdog1957 2 years ago
wonderful exposee
guns guns and more guns !!
now i know why you're bald !! you pulled out all your hair over time while coming to realize all this frustrating truth about power-seeking humans and their methods of controlling complex social problems with violence, and the the endless details of the raunchy mire it produces
many thanks to you, and indeed many thanks to Philosophy
galikazoid 2 years ago
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Great video. Loved the bulletins and like the layout. Pretty cool setup.
And of course, as always, it was very informative!
MRSketch09 2 years ago
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bwelkk 2 years ago
Congressional say the government plans to suspend the popular "cash for clunkers" program amid concerns it could quickly use up the $1 billion in rebates for new car purchases.
The Transportation Department called congressional offices late Thursday to alert them to the decision to halt the program, which offered owners of old cars and trucks $3,500 or $4,500 toward a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle.
And now you idiots want the Gov't to run healthcare?
dkkght46 2 years ago 2
Only in government... they blew through, and put us deeper in debt by US $1Billion - all within a week - and call it a success!!
MengersDisciple 2 years ago
thats because the auto industry actually made a profit because of it.
AdamOutrage 2 years ago
Great video Stef, as always
Stargazer5781 2 years ago
o.o
Michael Moore lied, then.
DeeperBlueX16 2 years ago 2
My guess is Michael Moore does not any real economics - he's a film maker.
Much like people on CNBC are journalists and entertainers, not economists.
MengersDisciple 2 years ago
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April to December?! .. Man if it had of been something serious.. if you were not dead by the time that date rolled around, you might of been at deaths door.
That is freaking horrible.
MRSketch09 2 years ago
It's completely and utterly shocking and I am sure it's the same here in the UK if not worse! Indeed, over 5000 people die every year in the UK...... AS A RESULT of going into a hospital, because of the MRSA virus!!!!
CelticReject 2 years ago
hey stef. if the healthcare in canada is so bad why are you still living there? just curious.. thx.
Rekopaa 2 years ago
Wow! I had no clue that records of individual doctors were hidden. That's so sick. Great video.
LilAlexInWonderland 2 years ago 3
I didn't understand the last part where you gave facts about medical innovations. Weren't those good numbers?
Medical ensurance really is a good posterchild for capatalism IMO. It will actually reward healthy people by offering lower ensurance fees.
Medical innovation not so much. There isn't enough competition to prevent monopolies from abusing their positions and that is dangerous! No private watchdog will do, because sickness makes people desperate enough to take whatever they can get.
RoyvanKeulen 2 years ago
IE state healthcare
fergus247 2 years ago
Absolutely terrific video! By bar the best I have seen. Thank you very much for posting this video. Regards, RJ
TripperLV 2 years ago 2
#1: Technology should be making healthcare cheaper. A single MRI can replace so many other tests, for example. The sonogram, which is less expensive than an MRI, can do as much or more. Anyone who sez "technology makes healthcare more expensive" is an idiot.
#2: Our biggest problem in healthcare is beauracracy. Administrative costs, so I hear, are through the roof.
#3: Fee for service would be excellent, but at least I find it almost impossible to find.
LeksServices 2 years ago 2
Superb in every regard. Astounding that people support socialised medicine and care. It's literally murdering thousands, if not millions of people.
L1ber8ted 2 years ago 3
Absolutely the finest video/s ever made about the evils of socialized/state healthcare. If this can't convince people the moral, logical and practical INSANITY of violent government intervention in one of the most critical of industries, then I don't know what can. Probably nothing, since socialists are essentially political creationists. Their capacity to reason has been utterly crippled through generations of institutionalised state violence and propaganda.
lukeev 2 years ago 5
This more than answered my question posted in Part 1.
newexperiment 2 years ago 2
BC BUD FTW
trevor920 2 years ago 3
I am in Toronto. I have tried for years to get a permanent family doctor but no one has room in their folio for me. When I need to see a doctor, I go to a walk-in clinic and wait for 3 hours to see a nurse.
NaturalLogorithm 2 years ago 6
your input is much appreciated considering our current situation in the us.people here need to know what this type of healthcare entails.
throwntomato 2 years ago 3
btw you do get more pay the more north you go.
Mahoivlich 2 years ago
specialized care is prioritized similar to triage and it is the elderly that usually have to wait as they would rather get people back to work paying taxes.
Mahoivlich 2 years ago 2
Inevitability combined with horribleness...
Wonderful.
FlailingJunk 2 years ago
I live in Montreal and I don't have a doctor. What's more is that no one I asked has any clue how to get a doctor. Even more shocking is that despite this doctor shortage, the Quebec government is trying to decrease the number of doctors in the city.
On the surface it would seem the system needs to have a vast increase in funding to pay for more doctors and better equipment, but Stef claims this would just make the system worse.
Stephen5000 2 years ago 3
We can never get enough of services that are "free"/ paid by others.
stratvic 2 years ago
All of this discussion would only carry against adopting a single-payer system, not necessarily a health system like France, where people are allowed to purchase health insurance to subsidize their own Government health plan.
migkillertwo 2 years ago
This is likely going to be the approach taken in the US, just because of the politics involved. But, in the end, it all ends up in the same place: The Shitter. it may take another 30 years longer, but it will crash. The government doesn't create anything. It siphons off creativity and takes credit for it, until there's none left. Then it collapses. Hopefully, the world will be wise enough not to create another behemoth, once this one finally perishes.
FreeSelfProject 2 years ago 5