KEL-TEC RFB Rifle

[mdntepoet]

While the 5.56 has a higher initial velocity, it's tiny lightweight bullet relies on fragmentation to be deadly. Fragmentation stops around 2000 fps (barrel dependant 100-300 yards) with a 5.56. While it still COULD kill beyond that, it has stooped to the effective power of 22mag with FMJ slugs. A 7.62x39 projectile is easily twice the frontal area, larger yet in tumble. Because fragmentation is not required, it is highly lethal down to 800fps at 900 yards, provided You can still hit with it.

[VenTaraki]

Halo reach battle rifle

[THEKOOL4iDMAN697]

As much as i like this gun, don't bull pups tend to have more recoil, if so than I don't think it was a good idea to make it shoot a 308, 5.56 6.8 or 7.62 would do fine

[leomantles]

this rifle in 223/5.56/7.62x39/5.45x39 would be one of the best infantry rifles ever invented, hands down kel tec

[peptopro17]

will this fire 7.62x39?

[meacri1]

@peptopro17 no, it's a 7.62 nato, a .308 round

[Warpath2198]

@peptopro17 Not it fires the bigger .308 round NATO

[gramboss187]

I like this

[southerndeth]

There is a one year waiting list for this rifle at my local gun shop!

[custom240sx]

that looks like it kicks like mule! I think i am gonna buy myself one for christmas :)

[basicproblem]

no auto?

[galaktar]

It poops casings...

[SemiAuto777]

Just my extremely humble opinion, not trying to start any arguments, but I think that the 5.56mm version of this would be a good weapon for the armed forces... Just my two pence.

[nightember]

@SemiAuto777 I think I heard somewhere that they're making versions for 5.56x45, 7.62x39, 6.5 Grendel, and 6.8 Remington.

[TheMoronProject]

@SemiAuto777

The 5.56 NATO is a good all-arounder. Since it is also common as all get out, it would just be practical to chamber the RFB for it.

[mattdidit84]

@TheMoronProject Yeah but the military is realizing more and more that the outdated 5.56 NATO is a little to light of a round to get the job done in some situations. We also noticed that the AK wielders we fight have a longer kill range and take advantage of it in combat. The U.S. needs a heavier round with a longer affective kill range. I think It's time to develop a round somewhere between the 5.56 and 7.62 for military applications.

[QuattroStig]

@mattdidit84 AK47 longer kill range than M4? I think you have your facts wrong.

[Warpath2198]

@QuattroStig Its does have a longer range, what military were you part of?

[QuattroStig]

@Warpath2198 5.56 carries higher velocity at a greater distance than 7.62X39. How does one get to the conclusion that 7.62X39 has a longer kill range?

[Azereiah]

@QuattroStig Bigger bullet, more accurate by default.

[Nationofhonor]

@Azereiah Umm, you need to look up bullet velocity statistics more.

[Azereiah]

@Nationofhonor

Hadn't had my coffee yet. So, here, have a bit of clear headed logic.

If said bullet actually slows down a bit, it won't overpenetrate, which means it's dumping ALL of its energy into the target. Same reason .45ACP is loved by its users so much.

[Jadervason]

@TheMoronProject Problem with that is the competition would have been too great for the RFB in 5.56

[ChishioAme]

@SemiAuto777 Something like that already exists... It's called the FN F2000.

[SemiAuto777]

@ChishioAme

Yes, but it isn't the RFB now is it?

[ChishioAme]

@SemiAuto777 Look it up. It has the exact same ejection system, takes STANAG magazines, is chambered in 5.56, is a bullpup design and was developed BEFORE the RFB. So, to be fair, the RFB isn't an F2000.

[SemiAuto777]

@ChishioAme

I know what an F2000 is... I just prefer the RFB more.

[baldbollocks]

Lets see the target grouping

[m0uth4th3war]

it's interesting how the spent casings trickle out of the front. without inspecting the rifle up close, i'm surpirised that doesn't result in jams. really cool design though. the only complaint i've heard so far (aside from recoil) is they're harder to find than a virgin in a whore house.

[TWutangT]

Interesting forward ejecting design.

[lawker777]

she is beautiful

[MeanEyedCats]

Holy crap, that's a powerful gun.

I've always thought that bullpups are freakin' ugly guns, but it's hard to deny that their design is anything less than genius.

