News Bulletin 27 May 2011 -- The Christian Institute

[videovoyeur1980]

their personal circumstances, their relationships can be more personal, successful and longer lasting. I would rather you ackonwledged the fact that humans are far more complex and diverse than this manufactured idea you have in your head, it is clearly not working when almost half of marriages end in divorce!

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 I have already answered this absurd nonsense.

Please answer my questions, and do not just run away from critical questions and reality, as fanatic gay pseudo-"rights" activists always do. Save your speeches for the next half naked, hedonistic, sex-crazed, gay parade rally.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Sorry mate you're a complete wanker. Fuck you. Sex crazed? You wish you repressed ape, go fuck a duck!

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 thank you very much for your usual gay pseudo-"rights" activists hate-filled, obnoxious, Christian hating-bashing incoherent rant.

Once again you have proved that you have NO understanding what tolerance and basic human rights REALLY are.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir You're most welcome you paedophile Holy Ghost worshipping Jesus freak, go bang your Bible on a street corner and let the public decide, I'm guessing you'll be pounded with eggs or thrown in a cell anyway. I haven't got the time to be tiptoeing round someone with the brain capacity of a 5 year old and someone with an obvious humour bypass. It's all polite polite with you fundies isn't it? Is it fuck! You're as sneeky, slimy, and obnoxious as the rest of us

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 thanks again for displaying your vile and sick hatred for Christians and Christianity. You are just the usual obnoxious bigoted gay "rights" hypocrite.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir No of course I don't, that's why I've spent nearly 2 days talking to someone who turned out to be an arsehole anyway. Why? Cause I fucking care you prick. You think we'll solve all the world's problems on YouTube? Well good luck with that, I've said what I needed to say, you obviously don't get it, you're repeating yourself, and you've shown your flawed logic and blatant bigotry against lesbian and gay people. What more can I say, we'll se how this debate goes in Parliament

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 nice psychological projection there. Please just go away with all your vile accusations and hatred.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Except you pretend you're something far more superior than that what with your invisible God designing you so perfectly. Some great design when the genitals are in the same place as the place you piss from! Just admit it, you are one bad loser and you're brains are all over sex like the rest of us, it grates on you that other people have it, flaunt it, and enjoy it when your bronze age religion says you should feel guilty. Go have another wank, or a cold shower sweet pea.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 thank you for the usual vile, foul mouthed gay pseudo-"rights" crazy rage and hysteria. Do you believe you have a "right" to be an intolerant, bigoted, sex-obsessed, abusive bully, just because you are gay? Clearly you don't understand or comprehend even the most basic principles of true and real human rights.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Oh and by the way, New York has just passed same sex marriage, so there's one more nail in your pious, self righteous coffin. Keep on giving your money to this waste of a time hetero marriage cause, the CI are making a mockery out of you. Meanwhile, the rest of civilised society will be planning the next century and our trips to the moon. At least we know that exists, unlike your unproven after-life.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 please just go away. You never were able to answer any of my questions. Don't understand basic logic. And your vile and abuse comments are just tiresome.

[videovoyeur1980]

Where's the foul language? You blatant liar! Where are the attacks any more than you have given me? You complete wimp. I simply can't be bothered, you don't have the intelligence. Civilsation will be living on mars before you dinosaur Christians have figured out whether or not two men should kiss, you are holding humanity back with your bronze age religions and ideals. Just because something is thousands of years old does not mean it should be kept for another thousand years.

[videovoyeur1980]

@videovoyeur1980 Humanity adapts, changes, advances, takes risks, progresses. Nothing is ever set in stone in this life and history has proven that, our relationships are just like life. You are far too simplistic for me to go into too much detail with, I simply don't have the time. The only reason I'm here is because your logic baffles and amuses me and your view of life and relationships. Are you really that naive in life and have you been so sheltered?

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 just answer my questions and quit presenting these simplistic gay slogans that are deprived of any real meaning and logical foundation.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Well that was a co-incidence! Up at the same time eh? It's all about the language we use toward eachother. Having two equal but separate institutions, equal in all but name, makes no logical sense. It only makes sense to those who perpetuate they myth that gay relationships are not as human, not as complex, not as loving, not as dysfunctional even, and not as real as heterosexual ones. And your argument that marriage regulates mother-father-children relationships is flawed

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 again, please explain WHY fanatic gays have to bully themselves into an institution that is meant to regulate father-mother-child relationships. Please use only logic and documented facts in your reply, and not your usual Christian bashing, gay fanatic empty slogans and simplistic wishful thinking..

