Will be moving to france in the next couple of months but what an idiotic law!
How can they ban something they have no understanding on?
A burqa does not carry any message to extremists nor does it condemn acts of terrorism?
Why are crucifixes not banned? They are showing more of a symbol then a piece of clothing!
A burqa is not a uniform?! I think someone is misunderstanding the difference between political and personal choice, Soldiers are made to wear uniforms for political reason!
I can't understand why they feel the need to do this, I understand a long time ago in history killing was done in the name of religion but surely we need to move forward and let the past go...
As nature worship is my religion, my uniform is nakedness. Public laws prohibit my full expression of this preference in public. Extremes of dress have always been illegal in public, so Muslims need to stop expecting special treatment/exceptions to our laws. It's bad enough that government schools permit the bending of their uniform laws to pacify the sick mentality that wants tiny girls to cover up their hair and limbs in all public places.
FRANCE, I am very proud of you that you took a stand. This is so much more than a simple choice of clothing. WAKE UP! This is France saying YOU ARE ON OUR SHORES AND YOU WILL LIVE BY OUR LAWS AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN GO BACK TO WHATEVER GOD-FORSAKEN DESSERT THAT YOU CRAWLED OUT OF! and if it had been done in Norway and in Sweden those people those natives of their countries might still have a place to call home! Economic catastrophe is these countries supporting them on welfare!
FREEDOM people! If a woman WANTS to wear a Burka it is her RIGHT to do so. The role for government to play is to also ensure that should she NOT want to wear the Burka she can do so without fear for her well being... i.e. if hubby abuses her because of not wearing it hubby gets clubbed upside the head by the law. Of course the woman must allow for viewing of her face for proper identification purposes by proper authorities should the need arise.
So would you apply the ame rule to kkk outfits, nazi outfits worn by facists, how about rape niggers t shirts?
What intelligent peoepl do is look to what is connected with said outfit, and you have very sexist, mysogonistic, asggressive dominaerring, repressive attiudes andthe more woemn are covered up the pow confident islamic fantatics get with attacks on uncovered girls, gays etc
so its liek gang uniforms or football shirts where you get houliganisim
No amount of exposure to witnessing these alien ghosts can diminish their insufferable gloom-provoking and alarming aspect. What service to the emancipation of women does this garb promote, and how does it improve the well-being of humanity in general?
@wilkseyboy if the Muslims left these shores than a major catastrophe will be witnessed by you an economic catastrophe
Look what happened in Holland when 5k Sudanese left that country after years of racial economic and housing abuse dished out by the Dutch. The country and area they went to was visited by a Dutch Minister to take them all back due to a major economic breakdown they all told him that they no longer care about Holland. That place where they are staying is prospering.
it's woman be gentle with them let them wear the burka, let them wear nothing more than bakini, let them insult all of the evil that man has ever caused in military history.
who are you to judge YOU FUCKTARDS ---you are not woman !
tears come falling from my eyes, i stand up tall shouting E E EDL will any woman who is sick of evolutionists, jews, christians and muslims please join the EDL .
Anyone who wants to play the freedom of religious card, this is not sited in the quran for them to wear. This is a cultural belief shared by men who can't control their boners so they cover women up. Many muslims i know agree that the burka is not islam and is something not to be tolerated.
congratulations on your freedom to choose any clothing you wish, except a burka, i suppose. Congratulations also, on being completely oblivious to how fundamentally flawed it is for a democracy to proscribe private dress.
For anyone offended by France banning the burkha=TOUGH!
It`s they`re country, they`re laws...DEAL WITH IT!
If only other European countries would follow suit and get this medevil, women oppressing piece of shit out of our lands for good along with all the other Muslim extremist lunatics hell bent on bombing our asses back to the stone ages in the name of Allah! Europe will be a far safer place to live for us all!
Muslim countries arrest people everyday for what they are wearing. Why don't people complain about that? Christians can't build church or openly preach or wear what they want to so why should muslims be allowed to do what tyhey want to in a society that doesn't wear garb like muslims? They have double standards. Muslims have no rights to complain when they are told to wear or that they can't build a mosque. They can go to a muslim country if they want that. I support the EDL and always will.
@Keithava People DO complain about how people are treated in middle east, but when people live in the west, they should be allowed to wear whatever they want as long as they don't cause harm to others. If a muslim lives in the west, wearing a burqa, and doesn't advocate violence or partake in any of it, then why punish them? Sure, by wearing the burqa they're supporting a violent religion, but hey, freedom of speech!
Here is my point. Muslims should be free to wear what ever they want anytime, any place. But if I went to a muslim country and my wife wanted to wear mini skirts or some other skimpy outfit what would happen? Would they accept this? If I wanted to build a church in a muslims country would they let me? I don't think so on either one. But muslims come into our country and demand this or that but we can't do what we want in their country. You have to do what the country wants you to do.
@Keithava So... it's okay to be a raging hypocrite? Just because muslims in Saudi Arabia won't allow christians to walk around in a short skirt doesn't justify actions to treat muslims the same way in Europe! People SHOULD be allowed to wear short skirts in Saudi Arabia as much as people SHOULD be allowed to wear burqas in Europe.
Muslims who demand other people act a certain way are wrong, but that doesn't justify a burqa ban.
Do you really call the burqa clothing? This is the most insulting thing there is. You are not living in a muslim country, when if France you do as the French do. When you talk to a person in this garb you don't even know who you are talking to. I wouldn't call a mask a piece of clothing. All you people are doing is trying to make something that is dumb as hell, Good. You can fool some idiots into believing this way but you guys are the idiots if you believe that the French people want this crap
@Keithava mask/clothing, who fucking gives a shit? Regardless of which one it is, it's wrong to ban burqas. YOU are offended by burqas. Fuck YOU for thinking offense is justification for outlawing something. You don't outlaw things that offend you, you outlaw violence and coercion!
MUSLIM WOMEN HAVE TO DRESS LIKE GHOSTS BECAUSE MUSLIM MEN CANNOT CONTROL THEIR SEXUAL URGES AND START ABUSING THEM? I ADMIRE WESTERN MEN WHO RESPECT THEM ANYWAY THEY DRESS AND IF THEY DON'T THE LAW FALLS ON THEM, NOT IN THE MUSLIM WORLD WHERE A WOMAN ARE ALWAYS WRONG "FOR PROVOKING MEN". DO YOU THINK IT IS FAIR THAT WOMEN HAVE TO DRESS LIKE NINJAS TO BE RESPECTED? WHY DON'T YOU TEACH MUSLIM MEN TO RESPECT YOU, MUSLIM WOMEN, WHATEVER YOU WEAR? MODESTY IS WITHIN
A very high proportion of French Muslims are in the underclass, that segment of the population that relies not so much on education and work as on welfare and predatory activities. Violence ranges from rape (95% of rapists are Muslim), murder (85% of murderers are Muslim), theft and looting of cars (58% committed by Muslims) and street fighting to assault on teachers and civil servants... source: w w w . masada2000 . o r g/islam . h t m l (remove spaces from the link)
Why anyone would be proud to worship a dirty old paedophile prophet is a mystery to me. Let's face it, if Muhammed were alive today and if he visited your or my country he would be arrested and tossed into jail. Jerry Lee Lewis got away with marrying his 13 year old cousin, but an eight year old bride! You've gotta be shittin' me.
@shafiqpeer Yea, right, And monkeys will fly out my ass too. Muslims have no free choice. It is natural for muslims to lie all the time, we all know that. You can't even leave your religion or say anything negative about it without fear of death.
@Keithava Hello Keithava, If some muslims are misbehaving, its not right from their part and I'm totally against their misbehaviour. But I am free :) And now if you want to say that i'm lying, you are again free and I cant force u to say otherwise. Have a nice time my friend. Take care.
@shafiqpeer You are not free. The religion you belong to makes you a slave to it. You can't even think for yourself, no wonder why muslims still want to live in the sixth century, they are brainwashed into believeing that sharia law is good for them. Try speaking out against islam or try leaving it. Then you will see how free you are. And it is a French Government not a Saudi Government in France and they can say what people wear if it is dangerous to it's citizens.
@Keithava dear Keithava, coming to the same point if some muslims do not want to progress then its them to be blamed, not islam. I am not surprised that Prof Yoshihide Kozai said "So, by reading [the] Quran and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe.” For security then they have the right to ask to remove. Just covering one's head is so dangerous to society? not wearing almost anything is more dangerous. Peace my friend
If the muslims want sharia then that would fine but then they turn around and force it on non muslims. Sharia needs to be stopped, it is incompatable with any culture and the burqa is a show of power and has no religious meaning. Stop islam from taking over. Muslims don't like to look at women who don't wear a bag on their heads, we don't want to look at women who do, it's our country so leave and go to a country that loves islam, we don't.
@Keithava Wow I guess it was all bs when they said Europe is liberal and democratic. Thank god i live in a republic, where we at least try to tolerate different cultures.
@Keithava Wow, how dumb can you be? Obviously it's horrible when muslims try to force others into respecting their religions. I am a participant of Draw Muhammad Day myself. However, Telling them they can't wear a burqa is nothing more than hypocritical. If you want them to tollerate our beliefs and to allow us to say whatever we want about Islam, then we have to let them worship whoever they want however they want as long as it's not coercive (not all muslims use coercion).
This is the way a muslims would answer, "respect my muslim religion and let us wear a bag on our heads but we won't respect you at all" I like how muslims don't even know what their quran teaches. Muslims can not respect any other religion at all. And there is no requirement in the quran for women to wear this crap, it is just a "in your face infidel" thing, we are better that you. I will tolerate muslims and respect their beliefs when they get rid of sharia law. you are the dumb one.
@Keithava Okay, what does ANY of that have to do with burqas? You're giving the government the power to tell people how to dress. That is even more pathetic than sucking some strangers dick in a back alley for crack money. You will give the government the ability to control what people wear? Let's not forget to mention that you're assuming all muslims are violent murderers. You're taking away human rights, to punish people whom you have no evidence is a danger.
@ComboTheCa*facepalm* So wrong it's not even funny. Burqas don't kill people, people kill people. Stop blaming these issues on burqas, they're caused by violent people who are supported by an oppressive government.
You're evidence is fallacious, you're blaming burqas when the problem is corrupt government and people.
@NoNameC68 Burkas segregate girls from boys and muslims girls from non muslims so all they ever hear is brainwashing from family and cericvs, the sexaul segregation creates sexaul frustration and withtou dating, love and affection msulism have these needs channeled into relgionsn fanatiacisim loving a death cult god and lerics whib preach the wonders of violent sharia law and the honour in martredom and how muslsims should kill the dirth slutty kaffairs etc so does lead to violece
@ComboTheCat Then ban the corrupt,coercive, actions instead of the banning the burqas.As long as someone can wear a burqa without harming someone else, which most muslims in western countries do, then there's no justification to ban them. If burqas cause honor killings to happen in Europe, you ban honor killing, not the burqa.Otherwise you still need to ban the Quran and Islam, as well as block internet access to Islam sites.
