If it had been Bramwell's book the father would have been like "My son! I love you! My son, you are a GENIUS!" But since it was written by a woman (Charlotte), he was just like "Meh. It's a better book than I expected." I hate chauvinism!!!!
@jposh707 No, no I don't think so...perhaps he didn't like to show his emotions, that's all. He taught Branwell by himself, only because Branwell needed to find a job. Girls couldn't get a normal job except governess. Mr. Bronte reminds me a lot of my grandpa, he always concern about ours grades in school, but never really says that he's proud. Grandpa just allow us to feel it.
I've read their correspondence, and I ended up not liking Smith. He ended up being a fair-weathered friend and claimed he was the inspiration for the Dr. John character in 'Villette', which, even if true, is presumptuous to claim, don't you think?
I don't like him much either.But he was right about Dr John.He had suggested to Charlotte to make his house the set of a novel.She refused saying that she would feel too much like the snake that enters the paradise& that she didn't like her subjects to know.She reconsidered it however.Some think that Smith was offended by her presenting him as the worldly Graham who could not understand Lucy.She also comments in Villette that in Paul's friendship she could count on. It was not a passing whim.
So you see Graham&Smith had the same faults&merits. I dislike mostly his intense attentions to C that made people believe he was going to marry her (so blattant they must have been) & then his not mentioning his engagement. It was either indifferent if he considered C a friend or guilty for creating different impressions. I believe C was hurt mostly about his unfriendly conduct¬ by any disappointed hopes for getting him as some claim.She had pre-decided that with Villette or was testing him.
She had written to him:You are to keep a fraction of yourself,if it be only the end of your little finger,for him(Currer Bell)&that fraction he will neither let gentleman or lady,author or artist,take possession of.I understood it as saying she didn't care what their relationship was going to be,as long as he didn't let anyone else interfere.I believe she had his mother in mind.She had once suffered by Madame interfering in her platonic relationship with Heger to like seeing it again.
Yes, I agree about not liking Smith. Though I do think there is ample evidence Dr. John is based on him. I just read Lyn Gordan''s bio calledCharlotte Bronte: A passionate life. When I read of this horrid treatment towards an olderly woman and a battered wife, I was quite happy she stayed away from him. (not that I am a big Nichollas fan, but he is much kinder than Smith).
When I read that part and his treatment of Ellen, I too thought that Charlotte didn't lost much not being with him. He would never have understood Charlotte's anxiety about her father and would not agree on his living with them like Nicholls did or caring for him after her death. Charlotte often told him that she liked his home character better than his businesslike one. I guess she could see the danger of his turning out into a rich, worldly and perhaps corrupted man.
I'm really glad that this documentary is on youtube, I always wanted to see it.
But, I think it's a bit inaccurate. For instance, in this segment, at the very end the narrator claims that Smith and Charlotte fell in love. I don't think she was in love with him; attracted, yes, intellectually intrigued, yes, but in love? It was never requited if she was. Smith never cared for her like that.
There are some biographers that agree with you. I believe she responded to the vivacity and the spontaneous and joyous in him. Gaskell had written in a letter that C was a person with a great urge to live. So, she was not the melancholic person she presented her in her biography. Her letters to Smith and some of her friends are teasing and funny. I believe she was very attracted to him but could see his faults plainly.Some think that even if he had proposed she wouldn't accept him.I am not sure.
I am selfish. When I hear there was another novel that Emily started I want to cry! I hope fragments of it show up. I'd hate to think charlotte burned it.....
I would like to comfort you about that, but it is highly improbable that someone would have rescued them&would not have presented them so far.
I only hope that Emily hadn't written much of it, so that the loss wouldn't be much, if eventually Charlotte did destroy it. You see, if Emily had gained more recognition while she lived or if her publisher was as active as Smith, someone might have done the same he did for Charlotte: preserve what was left even for profit.
But no one showed interest. I doubt if anyone of the critics or the public knew of her death before Charlotte cleared things up and wrote that prologue to Wuthering Heights stating their separate identity and works.
So there was not any demand for it and Emily, who could continue it, was gone. Charlotte could have kept it as a memento despite the pain it cost her to look at the productions of a lost sister. But Emily herself could have been averse to it. We will never know I am afraid...
In 8:44 Charlotte instead of introducing herself to Smith she just handed him his letter towards Currer Bell. When he asked quite abruptly where did she get this? she answered from the post office, it was addressed to me and she could not help laughing at his surprise.
In 1:57 Charlotte did not hear gossips that Arthur Bell Nichols was pining for her. Ellen Nussey just told her that there were gossips that Charlotte was going to marry him and Charlotte replied that the rumour was so unfounded that she could not even relate it to him as a joke due to the cold far away civility and their (curates) view of her as an old maid.
