Hydrogen Hydroxy HHO Heat Exchanger from HHOG Labs for Home Heater

[lbdavisjr]

Nice heat exchanger design butting finger almost on the heat source

[PYROYORKDRAGON]

How do you go about making one of these Heat Exchanger as i can not find anything about this type of Heat Exchanger on the net. hope to get a good response

[GraffixWB]

WOW! I'm gonna build one! These things are the SHIT!!! no exhaust means SO MUCH MORE EFFICIENT!!! So awesome. THis kind of stuff will save the world!!!!

[warloc20]

How about one of you hho people try to make something that will work?Why reinvent the wheel? How about the idea that you need to convert all the homes already built. This is just a waste of time.

[becoming29]

So you are running the gas into the center tube, then with holes drilled in it allows the gas to escape and lit to create your flame? I have been doing something similar by just having a torch into the end of a similar tube set-up, but just running one flame...looks like yours is working well, just confused on the path of your gas before the area it ignites in...

[markoconroy]

I'd say that heat exchanger could work very well to heat water with - what you think? just need to change the cardboard holder maybe!

[thelonewolf267]

thats cool a fan and some piping and you got a little heater

[oscarobel]

Hi guys,

Wow 1000 deg. F

How big is the fan ? How much air per minute ?

It looks like I can heat a house with this kind of heater.

Very good work

Regards

Oscar

[GmanBB]

What LPM you getting from generator and what power consumption you have from power supply? Thanks in advance for answer.

[InstallGuys]

Sorry so late on this response...

The cell we have hooked up to that produces between 3.6 and 4LPM at 12.5V and around 42 amps.

I know this sounds rather general, but these numbers do vary somewhat depending on electrolyte mix and temp(which we didn't measure)

Thanks!

Steve

[wilfredolatorre]

FEMS2112: college , C-O-L-L-E-G-E.

[amutchall]

Great , are you selling these heat exchangers on your website? I did not see it, can buy or pay for the plans and build it myself in my country. I do have some HHo generators with 3/4 LPM outputs.

Avninder Mutchall

[fems2112]

InstallGuys - I have been to colege too and you are wasting your tie trying to teach this burnbaby guy something he thinks he knows. I can see that he is completely missing the important points..

[burnbabyburn692]

I am working to understand the world. I am challenging myself and others. I am doing that right now. Water is not a fuel source, hydrogen is not a fuel source. It requires large amounts of electricity to generate useful amounts of hydrogen. I spent a summer working in a national lab on this very subject. Designing higher temperature more efficient nuclear reactors to be using for hydrogen generation. Its a big complicated world out there my friend...

[InstallGuys]

I don't believe "brute force" electrolysis is the answer, here. I have already shed low voltage high amperage production. I believe if we "crack" the water molecule(perhaps electolysis isn't the answer, here) then hydrogen will be a powerful and cheap fuel source with no harmful emissions. The Navy uses ultrasonics to disassociate water molecules & provide oxygen for sub crews(another interesting side-bar for me). When we get there, we'll look back and chuckle at this conversation. ;-)

[caboflyguy]

You need a ceramic oscillator found in most depth finders. Now you probably want me to give you the resonance freq. for water. Look around 119. Happy hunting;)

[burnbabyburn692]

You are starting with liquid water plus electrical energy, you are ending with heat and water vapor. If you condensed this vapor you would have the same amount of water at the begining and end. If your process was 100% efficient you would get back heat that was equivalent to the electrical energy that you put in. The laws of chemistry, physics, and thermodynamics have been tested well beyond this experiment. Its not that difficult to test.

[InstallGuys]

Thanks for the comment...however, the purpose of this line of thought is not to prove or acheive overunity, though many may claim they have. In a similar experiment I heated an undesturbed 3600 cu/ft space from 68 degrees to 74 degrees in only 3 hours with a mere 244 watts of electricity with this very design. The exterior temperature remained 68 degrees. Know of a space heater in production that can do that? It's a perfect fuel, no harmful emissions & readily renewable. It's Win Win to me.

