Look at that sound on the lower strings, all that warmth and "golden" sound just carries through to the higher notes where it becomes sugar sweet. Those chords are just something else....
OMG! What a sound from that violin...never mind it's old gramaphone. I have heard of Kreisler's sound, but now I know why it was what it is. So warm ... indescribable.
Bach, Kreisler, speaking to God...never mind the vibrato or slides...Those Baroque supposed specialist cannot do the quarter of what we are hearing here...
Wonderful recording. I haven't heard Kreisler play Bach before and didn't realize how fantastic a Bach player he was. He combines the musical depth with the deep, rich sonorous tone. I would love to hear more! But thank you for posting this.
I am not surprised you moderns dont like this recording in point, in truth, in fact-- it is sublime.
Western culture and western music is almost dead anyway you guys are merely a phantom echo of a shadow debate that, which ever side prevails , has already lost
i would never want to sound as though i am knocking it, but i am shocked at the number of slides he uses during this piece! i really appreciate being able to hear 'into the past' listening to this beautiful old record. a snapshot of what was once considered to be ideal violin playing - just shows how our tastes change over the years, perhaps from having more data to consider at this present date. thanks so much for posting!
Kreisler was a Master of "glissando" playing. Others tried to imitate him but few could do it as well as he did. In Bach however, that's another matter but he brings his personal technique to it also so let's just enjoy his style!
Agreed,although,at the time,this style of playing was new.You only have to compare this with Joachim's recording to appreciate that glissando was used much less only a few years before. Kreisler's tone is superb(although,to my ears,Elman and Prihoda had better) My problem with this recording is the thorny issue of the appropriateness of vibrato in baroque music.
Kreisler's ultimate personality is heard in this rendition of Bach. He was eloquent in this movement. Yes, I agree, restrained interpretation, and full of life as was he. Such a spokesman for his singing instrument, no?
Re forkjitsu's comment...my understanding was Kreisler, along with some other soloists, might tune a bit higher that A=440 (or whatever was orchestra pitch were there an orchestra) perhaps with slightly wide 5ths (the low G would be pretty much in tune) or whatever the piano was tuned. However, not anything close to essentially 1/2 step (100 cents) higher.
For a short period of time after I had done my annual motor cleaning/lubricating, it was running at 80 rpm instead of 78.26. This may have been posted before I realized and corrected that.
This is great Bach playing. Yes, there are some stylistic quibbles...but, they essence of this playing is wonderful tone, great sense of line & architecture. There are, too, little turns coming out of the trills that are rarely done now. As mentioned by jess3873 the pitch is roughly 1/2 step high, resulting from the recording/playback chain.
Posting this "video" allows us viewers a great opportunity.
No one has made a Bach solo sonata gorgeous before or after Kreisler. He was acknowledged by his contemporaries to be of another world.
Huberman describes hearing his Chaconne and being put into that other world, and not being able to understand how it was done even as Kreisler was right in front of him.
He refused to pracice since the age of twenty, but created constantly. Cutting those corners affected his playing in middle age, but his audience knew they would hear nothing like it again.
Superb! Beautifully played. He has extremely high musicality! I know that this piece is hard to count each note. The timing is very difficult. My son played in his recital.
The freedom and virility of Kreisler's playing are really fantastic. Compared to Joachim's rather dry reading, everybody must acknowledge that Kreisler's art was an enormous development in violin art.
This recording should be heard by every modern recording engineer. It is subtle and extraordinary! 78's were and are fantastic. I'm living in the wrong time. I want to go back and live in Germany in 1928.
Who said old technology is less? The sound is superb. It's amazing that with rudimentary equipments they could reproduce this kind of good quality music. I don't care about little scratchs.
Thank you! The performance I grew up with -- it was the final side, I think, on the 78s we had of Kreisler playing the Beethoven Concerto. For its time it is a surprisingly vivid and lifelike recording.
After years of being sneered at, the improvisational sense Kreisler brings to it is now rather like some of today's period instrument practioners.
Thank you for posting and your comment. I think this is fantastic, and Back would be very appreciative if he listened to this. Kreisler is a very special violinist who really understand how to interprete the piece in his way of music expression. It is sad to see that some people are not nice at all.
If you look at my earliest postings, I show and describe the machine. Yes, the light is original. The turntable motor is electric but reproduction is acoustic. You can see a mounting bracket on the side of the tone arm where an electric reproducer used to be mounted. You could chose between electrical and acoustical reproduction on this monster machine.
Whatever the critics may say that this is dated, it is not! I fully agree; your remarks are very pertinent and to the point - it's simply a matter of personal approach and not of intrinsic quality. The intrinsic quality is, and will always be, transcendent violin playing, disregarding the opinion of a public of a specific period or social environment.
