There is one major downfall with this idea. The amount of electricity required to make this gas from water is not economically feasible. You're better off just getting an electric heater. If you use solar energy in this process, then your doing something.
ya know how they say.. dont use to much potasium hydroxide in the solution it will heat up to much ... wlel there ya go... free heat energy and still have loads hydrogen to use !
but is it more efficient than a regular electric heater? what costs more running a 5000 btu regular electric space heater for 10 hours or running a 5000 btu electrolysis heater for the same 10 hours? run the both units for the exact same length of time after calibrating the 2 of them to output the same rate of heat output,and them measure how many killwatt hours it takes to run each one for that same lenght of time, and of the electrolosys one is considerably less then great
I wonder if any of these skeptics have fully investigated this? They sure get angry at hydrogen. This is a common thread with the energy industry. They have enough money to send nay sayers out on youtube
@TheWerdSmith I would say the skeptics have not fully investigated. I'm studying hho space heater designs myself and I can truly say these heaters work using 1/4th the electricity needed for a conventional space heater. I was hoping to have a working prototype done by the winter but progress is slow due to a number of factors. This technology works and can only get better as we all develop it further. Fuel from water is a reality and we should all invest our efforts to bring it out....
but wouldn;t be cheaper, and easyer to buy a aerotherm? it might be even a bit more eficient then this... but i guess it's not as expensive and fancy as this... same as in cars. the only practical use for hho so far I think is the torch.
Better than digging big ass holes everywhere putting natural gas pipes in.
This will never get off the ground because natural gas companies like to stay employed with their huge high maintenance heavily materialized network of pipes n crap. This would put all the stress on com ed Does he even own the rights for this? HHO has been around since the 40s i doubt it. Scientific studies have been done on every burnable gas including this one.
Wow! There is no real intellect or imaginative innovation in this crowd. Used correctly, HHO can power all manner of conventional machinery from heat develoopment to kinetic energy for cars or other machinery! Wake up!
Interesting but I want to look at more details. We have been using it for years with our generators for vehicles so I know it works, but have not really looked into the home heating industry much.
I can say that one of our customers has a business rebuilding industrial motors. He has been using HHO generators to burn the insulation off the wires at 3300 according to him.He also uses it to silver solder. The flame is hottest when in contact with something- very unique characteristics.
:facepalm: you still need electricty to break the bonds of the water to produce the gases. your still are using fossil fuel (coal/natual gas remember at the power station) if you had a source of hydrgen then this would be a good idea but in its current config its bad because the electricity to hydrogen is redundant.
The unit is claimed to use 330 watts to produce H2 from water through electrolysis, along with some waste heat. The unit then burns the H2. Sorry, that means you're getting 330 watts of heat out of the unit, no more. You can't create energy. Snake oil!
If you want to reduce your heating bills, a heat pump will produce 2-5 times the energy input.
I get very tired of the "Physics Nazi's " with their incredibly closed minds: " YOU CAN"T DO THAT, BLA BLA" this is the same attitude that harrassed the Wright brothers, Capernicus and Galileo.
The day you think you know it all and start getting off on bashing others for thinking ouside the box, just like all the master's of science did! is the day you don't deserve to live anymore.
@1BustedMyth "I get very tired of the "Physics Nazi's " with their incredibly closed minds: " YOU CAN"T DO THAT, BLA BLA" this is the same attitude that harrassed the Wright brothers, Capernicus and Galileo."
I'm sorry that physical reality does not cater to your desires. But it is not closed minded to say that you can't create energy.
@pauliexcluded1, Thankyou, I am rather aware that energy is neither created nor destroyed. that has nothing to do with using it as it passes from one state to another. What do you think the Sun is doing right now and we benfit from the radiance.
Physical reality and your reality are not the same thing!
I stand by what I said. I'm always open to being corrected, are you?
I neither support or not the prototype in this video, just the search for new and better ways to use energy, NOT make it!
