If you're wealthy in the United States, obviously your options are expanded. if you're middle class or, God forbid, broke, you're screwed. Wealthy Canadians can already afford to travel to any place in the world and pay out of pocket for treatment. America is just across the border.
Last year, my cousin underwent a masectomy. The cost in the United States? $15,000. As a single mother, she could never have afforded an out of pocket expense like that. I thought of her when I read your comment.
@hylo1111 : No. Tge universal system must be completely abolished. What would you have us do, pay 50%+ in tax for public care and ALSO have us pay for our own private care? What money would be left? It's precisely the socialization of medicine that has made it so expensive. If the free market alone decided what care was needed and what we pay, the costs would drop dramatically. Whenever you have a third party payer interfering with the provider and the customer, the costs are always inflated.
@eimb1999 Not so, all you have to do, is look south of the border, where health care is a free market, and you will see that your analogy does not work, in fact its the insurance companies that are driving up the cost of health care, plus it also left the less fortunate with no health care, or people with preexisting conditions in there family with no health care. This is why socialized medicine was put in place.
@darrenhol : You obviously didn't read what I said. or you didn't understand it. Either way, you're wrong. The problem with the US system is the same problem with all other syustems. The government has regulated it to death. Also, when people have a third party pay for their care, they get ripped off. Yes, that means insurance companies too, but socialized medicine just takes that same problem and compounds it with rationing. Wake up!
1/3rd of all bankruptcy in the United States come about because people are put out of pocket for medical expenses. The insurance companies, as is perfectly natural for any kind of private entity looking to increase profit, are notorious for denying claims. We have a plethora of former industry insiders that can attest to exactly this.
Americans, in general, are far less healthy than Canadians and live shorter lifespans. Keep your unbending dogma.
@EuchridEucrow1 : So ypou think you have the right to elect a representative that will act as a thief in your stead to take money from others to get what you need?
No it isn't. The primary traits for Communism are that the government controls the factors of production - all of them - and private property is nonexistent. As a homeowner, I can assure you we're not talking about that.
We're a Social Democracy, which rejects Marxism and Bolshevism, as well as laissez faire. Most industrialized nations, with the exception of the United States, have some form of public health care system. From South Korea to Singapore to England to Canada.
Communism occurs when the government controls the factors of production and private property is nonexistent. As a homeowner, I can assure you neither occurs in this country. We're a Social Democracy.
Most industrialized nations, with the notable exception of the United States, have some kind of public health care system in place. From Singapore to Japan to South Korea to England to Canada. Are these countries communist? Of course not. America is the exception, not the standard.
@eimb1999 Good call, communism is when the government buys out private industry... Hold on a second... Buy out/bail out? Didn't the American government bail out private industry with taxpayers money? That's not a free society. That's communism.
My Canadian Cousins say they don't like U.S. system because everyone in the U.S. is required to get care through an HMO! They actually believe we all belong to HMOs. I never bothered to correct them, I think now I should have told them truth. It's true they don't really know what our system is like so they say they don't like it without adequate knowledge.
Absolute horseshit. Universal Healthcare is the lesser of the two evils. Either it is made affordable for everyone at the expense of expediancy for lesser illnesses/injuries or it is only accessible to those who CAN afford it. I'd rather wait an extra month than lose my life savings paying for medical expenses. What'll it be?
Universal Healthcare, sweettttt, it's a great system if you need glasses or simply checkup but when my uncle had a brain tumor late last year, even his doctor (they both are from Toronto) told him he be better off going to the US for treatment. There was a 2 month wait for MRI and other procedures that was needed. So you may want to play with your life and your family. I rather have my Blue Cross Blue Shield card in my wallet. And I'm not aganist paying 1% more for folks w/o insurance.
@hypno1030 Well my dad was diagnosed with cancer, had an mri done within 2 weeks, and treated in prompt time. Did you also know that Canada has a higher rate for surviving cancer than the U.S.? Not really believing what your saying!
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Counterbrilliance 7 months ago
If you're wealthy in the United States, obviously your options are expanded. if you're middle class or, God forbid, broke, you're screwed. Wealthy Canadians can already afford to travel to any place in the world and pay out of pocket for treatment. America is just across the border.
Last year, my cousin underwent a masectomy. The cost in the United States? $15,000. As a single mother, she could never have afforded an out of pocket expense like that. I thought of her when I read your comment.