[XTwina]

Would be nice if the ejection system had some kind of spring to hold in the empty cartridge up to the point when it really ejects so no lose cartridges are in the weapon that can fall out when it is the last you need.

[choopdewoot]

now if i could only find molle pouches for fal mags

[onebigkahuna69]

Thats got to be hell on the shoulder.

[Gunnut321]

shells eject kinda funny

[joecow12]

@Gunnut321 Yeah they kinda just poop out the top but that means both lefties and righties can use it.

[LordDraxxos09]

@joecow12 I love the poop reference!

[frankie2234]

recoil looked pretty strong...any opions???

[Gunnut321]

@frankie2234

its a 308 And a bullpup, yea theres gunna be sum extra recoil

[jpap967]

I would buy this over any other bullpup if they made this in a 223 version.

[Luaman55]

Or maybe it is a variant.

[Luaman55]

The Azazel from Combat Arms is based off this gun.

[imnotryan]

eww gun poop

[KingEinzeller]

Reloading is the best :D

[MushroomPictures]

whenever i search for guns, there is always something that says "(insert gun here) full auto" no matter what gun it is

for example "rfb full auto"

:-|

[stoogemoedude]

@MushroomPictures

Full auto is shit. You hold the trigger for more than 3 shots and the gun is in the air. Single shot is far better.

[AzVnFreestyle]

@stoogemoedude depends on the gun and cartridge... :(

[MushroomPictures]

@stoogemoedude i'm pretty sure the m16 doesn't have that problem because it has negligible recoil

[stoogemoedude]

@MushroomPictures

Don't forget that you use up your ammo in about 2-3 seconds when you go full auto too. Burst/semi is far better.

[MushroomPictures]

@stoogemoedude yeah.

but full auto has it's place, in a few situations

[PrivateSnowballTFC]

17 zombies don't want people to have this gun when they rise from the grave.

[bwtatz99]

They have at least one for sale at US Firearms Academy in Reno NV. renoguns.com. That rifle is sweet, but looks like it kicks like a mule.  Whatever you're shooting at won't like it much though.

[stak45DDS]

Could this work as a long range rifle like Remingtion 700?

[MushroomPictures]

@stak45DDS the target version of the rfb has a 32 inch barrel.

the remington MODEL 700™ SPS™ TACTICAL AAC®-SD™ has a 20 inch barrel.

they have identical caliber, so the rfb could be used as a long range rifle. However, 7.62 NATO/308 win isn't the most powerful, long range rifle cartridge(300 win mag and 30 06 are more powerful).

On kel tec website, it says the practical range of the target version of the rfb is 1200 meters

[Aqueries44]

werent the AUG and F2000 also ambidextrous?

[TROOPERfarcry]

@Aqueries44 The F2000 was ambi, but the AUG wasn't really. However, the AUG could be converted for lefties... so in a way it was. Neither fire .308.

[mattman91c]

1:18 The gun and I just cummed!!!

[ForfeMac]

You realize your Holo's mounted backwards, right?

[snobord786]

@ForfeMac your stupid!

[ForfeMac]

@snobord786 Well, at Least I know the difference between 'Your' and 'You're'

[Duckyistrippin]

who the fuck would pay 1800-2000$ for a piece of shit keltec? i mean seriously. These fuckers on the auction sites have lost there damn minds.

[Legokink1]

ITS A BULLPUP FAL FOR ANY THAT DONT KNOW

[rainmaker3592]

iv been scouring gun shops looking for one of these

[hobosapien081]

if they made this gun in .223 I would buy it in a heartbeat

[RainMan002]

@hobosapien081 like the fs2000?

[hobosapien081]

@RainMan002 no, I meant the forward ejecting function, I hate when my M4 throws its empty cartridges everywhere...

[kidd20grams]

Recoil is a big problem

[gran5turismo]

about the recoil:

target practice: $#@!! Hahahaha!!

real gunfight: $#@!! $#@!!

[joezzzify]

Just needs to be in a higher calibre.

[kokochan7]

@joezzzify I hope you're joking o_o 7.62 is too much power for such a small gun... Look at it, it kicks more than a FAL I'm sure...

[joezzzify]

@kokochan7 AND a bit bigger.

[THEKOOL4iDMAN697]

Dear Santa...