@1BustedMyth Um...no...the sun is undergoing hydrogen FUSION...a very different process. This device is cracking water and then immediately burning the resulting gases...Upon further investigation it is exceedingly clear that this is a scam.
@pauliexcluded1, yep I'm aware its Fusion, i was just trying to make the point that matter changing from one state to another has electromagnetic radiation that is of use. I'm still getting my head around HHO torch/heating concepts, they are very unconventional. personaly i find it easier to clear the mind of theory, look at the idea from zero, see if it actually works or not, then go back to theory to figure out how it works. There are strange results here, I certainly can't explain.
@1BustedMyth Yup...I can't see why the torch isn't legitimate. It is just electric power being used to produce a gas to fuel a torch....there are no funky claims about magic energy production. He heater here...however is a 2,500 dollar con.
@pauliexcluded1, Water based plasma Torch watch?v=9aJfXl7frdQ
I also watched a European Space Agency vid of a Plasma ball being created inside a water droplet in zero G, the resulting cavitation and implosion is rather unique. little flashes of light hotter then the surface of the Sun can produced in water, using only a sound wave.
$2500 is a lot for a heater, if its doing the whole house, say 150M2+ and there is some data as to its efficientcy, then we will see, no doubt.
@pauliexcluded1, Did you find something specific on the inventor, having a scamming background of shoddy investments or something? I really hate scammers, plenty here on yt!
@pauliexcluded1, Hydrogen/Oxygen are viable energy storage mediums. Using renewable power to split water, then recombine it in a fuel cell, giving power water and heat is well known, the process is very well understood and very old, your not making energy, your storing Solar Energy for later use. No broken physics laws anywhere.
You need to study the lives of the first scientists, enigineers etc.
120 years ago if you were trying to fly you were considered a crackpot.
@1BustedMyth Yes yes...but in this particular case...why store the energy by breaking the hydrogen bonds only to immediately recombine them....there seems no reason at all for the hydrogen step other than to dupe people into spending WAY too much for a rather crapy heater.
@pauliexcluded1, Firstly I don't support this device, i have had a little to do with Browns gas and know a lot of people who work with it. Last week i witnessed a demostration of a Plasma torch that uses only water and electricity. This is a commercial unit, i was completely amazed by its performance.
The technology seems to have merit, however i in no way vouch for the credibility of this particular company, sadly there are scammers in every area of life.
@pauliexcluded1, yep the guy who owns it, installs large compressors for refridgeration and uses it to join pipes, he loves it, I was really surprised at how well it was made, russian design, built in China.
What got me, was i was expecting oxidisation problems on the weld, but no!, it seems the gas burns so completely and the water fapour is far too hot to stay around, he loves it and welds anything just for fun, including cast iron garden furniture.
omg the comments on here have been left by the "clinically retarded". First of all, you guys that are opposed to HHO technology and its efficiency better be doing some research. It is a very high quality fuel, very easy to produce and is infinite. Do your research before you open your mouths...
@goobergel Wow... what do I say to that. First of all it would be much easier to comment on your reply if you made the slightest amount of sense. Maybe I'll just leave it at that...
@brentambrose What part of my reply did you not understand? I am sure I can explain it to you in simpler terms. I believe all I asked was, why mess with the hydrogen...just use the power you would create the hydrogen with to run a space heater. Simpler, less parts, less thermal energy tied up the water that must condense...generally I just don't see the point in this rube goldberg machine.
@brentambrose I have done my research...for more than a decade. This company is a fraud. Why would anyone pay 2500 dollars for a 300 watt, uberly overcomplicated space heater? Please explain to the simple physicist how his is supposed to work? The funny thing is they even sell a wooden cabinet for the damn thing! It's safe because it doesn't work! They know that there is no danger of a huge 300 watt dincklemagig catching that cabinet of fire:)
@goobergel Did you read my first comment at all??? I wasn't speaking specifically about this particular unit, I was CLEARLY referring to HHO production as a whole. There were all kinds of retards that were posting negative comments about the potential of HHO, so I just wanted to set them straight for the record. If the mental midgets were specifically referring to this unit in this video then I'd suggest saying so. Its amazing what effective communication will do.
