bill maher is good at laughing in the face of the person he is debating with and laughing in the face of defeat....he got totally owned in this one....he tries to disarm his opponent by categorizing them and their affiliates
Indeed. A form of fallacious argument known as "argument against the person". A common argument used against vaccines. Yes, there is money invested in vaccines. Yes, pharmaceutical corporations are greedy and immoral. No, this does not automatically discredit the medicine they produce. If you simply use google (especially google scholar) you can find the overwelming amount of evidence for vaccines as a positive force in preventitive medicine. Don't listen to sensationalists guys.
Drug industry tactic? Pay a freak to disrupt any chance of reading the truth about vaccines, autism, brain injuries & immune system damage caused by vaccines
Search- MMR package insert - Merck admits MMR is linked to 100s of side effects incl encephalitis, diabetes, arthritis, ocular palsies & MUCH more
Search- Vaccine Injury Table -A list of injuries automatically compensated by our govt. The drug industry doesn't pay a dime for hurting kids
The swine FLU was a false flag. The CDC admitted it and so did the general public and medical associations. I do not always agree with Bill, but this guy on his show is obviously back peddling and creating a panic. 3 years later we all know the truth.
@MrFamilyman2010 look at your name on your channel dipshit. THESOURCE? lol your 2012 name just says TRUTH. dude, you gotta be less obvious than that. i mean, this shit is easier than mj guarding kobe. LOL!
@bferg531 Name calling is not going to help you see that you are just clearly not liked by anyone online until you grow up and add some details to true conversations, not discussing the details of people dying in fires.To have seen those posts truly saddened me as to where this world's youth has gone. Whatever you do in real life or who you are, may you find peace soon to do something a bit more useful than stay up all night parading around claiming victory that equals your comments.
What is wrong with this guy bferg? Talking about someone's parent having deceased in a fire? Yelling at people asking him to post on the video or leave. This, I guess, is what youtube likes to see. People acting crazy online with no purpose. I really feel sorry for this guy. Michael, and anyone else, please report this guy. This person really has a need for help. This kind of talk should not be tolerated.
@michael0156 Michael, Great information on all that you post. This other guy is just trying to take away from the conversation by deflecting the attention to himself. Not one sound post to date on any comment section he has visited. Very Childish remarks to. When you see the inserts of the vaccines, do they all appear on the labels or must one contact the company or search online? I have not had a vaccine in decades or has any of my family. Thank you for the great information.
@MrFamilyman2010 The package inserts are too large to be posted an a label. for instance the MMR package insert is a 12 page pamphlet. It is supposed to be available at the place where you get your immunizations. I believe they are required to give you a copy if you ask, but the same thing is available online if you look for any vaccine or drug and their package insert like - Humira package insert -
Interesting thing about Humira is that the side effects are various types of cancer
@michael0156 Thank you Michael. I do not believe in vaccines and never have. I grew up in a household of like minded individuals on the same wave length. It is always a pleasure to share knowledge with others. I am saddened that youtube is forcing all of us to change our page format. I do not like the new one. Will have to play around with it to try and keep it similar.
What do you call someone who deliberately takes steps that they know will cause harm to children if someone heeds what they say?
What do you call someone who deliberately hurts children?... Doctor?
Why would a doctor hurt kids, without a conscience?
What do you call "people" who deliberately hurt innocent kids... deliberately hurt innocent kids... destroy their futures... burden their families with their 24 hour care
What do you call these people? What do you do with them?
Rarity admits vaccines harm some of our kids, but says there is no way to avoid it... We just have to accept it, protect drug profits from paying for the injuries & move on with our lives
Clearly "rarity" is just a common shill
Merck admits their MMR is linked to seizures, chronic arthritis (12-26% of women getting MMR get arthritis, most temporary, many for years) & diabetes - 100s of other types of injuries
I love how Maher is the one who is always saying that we aren't giving enough to the lower class and acts like the biggest liberal to ever live...but at the end of the day he says it himself that he supports SOPA/PIPA. Funny how he says its not fair when people take from him, but apparently it doesn't matter when he tries to take from others. Lol but the best part is how all you liberals follow this hypocrite /watch?v=oveiLATf2ak
Jesus Christ.... I didn't think it was possible for Maher to be any bigger of a smug piece of shit than he already was. He really does think that he is smarter than everyone else.
Money can't buy wisdom. He may dance like a monkey for laughs, but he is absolutely stupid. Health care isn't the issue here... The damn U.S. education system is.
It's true that big pharma companies are making big bucks from vaccines, but that has nothing to do with the efficacy of the vaccines themselves. Strange that Bill Maher would believe this nonsense to begin with, but to go on and argue with a well versed medical doctor armed with nothing but opinions of doctors from over half century ago. This along with his recent anti-piracy rant leads me to believe that he forms opinions first and searches for facts later.
Cost cutting, increasing toxins in vaccines, include making antigens (the most expensive & critical vax component) in genetically engineered bacteria. To get antigens bacteria are crushed. Antigen is ALWAYS contaminated with immune reactive cell debris & toxins from the bacterial soup
Adjuvants (chemicals to prolong & intensify immune reactions) reduce needed antigen & are toxic
Preservatives (like mercury) reduce cost-per-dose. Mercury is not banned from kids vaccines
I love how Maher argues with a Harvard Medical School educated cardiothoracic surgeon on the 30 year old patient who died of swine flu. What an ignorant, foolish asshole. And to say that vaccinations are not life saving? Think about how many hundreds of thousands, likely millions, would be dead today if it weren't for vaccinations. Ignorance.
Google- MMR package insert - 12 page pamphlet of warnings contraindications, adverse events and precautions MERCK says is linked to MMR
MERCK says 100s of brain & immune system injuries, arthritis, diabetes, etc may happen to you or your child when they are vaccinated
I'm not anti-vax yet, but with people like you making ignorant comments & intelligent people like Dr Bernadine Healy saying vaccines may cause autism, I am close
@michael0156 Everything in life has associated risks. Tiny batteries found within children's toys have caused severe issues! Cell phones could be associated with a huge variety of health effects that have yet to develop. I'm far from ignorant. I earned my MD from a prestigious institution and have a good deal of experience in this area. The key word is "may". There are hundreds of "mays" out there. A lack of vaccines will result in effectively preventable illnesses and deaths.
@michael0156 It is possible for a healthy adult to lose their life to swine flu. If the flu were to progress to the stage of pneumonia, pulmonary edema could certainly lead to respiratory failure. Maher isn't a medical professional, much less a physician tending to the case, so he has no place opening his big mouth on this issue. He knows nothing of pathology and physiology, and how pathogens affect people in different ways. Also, I never made that claim. Fear mongering? Preposterous.
@michael0156 Would you like me to go into an in depth explanation? I'd be more than happy to lay out the true medical facts, but I don't deal well with people who question my credibility as a physician. There's no need for disrespect and arrogance when you lack the credentials and knowledge of the material. Give four years of medical school a shot, and maybe you'll be lucky enough to have me as your attending afterwards. Then again, I'm not sure if I'd want you in my ER. Such a waste of time.
AGAIN you claim to have evidence, but don't post it. AGAIN you claim to be an accomplished physician, but you haven't presented any evidence or argument to dispute anything I have posted (which is not my research but others' works)
Then you waste another post by attacking me personally
These are the tactics of someone without intellectual ammunition
MMR package insert, Vaccine Injury Table, Dr Bernadine Healy's quotes... I use mainstream evidence, you have no refutation, "doctor"
Every month at Walgreens, it is something different. Flu then Shingles then Whooping Cough. Listen to the radio commercials in the store, same thing. Concerned for our health? Yeah that's why you sell smokes and booze, cause you care sooo much. Stop drinking, smoking and eating crap and exercise. Guess what, less likely to get sick. If that doesn't help more power to ya, get the shots. They feed on your weaknesses and demons so they should be a last resort.
@SHEEPLEwhisperer - I agree, except that Mad Cow isn't a joke, but was caused by the British leather industry wanting cow hides without holes (caused by warble flies)
They bribed the govt to mandate hosing down ALL cattle with Phosmet insecticide. That caused the Mad Cow epidemic
It was exposed by Mark Purdy, an organic farmer who refused to douse his organic herd. Though from a wealthy family he ended up being a target of the chemical companies & the govt
@RarityLover That's simple. Take the age of his average fan (12) multiply by the number of brain cells in their brain (3) and divide by the number of fans (117)...
If you think vaccinations are so great why don't you shoot yourself FULL of the lifesaving, mercury, aspartame and cancer cells, etc... Would you support MURDER in your ignorance? Billions of dollars in R&D for what can be created with pennies? Wake up idiots! Do you honestly think they can make out a filter small enough to keep out unknown mycoplasma and live virus that are unknown to us today. What about fungus?? Vaccinations are not even science. You supporters are stupid.
@Datasheen I can tell from your post you have a very remedial understanding of what vaccines are. I had to stop reading when I saw "Vaccinations are not even science."