Then ban the corrupt,coercive, actions instead of the banning the burqas.
The burkas cuases and leads to the corrupt,coercive, actions
so get rid of the burkas, muslims woemn no longer can be identified as muslsim, no more barriers so mix with anyone else realise faults in islam and mnix with others.
The burkas is like a wall so all they hear is the currption and thats hwo the curruption gains power. and numbers.
@ComboTheCat That's an immoral way to handle the situation and it's foolish to think things will go that smoothly. Not to mention, you don't give two shits about these women, you're just afraid that somehow this burqa thing will spread in a "free" country. Just because something is a solution doesn't mean it's the RIGHT solution. Sacrificing freedom is like shooting yourself in the foot to fix a problem.
Solutions are the most effective ways of dealing with something, the woemn dont think so wont get sympathy till they start applying brains till thin like robots
You need to separate them from their cult to deprogram them
@ComboTheCat Killing people because they aren't wearing a burqa is horrible. However, throwing people in jail because they are wearing one is pretty damn bad as well. It's hypocritical, especially when the people you're arresting aren't involved in honor killings.
What you fail to see is that the muslims are trying to take over France and other countries and this is just one way for them to do it. It is not so much the clothes but what they mean. It is a "You can't tell us what to do but we will tell you what you can't do" And they all might do honor killing but they have the mindset due to their so called religion. That is why they don't denounce Hamas and other terrorist and won't speak out against terrorism.
@Keithava They don't have to speak out against terrorism. It's horrible when they don't, but it's not something they should be forced to do or punished for not doing. The government should never have totalitarian rule over what someone wears. If you want to fix the problem, give people property rights. Then, if a shop owners doesn't want to serve someone for some reason, they don't have to. If most people are against burqas, surely most wouldn't allow them on their property.
You are a very irresponsible perosn... the world would be awful if folk thought like you as then no police force, no healht and safety, nobody stoppign anyone hurting or harming, nobody stopping baby rape and murder etc
@ComboTheCat The government is supposed to protect people from coercive crimes that harm people and their property as well as uphold contracts and uphold private property agreements. Wearing a burqa? Victimless crime. Raping a baby, the baby is the victim. Big difference.
1 person wear burka no big deal, an entire school, all muslims girls where it the muslim boys then think they have a right to attack muslsim not conforming, fathers & brothers then start muddering daughters who date, muslsims only listern to celrsics and girls never hear or communicate with outsiders deemed kufairs then they start on others.
Then you have your victims. Likt hitler was powerfless till uniformed followers
@NoNameC68 Difference is you have to see things in context ie burkas lead to segregation, then those segregated folk only get to listen to brainwashing psychopath who turn them the same. You create theis mindset where muslsim have no brain they just listen to clerics and book or fami;ly with no independant intelligetn thoguht. the burka is a key part on all the nasty violenct stuff, look how the system works
@NoNameC68 lets use a computer game to explain this... you appraoch is to just shoot the aliens comming down... you do this you do it forever or till you run out of lives.
My apprach is to target the monster generators, hit those no more monsters, you get nowwhere tryign to attack a castle with a bow and arrow, remove the walls and you can get at ther enemy.
you need to get rid of the burkas so muslsim woemn mix then the currption is diluted and looses power
@ComboTheCat The generators you are taking is the freedom to wear whatever you want. Therefor, you'll be stupid to take them out. You don't sacrifice freedom. You keep avoiding the fact you're sacrificing freedom. It's this "most of us don't wear burqas so I don't care" mentality.
@NoNameC68 Sorry youb are not using your brain... you see things in micro terms I see them in macro, look these words up. You need to look at the bigger picutre on where burkas leads, cause and effect.
Like you enforce crash hements, stop children havign the freedom to carry uzis, stop peoepl dealig crack to children, make rape illegal etc
@ComboTheCat What I don't understand is, if you're willing to sacrifice freedom, why the fuck would you ban burqas since they're used as a tool of oppression, coercion, and violence? Why wouldn't you ban the Quran instead? Because the Quran obviously plays a vastly bigger role than burqas when it comes to oppression and coercion! Even if tradings your freedoms was acceptable, why half ass it and ban something that doesn't cause problems in the west?
@NoNameC68 yes ban the quran, mosques , madresses especailly as brain wash kids
But you see the nurka makes muslsims stand out and show power and numbers and how they are separate. if muslsim did not behave the way they do peoepl would be ok about mosques ... Seeign how muslsim think and behave when reading the queran , clearly it should be banned.
Burkas segregate girls so all they hear is the quran and to stop them mixing and dating non muslsims leaving the muslsim men alone
@ComboTheCat It's the woman's choice to be a part of that religion. If a woman wants to seperate herself from society and show her dedication to her religion, she should have that right. I'm sure there are muslims out there who don't advocate murder. I'm sure some muslims respect other people's freedom. We can't stereotype all muslims, which is why you ban coercive acts. Because you can't ban something merely because it has the potential of leading to coercion.
@NoNameC68 The owmen dont know anythign out side their soiety as the burka is like a wall, remove the wall she mixes and can see there is a better life outside islams,
@ComboTheCat 1. You can't prove what you said for every muslim woman living in the west. 2. It's not the government's job to tell people how to act. 3. If you want to convince muslim women that they're better off without burqas or Islam, do so in a non-coercive manner! Don't FORCE them.
@NoNameC68 Its not just the woemn its how the burkas make muslsim males act.
Governments tell peeopl how to act all the time... stoppign rape, robbery, cost cuttign leading to dangerous acts, stop drink driving, rape, peadophila, children carrying guns to school etc.
Its not just the effect on the girl wearing it, its the mentality it creates in all muslsim minds how is segregates. This leads to fantiasicism and violence to woemns making muslim males hurt girls for uncovering etc
@ComboTheCat You listed coercive actions. What you gave me were crimes that had victimes. A burqa ban would result in women being arrested for wearing clothing, a victimless crime.
Go look how hitler came to power due to folk like your who stoped folk like me stopping him... the uniforms of the brownshirts, the segregationaist attiudes seen it all before. Hitler used similar tactivcs then it was too late.
its not the burka its what goes with it... Why the fuck dont you connect the dots andf look at patterns
@ComboTheCat You don't ban A that leads to B when A is non-coercive, you ban actas of coercion. If men abuse women they go to jail. If A leads to B, then B leads to prison. Look, no problem. As for the Hitler thing, it wasn't clothes that made people follow him. That's just fucking stupid. That's literally the equivalent to banning shaved heads and boots as a way to prevent no-nazism.
@ComboTheCat Yeah, I'd be shot, which is already illegal. That's like banning mini skirts and saying "walk around in a mini skirt in the ghetto, you'll get rapes. Mini skirts cause rape, therefore mini skirts should be outlawed."
@NoNameC68 MIni skirts are not part of a huge brainwashing organisation, thy dont cause a sexist attiude, non miniskirt wearers are not trying to take over everything, etc
Agin why dont you look to why the burka is worn, why its important, where did the idea to wear t come from, why is it worn etc?
@Keithava Just because some muslims are dangerous doesn't mean they are all dangerous. To punish an individual, you must have evidence that they are a danger or have committed acts of coercion in the past. Banning burqas is merely an attempt to drive away muslims because the government can't find evidence that they're a threat (evidence must be found for each individual muslim, you can't just say "muslims are dangerous, because that's stereotyping).
@Keithava Instead of banning the burka, France should ban Sharia Law. Oh wait, Sharia Law literally doesn't hold up in French courts, so Sharia Law isn't an issue in France. Sharia Law only protects those who live under governments that also follow Sharia Law. Any muslims under other governments are not protected, and therefore must be treated under current laws under their governments, which means innocence until proven guilty.
That's one way as to how these bans are hypocritical.
@Keithava In the most literal sense, you are demanding that governments arrest people for wearing cloth on their bodies. That's pathetic. I don't care what muslims do, you don't ban clothing. If you want to fix the problem, ban the coercive actions (which are already illegal).
I'm sick to death of seeing things from tight-lipped, condescending, mama's little chauvinists.
THIS WOMAN LOOKS LIKE A MOBILE TENT. WHAT A STUPID WAY TO BELIEVE IN GOD. SHE COVERS HERSELF LIKE A GHOST AND THEN SHE CLAIMS THAT "SHE ONLY WANTS PEOPLE TO SEE HER MIND, NOT HER BODY". HER MIND? THE ONLY THING WE SEE IS A BLACK BAT AND SHE MAKES HERSELF VERY NOTICEABLE. MODESTY, DEVOTION IS SOMETHING WITHIN, NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO SHOW BY A RIDICULOUS, NOTICEABLE WAY OF DRESSING. IF SHE DOES IT OUT OF MODESTY? WHY CAN'T MAN DRESS LIKE THAT TOO? DON'T MEN NEED TO SHOW MODESTY TOO?
mohommad rasool allah is a child fucker...he fucked ayesha when she was 9 years old...go check in Al-tabari....islam is a man-made religion...mohommad (madar chod) wrote the quran
Interestingly even slavery as practiced by 'Christian' lands often involved non-Christians at the ownership and transport level - such as Jews for example.
I think religion was irrelevent to the whole thing actually (As irrelevent as Christ to Inquisition) except that acting as a 'group identifier' the enslavement and similiar mistreatment of those of one's own faith was usually proscribed.
We tend to be capable of doing worse things to those different to us.
The popular British version of their history in the slave trade goes something like this.....
Beginning: We abolished it, Wilberforce was the hero - we set out to stop evil Spanish slavers on the high seas (THE END).
Quite amusing and some of them actually believe it.
A word to the wise, even when the Brits stopped a Spanish slaveship after THEY had abolished it, they then seized the 'cargo' and sold them to one of their colonies as indentured labourers!
“The unbelievers are your inveterate foe.” Sura 4:101.
"Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve." Sura 8:72.
"So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam." Sura 8:39.
“And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah” Sura 2:193
“And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter..." Sura 2:191
This video is very vague and discriminatory First off if the lack of individualism is a crime then as they implied all military organizations should be disbanded Second of all, muslim clothing is just that muslim as in the religion not a political uniform Is a christian any less of a member of his country just because he is christian I also agree with what has already been said about the fact that wrong doers are already punished why is it necessary to discriminate against a mostly docile group
@noone4772 Uniforms, by definition, indicate membership of a particular institution and one's status within that institution. Dress codes are cultural. The Hijab is both; it originates from the Arab slaving culture and symbolizes it. Islam originates from that same culture and comes with a complete system of law called Sharia. Islamic Sharia is unashamedly supremacist, separatist and extremely violent. Its advocates regard it the duty of all Muslims to spread Sharia by any means whatsoever.