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 thank you very much for yet again displaying what kind of hate-filled intolerance you gay activists show Christians, while you at the very same time constantly whine and bitch about everybody else showing YOU respect and tolerance. Pathetic hypocrites.

Everytime you hard left atheists/gay activists try to change and "evolve" basic fundamentals in our human civilizations, it ends up as a disaster. Thank you very much "progressives". You cause misery.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Disaster? lol. You really do love to place blame and point fingers. You need to understand humanity slightly better than you do at present. There have been countless movements throughout history: feminist, black civil rights, religious movements etc...you think we've arrived at this point in time due to just one? How incredibly naive. And disaster in what sense? I suppose the "righteous" considered inter-racial marriages disastrous all those years ago and a "disaster"

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 with MORE hard left atheism and pseudo gay/muslim "rights" we have got MORE crime, divorce, rape, insanity, drug abuse etc etc. NOT less.

So thank you very much, totalitarian and hysterical hard left progressives with all your retarded group thinking and bogus "rights" against individual rights, liberty and freedom.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir when rape within the marriage bed was finally recognised in law in 1991! Your ideas about human relationships, marriage, the family, life, are not realistic. You obviously don't like the fact that human relationships cannot be regulated by law, it's impossible! Humans do as they please, always have, always will. Britney Spears' 55 hour marriage is what heterosexuals are capable of, yet I've seen gay partners settled down for 15 years, with children of their own.  You see?

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir You have ideals about one man, one woman, children, happy ever after, but they are just that, ideals. Why are you wasting your time promoting marriage as the ideal by which we all should live? I'm simply saying acknowledge the reality that humans and families are complicated, open up marriage and civil partnerships to those who want them (regardless of orientation) and then hope that when people are offered the choice and a relationship model that reflects

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 what ideal? WHERE have I promoted this ideal? Are you hysterical?

Marriage is meant to regulate the ONLY known way of human reproduction, father-mother-child. Your "ideal" argumentation is absurd. Marriage is based on biological FACTS not some abstract crazy stuff from gay activists wishful thinking and vile hatred of Christianity.

[videovoyeur1980]

And how dare you, would you say the same things to an infertile woman about "not fulfilling the basic requirements" I doubt it! You clearly have it in for gay people, and you know what, it's no wonder you don't like being stood upto. Snivel all you like, you're a bigot end of story. And FYI "nature" isn't perfect, just look at you.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 please respond to my messages so I know when you reply.

I am talking about the marriage INSTITUTION! Got it? So I DO NOT talk about one individual infertile woman etc but WOMEN in GENERAL since I am talking about the marriage INSTITUTION! Are you really this low-IQ that you are unable to understand basic logic and argumentation? You belong to the hard left, right? 

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Earlier on you said "the marriage institution is implemented throughout any civilization known to man to protect and regulate parents and children. Nothing more, nothing less." You have just been shown that not every case in marriage results in children and/or not every one ends in happy ever after til death til you part? What more do you want? You have painted a rosy picture of this institution which does not fit the reality.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 don't make me laugh with your silly and unintelligent argumentation. So if you found one corrupt judge you would advocate to abolish the whole juridical system since according to your pseudologic the "institution...does not fit the reality".?

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir I don't know why I bother with the religious anyway, your whole worldview is founded on the belief that holy ghosts get little virgins pregnant! I think you should learn to prove that before ever assuming you know anything about the birds and the bees, or life in general for that matter. I think you live in the 1950's with a white picket fence somewhere in Connecticut, clearly it's not the real world.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 thank you very much for your evil prejudices and hate-filled bigotry. So, what happened to your whining about human rights, tolerance etc?

Thank you for showing the true face of the gay "rights" movement and how alien you are to REAL human rights and tolerance.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir And please look at the facts again. Almost half of marriages end in divorce. If I was selling a product that was likely to fail almost half of the time, I would not sell it without the criticism it deserved, and you are doing the same thing with marriage. Equal marriage rights are founded on the principle that gay and lesbian people have the same right to fall in love, settle down, and maybe have children. This is a human desire, not a gay one, not a straight one.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 oh no, more pseudologic.

