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believe an atheist who says he can be good, by self-consciousness. It's like, believe to a crocodile, which has an open mouth and says he is not going to bite you. Atheists do not believe in God then, why morality? This was what brought down Russia. Communism managers, in majority, were thieves and dishonest for 2 reasons: 1) they knew they had only one life to live. 2) too much valued their lives and their families.
atheists concepts make unrealistic and useless morality.
@sanyo1974 More flawed logic. Russia failed because of corruption so all atheism is corrupt? By that logic all members of the Roman Catholic Church are murders and child molesters. Can you even try to think up a rational argument?
All religion does is codify the pre-existing moral codes by which civilization thrives. Look at the 10 commandments. Only one or two deals with the relationship with god and the rest deal with the relationship with society. Morality precedes religion.
@captwasabi "Russia failed because of corruption so all atheism is corrupt?" Not only in Rusia, the same was China, Korea, Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Albania, Romania, Cuba, Etc.. etc. .. etc. Atheism is bullshit. And this: " Only one or two deals with the relationship with god and the rest deal with the relationship with society. Morality precedes religion..." I hear that stupidity from many atheist videos here in youtube, & now you? hahaha you stupid, ignorant, fool, deceived.
@sanyo1974 Again, your logic is flawed. None of these countries you listed have failed on the scale that Russia did. In fact, China is one of the most powerful nations on the earth right now. For you to categorically state that "Atheism is bullshit" without being able to substantiate that position merely demonstrates to all of us that you have little desire to actually discuss anything. As for your last point, so what? You have again done nothing to refute the veracity of my claim.
@sanyo1974 And speaking about being a "stupid, ignorant fool" I took this from your channel. "In the wake of the furor over Darwin's idea that humans were descended from apes"
Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and yet again, wrong.
The only people who claim that man evolved from apes are idiotic, inbred religious fanatics who don't have the commonsense of a mushroom. You know, people like you.
Darwin claims that all primates, including man, have a common ancestor. Try learning before you post
Okay , am a Palestinian guy. I have not hurt any one in my life and am doing PhD in Rehabilitation to help children with disability. If I was murdered would you take it as how these guys took it . I am a human being regardless of other details.
you know what i did the experience with adult and the result was the same , when i told the story with first general lin they comdan it but than i chow the texte to them and say in reallity it came from the bible and it was not general lin but joshoua and god command it you should have see their face than i comfroted them with their own morals
How to justify a genocide? You can't do it and claim absolute morality in the same breathe, theists, so you have to cop out with the God excuse. Which of course will make their God look like a hypocrite unless they say morality depends on God's mood, which of course will make it subjective like the rest of human morality.
There is no difference between Joshua & Hitler - apart from scale. The ideologies are identical. Attempts by Christians to salvage the morality of such episodes are hopeless, because there is *no* way to say that "kill everyone" = "Love one another". Judged by the Sermon on the Mount the episode is evil - to say otherwise amounts to saying that the ethics of Jesus & Hitler are the same; & that is blasphemous, as well as immoral. Only by some pre-Christian standards is the episode moral.
Except that God gave Joshua the power to win so many battles against such odds that it was as supernatural as the Jordan drying up and the walls of Jericho falling. Hitler used mere might.
Also except that Joshua's God who ordered it created every cell of every person His wrath came upon, and knew their every thought, intention and deed. Hitler was an ignorant hypocrite to say the least.
@highwind8124 save it. this is exactly what dawkins is taking about. this same crap. and if someone came on tv and said God told them to kill a whole race of people. you would think they were crazy. just like joshua.
Except the Israelites had tons of proof in miracles. They were guided by a pillar of fire at night, and when crossing the Jordan, it temporarily dried up for them and resumed flowing. Then this ragged band of desert wandering ex-slaves encircled a city completely outnumbered and outmatched by a fortified Jericho, when the walls miraculously fell down at a trumpet's blast.
I would abhor it, too, if some guy thought he had to kill on a whim, but God was the one killing.
@highwind8124 u cant derive proof from a false book...sorry. And it was a genocide. dont make excuses for false claims in a false book either. and if god had done the killing, which is false. he would be a god i would not want to worship. good thing this god is not "good'"and this god is not real.
You're changing the subject. The argument you were making was that in the situation presented in the Bible, Joshua was immoral to obey God's commands, and that it was basically equal to some guy on TV telling you to go do the same.
I pointed out why there's no parallel, then you abandoned your point to change the subject to whether or not its true.
Simply stating so matter of factly fails to address the argument of Rahab which proves you wrong. Clearly this was not about race or citizenship, but about God's judgment on souls. Many Old Testament verses to back that up demonstrating that.
Hitler didn't care if Jews repented or even were Christian. Hutus didn't care about Tutsis. They just wanted Tutsis. But God examines the heart. That's why it wasn't genocide, as badly as you wish it was.
@highwind8124 Right. So you're trusting the geological knowledge of people from 4,000 years ago? Really? Plus through al the language translation these stories went through? Are you seriously that stupid?
Furthermore, it wasn't even a genocide, but God's judgment on souls. If it was a genocide, Rahab would have had to have been killed too, not to mention her family.
Clearly what is happening here is not what critics wish it was.
I'm pretty sure Hitler wouldn't have gone on writing in meticulous detail what a bunch of cowards the Aryans are and talk about in length how these people had to be encouraged and coaxed to go, how they trembled.
Also, Hitler covered up what he did, which was not for any concern for the German people as he was more than willing to senselessly send his soldiers into death. But while what the Jews record would be most detestable to the nations, they bear the record out.
@highwind8124 so... how can you justify the bible's genocide because of the insurmountable odds that only God could have overcome? Why can't whoever wrote the bible be similarly covering the true story up?
Mankind deserved to die completely in Genesis 3. There's nothing to justify. Those people are actually indebted to God for blessing them with the life they did get.
"Why can't whoever wrote the bible be similarly covering the true story up?"
This question is separate from the point of debating whether God had the right to pour out His wrath from whether it actually happened.
@highwind8124 About the first statement, you basically just conceded that religion justify genocides, if someone commit Genocide today, no one in their right mind would encourage them, unless they're done in the name of their God then at least some of their fellow followers would agree.
"unless they're done in the name of their God then at least some of their fellow followers would agree."
The difference between a mere man telling you to do something and the God of Joshua who miraculously parted the Jordan river and made a wall explode at a trumpet blast and demonstrated Himself through many miracles is easily seen.
You desire to equate the two situations purely for hate, not reason, to accuse.
But you have your straw man, and you may gamble your soul on it.
@highwind8124 About the second statement, the question was never whether God has the right, it's whether man has the right in the name of God. God spoke the Universe into existence, if he wants to kill mere men all he has to do is think it, why does he need a man to do his deed?
Now, it's almost universally agreed that genocides committed by the Nazis were wrong, but isn't it possible that if he had won the war, there would be a new book added to the bible?
"it's whether man has the right in the name of God."
Joshua could not take that ragged band of cowardly former slaves who have wandered the desert to the fortified city of Jericho and win alone. We agree that man has no right, but God does, and if one elderly man had been given a feather to cut down their whole army, God could also have made it so.
"why does he need a man to do his deed?"
Not need, but chose. God used the Babylonians the same way over Israel.
@highwind8124 That's the point, the genocides that the Nazis committed, by your definition, would have been justified if they had won the war, because, as I've said before, history is written by the victors, and they would have had to overcome equally insurmountable odds with clear signs showing that God was on their side, what gives?
What you write only confirms the video's statement that religion can be dangerous because it can be the basis of justifying genocides.
"the genocides that the Nazis committed, by your definition, would have been justified if they had won the war, because, as I've said before, history is written by the victors,"
I hardly think the Jews won the war and then said: "Hey, you want to paint us as a bunch of stiff necked cowards that needed encouraging, who were reprimanded by God who said we're not getting this for our own righteousness" and so on?
They keep self condemning records because the tale is told honestly.
@highwind8124 I don't think the Nazi's would be kept self condemning records, and by your definition, if the story is told to have miraculous victories, then it must be God's will. You are now asserting that it's okay to commit genocides as long as it's described to be miraculous, if there is evidence that they are self critical about some other things that happened, because they must be honest.
No, it can't, because those examples you point to are God's wrath on evil sinners and were accomplished through miracles, which in a post-crucifixion time would be impossible to perform while following the New Testament.
There is no danger.
However, atheism allows evil people to think they can get away with it, whereas the New Testament does not.
@highwind8124 Please explain how Atheism allow people to get away with genocides. Evil people are evil, and they are everywhere, and they will always try to justify their actions no matter what they believe.
Atheists who do good things when they don't have to happen to have integrity. People who don't who are willing to murder and do horrible things can feel confident that if they can get away with it in terms of society not punishing them, that there is no God or afterlife to worry about.
Strong atheism, the mockery of theism, removes that safeguard for all sorts of evil people who want to do all sorts of things.
@highwind8124 The same can be said of religious people, they can become convinced that they have been commanded by God to commit acts that you and I consider evil, but they would have nothing to fear about society's judgement, because only God can judge. Even if society gives him the death penalty, he will spend eternity in heaven.
For the record, I disagree with strong atheism that mock theism, I believe people can believe in whatever they find comfort in.
"they can become convinced that they have been commanded by God to commit acts that you and I consider evil,"
As long as they are also convinced that the New Testament does not apply to them, which means they would not be Christians by definition, which means you're not criticizing Christianity but false religions.
"Even if society gives him the death penalty, he will spend eternity in heaven."
If you bother reading the New Testament, you find many quotes that refute your straw man.
@highwind8124 I won't pretend to have read the bible cover to cover, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong by quotations. Let say a married christian man follows the New Testament, and he forces his wife to submit to his every whim. Now, I consider this to be cruel and would at least amount to psychological torture, if not worse. In this case, according to the new testament, it is his right because he is the head of the family, and society's judgement don't apply for reasons cited previously.
@highwind8124 you said after crucifixion time, it is impossible to justify genocides based on the new testament, and yet, genocides goes on, in the form of holy wars, some of whom were Christians who carried out their action in the name of God.