Oh, MAN. How I wish they would ban it all around the world. What a better world it would be to see woman having indiviudality instead of being opressed by Islam men.
@NewYearAustralia2009 WHAT THE FUCK? BAN IT AROUND THE WORLD. Get it through your thick skull, making it illegal to wear a burqa is GOVERNMENT OPPRESSION you dipshit imbecilic! It should be illegal for ANYONE to force ANYONE to wear a burqa, but if a woman chooses to wear a burqa, it's HER choice.
we must do the same here in Canada before it's too late as most of these women breed without conscience. the horrible garment is offensive, disgusting, probably quite unsanitary and it is simply not our culture...a total ban is needed ASAP
you sexy muslim ladies , you wear your islamic burka in public
and i'll wear my superman clothing in public : )
much love to you sexy islamic ladies .
there is nothing wrong with halal eaters eating pig meat and cow equally for they are both the farmers best ally , can you sexy islamic burka ladies see why islam is atheism that science and historians have proven islams allah , adam eve and mohammad never existed : )
no hard feelings my ladies but young children must grow up !
@ATouchOfMagic88 In Europe women have the right to wear what ever they want---there is no European dress code. If you really understood the concept of freedom you would realize that issue is freedom of choice. By making it an offense to wear a burka you are in fact no different than countries that make it an offense not to wear one.
Admittedly, I don't like them either but it doesn't give me the right to force it on women who for what ever reason choose to wear one.
The burka is not political attire---it's religious. And in a free country, it IS an woman's personal choice. If a country like France bans the burka, it takes that choice away and they become just as unfree in this respect as any Islamic nation that forces women to wear it.
Banning the burka and making it compulsory are two sides of the same coin since both remove the right of choice.
@sweetsweatyfeet Don't be so stupid. The burka is a political symbol as indeed is the system that would insist that she wear it as a mark of her membership or compliance. Sharia is oft cited as the source of authority to enforce the wearing of burkas. Sharia is a totalitarian, supremacist ideology with a thin veneer of 'religiosity' thrown in. Islam is a political religion which aims to spread itself by any means whatsoever and always by violence.
@ritchloui It matters not whether you consider the burka a religious or political symbol. You state in your objections that a woman MUST wear it as a mark of her membership or compliance. So how then is this objectionable?---because it's enforced by compulsion---that is why it is wrong.
What you are defending however is not liberation from authoritarianism but more forced compulsion against women who openly choose to wear it in a country where they already had the freedom of choice not to.
@sweetsweatyfeet The fact is that Sharia is a supremacist, totalitarian ideology and we, the advanced multi-cultural, multi-racial civilisations of the world are getting VERY fed up with Islamist whinging and moaning when they can't get the special treatment the think they deserve. We know they target women and dress them so that they can beat them without it showing. You are a fool if you think otherwise.
@ritchloui Your opinions of Islam are really beside the point and so are mine. We are talking about France where women already have the right NOT to wear one and NOT to be beaten. French law is completely on a woman's side if she does not want to practice Sharia. That is sufficient. If a woman wear's one---it's because she wants to for personal and religious reasons--that's why so many are protesting. A who woman freely chooses to wear a burka has the right and she violates no one's else's.
@sweetsweatyfeet The burka is about Sharia - the totalitarian legal system that the Islamists want imposed throughout the world. Along with the burka, FGM, intitutionalised violence and persecution of all non-Muslims - you know, the system that has caused and was designed to cause misery and destitution for non-Muslims and ALL women throughout EVERY country that imposes Sharia. It is a totalitarian POLITICAL system with a thin veneer of 'religion' based on the nomadic Arab slaving culture.
@ritchloui Special treatment? are you fucking kidding - being free to wear a type of dress is not special treatment, its a basic human right. Who the fuck are the government telling people what not to wear - its actually absurd. Im so proud to be from the UK where a law like that just wouldn't happen. We obviously have a much more advanced notion of freedom.
@TheSelfishAltruist Aha. So, those women in Sharia run countries are 'free' to wear what they want? LOL. You are a fool. When are you going to worry? When they are stoned in public or hanged or mutilated? When might you spot a problem with women having their faces hidden as a mark of belonging to a totalitarian fascist cult? It is NOT a matter of freedom, but a matter of rejecting slavery! Get a bloody grip,
@ritchloui There are already laws against people owning people, or beating them..... this is about freedom to dress ones self. If France really cared about that, they would have made a law saying 'a husband cannot coerce his wife to wear specific clothing'.
The law should not be used as a tool to show your dislike to something, in this case... muslims. Lets not pretend this is about protecting women, this is a bout racism against muslims.
@TheSelfishAltruist You are very confused. The problem is not Muslims; they are human beings just like everyone else. The problem is Islamic Sharia. In the 57 or so 'Islamic' countries Sharia is imposed on both Muslim and non-Muslim. Furthermore Islamists wish to impose Sharia everywhere. I bet the Iranians weren't expecting what would happen when they toppled the Shah and Mullahs took over. Egypt has fallen to them too. You'd better wake up and smell the roses.
@ritchloui And how is that relevent to banning people from dressing a certain way? I think Sharia law is shit, and liberal law is more moral.
Liberal law is about freedom, and the irony is that by banning a burka, we are just as bad as sharia - it takes freedom and choice away from people for doing something that harms nobody. Its clothes for gods sake.
The Spiderman movie will neve be filmed in france, cause the actor will get arrested - its such a pathetic law. Its laughable.
@TheSelfishAltruist On the contrary, Islamic apologists and Sharia advocates wish to have Sharia imposed everywhere. Your own logic is almost Orwellian; the veil means freedom in a non-Sharia country. LOL. No it doesn't and it does not mean freedom in a Sharia country either.
@ritchloui I would repel Sharia law with violence if necessary. Western liberal law wins every time ethically, and morally - but by banning a burka, we are taking freedom... we are as bad as them.
We should take the higher ground and show Sharia advocates what freedom is all about. By taking freedom, we undermine our own credibility to tell others that they should have freedom as well.
@TheSelfishAltruist You appear to be completely unaware of just how Orwellian your own logic is; the burka is about freedom... give me a break. The burka is part of the necessary uniform for women within a slave culture. It serves to obliterate both female identity and, conveniently, also the many facial injuries and beatings they receive. The burka is NOT a matter of freedom in any Islamic country so don't kid yourself that all of a sudden it is so in a civilised country.
@ritchloui Who said the Burka was about freedom? I said the wearing of a item of clothing, is about freedom. I hate racists, but I respect their freedom to hold racist views and even say them openly. I hate religion, but I respect peoples freedom of religion and thought . Banning the burka is against freedom. It is unethical, and I oppose it.
France a civilised country? I think they may have dented that aspect of their credibility with this law.
@TheSelfishAltruist Presumably you would argue that wearing a swastika or Nazi uniform is merely matter of choice and to ban them 'is against freedom'. The burka is not a neutral item but a political symbol. Its origins are from the desert slaving culture of 7th century Arabia. Under Islamic Sharia, the legal code developed by the Arab slavers, the burka is enforced. If you are concerned about 'freedom' you might perhaps stop straining at a gnat whilst effortlessly swallowing a camel.
@ritchloui I think we've got to the heart of the problem! I find Nazism inherently evil, and im uncomfortable with people wearing the uniform, although I still think banning is too far (maybe a public oder offence if doing specifically to provoke)
I think we finally figured out whats going on here. You find Islam evil, so the symbol is evil. I find Islam the same as any other religion, so the symbol doesn't bother me.
@ritchloui I dont get your lasta analogy, are you saying I am wasting time on this burka issue? I dont believe I am. I believe in protecting minoritites as they are often the ones who experience more persecution.
We have lost an oppurtunity to take the higher ground, and have given another recruiting tool to the terrorists. You think offending islam will make us safer? you are mad.
Muslims are not, as they like to portray themselves, a race or an oppressed, peaceful minority. Islam is a totalitarian, fascist ideology that commits its followers to exterminating all other religions and unbelievers. Look at what has happened in EVERY country the Muslims have taken over. Lebanon was a Christian country only 30 years ago. France will have a Muslim majority within 25.
@ritchloui Muslims are individuals. They are clearly being targetted by this law, its not about security.. its about showing disdain to someones religion.
And I dont care if islam is a majority in france. if people want to become muslims, then its a free country and its their business -
Im non religious, and im just as concerned with christians dominating the political landscape as with muslims.
We have laws that target individiauls. If a muslim or anybody commits a crime, we punish.
@ritchloui Please explain to me why a muslim majority in a western nation is any different to a christian majority? The religions are equally stupid in my view, and equally condone immoral behaviour. Christians over the last 300 years have liberalised, and the Islamic world is also on that path if you actually look at Muslim countries.
For me its about liberalising, and of all the muslims I know, they are liberal in the way they view the world, and no the 'fascists' you talk off.
@TheSelfishAltruist The attempt by people born with the label 'Muslim' to liberalise their societies ended about 40 years ago. Since then they have witnessed a well financed drive to spread Wahabi Islam and the slaving ideology behind it. The Burka is a brand of this ideology. Slaving is the oldest form of human organisation and is central to Islam and the key to its success. Islamic Sharia, the slavers' legal code has no concept of a human; your rights differ as a believer or an infidel.
@TheSelfishAltruist That's good. The slavers are generally Saudi, Sudanese Arab, Somali, Northern Nigerian, Chadian. You probably don't get to meet many people from those countries. Anyone who advocates Sharia is ideologically supremacist. The burka in particular is a symbol of slavery whilst the hijab that is rapidly becoming a brand (it is not a Muslim requirement but a Brotherhood one). You might be surprised by the views your Muslim acquaintances hold.
@ritchloui And slavery has never been a system used by Christians? Handcuffs are also a symbol of slavery, should goths and punks who wear them also have them banned? some people were gimp suits which is a symbol of sexual submission, Should we ban those also?
@TheSelfishAltruist Yes, Christians did indeed engage in the slave trade. The Roman Church led the way. It was only when the RCC lost its iron grip that the possibility emerged of a more enlightened worldview. Nevertheless the Bible was frequently cited to defend slavery. The British American involvement in the trade is the BEST documented and most regretted. Yet it accounts for only 5% of the trans-Atlantic trade. The Islamists have NEVER regretted it as it is still central to their doctrine.
Lies, millions of blacks were sent across the Atlantic by the British - it went on for centuries, they dominated the trade all through the 18thC when it reached it's historical height. Also even after they abolished slavery they still trafficked in abducted indentured servants who were treated like slaves.
The Spanish and Portuguese were acting as a polity as a state - NOT as the Catholic Church.