@RarityLover Frist is part of the medical establishment & will suffer economic harm should vaccines be exposed for the all the physiological harm they do to kids & adults
Maher's reached his position thru reason
Vaccines are obviously causing damage. The extent & cause of that damage needs to be studied
The only large govt or industry sponsored studies that have been done study records, & fraudulently say there is no coincidence of vaccinations & autism
@michael0156 No medicine or medical treatment is ever going to be perfect and they all run risks. But not giving your children vaccines ultimately does more harm than good in the long run. The only people who advocate non vaccination are typically people who have a remedial understanding of anything related to the medical field.
I love what Bill Maher says on some issues but he's way off on vaccines and now SOPA. And the anti-vaccine stance is actually dangerous. I don't see how anyone believes the Jenny McCarthy ilk over doctors and scientists.
Seven is right. Big Pharma is there to make money based on our fears... every year or every other year you hear about a new influenza strain that is killing so many americans each year. Those who choose to have blind faith towards what the media is reporting is putting themselves and their immune system at harm. those that dig a little deeper and find that a strong immune system cannot catch such a bug will take necessary steps to be healthy. PROactive not reactive.
And how is Bill Maher gonna go talking about "rich people" like he isn't one of them? Like he is separate from them? That seem like some bullshit too...
Don't watch much Bill Maher but hear he has good stuff to say but then how come he over-talks so much? From 1:20 to 1:30 he won't let the guy get a word in...
Dear Bill Maher I respect a lot of what u say and mean, but by god read more on vaccination and not only the trolling kind of info. Read info regarding other nations cos the American doctrine is to polarize everything to a point of "your with us, or your a terrorist."
Flu vaccine is garbage. I only get it because I HAVE to.(Army) It's all guess work anyway. The virus is constantly changing. They are only going by the year before when they give you the vaccine....guessing.
A vaccine is a biological preparation that improves immunity to a particular disease. They must be available to inoculate humans, providing them protection against wide spreading cotangents such as smallpox if it were ever released again. It doesn't require a huge bureaucracy to use these as well. So it's a win, win. As a person who tends to favor smaller sized governments and bureaucracy this is one exception that needs to be available.
This title is incorrect. The winner of the debate is inconclusive. For me, I will not do ANY vaccines! No thanks! I trust mother nature. Man cannot make a quick fix medicine that can fight disease. They're simple out to make money. As long as people are eating junk food, not having any faith and focusing on negativity, they're going to get sick!!!!!!!!!!!!
@VitalityMassage I agree. Sadly I HAVE to get the flu vaccine because I'm in the military. Typical. It's all guessing though. They don't even know if they have the right vaccine. The flu virus is constantly changing. they can't be sure which strands to include in this..."vaccine"
@damo2353 Well, yeah they most certainly have. But the swine flu wasn't particularly dangerous in general, not much different from an ordinary flu, truth be told. The vaccines did contain thimerosal which "could" be linked to neurological disorders. Yet again, that's a "maybe". Either way I'd say you would likely live unharmed.
@McFlanker I'm not so sure about that McFlanker. (with a name like that I'd assume you were a kiwi!). I wonder if you are looking at it with the benefit of hindsight. At the time, there was a very real fear that this flu could have resulted in a huge casualty rate because it had evolved a lot from other flu's and we didn't really know what the result would be. It was prudent management.
As for thimerosal, I don't know of any reputable body that thinks there is a link to it and autism.
@SevenRayedGod Hmmm. Got a cite for that one? As I understand it there are no confirmed cases of death resulting from the vaccine. Even if I were to grant that the 8 cases of girls dying in close proximity of taking the vaccine were caused by the vaccine (and without evidence, I don't) this is still only 8 people in 26 million cases. Many, many more who haven't taken the vaccine will die long, gruesome and painful deaths every year.
@damo2353 LOL Look up SaneVax a NPO on the HPV Vaccine, perhaps I've should've also stated the issues with adverse reactions to the vaccines, and the politicians who profited from supporting the bill. Big Pharma is not your friend, regardless of how gullible you are.
@SevenRayedGod Correlation =/= causation. And it doesn't help your cause to call people who have a differing opinion to you gullible, I have seen and read the evidence from a wide spectrum of sources and I am convinced that the preponderance of the evidence is vastly in favour of the HPV vaccine. As to whether it should be compulsory or not, I am open to argument
@damo2353 Fair enough, Oh and I didn't call you gullible it was a general statement. I just tend to be indifferent towards people who have nothing but blind faith towards pharmaceutical companies. If we lived in a peaceful world without greed I wouldn't complain, but you can't sit there and tell me that their isn't any kind of shady business conducted for most medications.
You say correlation ≠ causation, but you believe HPV causes cervical cancer when it is CLEARLY a correlation- not proved
You must have consistency in your posts if you want any credibility. Especially damaging to your cred is self-contradiction
Merck started a 14 year study in 2008 to see if Gardasil will be effective in preventing any cervical cancer. The youngest vaccinees will still not be old enough to show vaaccine effectivity
Long before then Gardasil will be exposed as a hoax
The best medical science calls HPV "necessary, but not sufficient" to cause cervical cancer (CC). At least one of several co-factors is ALSO necessary
Oral contraceptives (OC), smoking, chronic STD infection, others. ALL co-factors either impair our immune systmes (smoking, OCs) or are evidence our immune system is already impaired (chronic STD)
NIH studies show an avg of 20% of CC doesn't have HPV
@michael0156 I must confess I am slightly confused by your posts. On the one hand you say that HPV is a necessary condition for cervical cancer, and then you proceed to say that there is "CLEARLY", not a causative relationship between HPV and cervical cancer.
@demo - I didn't say HPV is necessary, as you well know, I said "the best medical science calls HPV 'necessary but not sufficient"
I then demonstrated the contradictions, in scientific evidence, about that claim
So what medical text are you culling the phrase "causative relationship"? I said HPV is correlated to cervical cancer, not proved to be the cause. Where's your scientific proof that HPV causes cervical cancer? I've asked you for it
I see you again come here to post without evidence
@michael0156 What contraindications? You proceeded to argue that something else was required to cause cancer. Fine, that is exactly what "necessary but not sufficient" means. In order to get CC you need HPV and something else (according to you anyway). So following your claims the most logical thing to do would be to remove HPV and the best way we know how to do that is with the vaccine.
@damo2353 Again you lie about what I say. But I will correct you AGAIN
Mainstream medical science says HPV is necessary but not sufficient to cause cervical cancer & necessary cofactors are smoking, oral contraceptive use, chronic STD infection etc
I state- Cofactors either damage the immune system or are evidence the immune system is damaged
Search- Humira package insert -Humira damages immunity in order to relieve autoimmune disease symptoms. Side effects? Various cancers
@michael0156 I did not lie about what you said. It is not my fault if the sensible reading of your posts are the opposite of what you actually mean.
Anyway, I see that you are having multiple conversations with many people in this video. As I generally don't like to have post more than 3 or 4 replies to someone in YT comments, I will sign off now.
Before I go, got a cite for the Merck study in something I can access?
@michael0156 Perhaps I was a little to subtle in my previous post. Allow me to be blunt. I am not interested in carrying on this conversation with you. Please do not reply.
@damo2353 Don't reply to me with snide remarks if you don;t want a response
Don't ask me for info & stop misquoting me
HPV, according to manistream medicine, cannot cause cervical cancer on its own. Cofactors that mainstream med says are necessary either impair cell mediated immunity (CMI) or prove CMI is impaired
Humira is a drug designed to impair CMI. Humira package insert shows side effects are various cancers
This is a simple proof that immune impairment, not HPV, is necessary for CC
Gardasil only "protects" against 4 HPV types out of 100
Merck started a 14 year study in 2008 to test Gardasil's efficacy. The youngest participants will be in their 20s at the end of the study, MUCH too young to develop cervical cancer (CC)
Studies finding cervical cancer (CC) w/o HPV (Year & % of CC w/o HPV)
@THExHOUND Presumably you are referring to Thiomersal. Presumably you also take the word of a playmate bunny over that of the many health research organisations, including the World Health Organisation who have never found a link between it and autism or anything else.
It is a great shame that in this internet age anyone with a keyboard can type whatever nonsense they have heard from someone else and it gets treated with the same respect as people who spend their lives studying the subject.
@damo2353 Speaking of "anyone with a keyboard" typing nonsense, I offer you as an example
I see instead exposing any of McCarthy's ideas aas wrong, you instead attack her as being a former playboy bunny... How about some evidence or expert opinion with some facts?
Try this - Dr Bernadine Healy says vaccines may cause autism
Search- Vaccine Injury Table -The HRSA/FDA admit many live vaccines cause brain & immune system injuries
Merck's MMR package insert links MMR to 100s of types of injuries
@michael0156 If one is to argue that there is a causal link between a drug and a particular side affect it is up to that person to provide the evidence for it. There is not, as far as I am aware, any accepted study that links thiomersal with autism. Dr Healy's comments, while interesting, were a criticism of a 2004 report by the Institute of Medicine indicating that there is no evidence of a link. Show me some positive, scientific, peer-reviewed evidence for a link and we can move from there.