"genocides goes on, in the form of holy wars, some of whom were Christians who carried out their action in the name of God."
Okay, quote me the war and then explain how Jesus and the New Testament writers are responsible. If you rehash some event the New Testament forbids and does not tell you to do, but the Catholic church and Pope did, then you have no argument.
@highwind8124 Why not? The point is, these genocides were started based on religious difference and justified using their interpretation of the religion, therefore, religion have been used as a basis for genocides.
@highwind8124 I don't believe that religion is the sole basis for justifying genocides, far from it, but it certainly can be one, and it can be a very strong one, because a religious argument is almost always unfalsifiable so the reasoning just need to go to God and that's the end of it. I think you too know that your religion have been used to justify evil acts.
I think it's great that we just established that you utterly can't. We deflated that balloon fast.
Your point is like saying: "Why not? Governments are used to start wars. Wars are based on differences between governments. So I'm going to blame ALL governments."
Broad generalizing is fundamental to racism as well.
@highwind8124 also, you 'goverment' argument is invalid, because, christians, specifically, have started wars and used their religion to justify it, I didn't make that explicit in my argument because Christianity is not the only religion that does it.
All forms of collectivism are violence-based. The moment collectivism was put into forms of state and organized religion, wars and conquest started in the neolithic era. The state and organized religion have their birth in blood. Try to secede from any government and watch how "peaceful" they are. You CAN blame ALL government. The ironic thing is that governments thrive on much the same collectivism as racism does. Love for the "state". Love for the "race".
@highwind8124 Hm... you example is a bit extreme, more so than the story discussed in the video, and sure, if someone managed to do that, not many people would be able to dispute God's existence, but it hasn't happened, nothing even remotely similar has happened in documented history confirmed by multiple sources.
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@bornbythesea yes, check out those books if you want fill your head with nonsense. If you want to read books about imaginary monsters, read the greek and norse myths. Jesus predicted the end times would come within the lifetime of those he preached to, guess what ? it never happened.
17 'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,
19 'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
20 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
In math 0 always equals 0. You can’t get away from that. Stephen Hawkins has said, “there must always be a first cause, then the effect.” In order to have a universe of matter, and a beginning of space time, there had to be some power outside the finite, to start the engine. Infinite something above the finite. The question “so where did God come from,” is answered in the infinite. Something out of nothing, still leaves us with nothing starting everything.
Yes, but on the other hand Harton could do his experiment and publish the results without being killed. Also the comments on Jezus are weak. Harton says "Jezus was a loyal jew who didn't want his learnings to be told to non jews." Very nice but the new testament doesn't say so, so the argument is simpley invalid. I'm not used to such weak arguments from mr. Dawkins.
Here is what I would ask a "Devout Christian": If you became absolutely convinced, that God wanted you to blow up a building full of people, would you do it? You cannot say "God would never do that," because there are many instances in the Bible where God has commanded his followers to violence, sometimes ordering genocide and the slaughter of innocent children. So, if you were ABSOLUTELY convinced, would you do it? The honest answer to the question is why religion is so dangerous.
@DandAinTac The honest answer to the question is why Atheist people like Dawkins is so reptil and liar. Because that ancient Biblical histories was a deal of God with the people of isrrael. Not With you and me. and that way to proceed judgements agains people with cruelty and death, have relation with the idiosincrasy of barbarian people, in barbarian times, and the way of live of people who live thinkin in kill and conquer. You need to be cinical liar, to related that times with people of today
@sanyo1974 I noticed that you didn't really answer the question. Yes or no. If you were absolutely convinced that God wanted you to blow up a building full of people--would you do it? I mean really, truly believed God intended you to do this? How about murder your own child--like Abraham was commanded to do--without knowing whether an angel would stay your hand?
@DandAinTac If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: Matthew22:37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
@sanyo1974 So you would dare to read God's own word back to him? He's the almighty--right? He makes the rules. All he has to say is: "This is a new deal--throw out all that nonsense. This is a new commandment! I've decided to change the rules." He could even just say "You've interpreted that wrong. I'm God, now just do as I say." Do you believe God is all powerful, all knowing and all good, or not. Do you really believe, or not?
@DandAinTac If you are going to related religious people with barbarian histories, then we need to related atheist people with the massacre of the Europe, Atheist Lider of the XIX and XX centuries, recent phenomenas, like Stalin, or Pol Pot, Lenin, Mao Tse, or any Atheist Massive killer of this world like Elias Calles, because they say they was atheist also. And they never worry about kill religious people or even opposers not religious, because without god, every think is possible. thats worst.
@sanyo1974 I've never claimed that all atheists are good. Regardless of one's religion, good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but religion can turn an otherwise decent human being to commit the most heinous crimes imaginable. Anything is possible when you think God is commanding you. Stalin and Mao may have done bad things, but there was no "atheist God" commanding them to do so. Their atheism was incidental. Please answer the question. Would you do it?
@DandAinTac If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. "Romans 15:2 Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up."
@DandAinTac AND If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, and that god read to me the Biblical passages from Genesis Deuteronomy Leviticus or Numbers, as You do. Then i would read at the beginning of each book, quoted by you: Deuteronomy: "Tell the Israelites" Numbers: "Tell the Israelites" Leviticus: "Tell the Israelites" THE PROBLEM HERE IS, IF AN ATHEIST GUY ASK TO YOU TO KILL PEOPLE, WHAT DID YOU GOING TO TELL HIM ? REMEMBER THERE IS NO GOD, SO NOBODY JUDGE YOU.
@sanyo1974 This may take more than one post. So, is this a yes or a no? Also, is the God in the Old Testament a different God? Regardless of Jesus--it's still the same God--right? Otherwise, why would the early church fathers incorporate the OT into the Bible? It's still possible God could give orders like this. Why would he have the Israelites do this, and no one else ever? If we should disregard the nasty stuff in the OT--should we disregard the 10 Commandments also? (continued)
@sanyo1974 Now, as far as an atheist, if another atheist (or a God) told me fill a truck with explosives and go blow up a building full of innocent people, I would say FU! And as far as no consequences--give me a break! There are LOTS of consequences. I would be arrested for sure, and probably tried and executed. I would indeed be judged by my fellow human beings--it is we who create morality, after all, not some mythical being. And I would judge myself--because harming other people is wrong...
@DandAinTac So you say about kill people: "There are LOTS of consequences, 1) I would be arrested 2) probably tried and executed 3) I would indeed be judged by my fellow human beings.." Read your self I,I,I,I,I YOU and every time YOU, just YOU and anyone than YOU, Never speak about mabe this people have kids,and families affected, or this people are human beings that "God apreciate". Well, there is countries that never judge you if you kill people, So your atheist is still be dangerous anyway
@sanyo1974 Are you accusing me of vanity? What is vain is believing there's an all-powerful God that's watching YOU and listening to YOUR prayers, when he has the whole rest of the universe to worry about. Anyway, space is limited, so it didn't give me room to explain principles like how we are all in this together, and it's to our mutual benefit to live and work together cooperatively. Morality is innate in us. We don't need a God (or a priest really) to tell us what is right and wrong.
@DandAinTac "principles like how we are all in this together" I already heard that many times, Read The Lenin's famous "April Theses" Atheist Lider of XIX & XX centuries speak all the time about work together, at the end, each took his way, and ended by choosing to live their lives regardless of others. Atheism has its history. I do not believe in men who have only one life. All those who at one time believed in men who talked about working together, lived after repenting of believing false lies
@sanyo1974 Since you continually try to lump atheism with Communism, and blame atheism for the things Stalin and other Communist leaders did, then I guess it's only fair that I do the same for all the Christian rulers. Let's start with Hitler, a Roman Catholic, and proceed to King Leopold II of Belgium and his horrid crimes in the Congo, and move on to Kaiser Wilhelm, Emporer Franz Joseph, all the Tsars, Kings and Emperors ad nauseum, as well as the inquisition, all the witch burnings...
@DandAinTac You continually try to lump Nazism with Christianity, and blame christians for the things Hitler and other Europeans leaders did, So I'll do the same for all the Atheism rulers. Let's start with Staling in Russia and his horrid crimes, and move on to China, with Mao Tse, an Atheist massive killer, destructor of a chinesse millenarium culture, liders like Pol Pot an atheist massive killer, as well as the The Khmer Rouge: the followers of the Atheist Party of Kampuchea.. and so on..
@sanyo1974 If you lump Communist leaders who happen to be atheist in with their wars and crimes, then I can do the same with those who are not atheist. This means, all the US presidents and wars, Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, all the European leaders, the Tsars of Russia, all the Imams, Mullahs and Caliphs of Iran, Iraq, Turkey, all the religious leaders of Africa, and on and on and on. You are bound to lose. You never did answer the question. Would you do it if God asked you to?
@DandAinTac Maybe you dont read my answer to that question Ok read again: If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: Matthew22:37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
@DandAinTac & If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: "Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." and "1John4:7-8 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
@DandAinTac & If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
@sanyo1974 ...all the torture, all the pogroms, the murderous rampages by Israelites detailed in the Bible, the brutal colonialism of the European powers in Africa and Asia, the rampages of the Ottoman Empire, all the wars in the Middle East, suicide bombings, the Taliban, 9/11, Al Qaida--on and on and on. Do you REALLY want to stack the crimes and body count of theists up against atheists? Do you REALLY want to do this? Anything is possible with God's blessing.
@DandAinTac The torture, all the pogroms, the murderous rampages by Rusian Atheist leaders detailed in the history, the brutal masacre by Pol Pot, Mao Tse, of the European Atheism in Africa and Asia the rampages of the Korean Atheism all the wars throughout the world womans and kids was murdered in Hungary Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia. Do you REALLY want to stack the crimes and body count of Atheists up against religious people and oppositors not religious? Anything is possible without God
@sanyo1974 Yes--you're on. By the way, "European atheism in Africa and Asia"? Oh no you don't! The Europeans were Christian, and the massacres and atrocities were specifically justified by Christianity. You don't get to attribute those to atheism. I'll grant you Mao, Stalin and other Soviet cold war victims, Pol Pot, and half of the Chinese Civil War, and half the Russian Civil War, and half the Korean War, half the Soviet-Afghan war, now make your case. Mine will take a lot longer.
