ya i think rogues are good tanks, but problem is they lack aggro. I think blizz should think of making a set of talents for tanking, or an ability to cause HIGH threat.
about the threat!a rogue at lvl 70 could easily keep agroo with cap expertise and hit and at 70 lvl all the raid could have salvation!and rogue with wf could easily make a lot threat at the boss to keep it on him!and ofc not its not a private server nabss!!if it was he wouldnt post server name etc!!the guys is really a pro!!!/bow
why would this be a private server? agility (rogue's main stat) gives you dodge....
even with 30% reduced threat buff on rogues had to back off of damage to keep from pulling threat in BC, why should he have trouble holding aggro on one mob?
Way. Remember this is back at 70. With old windfury (which he has) and the right group buffs (which i think he has), it was no problem at all for a rogue to top threat meters. Even with salvation on everyone we used to have rogues and warriors dying left and right if they weren't watching omen.
Yet still top the dps meters? i play a rogues..drop people so fast in pvp..i must admit we don't have as much surviveability as we did in bc..but then again we were so op it was stupid :P
Depends, i'm usually near the top (top 3 at least). People drop pretty fast but mutilate seems to be the best spec in wowtlk since almost every class has like a million snares and you'll never get to backstab XD so yeah im 41/5/25 which seems to be a good PvE/PvP spec
Rogues in burning crusade were the bomb now they suck lol before i had real problem with rogues how i am a warrior with a 2 handed and he is running all around with crippling posions or whatever it is and i couldnt get him now i touch him and he is dead before i couldnt touch them now i have no problem against them
Read what you said then come back. PRE-BC is before The Burning Crusade. As in before any expansion. Illidan is in BC. hence this is not PRE-BC. thanks pal xD
Nice vid but if you realy are cyknate your achievement fade away. You just tell us every moron with no education can farm that's all. I like the part "you wish you could be me with my creativity, so give it the fuck up, shut the fuck up, and continue your pathetic life of not getting laid" Well you realy need to spend alot of time to farm for the avoidance gear witch btw can be found on the net. What i want to say here is keep your mouth shut you ruin what you manage to accomplice.
Any team good enough to get this far in the first place will be able to handle the threat issues. Not to mention you pretty much free up a healer spot. :)
I was just wondering if the rogue would have an aggro problem as in holding it. and to that effect the rest of the raid would have to hold back their dps. even with salv and buff and such. and also if the raid has to hold back their dps eventually wouldn't the boss enrage? just wondering some of my guildies have been talking about rogue tanks.
Oh haha. Didn't notice she posted her raid buffed dodge stats. Well, my point still stands; changing out her parry trinket for the dodge/defense trinket from BT would put her at about 78.8%; replacing all her blue gems with epic gems would give her an additional 24 agility. Modify with kings and 15% more agility from talents, that is 30 more agility, which puts her over the 80% mark. And still, she doesn't have the best tanking gear in the game; pants gloves gun bracers shoulders could be uped
Actually, i don't have imp agility totem/imp mark on my private server, so i suppose she could be at 80 without upgrading any gear. But getting epic gems and having the improved buffs would put her above 80% even without improved gear.
Unbuffed on armory this rogue has 60.2% chance to dodge. Replace her parry trinket with the tanking trinket from BT, that goes up to 62.5%. With agility food, scroll of agility, imp mark, imp agility totem, kings, and an agility potion, and she has about 78% to dodge. Kings alone would add a very large amount of that. Replace her blue gems with epic ones, get one or two pieces of sunwell gear, and she tops 80%.
How do i know? I'm on a private server testing out her gear iwth upgrades.
Ok everyone Matthewm is correct you cant get over 80% dodge raiting on a rogue untill WoLK comes out so no more arguing who ever thinks they have more they are retarded!!! and thats PERIOD.... No more talking about this subject!
He was buffed everyone he posted his stats when he was buffed.... and he was uncrushable/untouchable with his melee advodiance or w/e... And the way he keeps aggro is the damage he does and how fast he/she does. (sorry for calling you a he if your a she)... Good job!!
yeah i know that he can't get hit by melee... I new that from reading the start... But some guy is claiming he has 100% dodge Which you can't get due to it being nerfed...