1. If marriage is a failed instituion, WHY would gays want to join?

2. I said PARTNERSHIP is OK. WHY should you bully yourself into the marriage institution, designed and regulated for parents with children?

3. So you claim that you can NOT fall in love, settle down etc OUTSIDE marriage? An institution you yourself claim is failed. Do you see your own illogical gay activist bigotry and incoherent argumentation?

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Do you see your own bigotry? Please take a look at your words. I'm saying gays and lesbians deserve the chance, the choice, the opportunity to commit to the partner they have chosen to settle down with. Of course it fails some of the time, that's life. I'm not the one promoting it as the perfect standard by which we should all live, you are! I am simply saying all consenting adults should have the opportunity to get married. That's their choice, their right, their decision.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 again, please try to use rational arguments and not just empty gay slogans.

1. WHY marriage and NOT partnership?

I have already explained the difference between the two, but you, of course, ignore it and ramble on about rights etc, displaying that you have no clue what the marriage institution really is.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Are you insane? Partnerships and marriages are separate but almost equal institutions, separate but equal is not good enough for those who want full equality. The purpose of marriage? Perhaps bigoted heterosexuals like yourself should learn to prove that this so called purpose is working before expecting gay people to settle for less. Insane accusations? Like what, do explain.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 full equality? Are you nuts? HOW can you EVER gain full equality when you DO NOT fulfil the basic, fundamental requirements. Marriage regulates FATHER-MOTHER-CHILDREN legal and socio-economical aspects. Always have.

So exactly WHAT within the marriage institution do you gays want that you DO NOT find in a partnership institution. Please be specific and no retarded nonsensical slogans based on hard left stupidity and Marxism.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Oh my God you are crazy, the basic requirements? This is going in circles. The minute you say infertile people should not be able to get married is the minute I believe you are not a bigot. Perhaps then, there may be some shred of consistency in your logic.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 that's NOT what I said. Don't lie pleas.

Again, WHAT exactly are the specific reasons that you gay activists should bully yourself into the marriage institution, something which regulates father-mother-children issues, and NOT a partnership institution.

You dodge my question all the time like all fanatic gay "rights" activists do. Do you really have no clue whatsoever WHY you are doing all this bullying and bashing against the Christians all the time?

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir You are repeating yourself now and I'm getting tired. Is anyone bullying anyone into getting married here? And what didn't you say? Could I please ask how old you are? Nothing personal but I don't believe I'm talking to someone of full maturity. The specific reasons? I already stated earlier it's the principle by which our love is of equal value to the love of heterosexuals. Separate but equal is not good enough. Gays and lesbians have children too,

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 thank you again for more ad hominem attacks. I am really used to it debating with fanatic atheists and gays.

Please explain exactly HOW gay love within the frame of partnership is LESS than the love between Christian heterosexuals in the frame of marriage.

And your claim about equality is ILLOGICAL since the marriage institution is meant to regulate father-mother-children issues. Using PURE LOGIC this is NOT an equality, value, rigtht blah,blah, issue. It is a false argument

[videovoyeur1980]

@videovoyeur1980 Not every family consists of mother and father. Some families have lone parents, some children are raised by grandparents, some couples can't have children or choose not to. Your view of the world is very simplistic, but life is not that clear cut, it's a bit more complicated than that and your view of marriage is not a realistic one. I don't know what it is you are trying to protect and why somebody else's relationship should threaten yours? Could you perhaps explain that?

[videovoyeur1980]

@videovoyeur1980 Right I'm off, you're either not reading or being deliberately obtuse.  Good night.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 you can answer my questions so you just run around in circles, retorting to foul language, hate-filled ad homonim attacks and straw man fallacies. Good night.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 are you stupid? I talk about the abstract constructions of fundamental institutions within society. I never said that just because an institution is designed to regulate some aspects ALL human beings in society MUST fit this design 100%. Are you a pathological liar or are you really this stupid?

