Lee's ideology has also been effectively proven several times, in non-contact and full-contact kickboxing competition, by Joe Lewis. Okay, so Lee could hit fast and hard, the Gracies proved jujitsu grappling is a major key to victory in the octagon. How would Bruce Lee have handled that? Those who know anything about Bruce Lee's realistic approach to combat are aware he had over 33 grappling maneuvers in his repertoire.
In my opinion bruce would've got owned by bj penn, gracie, sudo, gomi, sanchez, diaz, kid etc... all the light weight comp out there right now. All I am saying is if bruce was in his prime and would've trained like those fighters mentioned above then lee would be a contender. I do not know about champ cause its hard work, but for sure a mma fighter. Ppl are making him out to be a god that was already mma material during the 70s. He would not be ready w/ those skills. Bas Rutten said that.
as dana white said it when he took over mma, he called bruce lee the father of mma because the sport itself ecompasses all major forms of fighting. if bruce lee were still alive, he'd also be a student of the ground game since that was opening up his own eyes before he passed away. he was studying the ground game before he died read up on it.
@aquin520 Jeet Kune Do was a growing martial art in that it was taking many aspects away from other martial arts. In english it translates to the "way of the OPEN fist" meaning that it is open to ALL FORMS. as i said before, if bruce lee were alive today, he'd be studying the ground game and adapting it in to his own style. so don't give me this bs about how these guys will "mop the floor" with him.
why is it that the jkd community or bruce lee fans can't admit that bruce was a one dimenional fighter? most MMA ppl like bas for example understood that bruce would've lost an mma match. Bruce was good back in the 70s cause nobody knew how to fight. Now, we got utlimate fighting which encourages well roundedness. We could fight these days. I understand the respect factor for bruce but cmon. be real. bruce lee is beatable not the hype u see in his films.
you're talking about a guy who was studying, Ju-Jitsu (Wally Jay), Judo (Gene LeBelle and others), Kenpo (Inosanto, Parker, others), Fencing (his brother Peter), Boxing, TKD (Rhee), and whatever else he could find. Savate, Escrima, Muay Thai, Hapkido... anything...
@aquin520 Humans have been fighting against each other, as long as we have been existed. In ancient times we knew more about how we should kill each ohter, then we do today. And we also had the ability to mentally in fact preform it!! Based on Bas comments, it is easy to see that he dont know much about JKD and Bruce Lee. What Bas is doing, is not fighing. It is sport. A little child "know" more what fighing is, becuase its part of the child instinct. Bas sabotage his own natural instincts.
@tjoooda Bas' comments were in regard to the sport, not in a street fight. Bruce would be limited to what he could do. In a street fight, He'd probably bite a chunk out of Silva's arm or leg if he tried to do a submission on him, but you can't do that in MMA competitions.
@TheBaltimoreKnight The rules would limit not only Bruce, but also the opponent. He was so fast that he could fire fire a single lead to the head of the opponent (which is legal in MMA) in 1/500 of a second, after the game had started. The opponent would not have time even try to any tactical moves. The game would have been over nearly before it started. Rules or no rules.. does not matter. A target, what ever its legal to hit, its still a target.
@tjoooda True, and I have great respect for Bruce's skill. It's just that if you take the knowledge that Bruce had when he was still living, and put him in the ring with a light weight Brazilian Jiu-jitsu fighter, all the fighter has to do is make Bruce miss and take him down. Bruces fighting style would actually work to a ground fighter's advantage because Bruce was a striker (limited ground know how) and he fought up close, so a ground fighter wouldn't worry about stalking him for a takedown.
@TheBaltimoreKnight First of all... if Lee had missed, it would not have been because of the opponents skills, but rather a hypothetical error of LEE. Second of all; he would have followed up with several punches and kicks. And if the opponent was still alive, Lee would have pulled back in a splitsecond. Lee did not stay in a in-fight. But if he for some reason had to, he had simple but a lot more effective techniques to avoid takedowns, than what MMA-fighters use today.
@tjoooda I agree. It wouldn't be easy to take Bruce down, because he would find all means to strike the opponent and Bruce could hit with the best of them and get a knock out easily with a body blow. And he was great with getting in and out of the opponent's range. However, a fighter would train for Bruce Lee and study his style. If at all possible, a Jiu-jitsu specialist were to take Bruce down, it would be a long day for Bruce if not a short one that would end up in an easy submission.
@TheBaltimoreKnight The problem for the opponent is that Lee did not actually used a style. But he had a basic form, that scientific made it possible to apply the fasted, hardest and most economic way to punch, kick from all angels, move in any direction, was most balanced, protected the body best, and was most balanced. And Bruce Lee was 0 % telegraphic in his move. To try to study his possibly pattern, was like trying to predict numbers of a rolling dice. He had no pattern, only a basic form.
@tjoooda True he is very unpredictable, but like you said, there lies his basic form. A few general things that a fighter would know about Bruce is that his strikes are usually close up lightening fast combos. Bruce could be exploited in between these combos with a wrap up take down right after he retracts from a combo. Bruces opponent also should use range to their advantage. Bruce fights up close and personal to take the opponent's range away. His opponent need to be the "Anti-Bruce".
@TheBaltimoreKnight If the opponent is "Anti-Bruce", then he is slow, unbalanced, weak, have useless power, and very very predictable. Lee could fight from long distance, medium- and close range. The only range that a opponent could take an advantage off, would be "very far away-range", and hopefully be able to run the hell out there. There were no tactics against Lee. To make plans against something unpredictable, is like fighting with a mirror, where the reflection moves "hours" before you.
@TheBaltimoreKnight Continue from last post.... When you mentioned basic form: Analyse water; it has a basic form (H2O), but are still shapeless. And has no style. You cannot physical attack something that is shapeless, like water. Only chemical, but then the fight has to involve weapons. Perfect preformed JKD has a basic form and is complete free of shape and style.