@brentambrose I'm not convinced that hydrogen is going to play a major role meeting our energy needs in the days to come. It is, after all, just a means to store energy...not produce it.
actually hho is not an good heater source.. it burn quicker then most gas.. and exhaust are cool water vapors .. unless u can use heat exchanger such as burning and heating metal then get the heat off that.. i done alot electrolysis in this area already.. best use are for fuel not heat.. if you install an hho electrolysisgenerator on car.. your exhaust will burn very cool .
@superwhiz88 The actual temperature of the flame is 150. But because it is not combustion, but in fact fusion. When applied to iron for example, the surface temperature sky rockets and metls the metal completely in a few seconds. Yet the flame remains 150 and the tip cool to the touch. This in my theory is capable of violating the laws of thermodynamics because the super heated steam can then be used to drive a turbine to a generator. There are vids of people cutting masonry nails with 12 volts.
@chevy668 "The actual temperature of the flame is 150"
I think your numbers are off. The adiabatic flame temperature of hydrogen-oxygen is about 3400 Kelvin, or 3060 Kelvins more than your 150 F and more than enough to melt iron.
Not sure what you meant by "fusion", but nuclear fusion doesn't occur outside the Sun, thermonuclear bombs, and a few experimental fusion reactors.
@terrymorse Fusion is taking two or more atoms/elements and combining them. HHO Does not burn. It "fuses" back to water. That is why I say fusion. And its not an explosion, and the flame is actually energy from fusing HHO to water again. The Steam cools the flame and areas around it. It does not make any sense that this flame would be so hot and not heat the tip. But I agree that the actual temperature capable of the flame creating can be high depending on extra gases used. Find "Water torch".
@chevy668 That's a use of the word "fusion" I'm not familiar with. Fusion in chemistry refers to melting of a solid to a liquid. A better term for turning H2 and O2 into H2O is "oxidation" or "combustion".
I also fail to see how the combustion product H2O could cool the flame. It is the flame. When the very hot H2O comes out of the flame, it will heat anything it comes in contact with. The flame does not heat the tip of the torch because very little of the heat is directed at the torch.
@chevy668 "the actual temperature capable of the flame creating can be high depending on extra gases used."
The highest flame temperature will be attained with stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen (2H2 + O2), and nothing else. Adding extra gases will lower the flame temperature.
@chevy668 "This in my theory is capable of violating the laws of thermodynamics because the super heated steam can then be used to drive a turbine to a generator. "
@hhohhu "the amount of heat we get compared to the amount of electricity and water used is actually quite amazing"
I'll bet it's amazing.... amazingly similar! As in identical. You will be getting EXACTLY the same amount of power out as you are putting in...you retarded con artist...wow...hope you reply to my emial before I write to the Better Business Bureau .
@hhohhu i agree when hydrogen hotter than the surface of the sun ,at what a mere 15amps dc , knot to mention the heat that the genarator produces thru electrolysis should be outstanding
@hhohhu i agree when hydrogen hotter than the surface of the sun ,at what a mere 15amps dc , knot to mention the heat that the genarator produces thru electrolysis should be outstanding .
Hold on a minute! Water is not a fuel. A fuel is a source of energy. He's using electricity (energy) to break water into hydrogen and oxygen, so he's demonstrating electric heating that's less efficient than a space heater (hot wire).