@Parasmunt You need to read the Papal Bull of 1493 Partitioning the New World between Spain and Portugal before you dismiss its role. They knew very well that the New World was well populated and the Southern Continent was extremely wealthy. The RCC had no hesitation in 'giving' all of the land, possessions and people to the Spanish and Portuguese. The Portuguese slaughtered who they could find as they were already PROLIFIC slavers of Africans, whilst Spain turned on the inhabitants for slaves.
@ritchloui Regardless of it's pronouncements, the Vatican did not have authority over those countries... to set policies. The Archbishop of Canterbury was not responsible for British slavery either (though funnily enough unlike the Pope he and other bishops in England owned slaves as recent as the 19thC).
@Parasmunt The history of slavery in England is not particularly straightforward. It was abolished in the 11th century and then when the English got caught up in the longstanding trans-Atlantic slave trade founded by the Portuguese there were a number of legal battles because the law actually stated that slaves should be freed if the stepped onto English soil. I'm not surprised to hear that Churchmen were slave owners. After all the priests make a living out of preaching servitude to phantasms.
@Parasmunt We know the name of the FIRST British slaver, where he went, what he did and when. It wasn't until the late 16th century - ie nearly 100 YEARS after the Portuguese had been at it. The Portuguese were responsible for the VAST proportion of the Atlantic slave trade and continued it long after everyone else. Except of course the Muslims, who are STILL at it throughout Islamic Africa.
@ritchloui Yes but people are individuals, how can you just say 'the islamists never regretted it\ - you are just generalising 1 billion people. How on earth do you know? Did you poll all muslims, and even if you are right (which I severly doubt) this still does not justify violating someones freedom of how they dress.
@ritchloui The law should be there to protect our rights. Law should only oppress as a byproduct.e.g.I have a right to life so its illegal to harm me, or driving fast is dangerour, so I do not have the right to drive 100mph on a busy street. This law command that a person removes a piece of clothing - this is not a byproduct whereby this law is needed to protec the right of someone else, this law is a direct oppressive measure. It benefits nobody (unlike murder law). It is therefore unjust.
@ritchloui Liberal law is based on a very important principle, whereby human beings all have natural rights. Natural rights incilude right to happiness, property, freedom of expression etc.... This law clearly violates a natural freedom. Villating a freedom should only EVER happen when it i required to protect the freedom of somebody else.
This law is therefore against the principle of what democratic legal systems are about. I think France legislators should be ashamed of themselves
@ritchloui Liberal law is based on a very important principle, whereby human beings all have natural rights. Natural rights include right to happiness, property, freedom of expression etc.... This law clearly violates a natural freedom. Violating a freedom should only EVER happen when it is required to protect the freedom of somebody else.
This law is therefore against the principle of what democratic legal systems are about. I think France legislators should be ashamed of themselves
@TheSelfishAltruist I don't want to accuse you of being obtuse, but I think 'hoodies' are also banned, as wearing motorcycle helmets and balaclavas when entering public buildings. The 'burka' is a symbol of an extremist political movement, it is not a requirement of Islam but of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Arabian slaving culture. The burka itself is a violation of freedom and that is what it symbolizes; women's TOTAL servitude and the beatings she suffers. It is Orwellian to argue otherwise.
@ritchloui Hoodies or balaclavas in public buildings is banned for security reasons, that is irrelevant to this conversation.
For many muslims the burka is not a extremist symbol, so this a subjective fact based on opinion. I dont see the burka as a extreme symbol, and subjectively speaking I am correct as it is down to interpretation.
The burka is a piece of clothing and cannot inherently violate freedom.
Also many muslims believe it is a requirement, once again depends on interpretation.
@ritchloui Dont you have any concern at all that this measure is almost identical to what the Nazis did when they made Jews wear the star?
The similarities in these creeping anti-islamic steps across Europe, I find frankly disturbing. I blame it on the fact legislators now have never lived through war, and we are taking freedom for granted.
Its sad to be honest - Muslims make up a small % of the population yet receive so much disdain. A whole people just shat on like that.
@ritchloui I want you to explain to me how banning a piece of clothing, which some people perceive as a extreme symbol, preserves anyones freedoms? I have not heard any convincing argument thus far.
My liberal instincts screamed with rage the moment I heard about this law - it is wrong.
@TheSelfishAltruist Now you are being obtuse. The burka intentionally deprives a woman of any identity. Why? Because she is a woman, a slave. So in fact, that is ALL she is, not a person, not a human, not an individual just a featureless creature that affirms men's right to rape, and her own family to beat her and get away with it. Battered Muslimas need help - especially those from extremist families.
@TheSelfishAltruist Oh, and while you are so concerned about the right of French women to be shoved into shapeless sacks you might take a moment to think about a football match in Egypt with a gigantic banner saying: "One nation for a new holocaust". watch?v=JkNZjDM_FQI&feature=g-all-lik&context=G28a99c9FAAAAAAAACAA
You need to inform yourself about the ideology of these people. Egypt was once a Christian nation; where are they now? Fleeing for their lives.
@ritchloui Fundamentalism is a problem of all religions. Fundamentalist Christians were rampant through the middle ages, and some still to this day - but would you support the banning of a christian dress, perhaps a priests robe, or a monks hood?
@ritchloui Im not watching this video, its of no interest to me. I could show you a video of christians burning people alive in kenya if you want to.. but I undertsand its not the religion per se thats the issue, this is about politics. The government hasnt a right to get involved in peoples personal faith, and on top does not have the right to tell people to not dress a particualr way.
@TheSelfishAltruist Yes, Europe suffered a 600 year Inquisition by the Roman Church. The Arab people are now suffering an Islamic Inquisition. But you are too stupid to see it. You just think, oh it's about 'freedom' for women to be shoved into sacks. You are a moron.
@ritchloui Who said I wasn't concerned about religion? Im a atheist, and a humanist, and Im concerned about religious political power in the UK, and anywhere else. You think the solution to these problems is further marginalising muslims by clearly showing disdain for them by this sort of law?
I dont respond to insults - insults only fly when someone is getting frustrated as they know the other person is making valid points. I still see no justification for this law.
@TheSelfishAltruist I absolutely agree with you i have had this discussion with others and they look at me like if i'm some kind of idiot. They don't understand that this is usually the way democracy ends. It shows the capability of the government to impose its power on its citizen rather then the other way around. Making them slaves to the mob rather then free and equal individuals. All they see is a lifestyle different from there own so they believe they must eliminate it, not knowing...
@TheSelfishAltruist I salute Britain for its brilliant patience and restraint as madness befalls Europe. (typically more so now as the economic crises increases) I can only hope here in the states do the same. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER WW2 situation where we are putting citizens into camps because of our fears. This may seem small to many but this is Pandora's box in the flesh.
@KrasusDumat I think the current law makers take what they have for granted. The people who saw real oppression in WWII I think would be horrified by steps like this. I do think its a slippery slope to something horrible if we are not careful. The videos on u tube are shocking in their racism. Some of the comments talk of 'getting rid of muslims' etc. That guy in Norway is the extreme end of a serious problem in Europe - Islam is not the problem, but people's fear of Islam is.
@KrasusDumat History repeats itself. Recession causes rise in extremism. Who's the scapegoat this time for our misery? It was Jews in the 30s, Blacks in the 50s,60s then it was the Irish in the 80s for the UK, then it was gypsys, then immigrants, and now its Muslims. How people dont see this is beyond me.
@TheSelfishAltruist Because statistic backs it up, he's just one of them: /watch?v=Bm1yJMMUK_c
And take a look at the situation in England. People don't just invent stuff - muslims need to clean their own ranks to gain respect, instead, we see no muslims demostrating against sharia or terrorism... only for it. To the public, that is consent through silence.
@Northern85Star And as I said, so what if muslims do want sharia - its their right to hold an opinion - dont you agree?
If you dont agree with them, thats tough shit.
Our liberal constitution is not compatible with sharia, so even if they all wanted it (which I know is not true) its a moot point as it would never be implemented.
Will be moving to france in the next couple of months but what an idiotic law!
How can they ban something they have no understanding on?
A burqa does not carry any message to extremists nor does it condemn acts of terrorism?
Why are crucifixes not banned? They are showing more of a symbol then a piece of clothing!
A burqa is not a uniform?! I think someone is misunderstanding the difference between political and personal choice, Soldiers are made to wear uniforms for political reason!
questatalia1976 1 week ago
@questatalia1976 well acutally, crucifixes are banned in public schools.
cherrybomb91 1 week ago
@cherrybomb91 Really, I genuinely never knew that!
I can't understand why they feel the need to do this, I understand a long time ago in history killing was done in the name of religion but surely we need to move forward and let the past go...
questatalia1976 1 week ago
@questatalia1976 sorry to break it to you, but sadly many many people haven't moved forward, rather backward...i'm all for secularism..
cherrybomb91 1 week ago
@cherrybomb91 I could not agree with you more!
questatalia1976 1 week ago
That is a small step France,but there is a long way to go.Two thumbs up for France.
kelliwalters4u 2 weeks ago
@wilkseyboy Muslims dont hate Britain stop believing lies only muslim extremists aka scum of the earth hate britian and want to cause trouble
XxCYRAXANDERMACxX 2 weeks ago
As nature worship is my religion, my uniform is nakedness. Public laws prohibit my full expression of this preference in public. Extremes of dress have always been illegal in public, so Muslims need to stop expecting special treatment/exceptions to our laws. It's bad enough that government schools permit the bending of their uniform laws to pacify the sick mentality that wants tiny girls to cover up their hair and limbs in all public places.
fratermanix 3 weeks ago
cheers to france from canada, eliminate this degrading thing.
cptmuska 3 weeks ago
FRANCE, I am very proud of you that you took a stand. This is so much more than a simple choice of clothing. WAKE UP! This is France saying YOU ARE ON OUR SHORES AND YOU WILL LIVE BY OUR LAWS AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN GO BACK TO WHATEVER GOD-FORSAKEN DESSERT THAT YOU CRAWLED OUT OF! and if it had been done in Norway and in Sweden those people those natives of their countries might still have a place to call home! Economic catastrophe is these countries supporting them on welfare!
Fenikkusuuk 3 weeks ago
FREEDOM people! If a woman WANTS to wear a Burka it is her RIGHT to do so. The role for government to play is to also ensure that should she NOT want to wear the Burka she can do so without fear for her well being... i.e. if hubby abuses her because of not wearing it hubby gets clubbed upside the head by the law. Of course the woman must allow for viewing of her face for proper identification purposes by proper authorities should the need arise.
conservativedude 3 weeks ago
@conservativedude I believe that most of us would agree, if only that would work... (it does not) ergo... no burkas please..
daNDayati 3 weeks ago
@conservativedude
So would you apply the ame rule to kkk outfits, nazi outfits worn by facists, how about rape niggers t shirts?