We already has seen a complete disintegration of the family as an institution, very much thanks to hard left atheists combined with gay activists. Thank a lot.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir I'm hardly saying all people should tie the knot, that would be a ridiculous thing to expect, but they should all have the choice at the very least.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 WHY should gays be able to bully yourself into an age-old institution originated to regulate the key cornerstone of any civilization, the father-mother-children relationships?

Gays should have the choice? What kind of nonsensical argument is that? WHY should you have the choice? Using your faulty logic I should have the choice to enter the Ladies shower in public bath. I would like that and it would be a great "choice". Sorry that is NOT a valid reason.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Please stop saying "bully yourself into". I've already stated not everyone should be forced to get married, saying they should have the choice is hardly bullying anyone into a situation they are not comfortable with. Your inflammatory language will not detract from the message I am putting across. I would expect the more discerning reader to know exactly what I'm saying.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 the marriage institution has existed for thousands of years. You fanatic gay "rights" activists don't want to use this institutions based on civil discourse. You use intimidation and bash/trash anyone who opposes you without using any logically, historically, legal etc arguments whatsoever.

A group of hatemongers and bullies. Certainly not a human rights group.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 thank you very much, hatefilled gay activist.

You are a liar. Where do I claim that "nature" is perfect and what on earth does that mean? Perfect nature? In what sense? With what kind of criteria? What on earth are you ranting about? Or is it just your usual illogical bigoted gay activist fanatic rant?

[musicmaniac1982]

Oh don't talk rubbish, almost half of marriages end in divorce anyway, and not all of them end up with children in the equation. Gays and lesbians want the same shot in life, the same shot to find and settle down with a partner, and you know the same shot to make mistakes, we're human beings for Christ sake, not some kind of satanic evil paedophile which the religious right would have you believe. I believe this fight has gone on for too long and times have changed. Get used to it

[NorwegianKafir]

@musicmaniac1982 please use logic when you answer. I talked about the institution and it's core requirements and fundamentals. Divorce has nothing to do with it. And your same shot bla, bla, is just a red herring. I SAID partnership is OK, but I asked WHY you gay activists bully yourself into the MARRIAGE institution. I asked for you to use logic and facts in your reply, and all I got was incoherent, hate-filled rant. Thanks a lot.

[musicmaniac1982]

You would have to be from mars to not know that gay and lesbian people have had their fair share of discrimination in the past - yes it's much easier now, but the irony is that now "Christians" are screaming the same thing when gays take legal action against "Christian" B&B owners who decide not to allow on them on their premises. It's gone full circle! What a joke the very people claiming discrimination (the Christians) are the ones who caused it in the first place! Well tough luck

[NorwegianKafir]

@musicmaniac1982 I see that you are very proud that you gays together with the hard left morons are now in a position to discriminate against the Christians. Only shows what kind of hypocrite you are.

B&B owners and discrimination? I were refused to use a gay B&B because of my Biblical stance on homosexuality, I wouldn't care at all. So what? They would lose business and I would just find another B&B. It's not a very big deal, is it?

[musicmaniac1982]

Do you have any idea why hate crime laws are in place? Any at all? Certain groups of people are vulnerable to attacks. Do you get it now? Let me explain, groups that are usually in the minority, shall we say for instance ethnic minorities, fat people, disabled people, people with red hair, gay and lesbian people - get it now? Protecting these groups from real life discrimination is not creating a pecking order at all, it's simply affording them protection.

[NorwegianKafir]

@musicmaniac1982 I see. You really hate logic and prefer immature slogans before facts.

Every person in the groups you are referring to are already protected as individuals, like any other citizen in society. Consequently, there is no logical and practical need for the design of special group protection. And yes, OF COURSE a special group protection will create a pecking order. Do you understand logic at all?

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Of course I do, and that's why you have to look at the reality - gays and lesbians are more likely to be physically or verbally attacked in the street and/or to commit suicide. Do you watch the news? It's because of bigots like you fuelling the attacks by bringing up your children to believe we are less than inferior human beings. Logic? Please. You are a bully my dear and your lot has been caught out and had the tables turned on them and you clearly don't like it.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 you clearly are a lying hatemonger. WHERE have I EVER claimed that gays are " less than inferior human beings."?

Pathetic. If you adjust for lifestyle gays are NOT more likely to get attacked, commit suicide etc.