@damo2353 Haven't taken a vaccine in over 12 years and I can't even remember the last time i was sick. Vaccines are just pushed by big pharma companies. If you think giving a chicken pox vaccine to your toddler is healthy you're a fucknig retard. Guilble morons. You'll beleive anything.
The truth is, Take away modern medicine, vaccines, antibiotics, etc we would witness the true condition of humanity. Not only would we have all the ugly illness and disease of the old days would also have to deal with all the new cancers viruses etc.. We all live in a bubble that says we are living longer therefore we are healthier than ever in history. Fact is, if it wasn't for medicine barely keeping pace, we would all be screwed. Can an already over burdened health system keep up?
The conspiracy that vaccines are not effective is absolutely absurb. As much so as believing that the government caused 9/11, it is ridiculous. Influenza is constantly mutating, which is why a new vaccine is produced anualy in time for the flu season.
Anyone who does any research will find that there are zero reliable studies that imply anything negative about vaccines, and overwhelming evidence to support that vaccines are effetive.
@FulgrimTG perhaps it would be wise to to listen to arguments before countering the. The issue with vaccines are the preservatives wherein they add mercury and aluminum which are known neuro-toxins, all heavy metals are. Giving these to infants equates to idiocy.
@SevenRayedGod the only problem is that there is mercury in any food you eat this days because of generalized pollution and a lack of environmental laws and serious means of control. Mercury is in your alimentary food chain like all those heavy metals you rant about. Mercury is dangerous, but only above a certain level, like nuclear radiations, which your own body emits...
@sentenced988 No, mercury is dangerous, period. Regardless of the amount there is still harm done albeit minuscule. Mercury is deadly above a certain level. Mercury in and of itself is harmful at any level. Yes you're right since it is present within the food I eat makes it A OK to ingest it at all. Your logic is infallible. That's SARCASM and I'm dripping with it.
@SevenRayedGod Are you going to tell me you never did act in any way that could have put your physical integrity at risk, no matter what this level would have been ? I mean, driving a car or drinking alcohol are both pretty much riskier that getting a flu vaccine with a "nano-amount" of mercury lollllll
LOL all these great minds and funding go to Africa, yet we still have Africa as a major problem in so many ways. You gotta ask yourself why do we keep repeating the same thing over and over The intelligentsia of this world and millions of dollars in aid, charity and, good will have, as a whole changed nothing.
@shimwah You got great minds and money that go in africa to help people, but you also got many more great minds and funds going in africa to conduct civil war, to corrupt governments, to help paramilitary groups, etc. etc. Our companies and government fucked africa so many times, I can't believe some people still wonder why they are having a tough time...
@sentenced988 You conclude my point. That is, what we call our great minds are perhaps not so great. We look to the intellect as being the solution to our problems. We used to kill with a spear, now we can destroy 100's of thousands with the push of a button, politics, or sheer greed. We have all fallen for the illusion of moving forward, yet, in truth, we are just going in circles.
@shimwah well, if this can bring some optimism in your day, remember we multiplied by four our life expectancy since prehistory, our societies are way more pacified than before, and we invented music, philosophy, literature and even candies! So, it's not that bad ;)
I can not believe there are people opposed to vaccines. I am a Maher fan, but I was was as shocked as Frist that someone as intelligent as Maher could be this obtuse.
Go get your daughter the Gardasil Shot, when she slips into a comma, drools for a week and is unable to walk for a week and develops those other great side effects, then tell us how you feel.
You offer no evidence to counter what I have supplied
There is not one study that proves autism is genetic. EVERYONE in mainstream medicine maintains autism's cause is unknown. You parrot someone else's lies, or your own, claiming autism is genetic
Confidently parroting lies doesn't intimidate me
EVERYTHING I post is researched & true
You should use science-based evidence, not rhetoric. Don't dare accuse me being ignorant when everything you have spoted is demonstrably false & fraudulent
@michael0156 Since the 1980's the definition of autism has broadened quite a bit, so I'd be hesitant to draw correlations between something that's undergone such a change.
Adding to that, autism is genetic, it is not "Brain damage"
It is, if you will, a malformation.
Adding to that, even, this "malformation" process of the brain begins inside the womb - so unless you're doing in-utero vaccinations a causal link cannot be established.
@uruson The Autism Genome Project concludes genes pre-dispose, but it takes triggers for autism to develop
CDC/FDA agree autism has risen-You know more?
The definition of autism was narrowed by the DSM-IV. Too many false positives were produced by the DSM-III (back when autism incidence was 3-4 in 10,000 kids- Now 100 in 10,000)
For misdiagnosis to cause a 22 year steady rise psychiatrists' errors must always increase & the APA be unable to recognize or correct these errors
@michael0156 “It is premature to state that there is no increase in prevalence,” says W. Ian Lipkin, a professor of neurology, anatomy, and neurobiology at Columbia University. “None of the studies to date has been designed to definitively address the issue.”
Environ Health Perspect. 2006 July; 114(7): A412–A418.
There is no consensus, which means science still don't know for sure if there was an increase or no in prevalence. I guess you may have an opinion, but you certainly don't know more.
@michael0156 It would be appreciated, if you could spend a few minutes and try to disprove what you think you know before spreading it.
While your intention is most likely a good one, spreading incorrect information such as this may cause harm to befall children whose mothers' have been misled by the prevalence of what you're saying.
In short, even if you mean well, spreading "information" can cause harm.
Research, examine, then apply your good intentions as best you can.
Dr Bernadine Healy, in a 2008 CBS News interview said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper studies have not been done"
Dr Healy is a former NIH Director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Chair of the Clevland Clinics Research Institute whose opinion is expert & relevant
Julie Gerberding (corrupted former CDC head 2003-2009) defended vaccines, supported Merck's Gardasil & pushed for mandatory flu vaccination
In 2010 she was made president of Merck's Vaccine division
Bill Maher, for "putting it out there" that pregnant women need not get vaccinated, you have now become a pathetic piece of shit. You make the Republican setting next to you look a socially responsible human being...
With vagueness in scientific literature there are uncertainties with what is right or wrong and people tip their uncertainty with their ulterior motivations, think greed, patience, etc.
the choice to treat somebody isn't always a 100% clear and obvious choice(think anti-depressants, idiot), and your assumption that research is always valid or not was also 100% pulled out of your ass. Sociological or Psychological researchers do not have to factor in that 'correlation does not equal causation' when drawing conclusions from studies. They rely on 'obviousness' to tell them what their finding 'suggest' whatever that means- vagueness has no place in Science.
Bill could be wrong, that isn't the point. What's even more wrong is that the people who want him to shut up on this issue immediately and blindly take the side of doctors- I cannot believe they can just retardedly dismiss the role corporations and society play in western medicine along with any possibility that doctors can be inherently flawed.
One observation that has to be pointed out is that calling bill maher crazy is not an argument. It doesn't require any brains to do that. Chances are you haven't done much
more homework on the subject than he has and you would like to mindlessly point at someone who has an opinion that is against the norm.
Here's the thing. We know jack and diddly about the human body. Doctors will tell you this. What we know is nothing compared to what we would like to know, and what we know there is to know.
One thing we do know is that a virus will not be effected by a vaccination. They mutate upon entering your body, and then the vaccine is useless.
For things like polio, mumps etc. they are good. But flu viruses mutate too fast.
I love Bill Maher, but he's no different than the religions he downgrades when it comes to his ideology of medicine. It's grounded in faith and paranoia.
appman or apeman? No western medicine is grounded in science and proof . Sure they might over sell you on the need some times but that doesn't mean its all bs.
Bitching about how its "grounded" in profit is just retarded. some one ALWAYS profits.
@liesandtricks medicine is not '100%' grounded in proof when pharmaceutical companies buy out doctors and conduct their own research. It yields something useful but there is an overall bias and western medicine needs to be overhauled for that reason. Physics is the only real science because its empiricism is TANGIBLE, not consisting of vague anecdotes, and it's grounded in mathematics, not relying on potentially sloppy and slanted statistics.
@liesandtricks For people who disagree it's an ethical issue. You CANNOT tell somebody they're anti science when their quarrel is ethical. What does that make you? Are doctors men in coats, or gods? Pick one, you don't want anybody to criticize their ethical choices because we're laymen?
@appman1138 Conducting your own research says nothing about the validity of this research.
Physics the only?....seriously? 1) many parts of physics aren't tangible. 2) Many parts of medicine are, both through empirical evidence and other sciences, including physics. Your complete ignorance about sciences such as chemistry, astronomy etc the methods, the proof etc is ridiculous. As is your supposed monopoly of physics on empirical evidence or mathematical support.
And yes you can. If you oppose a scientific claim without science of your own your anti science. The reason why you oppose it is irrelevant for this. Your objection is also not ethical. Your not addressing the ethical use of the valid research your addressing the scientific validity of there research. What i want is that the ppl who criticize them to know what there talking about. Otherwise its not criticism but voicing ignorance.