What intelligent peoepl do is look to what is connected with said outfit, and you have very sexist, mysogonistic, asggressive dominaerring, repressive attiudes andthe more woemn are covered up the pow confident islamic fantatics get with attacks on uncovered girls, gays etc
so its liek gang uniforms or football shirts where you get houliganisim
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
No amount of exposure to witnessing these alien ghosts can diminish their insufferable gloom-provoking and alarming aspect. What service to the emancipation of women does this garb promote, and how does it improve the well-being of humanity in general?
spaarky13 3 weeks ago
@wilkseyboy if the Muslims left these shores than a major catastrophe will be witnessed by you an economic catastrophe
Look what happened in Holland when 5k Sudanese left that country after years of racial economic and housing abuse dished out by the Dutch. The country and area they went to was visited by a Dutch Minister to take them all back due to a major economic breakdown they all told him that they no longer care about Holland. That place where they are staying is prospering.
mofty3369 3 weeks ago
@mofty3369 Actually nno we would be better off with less violence and a more mixing society
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
GO FRANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XxsunsetterxX 4 weeks ago 13
it's woman be gentle with them let them wear the burka, let them wear nothing more than bakini, let them insult all of the evil that man has ever caused in military history.
who are you to judge YOU FUCKTARDS ---you are not woman !
tears come falling from my eyes, i stand up tall shouting E E EDL will any woman who is sick of evolutionists, jews, christians and muslims please join the EDL .
ilovesexyladiescbt18 1 month ago
Anyone who wants to play the freedom of religious card, this is not sited in the quran for them to wear. This is a cultural belief shared by men who can't control their boners so they cover women up. Many muslims i know agree that the burka is not islam and is something not to be tolerated.
okokwegetit22 1 month ago
congratulations on your freedom to choose any clothing you wish, except a burka, i suppose. Congratulations also, on being completely oblivious to how fundamentally flawed it is for a democracy to proscribe private dress.
placidDUNDAS 1 month ago
For anyone offended by France banning the burkha=TOUGH!
It`s they`re country, they`re laws...DEAL WITH IT!
If only other European countries would follow suit and get this medevil, women oppressing piece of shit out of our lands for good along with all the other Muslim extremist lunatics hell bent on bombing our asses back to the stone ages in the name of Allah! Europe will be a far safer place to live for us all!
TheFlyingScotsman01 1 month ago 4
Muslim countries arrest people everyday for what they are wearing. Why don't people complain about that? Christians can't build church or openly preach or wear what they want to so why should muslims be allowed to do what tyhey want to in a society that doesn't wear garb like muslims? They have double standards. Muslims have no rights to complain when they are told to wear or that they can't build a mosque. They can go to a muslim country if they want that. I support the EDL and always will.
Keithava 1 month ago
@Keithava People DO complain about how people are treated in middle east, but when people live in the west, they should be allowed to wear whatever they want as long as they don't cause harm to others. If a muslim lives in the west, wearing a burqa, and doesn't advocate violence or partake in any of it, then why punish them? Sure, by wearing the burqa they're supporting a violent religion, but hey, freedom of speech!
NoNameC68 1 month ago
Here is my point. Muslims should be free to wear what ever they want anytime, any place. But if I went to a muslim country and my wife wanted to wear mini skirts or some other skimpy outfit what would happen? Would they accept this? If I wanted to build a church in a muslims country would they let me? I don't think so on either one. But muslims come into our country and demand this or that but we can't do what we want in their country. You have to do what the country wants you to do.
Keithava 1 month ago
@Keithava So... it's okay to be a raging hypocrite? Just because muslims in Saudi Arabia won't allow christians to walk around in a short skirt doesn't justify actions to treat muslims the same way in Europe! People SHOULD be allowed to wear short skirts in Saudi Arabia as much as people SHOULD be allowed to wear burqas in Europe.
Muslims who demand other people act a certain way are wrong, but that doesn't justify a burqa ban.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
Do you really call the burqa clothing? This is the most insulting thing there is. You are not living in a muslim country, when if France you do as the French do. When you talk to a person in this garb you don't even know who you are talking to. I wouldn't call a mask a piece of clothing. All you people are doing is trying to make something that is dumb as hell, Good. You can fool some idiots into believing this way but you guys are the idiots if you believe that the French people want this crap
Keithava 1 month ago
@Keithava mask/clothing, who fucking gives a shit? Regardless of which one it is, it's wrong to ban burqas. YOU are offended by burqas. Fuck YOU for thinking offense is justification for outlawing something. You don't outlaw things that offend you, you outlaw violence and coercion!
NoNameC68 1 month ago
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MUSLIM WOMEN HAVE TO DRESS LIKE GHOSTS BECAUSE MUSLIM MEN CANNOT CONTROL THEIR SEXUAL URGES AND START ABUSING THEM? I ADMIRE WESTERN MEN WHO RESPECT THEM ANYWAY THEY DRESS AND IF THEY DON'T THE LAW FALLS ON THEM, NOT IN THE MUSLIM WORLD WHERE A WOMAN ARE ALWAYS WRONG "FOR PROVOKING MEN". DO YOU THINK IT IS FAIR THAT WOMEN HAVE TO DRESS LIKE NINJAS TO BE RESPECTED? WHY DON'T YOU TEACH MUSLIM MEN TO RESPECT YOU, MUSLIM WOMEN, WHATEVER YOU WEAR? MODESTY IS WITHIN
DictaduraNo123 1 month ago
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A very high proportion of French Muslims are in the underclass, that segment of the population that relies not so much on education and work as on welfare and predatory activities. Violence ranges from rape (95% of rapists are Muslim), murder (85% of murderers are Muslim), theft and looting of cars (58% committed by Muslims) and street fighting to assault on teachers and civil servants... source: w w w . masada2000 . o r g/islam . h t m l (remove spaces from the link)
kreutzritter1967 1 month ago
Canada says "take that silly thing off your face"
That is all
ronedogg69 1 month ago
Force the sheikhs an mullahs to wear bra and panties and tell them it is god's will. Force them to prance around in public in their pretty lingerie.
AtheistwithAttitude 1 month ago
Why anyone would be proud to worship a dirty old paedophile prophet is a mystery to me. Let's face it, if Muhammed were alive today and if he visited your or my country he would be arrested and tossed into jail. Jerry Lee Lewis got away with marrying his 13 year old cousin, but an eight year old bride! You've gotta be shittin' me.
AtheistwithAttitude 1 month ago
Whoever does not want to wear burqa, islam prohibits form forcing the person. Whoever wants to wear it by choice, then respect freedom of choice.
shafiqpeer 1 month ago 2
@shafiqpeer Yea, right, And monkeys will fly out my ass too. Muslims have no free choice. It is natural for muslims to lie all the time, we all know that. You can't even leave your religion or say anything negative about it without fear of death.
Keithava 1 month ago
@Keithava Hello Keithava, If some muslims are misbehaving, its not right from their part and I'm totally against their misbehaviour. But I am free :) And now if you want to say that i'm lying, you are again free and I cant force u to say otherwise. Have a nice time my friend. Take care.
shafiqpeer 1 month ago
@shafiqpeer You are not free. The religion you belong to makes you a slave to it. You can't even think for yourself, no wonder why muslims still want to live in the sixth century, they are brainwashed into believeing that sharia law is good for them. Try speaking out against islam or try leaving it. Then you will see how free you are. And it is a French Government not a Saudi Government in France and they can say what people wear if it is dangerous to it's citizens.
Keithava 1 month ago
@Keithava dear Keithava, coming to the same point if some muslims do not want to progress then its them to be blamed, not islam. I am not surprised that Prof Yoshihide Kozai said "So, by reading [the] Quran and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe.” For security then they have the right to ask to remove. Just covering one's head is so dangerous to society? not wearing almost anything is more dangerous. Peace my friend
shafiqpeer 1 month ago
If the muslims want sharia then that would fine but then they turn around and force it on non muslims. Sharia needs to be stopped, it is incompatable with any culture and the burqa is a show of power and has no religious meaning. Stop islam from taking over. Muslims don't like to look at women who don't wear a bag on their heads, we don't want to look at women who do, it's our country so leave and go to a country that loves islam, we don't.
Keithava 1 month ago
@Keithava Wow I guess it was all bs when they said Europe is liberal and democratic. Thank god i live in a republic, where we at least try to tolerate different cultures.
KrasusDumat 1 month ago
@KrasusDumat I hear ya.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@Keithava Wow, how dumb can you be? Obviously it's horrible when muslims try to force others into respecting their religions. I am a participant of Draw Muhammad Day myself. However, Telling them they can't wear a burqa is nothing more than hypocritical. If you want them to tollerate our beliefs and to allow us to say whatever we want about Islam, then we have to let them worship whoever they want however they want as long as it's not coercive (not all muslims use coercion).
NoNameC68 1 month ago
This is the way a muslims would answer, "respect my muslim religion and let us wear a bag on our heads but we won't respect you at all" I like how muslims don't even know what their quran teaches. Muslims can not respect any other religion at all. And there is no requirement in the quran for women to wear this crap, it is just a "in your face infidel" thing, we are better that you. I will tolerate muslims and respect their beliefs when they get rid of sharia law. you are the dumb one.
Keithava 1 month ago
@Keithava Okay, what does ANY of that have to do with burqas? You're giving the government the power to tell people how to dress. That is even more pathetic than sucking some strangers dick in a back alley for crack money. You will give the government the ability to control what people wear? Let's not forget to mention that you're assuming all muslims are violent murderers. You're taking away human rights, to punish people whom you have no evidence is a danger.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 its not simplyn an outfit its what comes with it.
There is plenty of evidence of danger just look up islamic countires videos of stonings and reports pof honour killing,
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCa*facepalm* So wrong it's not even funny. Burqas don't kill people, people kill people. Stop blaming these issues on burqas, they're caused by violent people who are supported by an oppressive government.
You're evidence is fallacious, you're blaming burqas when the problem is corrupt government and people.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 Burkas segregate girls from boys and muslims girls from non muslims so all they ever hear is brainwashing from family and cericvs, the sexaul segregation creates sexaul frustration and withtou dating, love and affection msulism have these needs channeled into relgionsn fanatiacisim loving a death cult god and lerics whib preach the wonders of violent sharia law and the honour in martredom and how muslsims should kill the dirth slutty kaffairs etc so does lead to violece
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 The burkas currpt the peoepl
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat Then ban the corrupt,coercive, actions instead of the banning the burqas.As long as someone can wear a burqa without harming someone else, which most muslims in western countries do, then there's no justification to ban them. If burqas cause honor killings to happen in Europe, you ban honor killing, not the burqa.Otherwise you still need to ban the Quran and Islam, as well as block internet access to Islam sites.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68
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Then ban the corrupt,coercive, actions instead of the banning the burqas.
