A Rabbi Tries To discover The Original Jesus Movement (3/3)

[valleart]

This is a great video with amazing information. I hope there are other videos with this Rabbi.

[venom769]

I appreciate what the Rabbi says and I feel he was respectful. Unfortunately, it's not possible for Judaism to be a light to the nations because the world doesn't want or need religion, even a "Christian" religion. People need to know God, have peace with Him, and a relationship. That comes from a person, Yeshua, not religion. I grew up in a church but it didn't matter until my heart was changed through love that only God provides through Yeshua. peace to Israel.

[tzedekyahu]

The name yeshua is a shortened version of the name yehoshua, which means "G-d is my salvation" or at least close to that. This is joshua in english, as in joshua sone of nun, moshes successor. It was an extremely popular jewish name.

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

...can Elohim became a Man ?

Emmanuel \e-mma-nuel\ as a boy's name is pronounced ee-MAN-yoo-el. It is of Hebrew origin, and the meaning of Emmanuel is "God is with us". Variant of the Hebrew name Immanuel. was Isaiah wrong ? is this mistranslated also ? I just want to know the truth, I spend one hour with the Rabbi, all he did was talked about studding about the TALMUD.

...and He wouldn't even talk to my x-tian friend !!!

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

Isaiah 8:8

New King James Version (NKJV)

8 He will pass through Judah, He will overflow and pass over, He will reach up to the neck; And the stretching out of his wings Will fill the breadth of Your land, O Immanuel.

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

...the Rabbi I talked to told me that in order to understand the Tanak I have to study the Talmud ?!

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

Proverbs 30 2 Surely I am more stupid than any man, And do not have the understanding of a man. 3 I neither learned wisdom Nor have knowledge of the Holy One. 4 Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son’s name, If you know? can I get some help...

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

...why a Jewish man that die 2000 years ago it's a subject of so much controversy, I just found out that he's name it's not Jesus but Y'shua ישןע

[straygypsy]

@LIQUIDFLUIDR12X .............and tell us. What does Yeshua mean in Hebrew?

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@straygypsy I'm not sure it looks likes a variant of savior, that saves, ? on the computer it brings back to Jesus ? I'm don't speak Hebrew, but do know the true meaning ? Shalom !!!

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

Isaiah 52:13-15 13 Behold, My Servant shall deal prudently; He shall be exalted and extolled and be very high. 14 Just as many were astonished at you, So His visage was marred more than any man, And His form more than the sons of men; 15 So shall He sprinkle[a] many nations.  Kings shall shut their mouths at Him; For what had not been told them they shall see, And what they had not heard they shall consider.

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

...can I a Jew believe in Jesus and still be a Torah Observant ?

[Jews4Judaism]

@LIQUIDFLUIDR12X if believing in Jesus means that you redefine the role of the Messiah to someone who dies for your sins, the answer is no, according to the Bible you can't.

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@Jews4Judaism my X-tian friend he's really annoying, Shame on me, but he knows the Tanak better than I we're watching these videos together and because of him I started to read my Tanak, ( THANKS my XXX-tian friend )

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@Jews4Judaism Ok he point this out, as far the role of the Messiah was to die for our people

Daniel 9: 25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[d] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.

[straygypsy]

@LIQUIDFLUIDR12X The anointed one was the last King of the Jews...King Agrippa. He was anointed by Ceiphas. The only High Priest that had anointing authority at that time.

Oh..and by the way..he died in 44 AD. (or was it 40 AD?) before the destruction of the Second Temple as scripture states.

How was Jesus anointed?

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@straygypsy so are saying that Daniel got it wrong ? ...who the xxxitans worship as the Living Elohim ? I don't know about prophecy but ck this out !!!

Daniel 7:13-14

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@straygypsy Daniel 7:13-14 13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. ( ? ) His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@Jews4Judaism Isaiah 53

4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering,

yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;

the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,  each of us has turned to our own way;

and the L-RD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. ( what's your input ? )

[straygypsy]

@LIQUIDFLUIDR12X Yes...we know what your homosexual Freemason scriptures state (KJV).

But we don't read the homosexual freemason scripitres. We only read the Hebrew.