Hey cyknate Why do you always "Enter" In the middle of talking? Is that suppose to make you smart? Or just make you look like you have a clue to what your saying...?
Go back to blowing your mom and zero knowledge of wtf goes on, maybe when you have some gear and see what its like to have some real stats, you can enter this conversation, until then, shut the fuck up, you dont know shit, you dumbass used tampon.
Haha, your really funny... So what you call me me a used tampon on the internet? What does my world of warcraft character have to do with this? I don't play rogues, I play a mage. Unlike you who doesn't read the patch notes but maybe if you can stop being a brain dead idiot and maybe Look up the dodge cap...
Ok, Brain dead idiot read WoWgeek comment, I bet you don't even know what we are talking about? You are just calling me a "Dumb fuck" And lying about wow chars who is probably not even 70 yet. And look what you said "Go fist your mom as your dad shits on your face and then smeeres it all your face as you eat his ass you fucking dildo." Sounds like someone was sexually abused when they where little!
Hey dude wait till your balls drop, Before you act tough on the internet what are you a 11 year old racist asshole who thinks hes tough. Oh btw you wrote dumb ass wrong. Dumb shit.
hahahahah, I love it, only people who bust our grammar remarks are the ones with no creativity of a comeback.
Your a fucking retard, stop talking to me. You're no where near my level, great name, a bunch of 8's after you name, real creative you special ed fuck up. So far you manage to repeat everything I saw, which just shows you wish you could be me with my creativity, so give it the fuck up, shut the fuck up, and continue your pathetic life of not getting laid and being an embarrassment.
Woah i love people who comment on creativity, you know what i love is how you just call me names with out telling me how your right how someone can achieve 100% dodge when 80% is the cap. Oh I'm engaged. I'm done talking to people who have no life and just flame all day. Oh And i forgot to mention i no longer play world of warcraft.
ya i think rogues are good tanks, but problem is they lack aggro. I think blizz should think of making a set of talents for tanking, or an ability to cause HIGH threat.
kikbxr94 2 months ago
he had a 100% dodge chanse
tigurius555 2 months ago
Rogues have/had "Shiv" its a high threat stike and presuming hes doing decent dps + a MD he would be fine
Raammson 2 months ago
i got just 1 question... how does she keep aggro?
ianmeesters88 5 months ago
@ianmeesters88 i would guess misdirect by the hunters
archangel1845 4 months ago
forfeit by chevelle! for future reference, often the song is listed just below the video!
SpazOfDublin 6 months ago
Whats the name of the song and the artist or just the song
loves2jack 9 months ago
0:27 cameltoe.
Tyrrsh 1 year ago
Cant Touch This
Roguesaxophone57 1 year ago
my rogue also had 100% melee avoidance :D
Ciemon 1 year ago
how do you keep aggro?
jexman41 1 year ago
@jexman41
Aggro for Gaeowyn was held very carefully.
It required for Sanc to be placed on the entire raid except Gaeowyn and for them to watch Omen to make sure they didn't gank threat from him.
KyleWilliamsonMusic 1 year ago
sweet fucking music
loves2jack 1 year ago
about the threat!a rogue at lvl 70 could easily keep agroo with cap expertise and hit and at 70 lvl all the raid could have salvation!and rogue with wf could easily make a lot threat at the boss to keep it on him!and ofc not its not a private server nabss!!if it was he wouldnt post server name etc!!the guys is really a pro!!!/bow
panoulis101 2 years ago
if you play on durtan add Komidus
nuanmaneerobbie 2 years ago
Private server?? BTW how the fuck can he keep the aggro??!
nordpolen111 2 years ago
salvation on all the othe rmembers of the raid maybee? exept him? not hard for a rouge to keep aggro if the raid watches omen -.-
labelblack999 2 years ago
if he tops dps its not hard
MrInsania 2 years ago
why would this be a private server? agility (rogue's main stat) gives you dodge....
even with 30% reduced threat buff on rogues had to back off of damage to keep from pulling threat in BC, why should he have trouble holding aggro on one mob?
gamerprdgy112358 2 years ago
lol private server?
You sir are an idiot.
Vathinas 2 years ago
You too!
nordpolen111 2 years ago
cause im an idiot to know its not a private server
im an idiot because i know how the rogue held aggro?