Look at that sound on the lower strings, all that warmth and "golden" sound just carries through to the higher notes where it becomes sugar sweet. Those chords are just something else....
ksviewerx 10 months ago
OMG! What a sound from that violin...never mind it's old gramaphone. I have heard of Kreisler's sound, but now I know why it was what it is. So warm ... indescribable.
ksviewerx 11 months ago
Bach, Kreisler, speaking to God...never mind the vibrato or slides...Those Baroque supposed specialist cannot do the quarter of what we are hearing here...
violinistcomposer 11 months ago
Thank you :-)
juuja1 1 year ago
Wonderful recording. I haven't heard Kreisler play Bach before and didn't realize how fantastic a Bach player he was. He combines the musical depth with the deep, rich sonorous tone. I would love to hear more! But thank you for posting this.
PrimroseCello 1 year ago
@PrimroseCello I'm afraid that there is only one other Kreisler Bach recording - an acoustic Double Concerto.
merrihew 1 year ago
My favorite rendition of this piece, thanks for uploading.
sherom 2 years ago
I am not surprised you moderns dont like this recording in point, in truth, in fact-- it is sublime.
Western culture and western music is almost dead anyway you guys are merely a phantom echo of a shadow debate that, which ever side prevails , has already lost
kellymich 2 years ago
i would never want to sound as though i am knocking it, but i am shocked at the number of slides he uses during this piece! i really appreciate being able to hear 'into the past' listening to this beautiful old record. a snapshot of what was once considered to be ideal violin playing - just shows how our tastes change over the years, perhaps from having more data to consider at this present date. thanks so much for posting!
appletreemusic1 2 years ago
Kreisler was a Master of "glissando" playing. Others tried to imitate him but few could do it as well as he did. In Bach however, that's another matter but he brings his personal technique to it also so let's just enjoy his style!
goldie0800 2 years ago
agreed. it is not hard to enjoy! thanks so much for your insight, i'm sure it will help others.
appletreemusic1 2 years ago
Agreed,although,at the time,this style of playing was new.You only have to compare this with Joachim's recording to appreciate that glissando was used much less only a few years before. Kreisler's tone is superb(although,to my ears,Elman and Prihoda had better) My problem with this recording is the thorny issue of the appropriateness of vibrato in baroque music.
shiveringflower 2 years ago
however, the slides are completely opposite to the writing style of bach and baroque in general
crazy77town 2 years ago
Your Recorder is great... i feel very amazing. Thanks for play your recorder and uploading this. Bravo!
ChocolaMeiure 2 years ago
these style may be not the way that bach should be played but i love the way it sounds bravo!!!
ZsoltMagyar 2 years ago
Simply beautiful.... It sounds like Kreisler's shifting a lot in this piece. I wonder if his interpretation is written down somewhere...
MusicLover2840 2 years ago
incredible played.
rouman89 2 years ago
It's Half tone higher tune, It's in Gis sharp not in G sharp
takhirviolinest 2 years ago
Yes, I had already posted it again at the correct speed. I was playing at 78.26 rpm and it should be 76.
merrihew 2 years ago
I not understand at 78.26 rpm but It's not important, he play it Fantastic. Thank you for posting this video,
takhirviolinest 2 years ago
If you check my postings, you'll see that I've listed this twice. The newer posting is at the correct speed - in the correct key.
merrihew 2 years ago
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closetviolinista 2 years ago
I have reposted this at the correct speed.
merrihew 2 years ago
i have this record at home .. and alll the 9 other from his wonderful beethoven concerto
i love sooo much kreisler, he was bringing humanity on every music he played
no one else can touch my heart as him.. time of elegance is over...
marcoch91 2 years ago
The vibrato is alien to how Bach would have heard it.
shiveringflower 2 years ago
Yes it is. So is most other current Bach if for no other reason than the changes in instruments. The question is would he have liked it.
merrihew 2 years ago
Still, any chance to fix the pitch problem? It's actually hard to listen to being A flat minor instead of G minor.
symfotroll 2 years ago
I have reposted at the correct speed.
merrihew 2 years ago
Thank you very much for posting this one. It is absolutely invaluable for us fiddlers to be able to hear as far back as possible.
symfotroll 2 years ago
Kreisler's ultimate personality is heard in this rendition of Bach. He was eloquent in this movement. Yes, I agree, restrained interpretation, and full of life as was he. Such a spokesman for his singing instrument, no?
gierck1 2 years ago
Re forkjitsu's comment...my understanding was Kreisler, along with some other soloists, might tune a bit higher that A=440 (or whatever was orchestra pitch were there an orchestra) perhaps with slightly wide 5ths (the low G would be pretty much in tune) or whatever the piano was tuned. However, not anything close to essentially 1/2 step (100 cents) higher.
opus4studios 3 years ago
For a short period of time after I had done my annual motor cleaning/lubricating, it was running at 80 rpm instead of 78.26. This may have been posted before I realized and corrected that.
merrihew 3 years ago
I have reposted at the correct speed.
merrihew 2 years ago
This is great Bach playing. Yes, there are some stylistic quibbles...but, they essence of this playing is wonderful tone, great sense of line & architecture. There are, too, little turns coming out of the trills that are rarely done now. As mentioned by jess3873 the pitch is roughly 1/2 step high, resulting from the recording/playback chain.