Sorry...

By the way..you were aware that King James (the one who you believe G-d had his word commissioned by) is currently buried with his 2 male lovers in the UK to this date...didn't you?

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@straygypsy I don't have a clue, about it, what are you talking about ? are you saying the Original Isaiah 53 in Hebrew it's different from the English version ?

[straygypsy]

@LIQUIDFLUIDR12X YUP!

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@straygypsy going back on Isaiah 53 I got two Tanak Hebrew and English side by side and it says the same thing in English, Portuguese, Spanish and Hebrews, what's up that ? I asked a Rabbi about that he told me that was Israel, but the text says " 4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering," cold be that Jesus is the Messiah but we are blind by pride ? 3 He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.

[straygypsy]

@LIQUIDFLUIDR12X .....and let me guess...this is the JPS Tanak...correct? FYI, the JPS was rejected by the Orthodox for some reasons that the JPS catered for the xtian dollar by not stating what the scripture actually says. You need to get an Artscroll Tanach. It is the only English translation endorsed by the Orthodox that I know of..

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@straygypsy are you talking about The Stone Edition ? The ArtScroll Series Mesorah Publications, LTD greem cover ?

[straygypsy]

@LIQUIDFLUIDR12X Yes..but they are also in black, white, red

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@straygypsy THAT'S the that I got at the Synagogue this past Shabbath do you have one ? take a look at it it says the same thing....

[LIQUIDFLUIDR12X]

@david5173red No what ???

[4trahasis]

I enjoyed the equation of written Torah to the letter of the law, and oral Torah, as spirit of the law. Despite all my readings in both Judaism and Christianity, this had never occurred to me.

[venom769]

@4trahasis Spirit of the Law comes through a love for God, and from God, which motivates the person to live a godly life. It doesn't come through more man-made traditions.

[4trahasis]

@venom769 Manmade traditions can be from, and in, Spirit, no? The Book was written by men, as were the traditions transmitted by men -- why could only one of these claim exclusivity of Spirit?

Whether or not they are _received_ as such (i.e. with/in Spirit) is another matter entirely. There are many a person who hold exclusively to "the inspired Word of God" and know nothing of the Spirit.

[venom769]

@4trahasis You raise an interesting question. For me, I grew up Catholic, and they teach that "the church" has rules from God that go beyond the Bible. With no disrespect to Catholics, the religious organization has brought in many traditions that directly go against the Bible. When I became a born again believer, a went right to the Bible. There, i discovered its Jewish roots, as well. I believe that the oral law is not inspired by the Spirit, but is man-made; I find a similarity here...

[venom769]

@4trahasis (cont) I don't believe we can regard oral law as inspired by the Holy Spirit as Tanach is. I do believe there is a different meaning in "spirit of the law" however, apart from what we're discussing now. Spirit of the law means love God and make Him first, and love neighbor as yourself.  If you have that in your heart, following Him becomes natural. If we love God, we can follow Him and work out the gray areas between us and Him alone without more restrictions choking out the spirit

[4trahasis]

@venom769 Thanks for your response, honesty, and kindness - if only all followers of Yeshua (so-called) would behave as you.

Two things: 1) Even if the oral Torah is not _as_ inspired by the Holy Spirit as Tanach, portions of it are quotations from men that had married with the Ruach HaKodesh (& not even all such men were on the same level, i.e. did not agree completely regarding matters). Though some are unprepared to receive Spirit, e.g. it is impossible to transfer water to a leaky vessel...

[4trahasis]

@venom769 (cont) and have it retain, this does not mean one should be withholding with one's water, even if all the other has are porous hands which will spill much to the ground. An issue here is not just with the words shared, but the recipients trying to follow them without attaining the state behind them, i.e. their hands are occupied with other things (they do not sell their goods and follow Spirit, do not yoke their chamor/chomer, donkey/material, in service to Spirit); uncultivated. ...

[4trahasis]

@venom769 2) My Franciscan grandmother, aging more rapidly now, lamented a week ago that there were not more rules in religion, that it's too easy to get distracted without knowing what to be doing, no matter how good her intentions.