@DandAinTac The Europeans were Christian?? You can lie to any ignorant fool adolescent here, but not to me, Europeans from the XIX & XX they are more than 70% atheist people. Comunism is a phenomena from atheist ideas, genetist phenomena in USA is from badly atheist ideas. Hittler was a good ATHEIST, he just want to exterminate inferior races, and obey the darwinism science. Nazis from today they still be racist Atheist liers. Just like Hittler and Richard Dawkins. The same lies. Nothing new.
@sanyo1974 Good grief. You are truly deluded if you think the Europeans were atheist! You may be entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. It is a FACT the Europeans were overwhelmingly Christian. Hitler: "I am and shall always be a Catholic" and in Mein Kampf, he declared he was doing "God's Will". The very first treaty the Nazis made was with the Vatican!!! And the Catholic Church celebrated Hitler's birthday right up to the end!
@DandAinTac You are truly deluded if you think the Europeans were Christians! You may be entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. It is a FACT the Europeans were overwhelmingly Darwinist. Hitler: "I will feel those CLERICS condemned the power of the state" and Hitler say too: "The heaviest blow suffered by humanity was the coming of Christianity". Quoted from "conversations between Hitler and Bormann", in "Hitler: A Study in Tyranny" by Allan Bullock. 1933
@sanyo1974 The Nazi oath started with "in the name of almighty God", and on the belt buckle of every soldier it said (in German) "God on our side." The Europeans were overwhelmingly Christian. All the guards in the concentration camps--overwhelmingly Christian. The long history of the bloody'handed Czars of Russian, all Russian Orthodox. Even today, Europe still is largely Christian, although atheism has made big in-roads--but you don't see the massacres and wars any more, do you?
@DandAinTac The Nazi oath started with "cleaning race", and on the mind of every soldier it said "we are a superior race" The Europeans were overwhelmingly Darwinist Atheist. All the guards in the concentration camps--overwhelmingly Darwinist. The long history of the state atheism in Russian, all Russian liders. Even today, Europe still is largely atheist, although atheist massacre has made big in-roads--but you don't see the Atheist massacres and wars any more, do you?
@DandAinTac THE PROBLEM HERE IS, IF AN ATHEIST GUY ASK TO YOU TO KILL PEOPLE, WHAT DID YOU GOING TO TELL HIM ? REMEMBER THERE IS NO GOD, SO NOBODY JUDGE YOU. AND IN TIMES OF WAR, AS IT WAS THE 1RTH & 2ND WORLD WAR, ATHEIST LEADERS, HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN KILL OR RESPECT THE FREEDOM OF OTHERS, AND THEY CHOSE TO KILL... SO YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER ANYWAY. WE GOT THE STATE ATHEISM HISTORY TO ANSWER FOR YOU.
@sanyo1974 If an atheist told me to kill someone, I'd tell him to fuck off, then I'd report him to the cops. I don't need a God to tell me to do that. I can rely on my own innate morality, and my own brains, instead of the delusion of some magic dude. We are not children anymore--we can figure out right and wrong for ourselves. That which leads to less pain and suffering is good. Those actions which increase suffering, are evil. How hard is that?
@DandAinTac "I don't need a God to tell me to do that. I can rely on my own innate morality" Oh sure, you confirm the Bible say READ: Rom2:14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
@sanyo1974 AND, there you go again! The vast majority of all killers, murderers, perpetrators of rape, genocide, slavery, and torture have been religious. The guards and gas chamber operators at Treblinka, Chelmno, Auschwitz, Sobibor, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau--the vast majority of them were Christian. You are playing with a weak hand. You keep trying to pretend that atheists are the ones who did all the bad stuff--it's just not true, no matter how much you try to claim it is.
@sanyo1974 Finally, you still have not answered the question! You keep dodging it. WOULD YOU DO IT? If you believed God was telling you to blow up a building full of people would you do it?? Absolutely convinced--it really was God telling you, that he had this purpose in mind for you? Do you believe in God or not? Are his orders to be obeyed without question? Tell me. Spill it!
@DandAinTac & If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: "Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." and "1John4:7-8 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." & if that god mention the OT them i'll read Hebrews 8 & 9 and Gal.3
@sanyo1974 So your answer is no? Is that what you are telling me? We've been down this road before, and I don't think I'm going to get a yes or no answer from you, because of the uncomfortable implications either way. I congratulate you though, on your superior sense of morality compared to all true believing Christians I've posed this answer to--who admit they would. I don't think you're really one of them though. I think down deep, you know it can't be true, otherwise,
@sanyo1974 because if you truly believed that God was all-powerful, and importantly in this case, ALL GOOD, and all knowing, it would not occur to you to question God's perfect justice. You would strike that knife (or in this case bomb) down just like Abraham did, trusting God completely. However, your answer makes a lot of sense if you doubt deep down, but don't want to admit it. Don't feel bad though, I was once like you--and it's hard to "give up the ghost" so to speak because of...
@sanyo1974 ...because of fear of Hell, and powerful social pressures to conform to the majority belief system, not to mention family and community. You've taken the first step--saying NO to God. Now start asking the next questions.
@DandAinTac Well Sr. to question God's commands It never make me an atheist (not again). If you realy read the Bible, you will find many prophets and people of God, question to God about some commands like kill people or about destroy towns, thats many times, So the problem here is understand the Biblical story and its real meaning, and in the case of facts, every story who treat about judgement, is to prevent for the injustice.
@DandAinTac Now every Masacre related to the europeans atheist leaders, in the recent XIX & XX's, is real facts, and injustice methods by violations of freedom. And related too, with stupid wrong ideas, coming from men of science like eugenics, Racism, and the intencion to control others. There is no evil so dangerous, that the evil brought to the world by scientists. Evil, is every time related with selfishness (a form of atheism), elites and power, Is not related with BIBLICAL Christianity.
@sanyo1974 You're lack of understanding is fucking amazing. Very typical for bible thumping morons. The few leaders who were atheists, were not motivated by atheism. Stalin wasnt moticated by atheism but communism. Other than Stalin, who else are you talking about? Atheists are much more peaceful and moral than theists. The tradegy and evil that has come from evil religious leaders is incomparible. You're obviously uneducated and unintellegent, maybe I was too harsh on you
@MrKGatl You're lack of understanding is fucking amazing. Very typical for Dikie Dawkins folowers morons. The few leaders who were atheists, were fully motivated by comunism atheist. Stalin wasnt moticated by religious but Atheism communism. Other than Stalin, Was Poll Pot, Mao Tse, Henver Hoxa, Hittler are much more assasings and inmoral than theists. The tradegy and evil that has come from evil comunist atheist leaders is incomparible. You're obviously uneducated and unintellegent.
@MrKGatl Christianity and nazism are not the same thing. Hitler was an Atheist Liar , thats well known in germany. and if you say that Hitler said, that killing jews was for the christian god, (when every body know that jewish are the people chosen one of god) and even knowing so, you want to believe that Hitler was a good christian preacher door by door...? or nazis was a good jehova witnesses? That;s because you are an ignorant fool, who want to believe in this cinical liar atheist guys.
@sanyo1974 Whats wrong with you, I wrote a short comment and you still didnt understand it. I never said that christianity and nazism are the same thing. You are obvioulsy uneducated and believe the religious propaganda about hitler. Im going to give you a simple quote that is FROM THE MOUTH OF HITLER HIMSELF."I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord" Mein Kampf
@MrKGatl Whats wrong with you, you wrote a short and superficial comment, cause you still didnt understand the history cause you don't read history. You are obvioulsy uneducated and believe the atheist propaganda about hitler. Im going to give you a simple quote that is FROM THE MOUTH OF HITLER HIMSELF."Literature by Jewish authors, regardless of the field are strictly prohibited (Hitler speech: 1935)" By the way, Mein Kampf was writen in 1925 go to read you ignorant.
@sanyo1974 I actually have a B.A. in History and M.A. in Epistemology. I am trained in history, which im sure you're not. What does your quote have to do with anything. Hitler, by his own words is a believer in god. Argueing this point only makes you look dumb. You might as well argue he didnt have a mustache. I am not argueing that hes a good christian at all, besides in name. But by his own admission he was a theist. I am just getting the answer straight from Hitler.
@MrKGatl Oh Really ! So, you Have an B.A. in History and you DON'T KNOW Mein Kampf was writen in 1925??? and later Hitler prohibited Literature by Jewish authors, regardless of the field??? ha? United States people are so stupid... that the razon atheism get followers in USA because the education is a business and you dont have money, no time and no interest, for study hard.
@sanyo1974 Where did I say that I didnt know when Mein Kampf was written. The New Testament was written by christians not Jews. Some of the best universities in the world are in the US. The people of the US arent dumb, most of them are chained by religious doctrine. Religions do not always promote education or knowledge. I have studied very hard and many people that I know have put lots of time, interest, and money into their education. Its the dumb bible thumpers that hold America back.
@MrKGatl America -just like Rusia- will fall down, by his vicious sons, that only looking for pleasures, less work and effort, and much more money for pleasures. Its the dumb Atheist thumpers that hold America back. But for some, preffer to lose time speaking and thinking about attack every things that "take you out" from PLEASURES, like moral principles and religious. don't you atheist? I see that in Rusia, and now in your country, the history repeat again and again, What a shame!
@sanyo1974 Russia and America are two very different countries, with very different pasts. If America falls, it will be because the religious majority wouldnt get out of the way and run the country with common sense. Well mostly America will fall because the government is not repsonsible with their money. But Atheism will certainly not hold America back, nor does it hold anything back. I dont need religion or some magical being watching over me to do the right thing.
@MrKGatl Russian administrators of the government, stolen goods of people's, because they thought in make it rich first, not in the people, because they are atheist liar. Russian people knows that, Ayn Rand hate Rusia because of that.The US government, administers the war to develop the arms race, a millionaire business belonging to families with tradition in this area and politics.You just want to believe in a godless and happy world that this atheist tell you. Keep dreaming you fool deceived.