Sure you can generate electricity from solar and wind but lets apply some more science, specifically the Laws of Thermodynamics. Electricity is a high quality form of energy, heat is the lowest quality. It's more efficient to run an electric heat pump.
this unit uses 330 watts and will heat aprx. 1500 sq ft...a space heater that pulls 330 watts won't heat a small closet. Water is fuel when you separate the hydrogen. hydrogen is a very combustible gas. So don't be the millionth guy to tell us about resistive heat.....we did comparison tests long ago. in fact the electrolysis heat that we harvest will heat more space than a resistive heater set on 330 watts...then you add the heat from the hydrogen torch :)
@hhohhu This doesn't make any since...you are talking about heating more area...but at the end of the day a joule of energy is a joule of energy...330 watts is just that...330 joules of heat energy per second being released into the surroundings. You are talking utter jibberish...and I am beginning to suspect you are more than aware of it.
I wish you guys didn't get $ in your eyes and would still share the plans. I like the other couple of people in America are laid off and could really benefit by this saving us from the over priced utilities. Spybot is a million $ comp that is still to this day, funded by only donations. You could do the same and be the hero of the century. Energy prices are killing us and I don't know if I am going to be able to keep a roof over my child's head this winter let alone keep a flame in the furnace.
timfoss445: but yet you have money for the internet. go figure. Im not telling you how to spend your money but dont complain about heating when your spending money on a luxury.
@YiuTeub yeah okay pal...ummm...when were you born?...the internet is pretty much the biggest neccessity of our generation...unless you suggest that guy just decides to become a hermit...not care about world events...not communicate...wouldn't you rather go cold than lose contact with everybody?
Again I dont care how he spends his money. But Food, Shelter, clothing, heat are needs and thats it. Everything else is luxury even though you may not think thats true.
You can live without a car (try walking). You can live without eating tenderloin (try stewing beef) You can live without the internet, it is not vital to your existence therefore NOT a necessity. And the opposite of necessity is what?? Thats right a luxury. You view it as necessity one because you need (addicted) it. PAL!
Guys, you are doing fantastic work and it works. Do you made some measurements on heat to compare electric usage-heat made from cell? Do you know why HHO gas burning 350C in air and 2700-5000C when it touches something?
A Watt is a Watt the world over. When it comes to making heat! As long as the HHO Generator and Burning of the Gas are in the same room. Then the heat is disapated the same. So the Human is comfortable. Some people like how gas heat feals, and this one is a humidifier also.
water vapor naturally exists in our atmosphere.....water is not a green house gas....
GET REAL!!!!!!!! water naturally evaporates into the atmosphere every day is is a NATURAL PROCESS. GOOD GRIEF....some people really need to get a clue.
Quick question, you guys claim emits 0 greenhouse gases yet you produce water vapor with your machine. How can you keep that claim with the fact that water vapor is the LEADING greenhouse gas.
If you thought CO2 was bad clouds jackin' up the earth hardcore.
As long as they stick their head in the sand they will remain in the dark. As we have said over and over our door is open we can prove what we claim. Come and See....come one come all.
OK he saw it pouring out heat at the earthfest in Boise...He has done no testing we invited him to come and test the power going in and test the heat coming out. He is contending that we are pulling more than 300 watts and that it is impossible to get the amount of heat we are producing out of 300 watts. Seeing it pour out heat is not testing the amount of power it is using that is their big contention.
No they will not come and see the unit even though they are here in town so they are only willing to be negativew and not put their money where their mouth is so to speak. If they are only going to stick their heads in the sand and not come see what is the use. It is only counterproductive B.S. to we removed the whole mess. We still offer an open invitation to anyone whos would like to come and see for themselves.
No though. I have seen BurnBabyBurn see your product in person. I have pictures of him standing in front of it and I have a picture of him speaking to a man behind the booth that was at the most recent Earth day festival in Boise, Idaho. So, if you want to continue lying to people about him not seeing it, that's fine.
Copper Hydroxide is blueish green in color. since we never point the flame directly into the copper, we just shoot it down the center of the tube, there does not appear to be anything more than maybe trace amounts. We have been breathing the air comming out of these units for months, with no problems.