@TheBaltimoreKnight If something very unusual had happen, he might have been beaten. But that is very "what if". For example, what if he slipped, what if he suddenly got ill, what if he was injured before a fight, what if he was really tired, what if, what if, what if.. Bruce Lee would have in neutral situations won 99 % of the the fights. And that is quite invinsible. If someone were able to beat him... this somenone would be the one who were the invinsible. But so far, no one is even close.
@tjoooda I wouldn't say that much. It's like the saying in football, "Any given Sunday". On any given day, there is somebody out there that could defeat him and vice versa.
@TheBaltimoreKnight It's still the same answer. Everything is possible, but we are not talking about extreme situations. Its like comparing a grandmother beating up Mike Tyson. Its very, very unlikely, but on "any given day", it miiiiiight happen. So if you want to be more specific, lets convert the question to: "What is most REALISTIC to happen, if Bruce LEE met MMA-fighters in a MMA-fight (or eventually a real fights); would it be tight fights, would he undoubtedly loose or undoubtedly win?"
@tjoooda Well, Bruce practiced what he developed and called Jeet Kune Do. Jeet Kune Do is in itself a mixed martial art, and comparing Jeet Kune Do to the well rounded MMA fighter, does Jeet Kune Do have a good ground fighting system? How would Bruce do in the ring with Royce Gracie in his prime? Royce has fought Kung Fu experts and won easily, without throwing one punch and he took some strikes while at it too. They could hit just as hard as Bruce.
@TheBaltimoreKnight No, JKD is NOT a mma. To use combine karatekicks and boxingpuncehes is to mix parts of different a styles. But to totally disassemble hundred of arts down to biomecanic foundations, combine it with advanced anatomy, physics and physiology, and rebuild something totaly new, thats Lee's JKD. Lee would never have ended in a ground fight; now you are back to "what if". Sure someone could strike just as hard, but Lee was hit and moved both WAY faster and smarter.
@tjoooda By mma, I'm talking straight mixed martial arts. JKD is a blend of "things" from other martial arts practices, making it in the essence of meaning, a martial art that is mixed, however it is a new martial art, but it is not closed. JKD masters I'm sure are free to add things to JKD to improve the art. Today I saw that JKD has a proficient ground fighting element, and with the popularity of MMA and BJJ, it would only benefit to mix in useful tactics and strategies from MMA and BJJ.
@TheBaltimoreKnight No, JKD. masters are NOT allowed to add something to JKD. If you are doing that, its JKD consept, and is not the real JKD. However, you might sharpen JKD a little, with simplify the all ready existing techniques. Because thats whats JKD is all about, to simplify. You dont sharpen a sword by adding metal. To add techniques to JKD, like Inosanto is doing is not to simplify. Its making a show and sport of it. And want work in real combat.
@TheBaltimoreKnight .....and you cannot compare kung fu-experts to Bruce Lee. He met one of the greatest kung-fu-experts in the world and he won easily. The kung-fu-guy was just running away all the time. And this was even long before JKD was near its hight of development. Lee was then furious because he had not beaten this guy in under a minute. So he continued his development of JKD to something far greater.
@tjoooda Bruce Lee was truly special. I wish I could train with him. Is there any video of this fight. The only videos I can find of him sparring in real time is vintage poor quality black and white films with no varying angles and they were for demonstrations which mean he was probably taking it easy on the guy or it was either for sport when they would stop they would stop the engagement after the opponent was hit.
@TheBaltimoreKnight Who would not? :) No, no video of that so far i know. But if you want to train JKD, there are plenty of schools around the world that promote themselves with the name JKD. Over 90 % off them are not doing JKD. You have to read literature by Bruce Lee and about Bruce Lee, to find out who is doing real JKD. I dont thing I am allowed to give make a advertisement of which book you should read, but I may send you the literature by a message if you want.
@tjoooda Yeah, you can send that to me in a message. I'm just saying and let me know if you agree or not, but a JKD practicioner should be willing add what he believes is useful at leat to his own fighting knowledge if not to the art itself. If that were not the case, Bruce Lee would just be a Wing Chun expert rather than a well rounded and diversed fighter.
@TheBaltimoreKnight Let me put it this way: If you were an soldier in a war, you would only arm yourself with the weapons of highest quality. Everything extra adding would slow both your speed and mind down. Even if a old rifle may be a historical, effective and beautiful weapon, you would easily replaced it with a top modern machine gun. The same goes for JKD, its so well rounded, that only small adjustment may improve it. But the adjustments have to be cutting and not adding (will destroy).
@TheBaltimoreKnight ... and some words about "believe what is useful": If the JKD practicioner feel that JKD is not effective enough, and he feel he has to add something to it, like a ju-jitsu-throw.... He should rather make a own art, and stop to name what he is doing for JKD. Or else he is disrespectful to both Bruce Lee, and to the ju jitsu-art.
