Ahh,... the thing is....I used to jam in San Jose with the guy who actually wrote this song. He sent it off to Journey and never herd anything. Then it just showed up on their new album, They didn't even bother to change the name, HAHAHA...after all it was just an instrumental.
I would place the precision of this live playing right up there with RUSH. It is so spot on and razor sharp for a live show its insane! Incredible players! Shameful and truly unfortunate that Journey went down a few notches and changed their direction, however I guess if you want to make money you do what you gotta do. Now that they made their money they should try doing a new experimental album similar to their debut and see how it goes over. Old school fans would LOVE IT!! Heck I would buy it!
I was at all the first Journey shows...,.anticipating that Schon and Rollie were tired of conga songs and wanted to move on. Santana 3 and bits of Caravanserai...showed the teenage prodidgy Schon ripping Carlos apart in the solo arena. Carlos was busted and converged himself into the Mahavishnu-Devadip format. Later Journey had to comprimise the brainchild that Schon and Rollie had originally intended adding Steve Perry hit machine. FYI check Steve Smith on Enigmatic Ocean - Jean Lou Ponty
OK, OK... I checked the Wiki. The members time-line says that Dunbar left in 78-70 range. Since this is 80, I'd have to agree that it's Smith on drums. I'm surprised to see how well he did this considering this was composed years earlier with Dunbar on drums. In my earlier comment, I didn't mean that the band got screwed in a monetary sense... but that WE got screwed in a musical sense, because most (not all) of what came after was pure lowest common denominator garbage.
@IPushHard If it hadn't been for Perry and Cain, songs like this would not be out there for fans to enjoy now. Journey probably would have just faded away. The earlier albums were not big sellers and they were on the verge of losing their record deal when they brought Perry in. Perry brought the music to the masses and the earlier stuff thus kept going.
This is Steve Smith playing the drums on this video. It is NOT Aynsley Dunbar. Go look at a picture of Smith and you'll agree. Dunbar and Smith are both great drummers. They just have different styles.
@IPushHard I will agree with you about Rollie, but you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to drummers........absolutely none! Are you a drummer? How about a musician? I would guess NOT on both counts. Journey couldn't WAIT for Steve Smith to join. If you had the first clue you would understand........... Oh, by the way, this is STEVE SMITH on drums genius. Sheesh..................
@IPushHard Wrong? Oh really? To what part? That you are a non-musician?, not Steve Smith on the drums? Or that you are musically clueless? Look at your posts, how many other people have responded and disagreed with you? What does that tell you? Here's a clue. If you are going to make non-factional comments like you do, you had better be able to take the criticism that comes with it. Anytime that you would like to discuss Mr. Smith or Mr. Dunsbar, you just let me know................
@IPushHard Yeah, that's just what I thought. Don't know what you are blabbering about, can't admit when you are wrong, but argue something to death. You are the typical PERFECT youtube responder. I should have known from the start..............
@IPushHard Ha ha!! You were 'out of it' the minute you opened your mouth! You just weren't smart enough to figure it out then. I knew you would blow up! So predictable! Nice grammar usage also. I can see that spelling is another one of your strong areas. Give it up. You are badly outclassed............
Definitely Steve Smith. Even if he wore a mask, the switching between matched and traditional grip would give it away that's not Dunbar.
Smith does a great job copying the Dunbar studio part, so just hearing it might lead one to think it was Dunbar. But the camera kinda shows Smith's face a little much for anyone familiar with both men to think it's Dunbar.
@IPushHard Sorry, but I actually am pretty sure that the drummer is actually Steve Smith. I recognize the face and how he holds the stick in his left hand...old school jazz style.
Regardless of who it is, this is a SUPERB clip. Great sound for 32 years old. I never heard this song live, and it just grabs you. Neal is one of my all-time fav's, but all of them great musicians.
THIS is the real Journey - not what what wound up on the radio. The best journey are songs like this and "Topaz," "Anyway" (from Look into the future), and "Of a Lifetime."
And, btw, although Steve Smith was excellent, Aynsley Dunbar was the best Journey drummer.
Then you'd be interested to know that Steve Smith had so much trouble followin a click track, Larry London actually re-cut the drum sections. Aynsley Dunbar is a far superior drummer technically. Smith never did the Zappa gig and Dunbar did. This old Journey bitch slaps the new stuff with Jon Cain. He ruined Journey the same way Michael McDonald ruined the Doobie Brothers.
