Well, an English Longbow is called so because it is made in England, you can buy a `Longbow` from anywhere, lots of people make them, but if you really want an `English Longbow` then you will have to buy one from England.
Ive always wanted a self english longbow but there always to expensive there like 700-4000 and non of them sell to australia :P damm im so moving to england or somewhere colder and has more interest in traditional archery.
@RichardHeadLongbows Not correct the English longbow is called the English longbow because of the return curves at the ends. The same as you get on small reflex bows. The longbow from Wales doesnt have this regiment. The English refinements a thought to have been introduced after the first crusades and bow makers coming into contact with Moorish bows. These bows where based on Persian bows
@tina6581 You have things mixed up a little and are taking my comments above out of context, The `English Longbow` is a comparatively new term and the person who enquired wanted to buy an `English Longbow` so buying one from England would be the answer to "where to get an English Longbow?" as in America Longbow is used to describe a very different type of Longbow, what we would call a `flatbow`, I made no attempt to say what the construction of an `English Longbow` would be.
@tina6581 good info would you let me know the names of some books on the subject as many old drawings show return curves at the end and it would be common sens to make simple modifications after being on the other end of some very advanced and effective bows.
Thanks for your message, we have been using canvas for years in archery behind targets when doing simulated hunting (field shooting) when we dont want arrows going to far past the target if an Archer misses. It works very well.
I know for certain that a 50 lbs longbow shooting a 3/8" hickory shafted feathered arrow with a 1000 grain bodkin tip (1500 grain including shaft and feathers) will easily penetrate car doors and oil drums. ive split 1" pine boards with such arrows. however, an arrow fired from a longbow with a field tip or target tip will bounce off of nearly everything.
Umm even in French they say fire, in movies too( even thought they're neknowned of faking out history). I can't prove you but there must me historical proofs that show out saying fire.
Like when you commandeer a group of archers to fire maybe. That's because of speech only during a battle or something, when you have to talk loud so everybody hears. But he's right you don't fire an arrow, you shoot one.
Yes it is, we bought it off ebay thinking it was an an iron age fort, however it turned out to be an iron ford, oh well, that will teach me to read listings incorrectly!
that is why tanto blade kbars are against the law were i live they will cut right tru a vest ! i have seen it at a show first hand plasticboat needs to do more looking in books even the best dragon scales cant stop a AP 30.06 "yet"
I don't think so, I mean a bullet can blast things an arrow would bounce off of (like metal plates). I think the issue is the arrow is larger, so the the diffusion of energy a kevlar vest utilizes is insufficent to prevent penetration.
Kevlar vests stop bullets by absorbing and diffusing the impact. Arrows work by cutting, not by bludgeoning. Kevlar will resist cutting, but not generally by enough to stop an arrow from a decently powerful bow. Additionally, a bodkin point is like a needle. You'll find that ammunition that will penetrate a vest (like a .22) has about the same profile.
The ceramic plates they use in armour to stop rifle bullets will almost always stop an arrow though.
@GoodSirPete Not correct. bullet has much higher energy than an arrow. While .38spl (a common pistol bullet) has about 300 Joules of energy, common bow with 70lbs draw weight and 1 yds draw length stores about 150 joules. And bow cannot delever 100% of the energy to arrow...
he's right, a bulletproof vest, nor a stab proof vest will stop an arrow, only if there is the right amount of buffering cushions can those stop arrows.
Richard, it's great to see some videos of your bows in action :)
I have just recently decided to take up archery and the ONLY style of shooting that has interested me is the traditional English Longbow, as I feel that modern archery relys on too many gadgets and guides to help make being accurate a little easier, which is just lame.
I'll be sending you an e-mail to your site and hopefuly I'll be placing an order with you sometime soon. Willie
Indeed, thanks stevevox1, amazing how a simple back garden video causes so much discussion, for serious penetration stuff on youtube see `englishwarbow` videos, they have lots...
if u want to trash it more try getting hold of a longbodkin there about £3 the arrow heads and with ym 50lb bow at 25 yards i cna stick it though the straw butts everytime so god knows what that would do to that bonet
You are correct, the posting you refer to was aimed (excuse the pun) at war equipment thus `war shooting`,arrows are shot into the air and then drop down on the enemy with increased power, the feathers have had time to do the job of straightening the arrow up and increasing its spin, this all adds to the depth at which the arrow can penetrate compared to the VERY short distance of our trial. Sorry if the previous posting didnt make it clear that this is a comment about war shooting, my fault.
how may i ask will the arrow fall with more power? it is only under the effect of gravity (an acceleration of 9.81 ms^-2) whereas, the acceleration out of the bow is more like 400ms^-2, so could you please explain how you would gain more power?
Perhaps I should have said `penetration power` as I say in my comment, see it again if you missed it, I say "the feathers have had time to do the job of straightening the arrow up and increasing its spin" also bare in mind a knight on horse back coming at you increases the overall speed.
Test have been done on armour/metal by Mark Stretton using war weight bows, at distance and close-up, I am basing this answer on his tests, please do not ask me about formula or `why` it happens I have no idea!!! Ask him.