As i used as a space heater as shown in the vid., what are the combustion by products, does it raise the humidity of the room? Is the oxygen from splitting the water used in the combustion or added into the room to reduce oxygen depletion in the room? When the budget allows it I'll get the vid.+plans package. In the event it works as advertised, this may be the only practical H from H2O appliance I have seen yet.
there are no comustion by products, hydrogen burns clean, no carbon monoxide and no carbon dioxide. The gas burns the oxygen in the water not the room. It raises humidity about 1%
Thanks, not being a carbon fuel I was expecting the by products of carbon fuel. Water is often said to be the by product of hydrogen, and where the space heater doesn't use a flue, I was curious about the humidity. Of course when ever a fuel is burned, in an eclosed space oxygen depletion is a concern. But where your unit consumes the oxygen from the water , depletion seems not to be a concern here.
well, i dont currently have the funds to buy the pdf, nor the means to build one, but i did go on their website, and therein it does use paypal so no bank details necessary (if you have a paypal account already).
Nice, have you figured out the "BTU's" for the watts usage ? I think people will be amazed when they see the figures.. And then when they see that a small wind turbine or a couple PV panels will power the cells !
Hello, I really appreciate your questions, and we want to provide the clear and accurate information. As of this moment we have completed the next generation of HHO Home Heating Units. This unit is far more compact and efficient. We have invited professionals to document our results, these professionals have all backed up our claims, however, we need independant statistical data. This new concept will be studied by independant sources and the results will be posted as soon as possible.
Guys, I not saying this can not be done. Just asking for some tests to be done to prove your claims. Still, You are not providing any data of your tests which makes your discovery doubtful. I meant, you need to use air blowing heater. Electric air heater converts electric energy direct to heat, and your device separates water to HHO, after you burning it. Efficiency of your product is how much? 200 or 300%? (In heat energy)
We have a very efficient separation cells.....electric air heaters.....are very inefficient...we did some tests using 3 1500 watt electric heaters and they would not even come close to heating the space we heat with 452 watts. Are you forgetting the energy in the hydrogen??? also the electrolysis process builds heat...which is the point of this unit. Just because you can't figure it out does not mean it cannot be done
It works. I live in Idaho so I went to Boise to take a look at it. It was running when I got there and it kept getting warmer and warmer. It works. Plus I met all these guys. They are top notch. I saw it working today. I bought the plans. I will be heating my small greenhouse and maybe my home before too long.
To the nay sayers out there, don't buy it if you don't believe it, wait till a huge corporation buys them out and takes it off the market or sells it for 10 prices. I'll have mine!
the unit only pulls 452 watts and will heat 1000 sq ft by idaho's insulation standard. Lets see the engineers told Edison he would never get light from electricity.....and they told the Wright brothers they would never get a machine heavier than air to fly????? The thing most engineers miss is the energy in the hydrogen exists you just have to figure out a efficient way to extract it. Hey look another inventor doing the impossible????
what in the world are you talking about a 1500 watt resistance heater will keep a large bathroom warm. 1040 sq ft with 8' ceilings is 8320 cubic feet 3 1500 watt resistance heaters will not keep this area warm.....GET REAL!!!!!!!
Well yes, that's the T-shirt and jeans comfort level, I mentioned :) I keep my home at 72 during the Winter. About the time I notice bit of chill, wearing said clothing, the furnace comes on.
While I understand that the flames seen when the Hindenburg crashed where not from burning hydrogen, I'm not prepare to take the leap that hydrogen is the safest gas out there. I'm sure the shot of the blimp was to show a misconception of hydrogen, but it don't work because most of the public, doesn't understand the flames where not from burning hydrogen.
There is one major downfall with this idea. The amount of electricity required to make this gas from water is not economically feasible. You're better off just getting an electric heater. If you use solar energy in this process, then your doing something.
saltzmann1 1 week ago
And the prize for the longest stripey tie goes to......
Thanks channel 6, I've just learned absolutely nothing. Please remove this so that other viewers won't waste their time on this weak report.
Rockinghorseshart 3 weeks ago
Bullshit. It doesn't work for shit.