[trejo598]

Recoil looks like a bitch

[kokochan7]

@trejo598 I thought the same, 7.62 in such a small rifle looks painful.

[Gabricokun]

Oh Kel-tec. You craaaazy.

[jonasldg]

rifle folding bullpup?

[Rossco139]

thats ingenious! an ambidextrous bullpup! take THAT all you bullpup haters!

[brandonha]

@Rossco139 Most bullpups are...

[TAS0AadvarK]

@Rossco139 that's been around since the 70s in the AUG, it's a great idea.

[TheMohawkNinja]

@Rossco139 What's so special about that? The Steyr AUG is bullpup and ambidextrous, and it's a much older firearm.

[13thmistral]

@TheMohawkNinja you dont need to adjust for annything, and its 7.62x51mm nato

its sertainly quite special overall

[nadieselgirl]

Released in the first quarter of 2009, still hard to get here in 2011. :( Kel-tec makes some interesting stuff, just nearly impossible to obtain from anywhere but auctions.

[Silver00Coin]

Looks like it kicks more than my 30-06! Or is it just him?

[garytang182]

plop plop plop goes the cartidges 

[drMerkwuerdigliebe]

... omg - what happens if a bullet hits a brass flipping out in front? - seems to me like that can happen. At least in full auto if available. Guess eye protection is vital in this case.

[maugcore]

Gots to have one!

[commybuster]

The design is very sound but leaves a couple of things to be desired, it would have have been better if it was deigned to utilize Hk G3 magazines. G3 magazines are available worldwide at a very low price at $2.50 each, those mags are also extremely well made and very reliable. The selector switch must be AR-15 style.

[MadMichigander1313]

It's a 7.62x51 NATO, essentially a slightly shortened version of the 30-06. There are muzzlebrakes that can help with the recoil.

[kevin71127]

what a fuck load of recoil

[Humberto4790]

KEL-TEC makes weird guns lol.

[therealCG62]

God I wish I had the money to buy one of these beauties.

Oh well.

[hellrazor117]

looks like the DMR...lolz.....should replace the steyr aug as marksmans rifle...looks good

[kewlneasy88]

look at that little fuckin cqb rifle beating the fuck outta this dude!

[ChrisDog000]

Recoil kicks that muppet like hell haha

[tHeWasTeDYouTh]

why 7.62 NATO, no one will buy this

they should have used 5.56 like everyone else

[Roizel]

1:17の薬莢ｗｗかっこいいよね

前から薬莢ってのもかっこいい



[p90lover]

lol look at the wall, somebody was stupid

[richiestang78]

Better money invested in an AR10 then this.

[usarmycaptainamerica]

@richiestang78-- Better money invested in an AR 10? And why is that?

[NostalgicLink]

Looks like a lot of kick to it.

[patjohnw1]

Alot of $

On and down range

[Jonin87]

What kind of sights are they using?

[Thx1138d]

7.62x51mm is too much recoil

[snapcane]

@Thx1138d

Yes it is...If you're a pussy that is.

[Thx1138d]

How much military time do you have video game ranger?

[snapcane]

@Thx1138d

I didn't realise you needed to be in the military to shoot a rifle you fucking moron.

[Thx1138d]

I am sure you do need not worry about that since you sound like your about twelve.

[snapcane]

@Thx1138d

So far I'm a "video game ranger' and '12'...any other Youtube cliche's you want to throw out there? Oh and 7.62x51 is a medium recoil round. If you like you can shoot one of my Nagants in 7.62x54 or Mauser's in 8mm for some real recoil.

[snapcane]

@Thx1138d

Wait I'm sorry,didn't realise you're mentally challenged. I mean only someone with brain damage would like Bill Maher.

[Thx1138d]

Based on your image profile of the middle finger I diagnoses you have some severe issues. Spent time in Juvi Hall have you?

[snapcane]

@Thx1138d

Typical moonbat bullshit. Have a nice night.

[freekazoid05]

Hmmm.. might need a muzzle brake but looks awesome

[rjc0234]

DMR?

[mattman91c]

wow how the hell is it that small yet fireing a 7.62. I I can say is that these guys are making the most badass guns to date.

[williamED15]

shit recoil looks like a bitch

[peepeevagi]

Needs moar .308 though :/

[peepeevagi]

Better than the F2000. And cheaper. I'd buy it :D

[MadMichigander1313]

Foreward ejection has been used by automatic naval guns (Mk 42 and 45), as well as the M-242 Bushmaster. But I wonder if the path may be a bit long, but that's me.

