F-18 and Rafale on Charles de Gaulle - FRUKUS 06

[MsCasper2010]

thumbs up people if you hate french people !

[MRjlouis3131]

@MsCasper2010 No much success, Ah Ah

[macfanofgi]

viva la france, but i can't stand "copyright holders" for half a second anymore.

[esprit83990]

Magnifique de voir les 2 armées aéronavales !!! Super le vol avec les avions .

[GalliumNitride]

I knew the Rafale could land on American CATOBAR designs but only now realized that the opposite took place as well, as U.S. airplanes actually landed on the CDG deck.

Apparently, not only are the measures and interfaces of the arrestor hook/arresting cable and nose gear/catapult car combinations identical between the French and American CATOBAR decks, but also the F/A-18 (presumably with lower max weight) is capable of landing on the considerably shorter landing zone of the CDG.

[bingofioul]

@GalliumNitride french navy uses hawkeye, weight 22000 kg- so yes the f18 can land the cdg deck with it's maximum weight

[ZbLuffer]

@GalliumNitride IIRC, steam catapults and arresting gear onboard CdG are US made.

[The6000Sabre]

The F-18 Hornet is a 30+ year old design. Even the "super" Hornet is just a slightly larger version with greater range. If this were not so, then why is the US developing the F-35 as a replacement for the F-18?

Brazil should purchase the Rafale. Because the Hornet is obsolete and it comes with too many political strings.

Go Dassault!

[Hairysteed]

@The6000Sabre I dunno... Right now the superbug has AESA radar and it can carry a theoretical maximum of 14 AAMs and AMRAAM has longer range than MICA. The Super Hornet also can carry a wider range of air-to-ground weapons and is cheaper. The Rafale on the other hand has a longer combat radius, smaller RCS, greater maneuverability and supercruise capability. When it gets the AESA radar and Meteor it will surpass the Super Hornet in the air-to-air role.

[marauder247]

@Hairysteed

Except that the RBE2-AA is markedly inferior to the APG-79 in the Super Hornet which hit IOC over 4 years ago. By the time the RBE2-AA hits IOC the second gen GaN T/R modules will have doubled the APG-79's

range.

The Rafale has a larger RCS than the Blk II Super Hornet according to just about everyone. The Rafale has never demonstrated supercruise in any competition. Radius and maneuverability are debatable points. Meteor doesn't offer much over the AIM-120D already at IOC.

[bingofioul]

@marauder247 SOURCE ?

[marauder247]

@bingofioul

For what? The specs for the RBE2-AA are well known and its manufacturer Thales concedes that they are in third place in AESA development behind Raytheon and Northrop-Grumman.

Raytheon has announced that their GaN modules are ready for operational use and the range advantages of GaN-based T/R modules are well known.

Eurofighter GmbH did an RCS analysis of 4th gen fighters and rated the SH Blk II the best. Even a casual inspection will reveal plenty of RCS reducing features.

[bingofioul]

@marauder247 Can you give me a link to this RCS ANALISIS ? Can you also give me a link to the thales speak about the RBE2-AA ?

[NapoCinePedia]

Time to cooperate with all democratic countries, others regime must be afraid of the Union of forces and intelligence

And USA must learn modesty and respect of their allies ! to reach this goal, it's necessary

[artyparis]

Rafale developpement is not ended.

For the moment, it lacks...

[nonamebrand0]

Rafale is the best naval fighter, althought I wish the Tomcat was still around.

[Hairysteed]

@nonamebrand0 An AESA equipped Rafale armed with Meteors could fill the Tomcat's role

[Slayix312]

Woops meant to say as both Rafale and Typhoon.

[syr74]

The problem with pitting the Rafale or the Typhoon against a F15C+ or the upgraded F14'E' which would be serving right now had the Super Hornet not been chosen instead is that engagements usually begin BVR. Yes, both European fighters are more maneuverable close in, but that is frankly their only advantage. Elsewhere they come up short, and would begin the majority of engagements at a disadvantage.

The Super Hornet? Well, as a air superiority fighter, it is a turd. More F4 Phantom than F14

[kirkjamestkirk]

Sorry to say that but you're completely wrong. the Eurofighter and the Rafale are far superior to the F-14 , F-15, and F-18 in close combat AND in BVR thanks to their AESA radars and their radar jamming systems.

[Slayix312]

Actually he is right new F-15's and F-18's would have the advantage in BVR. The Rafale use's outdated Thales RBE2 PESA radar. The new F-15's and F-18's use AN/APG-79 AESA radar which is literally 10x better or so.

[eisekiel]

yes but the rafale will get an RBE2 AESA with the F3+ standard wich come in 2012

[sovietamerican2]

im afraid my friend that the current french rafale and eurofighter have up to date radars. and that the newer f-15's or etc still wont match the bvr engagement of the rafale or the eurofighter.

[Slayix312]

Eurofighter yes the Rafale no. Like I said just look up the RBE2. It is pathetically weak. I know their is more factor's to BVR engagement then just Radar. But the Radar is the basis of a BVR engagement. If your enemy has a radar that can track you up to 10x farther away then you can track him. Then that is a problem.