OHRLLY!?!?
Vathinas 2 years ago
Not beacause of that... It's beacuse you don't know how to spell Oh really!
nordpolen111 2 years ago
sure...
Vathinas 2 years ago
@Vathinas rogues are known for stealing aggro from tanks.....
TheNickmonster1 1 year ago
@TheNickmonster1 thats pretty much what i said are you fucking illiterate?
Vathinas 1 year ago
@TheNickmonster1 the problem is that rogue was sub i do believe the rogues that were major agro where combat if memory servers me right
tjpinto74 8 months ago
Way. Remember this is back at 70. With old windfury (which he has) and the right group buffs (which i think he has), it was no problem at all for a rogue to top threat meters. Even with salvation on everyone we used to have rogues and warriors dying left and right if they weren't watching omen.
evilrocki 2 years ago
Old Windfury was fucking amazing
IzzyArayaFan 2 years ago
No way. He would've never been able to keep aggro.
msiclife20 2 years ago
he could have easily held aggro as the video proves
dont say shit if you dont know shit
Vathinas 2 years ago
rogue tanks are the best tanks imo
Zzathpwnsyaface333 2 years ago
with hunters :D
Griever1981 2 years ago
how can he hold aggro? Oo
Yellovvsnovvman 2 years ago
dps....
hickyfuck 2 years ago
i feel like bringing 25 80s in here just to own him so fast
cprules23 2 years ago
RyAr what addon are you using??
MistMizuKage211 2 years ago
Lol, I love the last part.
barnes4861 2 years ago 4
how can you keep aggro the whole fight? :)
takspids 2 years ago
Probably had used hunters using misdirect when ever cool down was off to keep Illidan glued to him perhaps?
DeathsChrist 2 years ago
and also back then salv was OP
popularwar1991 2 years ago 2
Real Nice :)
Apocalypticoo 2 years ago
Rogues got nerfed had now, ;[
Yurri703 2 years ago
Yet still top the dps meters? i play a rogues..drop people so fast in pvp..i must admit we don't have as much surviveability as we did in bc..but then again we were so op it was stupid :P
mightybigb00 2 years ago
Depends, i'm usually near the top (top 3 at least). People drop pretty fast but mutilate seems to be the best spec in wowtlk since almost every class has like a million snares and you'll never get to backstab XD so yeah im 41/5/25 which seems to be a good PvE/PvP spec
and we were op in tbc, true that xd
Yurri703 2 years ago
mut got nerfed, its all about combat in pve now and prep/mut in pvp. although mut is deffinatly still viable combat does more damage
popularwar1991 2 years ago
Rogues in burning crusade were the bomb now they suck lol before i had real problem with rogues how i am a warrior with a 2 handed and he is running all around with crippling posions or whatever it is and i couldnt get him now i touch him and he is dead before i couldnt touch them now i have no problem against them
broyoso2 2 years ago
we have top pve dps....yea rogues suck
hickyfuck 2 years ago 2
Knowledgeable Rogue = Great dps
Stupid rogue who complains they're class is UP = Horrid dps
Rogues are amazing dps , With full 25 raid buffs i pull a consistant 6-7k
crazytoad10010 2 years ago
grats...? 7k was pre-toc in full ulduar gear. on a tank n spank in regular toc gear as assas you should be looking more at 8.5k
hickyfuck 2 years ago
as prot sure lols. But anyone pvp'ing in arenas as prot is a scrub, and warriors are ezmode for a knowledgable rogue as arms, 50/50 as fury
hickyfuck 2 years ago
And cuz im pretty sure they didn't even nerf other classes as bad as rogues
Lathendros 2 years ago
Casseerole i'm complaining about blizz nerfinG ROGUES and im not even a rogue
Lathendros 2 years ago
Donor!? jajaja this isn´t wowscape or something like that, this is a blizz server
amayalluqu616 2 years ago
New patch messed up Rogues badly Good going blizz and great job love 2 see that ur actually doing something that ppl say can't b done
Lathendros 2 years ago
funny how your complaining after being one of the best classes since Pre-BC
casseerole 2 years ago
uhmm is it pre-bc??? no so shutup
littleCHIKON 2 years ago
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Yes it definitely is from pre-tbc as Illidan is the last boss of The Burning Crusade (well Kil'Jaeden actually).