YOU are the hatemonger spreading lies and insane accusations against Christians and Christianity. Your own words here on YT shows what kind of hate-filled Anti-Christian bigot you are. 

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir Haha, I know your logic more than you know it yourself. I bet you put homosexuality in the same category as bestiality, paedophilia, lying, thieving, and cheating, since in your view "all sin is sin". Well my dear, you need a rude awakening.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 I would prefer that you argued based on what I actually SAY and not based on your own hatefilled bigotry against me and other Christians.

Again, you gay activists show that you are unable to follow basic argumentation rules and have a civil discourse. And why do you have to lie all the time, and fill your comments with ad hominem attack and obscenities?

[musicmaniac1982]

Don't make us laugh! Comparing gays and lesbians to incestuous liars, thieves, murderers, and evil "Godless" reprobates is what the religious right is all about. Gay activists have simply had enough of it. Marriage equality now and enough of this second class citizen status which has gone on for far too long. What you don't like is the fact the gay community is standing up for itself, that's a sign of a sore loser. You would rather people took it and didn't say boo to a goose. Tough luck

[NorwegianKafir]

@musicmaniac1982 thank you very much for your extremely hate-filled, obnoxious Christian bashing. The world would be such a nicer place with more people like you around, right?

I am a Christian conservative, and according to you all I am about is "Comparing gays and lesbians to incestuous liars, thieves, murderers, and evil "Godless" reprobates is what the religious right is all about. "?

How on earth can a hater and bigot like you talk about human rights?

[NorwegianKafir]

@musicmaniac1982 the marriage institution is implemented throughout any civilization known to man to protect and regulate parents and children. Nothing more, nothing less. So how on earth can you believe that gays can get equality in marriage since you don't fulfil the basic requirements? If you want to be partners, fine, but WHY should you mess with the marriage institution? Please only use logic and facts in your answer, thanks.

[gnggenderproject]

They've obviously not figured out YouTube or else mark my words, my last few comments would be given the boot aswell. I've been banned for less on earlier occasions.

[NorwegianKafir]

@gnggenderproject hypocrite. YOU are the one advocating CI to be shut down and censored, so how can you then at the very same time whine and bitch about them, allegedly, shut down you down and censor you?

One set of rules for you and one for them? Do you understand how hate-filled and bigoted your position is?

Let me guess, you belong to the hard left, right?

[gnggenderproject]

And no, these liberal Christians were not always offensive, abusive, or lude, most of the time they expressed a view that was contrary to the CI's political stance on homosexuality and as a result BANNED! This is not only rude and impolite, it also goes against the CI's so called support for free speech. Therefore, allowing comments that liken gay people to paedophiles, murderers, and incestuous liars without allowing one iota of debate or legimate challenge is FOSTERING HATRED! Are we clear?

[NorwegianKafir]

@gnggenderproject why should anyone take your rant seriously? They do not support anti-freedom hate-speech laws, do they? What about gay activists? Don't they support kicking anyone who "offend" them in jail?

In Norway, people are afraid to quote scientific facts that is contrary to the dogmas of the gay lobby, in fear of getting criminal charges.

[gnggenderproject]

@NorwegianKafir I'm an individual, I'm not running a charity and swerving the tax laws to get my one sided debates out to a mass audience, so yes I do believe the CI should be investigated and if necessary shut down for breaching its own supposed campaigns on free speech and lying. This organisation funds and supports real life legal cases that are affecting real people in the real world and puts so called "Christian" advocates on the TV calling for more free speech.

[NorwegianKafir]

@gnggenderproject so tell me, how much tax does the gay rights activist organizations pay? And I still don't believe a word of your hate-filled rant against CI.

The only two groups today that are attacking the very foundation of free speech are the muslims and gays, claiming islamophobia and homophobia against valid and true arguments against their interests. Bigots.

[gnggenderproject]

The CI is a far right and dangerously hypocritical organisation who is using its "charitable" platform to foster hatred against gay people, and it either needs to be shut down or severely censured by the Charity Commission!

[NorwegianKafir]

@gnggenderproject is this some kind of gay activist joke? You claim that CI " foster hatred" and at the very same time YOU call them "dangerously hypocritical", that they must be "shut down" or "censured".

The one who fosters hatred is clearly you. I would like to see your valid documentation for your other claims.