@sanyo1974 Just because Russia has a lot of corruption, doesnt mean that corruption and atheism are in any way linked. No atheists tells me to believe in anything, so you are gravely mistaken. Im sorry that you live in Russia, a country whos leaders have been power hungry and abusive toward the people. But atheism really had nothing to do with that. Please tell me how atheists are decieved, since we are the ones who dont believe in the fairy tales of religion. Arms race?
@MrKGatl You say: "atheism really had nothing to do with that." that because you are an ignorant fool. Because if you realy READ HISTORY, you will find The Atheist philosophers of rusia speaking to the people and promises a new concient mens very educated in science with no religion. and you ask how atheists are decieved?? Becuase people every body see how this administrators looted throughout Europe, Albania, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Germany, and across Asia also. Keep dreaming
@MrKGatl Let me show you why atheist are 90% cinical liars with not moral. Read your own comment : "Just because Russia has a lot of corruption, doesnt mean that corruption and atheism are in any way linked..." Now read your comment in other youtube channel: "Or we could just burn them at the stake like they wouldnt have done to us a few hundred years ago..." That's why I say that american atheist are 90% inmoral liar, and stupid ignorant fool people. Now, stop send me you comments, please.
@sanyo1974 Oh come on, dont you know a joke when you see it. Atheists can joke about that since we dont have burning people in our past. However, Christians, have burned people in the past. Im sorry that you live in Russia are dont have the educational opportunities that we do here in America. Its not your fault that you dont understand.
@MrKGatl Atheist dont have burning people in our past?? The heads that madethe map of Cambodia, during the atheistic regime of Pol Pot, were burned first, and Pot Pol was an atheist. The bodies of opponents-people not religious- of the Albanian state atheis, were shot first, and finally burned. Some opponents in China were dismembered and remains burned. Korean state atheism burning their opponents after shuting in a wall. I can give you more data to make jokes. Stupid American
@sanyo1974 There is one incredibly major flaw to your argument. Arguing that a person killed by an atheist is a person killed in the name of atheism. This is flawed logic. This is like saying that if a priest get's drunk and drives and kills someone that the victim was killed in the name of Christ. This is, also, quite flawed. The argument Dawkins is putting forth is that religion excuses genocide. Atheism does not.
@captwasabi John Allen Muhammad didn't believe in fairies, therefore the Beltway sniper attacks were carried out in accordance with the dogma of not believing in fairies.
@sanyo1974 ...and I don't need a god to tell me that. I'd be willing to bet you don't either. If you DID need a God to tell you that, no God would be able to stop you--just as no God is on hand to stop the other psycopaths. In short, morality is created by human beings, for sound reasons. It's how we work and function together. We can make our morality more rational by taking religion out of the picture, so that we don't have to worry about "God" whispering into someone's ear.
@DandAinTac If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: "Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." and "1John4:7-8 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
@DandAinTac If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
@DandAinTac I just respond your qestion "Here is what I would ask a "Devout Christian": If you became absolutely convinced, that God wanted you to blow up a building full of people, would you do it? You cannot say "God would never do that,"" So it's the same question for you, ATHEIST LEADERS, HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN KILL OR RESPECT THE FREEDOM OF OTHERS, AND THEY CHOSE TO KILL... SO YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER ANYWAY. WE GOT THE STATE ATHEISM HISTORY TO ANSWER FOR YOU.
Basically any criticism of this story is based on the assumption that it did happen.... there is no archaeological evidence for it.... There is only reference of it in the book of Joshua thus one could wonder... was it the way it said it happened or was the story fabricated over another? what do you think
How so? Regardless of whether or not it did happen, it is taken as truth by the people in question, and their moral support for it is what's shocking.
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Exactly, moral support was the basis of such stories to be fabricated. For example, would you consider murder what the Revolutionary Army did in the American revolution? Killing British soldiers who where only teenagers. How about the native americans they used as guides and canon fodder? Would you then not write books regarding the "rightful acts" (even Godly acts) of the American Revolution to gain support? Dawkins makes a very simple mistake Nationalism is not Religion...
sadly they miss your point... these texts are not trust worthy...men wrote them and often men have axes to grind...that goes for all of these so called holy texts and all commentary afterwards...
There's no evidence, let alone archaelogical evidence, for many of the stories in the Bible, but you still take them as fact. If you refuse one story for one reason, then you must reject all the other stories that the same reason is applicable. You would, otherwise, be a hypocrite.
anyway ive got my life to attend to. If you are just trying to prove your better then someone else on the internet by being right thats kinda sad and makes you worse. If you seriously want to know more about Creation you can ask me and i'll get back to you when i get back on.
Secondly, the ratio of 14C/12C in the atmosphere has not been constant—for example it was higher before the industrial era when the massive burning of fossil fuels released a lot of carbon dioxide that was depleted in 14C. This would make things which died at that time appear older in terms of carbon dating. So it is not actually very accurate.
Every story(urban myths) one hears about the horrid miscalculations of carbon dating you can't help but wonder why they try to use it to their advantage.Same old story,if it works to our advantage it's proof.If it doesn't,it's garbage.
If carbon-14 dating isn't accurate and constantly improving,why then do christians want to retest the shroud of Turin.If it is shown to be 2,000 years old you'll never hear the end of christians praising the wonders of carbon dating.If it doesn't meet their wishes,they'll slam it without scientific reason!
unless they were Jewish or opposing him and committed genocide on millions and tried to take over the world. You see no one is perfect, you think God is mean because he sends people to hell and killed heaps of people in the Old testament? Firstly he made them he has the right to destroy what he made, secondly he made hell cos no one in their right mind would want to go to hell so more people will worship him but if you don't want to thats fine.
Don't forget, those people in the Bible that were killed some of them might possibly get corporal punishment in America. These people sacrificed their own children to idols. They were cruel and had no problem in torturing others.
no form of radioactive dating has been proven inaccurate. otherwise scientists would stop using it, lol. Of course, they still use it because it's accepted by all scientists. But keep reading those reports you find on google with made up information....
the first birds (animals with feathers) started in the jurassic period. there is plenty of evidence and fossils to back this up. The basal bird Archaeopteryx is the "missing link" you were looking for.
I just explained to you how they did. The took some rocks that they knew how old they were and carbon dating showed it to be a couple of million years old. you need more then just one bird to be a missing link. No amount of natrual selection can fix this since wings only become effective for survival once they are fully developed and work. Half way in between would inhibit movement and cause it to die according to evolution.
Once again, your story is bullshit. What's the title of the post and what academic journal is it in? lol and don't tell me it wasn't published because then it's obviously bullshit.
lol so for every time you ask for a missing link, we need more? And by the way there are plenty.
The first transition from Archaeopteryx to Cryptovolans marks the first real "bird". look it up for yourself einstein. the first birds probably couldn't fly (you're right for once)- but they could glide...
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
I have to ask what the name of this music is, because it is awesome when used properly. Anyone?
jacksawild 6 months ago
@jacksawild its from hl2
lockwyn 5 months ago
@lockwyn Is that Half-Life 2?
jacksawild 5 months ago
@jacksawild yes
lockwyn 5 months ago
believe an atheist who says he can be good, by self-consciousness. It's like, believe to a crocodile, which has an open mouth and says he is not going to bite you. Atheists do not believe in God then, why morality? This was what brought down Russia. Communism managers, in majority, were thieves and dishonest for 2 reasons: 1) they knew they had only one life to live. 2) too much valued their lives and their families.
atheists concepts make unrealistic and useless morality.
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 More flawed logic. Russia failed because of corruption so all atheism is corrupt? By that logic all members of the Roman Catholic Church are murders and child molesters. Can you even try to think up a rational argument?
All religion does is codify the pre-existing moral codes by which civilization thrives. Look at the 10 commandments. Only one or two deals with the relationship with god and the rest deal with the relationship with society. Morality precedes religion.
captwasabi 5 months ago
@captwasabi "Russia failed because of corruption so all atheism is corrupt?" Not only in Rusia, the same was China, Korea, Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Albania, Romania, Cuba, Etc.. etc. .. etc. Atheism is bullshit. And this: " Only one or two deals with the relationship with god and the rest deal with the relationship with society. Morality precedes religion..." I hear that stupidity from many atheist videos here in youtube, & now you? hahaha you stupid, ignorant, fool, deceived.
sanyo1974 5 months ago
@sanyo1974 Again, your logic is flawed. None of these countries you listed have failed on the scale that Russia did. In fact, China is one of the most powerful nations on the earth right now. For you to categorically state that "Atheism is bullshit" without being able to substantiate that position merely demonstrates to all of us that you have little desire to actually discuss anything. As for your last point, so what? You have again done nothing to refute the veracity of my claim.
captwasabi 5 months ago
@sanyo1974 And speaking about being a "stupid, ignorant fool" I took this from your channel. "In the wake of the furor over Darwin's idea that humans were descended from apes"
Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and yet again, wrong.
The only people who claim that man evolved from apes are idiotic, inbred religious fanatics who don't have the commonsense of a mushroom. You know, people like you.
Darwin claims that all primates, including man, have a common ancestor. Try learning before you post
captwasabi 5 months ago
Okay , am a Palestinian guy. I have not hurt any one in my life and am doing PhD in Rehabilitation to help children with disability. If I was murdered would you take it as how these guys took it . I am a human being regardless of other details.
oftiti2000 10 months ago
It's apparent that religion is a form of mental illness.
TheDano1947 1 year ago
you know what i did the experience with adult and the result was the same , when i told the story with first general lin they comdan it but than i chow the texte to them and say in reallity it came from the bible and it was not general lin but joshoua and god command it you should have see their face than i comfroted them with their own morals
mystisme 1 year ago
Richard Dawkins should give another speech - how to justify a straw man argument.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 Except that there was no straw man argument present in this speech. Try learning what the term means before using it.
captwasabi 5 months ago
How to justify a genocide? You can't do it and claim absolute morality in the same breathe, theists, so you have to cop out with the God excuse. Which of course will make their God look like a hypocrite unless they say morality depends on God's mood, which of course will make it subjective like the rest of human morality.