EuchridEucrow1 9 months ago
@hylo1111 : No. Tge universal system must be completely abolished. What would you have us do, pay 50%+ in tax for public care and ALSO have us pay for our own private care? What money would be left? It's precisely the socialization of medicine that has made it so expensive. If the free market alone decided what care was needed and what we pay, the costs would drop dramatically. Whenever you have a third party payer interfering with the provider and the customer, the costs are always inflated.
eimb1999 1 year ago
@eimb1999 Not so, all you have to do, is look south of the border, where health care is a free market, and you will see that your analogy does not work, in fact its the insurance companies that are driving up the cost of health care, plus it also left the less fortunate with no health care, or people with preexisting conditions in there family with no health care. This is why socialized medicine was put in place.
darrenhol 1 year ago
@darrenhol : You obviously didn't read what I said. or you didn't understand it. Either way, you're wrong. The problem with the US system is the same problem with all other syustems. The government has regulated it to death. Also, when people have a third party pay for their care, they get ripped off. Yes, that means insurance companies too, but socialized medicine just takes that same problem and compounds it with rationing. Wake up!
eimb1999 1 year ago 2
@eimb1999
1/3rd of all bankruptcy in the United States come about because people are put out of pocket for medical expenses. The insurance companies, as is perfectly natural for any kind of private entity looking to increase profit, are notorious for denying claims. We have a plethora of former industry insiders that can attest to exactly this.
Americans, in general, are far less healthy than Canadians and live shorter lifespans. Keep your unbending dogma.
EuchridEucrow1 9 months ago
@EuchridEucrow1 : So ypou think you have the right to elect a representative that will act as a thief in your stead to take money from others to get what you need?
That's not a free society. That's communism.
And we've seen how well that works.
eimb1999 9 months ago
@eimb1999
No it isn't. The primary traits for Communism are that the government controls the factors of production - all of them - and private property is nonexistent. As a homeowner, I can assure you we're not talking about that.
We're a Social Democracy, which rejects Marxism and Bolshevism, as well as laissez faire. Most industrialized nations, with the exception of the United States, have some form of public health care system. From South Korea to Singapore to England to Canada.
EuchridEucrow1 8 months ago
@eimb1999
Communism occurs when the government controls the factors of production and private property is nonexistent. As a homeowner, I can assure you neither occurs in this country. We're a Social Democracy.
Most industrialized nations, with the notable exception of the United States, have some kind of public health care system in place. From Singapore to Japan to South Korea to England to Canada. Are these countries communist? Of course not. America is the exception, not the standard.
EuchridEucrow1 8 months ago
@eimb1999 Good call, communism is when the government buys out private industry... Hold on a second... Buy out/bail out? Didn't the American government bail out private industry with taxpayers money? That's not a free society. That's communism.
And we've seen how well that works.
MrUsernamessuckalots 2 months ago
@MrUsernamessuckalots : Yeah, well, maybe it's closer to fascism. But it is certainly cronyism.
eimb1999 2 months ago
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EuchridEucrow1 9 months ago
My Canadian Cousins say they don't like U.S. system because everyone in the U.S. is required to get care through an HMO! They actually believe we all belong to HMOs. I never bothered to correct them, I think now I should have told them truth. It's true they don't really know what our system is like so they say they don't like it without adequate knowledge.
Kansasgrandmother 2 years ago
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Absolute horseshit. Universal Healthcare is the lesser of the two evils. Either it is made affordable for everyone at the expense of expediancy for lesser illnesses/injuries or it is only accessible to those who CAN afford it. I'd rather wait an extra month than lose my life savings paying for medical expenses. What'll it be?
RunPower 4 years ago
Universal Healthcare, sweettttt, it's a great system if you need glasses or simply checkup but when my uncle had a brain tumor late last year, even his doctor (they both are from Toronto) told him he be better off going to the US for treatment. There was a 2 month wait for MRI and other procedures that was needed. So you may want to play with your life and your family. I rather have my Blue Cross Blue Shield card in my wallet. And I'm not aganist paying 1% more for folks w/o insurance.
hypno1030 4 years ago
@hypno1030 Well my dad was diagnosed with cancer, had an mri done within 2 weeks, and treated in prompt time. Did you also know that Canada has a higher rate for surviving cancer than the U.S.? Not really believing what your saying!
darrenhol 1 year ago
@darrenhol No we don't, they are almost identical for the elderly with the slight edge going to Canada and higher in the USA for young people.
EasyEs 4 months ago
Yep nailed it.. Leftist care more about purity of ideas than human life.
EasyEs 4 years ago