OwNeD05 1 month ago
Whats the utilisation rate between investing electricity in electrolysis for HHO for heating and direct electric heater?
NinjaTTT 1 month ago
not an origional idea, done before,
OG96932 1 month ago
ya know how they say.. dont use to much potasium hydroxide in the solution it will heat up to much ... wlel there ya go... free heat energy and still have loads hydrogen to use !
frank0067 2 months ago
but is it more efficient than a regular electric heater? what costs more running a 5000 btu regular electric space heater for 10 hours or running a 5000 btu electrolysis heater for the same 10 hours? run the both units for the exact same length of time after calibrating the 2 of them to output the same rate of heat output,and them measure how many killwatt hours it takes to run each one for that same lenght of time, and of the electrolosys one is considerably less then great
bulletproof2353 3 months ago
Great video. Thank you for posting this.
mindthoughts1974 3 months ago
damn good idea. it all depends how efficient it is in the watts used for the amount of heet produced. vs.
variablestatus 4 months ago
I wonder if any of these skeptics have fully investigated this? They sure get angry at hydrogen. This is a common thread with the energy industry. They have enough money to send nay sayers out on youtube
TheWerdSmith 4 months ago
@TheWerdSmith I would say the skeptics have not fully investigated. I'm studying hho space heater designs myself and I can truly say these heaters work using 1/4th the electricity needed for a conventional space heater. I was hoping to have a working prototype done by the winter but progress is slow due to a number of factors. This technology works and can only get better as we all develop it further. Fuel from water is a reality and we should all invest our efforts to bring it out....
jdcproducts 4 months ago
This "Award Winning" news team should be locked up for fraud, as the "Inventor" will be if he sells any of these bogus water-powered heaters
betamale3 5 months ago
Typically badly researched news item.
Where does the energy come from to make the hydrogen?
If you use 1000w of electricity to make hydrogen and oxygen, then burn it, you will get 1000 watts of heat - thats it !!
Whats the point exactly?
Well the point is to sell pointless "water-powered" heaters to people who dont understand how it works
betamale3 5 months ago
how ampers? and how voltage uses this invention? better heat your home with solar colectors for free and safer
SpeedMetal4635 6 months ago
but wouldn;t be cheaper, and easyer to buy a aerotherm? it might be even a bit more eficient then this... but i guess it's not as expensive and fancy as this... same as in cars. the only practical use for hho so far I think is the torch.
stalkersas 6 months ago
When it sounds too good to be true . . . it's a always a scam.
Especially when it's promoted on late night TV infomercials or YouTube.
markhinr 7 months ago
Better than digging big ass holes everywhere putting natural gas pipes in.
This will never get off the ground because natural gas companies like to stay employed with their huge high maintenance heavily materialized network of pipes n crap. This would put all the stress on com ed Does he even own the rights for this? HHO has been around since the 40s i doubt it. Scientific studies have been done on every burnable gas including this one.
drainocleanser 8 months ago
Wow! There is no real intellect or imaginative innovation in this crowd. Used correctly, HHO can power all manner of conventional machinery from heat develoopment to kinetic energy for cars or other machinery! Wake up!
TonyPonyTube 8 months ago
Interesting but I want to look at more details. We have been using it for years with our generators for vehicles so I know it works, but have not really looked into the home heating industry much.
I can say that one of our customers has a business rebuilding industrial motors. He has been using HHO generators to burn the insulation off the wires at 3300 according to him.He also uses it to silver solder. The flame is hottest when in contact with something- very unique characteristics.
HybridWaterMan2 11 months ago
they didn't mention the electricity. that's kinda missing the most important part
questionful 11 months ago
:facepalm: you still need electricty to break the bonds of the water to produce the gases. your still are using fossil fuel (coal/natual gas remember at the power station) if you had a source of hydrgen then this would be a good idea but in its current config its bad because the electricity to hydrogen is redundant.
Unguidedone 11 months ago
Let's see...