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
I thought I had music playing in another window, but it was part of this video.
I like the musical track you used, but it's misplaced in this video.
OzStone 1 year ago
Why the distracting music? It's not like the talking isn't enough on its own to hold your attention for 8 minutes.
Ursacke 1 year ago
Why must every video on youtube have music
garrettmarcus 1 year ago 2
There is no difference between Joshua & Hitler - apart from scale. The ideologies are identical. Attempts by Christians to salvage the morality of such episodes are hopeless, because there is *no* way to say that "kill everyone" = "Love one another". Judged by the Sermon on the Mount the episode is evil - to say otherwise amounts to saying that the ethics of Jesus & Hitler are the same; & that is blasphemous, as well as immoral. Only by some pre-Christian standards is the episode moral.
5355vbxjbj76rvn 1 year ago
@5355vbxjbj76rvn
"There is no difference between Joshua & Hitler"
Except that God gave Joshua the power to win so many battles against such odds that it was as supernatural as the Jordan drying up and the walls of Jericho falling. Hitler used mere might.
Also except that Joshua's God who ordered it created every cell of every person His wrath came upon, and knew their every thought, intention and deed. Hitler was an ignorant hypocrite to say the least.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 save it. this is exactly what dawkins is taking about. this same crap. and if someone came on tv and said God told them to kill a whole race of people. you would think they were crazy. just like joshua.
WordsofHarmony 1 year ago
@WordsofHarmony
Except the Israelites had tons of proof in miracles. They were guided by a pillar of fire at night, and when crossing the Jordan, it temporarily dried up for them and resumed flowing. Then this ragged band of desert wandering ex-slaves encircled a city completely outnumbered and outmatched by a fortified Jericho, when the walls miraculously fell down at a trumpet's blast.
I would abhor it, too, if some guy thought he had to kill on a whim, but God was the one killing.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 u cant derive proof from a false book...sorry. And it was a genocide. dont make excuses for false claims in a false book either. and if god had done the killing, which is false. he would be a god i would not want to worship. good thing this god is not "good'"and this god is not real.
WordsofHarmony 1 year ago
@WordsofHarmony
"u cant derive proof from a false book."
You're changing the subject. The argument you were making was that in the situation presented in the Bible, Joshua was immoral to obey God's commands, and that it was basically equal to some guy on TV telling you to go do the same.
I pointed out why there's no parallel, then you abandoned your point to change the subject to whether or not its true.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@WordsofHarmony
"And it was a genocide."
Simply stating so matter of factly fails to address the argument of Rahab which proves you wrong. Clearly this was not about race or citizenship, but about God's judgment on souls. Many Old Testament verses to back that up demonstrating that.
Hitler didn't care if Jews repented or even were Christian. Hutus didn't care about Tutsis. They just wanted Tutsis. But God examines the heart. That's why it wasn't genocide, as badly as you wish it was.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 Right. So you're trusting the geological knowledge of people from 4,000 years ago? Really? Plus through al the language translation these stories went through? Are you seriously that stupid?
captwasabi 5 months ago
@WordsofHarmony
Furthermore, it wasn't even a genocide, but God's judgment on souls. If it was a genocide, Rahab would have had to have been killed too, not to mention her family.
Clearly what is happening here is not what critics wish it was.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 I'm pretty sure if Hitler won the war, there would be a lot of miraculous victories by the Nazis in the history book.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
I'm pretty sure Hitler wouldn't have gone on writing in meticulous detail what a bunch of cowards the Aryans are and talk about in length how these people had to be encouraged and coaxed to go, how they trembled.
Also, Hitler covered up what he did, which was not for any concern for the German people as he was more than willing to senselessly send his soldiers into death. But while what the Jews record would be most detestable to the nations, they bear the record out.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 so... how can you justify the bible's genocide because of the insurmountable odds that only God could have overcome? Why can't whoever wrote the bible be similarly covering the true story up?
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
"so... how can you justify the bible's genocide"
Mankind deserved to die completely in Genesis 3. There's nothing to justify. Those people are actually indebted to God for blessing them with the life they did get.
"Why can't whoever wrote the bible be similarly covering the true story up?"
This question is separate from the point of debating whether God had the right to pour out His wrath from whether it actually happened.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 About the first statement, you basically just conceded that religion justify genocides, if someone commit Genocide today, no one in their right mind would encourage them, unless they're done in the name of their God then at least some of their fellow followers would agree.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
"unless they're done in the name of their God then at least some of their fellow followers would agree."
The difference between a mere man telling you to do something and the God of Joshua who miraculously parted the Jordan river and made a wall explode at a trumpet blast and demonstrated Himself through many miracles is easily seen.
You desire to equate the two situations purely for hate, not reason, to accuse.
But you have your straw man, and you may gamble your soul on it.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 About the second statement, the question was never whether God has the right, it's whether man has the right in the name of God. God spoke the Universe into existence, if he wants to kill mere men all he has to do is think it, why does he need a man to do his deed?
Now, it's almost universally agreed that genocides committed by the Nazis were wrong, but isn't it possible that if he had won the war, there would be a new book added to the bible?
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
"it's whether man has the right in the name of God."
Joshua could not take that ragged band of cowardly former slaves who have wandered the desert to the fortified city of Jericho and win alone. We agree that man has no right, but God does, and if one elderly man had been given a feather to cut down their whole army, God could also have made it so.
"why does he need a man to do his deed?"
Not need, but chose. God used the Babylonians the same way over Israel.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 That's the point, the genocides that the Nazis committed, by your definition, would have been justified if they had won the war, because, as I've said before, history is written by the victors, and they would have had to overcome equally insurmountable odds with clear signs showing that God was on their side, what gives?
What you write only confirms the video's statement that religion can be dangerous because it can be the basis of justifying genocides.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
"the genocides that the Nazis committed, by your definition, would have been justified if they had won the war, because, as I've said before, history is written by the victors,"
I hardly think the Jews won the war and then said: "Hey, you want to paint us as a bunch of stiff necked cowards that needed encouraging, who were reprimanded by God who said we're not getting this for our own righteousness" and so on?
They keep self condemning records because the tale is told honestly.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 I don't think the Nazi's would be kept self condemning records, and by your definition, if the story is told to have miraculous victories, then it must be God's will. You are now asserting that it's okay to commit genocides as long as it's described to be miraculous, if there is evidence that they are self critical about some other things that happened, because they must be honest.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
"it can be the basis of justifying genocides."
No, it can't, because those examples you point to are God's wrath on evil sinners and were accomplished through miracles, which in a post-crucifixion time would be impossible to perform while following the New Testament.
There is no danger.
However, atheism allows evil people to think they can get away with it, whereas the New Testament does not.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 Please explain how Atheism allow people to get away with genocides. Evil people are evil, and they are everywhere, and they will always try to justify their actions no matter what they believe.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
"Evil people are evil, and they are everywhere, and they will always try to justify their actions no matter what they believe."
Thank you.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 Where's the bit about Atheism, specifically, that let evil people think they can get away with it?
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
Atheists who do good things when they don't have to happen to have integrity. People who don't who are willing to murder and do horrible things can feel confident that if they can get away with it in terms of society not punishing them, that there is no God or afterlife to worry about.
Strong atheism, the mockery of theism, removes that safeguard for all sorts of evil people who want to do all sorts of things.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 The same can be said of religious people, they can become convinced that they have been commanded by God to commit acts that you and I consider evil, but they would have nothing to fear about society's judgement, because only God can judge. Even if society gives him the death penalty, he will spend eternity in heaven.
For the record, I disagree with strong atheism that mock theism, I believe people can believe in whatever they find comfort in.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
"they can become convinced that they have been commanded by God to commit acts that you and I consider evil,"
As long as they are also convinced that the New Testament does not apply to them, which means they would not be Christians by definition, which means you're not criticizing Christianity but false religions.
"Even if society gives him the death penalty, he will spend eternity in heaven."
If you bother reading the New Testament, you find many quotes that refute your straw man.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 I won't pretend to have read the bible cover to cover, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong by quotations. Let say a married christian man follows the New Testament, and he forces his wife to submit to his every whim. Now, I consider this to be cruel and would at least amount to psychological torture, if not worse. In this case, according to the new testament, it is his right because he is the head of the family, and society's judgement don't apply for reasons cited previously.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@highwind8124 you said after crucifixion time, it is impossible to justify genocides based on the new testament, and yet, genocides goes on, in the form of holy wars, some of whom were Christians who carried out their action in the name of God.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
"genocides goes on, in the form of holy wars, some of whom were Christians who carried out their action in the name of God."
Okay, quote me the war and then explain how Jesus and the New Testament writers are responsible. If you rehash some event the New Testament forbids and does not tell you to do, but the Catholic church and Pope did, then you have no argument.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 Why not? The point is, these genocides were started based on religious difference and justified using their interpretation of the religion, therefore, religion have been used as a basis for genocides.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
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highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 I don't believe that religion is the sole basis for justifying genocides, far from it, but it certainly can be one, and it can be a very strong one, because a religious argument is almost always unfalsifiable so the reasoning just need to go to God and that's the end of it. I think you too know that your religion have been used to justify evil acts.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@Rice8Daddy
I think it's great that we just established that you utterly can't. We deflated that balloon fast.
Your point is like saying: "Why not? Governments are used to start wars. Wars are based on differences between governments. So I'm going to blame ALL governments."
Broad generalizing is fundamental to racism as well.
highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124 also, you 'goverment' argument is invalid, because, christians, specifically, have started wars and used their religion to justify it, I didn't make that explicit in my argument because Christianity is not the only religion that does it.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
@highwind8124
All forms of collectivism are violence-based. The moment collectivism was put into forms of state and organized religion, wars and conquest started in the neolithic era. The state and organized religion have their birth in blood. Try to secede from any government and watch how "peaceful" they are. You CAN blame ALL government. The ironic thing is that governments thrive on much the same collectivism as racism does. Love for the "state". Love for the "race".
tridentmovies 1 year ago
@highwind8124 Hm... you example is a bit extreme, more so than the story discussed in the video, and sure, if someone managed to do that, not many people would be able to dispute God's existence, but it hasn't happened, nothing even remotely similar has happened in documented history confirmed by multiple sources.