[AndyHanturd]

Why can't they make a bullpup in 6.8 SPC? Now thats something I would buy. Maybe even 7.62x39.

[MadMichigander1313]

@AndyHanturd:

Check the Microtech Small Arms Research (MSAR) STG-556-E4. The rifle is an AUG Clone that can fire 5.56mm (.223 REM), 7.62 x 39mm, 5.45x39mm, and 6.8 STC.

[AndyHanturd]

@MadMichigander1313

haha thanks for your suggestion, right after I watched this video I looked it up and found it, apparently they use the C-products magazines and have the same issues as magazines with the 7.62x39 AR. The 6.8 doesn't look to unattractive though.

I want the 6.8 to become more cost friendly, hopefully it get adopted by the U.S. military, then it will become dirt cheap. Then I will for sure buy one. Can't hunt anything in my state with .223 other than predators.

[RYANSCHLESINGER]

@AndyHanturd i believe they make a bullpup style ak47

[ArcMasterArc]

I thought the idea behind bull-pup designs was that they reduce recoil. This bull-pup seems to be pushing this guy around pretty good!

[JayHawker751]

@ArcMasterArc Bull-pup designs are more about being compact. And it fires the 7.62 Nato, alot more recoil than the .223/5.56

[KneedlezKane]

Lots of recoil, front discharge of the shells looks like it could be a problem..

[theredsoldier]

@KneedlezKane

Theres lots of recoil because its a .308.  Granted its still not that big of a caliber but its still alot more recoil then a .223.

[SunshineBayou10mm]

the battle rifle of the future... wooooow :D

[1JesseW]

@SunshineBayou10mm It might be an interesting design, but the front ejection idea doesn't seem very reliable. Conventional rifle designs still have far more advantages than any bullpup design.

[SunshineBayou10mm]

@1JesseW Its 26 inches long! and in 7.62x51, i dont think the ejection will have problems..

[1JesseW]

@SunshineBayou10mm The front ejection system I mean.

[SunshineBayou10mm]

@1JesseW How is the front ejection NOT reliable , It looks as reliable as the side ejection if not i bet its more...

[1JesseW]

@SunshineBayou10mm What happens if the ejection port is blocked with debris? Besides, the forward ejection system just adds to the complexity of the gun, increasing maintenance and decreasing reliability. The person shot maybe 20 rounds in a clean environment. What happens when you fire thousands on the battlefield with little chance to clean the rifle?

[XvChriisvX]

@1JesseW who cares its cool

[joejohnathan1]

@1JesseW it happens to be more reliable than the M-16 mainly because the m-16 jams in controlled environments. the ejection tube is actually made of metal that retracts ammunition thus forcing it out with the help of the pressure and the recoil. but this gun most likely will need a .223 remington/ .556 Nato compatible barrel rather than the 7.62 (recoil).

[1JesseW]

@joejohnathan1 Perhaps your right. However, I think Keltec developed the rifle in 7.62 and not 5.56 because they want to appeal to the military market and not the civilian market. The US Army already turned down so many 5.56 designs.

[tiffyj85]

Are you kidding? There's always a 'need' for full-auto ;D. Even in .50BMG. But I guess if it's against a few guys...or a deer, maybe not.

[1JesseW]

@tiffyj85 Full auto is mostly for poorly trained troops, that's why burst fire is more logical as it is a balance between volume and accuracy. Volume is fine, but accuracy is final.

[demmo1]

how much will one of these run ya?

[bigstabby]

WTF?! Kel-Tec out of nowhere with some beast ass weaponry.lol I want one of these RIGHT NOW.

[tiffyj85]

I wonder how his right shoulder felt after all that. The recoil looks unmanageable if in full auto.

[YouDiddntSeeAnything]

@tiffyj85 It's .308, there would be no need for full auto

[selgemm]

@YouDiddntSeeAnything Good call, plus, that recoil was pretty intense as it is.

[kevinsupra90]

I'm happy to see that we're going back to real calibers here in America. :) I loved the M16, don't get me wrong, but I think we need to start using the old NATO 7.62s again. I'd love to see the RFB as a new service rifle.