The unit is claimed to use 330 watts to produce H2 from water through electrolysis, along with some waste heat. The unit then burns the H2. Sorry, that means you're getting 330 watts of heat out of the unit, no more. You can't create energy. Snake oil!
If you want to reduce your heating bills, a heat pump will produce 2-5 times the energy input.
terrymorse 1 year ago
I get very tired of the "Physics Nazi's " with their incredibly closed minds: " YOU CAN"T DO THAT, BLA BLA" this is the same attitude that harrassed the Wright brothers, Capernicus and Galileo.
The day you think you know it all and start getting off on bashing others for thinking ouside the box, just like all the master's of science did! is the day you don't deserve to live anymore.
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth "I get very tired of the "Physics Nazi's " with their incredibly closed minds: " YOU CAN"T DO THAT, BLA BLA" this is the same attitude that harrassed the Wright brothers, Capernicus and Galileo."
I'm sorry that physical reality does not cater to your desires. But it is not closed minded to say that you can't create energy.
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago
@pauliexcluded1, Thankyou, I am rather aware that energy is neither created nor destroyed. that has nothing to do with using it as it passes from one state to another. What do you think the Sun is doing right now and we benfit from the radiance.
Physical reality and your reality are not the same thing!
I stand by what I said. I'm always open to being corrected, are you?
I neither support or not the prototype in this video, just the search for new and better ways to use energy, NOT make it!
1BustedMyth 11 months ago
@1BustedMyth Um...no...the sun is undergoing hydrogen FUSION...a very different process. This device is cracking water and then immediately burning the resulting gases...Upon further investigation it is exceedingly clear that this is a scam.
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago 2
@pauliexcluded1, yep I'm aware its Fusion, i was just trying to make the point that matter changing from one state to another has electromagnetic radiation that is of use. I'm still getting my head around HHO torch/heating concepts, they are very unconventional. personaly i find it easier to clear the mind of theory, look at the idea from zero, see if it actually works or not, then go back to theory to figure out how it works. There are strange results here, I certainly can't explain.
1BustedMyth 11 months ago
@1BustedMyth Yup...I can't see why the torch isn't legitimate. It is just electric power being used to produce a gas to fuel a torch....there are no funky claims about magic energy production. He heater here...however is a 2,500 dollar con.
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago 2
@pauliexcluded1, Water based plasma Torch watch?v=9aJfXl7frdQ
I also watched a European Space Agency vid of a Plasma ball being created inside a water droplet in zero G, the resulting cavitation and implosion is rather unique. little flashes of light hotter then the surface of the Sun can produced in water, using only a sound wave.
$2500 is a lot for a heater, if its doing the whole house, say 150M2+ and there is some data as to its efficientcy, then we will see, no doubt.
1BustedMyth 11 months ago
@pauliexcluded1, Did you find something specific on the inventor, having a scamming background of shoddy investments or something? I really hate scammers, plenty here on yt!
1BustedMyth 11 months ago 2
@pauliexcluded1, Hydrogen/Oxygen are viable energy storage mediums. Using renewable power to split water, then recombine it in a fuel cell, giving power water and heat is well known, the process is very well understood and very old, your not making energy, your storing Solar Energy for later use. No broken physics laws anywhere.
You need to study the lives of the first scientists, enigineers etc.
120 years ago if you were trying to fly you were considered a crackpot.
1BustedMyth 11 months ago
@1BustedMyth Yes yes...but in this particular case...why store the energy by breaking the hydrogen bonds only to immediately recombine them....there seems no reason at all for the hydrogen step other than to dupe people into spending WAY too much for a rather crapy heater.
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago 2
@pauliexcluded1, Firstly I don't support this device, i have had a little to do with Browns gas and know a lot of people who work with it. Last week i witnessed a demostration of a Plasma torch that uses only water and electricity. This is a commercial unit, i was completely amazed by its performance.
The technology seems to have merit, however i in no way vouch for the credibility of this particular company, sadly there are scammers in every area of life.