[burnbabyburn692]

Based on these laws and principles you have no energy gain by using this device. Therefore you will see the same heat output by using a resistive heater pulling the same watts.The energy going into the system will be the same coming out. In this case all of the electrical energy will be converted to heat in both cases. In resistive heating 100% of the electrical energy is converted to heat, so unless you are acheiveing overunity there is no energy or heat gain in the process.

[InstallGuys]

I'm sorry, but the reason they say resistive heat is 100% is because all PURCHASED energy is converted to heat. You have to base your statements on FUEL CONSUMED as well. Generally a power plant(fossil fueled) delivers only about 4 units of heat for every 10 units of energy given. This is only economic as long as electricity cost is low. At merely 244 watts, a resistive heater only raised the room temp by 1 degree in 3 hours. Why don't I see any of your real world experiments? Prove it to me.

[burnbabyburn692]

I am fully aware how powerplants and electrical generation work. My main focus of study is nuclear reactors so I am covered on that end. What I am saying is that all of the electricity is converted to heat in resistive heating, there are no losses. You are using electricity to run your heating device, right? How do you improve upon a process that is already 100% efficient without breaking the first law of thermodynamics? The simple answer is that you can't.

[InstallGuys]

I am happy for your education. I am sure you will make a lot of money looking no further than your text books. But I challenge you to use that education as only a stepping block. Remember, it's imagination that brought us AC, radio and tv. Perhaps that law is ready to be broken? Maybe you will be the one. Remember when the earth was flat? Many people were criticized and even killed for believing otherwise. If it's 100%, then GREAT. But how can we BEAT it? I like to believe there's more out there

[burnbabyburn692]

Well to begin with I work in a materials research lab studying new materials for nuclear applications. I am not blindly following some ill concieved ideas, these are experiment based, rigorously tested, peer reviewed scientific laws that everything in our known world abides by. Its about taking what we have learned thusfar and building on it. I got into this field because of these questions that I have. The conservation of energy is the basis that everything you use is based upon.

[burnbabyburn692]

In my experience the people that are so quick to dismiss "science" have no working knowledge of it. In chem 112 we perform a lab that uses electrolysis. We measure the current going in and then observe the volume of the gase generated. Using the known enthalpy (joules/mole) for hydrogen it is easy to calculate that you end up with less usable energy afterwards. This is due to the inefficiency of the electrolysis, some of the current is lost as heat.

[burnbabyburn692]

You probably already know where I am going with this but I will continue. The electrolysis of water has been around for many years now and although efficiencies have improved this will never be greater then 100% efficient. Because of its inefficiencies at converting water to the gases you are operating at an energy loss. Resistive heating is 100% efficient. There is no energy gain through your process, you would better off buying a resistive heater. Sorry, no offense. Just basic science.

[burnbabyburn692]

I am the type of person that tries to understand and question most things. But I also feel that in order to fully understand the world you need to also have a working knowledge of it and a place to start. One of my starting places is where I am now, getting a degree in engineering. I am learning from hundreds of years of briliant research, and peer reviewed experiments. Alot of the information we much trust in, but also alot of it is confirmed through lab experiments.

[gareth01422]

InstallGuys.

Can you show us your cell for generating HHO?

or point me in the right direction?

Gareth

[InstallGuys]

Certainly,

It is on our Youtube channel with video number :

OiSR353rJk4

Just do a youtube search for that video(part 1 of 2 series)

or see our youtube channel

[Mortarsprayer]

HI Steve,

How many BTU are in a Liter or gallon of HHO?

Propane is about 6100/ Liter or 92,000 BTU per gallon. I am wondering how this compares.

Thank you.

[InstallGuys]

Let's compare the vapor, not the liquid. Propane contains 93800kJ/M3, vaporized, which is 2520 BTU cuft. I have read that HHO contains 60000kJ/cuFt, which is approx 2000 BTU cuft. But are we comparing apples to apples?