[gnggenderproject]

@NorwegianKafir You really have no idea what you are taling about. I have followed the CI facebook page since 2009 and have watched a host of so called liberal Christians being removed, banned, and silenced one by one. This is systematic censorship by the Christian Institute whose obvious goal is to show ONE side of the debates - ie THEIR side.

[NorwegianKafir]

@gnggenderproject I didn't talk about the CI facebook, did I? Read my comment one more time.

Furthermore, I have no reason to believe you are telling the truth.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir You are being deliberately obtuse. There are dozens of people who can testify that the CI is manipulating debates on facebook so that homophobic comments aren't challenged. People reading should check out "Banned and censored on the Christian Institute Facebook Page" on facebook where you can see for yourselves that people are banned and censored for simply challening comments that compare gay and lesbian people with liars, thieves and paedophiles.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 seriously, I really don't believe you. Based on what I have seen here on YT, videos, comments etc, it is you gay activists that want to censor people. It is you who spew intolerant, bigoted and hate-filled comments videos etc. Just go to any video about Carrie Prejean and you will see comments on par the worst Nazi comments against Jews.

The idea of "homophobia" in a debate is a joke and is used a very crude tool to oppress any thought against the false dogmas of gay activists

[gnggenderproject]

That isn't true, I follow the CI facebook page myself and people (particularly those supportive of gay rights) are banned for the pettiest of reasons, whilst comments that liken gay people to paedophiles and perverts stand.

Check out "Banned and censored on the Christian Institute Facebook Page" on facebook where more reasoned and uncensored debates are taking place daily. The CI needs to GROW UP and stop removing ppl it doesn't agree with whilst claiming to support "free speech".

[gnggenderproject]

wud the fundies plz put their brains into gear! If as markiecobra puts it that Romans 1 meant "homosexuality is wicked" it would have stated such. Like you said, it "implies", but "implies" is not the same thing as saying it explicitly. Besides, "natural use of the woman"? I think a fair few women would have a problem with that phrase. Thank the Lord for the feminist movement otherwise women would still be denied the vote. Way back when the fundies had control. Bye bye dinosaurs.

[markiecobra1]

Homosexual mean same sex which Romans 1 tells us aboutr so the description fits, whether or not the word was invented or not.

[videovoyeur1980]

james, you fool, homosexuaity isn't mentioned in the Bible, the word didn't appear in the English language until the late 19th Century. Wherever you see it in modern day Bibles, it has either been badly translated or completely maligns the original meaning and context.

[markiecobra1]

@videovoyeur1980

Romans 1:26-28

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

VILE affections seems to imply that homosexuality is wicked.

[videovoyeur1980]

Go figure, a fundamentalist and a liar. I would never have put them two in the same sentence.

[origenadam]

@markiecobra1 I'm afraid I don't know you and I doubt God does either judging by the horrible things you say!

[origenadam]

@jamesthenun "I and other christians have the right to disagree with you." But the 'Christian' Institute don't afford the same rights to others: anyone who disagrees or presents a differing view is banned from their Facebook pages! It will only be a matter of time till they ban us on YouTube too.

[jamesthenun]

@origenadam The way vocal athiests like yourself argue every minute point you possibly can tells me your trying to convice yourself before anyone else that what your saying is right, perhaps you want to taunt christians into pointless arguments so you can make them look stupid and 'prove' yourself right.

I'm just saying (I am guessing your gay but sorry if your not) I don't go on 'gay' videos and insult them, yet you do with christian videos, so you can't accuse us of 'hating'...

[videovoyeur1980]

@jamesthenun From the comments I've read by origenadam elsewehere on Christian Institute vids, origen is an evangelical Christian. In which case he has every right to stand his ground on a supposed "Christian" channel. Contrary to popular belief, the "Christian" Institute does not own the monopoly on Biblical interpretation!!!

[markiecobra1]

@videovoyeur1980

uhm origen an evangelical Christian?

I know him quite well and i can tell you sir that the definition of an evangelical Christian is seriously perverted if applied to that man.

A man that is a practising homosexual, that denies penal substitution, that blasphemes the very name of God etc ad infintum, if any man exhibited being a child of the devil it is he and in that i speak sincerely.

