Veiled, Niqaab Women Living In The West, Force or Freedom?

[TWITVB]

There is not freedom in the fascist ideology of Islam! Only brainwashing and Stockholm-syndrome.

[kamalawhite]

So it is out of fear you wear the niqab? This is not right ! But thanks to you, I now understand why some women like you insist so much on wearing it . And no it's not a religious obligation according to true muslim scholars, but a cultural one .

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite im sorry but yur statement is wrong is it a sunat done by Prophet Muhamad SAW wifes.

[kamalawhite]

@Captainomaralwee I'm no expert on these questions but what I meant here is in the Q'ran women are encouraged to dress modestly, and not to hide their faces - and the niqab existed before Prophet Muhammad - so it's cultural

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite like i said its is a ' sunat ' which means advised to do so..but the Quran does say in surah Al-Ahzab verse 59 that,'O! Prophet! tell yur wives and daughters and the "women of believers" to draw their cloaks(veils all over their bodies(i.e screen their themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). it says there women of believers meaning that it is not a wajib(a must do) but its is a sunat.

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite r u a muslim?

[kamalawhite]

@Captainomaralwee No I'm not but my boyfriend is so I discuss a lot with him on these topics ... Anyway most commentators agree that the Q'ran states that women ought to wear a "veil over their breasts" and no more. And if the Prophet Muhamad had his wives wearing the niqab at one point, it was because one of them was actually harrassed - so it was like a temporary measure - and certainly not meant to become the norm. And BWT the niqab existed before the Prophet so it's really a cultural thing

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite another reason why Prophet Muhamad wives are wearing veils becuz they are not allowed to marry after Prophet Muhamad SAW death...and yes the niqab existed before the Prophet but his wives wear it which make it a sunnah meaning thing that have been done n allowed by the Prophet SAW n his family...and what u wrote just now was a wajib and it is not complete their neck and hair must be covered also. it is up to the muslim women to cover her face or not.

[kamalawhite]

@Captainomaralwee Well I'm glad about this comment of yours - let me explain - when I was a young woman I went to Iran (that was before the Islamic revolution) and at the time nobody talked about this so the first time I saw entirely veiled women I didn't understand and I thought they were widows - so in a way I was right ! So you've cleared this point for me. I don't know in what country you're living but I'm in France and from a western point of view it'sjust too strange to say the least

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite i live in malaysia......hear not many women wear the veil just a few and they dont dress modestly too..oh cool u live in France, u can speak english really well and fluently :)

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite its up to the muslimah(muslim women) really so dont make a big deal about it. like i said its just a sunat not a wajib...

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite the point of wearing the niqab is to really shield their beauty and like set a barrier saying wow dude dont cross the line and to not plant bad intentions to men hearts(attraction to the women until he can rape the lady).... muslim women are like fine jewelry which need to be taken care of and protected...

[kamalawhite]

@Captainomaralwee Just another thing - when I was in Iran as I said earlier I was embarrassed by the way men looked at me - and it was worse in Pakistan and Afghanistan and I was grateful I was with a group because I was a bit scared - men in the West just don't look at women that - I normally always feel safe here and very rarily harrassed - so I don't think the problem is with how much cloth women have to wear to protect themselves but what is in some men's minds - and that's not very nice

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite well in iran its just like yur problem in yur country, women dont really cover up there a lot of women are covered so its like abnormal to them....and the muslims there are kinda rough so please just forgive them and just let it go...it's the arabic culture and their ways are rough....and islam does not allow its ummah to do so...why women cover is to be safe not all man can hold their nafsu(bad intentions) to their heart.

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite it is just to be safe then sorry

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite u cant really depend on that guy to hold it in..his mind will wander and that is wrong .

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite for an example - a man looks at a woman wearing a bikini and his mind will wonder and see through that bikini - but to a girl looking at a shirtless man wearing tights is just looking at a shirtless man wearing tights .....im sorry for my english im not that good..

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite muslimah must cover up her whole body except her hands,feet and face....and up to them how do thay want to cover it she can still wear jeans and stuff

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite if u have ANY questions just ask :) or just massage my youtube account :)

[kamalawhite]

@Captainomaralwee I can't get to your account - but anyway : we could go on arguing on and on - but a man can change although not on his own, the whole society has to change - and it does, slowly. Here in the West things are now much better since the 70's and the Woman's Lib and all that, men do have more respect for women. I'm not saying the western way is the best or whatever, but it's the one I know so I can talk about it. We must all find our way to grow and be happy :-)

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite yeah, WHAT??? but i all ready messaged yur account

[Captainomaralwee]

@kamalawhite HI!! can you add me as yur friend on facebook..my account is (Omar Alwee) im still 15