Rice8Daddy 1 year ago
All interested parties check out these books: The Great Controversy, The Secret History of the Jesuits, Under the Heel of Mary, The National Sunday Law, The Keys of This Blood, Secret Sin of Foolish Virgins, Vatican, Washington, Moscow Alliance. Thanks. ellenwhiteestate. organization. Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him who made heaven, and the earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water. Rev. 14.
bornbythesea 1 year ago
@bornbythesea yes, check out those books if you want fill your head with nonsense. If you want to read books about imaginary monsters, read the greek and norse myths. Jesus predicted the end times would come within the lifetime of those he preached to, guess what ? it never happened.
1empathy 1 year ago
@1empathy No, dear one, He meant those that who were alive in the days of this prophecy would see these things. That was His inference. Thanks.
bornbythesea 1 year ago
@bornbythesea Matthew 16:28, 23:36, 24:34, 26:64 Mark 9:1, 13:30 Luke 9:27, 21:32
1empathy 1 year ago
Revelation 3:17-20 (NASB95)
17 'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,
19 'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
20 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
digital0707neo 1 year ago
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In math 0 always equals 0. You can’t get away from that. Stephen Hawkins has said, “there must always be a first cause, then the effect.” In order to have a universe of matter, and a beginning of space time, there had to be some power outside the finite, to start the engine. Infinite something above the finite. The question “so where did God come from,” is answered in the infinite. Something out of nothing, still leaves us with nothing starting everything.
digital0707neo 1 year ago
A "god" that wants material wealth? How does that work?
Was it not merely a god-emperor (a human) who had deceived his followers into thinking he's a 'real' god?
rspawn 1 year ago
To date, one-third of this video's views have so far given it a negative rating. There must be many genocide fans viewing Dawkins' videos.
heathdwatts 1 year ago
@heathdwatts I think most of it was from the loud background music.
DeePhlat 1 year ago
@DeePhlat I hope that is the case.
heathdwatts 1 year ago
So what do some of you atheists think about late-term abortions?
Sygnius 1 year ago
Yes, but on the other hand Harton could do his experiment and publish the results without being killed. Also the comments on Jezus are weak. Harton says "Jezus was a loyal jew who didn't want his learnings to be told to non jews." Very nice but the new testament doesn't say so, so the argument is simpley invalid. I'm not used to such weak arguments from mr. Dawkins.
Math2Anton 1 year ago
i cnt remember. which of dawkins' video was this from? virus of faith?
vivian333999 1 year ago
Here is what I would ask a "Devout Christian": If you became absolutely convinced, that God wanted you to blow up a building full of people, would you do it? You cannot say "God would never do that," because there are many instances in the Bible where God has commanded his followers to violence, sometimes ordering genocide and the slaughter of innocent children. So, if you were ABSOLUTELY convinced, would you do it? The honest answer to the question is why religion is so dangerous.
DandAinTac 1 year ago 17
@DandAinTac The honest answer to the question is why Atheist people like Dawkins is so reptil and liar. Because that ancient Biblical histories was a deal of God with the people of isrrael. Not With you and me. and that way to proceed judgements agains people with cruelty and death, have relation with the idiosincrasy of barbarian people, in barbarian times, and the way of live of people who live thinkin in kill and conquer. You need to be cinical liar, to related that times with people of today
sanyo1974 10 months ago
@sanyo1974 I noticed that you didn't really answer the question. Yes or no. If you were absolutely convinced that God wanted you to blow up a building full of people--would you do it? I mean really, truly believed God intended you to do this? How about murder your own child--like Abraham was commanded to do--without knowing whether an angel would stay your hand?
DandAinTac 10 months ago
@DandAinTac If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: Matthew22:37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
sanyo1974 10 months ago
@sanyo1974 So you would dare to read God's own word back to him? He's the almighty--right? He makes the rules. All he has to say is: "This is a new deal--throw out all that nonsense. This is a new commandment! I've decided to change the rules." He could even just say "You've interpreted that wrong. I'm God, now just do as I say." Do you believe God is all powerful, all knowing and all good, or not. Do you really believe, or not?
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac If you are going to related religious people with barbarian histories, then we need to related atheist people with the massacre of the Europe, Atheist Lider of the XIX and XX centuries, recent phenomenas, like Stalin, or Pol Pot, Lenin, Mao Tse, or any Atheist Massive killer of this world like Elias Calles, because they say they was atheist also. And they never worry about kill religious people or even opposers not religious, because without god, every think is possible. thats worst.
sanyo1974 10 months ago
@sanyo1974 I've never claimed that all atheists are good. Regardless of one's religion, good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things, but religion can turn an otherwise decent human being to commit the most heinous crimes imaginable. Anything is possible when you think God is commanding you. Stalin and Mao may have done bad things, but there was no "atheist God" commanding them to do so. Their atheism was incidental. Please answer the question. Would you do it?
DandAinTac 10 months ago
@DandAinTac If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. "Romans 15:2 Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up."
sanyo1974 10 months ago
@DandAinTac AND If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, and that god read to me the Biblical passages from Genesis Deuteronomy Leviticus or Numbers, as You do. Then i would read at the beginning of each book, quoted by you: Deuteronomy: "Tell the Israelites" Numbers: "Tell the Israelites" Leviticus: "Tell the Israelites" THE PROBLEM HERE IS, IF AN ATHEIST GUY ASK TO YOU TO KILL PEOPLE, WHAT DID YOU GOING TO TELL HIM ? REMEMBER THERE IS NO GOD, SO NOBODY JUDGE YOU.
sanyo1974 10 months ago
@sanyo1974 This may take more than one post. So, is this a yes or a no? Also, is the God in the Old Testament a different God? Regardless of Jesus--it's still the same God--right? Otherwise, why would the early church fathers incorporate the OT into the Bible? It's still possible God could give orders like this. Why would he have the Israelites do this, and no one else ever? If we should disregard the nasty stuff in the OT--should we disregard the 10 Commandments also? (continued)
DandAinTac 10 months ago
@sanyo1974 Now, as far as an atheist, if another atheist (or a God) told me fill a truck with explosives and go blow up a building full of innocent people, I would say FU! And as far as no consequences--give me a break! There are LOTS of consequences. I would be arrested for sure, and probably tried and executed. I would indeed be judged by my fellow human beings--it is we who create morality, after all, not some mythical being. And I would judge myself--because harming other people is wrong...
DandAinTac 10 months ago
@DandAinTac So you say about kill people: "There are LOTS of consequences, 1) I would be arrested 2) probably tried and executed 3) I would indeed be judged by my fellow human beings.." Read your self I,I,I,I,I YOU and every time YOU, just YOU and anyone than YOU, Never speak about mabe this people have kids,and families affected, or this people are human beings that "God apreciate". Well, there is countries that never judge you if you kill people, So your atheist is still be dangerous anyway
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 Are you accusing me of vanity? What is vain is believing there's an all-powerful God that's watching YOU and listening to YOUR prayers, when he has the whole rest of the universe to worry about. Anyway, space is limited, so it didn't give me room to explain principles like how we are all in this together, and it's to our mutual benefit to live and work together cooperatively. Morality is innate in us. We don't need a God (or a priest really) to tell us what is right and wrong.
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac "principles like how we are all in this together" I already heard that many times, Read The Lenin's famous "April Theses" Atheist Lider of XIX & XX centuries speak all the time about work together, at the end, each took his way, and ended by choosing to live their lives regardless of others. Atheism has its history. I do not believe in men who have only one life. All those who at one time believed in men who talked about working together, lived after repenting of believing false lies
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 Since you continually try to lump atheism with Communism, and blame atheism for the things Stalin and other Communist leaders did, then I guess it's only fair that I do the same for all the Christian rulers. Let's start with Hitler, a Roman Catholic, and proceed to King Leopold II of Belgium and his horrid crimes in the Congo, and move on to Kaiser Wilhelm, Emporer Franz Joseph, all the Tsars, Kings and Emperors ad nauseum, as well as the inquisition, all the witch burnings...
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac You continually try to lump Nazism with Christianity, and blame christians for the things Hitler and other Europeans leaders did, So I'll do the same for all the Atheism rulers. Let's start with Staling in Russia and his horrid crimes, and move on to China, with Mao Tse, an Atheist massive killer, destructor of a chinesse millenarium culture, liders like Pol Pot an atheist massive killer, as well as the The Khmer Rouge: the followers of the Atheist Party of Kampuchea.. and so on..
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 If you lump Communist leaders who happen to be atheist in with their wars and crimes, then I can do the same with those who are not atheist. This means, all the US presidents and wars, Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, all the European leaders, the Tsars of Russia, all the Imams, Mullahs and Caliphs of Iran, Iraq, Turkey, all the religious leaders of Africa, and on and on and on. You are bound to lose. You never did answer the question. Would you do it if God asked you to?
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac Maybe you dont read my answer to that question Ok read again: If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: Matthew22:37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
sanyo1974 9 months ago
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@DandAinTac & If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: "Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." and "1John4:7-8 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
sanyo1974 9 months ago
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@DandAinTac & If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 ...all the torture, all the pogroms, the murderous rampages by Israelites detailed in the Bible, the brutal colonialism of the European powers in Africa and Asia, the rampages of the Ottoman Empire, all the wars in the Middle East, suicide bombings, the Taliban, 9/11, Al Qaida--on and on and on. Do you REALLY want to stack the crimes and body count of theists up against atheists? Do you REALLY want to do this? Anything is possible with God's blessing.