temelizer 2 years ago
Read what you said then come back. PRE-BC is before The Burning Crusade. As in before any expansion. Illidan is in BC. hence this is not PRE-BC. thanks pal xD
littleCHIKON 2 years ago 6
Sarcasm... Good to know you understand it.
trucksconvoy 2 years ago
dude, siic tanking skillz...lol is this like at lvl 80 or still lvl 70?
rsado 2 years ago
wie kann man den bitte 76% dodge haben. das geht doch nich
Ac3r0n 2 years ago
why does illidian have a british accent?
abaddon1400 2 years ago
and whats wrong with a british accent? You got something against England?
XGTDaveX 2 years ago
not at all. i love the brits!
abaddon1400 2 years ago
Man, endgame really is a totally different game to levelling, isn't it.
Wish I had the patience to see WoW through to the really interesting stuff.
boiledelephant 2 years ago 2
how the fuck do you keep aggro from a lets say a hunter
friti2 2 years ago
Misdirect/feign death? A smart hunter never has high aggro for long.
odyyseus345 2 years ago 3
new pach messet up rouge tanks
chomy246 3 years ago
Rogue = Namlak I think
There is a dagger with parry and dodge named after him/her.
doortodoorcook 3 years ago
the rogue is actualy Gaeowyn...
sagerette 2 years ago 2
Mmmm... This one rogue in pvp... Uff!
xXxllSantosllxXx 3 years ago
what's the name of the song?
ashemydream 3 years ago
its by chevelle, believe their 2nd album. i cannot think of the name of the song though.
juddlewishall 3 years ago
i did not see that cheat death! I didnt
mordiFm 3 years ago
if your untouchable from melee, why are u still getting spam healed when he is doing melee on u? :S
benjamin915 3 years ago
He still does spell damage.
IvanaGetcuharde 3 years ago
if i would be untouchable for melee, i rly wouldn't go do pve xD its PVP TIME XD
let those filthy war's/prot pally/feraldroods/rogues come xD
Fairestt 3 years ago
which can stun you / attack from behind negating parry and also dodge i think, so year they would kill you.
DieKao 3 years ago 2
Yea wlel now that WOTLK's out, all the rogues got nerfed. Now only tanks can tank.
ZathekBrandMovies 3 years ago
that's fucking crazy...got 80 rogue and she can tank UK and Nexus..but ha...i would so die trying that crap...i would love to be untouchable
xjchick99 3 years ago
wow, fucking nice work man :D
motoman959 3 years ago
how do you know your avoidence? o.0
Monstring 3 years ago
in general you add up your dodge oarray and chance to be missed.
Icon228 3 years ago
Its the balance druid debuff, it gives 5 + chance to miss for illidan, its explained in another video. ;)
gamecompany 3 years ago
hes keeping agro bc everyone else is watching theres...if theey get 2 close they stop attacking...and nice good dude best dodge roguee iv seen haha
JBPlecotus 3 years ago
how the hell r u keeping aggro?
Shadowdemon87 3 years ago
nobody needs to heal him
TheFirstWoWPlayer 3 years ago
yes but how is he keeping aggro and they do need to heal him cause of spell damage taken
Shadowdemon87 3 years ago
he probably debuffed blessing of salvation
cvega88 3 years ago
nice well done
warfang222 3 years ago
takes on lllidan his self well done m8
lhvljhcfdfv 3 years ago
Nice vid but if you realy are cyknate your achievement fade away. You just tell us every moron with no education can farm that's all. I like the part "you wish you could be me with my creativity, so give it the fuck up, shut the fuck up, and continue your pathetic life of not getting laid" Well you realy need to spend alot of time to farm for the avoidance gear witch btw can be found on the net. What i want to say here is keep your mouth shut you ruin what you manage to accomplice.
smokingmac 3 years ago
How are you maintaining agro?
What rotations are you using?
alerix123 3 years ago
wad happens to illidan in wotlk will he be buffed to lvl 80? that will be btr for the game
dincr 3 years ago
drops pl0x?
statik40 3 years ago
lol omg he must had a VERY good healers!
Mattrix95 3 years ago
he's dodging and parrying practically every hit.