@tjoooda True, but I'm not talking about adding something to it and just calling it JKD. A fighter who fights only using JKD and not willing to expand his knowledge into what other arts may offer is stagnent. Even at the highest level of taught JKD, you have to be willing to improve. By adding, I mean improve. Bruce Lee never taught the highest level of JKD. It is custom especially in Japanese schools not to teach a student everything you know, because the student may use it against you.
hey faggot wtf are u talking about i just said i dint loose plus i sayd DID not do fuck head cant u read i LEFT mma not ufc idiot there are other promotions and leagues and i was fighting amateur not pro idiot i left because i prefered boxing in MY opinion i think it requires much more stamina power awarness and all round skill but thats my opinion some people disagree who cares everybody is entitled to his/her own opinion and im middle weight so computer geek shut the fuck up u dont know shit..
can't hang with grappling huh? thats ok I can't wait to start my amatuer record and show you how its done. by the way you and floyd make a perfect couple to hate on mma.
wtf are u talking about i didnt loose idiot are u retarted and ok go right ahead start a career but in the mean time dont talk about shit u know nothing about i can say what i lik about mma coz ive done it and i will go hang with floyde on his side coz ufc is a gay white sport for beer drinking american anglo idiots that cant box and cant keep up with ethnic people like italians latinos blacks asians islanders arabs jews eastern europeans and natives so they made their own sport what gay lords
u faggets do know that bruce lee wasnt just a stage fighter he also did paticipate in actual fights u fuckers he lead the way for mma and made non asian white and black people able to participate in practicing martial arts so beforeu diss karate and kung fu and all that and say that bruce lee would get raped in the cocktagon shut up and realis if it wernt for him u wouldnt have ur bullshit ufc and all that shit so shut the fuck up
where were u when the gracies was kicking everybodies ass in the early 90's.?Nobody could counter them until ppl started doing their shit. Now they are adding other battle tested styles to counter bjj which led to evolving mma even further. If a gracie heard they would just armbar u.
dude where the fuck were u i was simply defending his name u fuckface sure its been molded along the way but he simply lead the way now have a cry somewhere else faggot ass punk
This is how Azzurry Street prays at night: I love bruce, bruce where are u I love, come back to me bruce lee, bruce leeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I need u I hate mma. I hate bjj, muay thai and wrestling because because they can kick my ass. help me bruce leeeeeeeeee. come back from the grave and finish mma foreverrrrrrrrrrr.
wtf are u on childish fuck u are so gay i never even said i hate wrestling bjj and muay thai u fucking retard but bjj and wrestling by themselves are boring to watch muay thai is good u spastic i dont know what ur smoking i am a boxer that trained in mma for 2 years and i never lost a fight my record is 15 -0 with 15 ko's so buddy shut the fuck up they, whoever they is cannot kick my ass
for real? what weight class? why aren't u in the ufc? maybe u can't keep the fight standing like chuck. So u got submitted. ahh what a shame. Don't hate on us grapplers for being so boring.
Dam I wish u wake up. Bruce vs Royce would've been an eye opener that nobody especially Lee could've countered Royce. THe gracies had something that evolved martial arts forever. Its called a ground game. Was bruce's ground game on the level with royce, HELL NO. We need to see the truth and stop all the Lee worshipping. Even GSP gives prop to Royce and his family for the truth.
mma was influenced by the gracies and bjj how they revolutionized the marital arts world forever. all that bruce lee kung fu stuff got thrown out. Now ppl are on to bjj and add other styles that are actually battle tested like muay thai, judo, boxing, sambo, and wrestling. that is how we have modern mma. By the way, dana only said bruce was the father of mma just for business but deep down he knows what works! Get off of bruce's nuts.
BJJ is a style not a Mixed Martial Art...It revolutionized it by showing the world that ground fighting is also a major requirement. There you go again with this "all that bruce lee kung fu stuff". It's a concept you dipshit, his way of expressing himself on film. Do you think this stuff he's doing is actually what he would be doing in the streets..You're a dumbshit to believe that and Dana White's analogy on him...
don't get mad @ me cause all that bruce lee jkd stuff is unbattle tested on real comp like gsp, forest, liddell, lyoto etc... these guys prove what works. call me names but that just proves my facts are true. royce by whatever he wants over bruce;)
Bruce Lee told people to be well rounded JKD focuses not on one style. Back in the ufc people would use one style, Gracie only showed jui juitsu. Now in todays MMA people are all well rounded, they know bjj,boxing,kick boxing, muay thai, wrestling, etc. They dont use one style anymore which is what Bruce Lee philosiphy was, to not do one style but to be like water. This is why Dana white said bruce lee is the godfather of MMA look at the fighters today they dont focus on one style.
He studied every style, wrestling, western boxing, chinese kung fu. he also was in great shape, his training methods were ground breaking. Bruce Lee would have done real good in mma, bruce is mma.
@TheDom12345 UFC started as a tournament that pitted one fighter of each style against each other in a limited rules, no rounds, no weight divisions cage fight, Joyce Gracie had horrible and I mean horrible striking, yet he beat them all. Along came the 2nd tournament, he beat them all yet again!!! At this point strikers are starting to think outside the box and go wait a sec this guy might be on to something, long story short, UFC wasn't MMA in the beginning, it was a free for all of styles.
jeez...why does everyone think BJJ is MMA?...it's its own style and form which utilizes the ground attack...yea the Gracies were great but come on..
Bruce was the first person to discourage styles..to not only fight with BJJ but also with Muay Thai, Judo, etc...that's what the JKD concept is about..which basically translates to MMA..which is why Dana White called Bruce the father of MMA
Stop it with the dana white said this crap. Dana is a business junky out for the money and will say anything to get to the publics interest. Look fact is that bruce only flirted with other styles and stood by his stand up all the way. C'mon now, he died when he was 32. So in order to master all other styles takes times especially ground fighting. Bruce never pulled guard or did triangles, rear chokes etc.. Bruce is not an unbeatable god. Bruce is a talented HUMAN thats it.
Bruce did quite a bit more than flirt with other styles. He analyzed the strengths and weaknesses of each style and addressed different ranges of combat. He cross-trained in wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu learning the importantance of the ground game from sparring with grapplers. Were his ground skills on Royce Gracie's level? Certainly not but if he could defend against his takedowns and keep the fight standing he'd have a chance to win. We'll never know how good he truly was.
OMG just stop it, I am sick of ppl defending bruce when know one in his time or the early 90s knew how to counter the gracies and their ground game. Even shamrock or the hardcore wrestlers got caught. It was after gracie jiu-jitsu got exposed is when the likes of sakuraba and others countered their game. GSP even said this. I'm sorry but bruce would've got lit-up by royce, rickson, or even royler for that matter. Bruce was good but not unstoppable!