[jamesthenun]

@videovoyeur1980 An evangelical christian beliefs the bible, the bible teaches homosexuality is a sin. He is putting what he says before what God says.

[GoldenbanjoDJ]

@origenadam

If I can kindly infiltrate this discussion, I think it is only fair to point out that that the CI facebook group allowed many contributors to express their opinion whether or not they were in agreeance. The problem arose when obscenities and ad hominem attacks came to the floor. I did regard the threads each day and, whilst never contributing myself, saw an awful lot of obscenities popping about. Kids use facebook too you know.

[videovoyeur1980]

Whoever writes the "news" for this charity either has Asperger syndrome, obsessive compulsive disorder or some other social phobic mental problem. Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay every day. Shut the fuck up you fucking homophobes!!!!

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 great tolerance there, gay activist. What would you say if one Christian made a comment like yours against gays? I guess you would go total nuts and whine and bitch about hate and intolerance 24/7. Hypocrite.

[videovoyeur1980]

@NorwegianKafir We all know which side has had the longest track record for peddling scare mongering crap like this, and who is responsible for the most hate mongering. "Christians" like the CI (or right-wing fundmanetalist nut jobs) have had their day and it's well and truly over. It's only been the last 10-15 years that the gay rights movement has become mainstream, so decide for yourself who's the most intolerant.

[NorwegianKafir]

@videovoyeur1980 OK, gays are by far the most intolerant group. Just look at the vidoes and comments here on youtube. It is something of the most hate-filled, obnoxious and obscene I have seen in my entire life. Your comment is not that extreme, but still your intolerant hatred is in full display. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[musicmaniac1982]

@NorwegianKafir You are confused. Gay activists want homophobia treated as seriously as anti-semitism and racism. If there are going to be hate crime laws then let them be applied equally to the affected groups and let them be consistent. Not have a pecking order where religions are given free reign to disparage the gay community at will, whilst racists are thrown in jail and named and shamed by huge media frenzies. This is not hypocrisy, this is demanding equal protection for homophobia

[NorwegianKafir]

@musicmaniac1982 funny that YOU are talking about being confused. You whine about not wanting pecking order, while you, at the very same time, demand SPECIAL protection for gays. Logically that WILL introduce a pecking order, NOT equality. What you call homophobia is a joke. It is enough that you argue AGAINST the dogmas of gay activists, without any kind of phobia, even if what you say is TRUE or not. Hate crime laws are ANTI-free speech, anti-freedom and a perversion of equality before the law

[origenadam]

@jamesthenun I prefer to call it what it is. The BNP is racist and the 'Christian' Institute is homophobic. They are both bigoted towards people they don't like. Prejudice has no place in our society. And as for "standing against people openly living their lives against the bible being ordained in a position of religious authority", why don't people like you stand against women priests also? This is also "against the bible." I suggest its because you're a hypocritical homophobe!

[SupremeAmerican]

@origenadam Nobody is homophobic or racist here. Just because you disagree with people does not mean you have the authority to declare such nonsense. Looks like someone needs a lesson in logic 101.

[jamesthenun]

@origenadam They don't dislike homosexuals, they just believe the bible says its wrong. I agree prejudice has no place in our soceity, so you can take it elsewhere. The bible will always define a true christians beliefs and NOT society, you need to remember that as well as you having the right to disagree with me and other christians, I and other christians have the right to disagree with you.

Plus why assume you know what I believe, the bible does teach women should not preach as I believe.

[deanduke27]

For two weeks in a row - nothing about the biggest Bible-related story in the world at the moment (why are more Christians not condemning the dangerous and wily Harold Camping), and nothing about the RE teacher savagely beaten by Muslim fanatics but, surprise, surprise, Christians against homosexuality are a pressing topic.

[origenadam]

Oh dear. More gay-hate from the 'Christian' Institute. They're like a broken record. Can we have side 'B' please?

[jamesthenun]

@origenadam Hate? why do you people always label any view opposing yours as 'hate' and 'bigotry'? .Standing against people openly living their lives against the bible being ordained in a position of religious authority is NOT the same thing as hating them, you are expressing hate more than this video is.