[1JesseW]

@kevinsupra90 It seems that the 6.8 SPC and the 6.5 Grendel is a better replacement for the 5.56 than the 7.62 NATO.

[Outdoorsmen44]

That guns is sick and I want one!

[curseofa5r5a]

thats a very practical solution, many soliders and police officer woul love to have the big punch and range of a 7.62x51 rifle in an small package

[1JesseW]

@curseofa5r5a A 7.62 NATO rifle would never be used by police officers since it has too much penetration and could kill innocent bystanders, that's why police use SMGs and pistols.

[curseofa5r5a]

@1JesseW yeah agree but it could be usefull as a small frame short range sniper rifle for urban encounters.

[YouDiddntSeeAnything]

@1JesseW I'm from Idaho and the police here have M1A's and AR15's. Not all police use SMG's. We have alot of open space here so .308 is fine.

[1JesseW]

@YouDiddntSeeAnything Perhaps in Idaho, but maybe not in New York or Los Angeles.

[YouDiddntSeeAnything]

@1JesseW In Los Anegeles and Ney York they use 5.56x45mm AR15's

[1JesseW]

@YouDiddntSeeAnything Then what's with the talk about over penetration with the 5.56 NATO or 7.62 NATO I hear on firearms forums?

[YouDiddntSeeAnything]

@1JesseW It can over penetrate, in some cases, as do many other rounds, for example : 9mm is notorious for over penetrating it's target, this can be solved by using hollow points. 5.56 is the samem hollow points prevent over penetration. 7.62NATO doesn't really have a problem with over penetration as much as 5.56.

[casemods]

Would love to see the whole round emptied in full auto mode

[PrivateSnowballTFC]

I love when he pulls the bolt back at 1:17 eight million empty shells fly out hahah

[Skidracer21]

@PrivateSnowballTFC Best part of the video, man.

[zeno57]

@PrivateSnowballTFC Dang, Thats what I want a rifle that holds eight million shells.For under 500 bucs ,lol.

[moultrup]

@PrivateSnowballTFC hahah I would've never noticed, but now I'm laughing and playing it over and over!

[84singularity]

perfect gun for zombies ;}

[PrivateSnowballTFC]

@84singularity EXACTLY what I was thinking...especially since they only run for 2 grand

[zachj589]

@84singularity Apparently you haven't seen the new KSG, also by Kel-Tec. A dual tube fed 12 gauge with a 14+1 capacity.

[84singularity]

@zachj589 yeah i haven't seen it.. cool shotgun which will burst heads of zombies as bubbles =)

[BlueSpud711]

@84singularity an even better zombie gun is the new shotgun kel-tec is releasing. go to their website and it'll be on the front page =D

[84singularity]

@BlueSpud711 i know dude it's Kel-Tec KSG shotgun I had comment before ... pretty nice for the zombies heads -_^

[BlueSpud711]

@84singularity oh ok! i thought you were responding to the rfb. both are awesome guns though!! i plan on getting both

[scaryalbino1987]

Im thinking about getting one of these, but im really worried about jamming. it seems like if brass jams then the gun is going to need to be sent back to the factory. Anyone got any incite about this?

[ms3bani]

@scaryalbino1987

why would it jam?

[scaryalbino1987]

@ms3bani Just like any firearm, but in this case if a round chimneys, or misfeeds or does not cycle properly it seems like it would be very hard to fix.

[ms3bani]

@scaryalbino1987

foward ejection port hasnt been a problem for the FN F2000 (in production 10 years now), no idea why it would suddenly be a problem with this one.

[scaryalbino1987]

@ms3bani Thanks man, i wasn't too worried about it but for $1800 better to be sure.

[Umimugo]

@ms3bani maybe it's because it's a bigger round or he maybe be using certain rounds like Wolf ammo (they have steel casings) and kel-tec guns usually have huge problems with Steel-casing ammunition so...yeah

[ms3bani]

@Umimugo

snowflakesinhell(dot)com/2009/­05/28/an-interview-with-matt-a­t-kel-tec-on-the-rfb/

go there and read about jams.

[zachj589]

@scaryalbino1987 From what I've read, people don't seem to be having and problems with that. If you think about it, unless a perfect sized pebble fell into the whole with force, nothing could jam it. The recoil of every round would shake any dirt through.

[JoeyTHEArms]

15 people don't appreciate firearms