The burkas cuases and leads to the corrupt,coercive, actions
so get rid of the burkas, muslims woemn no longer can be identified as muslsim, no more barriers so mix with anyone else realise faults in islam and mnix with others.
The burkas is like a wall so all they hear is the currption and thats hwo the curruption gains power. and numbers.
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat That's an immoral way to handle the situation and it's foolish to think things will go that smoothly. Not to mention, you don't give two shits about these women, you're just afraid that somehow this burqa thing will spread in a "free" country. Just because something is a solution doesn't mean it's the RIGHT solution. Sacrificing freedom is like shooting yourself in the foot to fix a problem.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68
Solutions are the most effective ways of dealing with something, the woemn dont think so wont get sympathy till they start applying brains till thin like robots
You need to separate them from their cult to deprogram them
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat Killing people because they aren't wearing a burqa is horrible. However, throwing people in jail because they are wearing one is pretty damn bad as well. It's hypocritical, especially when the people you're arresting aren't involved in honor killings.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68
What you fail to see is that the muslims are trying to take over France and other countries and this is just one way for them to do it. It is not so much the clothes but what they mean. It is a "You can't tell us what to do but we will tell you what you can't do" And they all might do honor killing but they have the mindset due to their so called religion. That is why they don't denounce Hamas and other terrorist and won't speak out against terrorism.
Keithava 1 month ago
@Keithava They don't have to speak out against terrorism. It's horrible when they don't, but it's not something they should be forced to do or punished for not doing. The government should never have totalitarian rule over what someone wears. If you want to fix the problem, give people property rights. Then, if a shop owners doesn't want to serve someone for some reason, they don't have to. If most people are against burqas, surely most wouldn't allow them on their property.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68
You are a very irresponsible perosn... the world would be awful if folk thought like you as then no police force, no healht and safety, nobody stoppign anyone hurting or harming, nobody stopping baby rape and murder etc
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat The government is supposed to protect people from coercive crimes that harm people and their property as well as uphold contracts and uphold private property agreements. Wearing a burqa? Victimless crime. Raping a baby, the baby is the victim. Big difference.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68
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Again get a fucking macro brain not a micro one.
1 person wear burka no big deal, an entire school, all muslims girls where it the muslim boys then think they have a right to attack muslsim not conforming, fathers & brothers then start muddering daughters who date, muslsims only listern to celrsics and girls never hear or communicate with outsiders deemed kufairs then they start on others.
Then you have your victims. Likt hitler was powerfless till uniformed followers
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 Difference is you have to see things in context ie burkas lead to segregation, then those segregated folk only get to listen to brainwashing psychopath who turn them the same. You create theis mindset where muslsim have no brain they just listen to clerics and book or fami;ly with no independant intelligetn thoguht. the burka is a key part on all the nasty violenct stuff, look how the system works
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 lets use a computer game to explain this... you appraoch is to just shoot the aliens comming down... you do this you do it forever or till you run out of lives.
My apprach is to target the monster generators, hit those no more monsters, you get nowwhere tryign to attack a castle with a bow and arrow, remove the walls and you can get at ther enemy.
you need to get rid of the burkas so muslsim woemn mix then the currption is diluted and looses power
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat The generators you are taking is the freedom to wear whatever you want. Therefor, you'll be stupid to take them out. You don't sacrifice freedom. You keep avoiding the fact you're sacrificing freedom. It's this "most of us don't wear burqas so I don't care" mentality.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 Sorry youb are not using your brain... you see things in micro terms I see them in macro, look these words up. You need to look at the bigger picutre on where burkas leads, cause and effect.
Like you enforce crash hements, stop children havign the freedom to carry uzis, stop peoepl dealig crack to children, make rape illegal etc
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat What I don't understand is, if you're willing to sacrifice freedom, why the fuck would you ban burqas since they're used as a tool of oppression, coercion, and violence? Why wouldn't you ban the Quran instead? Because the Quran obviously plays a vastly bigger role than burqas when it comes to oppression and coercion! Even if tradings your freedoms was acceptable, why half ass it and ban something that doesn't cause problems in the west?
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 yes ban the quran, mosques , madresses especailly as brain wash kids
But you see the nurka makes muslsims stand out and show power and numbers and how they are separate. if muslsim did not behave the way they do peoepl would be ok about mosques ... Seeign how muslsim think and behave when reading the queran , clearly it should be banned.
Burkas segregate girls so all they hear is the quran and to stop them mixing and dating non muslsims leaving the muslsim men alone
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat It's the woman's choice to be a part of that religion. If a woman wants to seperate herself from society and show her dedication to her religion, she should have that right. I'm sure there are muslims out there who don't advocate murder. I'm sure some muslims respect other people's freedom. We can't stereotype all muslims, which is why you ban coercive acts. Because you can't ban something merely because it has the potential of leading to coercion.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 The owmen dont know anythign out side their soiety as the burka is like a wall, remove the wall she mixes and can see there is a better life outside islams,
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat 1. You can't prove what you said for every muslim woman living in the west. 2. It's not the government's job to tell people how to act. 3. If you want to convince muslim women that they're better off without burqas or Islam, do so in a non-coercive manner! Don't FORCE them.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 Its not just the woemn its how the burkas make muslsim males act.
Governments tell peeopl how to act all the time... stoppign rape, robbery, cost cuttign leading to dangerous acts, stop drink driving, rape, peadophila, children carrying guns to school etc.
Its not just the effect on the girl wearing it, its the mentality it creates in all muslsim minds how is segregates. This leads to fantiasicism and violence to woemns making muslim males hurt girls for uncovering etc
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat You listed coercive actions. What you gave me were crimes that had victimes. A burqa ban would result in women being arrested for wearing clothing, a victimless crime.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68
Go look how hitler came to power due to folk like your who stoped folk like me stopping him... the uniforms of the brownshirts, the segregationaist attiudes seen it all before. Hitler used similar tactivcs then it was too late.
its not the burka its what goes with it... Why the fuck dont you connect the dots andf look at patterns
a leads to b
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat You don't ban A that leads to B when A is non-coercive, you ban actas of coercion. If men abuse women they go to jail. If A leads to B, then B leads to prison. Look, no problem. As for the Hitler thing, it wasn't clothes that made people follow him. That's just fucking stupid. That's literally the equivalent to banning shaved heads and boots as a way to prevent no-nazism.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 Ok if you think such clothign does not matter how about a test.
Put on blue clothes and walk around bloods territory in LA or wear or wear red in cripts turf.
I dare you
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@ComboTheCat Yeah, I'd be shot, which is already illegal. That's like banning mini skirts and saying "walk around in a mini skirt in the ghetto, you'll get rapes. Mini skirts cause rape, therefore mini skirts should be outlawed."
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@NoNameC68 MIni skirts are not part of a huge brainwashing organisation, thy dont cause a sexist attiude, non miniskirt wearers are not trying to take over everything, etc
Agin why dont you look to why the burka is worn, why its important, where did the idea to wear t come from, why is it worn etc?
ComboTheCat 1 month ago
@Keithava Just because some muslims are dangerous doesn't mean they are all dangerous. To punish an individual, you must have evidence that they are a danger or have committed acts of coercion in the past. Banning burqas is merely an attempt to drive away muslims because the government can't find evidence that they're a threat (evidence must be found for each individual muslim, you can't just say "muslims are dangerous, because that's stereotyping).
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@Keithava Instead of banning the burka, France should ban Sharia Law. Oh wait, Sharia Law literally doesn't hold up in French courts, so Sharia Law isn't an issue in France. Sharia Law only protects those who live under governments that also follow Sharia Law. Any muslims under other governments are not protected, and therefore must be treated under current laws under their governments, which means innocence until proven guilty.
That's one way as to how these bans are hypocritical.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
@Keithava In the most literal sense, you are demanding that governments arrest people for wearing cloth on their bodies. That's pathetic. I don't care what muslims do, you don't ban clothing. If you want to fix the problem, ban the coercive actions (which are already illegal).
I'm sick to death of seeing things from tight-lipped, condescending, mama's little chauvinists.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
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THIS WOMAN LOOKS LIKE A MOBILE TENT. WHAT A STUPID WAY TO BELIEVE IN GOD. SHE COVERS HERSELF LIKE A GHOST AND THEN SHE CLAIMS THAT "SHE ONLY WANTS PEOPLE TO SEE HER MIND, NOT HER BODY". HER MIND? THE ONLY THING WE SEE IS A BLACK BAT AND SHE MAKES HERSELF VERY NOTICEABLE. MODESTY, DEVOTION IS SOMETHING WITHIN, NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO SHOW BY A RIDICULOUS, NOTICEABLE WAY OF DRESSING. IF SHE DOES IT OUT OF MODESTY? WHY CAN'T MAN DRESS LIKE THAT TOO? DON'T MEN NEED TO SHOW MODESTY TOO?
DictaduraNo123 1 month ago
Good on ya FRANCE!! Support from OZ!!
angryzombie79 1 month ago
@WW3Revolution lol are you serious about the aliens?
abdurahmanhaji1 1 month ago
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mohommad rasool allah is a child fucker...he fucked ayesha when she was 9 years old...go check in Al-tabari....islam is a man-made religion...mohommad (madar chod) wrote the quran
Hitman22ish 1 month ago
good for france
yoky25 1 month ago
Interestingly even slavery as practiced by 'Christian' lands often involved non-Christians at the ownership and transport level - such as Jews for example.
I think religion was irrelevent to the whole thing actually (As irrelevent as Christ to Inquisition) except that acting as a 'group identifier' the enslavement and similiar mistreatment of those of one's own faith was usually proscribed.
We tend to be capable of doing worse things to those different to us.
Parasmunt 2 months ago
The popular British version of their history in the slave trade goes something like this.....
Beginning: We abolished it, Wilberforce was the hero - we set out to stop evil Spanish slavers on the high seas (THE END).
Quite amusing and some of them actually believe it.
A word to the wise, even when the Brits stopped a Spanish slaveship after THEY had abolished it, they then seized the 'cargo' and sold them to one of their colonies as indentured labourers!
Parasmunt 2 months ago
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France is intolerant? Try walkin' down the street in a Muslim country with a crucifix around your neck
sanik00 2 months ago
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War and murder.
“The unbelievers are your inveterate foe.” Sura 4:101.
"Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve." Sura 8:72.
"So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam." Sura 8:39.
“And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah” Sura 2:193
“And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter..." Sura 2:191
SheikhTaqiyyameister 2 months ago
France must be harsh with these aliens or your freedom and way of life will be jeopardised.
TheSpeaknoevil 2 months ago
France is committing suicide. Vote out your weak leaders!