Now let's compare efficiency. How long does it take to make 1cuft of HHO, compared to 1cuft of propane? oil? NatGas?

Propane(along with Oil and NatGas) takes millions of years, while we can generate the HHO in seconds or minutes and the flame goes back to water! Think about it.

[GmanBB]

Natural gas has 55Mg/kg,

Hydrogen has 142Mg/Kg.

From one litter of water we getting 1220L Hydrogen and 622 Liters of Oxygen.

My it helps.

[overunitydotcom]

Good work,

but if it would be this hot you would have burned your fingers in front of it ?

Why can you poke around with your fingers only

2 inches away, if the flames are 1000 degrees ?

[InstallGuys]

I think your question is more about perspective. The camera was about 3 feet away, zoomed in, and I was standing behind it. My hand was actually about 18 inches away the whole time, and never directly in front of the flames. That's a good question, though. I looked at the video again, and it does look like my hand is directly in the path of the flame...Let's chalk that up to my "mad movie making skills"...haha

Steve

[sirHOAX]

Its an interesting set-up, but are you able to heat that room with that device. Also to put things into perspective can you state the power being used between the fan and the HHO units itself?

A lot of people are concerned about efficiency.

[InstallGuys]

Thanks SirHOAX for the comment.

What I haven't posted on YouTube is a space heater that I made from an old empty computer case. I hacked the power supply and used the 5v leads with a small 16 plate +N- setup(approx 2.2-2.3V per plate). I estimate around 1LPM HHO. With only ~244 watts(incl computer fans) I heated a 3800CuFt room(uninsulated garage) from 68 degrees to 74 degrees in just 3 hours. Outside ambient was steady at 68F. Send your email(by PM) and i'll send pics of the unit.

Steve

[hhoball]

Very, very, very, very impressive! I got chills watching that. Good work! I hope my first heating video is that impressive. Keep it up!

Stay Safe!

Jeff

[btester1]

Put acetone in your bubbler and get twice the heat.

watch?v=-WQukypC-jU

Hope it's true!

[InstallGuys]

Thanks for the tip!

However, we are trying to keep the flame as pure as possible. By adding chemicals to the bubbler, we run the risk of producing hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide in the burn. If we want a truely clean flame that doesn't need it's exhaust gases vented then we can heat a home without greenhouse or harmful gases.

I'll keep your tip in mind with my torch, though...it's a good one!

Steve

[codewildfire]

Great Work ! Hope to see more vids ....

[InstallGuys]

Thank you!

Steve

[docscot11]

i would think that you would want your flame inside the unit so as to heat the exchanger, just my thought, i will keep watching.

[InstallGuys]

We originally had the torch lit inside, but the sink cooled too quickly. In the future, we will work toward an exchanger that is heated by the flame, but initially, our goal was to sustain multiple flames with the least amount of hydroxy fuel...we accomlished this video with a mere 3.6LPM and no backpressure, and sustained 6 large orifice flames. This is much like a natural gas furnace, only using hydroxy.

We are working on improving the design.

Thanks!

Steve

[Davehho1]

Nice defuser/heat exchanger !

[InstallGuys]

Thanks!

[BespokeGroupUK]

That is one step away from an indoor fan heater using hho. Now that IS a fascinating development

[InstallGuys]

We hope so!

Thanks!

Steve

[hhotechnology]

wow!!! really inspiring,

looks like the copper pipes are soldered together, if so does the solder not melt?

[InstallGuys]

yes, the solder melts... I soldered them together temporarily in order to assemble the exchanger. In the future, they will need to be welded together.

Thanks for the comment!

Steve

[SmartScarecrow]

this is a very exciting build ... looks like you are on to something good here ...

[InstallGuys]

I'm excited, too.

Thanks for the comment!

Steve

[jdcmusicman]

It is so good to see somebody else think outside the box ..

[InstallGuys]

Thank you!

[tjgame2]

Cool man.

[InstallGuys]

Thanks!