You think Sakuraba beat Royce because BJJ was exposed to the world? He beat him because he was a catch wrestler with a good takedown and submission defense. Masahiko Kimura a Judo master beat Helio Gracie way back in 1955. The Gracies were not invincible prior to the exposure of BJJ to the world. You come close to deifying them by suggesting otherwise. Bruce Lee knew grappling. That doesn't mean he could beat Royce Gracie but the possibility shouldn't be ruled out.
dude bruce;s grappling was chicken scratch. His books were virtually based on stand up not mount to armbar or guard to omo plata. Kimura was the only judoka that practiced newaza I should know cause I am a judoka and know the history. There were other catch guys but sakuraba is the only one successful vs. the gracies. Besides saku and Kimura proved what they can do and theres fight footage from the 50' to 90s on these men. Bruce no fight footage at all
Kimura was not the only judoka to practice Ne-waza. Several schools taught ground grappling during this time period. It's true that we Bruce Lee had no known fight footage of himself in competition. That's why we can only speculate on his abilities. In my opinion Bruce would have been a great fighter if he competed in MMA in his prime with all his Martial Arts knowledge and training. Bruce was way ahead of his time. Jeet Kune Do is a concept MMA fighters should aspire to.
Go back and look at Royce Gracie's fights with Kimo and Keith Hackney. They were bigger men but neither fighter had extensive grappling training and Royce had a hard time taking them down. Bruce Lee had great balance plus grappling training. If he had the oppurtunity to watch Royce in action, studying his opponent before the fight I'm sure that he'd devise a strategy that may just work. We'll never know but I think Bruce deserves respect for his contribution to the Martial Arts.
ok mysticninjajay I will show respect cause ur a fan or marital arts or might be a practioner I will end this discussion. The reason I did not find ur points strong enough to change my mind cause u used other fighters to make ur point. Then again u have no choice cause there is no bruce fight footage. I can at least agree that bruce does deserve respect for his contribution nothing more:)
Like I said we can only speculate on Bruce Lee's abilities. What is for certain is that he was a committed Martial Artist who dedicated his life to being the most well-conditioned Complete Martial Artist he could be. I agree with Bas Rutten that if Bruce Lee were to magically wake from the dead in his prime with his prior knowledge and have an MMA fight with top contenders and champs he would lose. But if he had a year to train for MMA and study film of his opponent he'd do well.
that was some weak mma. bruce is great at stage combat (so is mel gibson, see lethal weapon 4) the idea that he could hang with today's mma fighters is crazy. that ground game was looking especially weak.
its a martial art that bruce lee invented that's not used in pro mma because it doesn't work. sorta like kung fu. anybody can win a fight in a movie where they are the star, check out "kingdom of heaven" orlando bloom kills like a hundred people. it's a movie! it's stage combat! it's not real! ask your sensei for a refund.
JKD is a philosophy numb-nuts. It aint a style, and it's used in every fighter today in its concept of MMA.. What are riding the youtube marry-go-round??? Listening off what other people are saying and sticking with that?! This shit he's doing is just for show of his abilities..His concepts!! Oh, No duh dumbshit it's a movie. Does that make him a fake if he never did contact competition?! No. He's a fighter not a sport fighter..Research buddy, lots of it...Good day.
@puto71379 the term skinny refers to someone being extremely thin, no muscle mass etc....bruce lee had almost no fat whatsoever..just muscle, skin, and bone...not skinny lol. That is why he is refered to as having one of the fittest bodies in the world. :D
Those throws are not Aikido or Judo throws. That is pure, Shuai Chiao Kung Fu.
shanoknowsmma 6 months ago
sempre..
wuyanchu 9 months ago
he beat hes ass
explodeAtom101 1 year ago
haha, fat guy played a role in Yip Man 2, the one got killed.
alan513 1 year ago
BJ PENN VS. BRUCE LEE..... :)
chrisSosa 1 year ago
that was the worst excuse for an armbar ive ever seen lol
pelopota 1 year ago
sound cant be more off.
SebDice 2 years ago
Lee's ideology has also been effectively proven several times, in non-contact and full-contact kickboxing competition, by Joe Lewis. Okay, so Lee could hit fast and hard, the Gracies proved jujitsu grappling is a major key to victory in the octagon. How would Bruce Lee have handled that? Those who know anything about Bruce Lee's realistic approach to combat are aware he had over 33 grappling maneuvers in his repertoire.
hwoarangtaekwondo 2 years ago
In my opinion bruce would've got owned by bj penn, gracie, sudo, gomi, sanchez, diaz, kid etc... all the light weight comp out there right now. All I am saying is if bruce was in his prime and would've trained like those fighters mentioned above then lee would be a contender. I do not know about champ cause its hard work, but for sure a mma fighter. Ppl are making him out to be a god that was already mma material during the 70s. He would not be ready w/ those skills. Bas Rutten said that.
aquin520 2 years ago
as dana white said it when he took over mma, he called bruce lee the father of mma because the sport itself ecompasses all major forms of fighting. if bruce lee were still alive, he'd also be a student of the ground game since that was opening up his own eyes before he passed away. he was studying the ground game before he died read up on it.
Trojan562 2 years ago
@aquin520 Jeet Kune Do was a growing martial art in that it was taking many aspects away from other martial arts. In english it translates to the "way of the OPEN fist" meaning that it is open to ALL FORMS. as i said before, if bruce lee were alive today, he'd be studying the ground game and adapting it in to his own style. so don't give me this bs about how these guys will "mop the floor" with him.