@liesandtricks Part of it is ethical, there is a vast assumption that as many people as possible need treatment and nobody cares or addresses how much this assumption is motivated by corporations. Every argument against western medicine could probably be shortened to that sentence.
@liesandtricks "Physics is the only real science. The rest are just stamp collecting." Who said that?? A religious nut?No, Ernest Rutherford, father of nuclear physics. He also said "An alleged scientific discovery has no merit unless it can be explained to a barmaid." "That which is not measurable is not science." At least in physics, that which is intangible they at least admit is intangible and do a good job of measuring just how intangible something is.
@liesandtricks in bullshit social science studies, logical fallacies are often used to draw conclusions based off of the researcher's bias, etc. i.e. when interpreting studies, words like 'suggest' are used when researchers are drawing a conclusion based off of what looks logical. From that point forward their ethics, which are not perfect to say the least, determine how they want to interpret what they see as appearing to be logical.The field should be considered an embarrassing can of worms.
I love how people in this comment section attempt to point out that a cardiologist/cardiac surgeon doesnt have a right to speak about vaccines. Considering those "doctors" that speak out against vaccination, "Western" medicine", "big pharma", etc ALL dont remotely have the credentials or even experience to speak about vaccines. Its hilarious seeing guys like Mercola pushing medical propaganda while scamming people into buying his supplements.
@DayneAW it's not even really funny man as a pharmcy student it's really fucking sad to see, the pharmaceutical industry has saved millions upon millions of lives worldwide and halted crippling diseases, yet snobbish leftist elitist assholes conjure up idiotic creepy conspiracy theories to push a political agenda in a non political field, the whole anti vaccine movement is really fucking low, check out penn and teller's bullshit episode on them, they bring the despicable movement to light
a guy on youtube who thinks he's atleast half as smart as a HEART SURGEON who do you think he is some lowly iq quy ? they overtake the most demanding lerning its hands down one of the hardest professions on earth
@skuterixas91 Sure they do..but what has that got to do with vaccines? Heart surgeons? Indoctrinated medicine practice? The god complex? I sure want that at my bed side. that is why with all this supreme skill..so many are dying of heart disease and it is the #1 killer..along with medical deaths from drugs and others in the field. Ever watch commercials? See the drug ads, then see the lawyer firms suing them? Kind of goes hand in hand. did you need a degree to see that?
bill maher is good at laughing in the face of the person he is debating with and laughing in the face of defeat....he got totally owned in this one....he tries to disarm his opponent by categorizing them and their affiliates
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Setzuo 6 hours ago
@Duanebliss69
Indeed. A form of fallacious argument known as "argument against the person". A common argument used against vaccines. Yes, there is money invested in vaccines. Yes, pharmaceutical corporations are greedy and immoral. No, this does not automatically discredit the medicine they produce. If you simply use google (especially google scholar) you can find the overwelming amount of evidence for vaccines as a positive force in preventitive medicine. Don't listen to sensationalists guys.
Setzuo 6 hours ago
Bill maher is just wrong here my brother nearly died from that fucking flu
judoisoww 1 day ago
Drug industry tactic? Pay a freak to disrupt any chance of reading the truth about vaccines, autism, brain injuries & immune system damage caused by vaccines
Search- MMR package insert - Merck admits MMR is linked to 100s of side effects incl encephalitis, diabetes, arthritis, ocular palsies & MUCH more
Search- Vaccine Injury Table -A list of injuries automatically compensated by our govt. The drug industry doesn't pay a dime for hurting kids
Dr Bernadine Healy said vaccines may cause autism
michael0156 5 days ago
The swine FLU was a false flag. The CDC admitted it and so did the general public and medical associations. I do not always agree with Bill, but this guy on his show is obviously back peddling and creating a panic. 3 years later we all know the truth.
MrFamilyman2010 6 days ago
@MrFamilyman2010 look at your name on your channel dipshit. THESOURCE? lol your 2012 name just says TRUTH. dude, you gotta be less obvious than that. i mean, this shit is easier than mj guarding kobe. LOL!
bferg531 5 days ago
@bferg531 Name calling is not going to help you see that you are just clearly not liked by anyone online until you grow up and add some details to true conversations, not discussing the details of people dying in fires.To have seen those posts truly saddened me as to where this world's youth has gone. Whatever you do in real life or who you are, may you find peace soon to do something a bit more useful than stay up all night parading around claiming victory that equals your comments.
MrFamilyman2010 5 days ago
@MrFamilyman2010 another paragraph im not going to read? LOL! youre getting a lot of typing practice in at least.
bferg531 5 days ago
@bferg531 You are very immature.
MrFamilyman2010 5 days ago
@MrFamilyman2010 you exposed yourself. not very sneaky there mr. sandusky. lol!!!
bferg531 5 days ago
What is wrong with this guy bferg? Talking about someone's parent having deceased in a fire? Yelling at people asking him to post on the video or leave. This, I guess, is what youtube likes to see. People acting crazy online with no purpose. I really feel sorry for this guy. Michael, and anyone else, please report this guy. This person really has a need for help. This kind of talk should not be tolerated.
MrFamilyman2010 6 days ago in playlist Bill Maher gets schooled on vaccines by Bill Frist
@MrFamilyman2010 - He is simply a chold with nothing better to do... Like crank callers when I was a kid... it was a big thing... to kids
this one likes to make people angry and get a response
michael0156 5 days ago
@michael0156 lol u mad bro?
bferg531 5 days ago
@michael0156 Michael, Great information on all that you post. This other guy is just trying to take away from the conversation by deflecting the attention to himself. Not one sound post to date on any comment section he has visited. Very Childish remarks to. When you see the inserts of the vaccines, do they all appear on the labels or must one contact the company or search online? I have not had a vaccine in decades or has any of my family. Thank you for the great information.
MrFamilyman2010 5 days ago
@MrFamilyman2010 The package inserts are too large to be posted an a label. for instance the MMR package insert is a 12 page pamphlet. It is supposed to be available at the place where you get your immunizations. I believe they are required to give you a copy if you ask, but the same thing is available online if you look for any vaccine or drug and their package insert like - Humira package insert -
Interesting thing about Humira is that the side effects are various types of cancer
michael0156 5 days ago
@michael0156 Thank you Michael. I do not believe in vaccines and never have. I grew up in a household of like minded individuals on the same wave length. It is always a pleasure to share knowledge with others. I am saddened that youtube is forcing all of us to change our page format. I do not like the new one. Will have to play around with it to try and keep it similar.
MrFamilyman2010 5 days ago
What do you call someone who deliberately takes steps that they know will cause harm to children if someone heeds what they say?
What do you call someone who deliberately hurts children?... Doctor?
Why would a doctor hurt kids, without a conscience?
What do you call "people" who deliberately hurt innocent kids... deliberately hurt innocent kids... destroy their futures... burden their families with their 24 hour care
What do you call these people? What do you do with them?
MoodyBluze 6 days ago
@Rarity - Again no evidence, just insults
Rarity admits vaccines harm some of our kids, but says there is no way to avoid it... We just have to accept it, protect drug profits from paying for the injuries & move on with our lives
Clearly "rarity" is just a common shill
Merck admits their MMR is linked to seizures, chronic arthritis (12-26% of women getting MMR get arthritis, most temporary, many for years) & diabetes - 100s of other types of injuries
ONE VACCINE
rarity wants to ignore this
michael0156 1 week ago
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I love how Maher is the one who is always saying that we aren't giving enough to the lower class and acts like the biggest liberal to ever live...but at the end of the day he says it himself that he supports SOPA/PIPA. Funny how he says its not fair when people take from him, but apparently it doesn't matter when he tries to take from others. Lol but the best part is how all you liberals follow this hypocrite /watch?v=oveiLATf2ak
TheAnimeStop 1 week ago
I can't take Bill Maher seriously after he released a book called "A Funny Look At How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass"
I agree with him on alot of things, but he is a douchebag
8XVV 1 week ago
Jesus Christ.... I didn't think it was possible for Maher to be any bigger of a smug piece of shit than he already was. He really does think that he is smarter than everyone else.
pghkid17 1 week ago
Funny….Maher doesn't trust the government with his health but he wants government run health care. The guy is a moron.
PS. He is dead wrong on vaccines.
stugotsIII 1 week ago
Maher is right on this subject.
shreddnsteve 1 week ago
Money can't buy wisdom. He may dance like a monkey for laughs, but he is absolutely stupid. Health care isn't the issue here... The damn U.S. education system is.
captncomic 1 week ago
Wow.
amilitarymind 1 week ago
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TheSmexyPenis 1 week ago
It's true that big pharma companies are making big bucks from vaccines, but that has nothing to do with the efficacy of the vaccines themselves. Strange that Bill Maher would believe this nonsense to begin with, but to go on and argue with a well versed medical doctor armed with nothing but opinions of doctors from over half century ago. This along with his recent anti-piracy rant leads me to believe that he forms opinions first and searches for facts later.