[stillreforming]

@amsterdammed71 my students are free to ask your questions and they do ask them... regularly... the discussion is open, friendly and productive. i agree with what @waddonRam said in their post. Truth matters especially biblical truth... & especially to young people as they are in their formative years.

the highest 'science' is the study of 'G'od and His universe & i am thankful for maths, physics, chemistry and biology... windows into the 'G'od of the universe.

My students &i are praying for u

[amsterdammed71]

I agree with free speech amendment: it is great fun to ridicule and mock the Way-of-the-Master placard-waving lunatics who rant and scream against homosexuality and pretend that evolution didn't happen. I don't want the police to take my fun away, when I ask them 'how old do you believe the Earth is?'.

[curateTim]

I'm thinking she's cornish - has that cornish twang in her accent. Love the news feed - helps me to focus on the bigger picture!

[223Fi]

What a country we live in... :(

[stillreforming]

Thank You! i intend to use this weekly bulletin in my RE class every week to update my students... this is a fantastic resource! thank you for all the work you do! it does not go unnoticed or appreciated! Thank You.

RE teacher NI

[amsterdammed71]

@stillreforming I encourage them to ask you, how you know a. that a mind is at work in the cosmos b. how you know which god, out of the thousands that have existed in believers' minds over the 12 or so millennia, is the real one and c. how you are so intimate with that mind, you know its opinion on who we should sleep with and in which position, what we should do on a sunday, and what plans it has for us all. How do you know all this information?

[WaddonRam]

@amsterdammed71 - You asked - How do you know all this information - The answer is simple - God reveals Himself to us through His word the Bible and through the glory of His creation - I would challenge you and anyone else who reads this post to pray to Him and ask Him to reveal Himself to you - Proverbs 9 v 10 says "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight."

[amsterdammed71]

@WaddonRam Very nice, but still begs the question, how you know the bible to be the word of a god, and indeed a specific god, as opposed to just the word of simple, well-meaning palestinians, trying to explain their place in the cosmos without any scientific knowledge.

[WaddonRam]

@amsterdammed71 Well first you've got to start by reading the Bible otherwise how will you know what it has to say. Then as I mentioned in my previous post you've got to ask the Author to reveal it to you. That's what God did for me and so many millions of christians down through the centuries. If you don't have access to a Bible then make contact with the Gideons International who will be happy to send you one - please read John 3 v 16 and Romans 6 v 23

[amsterdammed71]

@WaddonRam I have three bibles - however, the contents of the bible provide no actual evidence, because nothing corroborates all these extraordinary claims. After all, miracles are reported in many other books, such as that of the Mormons, the Koran, the Icelandic Sagas. What reason do you have to refute these but not the bible?

[SupremeAmerican]

@amsterdammed71 Why does the bible in particular make you so insecure?

[amsterdammed71]

@SupremeAmerican It's not the bible: the bible is nowhere in my life. However, those people who are foolish enough to believe its contents and impose this nonsense on others, and destroy the Enlightenment and Civilisation as we know it, really do concern me. I think faith is a contagious poison - like Japanese Knotweed destroying a beautiful garden.

[SupremeAmerican]

@amsterdammed71 Impose its nonsense on others? U mean like Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao when they killed 160 million people in order to get rid of religion all together? Or like the communist countries around the globe that kill a christian once every 3 minutes for no crime other than believing in the gospels? You sir, are an intolerant, uneducated bigot, who has fallen for some sick propaganda like a naive little child.

[SupremeAmerican]

@amsterdammed71 God Bless you none the less. And have a wonderful, peaceful day.

[amsterdammed71]

@SupremeAmerican And likewise - though I don't know about peace: heated debate suits me fine ;-)

[John3versesixteen]

Great - it's brill having a concise video update like this - thx. 21st century here we come!

[m4ttieE]

love the videos, especially the accent! Burnley? ;]

[AlignMix]

@m4ttieE I agree, although I'd put her accent closer to Leeds or York

[futureisbright]

190,000 babies MURDERED! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

[fatheribrahim11]

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Mmmm, I wonder if this applies now to the COS?

[simonlow2002]

Keep up the good fight!

[Goodfightlads]

Really like these news bulletins, very well made and infomative, thankyou.

PS: The church of Scotlands logo is worringly similar to Aleister Crowley's OTO [Ordo Templi Orientis], an old Magick Order.