If it had been Bramwell's book the father would have been like "My son! I love you! My son, you are a GENIUS!" But since it was written by a woman (Charlotte), he was just like "Meh. It's a better book than I expected." I hate chauvinism!!!!
jposh707 1 year ago
@jposh707 No, no I don't think so...perhaps he didn't like to show his emotions, that's all. He taught Branwell by himself, only because Branwell needed to find a job. Girls couldn't get a normal job except governess. Mr. Bronte reminds me a lot of my grandpa, he always concern about ours grades in school, but never really says that he's proud. Grandpa just allow us to feel it.
JaponLights 7 months ago
I've read their correspondence, and I ended up not liking Smith. He ended up being a fair-weathered friend and claimed he was the inspiration for the Dr. John character in 'Villette', which, even if true, is presumptuous to claim, don't you think?
frumaatholoid 2 years ago 3
I don't like him much either.But he was right about Dr John.He had suggested to Charlotte to make his house the set of a novel.She refused saying that she would feel too much like the snake that enters the paradise& that she didn't like her subjects to know.She reconsidered it however.Some think that Smith was offended by her presenting him as the worldly Graham who could not understand Lucy.She also comments in Villette that in Paul's friendship she could count on. It was not a passing whim.
ksotikoula 2 years ago
So you see Graham&Smith had the same faults&merits. I dislike mostly his intense attentions to C that made people believe he was going to marry her (so blattant they must have been) & then his not mentioning his engagement. It was either indifferent if he considered C a friend or guilty for creating different impressions. I believe C was hurt mostly about his unfriendly conduct¬ by any disappointed hopes for getting him as some claim.She had pre-decided that with Villette or was testing him.
ksotikoula 2 years ago
She had written to him:You are to keep a fraction of yourself,if it be only the end of your little finger,for him(Currer Bell)&that fraction he will neither let gentleman or lady,author or artist,take possession of.I understood it as saying she didn't care what their relationship was going to be,as long as he didn't let anyone else interfere.I believe she had his mother in mind.She had once suffered by Madame interfering in her platonic relationship with Heger to like seeing it again.
ksotikoula 2 years ago
Yes, I agree about not liking Smith. Though I do think there is ample evidence Dr. John is based on him. I just read Lyn Gordan''s bio calledCharlotte Bronte: A passionate life. When I read of this horrid treatment towards an olderly woman and a battered wife, I was quite happy she stayed away from him. (not that I am a big Nichollas fan, but he is much kinder than Smith).
iamme611 2 years ago
When I read that part and his treatment of Ellen, I too thought that Charlotte didn't lost much not being with him. He would never have understood Charlotte's anxiety about her father and would not agree on his living with them like Nicholls did or caring for him after her death. Charlotte often told him that she liked his home character better than his businesslike one. I guess she could see the danger of his turning out into a rich, worldly and perhaps corrupted man.
ksotikoula 2 years ago
I'm really glad that this documentary is on youtube, I always wanted to see it.
But, I think it's a bit inaccurate. For instance, in this segment, at the very end the narrator claims that Smith and Charlotte fell in love. I don't think she was in love with him; attracted, yes, intellectually intrigued, yes, but in love? It was never requited if she was. Smith never cared for her like that.
frumaatholoid 2 years ago 2
There are some biographers that agree with you. I believe she responded to the vivacity and the spontaneous and joyous in him. Gaskell had written in a letter that C was a person with a great urge to live. So, she was not the melancholic person she presented her in her biography. Her letters to Smith and some of her friends are teasing and funny. I believe she was very attracted to him but could see his faults plainly.Some think that even if he had proposed she wouldn't accept him.I am not sure.
ksotikoula 2 years ago
I am selfish. When I hear there was another novel that Emily started I want to cry! I hope fragments of it show up. I'd hate to think charlotte burned it.....
iamme611 2 years ago
I would like to comfort you about that, but it is highly improbable that someone would have rescued them&would not have presented them so far.
I only hope that Emily hadn't written much of it, so that the loss wouldn't be much, if eventually Charlotte did destroy it. You see, if Emily had gained more recognition while she lived or if her publisher was as active as Smith, someone might have done the same he did for Charlotte: preserve what was left even for profit.
ksotikoula 2 years ago
But no one showed interest. I doubt if anyone of the critics or the public knew of her death before Charlotte cleared things up and wrote that prologue to Wuthering Heights stating their separate identity and works.
So there was not any demand for it and Emily, who could continue it, was gone. Charlotte could have kept it as a memento despite the pain it cost her to look at the productions of a lost sister. But Emily herself could have been averse to it. We will never know I am afraid...
ksotikoula 2 years ago
In 8:44 Charlotte instead of introducing herself to Smith she just handed him his letter towards Currer Bell. When he asked quite abruptly where did she get this? she answered from the post office, it was addressed to me and she could not help laughing at his surprise.
ksotikoula 2 years ago
In 1:57 Charlotte did not hear gossips that Arthur Bell Nichols was pining for her. Ellen Nussey just told her that there were gossips that Charlotte was going to marry him and Charlotte replied that the rumour was so unfounded that she could not even relate it to him as a joke due to the cold far away civility and their (curates) view of her as an old maid.
ksotikoula 2 years ago