[sovietamerican2]

im not sure how the f-15 can have better radar abilties then the rafale. i searched up both already and found similarities. plus the french use different types of radar technology. if you go on french military websites you would see how the french are always upgrading their rafale radar.BUT you must know french. vous parle le francais tres tres bon garcon?estquetu est fatiguey?

[Slayix312]

Hard for me to find a good credible source but.

RBE-2 PESA（Rafale F1/F2/F3）：

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 7~9 km+

For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 13~15 km+

For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 41~49 km+

For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 73~87 km+

For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 110~130 km+

For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 130~154 km+

[Slayix312]

APG-80 AESA（F-16E）：

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 11 km+

For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 20 km+

For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 62 km+

For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 110 km+

For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 165 km+

For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 195 km+

Just type in RBE2 versus any other modern radar. It is pretty common knowledge it is a horrible radar. Even wikipedia state's that it sucks in comparison to the new AN/APG-63 or AN/APG-79

[sovietamerican2]

dont read wiki...its so not right lol

one can argue...really. the french rafale supposedly was to have the greatest radar on earth on the western hemisphere....but maybe they over exaggerated their abilities.. nonetheless. its funny how 7+ for rafale and 11 plus for f-15 are so close to each other in 0.0001 lol. i garauntee you find a french military forum or site they will give you more precise evidence.

[Slayix312]

I cant read french so that's useless lol. I also only use wiki mostly for background info date's, model types, location etc. If you can find me some good info to say otherwise then that would definitely be welcome. But like I said it's fairly well known the RBE2 PESA radar is crap.

[sovietamerican2]

thats cool my friend....

problem is i dont keep track of the websites i find..sometimes it takes more then 30 minutes for me to find foreign military sites...its like searching a library filled with 5 billion or more sources lol. im afraid its up to you to find it..cause i have to go eat now.

[mariusrodrigo]

It's not a horrible radar, it's one of the most sophisticated radar in the world, and one of the most resistant to jamming.

It's true its range is bad in comparision with other radar but it doesn't matter because the Rafale will have a new radar (RBE2-AA), with AESA and +50% range.

Anyway the Rafale has a much lower RCS than all the F-teens.

[Slayix312]

The new radar won't be coming out for a while though which is the bad part. "Anyway the Rafale has a much lower RCS than all the F-teens." That may and may not be true. The newer F-18 Super Hornet is said to have an RCS of .1-.05m^2. If I am not mistaken this is around the same as both Rafale.

[mariusrodrigo]

Yes Rafale and SuperHornet have an equivalent real RCS, but Rafale has an active cancellation system integrated in the Spectra suite.

The RBE2-AA will be operational in 2012, and is being tested since 2003.

[Slayix312]

"The RBE2-AA will be operational in 2012" Still a little ways away but at least it will be an upgrade. The new AESA version should make it more difficult to jam. The exact value of Spectra for stealth is still up for argument though.

[Slayix312]

Oh and those figure's come from. f-16 . net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-626­2 . html

Can't say it's super reliable but considering it is fairly common knowledge that the RBE2 is crappier then all newer radar's it doesn't strike me as unbelievable.

[sovietamerican2]

well now that youve read assumptions from an american military site..now find a french military forum and compare the case...thats what i do concerning chinese technology lol...luckily chinese sites have translations for english lmao!!

[Slayix312]

Also you will find more RBE2 comparison's then just on American site's. Their is quite a few. Even a few on some defense type blogs.

[sovietamerican2]

okay..i will research..eventually...but first i must feast!!

[mariusrodrigo]

Wow stop dreaming boy...

The Euofighter and the Rafale are faaaaaaaar superior to the F-teens that's a fact.

You'd better compare them with the F-35.

[eisekiel]

Maybe but the Rafale got a lower RCS than the F-18, and with the mica IR/em and OSF the rafale can fire missile within switch his radar That give it a real advantage in BVR

[Slayix312]

The RBE2 AESA is still a ways away. I am talking currently. Also the Rafale has a lower RCS but the like I said the AESA is much more powerful then the RBE2. Meaning the F-18 can detect the Rafale before it detects him and the AIM-120D which is set to be operational this year is better then the MICA. The capabilities of the Rafale in BVR are only as capable as it's Radar. Which is not very much.

[TraxBaxton]

I respect USA even we've not the same point of view. I understand that the US government have means to guess what the world it will be in a decade with the mass of information they assimilate. So Mr Bush or future US Presidents have a vision of what the world can be...So they try to lead their interests in the better way for their country and them.

[melooncillo]

Like that carrier, fighters and Navy. French Navy are lucky to operate probably the best naval fighter in the world.

[Galaxy2Free]

Typhoon on board? Never heard of that. Watch out Typhoon shown at 4'36", great video!

[edovader]

its a Rafale

[sufa256]

Amazing video !!!!!

[sizzla53464]

IMO the f18 and rafale are the sexiest figther planes ever built !

[nakazatoGTR]

would there be a RN eurofighter?

carrier based eurofighter?

next sexiest to me.