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac The torture, all the pogroms, the murderous rampages by Rusian Atheist leaders detailed in the history, the brutal masacre by Pol Pot, Mao Tse, of the European Atheism in Africa and Asia the rampages of the Korean Atheism all the wars throughout the world womans and kids was murdered in Hungary Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia. Do you REALLY want to stack the crimes and body count of Atheists up against religious people and oppositors not religious? Anything is possible without God
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 Yes--you're on. By the way, "European atheism in Africa and Asia"? Oh no you don't! The Europeans were Christian, and the massacres and atrocities were specifically justified by Christianity. You don't get to attribute those to atheism. I'll grant you Mao, Stalin and other Soviet cold war victims, Pol Pot, and half of the Chinese Civil War, and half the Russian Civil War, and half the Korean War, half the Soviet-Afghan war, now make your case. Mine will take a lot longer.
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac The Europeans were Christian?? You can lie to any ignorant fool adolescent here, but not to me, Europeans from the XIX & XX they are more than 70% atheist people. Comunism is a phenomena from atheist ideas, genetist phenomena in USA is from badly atheist ideas. Hittler was a good ATHEIST, he just want to exterminate inferior races, and obey the darwinism science. Nazis from today they still be racist Atheist liers. Just like Hittler and Richard Dawkins. The same lies. Nothing new.
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 Good grief. You are truly deluded if you think the Europeans were atheist! You may be entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. It is a FACT the Europeans were overwhelmingly Christian. Hitler: "I am and shall always be a Catholic" and in Mein Kampf, he declared he was doing "God's Will". The very first treaty the Nazis made was with the Vatican!!! And the Catholic Church celebrated Hitler's birthday right up to the end!
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac You are truly deluded if you think the Europeans were Christians! You may be entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. It is a FACT the Europeans were overwhelmingly Darwinist. Hitler: "I will feel those CLERICS condemned the power of the state" and Hitler say too: "The heaviest blow suffered by humanity was the coming of Christianity". Quoted from "conversations between Hitler and Bormann", in "Hitler: A Study in Tyranny" by Allan Bullock. 1933
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 The Nazi oath started with "in the name of almighty God", and on the belt buckle of every soldier it said (in German) "God on our side." The Europeans were overwhelmingly Christian. All the guards in the concentration camps--overwhelmingly Christian. The long history of the bloody'handed Czars of Russian, all Russian Orthodox. Even today, Europe still is largely Christian, although atheism has made big in-roads--but you don't see the massacres and wars any more, do you?
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac The Nazi oath started with "cleaning race", and on the mind of every soldier it said "we are a superior race" The Europeans were overwhelmingly Darwinist Atheist. All the guards in the concentration camps--overwhelmingly Darwinist. The long history of the state atheism in Russian, all Russian liders. Even today, Europe still is largely atheist, although atheist massacre has made big in-roads--but you don't see the Atheist massacres and wars any more, do you?
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@DandAinTac THE PROBLEM HERE IS, IF AN ATHEIST GUY ASK TO YOU TO KILL PEOPLE, WHAT DID YOU GOING TO TELL HIM ? REMEMBER THERE IS NO GOD, SO NOBODY JUDGE YOU. AND IN TIMES OF WAR, AS IT WAS THE 1RTH & 2ND WORLD WAR, ATHEIST LEADERS, HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN KILL OR RESPECT THE FREEDOM OF OTHERS, AND THEY CHOSE TO KILL... SO YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER ANYWAY. WE GOT THE STATE ATHEISM HISTORY TO ANSWER FOR YOU.
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 If an atheist told me to kill someone, I'd tell him to fuck off, then I'd report him to the cops. I don't need a God to tell me to do that. I can rely on my own innate morality, and my own brains, instead of the delusion of some magic dude. We are not children anymore--we can figure out right and wrong for ourselves. That which leads to less pain and suffering is good. Those actions which increase suffering, are evil. How hard is that?
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac "I don't need a God to tell me to do that. I can rely on my own innate morality" Oh sure, you confirm the Bible say READ: Rom2:14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 AND, there you go again! The vast majority of all killers, murderers, perpetrators of rape, genocide, slavery, and torture have been religious. The guards and gas chamber operators at Treblinka, Chelmno, Auschwitz, Sobibor, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau--the vast majority of them were Christian. You are playing with a weak hand. You keep trying to pretend that atheists are the ones who did all the bad stuff--it's just not true, no matter how much you try to claim it is.
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 Finally, you still have not answered the question! You keep dodging it. WOULD YOU DO IT? If you believed God was telling you to blow up a building full of people would you do it?? Absolutely convinced--it really was God telling you, that he had this purpose in mind for you? Do you believe in God or not? Are his orders to be obeyed without question? Tell me. Spill it!
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac & If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: "Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." and "1John4:7-8 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." & if that god mention the OT them i'll read Hebrews 8 & 9 and Gal.3
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 So your answer is no? Is that what you are telling me? We've been down this road before, and I don't think I'm going to get a yes or no answer from you, because of the uncomfortable implications either way. I congratulate you though, on your superior sense of morality compared to all true believing Christians I've posed this answer to--who admit they would. I don't think you're really one of them though. I think down deep, you know it can't be true, otherwise,
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 because if you truly believed that God was all-powerful, and importantly in this case, ALL GOOD, and all knowing, it would not occur to you to question God's perfect justice. You would strike that knife (or in this case bomb) down just like Abraham did, trusting God completely. However, your answer makes a lot of sense if you doubt deep down, but don't want to admit it. Don't feel bad though, I was once like you--and it's hard to "give up the ghost" so to speak because of...
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 ...because of fear of Hell, and powerful social pressures to conform to the majority belief system, not to mention family and community. You've taken the first step--saying NO to God. Now start asking the next questions.
DandAinTac 9 months ago
@DandAinTac Well Sr. to question God's commands It never make me an atheist (not again). If you realy read the Bible, you will find many prophets and people of God, question to God about some commands like kill people or about destroy towns, thats many times, So the problem here is understand the Biblical story and its real meaning, and in the case of facts, every story who treat about judgement, is to prevent for the injustice.
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@DandAinTac Now every Masacre related to the europeans atheist leaders, in the recent XIX & XX's, is real facts, and injustice methods by violations of freedom. And related too, with stupid wrong ideas, coming from men of science like eugenics, Racism, and the intencion to control others. There is no evil so dangerous, that the evil brought to the world by scientists. Evil, is every time related with selfishness (a form of atheism), elites and power, Is not related with BIBLICAL Christianity.
sanyo1974 9 months ago
@sanyo1974 You're lack of understanding is fucking amazing. Very typical for bible thumping morons. The few leaders who were atheists, were not motivated by atheism. Stalin wasnt moticated by atheism but communism. Other than Stalin, who else are you talking about? Atheists are much more peaceful and moral than theists. The tradegy and evil that has come from evil religious leaders is incomparible. You're obviously uneducated and unintellegent, maybe I was too harsh on you
MrKGatl 7 months ago
@MrKGatl You're lack of understanding is fucking amazing. Very typical for Dikie Dawkins folowers morons. The few leaders who were atheists, were fully motivated by comunism atheist. Stalin wasnt moticated by religious but Atheism communism. Other than Stalin, Was Poll Pot, Mao Tse, Henver Hoxa, Hittler are much more assasings and inmoral than theists. The tradegy and evil that has come from evil comunist atheist leaders is incomparible. You're obviously uneducated and unintellegent.
sanyo1974 7 months ago
@sanyo1974 Communism and atheism are not the same thing. Hitler was a Roman Catholic and said that killing jews was for the christian god
MrKGatl 7 months ago
@MrKGatl Christianity and nazism are not the same thing. Hitler was an Atheist Liar , thats well known in germany. and if you say that Hitler said, that killing jews was for the christian god, (when every body know that jewish are the people chosen one of god) and even knowing so, you want to believe that Hitler was a good christian preacher door by door...? or nazis was a good jehova witnesses? That;s because you are an ignorant fool, who want to believe in this cinical liar atheist guys.
sanyo1974 7 months ago
@sanyo1974 Whats wrong with you, I wrote a short comment and you still didnt understand it. I never said that christianity and nazism are the same thing. You are obvioulsy uneducated and believe the religious propaganda about hitler. Im going to give you a simple quote that is FROM THE MOUTH OF HITLER HIMSELF."I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord" Mein Kampf
MrKGatl 7 months ago
@MrKGatl Whats wrong with you, you wrote a short and superficial comment, cause you still didnt understand the history cause you don't read history. You are obvioulsy uneducated and believe the atheist propaganda about hitler. Im going to give you a simple quote that is FROM THE MOUTH OF HITLER HIMSELF."Literature by Jewish authors, regardless of the field are strictly prohibited (Hitler speech: 1935)" By the way, Mein Kampf was writen in 1925 go to read you ignorant.
sanyo1974 7 months ago
@sanyo1974 I actually have a B.A. in History and M.A. in Epistemology. I am trained in history, which im sure you're not. What does your quote have to do with anything. Hitler, by his own words is a believer in god. Argueing this point only makes you look dumb. You might as well argue he didnt have a mustache. I am not argueing that hes a good christian at all, besides in name. But by his own admission he was a theist. I am just getting the answer straight from Hitler.
MrKGatl 7 months ago
@MrKGatl Oh Really ! So, you Have an B.A. in History and you DON'T KNOW Mein Kampf was writen in 1925??? and later Hitler prohibited Literature by Jewish authors, regardless of the field??? ha? United States people are so stupid... that the razon atheism get followers in USA because the education is a business and you dont have money, no time and no interest, for study hard.
sanyo1974 7 months ago
@sanyo1974 Where did I say that I didnt know when Mein Kampf was written. The New Testament was written by christians not Jews. Some of the best universities in the world are in the US. The people of the US arent dumb, most of them are chained by religious doctrine. Religions do not always promote education or knowledge. I have studied very hard and many people that I know have put lots of time, interest, and money into their education. Its the dumb bible thumpers that hold America back.