Trojan562 2 years ago 2
why is it that the jkd community or bruce lee fans can't admit that bruce was a one dimenional fighter? most MMA ppl like bas for example understood that bruce would've lost an mma match. Bruce was good back in the 70s cause nobody knew how to fight. Now, we got utlimate fighting which encourages well roundedness. We could fight these days. I understand the respect factor for bruce but cmon. be real. bruce lee is beatable not the hype u see in his films.
aquin520 2 years ago
@aquin520 Lee was "one dimensional"
wtf?
you're talking about a guy who was studying, Ju-Jitsu (Wally Jay), Judo (Gene LeBelle and others), Kenpo (Inosanto, Parker, others), Fencing (his brother Peter), Boxing, TKD (Rhee), and whatever else he could find. Savate, Escrima, Muay Thai, Hapkido... anything...
and you call him one dimensional?
tjprodigy 1 year ago
@aquin520 Humans have been fighting against each other, as long as we have been existed. In ancient times we knew more about how we should kill each ohter, then we do today. And we also had the ability to mentally in fact preform it!! Based on Bas comments, it is easy to see that he dont know much about JKD and Bruce Lee. What Bas is doing, is not fighing. It is sport. A little child "know" more what fighing is, becuase its part of the child instinct. Bas sabotage his own natural instincts.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda Bas' comments were in regard to the sport, not in a street fight. Bruce would be limited to what he could do. In a street fight, He'd probably bite a chunk out of Silva's arm or leg if he tried to do a submission on him, but you can't do that in MMA competitions.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight The rules would limit not only Bruce, but also the opponent. He was so fast that he could fire fire a single lead to the head of the opponent (which is legal in MMA) in 1/500 of a second, after the game had started. The opponent would not have time even try to any tactical moves. The game would have been over nearly before it started. Rules or no rules.. does not matter. A target, what ever its legal to hit, its still a target.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda True, and I have great respect for Bruce's skill. It's just that if you take the knowledge that Bruce had when he was still living, and put him in the ring with a light weight Brazilian Jiu-jitsu fighter, all the fighter has to do is make Bruce miss and take him down. Bruces fighting style would actually work to a ground fighter's advantage because Bruce was a striker (limited ground know how) and he fought up close, so a ground fighter wouldn't worry about stalking him for a takedown.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight First of all... if Lee had missed, it would not have been because of the opponents skills, but rather a hypothetical error of LEE. Second of all; he would have followed up with several punches and kicks. And if the opponent was still alive, Lee would have pulled back in a splitsecond. Lee did not stay in a in-fight. But if he for some reason had to, he had simple but a lot more effective techniques to avoid takedowns, than what MMA-fighters use today.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda I agree. It wouldn't be easy to take Bruce down, because he would find all means to strike the opponent and Bruce could hit with the best of them and get a knock out easily with a body blow. And he was great with getting in and out of the opponent's range. However, a fighter would train for Bruce Lee and study his style. If at all possible, a Jiu-jitsu specialist were to take Bruce down, it would be a long day for Bruce if not a short one that would end up in an easy submission.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight The problem for the opponent is that Lee did not actually used a style. But he had a basic form, that scientific made it possible to apply the fasted, hardest and most economic way to punch, kick from all angels, move in any direction, was most balanced, protected the body best, and was most balanced. And Bruce Lee was 0 % telegraphic in his move. To try to study his possibly pattern, was like trying to predict numbers of a rolling dice. He had no pattern, only a basic form.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda True he is very unpredictable, but like you said, there lies his basic form. A few general things that a fighter would know about Bruce is that his strikes are usually close up lightening fast combos. Bruce could be exploited in between these combos with a wrap up take down right after he retracts from a combo. Bruces opponent also should use range to their advantage. Bruce fights up close and personal to take the opponent's range away. His opponent need to be the "Anti-Bruce".
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight If the opponent is "Anti-Bruce", then he is slow, unbalanced, weak, have useless power, and very very predictable. Lee could fight from long distance, medium- and close range. The only range that a opponent could take an advantage off, would be "very far away-range", and hopefully be able to run the hell out there. There were no tactics against Lee. To make plans against something unpredictable, is like fighting with a mirror, where the reflection moves "hours" before you.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight Continue from last post.... When you mentioned basic form: Analyse water; it has a basic form (H2O), but are still shapeless. And has no style. You cannot physical attack something that is shapeless, like water. Only chemical, but then the fight has to involve weapons. Perfect preformed JKD has a basic form and is complete free of shape and style.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda But obviously Bruce is was not invinsible. He could be beaten.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight If something very unusual had happen, he might have been beaten. But that is very "what if". For example, what if he slipped, what if he suddenly got ill, what if he was injured before a fight, what if he was really tired, what if, what if, what if.. Bruce Lee would have in neutral situations won 99 % of the the fights. And that is quite invinsible. If someone were able to beat him... this somenone would be the one who were the invinsible. But so far, no one is even close.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda I wouldn't say that much. It's like the saying in football, "Any given Sunday". On any given day, there is somebody out there that could defeat him and vice versa.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight It's still the same answer. Everything is possible, but we are not talking about extreme situations. Its like comparing a grandmother beating up Mike Tyson. Its very, very unlikely, but on "any given day", it miiiiiight happen. So if you want to be more specific, lets convert the question to: "What is most REALISTIC to happen, if Bruce LEE met MMA-fighters in a MMA-fight (or eventually a real fights); would it be tight fights, would he undoubtedly loose or undoubtedly win?"