PrimoKarim 1 week ago
@Kareening- critical of Maher but you present no evidence he is wrong
You say he believes "nonsense", he has "nothing but opinion" & "searches for facts later"
You defend the drug industry admitting they make "big bucks" but that "has nothing to do with efficacy"
Since 1988 the NCVIA law says you cannot sue a vaccine maker for injuries vaccines cause
Since 1988 the drug industry has bribed to triple vaccinations & cut corners to increase profits (while toxins rose) & autism soared
michael0156 1 week ago
@kareening
Cost cutting, increasing toxins in vaccines, include making antigens (the most expensive & critical vax component) in genetically engineered bacteria. To get antigens bacteria are crushed. Antigen is ALWAYS contaminated with immune reactive cell debris & toxins from the bacterial soup
Adjuvants (chemicals to prolong & intensify immune reactions) reduce needed antigen & are toxic
Preservatives (like mercury) reduce cost-per-dose. Mercury is not banned from kids vaccines
michael0156 1 week ago
I love how Maher argues with a Harvard Medical School educated cardiothoracic surgeon on the 30 year old patient who died of swine flu. What an ignorant, foolish asshole. And to say that vaccinations are not life saving? Think about how many hundreds of thousands, likely millions, would be dead today if it weren't for vaccinations. Ignorance.
globetrekker3478 1 week ago
@globetrekker3478 You are the ignorant one here, not Maher
Google- MMR package insert - 12 page pamphlet of warnings contraindications, adverse events and precautions MERCK says is linked to MMR
MERCK says 100s of brain & immune system injuries, arthritis, diabetes, etc may happen to you or your child when they are vaccinated
I'm not anti-vax yet, but with people like you making ignorant comments & intelligent people like Dr Bernadine Healy saying vaccines may cause autism, I am close
michael0156 1 week ago
@michael0156 Everything in life has associated risks. Tiny batteries found within children's toys have caused severe issues! Cell phones could be associated with a huge variety of health effects that have yet to develop. I'm far from ignorant. I earned my MD from a prestigious institution and have a good deal of experience in this area. The key word is "may". There are hundreds of "mays" out there. A lack of vaccines will result in effectively preventable illnesses and deaths.
globetrekker3478 1 week ago
@trekker - You claim you're an "MD from a prestigious institution with... experience". Your lack of evidence & your ignorant comments reveal otherwise
You defend Frist's statement "a perfectly healthy 30 year old died of swine flu" & claimed Maher was ignorant for saying that didn't sound right
A perfectly healthy person CANNOT be killed by swine flu
Fear mongering w/o evidence is ignorant
Ignoring evidence is ignorant
Claiming we must accept vaccine injuries as unavoidable is ignorant
michael0156 1 week ago
@michael0156 Yep. As I said you clearly don't have an understanding about anything pertaining to vaccines other than what you hear from the news.
I guess in your little mind the world would have been so much better off had penicillin not been discovered.
RarityLover 1 week ago
@michael0156 It is possible for a healthy adult to lose their life to swine flu. If the flu were to progress to the stage of pneumonia, pulmonary edema could certainly lead to respiratory failure. Maher isn't a medical professional, much less a physician tending to the case, so he has no place opening his big mouth on this issue. He knows nothing of pathology and physiology, and how pathogens affect people in different ways. Also, I never made that claim. Fear mongering? Preposterous.
globetrekker3478 1 week ago
@trekless
So "physician", you claimed swine flu can kill a healthy person. You "explained" that by saying it could progress to pneumonia & death
Effectively, in your "explanation", you merely repeat swine flu can kill healthy people
How does swine flu get around a healthy immune system to cause pneumonia?
Once in the lungs, how does swine flu continue to avoid a healthy immune system to cause respiratory failure?
You are simply a liar & fear monger, like Frist
Stop it. Kids are being hurt!
michael0156 6 days ago
@michael0156 Would you like me to go into an in depth explanation? I'd be more than happy to lay out the true medical facts, but I don't deal well with people who question my credibility as a physician. There's no need for disrespect and arrogance when you lack the credentials and knowledge of the material. Give four years of medical school a shot, and maybe you'll be lucky enough to have me as your attending afterwards. Then again, I'm not sure if I'd want you in my ER. Such a waste of time.
globetrekker3478 6 days ago
@trekless
AGAIN you claim to have evidence, but don't post it. AGAIN you claim to be an accomplished physician, but you haven't presented any evidence or argument to dispute anything I have posted (which is not my research but others' works)
Then you waste another post by attacking me personally
These are the tactics of someone without intellectual ammunition
MMR package insert, Vaccine Injury Table, Dr Bernadine Healy's quotes... I use mainstream evidence, you have no refutation, "doctor"
michael0156 6 days ago
Notice how no one today even talks about Swine Flu, because it was a fucking joke.
Just like SARS, Mad Cow, Bird Flu, and killer bees from Africa.
SHEEPLEwhisperer 1 week ago
@SHEEPLEwhisperer
Every month at Walgreens, it is something different. Flu then Shingles then Whooping Cough. Listen to the radio commercials in the store, same thing. Concerned for our health? Yeah that's why you sell smokes and booze, cause you care sooo much. Stop drinking, smoking and eating crap and exercise. Guess what, less likely to get sick. If that doesn't help more power to ya, get the shots. They feed on your weaknesses and demons so they should be a last resort.
FrantikDisarray 1 week ago
@SHEEPLEwhisperer - I agree, except that Mad Cow isn't a joke, but was caused by the British leather industry wanting cow hides without holes (caused by warble flies)
They bribed the govt to mandate hosing down ALL cattle with Phosmet insecticide. That caused the Mad Cow epidemic
It was exposed by Mark Purdy, an organic farmer who refused to douse his organic herd. Though from a wealthy family he ended up being a target of the chemical companies & the govt
Vaccines need safety studies ASAP
michael0156 1 week ago
Go Bill Maher! Vaccines are a joke and in place to take your money and kill you at the same time.
fortheloveofmybugs 1 week ago
Can't imagine how this uneducated hack has managed to garner a fanbase.
RarityLover 1 week ago
@RarityLover That's simple. Take the age of his average fan (12) multiply by the number of brain cells in their brain (3) and divide by the number of fans (117)...
BlongBlarble 1 week ago
FUCK VACCINES. how many people you know had the REAL FLU? you are fucking retarded to take any type of new vaccine.
THExHOUND 1 week ago
If you think vaccinations are so great why don't you shoot yourself FULL of the lifesaving, mercury, aspartame and cancer cells, etc... Would you support MURDER in your ignorance? Billions of dollars in R&D for what can be created with pennies? Wake up idiots! Do you honestly think they can make out a filter small enough to keep out unknown mycoplasma and live virus that are unknown to us today. What about fungus?? Vaccinations are not even science. You supporters are stupid.
Datasheen 1 week ago
@Datasheen I can tell from your post you have a very remedial understanding of what vaccines are. I had to stop reading when I saw "Vaccinations are not even science."
RarityLover 1 week ago
I swear with the way Maher doesn't even let this guy finish his statements first he may as well change his last name to O'Reailly.
RarityLover 1 week ago
@RarityLover Frist is part of the medical establishment & will suffer economic harm should vaccines be exposed for the all the physiological harm they do to kids & adults
Maher's reached his position thru reason
Vaccines are obviously causing damage. The extent & cause of that damage needs to be studied
The only large govt or industry sponsored studies that have been done study records, & fraudulently say there is no coincidence of vaccinations & autism
Independent clinical study is needed
michael0156 1 week ago
@michael0156 No medicine or medical treatment is ever going to be perfect and they all run risks. But not giving your children vaccines ultimately does more harm than good in the long run. The only people who advocate non vaccination are typically people who have a remedial understanding of anything related to the medical field.
RarityLover 1 week ago
@Rarity- You post no evidence & claim vaccines are unavoidably unsafe
Bravo, 1 step in the right direction. You admit vaccines harm some of our kids
Saying medicine/science cannot figure out why vaccines injure is ignorant
Saying we must accept those risks as unavoidable is ignorant
Claiming people who are opposed to vaccination don't understand "anything related to the medical field" is monstrously ignorant
2008, Former NIH Director Dr Bernadine Healy said "Vaccines may cause autism"
michael0156 1 week ago
First this, now SOPA? I guess you don't need to agree with everything someone says to like them, but still... Shit.
Task5003 1 week ago
I love what Bill Maher says on some issues but he's way off on vaccines and now SOPA. And the anti-vaccine stance is actually dangerous. I don't see how anyone believes the Jenny McCarthy ilk over doctors and scientists.
grasd2 1 week ago
really? wow how close minded
tonyevans90 1 week ago
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I am dissapoint Bill.
Alexc3217 1 week ago
I am dissapoint Bill.