I wouldn't say one is better than the other, but, Dunbar is the original drummer on these songs and the catalyst for the odd time signatures of a lot of this early Journey stuff. Hell, even Rush was so impressed with them on the early tours they did with them, that they, Rush, even incorporated some of that odd timing into their own recordings
Greg Rollie was a good singer,song writer and key boardist. The addition of Steve Perry put Greg Rollie in a spot. Greg still wanted to sing so he left and went solo. Jonathan Cain is just as good as Greg Rollie but better. He helped the band become what they are today. All they need is Steve Smith Back.
@furakkueroru You know, if I didn't know who this was, I wouldn't have any idea it was Journey. Shows the type of band they could of been before Perry interjected his pop music theme. Or as he said once, "Journey needed to take some chances" Yeah like "Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin" was really hanging themselves out to dry. Perry, you are talented, but you suck.
@1danrobbins I agree. I had their first 3 LP's then I heard Wheel In The Sky on the radio I thought what is this? I like the odd Perry song but not nearly as good as their early stuff!
This was my favorite Journey...the whole band was great and there is that classic "going way back" chemistry between Rolie and Schon. Neal definitely has some licks when he fires it up.Cool vid.I remember 1974 when folks thought Kohoutek might hit the earth.lol.Laters!
Dude, thanks for posting this! The older Journey from "in the begining" album was some of my favorite stuff! It rode along with Mahavishnu ,Jan Hammer ,Chick Corea,and Zappa in my 8 track!!
@Peacenrespect I had several similar fusion mix tapes that included Tony Williams Lifetime, Jean Luc Ponty and Gong, along with those you mentioned. Fabulous music!
I saw this show in Cincinnati - it was Journey & The Babys. Just phenomenal. Kohoutek was the highlight of the show for me. I couldn't believe they played it. Awesome. thanks for posting.
I can`t believe that some of this old school Journey even exists. I`m even more surised that they haven`t remastered this and released it on DVD! I could watch this every day and never get tired of it. EVER!
Steve Smith`s a better drummer anyhow! I sure miss those thunderous drum solos at Journey shows today. This is way better than the studio version by far! Deen Castronovo`s a great drummer but we need to bring back "the thunder" to live Journey shows. Those in agreement say I.....
Hardly jazz (although slightly tinged by it), but most definitely prog rock. This version is very good; better than the original. Strange how Journey went from this type of music to things like Escape in only about six years... By the way, the drummer on the original was Aynsley Dunbar, as you almost certainly know. Here it is with Smith.
The drummer is Perry's little brother.
So you can end the debate.
And I'm Perry's wife, and the band
is our wedding band
we are all CANADIAN
FROM WINDSOR ONTARIO CANADA
News
Those are all stage names.
ATM
MARSONATA1 5 days ago
What an EPIC jam session. Absolutely EPIC.
buixrule 2 weeks ago
Steve Smith, what a show off, but you got to love it! Atleast Schon and Valory are still in the band now.
SparkTV 2 months ago
Ahh,... the thing is....I used to jam in San Jose with the guy who actually wrote this song. He sent it off to Journey and never herd anything. Then it just showed up on their new album, They didn't even bother to change the name, HAHAHA...after all it was just an instrumental.
digiminer 2 months ago
At this point, I dont give a flying F!ck who was playing drums.
Could have been Bam Bam as far as Im concerned. Quit commenting to me that it was one or the other.
IPushHard 3 months ago
This is such a great jam! "ROCK ON".
whatsyourtubething1 4 months ago
And the whole audience is thinking, probably saying, "uhm...when is Steve coming back on? What the, who the heck is this anyway?"
EB3EFFECTSFAB 4 months ago
dunbar is better,if smith was so good, he instead would have gotten the pleasure to play with the best musician ever FRANK ZAPPA Take that
f1ncart1 4 months ago in playlist journey
Schon just frikkin' smokes. Jaw-dropping.
dadduorp 5 months ago
Steve Smith one of the greatest Drummers in the World
edbigtruck 6 months ago
I would place the precision of this live playing right up there with RUSH. It is so spot on and razor sharp for a live show its insane! Incredible players! Shameful and truly unfortunate that Journey went down a few notches and changed their direction, however I guess if you want to make money you do what you gotta do. Now that they made their money they should try doing a new experimental album similar to their debut and see how it goes over. Old school fans would LOVE IT!! Heck I would buy it!