Indeed it is. A real surprise for such a light weight bow! just goes to show its the heavy arrow and decent bodkin that helps in penetration and not just having a heavy bow.
not deadly ^_^
Immorrttalle 2 years ago
We did something similar last year, but at 40 meters. Some of the arrows had far more penetration than that one.
With a spot of luck, we´ll have another go at car/parts *grin* this sept. or oct.
I'll try and get some pics or a flick on it
Gh0str1d3r1973 2 years ago
Cool, look forward to seeing it, keep us posted.
RichardHeadLongbows 2 years ago
amazing English accent.....
Hwaigon 2 years ago
I live in the US and want to get an English longbow. Where should I go for one?
Silentkill666 3 years ago 3
Well, an English Longbow is called so because it is made in England, you can buy a `Longbow` from anywhere, lots of people make them, but if you really want an `English Longbow` then you will have to buy one from England.
RichardHeadLongbows 3 years ago
Ive always wanted a self english longbow but there always to expensive there like 700-4000 and non of them sell to australia :P damm im so moving to england or somewhere colder and has more interest in traditional archery.
iscay666 2 years ago
@RichardHeadLongbows Not correct the English longbow is called the English longbow because of the return curves at the ends. The same as you get on small reflex bows. The longbow from Wales doesnt have this regiment. The English refinements a thought to have been introduced after the first crusades and bow makers coming into contact with Moorish bows. These bows where based on Persian bows
tina6581 1 year ago 2
@tina6581 You have things mixed up a little and are taking my comments above out of context, The `English Longbow` is a comparatively new term and the person who enquired wanted to buy an `English Longbow` so buying one from England would be the answer to "where to get an English Longbow?" as in America Longbow is used to describe a very different type of Longbow, what we would call a `flatbow`, I made no attempt to say what the construction of an `English Longbow` would be.
RichardHeadLongbows 1 year ago
@tina6581 good info would you let me know the names of some books on the subject as many old drawings show return curves at the end and it would be common sens to make simple modifications after being on the other end of some very advanced and effective bows.
etelonlongbows 1 year ago
england xD
mikleman996 2 years ago
@Silentkill666 ebay and google is your friend...
wolvenblacktalon1 1 year ago
Five to Eight layers of ordinariy canvas will stop anything your longbow will throw at it, especially at that poundage.
If they don't bounce right off, I'll buy you a bagel. I dare you to try and breach folded canvas.
Higher poundage? Put in more layers of canvas. It's analagous to Kevlar, it's how it works.
Deadzo 3 years ago
Thanks for your message, we have been using canvas for years in archery behind targets when doing simulated hunting (field shooting) when we dont want arrows going to far past the target if an Archer misses. It works very well.
RichardHeadLongbows 3 years ago
how far away were you?
pattycake1280 3 years ago
I know for certain that a 50 lbs longbow shooting a 3/8" hickory shafted feathered arrow with a 1000 grain bodkin tip (1500 grain including shaft and feathers) will easily penetrate car doors and oil drums. ive split 1" pine boards with such arrows. however, an arrow fired from a longbow with a field tip or target tip will bounce off of nearly everything.
oobergooberkc 3 years ago
Arrows aren't 'fired' from bows they are SHOT!! Theres no fire involved! It's not a gun.
suspectdevice7 3 years ago
why ya gotta break balls man
thusalwaystotyrants 3 years ago
Cause he's a rolling stone man :)
Urbitrix 3 years ago
Umm even in French they say fire, in movies too( even thought they're neknowned of faking out history). I can't prove you but there must me historical proofs that show out saying fire.
What do you expect commanders to say?
Shoot? Hurl? Throw?
--'
Madmachine73 3 years ago
Like when you commandeer a group of archers to fire maybe. That's because of speech only during a battle or something, when you have to talk loud so everybody hears. But he's right you don't fire an arrow, you shoot one.
abdula31 3 years ago
nope. You 'shoot' a crossbow, 'shoot' a catapult but 'Loose' an arrow.
The command 'Fire' didn't come along until much later in the 1500s when gunpowder was used more.
Urbitrix 2 years ago
or they coulda yelled fire when the archers shot there arrows while alight?
iscay666 2 years ago
yeah but where do u think the term "fire" came from. the introduction of gunpowder poduced the term fire, you loose an arrow
magemager0 2 years ago
Judging from this I have determined that 1) The arrows you craft are very sturdy, and 2) THAT'S FRIGGIN AWESOME!
Thanks for posting this. Ignore the haters.
HereComeTheJudge2 3 years ago 2
is the panel made of iron?
Skioppi 4 years ago
Yes it is, we bought it off ebay thinking it was an an iron age fort, however it turned out to be an iron ford, oh well, that will teach me to read listings incorrectly!
RichardHeadLongbows 4 years ago
Does it really matter!
Archery arrow Vs
Police stab vest - no contest!
Military armoured vest - no contest!
Armoured plate glass (bullet proof) - no contest!