Alexc3217 1 week ago
Bill Maher's ideology will kill people.
jamesjeffreypaul 1 week ago
Seven is right. Big Pharma is there to make money based on our fears... every year or every other year you hear about a new influenza strain that is killing so many americans each year. Those who choose to have blind faith towards what the media is reporting is putting themselves and their immune system at harm. those that dig a little deeper and find that a strong immune system cannot catch such a bug will take necessary steps to be healthy. PROactive not reactive.
gtzucco 1 week ago
SCIENCE will ALWAYS prevail over SUPERSTITION and CONSPIRACY THEORIES
AceofDlamonds 1 week ago
Wow do you Americans not vote him to the presidency of the United States? He is really something !
iska788 2 weeks ago
And how is Bill Maher gonna go talking about "rich people" like he isn't one of them? Like he is separate from them? That seem like some bullshit too...
pro420stereo 2 weeks ago
Don't watch much Bill Maher but hear he has good stuff to say but then how come he over-talks so much? From 1:20 to 1:30 he won't let the guy get a word in...
pro420stereo 2 weeks ago
He does not get schooled
Avaricious123 2 weeks ago
He does not get schooled
brvhrt301 2 weeks ago
@brvhrt301 Only because he doesn't listen.
1stCainite 2 weeks ago
Dear Bill Maher I respect a lot of what u say and mean, but by god read more on vaccination and not only the trolling kind of info. Read info regarding other nations cos the American doctrine is to polarize everything to a point of "your with us, or your a terrorist."
HeavyDemir 2 weeks ago
vaccines should be a choice
thezackwalkumu 2 weeks ago
Only ignorant antiscience religious people object vaccines, and you are not that, Bill Maher; What is wrong with you?
fidenful 2 weeks ago
Flu vaccine is garbage. I only get it because I HAVE to.(Army) It's all guess work anyway. The virus is constantly changing. They are only going by the year before when they give you the vaccine....guessing.
gamergeek 2 weeks ago
A vaccine is a biological preparation that improves immunity to a particular disease. They must be available to inoculate humans, providing them protection against wide spreading cotangents such as smallpox if it were ever released again. It doesn't require a huge bureaucracy to use these as well. So it's a win, win. As a person who tends to favor smaller sized governments and bureaucracy this is one exception that needs to be available.
Sumoto999 2 weeks ago
cmon maher, let him talk. dont be an o reilly
stuflikethis 3 weeks ago 3
This title is incorrect. The winner of the debate is inconclusive. For me, I will not do ANY vaccines! No thanks! I trust mother nature. Man cannot make a quick fix medicine that can fight disease. They're simple out to make money. As long as people are eating junk food, not having any faith and focusing on negativity, they're going to get sick!!!!!!!!!!!!
VitalityMassage 3 weeks ago
@VitalityMassage I agree. Sadly I HAVE to get the flu vaccine because I'm in the military. Typical. It's all guessing though. They don't even know if they have the right vaccine. The flu virus is constantly changing. they can't be sure which strands to include in this..."vaccine"
gamergeek 2 weeks ago
Fuck Bill Maher on this one.
Dondonovan 3 weeks ago
Very misleading title...
hirschman23 3 weeks ago
I am so disappointed with Bill on this issue. Vaccines are life savers.
damo2353 3 weeks ago 24
@damo2353 Well, yeah they most certainly have. But the swine flu wasn't particularly dangerous in general, not much different from an ordinary flu, truth be told. The vaccines did contain thimerosal which "could" be linked to neurological disorders. Yet again, that's a "maybe". Either way I'd say you would likely live unharmed.
McFlanker 2 weeks ago
@McFlanker I'm not so sure about that McFlanker. (with a name like that I'd assume you were a kiwi!). I wonder if you are looking at it with the benefit of hindsight. At the time, there was a very real fear that this flu could have resulted in a huge casualty rate because it had evolved a lot from other flu's and we didn't really know what the result would be. It was prudent management.
As for thimerosal, I don't know of any reputable body that thinks there is a link to it and autism.
damo2353 2 weeks ago
@damo2353 Just like Rick Perry's beloved FORCED HPV vaccines that controversially killed many young girls?
SevenRayedGod 2 weeks ago
@SevenRayedGod Hmmm. Got a cite for that one? As I understand it there are no confirmed cases of death resulting from the vaccine. Even if I were to grant that the 8 cases of girls dying in close proximity of taking the vaccine were caused by the vaccine (and without evidence, I don't) this is still only 8 people in 26 million cases. Many, many more who haven't taken the vaccine will die long, gruesome and painful deaths every year.
damo2353 2 weeks ago
@damo2353 LOL Look up SaneVax a NPO on the HPV Vaccine, perhaps I've should've also stated the issues with adverse reactions to the vaccines, and the politicians who profited from supporting the bill. Big Pharma is not your friend, regardless of how gullible you are.
SevenRayedGod 2 weeks ago
@SevenRayedGod Correlation =/= causation. And it doesn't help your cause to call people who have a differing opinion to you gullible, I have seen and read the evidence from a wide spectrum of sources and I am convinced that the preponderance of the evidence is vastly in favour of the HPV vaccine. As to whether it should be compulsory or not, I am open to argument
damo2353 1 week ago
@damo2353 Fair enough, Oh and I didn't call you gullible it was a general statement. I just tend to be indifferent towards people who have nothing but blind faith towards pharmaceutical companies. If we lived in a peaceful world without greed I wouldn't complain, but you can't sit there and tell me that their isn't any kind of shady business conducted for most medications.
SevenRayedGod 1 week ago
@damo2353 your not gullible, your fucking criminally stupid!
Datasheen 1 week ago
@Datasheen You can't tell the difference between ignorant scaremongering and the results of scientific research.
damo2353 1 week ago
@dum-o
You say correlation ≠ causation, but you believe HPV causes cervical cancer when it is CLEARLY a correlation- not proved
You must have consistency in your posts if you want any credibility. Especially damaging to your cred is self-contradiction
Merck started a 14 year study in 2008 to see if Gardasil will be effective in preventing any cervical cancer. The youngest vaccinees will still not be old enough to show vaaccine effectivity
Long before then Gardasil will be exposed as a hoax
michael0156 6 days ago
@damo2353
You fear monger w/o evidence
The best medical science calls HPV "necessary, but not sufficient" to cause cervical cancer (CC). At least one of several co-factors is ALSO necessary
Oral contraceptives (OC), smoking, chronic STD infection, others. ALL co-factors either impair our immune systmes (smoking, OCs) or are evidence our immune system is already impaired (chronic STD)
NIH studies show an avg of 20% of CC doesn't have HPV
HPV is NOT necessary. Immune impairment is
michael0156 6 days ago
@michael0156 I must confess I am slightly confused by your posts. On the one hand you say that HPV is a necessary condition for cervical cancer, and then you proceed to say that there is "CLEARLY", not a causative relationship between HPV and cervical cancer.
damo2353 6 days ago
@demo - I didn't say HPV is necessary, as you well know, I said "the best medical science calls HPV 'necessary but not sufficient"
I then demonstrated the contradictions, in scientific evidence, about that claim
So what medical text are you culling the phrase "causative relationship"? I said HPV is correlated to cervical cancer, not proved to be the cause. Where's your scientific proof that HPV causes cervical cancer? I've asked you for it
I see you again come here to post without evidence
michael0156 6 days ago
@michael0156 What contraindications? You proceeded to argue that something else was required to cause cancer. Fine, that is exactly what "necessary but not sufficient" means. In order to get CC you need HPV and something else (according to you anyway). So following your claims the most logical thing to do would be to remove HPV and the best way we know how to do that is with the vaccine.
Read it all for yourself:
onlinelibrary.wiley (dot) com/doi/10.1002/ijc.21731/full
damo2353 6 days ago
@damo2353 Again you lie about what I say. But I will correct you AGAIN
Mainstream medical science says HPV is necessary but not sufficient to cause cervical cancer & necessary cofactors are smoking, oral contraceptive use, chronic STD infection etc
I state- Cofactors either damage the immune system or are evidence the immune system is damaged
Search- Humira package insert -Humira damages immunity in order to relieve autoimmune disease symptoms. Side effects? Various cancers
michael0156 5 days ago
@michael0156 I did not lie about what you said. It is not my fault if the sensible reading of your posts are the opposite of what you actually mean.
Anyway, I see that you are having multiple conversations with many people in this video. As I generally don't like to have post more than 3 or 4 replies to someone in YT comments, I will sign off now.