SilntStabber 3 years ago
whoa, what addons are those? does anyone know? i want them. ;-)
jrdacruz 3 years ago
lol its hard enough for T6 geared tanks to down him! GZ on making history!! BTW is this the smae guy who tanked mother?
statik40 3 years ago
He has 102% dodge. He is not even getting hit.
Dave222122 3 years ago
oh thats odd because i thought the dodge cap was 95%
statik40 3 years ago
yeah, but you have parry and misses in there, he has 102.4 AVOIDENCE
antiblue1013 3 years ago
Any team good enough to get this far in the first place will be able to handle the threat issues. Not to mention you pretty much free up a healer spot. :)
Ricecook 3 years ago
We just did this with our guild on Frostmourne Alliance :D
Threat was a bit of an issue, and so we got an extra phase of demons, but other than that it was really smooth!
I had the job of keeping scorbid sting up on illidan at all times :P Was interesting to see!
stabo1234 3 years ago
No, the Rogue still is putting out around 1200 dps, which is about 750 tps. Good Enough.
frostypyro99 3 years ago
I was just wondering if the rogue would have an aggro problem as in holding it. and to that effect the rest of the raid would have to hold back their dps. even with salv and buff and such. and also if the raid has to hold back their dps eventually wouldn't the boss enrage? just wondering some of my guildies have been talking about rogue tanks.
hergrandholyness 3 years ago
The song sucks, good vid though.
Skootchiekinz 3 years ago
good job
sschenkerr 3 years ago
hahaha i loled so much with the illidan in start saying you are not prepared hahah
adefigeteapodonapate 3 years ago
wtf to the argument under me.. *Walks away silently*
xsdamagesx 3 years ago
Oh haha. Didn't notice she posted her raid buffed dodge stats. Well, my point still stands; changing out her parry trinket for the dodge/defense trinket from BT would put her at about 78.8%; replacing all her blue gems with epic gems would give her an additional 24 agility. Modify with kings and 15% more agility from talents, that is 30 more agility, which puts her over the 80% mark. And still, she doesn't have the best tanking gear in the game; pants gloves gun bracers shoulders could be uped
magicalhats15 3 years ago
Actually, i don't have imp agility totem/imp mark on my private server, so i suppose she could be at 80 without upgrading any gear. But getting epic gems and having the improved buffs would put her above 80% even without improved gear.
magicalhats15 3 years ago
Unbuffed on armory this rogue has 60.2% chance to dodge. Replace her parry trinket with the tanking trinket from BT, that goes up to 62.5%. With agility food, scroll of agility, imp mark, imp agility totem, kings, and an agility potion, and she has about 78% to dodge. Kings alone would add a very large amount of that. Replace her blue gems with epic ones, get one or two pieces of sunwell gear, and she tops 80%.
How do i know? I'm on a private server testing out her gear iwth upgrades.
magicalhats15 3 years ago
Ok everyone Matthewm is correct you cant get over 80% dodge raiting on a rogue untill WoLK comes out so no more arguing who ever thinks they have more they are retarded!!! and thats PERIOD.... No more talking about this subject!
WoWgeek22 3 years ago
He was buffed everyone he posted his stats when he was buffed.... and he was uncrushable/untouchable with his melee advodiance or w/e... And the way he keeps aggro is the damage he does and how fast he/she does. (sorry for calling you a he if your a she)... Good job!!
WoWgeek22 3 years ago
yeah i know that he can't get hit by melee... I new that from reading the start... But some guy is claiming he has 100% dodge Which you can't get due to it being nerfed...
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago
i believe his name is Gaeowyn....but if you looks hes in PvP gear with only like 560 agi...could be someone else tho
csoulje 3 years ago
ffs...i dont even know whats going on with all the damn addons
allusersaretaken 3 years ago
But how do he keep threat?
Zoilas666 3 years ago
i dont suppose someone could post the rogue's gear so we could see how he achieved 1250 agility, etc. thanks.
jszczepaniak 3 years ago 2
Lol we played around with it, once your past the 100% avoidence its GG fro mthere, Even the Shear's do zilch.