Plastic wheelie bin! Damn it's the best arrow stopper to date!!!
I know I tried all three, including fridges car doors windscreen oak doors breeze blocks Televisions 45gallon oil drums etc
plasticboat 4 years ago
actually an arrow will go through kevlar, as it has a much higher kinetic energy than a bullet
GoodSirPete 4 years ago 8
that is why tanto blade kbars are against the law were i live they will cut right tru a vest ! i have seen it at a show first hand plasticboat needs to do more looking in books even the best dragon scales cant stop a AP 30.06 "yet"
aflacduky 4 years ago
lol. You don't need anything so fancy as a tanto blade k-bar to get through a vest. An ice-pick will do. Or, if you're good, a #2 pencil.
tlhonmey 3 years ago
I don't think so, I mean a bullet can blast things an arrow would bounce off of (like metal plates). I think the issue is the arrow is larger, so the the diffusion of energy a kevlar vest utilizes is insufficent to prevent penetration.
NecrosisOfLight 4 years ago
Kevlar vests stop bullets by absorbing and diffusing the impact. Arrows work by cutting, not by bludgeoning. Kevlar will resist cutting, but not generally by enough to stop an arrow from a decently powerful bow. Additionally, a bodkin point is like a needle. You'll find that ammunition that will penetrate a vest (like a .22) has about the same profile.
The ceramic plates they use in armour to stop rifle bullets will almost always stop an arrow though.
tlhonmey 3 years ago
@GoodSirPete Not correct. bullet has much higher energy than an arrow. While .38spl (a common pistol bullet) has about 300 Joules of energy, common bow with 70lbs draw weight and 1 yds draw length stores about 150 joules. And bow cannot delever 100% of the energy to arrow...
shaind 1 year ago
he's right, a bulletproof vest, nor a stab proof vest will stop an arrow, only if there is the right amount of buffering cushions can those stop arrows.
gojiravsgigan 4 years ago
you have to much money to be wasteing arrows like that
toothpastemoose 3 years ago
Yes, I make bows and arrows for a living, I am therefore rich beyond my wildest dreams! LOL
RichardHeadLongbows 3 years ago
lol .nice
toothpastemoose 3 years ago
Richard, it's great to see some videos of your bows in action :)
I have just recently decided to take up archery and the ONLY style of shooting that has interested me is the traditional English Longbow, as I feel that modern archery relys on too many gadgets and guides to help make being accurate a little easier, which is just lame.
I'll be sending you an e-mail to your site and hopefuly I'll be placing an order with you sometime soon. Willie
WillieDines1 4 years ago 2
lets not argue guys, its pretty impressive anyway
stevevox1 4 years ago 2
Indeed, thanks stevevox1, amazing how a simple back garden video causes so much discussion, for serious penetration stuff on youtube see `englishwarbow` videos, they have lots...
RichardHeadLongbows 4 years ago
my friend saw this and did it with a 100lb bow and it went almost all the way through at i think 20 meters
twiztidfrank325 4 years ago
if u want to trash it more try getting hold of a longbodkin there about £3 the arrow heads and with ym 50lb bow at 25 yards i cna stick it though the straw butts everytime so god knows what that would do to that bonet
alexreid88 4 years ago
The range was about 5 meters, so the arrow hadn't even time to get to its full acceleration yet!!! If it had it would have gone in further.
RichardHeadLongbows 4 years ago
Richard, the instant the arrow leaves the bow, it begins to slow down. Think about it!
901hwx37122 4 years ago
You are correct, the posting you refer to was aimed (excuse the pun) at war equipment thus `war shooting`,arrows are shot into the air and then drop down on the enemy with increased power, the feathers have had time to do the job of straightening the arrow up and increasing its spin, this all adds to the depth at which the arrow can penetrate compared to the VERY short distance of our trial. Sorry if the previous posting didnt make it clear that this is a comment about war shooting, my fault.
RichardHeadLongbows 4 years ago
how may i ask will the arrow fall with more power? it is only under the effect of gravity (an acceleration of 9.81 ms^-2) whereas, the acceleration out of the bow is more like 400ms^-2, so could you please explain how you would gain more power?
TheStringyness 4 years ago
Perhaps I should have said `penetration power` as I say in my comment, see it again if you missed it, I say "the feathers have had time to do the job of straightening the arrow up and increasing its spin" also bare in mind a knight on horse back coming at you increases the overall speed.
RichardHeadLongbows 4 years ago
Test have been done on armour/metal by Mark Stretton using war weight bows, at distance and close-up, I am basing this answer on his tests, please do not ask me about formula or `why` it happens I have no idea!!! Ask him.
RichardHeadLongbows 4 years ago
oh i see, i do apologise, i completely miss read teh bulk of your comment lol.
huttg002 4 years ago
Brilliant!
Raftsmanship 4 years ago
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's a car bonnet..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
englishwarbow 4 years ago
Indeed it is. A real surprise for such a light weight bow! just goes to show its the heavy arrow and decent bodkin that helps in penetration and not just having a heavy bow.
RichardHeadLongbows 4 years ago