Before I go, got a cite for the Merck study in something I can access?
damo2353 5 days ago
@demo
More insults deflection excuses
For cervical cancer (CC) HPV is not necessary, immune impairment is
I listed Pubmed studies showing CC w/o HPV, you ignore them
Merck's Gardasil info- "Not all vulvar vaginal anal cancers are caused by HPV"
In fact, none are proved to be
The HPV co-factors, to "cause" CC, either impair immunity or prove immunity is impaired. When immunity is impaired, cancer can be a consequence
i.e., The drug Humira impairs immunity, side effects are various cancers
michael0156 5 days ago
@michael0156 Perhaps I was a little to subtle in my previous post. Allow me to be blunt. I am not interested in carrying on this conversation with you. Please do not reply.
damo2353 5 days ago
@damo2353 Don't reply to me with snide remarks if you don;t want a response
Don't ask me for info & stop misquoting me
HPV, according to manistream medicine, cannot cause cervical cancer on its own. Cofactors that mainstream med says are necessary either impair cell mediated immunity (CMI) or prove CMI is impaired
Humira is a drug designed to impair CMI. Humira package insert shows side effects are various cancers
This is a simple proof that immune impairment, not HPV, is necessary for CC
michael0156 3 days ago
@michael0156 you got owned. lol
bferg531 3 days ago
@demo
Gardasil only "protects" against 4 HPV types out of 100
Merck started a 14 year study in 2008 to test Gardasil's efficacy. The youngest participants will be in their 20s at the end of the study, MUCH too young to develop cervical cancer (CC)
Studies finding cervical cancer (CC) w/o HPV (Year & % of CC w/o HPV)
PMID 21133613 (2010 7%)
PMID 9428782 (1998 6.2% 9.1%)
PMID 21387088 (2011 2.4, 20.0, 6.9, 7.7, 33.4%)
PMID 17935171 (2007 52.7%)
This proves HPV is NOT necessary
michael0156 5 days ago
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THExHOUND 1 week ago
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@damo2353 look up what the preservatives used in vaccines are. moron.
THExHOUND 1 week ago
@THExHOUND Presumably you are referring to Thiomersal. Presumably you also take the word of a playmate bunny over that of the many health research organisations, including the World Health Organisation who have never found a link between it and autism or anything else.
It is a great shame that in this internet age anyone with a keyboard can type whatever nonsense they have heard from someone else and it gets treated with the same respect as people who spend their lives studying the subject.
damo2353 1 week ago
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@damo2353 actually thats not what its called. you have yet to do research. so you may resume to blowing me. and btw TL;DR. pwnzorz.
THExHOUND 1 week ago
@damo2353 Speaking of "anyone with a keyboard" typing nonsense, I offer you as an example
I see instead exposing any of McCarthy's ideas aas wrong, you instead attack her as being a former playboy bunny... How about some evidence or expert opinion with some facts?
Try this - Dr Bernadine Healy says vaccines may cause autism
Search- Vaccine Injury Table -The HRSA/FDA admit many live vaccines cause brain & immune system injuries
Merck's MMR package insert links MMR to 100s of types of injuries
michael0156 1 week ago
@michael0156 If one is to argue that there is a causal link between a drug and a particular side affect it is up to that person to provide the evidence for it. There is not, as far as I am aware, any accepted study that links thiomersal with autism. Dr Healy's comments, while interesting, were a criticism of a 2004 report by the Institute of Medicine indicating that there is no evidence of a link. Show me some positive, scientific, peer-reviewed evidence for a link and we can move from there.
damo2353 1 week ago
@damo2353 Haven't taken a vaccine in over 12 years and I can't even remember the last time i was sick. Vaccines are just pushed by big pharma companies. If you think giving a chicken pox vaccine to your toddler is healthy you're a fucknig retard. Guilble morons. You'll beleive anything.
SyringeCycle 1 week ago
@damo2353
For who the Vaccine companies?
SHEEPLEwhisperer 1 week ago
Why? There is no indepent studies that show vaccines prevents any of these diseases that they claim. Bill is right. This guy is owned by big pharma.
jyj4040 1 week ago 2
@jyj4040 Right, so lots of people dying of Polio lately? How about Smallpox? Measles?
damo2353 1 week ago
Bill Maher is worse that people who don't believe in evolution.
His possition is actually dangerous. And would cost lives if people followed his advice.
charlesvan13 3 weeks ago
I love Bill Maher and think he is one of the greatest comedians of our time. BUT!!! He needs to be kicked in the face for his position on vaccines.
thesparitan 3 weeks ago 14
@thesparitan fuck you.
SyringeCycle 1 week ago
@SyringeCycle A comment showing an ignorant person with no argument. Well done, encore?
thesparitan 1 week ago
The truth is, Take away modern medicine, vaccines, antibiotics, etc we would witness the true condition of humanity. Not only would we have all the ugly illness and disease of the old days would also have to deal with all the new cancers viruses etc.. We all live in a bubble that says we are living longer therefore we are healthier than ever in history. Fact is, if it wasn't for medicine barely keeping pace, we would all be screwed. Can an already over burdened health system keep up?
shimwah 3 weeks ago
Its true - America does have the best health care in the world - if you can afford it !
MrMaxTruth 3 weeks ago
it would be funny if bill maher died of the swine flu lol
boxerblackbelt 3 weeks ago
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ashjain74 3 weeks ago
The conspiracy that vaccines are not effective is absolutely absurb. As much so as believing that the government caused 9/11, it is ridiculous. Influenza is constantly mutating, which is why a new vaccine is produced anualy in time for the flu season.
Anyone who does any research will find that there are zero reliable studies that imply anything negative about vaccines, and overwhelming evidence to support that vaccines are effetive.
FulgrimTG 3 weeks ago 2
@FulgrimTG right. nothing to add to this :)
YourSkyliner 3 weeks ago
@FulgrimTG perhaps it would be wise to to listen to arguments before countering the. The issue with vaccines are the preservatives wherein they add mercury and aluminum which are known neuro-toxins, all heavy metals are. Giving these to infants equates to idiocy.
SevenRayedGod 3 weeks ago
@SevenRayedGod the only problem is that there is mercury in any food you eat this days because of generalized pollution and a lack of environmental laws and serious means of control. Mercury is in your alimentary food chain like all those heavy metals you rant about. Mercury is dangerous, but only above a certain level, like nuclear radiations, which your own body emits...
sentenced988 3 weeks ago
@sentenced988 No, mercury is dangerous, period. Regardless of the amount there is still harm done albeit minuscule. Mercury is deadly above a certain level. Mercury in and of itself is harmful at any level. Yes you're right since it is present within the food I eat makes it A OK to ingest it at all. Your logic is infallible. That's SARCASM and I'm dripping with it.
SevenRayedGod 3 weeks ago
@SevenRayedGod Are you going to tell me you never did act in any way that could have put your physical integrity at risk, no matter what this level would have been ? I mean, driving a car or drinking alcohol are both pretty much riskier that getting a flu vaccine with a "nano-amount" of mercury lollllll
sentenced988 3 weeks ago
@sentenced988 Not during infancy lolllllllll imbecile
SevenRayedGod 3 weeks ago
LOL all these great minds and funding go to Africa, yet we still have Africa as a major problem in so many ways. You gotta ask yourself why do we keep repeating the same thing over and over The intelligentsia of this world and millions of dollars in aid, charity and, good will have, as a whole changed nothing.
shimwah 4 weeks ago
@shimwah You got great minds and money that go in africa to help people, but you also got many more great minds and funds going in africa to conduct civil war, to corrupt governments, to help paramilitary groups, etc. etc. Our companies and government fucked africa so many times, I can't believe some people still wonder why they are having a tough time...
sentenced988 3 weeks ago
@sentenced988 You conclude my point. That is, what we call our great minds are perhaps not so great. We look to the intellect as being the solution to our problems. We used to kill with a spear, now we can destroy 100's of thousands with the push of a button, politics, or sheer greed. We have all fallen for the illusion of moving forward, yet, in truth, we are just going in circles.
shimwah 3 weeks ago
@shimwah well, if this can bring some optimism in your day, remember we multiplied by four our life expectancy since prehistory, our societies are way more pacified than before, and we invented music, philosophy, literature and even candies! So, it's not that bad ;)
sentenced988 3 weeks ago
@sentenced988 Did you say candies?
shimwah 3 weeks ago
I can not believe there are people opposed to vaccines. I am a Maher fan, but I was was as shocked as Frist that someone as intelligent as Maher could be this obtuse.
FrodoDojo 4 weeks ago
@FrodoDojo
Go get your daughter the Gardasil Shot, when she slips into a comma, drools for a week and is unable to walk for a week and develops those other great side effects, then tell us how you feel.
bwhite890 3 weeks ago
You offer no evidence to counter what I have supplied
There is not one study that proves autism is genetic. EVERYONE in mainstream medicine maintains autism's cause is unknown. You parrot someone else's lies, or your own, claiming autism is genetic
Confidently parroting lies doesn't intimidate me
EVERYTHING I post is researched & true
You should use science-based evidence, not rhetoric. Don't dare accuse me being ignorant when everything you have spoted is demonstrably false & fraudulent
michael0156 4 weeks ago
Why would this dick face (Maher) want Obama care then???
tricko321 4 weeks ago
Merck supports Maher's ideas on vaccines
Search- "MMR Package Insert" -MERCK'S pamphlet w/ 5 pages of injuries & warnings that based on clinical trials
MERCK'S research connected MMR to encephalopathy seizures diabetes arthritis, ocular palsies, MUCH MORE
Search- "Vaccine Injury Table" -This is an HRSA/FDA list of vaccine injuries that are PROVED- 83 of 900 kids with vax-caused brain injury have autism
Since 1988 we have 3X more shots & 33X more autism, a clear dose/response relationship
michael0156 1 month ago
@michael0156 Since the 1980's the definition of autism has broadened quite a bit, so I'd be hesitant to draw correlations between something that's undergone such a change.