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda Well, Bruce practiced what he developed and called Jeet Kune Do. Jeet Kune Do is in itself a mixed martial art, and comparing Jeet Kune Do to the well rounded MMA fighter, does Jeet Kune Do have a good ground fighting system? How would Bruce do in the ring with Royce Gracie in his prime? Royce has fought Kung Fu experts and won easily, without throwing one punch and he took some strikes while at it too. They could hit just as hard as Bruce.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight No, JKD is NOT a mma. To use combine karatekicks and boxingpuncehes is to mix parts of different a styles. But to totally disassemble hundred of arts down to biomecanic foundations, combine it with advanced anatomy, physics and physiology, and rebuild something totaly new, thats Lee's JKD. Lee would never have ended in a ground fight; now you are back to "what if". Sure someone could strike just as hard, but Lee was hit and moved both WAY faster and smarter.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda By mma, I'm talking straight mixed martial arts. JKD is a blend of "things" from other martial arts practices, making it in the essence of meaning, a martial art that is mixed, however it is a new martial art, but it is not closed. JKD masters I'm sure are free to add things to JKD to improve the art. Today I saw that JKD has a proficient ground fighting element, and with the popularity of MMA and BJJ, it would only benefit to mix in useful tactics and strategies from MMA and BJJ.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight No, JKD. masters are NOT allowed to add something to JKD. If you are doing that, its JKD consept, and is not the real JKD. However, you might sharpen JKD a little, with simplify the all ready existing techniques. Because thats whats JKD is all about, to simplify. You dont sharpen a sword by adding metal. To add techniques to JKD, like Inosanto is doing is not to simplify. Its making a show and sport of it. And want work in real combat.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight .....and you cannot compare kung fu-experts to Bruce Lee. He met one of the greatest kung-fu-experts in the world and he won easily. The kung-fu-guy was just running away all the time. And this was even long before JKD was near its hight of development. Lee was then furious because he had not beaten this guy in under a minute. So he continued his development of JKD to something far greater.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda Bruce Lee was truly special. I wish I could train with him. Is there any video of this fight. The only videos I can find of him sparring in real time is vintage poor quality black and white films with no varying angles and they were for demonstrations which mean he was probably taking it easy on the guy or it was either for sport when they would stop they would stop the engagement after the opponent was hit.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight Who would not? :) No, no video of that so far i know. But if you want to train JKD, there are plenty of schools around the world that promote themselves with the name JKD. Over 90 % off them are not doing JKD. You have to read literature by Bruce Lee and about Bruce Lee, to find out who is doing real JKD. I dont thing I am allowed to give make a advertisement of which book you should read, but I may send you the literature by a message if you want.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda Yeah, you can send that to me in a message. I'm just saying and let me know if you agree or not, but a JKD practicioner should be willing add what he believes is useful at leat to his own fighting knowledge if not to the art itself. If that were not the case, Bruce Lee would just be a Wing Chun expert rather than a well rounded and diversed fighter.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight Let me put it this way: If you were an soldier in a war, you would only arm yourself with the weapons of highest quality. Everything extra adding would slow both your speed and mind down. Even if a old rifle may be a historical, effective and beautiful weapon, you would easily replaced it with a top modern machine gun. The same goes for JKD, its so well rounded, that only small adjustment may improve it. But the adjustments have to be cutting and not adding (will destroy).
tjoooda 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight ... and some words about "believe what is useful": If the JKD practicioner feel that JKD is not effective enough, and he feel he has to add something to it, like a ju-jitsu-throw.... He should rather make a own art, and stop to name what he is doing for JKD. Or else he is disrespectful to both Bruce Lee, and to the ju jitsu-art.
tjoooda 1 year ago
@tjoooda True, but I'm not talking about adding something to it and just calling it JKD. A fighter who fights only using JKD and not willing to expand his knowledge into what other arts may offer is stagnent. Even at the highest level of taught JKD, you have to be willing to improve. By adding, I mean improve. Bruce Lee never taught the highest level of JKD. It is custom especially in Japanese schools not to teach a student everything you know, because the student may use it against you.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@aquin520 ok, well I can agree with you here, if Bruce was here in 2010 he would be better than he was in 1973. (If he was the same age I mean -32)
It's the "one dimensional" thing where I think you are way off.
tjprodigy 1 year ago
bruce lee =kung fu boxing judo and wrestling
jblaze708 2 years ago
holy smokes is that a crucifix? look how easily he transitions into it.
stealth082 2 years ago
Is this Enter The Dragon? I just saw the entire Bruce lee collection but this scene wasn't in it, and neither was Enter the Dragon.
avenger1000 2 years ago
that's Sammo Hung he's fighting... a legend in his own right
tempest864 2 years ago
hey faggot wtf are u talking about i just said i dint loose plus i sayd DID not do fuck head cant u read i LEFT mma not ufc idiot there are other promotions and leagues and i was fighting amateur not pro idiot i left because i prefered boxing in MY opinion i think it requires much more stamina power awarness and all round skill but thats my opinion some people disagree who cares everybody is entitled to his/her own opinion and im middle weight so computer geek shut the fuck up u dont know shit..
AzzurryStreet 2 years ago
can't hang with grappling huh? thats ok I can't wait to start my amatuer record and show you how its done. by the way you and floyd make a perfect couple to hate on mma.
aquin520 2 years ago
wtf are u talking about i didnt loose idiot are u retarted and ok go right ahead start a career but in the mean time dont talk about shit u know nothing about i can say what i lik about mma coz ive done it and i will go hang with floyde on his side coz ufc is a gay white sport for beer drinking american anglo idiots that cant box and cant keep up with ethnic people like italians latinos blacks asians islanders arabs jews eastern europeans and natives so they made their own sport what gay lords
AzzurryStreet 2 years ago
u faggets do know that bruce lee wasnt just a stage fighter he also did paticipate in actual fights u fuckers he lead the way for mma and made non asian white and black people able to participate in practicing martial arts so beforeu diss karate and kung fu and all that and say that bruce lee would get raped in the cocktagon shut up and realis if it wernt for him u wouldnt have ur bullshit ufc and all that shit so shut the fuck up
AzzurryStreet 2 years ago
where were u when the gracies was kicking everybodies ass in the early 90's.?Nobody could counter them until ppl started doing their shit. Now they are adding other battle tested styles to counter bjj which led to evolving mma even further. If a gracie heard they would just armbar u.