<3 to a fellow Rogue.
cyknate 3 years ago
Hmm max is 80% dodge gg
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago 2
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wrong. retard.
cyknate 3 years ago
80% is max... at 70 You can't get anymore then 80 now... WHy do you think he doesn't have 100% dodge? Noob
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago
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Your stupid as shit.
really are.
91 dodge on my rogue :)
cyknate 3 years ago
91 dodge thats not 80% dodge nub... Oh btw why are you typing like a retard? And How do you now that i'm stupid?
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago
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Ok you fucktard dumbass.
91.72% Dodge.
Get lost you fucking dbag.
Dumbass budget geared retarded in s1 I bet.
cyknate 3 years ago
Dude he's a rogue idiot!!! and not he's not in S1 he's not in one piece of PvP
WoWgeek22 3 years ago
LOLOWNED>
Mathewm88888888888 or w/e is a freakin retarded who needs to just stfu and know his place. Dumb kiddo.
cyknate 3 years ago
Hey cyknate Why do you always "Enter" In the middle of talking? Is that suppose to make you smart? Or just make you look like you have a clue to what your saying...?
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago
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Go back to blowing your mom and zero knowledge of wtf goes on, maybe when you have some gear and see what its like to have some real stats, you can enter this conversation, until then, shut the fuck up, you dont know shit, you dumbass used tampon.
cyknate 3 years ago
Haha, your really funny... So what you call me me a used tampon on the internet? What does my world of warcraft character have to do with this? I don't play rogues, I play a mage. Unlike you who doesn't read the patch notes but maybe if you can stop being a brain dead idiot and maybe Look up the dodge cap...
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago
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shut up you dumb fucking retard already.
You wrong. Your stupid.
Go fist your mom as your dad shits on your face and then smeeres it all your face as you eat his ass you fucking dildo.
cyknate 3 years ago
Ok, Brain dead idiot read WoWgeek comment, I bet you don't even know what we are talking about? You are just calling me a "Dumb fuck" And lying about wow chars who is probably not even 70 yet. And look what you said "Go fist your mom as your dad shits on your face and then smeeres it all your face as you eat his ass you fucking dildo." Sounds like someone was sexually abused when they where little!
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago
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Get lost retard, you already lost.
Dumbass nigger.
cyknate 3 years ago
Hey dude wait till your balls drop, Before you act tough on the internet what are you a 11 year old racist asshole who thinks hes tough. Oh btw you wrote dumb ass wrong. Dumb shit.
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago
Oh you won? So your still a retard...
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago
hahahahah, I love it, only people who bust our grammar remarks are the ones with no creativity of a comeback.
Your a fucking retard, stop talking to me. You're no where near my level, great name, a bunch of 8's after you name, real creative you special ed fuck up. So far you manage to repeat everything I saw, which just shows you wish you could be me with my creativity, so give it the fuck up, shut the fuck up, and continue your pathetic life of not getting laid and being an embarrassment.
cyknate 3 years ago
Woah i love people who comment on creativity, you know what i love is how you just call me names with out telling me how your right how someone can achieve 100% dodge when 80% is the cap. Oh I'm engaged. I'm done talking to people who have no life and just flame all day. Oh And i forgot to mention i no longer play world of warcraft.
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago
Racist :O /cry
loboe1118 3 years ago
I know that but with 1250 agi at 70 thats 80% dodge max...
matthewm888888888888 3 years ago
oha o0 ^^ very nice
Nuslila 3 years ago
WTF_===???? GZ!!! Nice lol omg:O:P
radonite90 3 years ago
dude u rule...
/bow
btw, what is ur ingame nick, i would like to check ur gear on armory
croatialines 3 years ago
Omg, omg omg, warriors/paladins/druids shaming themselvs in corner ... xD, You guys pwned blizzard...
kasjak88 3 years ago
utterly amazing. u guys rock
bulbangs 3 years ago
what causes the cheat death halfway through the fight? I didn't see any buffs drop.
paj006 3 years ago
Sub was his spec, for the extra AGI.
AnThOnY891 3 years ago
This is almost as cool and the paly solo'ing Kazzak back in the day.
heavyq 3 years ago
do you got the combat specc or?
spix93 3 years ago
now rogues r gonan be nerfed again :D -_-
Maegus2 3 years ago
insane
Maegus2 3 years ago
wow
Vwashk 3 years ago