TheSpeaknoevil 2 months ago
This video is very vague and discriminatory First off if the lack of individualism is a crime then as they implied all military organizations should be disbanded Second of all, muslim clothing is just that muslim as in the religion not a political uniform Is a christian any less of a member of his country just because he is christian I also agree with what has already been said about the fact that wrong doers are already punished why is it necessary to discriminate against a mostly docile group
Darkdragoon17 2 months ago
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@Darkdragoon17 mostly docile...?
you clearly don't have a clue about islamic intent...and muslims having to support islam
proudfemale 2 months ago
Fucking brilliant!
AtheistwithAttitude 2 months ago
@noone4772 Uniforms, by definition, indicate membership of a particular institution and one's status within that institution. Dress codes are cultural. The Hijab is both; it originates from the Arab slaving culture and symbolizes it. Islam originates from that same culture and comes with a complete system of law called Sharia. Islamic Sharia is unashamedly supremacist, separatist and extremely violent. Its advocates regard it the duty of all Muslims to spread Sharia by any means whatsoever.
ritchloui 2 months ago
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ritchloui 2 months ago
Oh, MAN. How I wish they would ban it all around the world. What a better world it would be to see woman having indiviudality instead of being opressed by Islam men.
NewYearAustralia2009 2 months ago
@NewYearAustralia2009 WHAT THE FUCK? BAN IT AROUND THE WORLD. Get it through your thick skull, making it illegal to wear a burqa is GOVERNMENT OPPRESSION you dipshit imbecilic! It should be illegal for ANYONE to force ANYONE to wear a burqa, but if a woman chooses to wear a burqa, it's HER choice.
NoNameC68 1 month ago
great video.
ftswarbill 2 months ago
we must do the same here in Canada before it's too late as most of these women breed without conscience. the horrible garment is offensive, disgusting, probably quite unsanitary and it is simply not our culture...a total ban is needed ASAP
gcdcjccc 2 months ago
you sexy muslim ladies , you wear your islamic burka in public
and i'll wear my superman clothing in public : )
much love to you sexy islamic ladies .
there is nothing wrong with halal eaters eating pig meat and cow equally for they are both the farmers best ally , can you sexy islamic burka ladies see why islam is atheism that science and historians have proven islams allah , adam eve and mohammad never existed : )
no hard feelings my ladies but young children must grow up !
ukgreaterlondon 2 months ago
@WW3Revolution lol that is so creepy dude
abdurahmanhaji1 2 months ago
Great Britain, US, Canada, and all European countries should do the same, to the point where muslims are banned completely
TJace50 2 months ago
first thing the french gut right in generations!!!
ShteinbergArts 2 months ago
u do know most of these women who wear the burka wear it by choice right?.
iTuttefruit 2 months ago
@ATouchOfMagic88 In Europe women have the right to wear what ever they want---there is no European dress code. If you really understood the concept of freedom you would realize that issue is freedom of choice. By making it an offense to wear a burka you are in fact no different than countries that make it an offense not to wear one.
Admittedly, I don't like them either but it doesn't give me the right to force it on women who for what ever reason choose to wear one.
sweetsweatyfeet 2 months ago
The burka is not political attire---it's religious. And in a free country, it IS an woman's personal choice. If a country like France bans the burka, it takes that choice away and they become just as unfree in this respect as any Islamic nation that forces women to wear it.
Banning the burka and making it compulsory are two sides of the same coin since both remove the right of choice.
sweetsweatyfeet 2 months ago
@sweetsweatyfeet Don't be so stupid. The burka is a political symbol as indeed is the system that would insist that she wear it as a mark of her membership or compliance. Sharia is oft cited as the source of authority to enforce the wearing of burkas. Sharia is a totalitarian, supremacist ideology with a thin veneer of 'religiosity' thrown in. Islam is a political religion which aims to spread itself by any means whatsoever and always by violence.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui It matters not whether you consider the burka a religious or political symbol. You state in your objections that a woman MUST wear it as a mark of her membership or compliance. So how then is this objectionable?---because it's enforced by compulsion---that is why it is wrong.
What you are defending however is not liberation from authoritarianism but more forced compulsion against women who openly choose to wear it in a country where they already had the freedom of choice not to.
sweetsweatyfeet 2 months ago
@sweetsweatyfeet The fact is that Sharia is a supremacist, totalitarian ideology and we, the advanced multi-cultural, multi-racial civilisations of the world are getting VERY fed up with Islamist whinging and moaning when they can't get the special treatment the think they deserve. We know they target women and dress them so that they can beat them without it showing. You are a fool if you think otherwise.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui Your opinions of Islam are really beside the point and so are mine. We are talking about France where women already have the right NOT to wear one and NOT to be beaten. French law is completely on a woman's side if she does not want to practice Sharia. That is sufficient. If a woman wear's one---it's because she wants to for personal and religious reasons--that's why so many are protesting. A who woman freely chooses to wear a burka has the right and she violates no one's else's.
sweetsweatyfeet 2 months ago
@sweetsweatyfeet The burka is about Sharia - the totalitarian legal system that the Islamists want imposed throughout the world. Along with the burka, FGM, intitutionalised violence and persecution of all non-Muslims - you know, the system that has caused and was designed to cause misery and destitution for non-Muslims and ALL women throughout EVERY country that imposes Sharia. It is a totalitarian POLITICAL system with a thin veneer of 'religion' based on the nomadic Arab slaving culture.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui So the fuck what - people are free to wear whatever clothes they want. So now I cant go to Paris dressed as Batman on a stag party?
such a childish, pathetic law. Really shocked by this. I really thought better of France, but guess your idea of freedom is very different to mine.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@ritchloui Special treatment? are you fucking kidding - being free to wear a type of dress is not special treatment, its a basic human right. Who the fuck are the government telling people what not to wear - its actually absurd. Im so proud to be from the UK where a law like that just wouldn't happen. We obviously have a much more advanced notion of freedom.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist Aha. So, those women in Sharia run countries are 'free' to wear what they want? LOL. You are a fool. When are you going to worry? When they are stoned in public or hanged or mutilated? When might you spot a problem with women having their faces hidden as a mark of belonging to a totalitarian fascist cult? It is NOT a matter of freedom, but a matter of rejecting slavery! Get a bloody grip,
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui There are already laws against people owning people, or beating them..... this is about freedom to dress ones self. If France really cared about that, they would have made a law saying 'a husband cannot coerce his wife to wear specific clothing'.
The law should not be used as a tool to show your dislike to something, in this case... muslims. Lets not pretend this is about protecting women, this is a bout racism against muslims.
Do you even know a muslim?
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist You are very confused. The problem is not Muslims; they are human beings just like everyone else. The problem is Islamic Sharia. In the 57 or so 'Islamic' countries Sharia is imposed on both Muslim and non-Muslim. Furthermore Islamists wish to impose Sharia everywhere. I bet the Iranians weren't expecting what would happen when they toppled the Shah and Mullahs took over. Egypt has fallen to them too. You'd better wake up and smell the roses.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui And how is that relevent to banning people from dressing a certain way? I think Sharia law is shit, and liberal law is more moral.
Liberal law is about freedom, and the irony is that by banning a burka, we are just as bad as sharia - it takes freedom and choice away from people for doing something that harms nobody. Its clothes for gods sake.
The Spiderman movie will neve be filmed in france, cause the actor will get arrested - its such a pathetic law. Its laughable.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@ritchloui France isnt a sharia country so your statement is illogical.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist On the contrary, Islamic apologists and Sharia advocates wish to have Sharia imposed everywhere. Your own logic is almost Orwellian; the veil means freedom in a non-Sharia country. LOL. No it doesn't and it does not mean freedom in a Sharia country either.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui I would repel Sharia law with violence if necessary. Western liberal law wins every time ethically, and morally - but by banning a burka, we are taking freedom... we are as bad as them.
We should take the higher ground and show Sharia advocates what freedom is all about. By taking freedom, we undermine our own credibility to tell others that they should have freedom as well.
Its just absurd.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist You appear to be completely unaware of just how Orwellian your own logic is; the burka is about freedom... give me a break. The burka is part of the necessary uniform for women within a slave culture. It serves to obliterate both female identity and, conveniently, also the many facial injuries and beatings they receive. The burka is NOT a matter of freedom in any Islamic country so don't kid yourself that all of a sudden it is so in a civilised country.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui Who said the Burka was about freedom? I said the wearing of a item of clothing, is about freedom. I hate racists, but I respect their freedom to hold racist views and even say them openly. I hate religion, but I respect peoples freedom of religion and thought . Banning the burka is against freedom. It is unethical, and I oppose it.
France a civilised country? I think they may have dented that aspect of their credibility with this law.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist Presumably you would argue that wearing a swastika or Nazi uniform is merely matter of choice and to ban them 'is against freedom'. The burka is not a neutral item but a political symbol. Its origins are from the desert slaving culture of 7th century Arabia. Under Islamic Sharia, the legal code developed by the Arab slavers, the burka is enforced. If you are concerned about 'freedom' you might perhaps stop straining at a gnat whilst effortlessly swallowing a camel.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui I think we've got to the heart of the problem! I find Nazism inherently evil, and im uncomfortable with people wearing the uniform, although I still think banning is too far (maybe a public oder offence if doing specifically to provoke)
I think we finally figured out whats going on here. You find Islam evil, so the symbol is evil. I find Islam the same as any other religion, so the symbol doesn't bother me.
What do you think?
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@ritchloui I dont get your lasta analogy, are you saying I am wasting time on this burka issue? I dont believe I am. I believe in protecting minoritites as they are often the ones who experience more persecution.
We have lost an oppurtunity to take the higher ground, and have given another recruiting tool to the terrorists. You think offending islam will make us safer? you are mad.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist I suggest you watch:
watch?v=WBHnp0NfxxA&list=LLXwzpn9OTWYGq3nm_maonsg&feature=mh_lolz
Muslims are not, as they like to portray themselves, a race or an oppressed, peaceful minority. Islam is a totalitarian, fascist ideology that commits its followers to exterminating all other religions and unbelievers. Look at what has happened in EVERY country the Muslims have taken over. Lebanon was a Christian country only 30 years ago. France will have a Muslim majority within 25.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui Muslims are individuals. They are clearly being targetted by this law, its not about security.. its about showing disdain to someones religion.
And I dont care if islam is a majority in france. if people want to become muslims, then its a free country and its their business -
Im non religious, and im just as concerned with christians dominating the political landscape as with muslims.
We have laws that target individiauls. If a muslim or anybody commits a crime, we punish.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@ritchloui Please explain to me why a muslim majority in a western nation is any different to a christian majority? The religions are equally stupid in my view, and equally condone immoral behaviour. Christians over the last 300 years have liberalised, and the Islamic world is also on that path if you actually look at Muslim countries.