aquin520 2 years ago
dude where the fuck were u i was simply defending his name u fuckface sure its been molded along the way but he simply lead the way now have a cry somewhere else faggot ass punk
AzzurryStreet 2 years ago
This is how Azzurry Street prays at night: I love bruce, bruce where are u I love, come back to me bruce lee, bruce leeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I need u I hate mma. I hate bjj, muay thai and wrestling because because they can kick my ass. help me bruce leeeeeeeeee. come back from the grave and finish mma foreverrrrrrrrrrr.
aquin520 2 years ago
wtf are u on childish fuck u are so gay i never even said i hate wrestling bjj and muay thai u fucking retard but bjj and wrestling by themselves are boring to watch muay thai is good u spastic i dont know what ur smoking i am a boxer that trained in mma for 2 years and i never lost a fight my record is 15 -0 with 15 ko's so buddy shut the fuck up they, whoever they is cannot kick my ass
AzzurryStreet 2 years ago
for real? what weight class? why aren't u in the ufc? maybe u can't keep the fight standing like chuck. So u got submitted. ahh what a shame. Don't hate on us grapplers for being so boring.
aquin520 2 years ago
yeah well wat about dan severn he was all wrestle
jard1o1 2 years ago
Bruce lee also knew jui juitsu, if he fought in the gracie days he would have probably been undefeated.
Bruce Lee vs Royce Gracie dam i wish that happened..
TheDom12345 2 years ago
Dam I wish u wake up. Bruce vs Royce would've been an eye opener that nobody especially Lee could've countered Royce. THe gracies had something that evolved martial arts forever. Its called a ground game. Was bruce's ground game on the level with royce, HELL NO. We need to see the truth and stop all the Lee worshipping. Even GSP gives prop to Royce and his family for the truth.
aquin520 2 years ago
You are correct but Bruce Lee would have probably trained his ass off learning ground game before the fight.
TheDom12345 2 years ago
nah, that wasn't an arm bar. If he fought royce like that in ufc 1 he would lose for sure. Royce by real arm bar :)
aquin520 2 years ago
Well considering that he would be about in his mid- to upper sixties when the UFC was exploding!..Lol, what a fucking homer..
xchargerOUx 2 years ago
mma was influenced by the gracies and bjj how they revolutionized the marital arts world forever. all that bruce lee kung fu stuff got thrown out. Now ppl are on to bjj and add other styles that are actually battle tested like muay thai, judo, boxing, sambo, and wrestling. that is how we have modern mma. By the way, dana only said bruce was the father of mma just for business but deep down he knows what works! Get off of bruce's nuts.
aquin520 2 years ago
BJJ is a style not a Mixed Martial Art...It revolutionized it by showing the world that ground fighting is also a major requirement. There you go again with this "all that bruce lee kung fu stuff". It's a concept you dipshit, his way of expressing himself on film. Do you think this stuff he's doing is actually what he would be doing in the streets..You're a dumbshit to believe that and Dana White's analogy on him...
What a fucking Choad-smoker...XDXD
xchargerOUx 2 years ago
don't get mad @ me cause all that bruce lee jkd stuff is unbattle tested on real comp like gsp, forest, liddell, lyoto etc... these guys prove what works. call me names but that just proves my facts are true. royce by whatever he wants over bruce;)
aquin520 2 years ago
Bruce Lee told people to be well rounded JKD focuses not on one style. Back in the ufc people would use one style, Gracie only showed jui juitsu. Now in todays MMA people are all well rounded, they know bjj,boxing,kick boxing, muay thai, wrestling, etc. They dont use one style anymore which is what Bruce Lee philosiphy was, to not do one style but to be like water. This is why Dana white said bruce lee is the godfather of MMA look at the fighters today they dont focus on one style.
TheDom12345 2 years ago 10
He studied every style, wrestling, western boxing, chinese kung fu. he also was in great shape, his training methods were ground breaking. Bruce Lee would have done real good in mma, bruce is mma.
jasonpeak82 2 years ago
@TheDom12345 UFC started as a tournament that pitted one fighter of each style against each other in a limited rules, no rounds, no weight divisions cage fight, Joyce Gracie had horrible and I mean horrible striking, yet he beat them all. Along came the 2nd tournament, he beat them all yet again!!! At this point strikers are starting to think outside the box and go wait a sec this guy might be on to something, long story short, UFC wasn't MMA in the beginning, it was a free for all of styles.
M8B9N 1 year ago
jeez...why does everyone think BJJ is MMA?...it's its own style and form which utilizes the ground attack...yea the Gracies were great but come on..
Bruce was the first person to discourage styles..to not only fight with BJJ but also with Muay Thai, Judo, etc...that's what the JKD concept is about..which basically translates to MMA..which is why Dana White called Bruce the father of MMA
oneman91 2 years ago 4
Stop it with the dana white said this crap. Dana is a business junky out for the money and will say anything to get to the publics interest. Look fact is that bruce only flirted with other styles and stood by his stand up all the way. C'mon now, he died when he was 32. So in order to master all other styles takes times especially ground fighting. Bruce never pulled guard or did triangles, rear chokes etc.. Bruce is not an unbeatable god. Bruce is a talented HUMAN thats it.
aquin520 2 years ago
Bruce did quite a bit more than flirt with other styles. He analyzed the strengths and weaknesses of each style and addressed different ranges of combat. He cross-trained in wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu learning the importantance of the ground game from sparring with grapplers. Were his ground skills on Royce Gracie's level? Certainly not but if he could defend against his takedowns and keep the fight standing he'd have a chance to win. We'll never know how good he truly was.