MrKGatl 7 months ago
@MrKGatl America -just like Rusia- will fall down, by his vicious sons, that only looking for pleasures, less work and effort, and much more money for pleasures. Its the dumb Atheist thumpers that hold America back. But for some, preffer to lose time speaking and thinking about attack every things that "take you out" from PLEASURES, like moral principles and religious. don't you atheist? I see that in Rusia, and now in your country, the history repeat again and again, What a shame!
sanyo1974 7 months ago
@sanyo1974 Russia and America are two very different countries, with very different pasts. If America falls, it will be because the religious majority wouldnt get out of the way and run the country with common sense. Well mostly America will fall because the government is not repsonsible with their money. But Atheism will certainly not hold America back, nor does it hold anything back. I dont need religion or some magical being watching over me to do the right thing.
MrKGatl 7 months ago
@MrKGatl Russian administrators of the government, stolen goods of people's, because they thought in make it rich first, not in the people, because they are atheist liar. Russian people knows that, Ayn Rand hate Rusia because of that.The US government, administers the war to develop the arms race, a millionaire business belonging to families with tradition in this area and politics.You just want to believe in a godless and happy world that this atheist tell you. Keep dreaming you fool deceived.
sanyo1974 7 months ago
@sanyo1974 Just because Russia has a lot of corruption, doesnt mean that corruption and atheism are in any way linked. No atheists tells me to believe in anything, so you are gravely mistaken. Im sorry that you live in Russia, a country whos leaders have been power hungry and abusive toward the people. But atheism really had nothing to do with that. Please tell me how atheists are decieved, since we are the ones who dont believe in the fairy tales of religion. Arms race?
MrKGatl 7 months ago
@MrKGatl You say: "atheism really had nothing to do with that." that because you are an ignorant fool. Because if you realy READ HISTORY, you will find The Atheist philosophers of rusia speaking to the people and promises a new concient mens very educated in science with no religion. and you ask how atheists are decieved?? Becuase people every body see how this administrators looted throughout Europe, Albania, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Germany, and across Asia also. Keep dreaming
sanyo1974 7 months ago
@MrKGatl Let me show you why atheist are 90% cinical liars with not moral. Read your own comment : "Just because Russia has a lot of corruption, doesnt mean that corruption and atheism are in any way linked..." Now read your comment in other youtube channel: "Or we could just burn them at the stake like they wouldnt have done to us a few hundred years ago..." That's why I say that american atheist are 90% inmoral liar, and stupid ignorant fool people. Now, stop send me you comments, please.
sanyo1974 7 months ago
@sanyo1974 Oh come on, dont you know a joke when you see it. Atheists can joke about that since we dont have burning people in our past. However, Christians, have burned people in the past. Im sorry that you live in Russia are dont have the educational opportunities that we do here in America. Its not your fault that you dont understand.
MrKGatl 7 months ago
@MrKGatl Atheist dont have burning people in our past?? The heads that madethe map of Cambodia, during the atheistic regime of Pol Pot, were burned first, and Pot Pol was an atheist. The bodies of opponents-people not religious- of the Albanian state atheis, were shot first, and finally burned. Some opponents in China were dismembered and remains burned. Korean state atheism burning their opponents after shuting in a wall. I can give you more data to make jokes. Stupid American
sanyo1974 7 months ago
@sanyo1974 There is one incredibly major flaw to your argument. Arguing that a person killed by an atheist is a person killed in the name of atheism. This is flawed logic. This is like saying that if a priest get's drunk and drives and kills someone that the victim was killed in the name of Christ. This is, also, quite flawed. The argument Dawkins is putting forth is that religion excuses genocide. Atheism does not.
captwasabi 5 months ago
@captwasabi John Allen Muhammad didn't believe in fairies, therefore the Beltway sniper attacks were carried out in accordance with the dogma of not believing in fairies.
buffdaddy3144 5 months ago
@sanyo1974 ...and I don't need a god to tell me that. I'd be willing to bet you don't either. If you DID need a God to tell you that, no God would be able to stop you--just as no God is on hand to stop the other psycopaths. In short, morality is created by human beings, for sound reasons. It's how we work and function together. We can make our morality more rational by taking religion out of the picture, so that we don't have to worry about "God" whispering into someone's ear.
DandAinTac 10 months ago
@DandAinTac If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: "Galatians 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." and "1John4:7-8 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
sanyo1974 10 months ago
@DandAinTac If that god that you say, asked me to kill people, Then I would read the Bible to that god, for example: Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
sanyo1974 10 months ago
@DandAinTac I just respond your qestion "Here is what I would ask a "Devout Christian": If you became absolutely convinced, that God wanted you to blow up a building full of people, would you do it? You cannot say "God would never do that,"" So it's the same question for you, ATHEIST LEADERS, HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN KILL OR RESPECT THE FREEDOM OF OTHERS, AND THEY CHOSE TO KILL... SO YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER ANYWAY. WE GOT THE STATE ATHEISM HISTORY TO ANSWER FOR YOU.
sanyo1974 9 months ago
Just scary and sickening
abdishtar 1 year ago
To a God, one would imagen that life is far more precious then gold and silver, bronze and iron. If there is a god, they would be ashamed.
AstroMen2911 1 year ago
All hail his Holiness General Lin!!
paulpesci 2 years ago 7
Appalling.
CityzenJane 2 years ago
Scary video.
Thanks for uploading.
mad8london247 2 years ago 2
How dare you sully the good name of His Holiness General Lin!!
SomeUsefulVids 2 years ago 7
lol
doston1 2 years ago
this text is taking out of context.... thus its made an easy target....
dkrto 2 years ago
Did they destroy the city or not?
Why?
Thou shalt not Kill is in their book.
gregrutz 2 years ago
Basically any criticism of this story is based on the assumption that it did happen.... there is no archaeological evidence for it.... There is only reference of it in the book of Joshua thus one could wonder... was it the way it said it happened or was the story fabricated over another? what do you think
dkrto 2 years ago
How so? Regardless of whether or not it did happen, it is taken as truth by the people in question, and their moral support for it is what's shocking.
TMNEnglish 2 years ago 22
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Exactly, moral support was the basis of such stories to be fabricated. For example, would you consider murder what the Revolutionary Army did in the American revolution? Killing British soldiers who where only teenagers. How about the native americans they used as guides and canon fodder? Would you then not write books regarding the "rightful acts" (even Godly acts) of the American Revolution to gain support? Dawkins makes a very simple mistake Nationalism is not Religion...
dkrto 2 years ago
sadly they miss your point... these texts are not trust worthy...men wrote them and often men have axes to grind...that goes for all of these so called holy texts and all commentary afterwards...
CityzenJane 2 years ago
I think the Jews murdered everyone, but that is not the point of the video.
It is about how your religion changes your views.
Normal people would say killing children is wrong. Jews can justifiy it, just like muslims can justify killing office workers on 9/11.
gregrutz 2 years ago
There's no evidence, let alone archaelogical evidence, for many of the stories in the Bible, but you still take them as fact. If you refuse one story for one reason, then you must reject all the other stories that the same reason is applicable. You would, otherwise, be a hypocrite.
GaseousAnomaly001 2 years ago 5
anyway ive got my life to attend to. If you are just trying to prove your better then someone else on the internet by being right thats kinda sad and makes you worse. If you seriously want to know more about Creation you can ask me and i'll get back to you when i get back on.
ThreeSixtydroid 2 years ago
Secondly, the ratio of 14C/12C in the atmosphere has not been constant—for example it was higher before the industrial era when the massive burning of fossil fuels released a lot of carbon dioxide that was depleted in 14C. This would make things which died at that time appear older in terms of carbon dating. So it is not actually very accurate.
ThreeSixtydroid 2 years ago
Every story(urban myths) one hears about the horrid miscalculations of carbon dating you can't help but wonder why they try to use it to their advantage.Same old story,if it works to our advantage it's proof.If it doesn't,it's garbage.
VanGoghsEar1890 2 years ago 3
If carbon-14 dating isn't accurate and constantly improving,why then do christians want to retest the shroud of Turin.If it is shown to be 2,000 years old you'll never hear the end of christians praising the wonders of carbon dating.If it doesn't meet their wishes,they'll slam it without scientific reason!
VanGoghsEar1890 2 years ago
saynotodarwin: so, you're one of those who believes on turning the other cheek eh? lol
SurferRosa79 2 years ago 4
Sexism; Racism; War; Genocide; Infanticide; Hate-Mongering......
Only religion trys to justify all of these.
EVEN HITLER liked women and children!!
temporaldisplacement 2 years ago 4
unless they were Jewish or opposing him and committed genocide on millions and tried to take over the world. You see no one is perfect, you think God is mean because he sends people to hell and killed heaps of people in the Old testament? Firstly he made them he has the right to destroy what he made, secondly he made hell cos no one in their right mind would want to go to hell so more people will worship him but if you don't want to thats fine.
ThreeSixtydroid 2 years ago
Don't forget, those people in the Bible that were killed some of them might possibly get corporal punishment in America. These people sacrificed their own children to idols. They were cruel and had no problem in torturing others.
ThreeSixtydroid 2 years ago
As we say my country: "word to the mummyfu&%er"
temporaldisplacement 2 years ago
no form of radioactive dating has been proven inaccurate. otherwise scientists would stop using it, lol. Of course, they still use it because it's accepted by all scientists. But keep reading those reports you find on google with made up information....
the first birds (animals with feathers) started in the jurassic period. there is plenty of evidence and fossils to back this up. The basal bird Archaeopteryx is the "missing link" you were looking for.
blacksabbathgnr098 2 years ago
I just explained to you how they did. The took some rocks that they knew how old they were and carbon dating showed it to be a couple of million years old. you need more then just one bird to be a missing link. No amount of natrual selection can fix this since wings only become effective for survival once they are fully developed and work. Half way in between would inhibit movement and cause it to die according to evolution.
ThreeSixtydroid 2 years ago
Once again, your story is bullshit. What's the title of the post and what academic journal is it in? lol and don't tell me it wasn't published because then it's obviously bullshit.
lol so for every time you ask for a missing link, we need more? And by the way there are plenty.
The first transition from Archaeopteryx to Cryptovolans marks the first real "bird". look it up for yourself einstein. the first birds probably couldn't fly (you're right for once)- but they could glide...
blacksabbathgnr098 2 years ago