[sizzla53464]

nah, that was the whole point of the eurofighter , the british are waiting for the f35 as their next carrier based plane so they wanted the eurofighter to be only land based, that's why the french went with their own model cos they needed a plane for the army and for the navy

[nakazatoGTR]

well rafale is more expensive than F-35.

[sizzla53464]

wtf are u talking about ? did u at least look for the price ?? i don't think so

anyway ... f35 is approximately 83 millions dollars, depending on the model

rafale is 62 millions dollars for the basic version and 68 millions dollars for the marine version

next time, do some researchs before arguing about something u're obviously not aware of.

[nakazatoGTR]

sorry i meant the f-18E which costs only $55million.

France's nationalism took over cost cutting.

"next time, do some researchs before arguing about something u're obviously not aware of."

sorry of the typo.

i do research, ulike those PAK-FA illusionists.

[houlala16]

Sorry guy, don t want to be arrogant but a Rafale it s between 47 and 53millions of euros so about 75-80millions dollars.

F35 is a 4th or 5th generation?

[titiboo90]

let me laught ! you re not serious...

[nakazatoGTR]

what?

[nakazatoGTR]

whose squadron are those hornets from?

[hoorawflyguy]

it looks like the "Wildcats" of VFA-131

[Tkraz]

"In dogfight exercises, the Rafale outflies F-15, F-16 and F-18 opponents, and in technical and performance evaluations, we have systematically won against the F-15 and the Eurofighter Typhoon." Col. F.Moussez (CEAM)

[jayers2]

Which variant of the F-15, F-16, and F/A-18?

[eagleflame2000]

In speculations or simulations, but what handicaps did the Eagles have in place? I severely doubt that a Rafale is faster, or has a better Radar than any version of the Eagle. Super hornet, maybe

[deBoeldieu]

Not too afraid, The Yankees? It's really short on a French Carrier... ;°)

[madrummerboi]

what music is this?

[V0nR0s3n]

the band is nickelback but i don't know the name of the song

[madrummerboi]

thanks but i meant at the beginning of the vid

[jun02da]

Enigma - Lord of the Rings

[Xiloforce]

Le paradoxe .. lol

[helldars]

To all rafale and aircraft carrier fans : another training campaign is scheduled for next spring , because the Charles de gaulle is currently under maintenance.

But I don't know on which US aircraft carrier this will happen.

[tommytmt]

Wow...those American fighters were on a French aircraft carrier?! That's pretty awesome...

[kevinz1985]

Well besides the stupid comments, that's a very nice video.

Not a lot of countries would do such cooperations.

Peace to both countries.

[JayPull85]

I've got a riddle for everyone!!!!!!!!!!

How many men does it take to defend Paris?

Answer:No one knows cause its never been done before

[mvp69]

roflmao

[kevinz1985]

Open some history books boy.

[JayPull85]

I did in everyone it's france being invaded and then america comes and saves them

thanks for the tip it's always good to double check

[Rizrsniper]

40172 do you like being a pain? And what about the US during peace time? You rarly fight and you always make stupid military crap.

[samparra]

The French helped us during our revolution and were our allies during WWI & II. France is a freedom loving country and despite our differences at times we need to remember our common heritage.

Viva la France! From an American.......

[ryansleis]

YES i love french fries and french girls...from a FILIPINO!!!

[vonpolo]

lol, et les ricains à part foutre le bordel chez les autres , ils sont bons à quoi ? Ecrire l histoire comme elle leur convient, soutenir le fachisme sous couvert de bonnes intentions, insulter leur plus viel allié historique ? Non j oubliais soutenir quelques régimes totalitaires, . Je stoppe ici ces critiques faciles, elles montrent combien la mauvaise foie n est pas une exclusivité outre atlantique. ps : pas de traduction disponible pour les crétins.

[nicolas1021]

Excuse the french for not invading every country where there's oil to pillage it.

[ruggbutt]

Before you make a dumbass comment like that, go one week w/out anything oil related. See how you like that civilization. The French are Muslim sympathizers so I expect that kind of comment from you. How'd you like the Muslim riots in Paris?

[ruggbutt]

First time a speedboat pulls up to that carrier with two guy with pistols they'll surrender the carrier.  It's a French tradition.

[TheBrainQC]

French tradition is our pilots fighting now in afghanistan with charles de gaulle and rafales, making more than 1000 hours of flight supporting otan troops at ground, night and day.

I don't ear any taliban take the carrier surrounding by accosting it with a zodiac.

[samparra]

Thank you for your help! And don't listen to this junk. Most Americans admire the French.

Lets stop this stupid name calling and remember our common history. Viva la France! ..from a proud American.

[artyparis]

@samparra VivE la France is fine :)

Actually, many kids say anything on the web

[panajim1999]

I don't know, may be to help US soldiers to fight Taleebans in A-stan. I remember Bush asked frenchies to help USA to fight against terror.

But, may be, it could be to say "fuck off" to americans when France doesn't agree with the US stupid foreign policy.

[houlala16]

France is the second country in the world to maintain peace in the world after USA, France is in many coutries to maintain peace, in about 10 countries. So respect poor ignorant.

[FamasTAW]

Such wonderfull pictures!