MysticNinjaJay 2 years ago
OMG just stop it, I am sick of ppl defending bruce when know one in his time or the early 90s knew how to counter the gracies and their ground game. Even shamrock or the hardcore wrestlers got caught. It was after gracie jiu-jitsu got exposed is when the likes of sakuraba and others countered their game. GSP even said this. I'm sorry but bruce would've got lit-up by royce, rickson, or even royler for that matter. Bruce was good but not unstoppable!
aquin520 2 years ago
You think Sakuraba beat Royce because BJJ was exposed to the world? He beat him because he was a catch wrestler with a good takedown and submission defense. Masahiko Kimura a Judo master beat Helio Gracie way back in 1955. The Gracies were not invincible prior to the exposure of BJJ to the world. You come close to deifying them by suggesting otherwise. Bruce Lee knew grappling. That doesn't mean he could beat Royce Gracie but the possibility shouldn't be ruled out.
MysticNinjaJay 2 years ago
dude bruce;s grappling was chicken scratch. His books were virtually based on stand up not mount to armbar or guard to omo plata. Kimura was the only judoka that practiced newaza I should know cause I am a judoka and know the history. There were other catch guys but sakuraba is the only one successful vs. the gracies. Besides saku and Kimura proved what they can do and theres fight footage from the 50' to 90s on these men. Bruce no fight footage at all
aquin520 2 years ago
Kimura was not the only judoka to practice Ne-waza. Several schools taught ground grappling during this time period. It's true that we Bruce Lee had no known fight footage of himself in competition. That's why we can only speculate on his abilities. In my opinion Bruce would have been a great fighter if he competed in MMA in his prime with all his Martial Arts knowledge and training. Bruce was way ahead of his time. Jeet Kune Do is a concept MMA fighters should aspire to.
MysticNinjaJay 2 years ago
Go back and look at Royce Gracie's fights with Kimo and Keith Hackney. They were bigger men but neither fighter had extensive grappling training and Royce had a hard time taking them down. Bruce Lee had great balance plus grappling training. If he had the oppurtunity to watch Royce in action, studying his opponent before the fight I'm sure that he'd devise a strategy that may just work. We'll never know but I think Bruce deserves respect for his contribution to the Martial Arts.
MysticNinjaJay 2 years ago
ok mysticninjajay I will show respect cause ur a fan or marital arts or might be a practioner I will end this discussion. The reason I did not find ur points strong enough to change my mind cause u used other fighters to make ur point. Then again u have no choice cause there is no bruce fight footage. I can at least agree that bruce does deserve respect for his contribution nothing more:)
aquin520 2 years ago
Like I said we can only speculate on Bruce Lee's abilities. What is for certain is that he was a committed Martial Artist who dedicated his life to being the most well-conditioned Complete Martial Artist he could be. I agree with Bas Rutten that if Bruce Lee were to magically wake from the dead in his prime with his prior knowledge and have an MMA fight with top contenders and champs he would lose. But if he had a year to train for MMA and study film of his opponent he'd do well.
MysticNinjaJay 2 years ago
that was some weak mma. bruce is great at stage combat (so is mel gibson, see lethal weapon 4) the idea that he could hang with today's mma fighters is crazy. that ground game was looking especially weak.
dougerber 2 years ago
Do you even know what JKD is? or what its purpose for philosophy is..choad boy!..
xchargerOUx 2 years ago
its a martial art that bruce lee invented that's not used in pro mma because it doesn't work. sorta like kung fu. anybody can win a fight in a movie where they are the star, check out "kingdom of heaven" orlando bloom kills like a hundred people. it's a movie! it's stage combat! it's not real! ask your sensei for a refund.
dougerber 2 years ago
JKD is a philosophy numb-nuts. It aint a style, and it's used in every fighter today in its concept of MMA.. What are riding the youtube marry-go-round??? Listening off what other people are saying and sticking with that?! This shit he's doing is just for show of his abilities..His concepts!! Oh, No duh dumbshit it's a movie. Does that make him a fake if he never did contact competition?! No. He's a fighter not a sport fighter..Research buddy, lots of it...Good day.
xchargerOUx 2 years ago
uhhh, that was the farthest thing from an MMA fight ever captured on film.
johnblaster 2 years ago
Early SHOOTO demonstrations resembled these, mostly because no one had any idea of what to expect.
Dynaman21 2 years ago
damn doing arm bars back in the 70's...30+ years ago!
tysvang 2 years ago
sound is out of sync but good video bad quality though
caniplzwatch 2 years ago
randy couture called bruce lee the father of mma
Mudjin 2 years ago
SO bruce was doing MMA 20-25 years before the phenomena ever appeared?
Proves he was yet another individual way ahead of his time.
addeps3 2 years ago 2
did u watch the video?
therealgeeza 2 years ago
Fuckin right
addeps3 2 years ago
damn he was skinny as shit
puto71379 2 years ago
Lol like the "Laurel and Hardy" show!
JumentoIdiota 2 years ago
@puto71379 the term skinny refers to someone being extremely thin, no muscle mass etc....bruce lee had almost no fat whatsoever..just muscle, skin, and bone...not skinny lol. That is why he is refered to as having one of the fittest bodies in the world. :D
JKDcalvin 1 year ago
@puto71379 But it was all muscle, and he was stronger than anyone you've ever known.
Throbend 1 year ago
"Bruce Lee vs fat guy"
Woaa that sentence hearted my ears a lot hehe.
The fat guy is Sammo Hung ;) . Use google if you don't know who he is.
BloodyMaug 3 years ago 5
i didnt notice that! but now the sentence is funny!
JumentoIdiota 3 years ago
and bruce lee gets the tap!
noestabien 3 years ago