For me its about liberalising, and of all the muslims I know, they are liberal in the way they view the world, and no the 'fascists' you talk off.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist The attempt by people born with the label 'Muslim' to liberalise their societies ended about 40 years ago. Since then they have witnessed a well financed drive to spread Wahabi Islam and the slaving ideology behind it. The Burka is a brand of this ideology. Slaving is the oldest form of human organisation and is central to Islam and the key to its success. Islamic Sharia, the slavers' legal code has no concept of a human; your rights differ as a believer or an infidel.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui Well of the muslims I know, none of them are slaves or endorce slavery - maybe I just know the wrong ones?
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist That's good. The slavers are generally Saudi, Sudanese Arab, Somali, Northern Nigerian, Chadian. You probably don't get to meet many people from those countries. Anyone who advocates Sharia is ideologically supremacist. The burka in particular is a symbol of slavery whilst the hijab that is rapidly becoming a brand (it is not a Muslim requirement but a Brotherhood one). You might be surprised by the views your Muslim acquaintances hold.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui And slavery has never been a system used by Christians? Handcuffs are also a symbol of slavery, should goths and punks who wear them also have them banned? some people were gimp suits which is a symbol of sexual submission, Should we ban those also?
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist Yes, Christians did indeed engage in the slave trade. The Roman Church led the way. It was only when the RCC lost its iron grip that the possibility emerged of a more enlightened worldview. Nevertheless the Bible was frequently cited to defend slavery. The British American involvement in the trade is the BEST documented and most regretted. Yet it accounts for only 5% of the trans-Atlantic trade. The Islamists have NEVER regretted it as it is still central to their doctrine.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui
Lies, millions of blacks were sent across the Atlantic by the British - it went on for centuries, they dominated the trade all through the 18thC when it reached it's historical height. Also even after they abolished slavery they still trafficked in abducted indentured servants who were treated like slaves.
The Spanish and Portuguese were acting as a polity as a state - NOT as the Catholic Church.
Parasmunt 2 months ago
@Parasmunt You need to read the Papal Bull of 1493 Partitioning the New World between Spain and Portugal before you dismiss its role. They knew very well that the New World was well populated and the Southern Continent was extremely wealthy. The RCC had no hesitation in 'giving' all of the land, possessions and people to the Spanish and Portuguese. The Portuguese slaughtered who they could find as they were already PROLIFIC slavers of Africans, whilst Spain turned on the inhabitants for slaves.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui Regardless of it's pronouncements, the Vatican did not have authority over those countries... to set policies. The Archbishop of Canterbury was not responsible for British slavery either (though funnily enough unlike the Pope he and other bishops in England owned slaves as recent as the 19thC).
Parasmunt 2 months ago
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ritchloui 2 months ago
@Parasmunt The history of slavery in England is not particularly straightforward. It was abolished in the 11th century and then when the English got caught up in the longstanding trans-Atlantic slave trade founded by the Portuguese there were a number of legal battles because the law actually stated that slaves should be freed if the stepped onto English soil. I'm not surprised to hear that Churchmen were slave owners. After all the priests make a living out of preaching servitude to phantasms.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@Parasmunt We know the name of the FIRST British slaver, where he went, what he did and when. It wasn't until the late 16th century - ie nearly 100 YEARS after the Portuguese had been at it. The Portuguese were responsible for the VAST proportion of the Atlantic slave trade and continued it long after everyone else. Except of course the Muslims, who are STILL at it throughout Islamic Africa.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui Yes but people are individuals, how can you just say 'the islamists never regretted it\ - you are just generalising 1 billion people. How on earth do you know? Did you poll all muslims, and even if you are right (which I severly doubt) this still does not justify violating someones freedom of how they dress.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@ritchloui The law should be there to protect our rights. Law should only oppress as a byproduct.e.g.I have a right to life so its illegal to harm me, or driving fast is dangerour, so I do not have the right to drive 100mph on a busy street. This law command that a person removes a piece of clothing - this is not a byproduct whereby this law is needed to protec the right of someone else, this law is a direct oppressive measure. It benefits nobody (unlike murder law). It is therefore unjust.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@ritchloui Liberal law is based on a very important principle, whereby human beings all have natural rights. Natural rights incilude right to happiness, property, freedom of expression etc.... This law clearly violates a natural freedom. Villating a freedom should only EVER happen when it i required to protect the freedom of somebody else.
This law is therefore against the principle of what democratic legal systems are about. I think France legislators should be ashamed of themselves
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@ritchloui Liberal law is based on a very important principle, whereby human beings all have natural rights. Natural rights include right to happiness, property, freedom of expression etc.... This law clearly violates a natural freedom. Violating a freedom should only EVER happen when it is required to protect the freedom of somebody else.
This law is therefore against the principle of what democratic legal systems are about. I think France legislators should be ashamed of themselves
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist I don't want to accuse you of being obtuse, but I think 'hoodies' are also banned, as wearing motorcycle helmets and balaclavas when entering public buildings. The 'burka' is a symbol of an extremist political movement, it is not a requirement of Islam but of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Arabian slaving culture. The burka itself is a violation of freedom and that is what it symbolizes; women's TOTAL servitude and the beatings she suffers. It is Orwellian to argue otherwise.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui Hoodies or balaclavas in public buildings is banned for security reasons, that is irrelevant to this conversation.
For many muslims the burka is not a extremist symbol, so this a subjective fact based on opinion. I dont see the burka as a extreme symbol, and subjectively speaking I am correct as it is down to interpretation.
The burka is a piece of clothing and cannot inherently violate freedom.
Also many muslims believe it is a requirement, once again depends on interpretation.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@ritchloui Dont you have any concern at all that this measure is almost identical to what the Nazis did when they made Jews wear the star?
The similarities in these creeping anti-islamic steps across Europe, I find frankly disturbing. I blame it on the fact legislators now have never lived through war, and we are taking freedom for granted.
Its sad to be honest - Muslims make up a small % of the population yet receive so much disdain. A whole people just shat on like that.
Its not fair.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@ritchloui I want you to explain to me how banning a piece of clothing, which some people perceive as a extreme symbol, preserves anyones freedoms? I have not heard any convincing argument thus far.
My liberal instincts screamed with rage the moment I heard about this law - it is wrong.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist Now you are being obtuse. The burka intentionally deprives a woman of any identity. Why? Because she is a woman, a slave. So in fact, that is ALL she is, not a person, not a human, not an individual just a featureless creature that affirms men's right to rape, and her own family to beat her and get away with it. Battered Muslimas need help - especially those from extremist families.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist Oh, and while you are so concerned about the right of French women to be shoved into shapeless sacks you might take a moment to think about a football match in Egypt with a gigantic banner saying: "One nation for a new holocaust". watch?v=JkNZjDM_FQI&feature=g-all-lik&context=G28a99c9FAAAAAAAACAA
You need to inform yourself about the ideology of these people. Egypt was once a Christian nation; where are they now? Fleeing for their lives.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui Fundamentalism is a problem of all religions. Fundamentalist Christians were rampant through the middle ages, and some still to this day - but would you support the banning of a christian dress, perhaps a priests robe, or a monks hood?
If not, you are a hypocrite.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@ritchloui Im not watching this video, its of no interest to me. I could show you a video of christians burning people alive in kenya if you want to.. but I undertsand its not the religion per se thats the issue, this is about politics. The government hasnt a right to get involved in peoples personal faith, and on top does not have the right to tell people to not dress a particualr way.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist Yes, Europe suffered a 600 year Inquisition by the Roman Church. The Arab people are now suffering an Islamic Inquisition. But you are too stupid to see it. You just think, oh it's about 'freedom' for women to be shoved into sacks. You are a moron.
ritchloui 2 months ago
@ritchloui Who said I wasn't concerned about religion? Im a atheist, and a humanist, and Im concerned about religious political power in the UK, and anywhere else. You think the solution to these problems is further marginalising muslims by clearly showing disdain for them by this sort of law?
I dont respond to insults - insults only fly when someone is getting frustrated as they know the other person is making valid points. I still see no justification for this law.
TheSelfishAltruist 2 months ago
@TheSelfishAltruist I absolutely agree with you i have had this discussion with others and they look at me like if i'm some kind of idiot. They don't understand that this is usually the way democracy ends. It shows the capability of the government to impose its power on its citizen rather then the other way around. Making them slaves to the mob rather then free and equal individuals. All they see is a lifestyle different from there own so they believe they must eliminate it, not knowing...
KrasusDumat 1 month ago
@TheSelfishAltruist ...they are in the long term destroying the freedoms they enjoy
KrasusDumat 1 month ago
@KrasusDumat We have allowed our fear of those different to us to destroy our own freedom. Europe has shot itself in the face.
This sort of thing makes me a proud Brit above being a proud European. This law wouldn't be tolerated in the UK - no chance.
TheSelfishAltruist 1 month ago
@TheSelfishAltruist I salute Britain for its brilliant patience and restraint as madness befalls Europe. (typically more so now as the economic crises increases) I can only hope here in the states do the same. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER WW2 situation where we are putting citizens into camps because of our fears. This may seem small to many but this is Pandora's box in the flesh.
KrasusDumat 1 month ago
@KrasusDumat I think the current law makers take what they have for granted. The people who saw real oppression in WWII I think would be horrified by steps like this. I do think its a slippery slope to something horrible if we are not careful. The videos on u tube are shocking in their racism. Some of the comments talk of 'getting rid of muslims' etc. That guy in Norway is the extreme end of a serious problem in Europe - Islam is not the problem, but people's fear of Islam is.
TheSelfishAltruist 1 month ago
@KrasusDumat History repeats itself. Recession causes rise in extremism. Who's the scapegoat this time for our misery? It was Jews in the 30s, Blacks in the 50s,60s then it was the Irish in the 80s for the UK, then it was gypsys, then immigrants, and now its Muslims. How people dont see this is beyond me.
TheSelfishAltruist 1 month ago
@TheSelfishAltruist Because statistic backs it up, he's just one of them: /watch?v=Bm1yJMMUK_c
And take a look at the situation in England. People don't just invent stuff - muslims need to clean their own ranks to gain respect, instead, we see no muslims demostrating against sharia or terrorism... only for it. To the public, that is consent through silence.
Northern85Star 1 month ago
@Northern85Star And as I said, so what if muslims do want sharia - its their right to hold an opinion - dont you agree?
If you dont agree with them, thats tough shit.
Our liberal constitution is not compatible with sharia, so even if they all wanted it (which I know is not true) its a moot point as it would never be implemented.
TheSelfishAltruist 1 month ago
@TheSelfishAltruist Everything is changeable in democracy, that's why you shouldn't import non-democratic people to a democratic country.
Northern85Star 1 month ago