Illuminatus1978 8 months ago
now,that is some shredwork.Is neal playing a GMP?
stoofbuis 10 months ago
I was at all the first Journey shows...,.anticipating that Schon and Rollie were tired of conga songs and wanted to move on. Santana 3 and bits of Caravanserai...showed the teenage prodidgy Schon ripping Carlos apart in the solo arena. Carlos was busted and converged himself into the Mahavishnu-Devadip format. Later Journey had to comprimise the brainchild that Schon and Rollie had originally intended adding Steve Perry hit machine. FYI check Steve Smith on Enigmatic Ocean - Jean Lou Ponty
anthonyvoneckstein18 10 months ago
@Ricksvidz That's Steve Smith on drums
keithr63 10 months ago
@keithr63 Yes. When he had hair. lol
Ricksvidz 10 months ago
OK, OK... I checked the Wiki. The members time-line says that Dunbar left in 78-70 range. Since this is 80, I'd have to agree that it's Smith on drums. I'm surprised to see how well he did this considering this was composed years earlier with Dunbar on drums. In my earlier comment, I didn't mean that the band got screwed in a monetary sense... but that WE got screwed in a musical sense, because most (not all) of what came after was pure lowest common denominator garbage.
IPushHard 10 months ago
@IPushHard that's because steve is one of the drummers in the world
stoofbuis 10 months ago
prog rock delux
tbop42 9 months ago
@IPushHard If it hadn't been for Perry and Cain, songs like this would not be out there for fans to enjoy now. Journey probably would have just faded away. The earlier albums were not big sellers and they were on the verge of losing their record deal when they brought Perry in. Perry brought the music to the masses and the earlier stuff thus kept going.
OnmyJrny 8 months ago
@IPushHard No guess is required. That's Steve Smith.
yesspaz 3 months ago
This is Steve Smith playing the drums on this video. It is NOT Aynsley Dunbar. Go look at a picture of Smith and you'll agree. Dunbar and Smith are both great drummers. They just have different styles.
Scouttheroads 1 year ago
Steve Smith? That Ansley Dunbar on drums.
....and journey was never the same without him on drums and Greg Rolle on vocal.
Neil Schon (not sure spelled rigth) was tearing shit up too.
This is the best band that ever got completely screwed by going commercial.
Seriously.
IPushHard 1 year ago
@IPushHard This was in 1980, so Dunbar had been replaced by Smith by this time.
Ricksvidz 1 year ago 2
@IPushHard That is Steve Smith on drums.
becharger1 10 months ago
@IPushHard I guess you have a point....those hundreds of millions....what a waste.
rooseguitar64 10 months ago
@IPushHard I will agree with you about Rollie, but you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to drummers........absolutely none! Are you a drummer? How about a musician? I would guess NOT on both counts. Journey couldn't WAIT for Steve Smith to join. If you had the first clue you would understand........... Oh, by the way, this is STEVE SMITH on drums genius. Sheesh..................
btsdrummer1 9 months ago
@btsdrummer1
Well, you've guessed wrong my friend.
Why don't you read my later posts before you start ragging?
Grab a Midol or something.
IPushHard 9 months ago
@IPushHard Wrong? Oh really? To what part? That you are a non-musician?, not Steve Smith on the drums? Or that you are musically clueless? Look at your posts, how many other people have responded and disagreed with you? What does that tell you? Here's a clue. If you are going to make non-factional comments like you do, you had better be able to take the criticism that comes with it. Anytime that you would like to discuss Mr. Smith or Mr. Dunsbar, you just let me know................
btsdrummer1 9 months ago
@btsdrummer1
LOL
Sure. I'll let you know when I want to discuss something with you.
Be sure to hold your breath.
IPushHard 9 months ago
@IPushHard Yeah, that's just what I thought. Don't know what you are blabbering about, can't admit when you are wrong, but argue something to death. You are the typical PERFECT youtube responder. I should have known from the start..............
btsdrummer1 9 months ago
@btsdrummer1
OK MORON.
I've had it with U.
What the F do you want anyway? What's your dam problem?
All you've done is run your lame ass mouth and throw insults around, while never saying what your all wet about.
So listen up idiot. You've a problem with me getting the date wrong that Dunbar left Journey? Is that it?
WTF?
You want to worship at the balls of the Steve Smith fan boy club that's fine with me. Have at your homo-erotic rock and roll drummer fantasy 24-7-365.
Just leave me out of it.