Adding to that, autism is genetic, it is not "Brain damage"
It is, if you will, a malformation.
Adding to that, even, this "malformation" process of the brain begins inside the womb - so unless you're doing in-utero vaccinations a causal link cannot be established.
uruson 1 month ago
@uruson The Autism Genome Project concludes genes pre-dispose, but it takes triggers for autism to develop
CDC/FDA agree autism has risen-You know more?
The definition of autism was narrowed by the DSM-IV. Too many false positives were produced by the DSM-III (back when autism incidence was 3-4 in 10,000 kids- Now 100 in 10,000)
For misdiagnosis to cause a 22 year steady rise psychiatrists' errors must always increase & the APA be unable to recognize or correct these errors
michael0156 4 weeks ago
@michael0156 “It is premature to state that there is no increase in prevalence,” says W. Ian Lipkin, a professor of neurology, anatomy, and neurobiology at Columbia University. “None of the studies to date has been designed to definitively address the issue.”
Environ Health Perspect. 2006 July; 114(7): A412–A418.
There is no consensus, which means science still don't know for sure if there was an increase or no in prevalence. I guess you may have an opinion, but you certainly don't know more.
sentenced988 3 weeks ago
@michael0156 It would be appreciated, if you could spend a few minutes and try to disprove what you think you know before spreading it.
While your intention is most likely a good one, spreading incorrect information such as this may cause harm to befall children whose mothers' have been misled by the prevalence of what you're saying.
In short, even if you mean well, spreading "information" can cause harm.
Research, examine, then apply your good intentions as best you can.
uruson 1 month ago
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michael0156 4 weeks ago
Dr Bernadine Healy, in a 2008 CBS News interview said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper studies have not been done"
Dr Healy is a former NIH Director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Chair of the Clevland Clinics Research Institute whose opinion is expert & relevant
Julie Gerberding (corrupted former CDC head 2003-2009) defended vaccines, supported Merck's Gardasil & pushed for mandatory flu vaccination
In 2010 she was made president of Merck's Vaccine division
michael0156 1 month ago
People are sick in America because of their diet habits! Why was that question hard to answer? One of the first sane republicans on his show.
mcraigor1 1 month ago 2
The whole swine flu thing was completely over blown. The regular flu was just as dangerous as the swine flu...
nkelly1432 1 month ago
um, well, vaccines aren't safe anyway
Genocideviawaski 1 month ago
Bill Maher, for "putting it out there" that pregnant women need not get vaccinated, you have now become a pathetic piece of shit. You make the Republican setting next to you look a socially responsible human being...
videorprologic 1 month ago
With vagueness in scientific literature there are uncertainties with what is right or wrong and people tip their uncertainty with their ulterior motivations, think greed, patience, etc.
appman1138 1 month ago
the choice to treat somebody isn't always a 100% clear and obvious choice(think anti-depressants, idiot), and your assumption that research is always valid or not was also 100% pulled out of your ass. Sociological or Psychological researchers do not have to factor in that 'correlation does not equal causation' when drawing conclusions from studies. They rely on 'obviousness' to tell them what their finding 'suggest' whatever that means- vagueness has no place in Science.
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Bill could be wrong, that isn't the point. What's even more wrong is that the people who want him to shut up on this issue immediately and blindly take the side of doctors- I cannot believe they can just retardedly dismiss the role corporations and society play in western medicine along with any possibility that doctors can be inherently flawed.
appman1138 1 month ago
if everyone was healthy, doctors would be out of a job.
much easier to prevent illnesses instead of trying to 'treat' them, eat healthy stay natural
not 'normal'.
elbuano13 1 month ago
@elbuano13
if only that was true
skuterixas91 1 month ago
One observation that has to be pointed out is that calling bill maher crazy is not an argument. It doesn't require any brains to do that. Chances are you haven't done much
more homework on the subject than he has and you would like to mindlessly point at someone who has an opinion that is against the norm.
appman1138 1 month ago
I hate this misleading title. No one is "schooled". Two men have a respectful intelligent discussion.
DaleRobby 1 month ago
Here's the thing. We know jack and diddly about the human body. Doctors will tell you this. What we know is nothing compared to what we would like to know, and what we know there is to know.
One thing we do know is that a virus will not be effected by a vaccination. They mutate upon entering your body, and then the vaccine is useless.
For things like polio, mumps etc. they are good. But flu viruses mutate too fast.
CorrundumAndSilver 1 month ago
I love Bill Maher, but he's no different than the religions he downgrades when it comes to his ideology of medicine. It's grounded in faith and paranoia.
DayneAW 1 month ago
@DayneAW western medicine is grounded in profit. I'd like to pound that into your head please.
appman1138 1 month ago
@appman1138
appman or apeman? No western medicine is grounded in science and proof . Sure they might over sell you on the need some times but that doesn't mean its all bs.
Bitching about how its "grounded" in profit is just retarded. some one ALWAYS profits.
liesandtricks 1 month ago
@liesandtricks medicine is not '100%' grounded in proof when pharmaceutical companies buy out doctors and conduct their own research. It yields something useful but there is an overall bias and western medicine needs to be overhauled for that reason. Physics is the only real science because its empiricism is TANGIBLE, not consisting of vague anecdotes, and it's grounded in mathematics, not relying on potentially sloppy and slanted statistics.
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@liesandtricks For people who disagree it's an ethical issue. You CANNOT tell somebody they're anti science when their quarrel is ethical. What does that make you? Are doctors men in coats, or gods? Pick one, you don't want anybody to criticize their ethical choices because we're laymen?
appman1138 1 month ago
@appman1138 Conducting your own research says nothing about the validity of this research.
Physics the only?....seriously? 1) many parts of physics aren't tangible. 2) Many parts of medicine are, both through empirical evidence and other sciences, including physics. Your complete ignorance about sciences such as chemistry, astronomy etc the methods, the proof etc is ridiculous. As is your supposed monopoly of physics on empirical evidence or mathematical support.
liesandtricks 1 month ago
@appman1138
And yes you can. If you oppose a scientific claim without science of your own your anti science. The reason why you oppose it is irrelevant for this. Your objection is also not ethical. Your not addressing the ethical use of the valid research your addressing the scientific validity of there research. What i want is that the ppl who criticize them to know what there talking about. Otherwise its not criticism but voicing ignorance.
liesandtricks 1 month ago
@liesandtricks Part of it is ethical, there is a vast assumption that as many people as possible need treatment and nobody cares or addresses how much this assumption is motivated by corporations. Every argument against western medicine could probably be shortened to that sentence.
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appman1138 1 month ago
@liesandtricks "Physics is the only real science. The rest are just stamp collecting." Who said that?? A religious nut?No, Ernest Rutherford, father of nuclear physics. He also said "An alleged scientific discovery has no merit unless it can be explained to a barmaid." "That which is not measurable is not science." At least in physics, that which is intangible they at least admit is intangible and do a good job of measuring just how intangible something is.
appman1138 1 month ago
@liesandtricks in bullshit social science studies, logical fallacies are often used to draw conclusions based off of the researcher's bias, etc. i.e. when interpreting studies, words like 'suggest' are used when researchers are drawing a conclusion based off of what looks logical. From that point forward their ethics, which are not perfect to say the least, determine how they want to interpret what they see as appearing to be logical.The field should be considered an embarrassing can of worms.
appman1138 1 month ago
I love how people in this comment section attempt to point out that a cardiologist/cardiac surgeon doesnt have a right to speak about vaccines. Considering those "doctors" that speak out against vaccination, "Western" medicine", "big pharma", etc ALL dont remotely have the credentials or even experience to speak about vaccines. Its hilarious seeing guys like Mercola pushing medical propaganda while scamming people into buying his supplements.
DayneAW 1 month ago
@DayneAW it's not even really funny man as a pharmcy student it's really fucking sad to see, the pharmaceutical industry has saved millions upon millions of lives worldwide and halted crippling diseases, yet snobbish leftist elitist assholes conjure up idiotic creepy conspiracy theories to push a political agenda in a non political field, the whole anti vaccine movement is really fucking low, check out penn and teller's bullshit episode on them, they bring the despicable movement to light
krll98 1 month ago
A heart surgeon trying to comment on vaccines?
mikenotnumberone1 1 month ago
@mikenotnumberone1
a guy on youtube who thinks he's atleast half as smart as a HEART SURGEON who do you think he is some lowly iq quy ? they overtake the most demanding lerning its hands down one of the hardest professions on earth
skuterixas91 1 month ago
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@skuterixas91 Sure they do..but what has that got to do with vaccines? Heart surgeons? Indoctrinated medicine practice? The god complex? I sure want that at my bed side. that is why with all this supreme skill..so many are dying of heart disease and it is the #1 killer..along with medical deaths from drugs and others in the field. Ever watch commercials? See the drug ads, then see the lawyer firms suing them? Kind of goes hand in hand. did you need a degree to see that?
mikenotnumberone1 3 weeks ago