Posting this "video" allows us viewers a great opportunity.
opus4 3 years ago
i heard that kreisler was one of the people in that time who tuned higher than a 440A for a more brilliant sound, so that's why it's higher.
i could be wrong though :D
forkjitsu 3 years ago
I have reposted at the correct speed.
merrihew 2 years ago
I have reposted at the correct speed.
merrihew 2 years ago
nice
billythekid20 3 years ago
That's sounds to me like Bach was a Gypsy - Flavourish though
WAMEDJO 3 years ago
thank you so much! could you please upload all the partita?
mingweicello 3 years ago
Sorry but this is all he recorded of Bach other than the double concerto in 1916.
merrihew 3 years ago
No one has made a Bach solo sonata gorgeous before or after Kreisler. He was acknowledged by his contemporaries to be of another world.
Huberman describes hearing his Chaconne and being put into that other world, and not being able to understand how it was done even as Kreisler was right in front of him.
He refused to pracice since the age of twenty, but created constantly. Cutting those corners affected his playing in middle age, but his audience knew they would hear nothing like it again.
xlibrl 3 years ago 3
Well put and anything he does is worth hearing but its fortunate that most of his recordings were made before the mid '30's.
merrihew 3 years ago
its very good but heifetz is definately the best bach player...
festershred 3 years ago
In my opinion, heifetz was probably on of the worst Bach player. I adore this artist though. Funny how views can be different.
warwurm21 2 years ago
have you heard the heifetz six sonatas and partitas? i have them on 2 cds and its almost perfect . but ya to each his own
festershred 2 years ago
that's very high in tune! ...
almost half a tone higher...
But beautiful anyway
jess3873 3 years ago
because of the recording equipment at the time, it sounds much higher, he was probably playing it in tune.
ibarachel 3 years ago
I have reposted at the correct speed.
merrihew 2 years ago
I have reposted at the correct speed.
merrihew 2 years ago
Absolute excellence
OriginalMoonbeam 3 years ago
In my opinion, the word sophistication in playing must to be saved for Kreisler.
Beautifully played, really.
VvG1853 3 years ago 2
Superb! Beautifully played. He has extremely high musicality! I know that this piece is hard to count each note. The timing is very difficult. My son played in his recital.
takamori400 3 years ago
Unbelievable how the crispness of his tone comes through on the Victrola. No distortion can deter it!
honeyspur 3 years ago
The freedom and virility of Kreisler's playing are really fantastic. Compared to Joachim's rather dry reading, everybody must acknowledge that Kreisler's art was an enormous development in violin art.
mudidopolo 3 years ago
He just plays beautifully, for me anyway. Some of you might also like his Beethoven sonatas.
GraniteQuarrier 3 years ago
Stile discutibile, ma suono meravioglioso. Molto meglio del Kreisler del doppio di Bach con Zimbalist. Grazie della registrazione.
maurice0773 3 years ago
This recording should be heard by every modern recording engineer. It is subtle and extraordinary! 78's were and are fantastic. I'm living in the wrong time. I want to go back and live in Germany in 1928.
ronoman88 4 years ago 3
careful what you wish for, nazis were about to begin gaining power. just something to think about =]
mrn93 3 years ago 2
Impresionante. Nunca había escuchado esa versión tocada por Kreisler
paganacho 4 years ago
Thank you!
Who said old technology is less? The sound is superb. It's amazing that with rudimentary equipments they could reproduce this kind of good quality music. I don't care about little scratchs.
kleetraveler 4 years ago 7
@kleetraveler
IMO the scratches and noise add to the atmosphere. sounds like soothing rain...
polykarp 1 year ago
Thank you! The performance I grew up with -- it was the final side, I think, on the 78s we had of Kreisler playing the Beethoven Concerto. For its time it is a surprisingly vivid and lifelike recording.
After years of being sneered at, the improvisational sense Kreisler brings to it is now rather like some of today's period instrument practioners.
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engine1385 4 years ago 2
Thank you for posting and your comment. I think this is fantastic, and Back would be very appreciative if he listened to this. Kreisler is a very special violinist who really understand how to interprete the piece in his way of music expression. It is sad to see that some people are not nice at all.
takamori400 4 years ago
Oh my God. This is superb.
Jesus, those glissandos are something else.
But I love it. Fantastically intense. If you can hear through the crackles it's the best G minor Adagio on youtube, imho.
Brilliant. Thanks.
fuckthepain 4 years ago 4
Wonderful! Do you have more of Kreisler?
johnlouis1 4 years ago
Thank you for Posting This!
It's wonderful!
transformingArt 4 years ago
If you look at my earliest postings, I show and describe the machine. Yes, the light is original. The turntable motor is electric but reproduction is acoustic. You can see a mounting bracket on the side of the tone arm where an electric reproducer used to be mounted. You could chose between electrical and acoustical reproduction on this monster machine.
merrihew 4 years ago
Whatever the critics may say that this is dated, it is not! I fully agree; your remarks are very pertinent and to the point - it's simply a matter of personal approach and not of intrinsic quality. The intrinsic quality is, and will always be, transcendent violin playing, disregarding the opinion of a public of a specific period or social environment.
kspm01 4 years ago