It is evident to me that even if one has Spirit, they can still benefit by studying Law. It is not enough to simply "love thy neighbor" in one's heart (Mt 25:40-45) -- that Spirit must bear fruit, through our actions, in this world, even between two strangers. ...

[4trahasis]

@venom769 (4th post) If we do have the Holy Spirit, is it possible for us to read Law disparagingly?

I would argue that to disparage law would be to _not_ love thy neighbor; to deny the particulars of how Spirit _can_ reside in their individual, and communal, self.

Divine union is not only possible, but necessary: Law & Spirit, Justice & Grace, Creator & created.

Thanks for reading, maybe next time this should be taken to messages instead of comments? Nothing against public sharing.

Peace!

[venom769]

@4trahasis True, it's very hard to formulate an argument on here. Beyond what has been said, I think one major point of disagreement is: I believe any extra rules in religion should be made between the person and God. I am called to be "a saint" and not only can I have direct communion with God, but I can also become aware of what boundaries I need to set in my life that will personally enable me to walk my path. But I see depth of understanding and sincerity in your words which I appreciate!

[4trahasis]

@venom769 re: extra rules, I do not disagree, especially when speaking of Gentiles.

In high school, my philosophy teacher told me the reason to study ancient philosophy is that we not go over the mistakes of others, to have somewhat of a blueprint for our house of ideas. Just because they are old does not make them useless, and just because we study them does not mean we must agree 100%; there are great truths and love of the Creator within "Spiritless" law, stepping stones to greater service.

[SCORNDOGGMELACH]

5:18 - 6:18 Excelent clarification. But it will continue to fall on too many def ears who are blinded by faith and dominated by feeeeeeeelings of certainty and controlled by emotion. The average Christian doesnt know the difference between a Saducee and a Pharasee.After contending with so many antisemetics, twisted and inspired from the various corrupted texts,all designed to prove the Christian postulate over the centuries, I have found that SOME DONT WANT TO KNOW TORAH TRUTH.They need the LIE

[venom769]

@SCORNDOGGMELACH Emotion comes from God, and God desires our love and praise. If God is in your life and you love the Lord, the emotion will be involved. And yet true faith is commitment, even if we don't feel it all the time. We know this even through natural relations between husband and wife, family, etc. And yet people do not grasp this with God. If God is truly worshiped, we'll know His love, and thus we can follow the spirit of the law.

[SCORNDOGGMELACH]

@venom769 Im not nulifying the aspect of emmotion. Im saying that emmotion is no way to reach discernment. THE LAW IS.GODS LAW.NOT THE HEART'S. The point is there will always be a moment where a person may find emmotionally something God asks troubling him as a human being , while his friend or neighbor will accept it with gladness. The point is obedience, NOT FEEEEEELIIINGS. God requires more of the Jewish people than just love and praise. Christianity breaks off a piece & claims the whole.

[zech823]

@72Yonatan

Ahh! Excellent. Thank you. :-)

[zech823]

@72Yonatan

That's not what I asked at all.

I asked what is the specific word he uses at the end of the sentence  "This Nazarite offering is a ___" ? at 2:34.

[zech823]

What is the word Rabbi Eli uses at 2:34, "This Nazarite offering is a ___" ?

[72Yonatan]

@zech823

A Nazir is a person who has made a vow not to eat any product of the vine: no wine, no grapes, no raisins. The second part of the vow is that he must not shave or cut any hair from his body for the period of the vow (usually 30 days). And the final condition is that he may not come near or touch a corpse. He must then bring a sacrifice to the temple in Jerusalem which releases him from his vow.

See the Book of Numbers, Chapter 6, the entire chapter.

[72Yonatan]

The rav says, "this nazirite offering is a sin offering.."

He is referring to Chapter 6, verse 11, where it is told Israel what to do to remedy a Nazir whose vow is not completed, but someone died suddenly near him and he became contaminated and did not finish the vow. That is when a sin offering is brought. Otherwise, if his vow has been completed without any such interruptions, then he brings 3 korbanot: an Olah - a burnt offering, a Hatat-sin offering, and then a Shlemah-a peace offering.