IPushHard 9 months ago
@IPushHard Ha ha!! You were 'out of it' the minute you opened your mouth! You just weren't smart enough to figure it out then. I knew you would blow up! So predictable! Nice grammar usage also. I can see that spelling is another one of your strong areas. Give it up. You are badly outclassed............
btsdrummer1 9 months ago
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66drummer 1 week ago
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66drummer 1 week ago
@IPushHard
Definitely Steve Smith. Even if he wore a mask, the switching between matched and traditional grip would give it away that's not Dunbar.
Smith does a great job copying the Dunbar studio part, so just hearing it might lead one to think it was Dunbar. But the camera kinda shows Smith's face a little much for anyone familiar with both men to think it's Dunbar.
If you're blind, you're forgiven.
66drummer 1 week ago
If you're looking for Dunbar, he is brilliantly performing it at youtube.com/watch?v=rwRSjLXIIYc
66drummer 1 week ago
@IPushHard That is definitely NOT Ansley Dunbar, that is STEVE SMITH.
lastdaysguitar 1 day ago in playlist Journey / Neal Schon
@IPushHard Sorry, but I actually am pretty sure that the drummer is actually Steve Smith. I recognize the face and how he holds the stick in his left hand...old school jazz style.
Regardless of who it is, this is a SUPERB clip. Great sound for 32 years old. I never heard this song live, and it just grabs you. Neal is one of my all-time fav's, but all of them great musicians.
underdoggus 1 day ago
THIS is the real Journey - not what what wound up on the radio. The best journey are songs like this and "Topaz," "Anyway" (from Look into the future), and "Of a Lifetime."
And, btw, although Steve Smith was excellent, Aynsley Dunbar was the best Journey drummer.
wonderfulman2456 1 year ago
Imagine seeing them at Winterland in May of '74 on the same bill with the Mahavishnu Orchestra like I did. Now THAT was musical nirvana!
1953nagarjuna 1 year ago
ANYBODY NOW WHERE I CAN GET A DVD OF THIS
ironman211dr 1 year ago
steve smith or aynsley dunbar?
tannertehpianist 1 year ago
@tannertehpianist Aynsley. No question. They got Steve from Montrose who I saw open for Journey at the Concord Pavillion late 70's
28if 1 year ago
Holy crap, old school Journey was badass.
StevieCybernetik010 1 year ago
I like the rem version better
caseworker001 1 year ago
@kute102 Last I heard he was with Vital Information.
Ricksvidz 1 year ago
My first Journey album. I think I wore it out listening to it so much.
andreestes 1 year ago
what a freaking killer jam Neal Ross Steve and Greg are in .. So crazy
snowbuthead 1 year ago
Then you'd be interested to know that Steve Smith had so much trouble followin a click track, Larry London actually re-cut the drum sections. Aynsley Dunbar is a far superior drummer technically. Smith never did the Zappa gig and Dunbar did. This old Journey bitch slaps the new stuff with Jon Cain. He ruined Journey the same way Michael McDonald ruined the Doobie Brothers.
BluePRSDude 1 year ago
@BluePRSDude ABSOFREAKINLUTELY...Perry & Cain made this band into a Black Napkin Frank wiped himself with.
MrBlasticus 1 year ago
I wouldn't say one is better than the other, but, Dunbar is the original drummer on these songs and the catalyst for the odd time signatures of a lot of this early Journey stuff. Hell, even Rush was so impressed with them on the early tours they did with them, that they, Rush, even incorporated some of that odd timing into their own recordings
amtran8454 1 year ago
Skilled Rock players fantasizing they are The Mahavishnu Orchestra. Heck, who hasn't dreamed they could play like John McLaughlin or Jan Hammer?!
Great post of the fine talent Journey possesed before they became a commercial phenomenon.
DogCatchersBand 1 year ago
Greg Rollie was a good singer,song writer and key boardist. The addition of Steve Perry put Greg Rollie in a spot. Greg still wanted to sing so he left and went solo. Jonathan Cain is just as good as Greg Rollie but better. He helped the band become what they are today. All they need is Steve Smith Back.
1966kute 1 year ago
This is much better than later Journey which is different band!
furakkueroru 1 year ago
@furakkueroru You know, if I didn't know who this was, I wouldn't have any idea it was Journey. Shows the type of band they could of been before Perry interjected his pop music theme. Or as he said once, "Journey needed to take some chances" Yeah like "Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin" was really hanging themselves out to dry. Perry, you are talented, but you suck.
1danrobbins 1 year ago
@1danrobbins I agree. I had their first 3 LP's then I heard Wheel In The Sky on the radio I thought what is this? I like the odd Perry song but not nearly as good as their early stuff!
furakkueroru 1 year ago
Neal Schon, the quintessential hard rock guitarist of all time.
scatback105 1 year ago
Great stuff...brings back memories of when I saw them live in Detroit opening for Uriah Heep! Thanks!!
tralfazyech 1 year ago
@tralfazyech That is pretty impressive. I was one big Uriah Heep fan. It would of been one interesting show.
1danrobbins 1 year ago
This was my favorite Journey...the whole band was great and there is that classic "going way back" chemistry between Rolie and Schon. Neal definitely has some licks when he fires it up.Cool vid.I remember 1974 when folks thought Kohoutek might hit the earth.lol.Laters!
austingunsmoke 1 year ago 2
Neal is Bad azz!!! He is so underrated. That solo is marvelous.
SpasticConiption 1 year ago
ahhh, WOW!!!!!!!
Dannymusic1999 1 year ago
Great panties Dunbar, lol...
bimbo9 1 year ago
@bimbo9 Dude, that's Steve Smith!
dharmaseed 1 year ago
amazing = journey
marco64galrza 1 year ago
Love the first three Jrny albums because of instrumentals like this!
SpasticConiption 2 years ago 2
Dude, thanks for posting this! The older Journey from "in the begining" album was some of my favorite stuff! It rode along with Mahavishnu ,Jan Hammer ,Chick Corea,and Zappa in my 8 track!!
Peacenrespect 2 years ago
@Peacenrespect I had several similar fusion mix tapes that included Tony Williams Lifetime, Jean Luc Ponty and Gong, along with those you mentioned. Fabulous music!
skok65 1 year ago
HAPPY BIRTHDAY STEVE PERRY!
MAZorgJourneySPfan 2 years ago
early 80's speed metal jams sounds like
snowbuthead 2 years ago
!!!SHREDDERS!!! in 75
sider420 2 years ago
schon was tapping way before eddie,and smitty did a great job on the doubles.but anysley had some quicker feet.
twiman2 2 years ago 2
Awesome...
ChrisLoNgShAnK1990 2 years ago
Incredible drums... love it
lynchburglen 2 years ago
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Not as good as Kansas Yes Genesis Rush prog, but well its pretty good...and different from their later stuff
TheChugulator 2 years ago
This is fantastic! I love the original, of course, but this has serious fire. And there's something about seeing Smitty play it.
DrShrinker 2 years ago 2
have to agree dunbar did it smith loved it
suzesch1 2 years ago 2
The best version of this song I've ever heard is the first time it was recorded live in '74. . You'll find it in Wolfgang's Vault.
ricorreze 2 years ago
I saw this show in Cincinnati - it was Journey & The Babys. Just phenomenal. Kohoutek was the highlight of the show for me. I couldn't believe they played it. Awesome. thanks for posting.
JohnGaltOath 2 years ago
Journey does Dream Theater!
TawpJimmy 2 years ago
I can`t believe that some of this old school Journey even exists. I`m even more surised that they haven`t remastered this and released it on DVD! I could watch this every day and never get tired of it. EVER!
BigTimeJourneyFan 3 years ago 13
@BigTimeJourneyFan Yeah man !! Concert DVD Hell yea!!
Peacenrespect 1 year ago
Steve Smith`s a better drummer anyhow! I sure miss those thunderous drum solos at Journey shows today. This is way better than the studio version by far! Deen Castronovo`s a great drummer but we need to bring back "the thunder" to live Journey shows. Those in agreement say I.....
BigTimeSchonFan 3 years ago 8
@BigTimeSchonFan steve smith a better drummer than dunbar you gotta be kidding me you must not play drums
jamesmooose 1 year ago
@jamesmooose In the drum community Steve Smith is looked at as a better drummer. He is a fusion Jazz drummer.
careypeak23 1 year ago
@BigTimeSchonFan Annsley Dunbar was WAAAY better.
pimpingmrli 11 months ago
@pimpingmrli So sad............another clueless statement from another non-drumming expert. I feel sorry for you.
btsdrummer1 9 months ago
you can't beat neal live !
tmklunk 3 years ago
Kohoutek is the great song of JOurney era jazz rock in 1975 ,is very good song and great guitar solo and keyboards
infexest 3 years ago 3
Hardly jazz (although slightly tinged by it), but most definitely prog rock. This version is very good; better than the original. Strange how Journey went from this type of music to things like Escape in only about six years... By the way, the drummer on the original was Aynsley Dunbar, as you almost certainly know. Here it is with Smith.
lamanogaucha 3 years ago
Topaz was good too!
dharmaseed 2 years ago