1BustedMyth 11 months ago
@1BustedMyth Yea the torch idea is neat. You have less cutting power however you don't have to buy gas...it should have a legitimate market.
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago
@pauliexcluded1, yep the guy who owns it, installs large compressors for refridgeration and uses it to join pipes, he loves it, I was really surprised at how well it was made, russian design, built in China.
What got me, was i was expecting oxidisation problems on the weld, but no!, it seems the gas burns so completely and the water fapour is far too hot to stay around, he loves it and welds anything just for fun, including cast iron garden furniture.
1BustedMyth 11 months ago
Heaters don't heat square feet, they heat cubic feet in your home. Is this used to heat your floors, walls or ceiling?
bugsz1 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@bugsz1 "Heaters don't heat square feet, they heat cubic feet in your home. Is this used to heat your floors, walls or ceiling?"
Ha! Thanks for pointing this out. Yes...you see, a 350 watt heater really can't handle the extra dimension...thus it only heats areas:)
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago
What is the BTUs for this device? The answer will solve the argument.
bugsz1 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@bugsz1 "What is the BTUs for this device? The answer will solve the argument."
350 Watts, which is the power output of this device, translates into a rather measly 1,200 BTU's....yea...that certainly does settle the argument.
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago
wtf? No gas is safe at ridiculously high levels, not even oxygen
dzgfdg 1 year ago
300 watts is hot if you light 5 60 watt bulbs and blow a fan over them...
rwhhguy 1 year ago
An electric furnace or heater that simply uses a heater coil like a hair dryer works great.
x65535x 1 year ago
omg the comments on here have been left by the "clinically retarded". First of all, you guys that are opposed to HHO technology and its efficiency better be doing some research. It is a very high quality fuel, very easy to produce and is infinite. Do your research before you open your mouths...
brentambrose 1 year ago
@brentambrose But...why not just use an electric space heater...the gas doesn't buy you anything here....
goobergel 1 year ago
@goobergel Wow... what do I say to that. First of all it would be much easier to comment on your reply if you made the slightest amount of sense. Maybe I'll just leave it at that...
brentambrose 1 year ago
@brentambrose What part of my reply did you not understand? I am sure I can explain it to you in simpler terms. I believe all I asked was, why mess with the hydrogen...just use the power you would create the hydrogen with to run a space heater. Simpler, less parts, less thermal energy tied up the water that must condense...generally I just don't see the point in this rube goldberg machine.
goobergel 1 year ago 2
@goobergel "generally I just don't see the point in this rube goldberg machine"
THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago
@brentambrose I have done my research...for more than a decade. This company is a fraud. Why would anyone pay 2500 dollars for a 300 watt, uberly overcomplicated space heater? Please explain to the simple physicist how his is supposed to work? The funny thing is they even sell a wooden cabinet for the damn thing! It's safe because it doesn't work! They know that there is no danger of a huge 300 watt dincklemagig catching that cabinet of fire:)
goobergel 1 year ago
@goobergel Did you read my first comment at all??? I wasn't speaking specifically about this particular unit, I was CLEARLY referring to HHO production as a whole. There were all kinds of retards that were posting negative comments about the potential of HHO, so I just wanted to set them straight for the record. If the mental midgets were specifically referring to this unit in this video then I'd suggest saying so. Its amazing what effective communication will do.
brentambrose 1 year ago
@brentambrose I'm not convinced that hydrogen is going to play a major role meeting our energy needs in the days to come. It is, after all, just a means to store energy...not produce it.
goobergel 1 year ago
actually hho is not an good heater source.. it burn quicker then most gas.. and exhaust are cool water vapors .. unless u can use heat exchanger such as burning and heating metal then get the heat off that.. i done alot electrolysis in this area already.. best use are for fuel not heat.. if you install an hho electrolysisgenerator on car.. your exhaust will burn very cool .
superwhiz88 2 years ago 3
Thats not true....if you mis adjust your mapsensor your car will over heat? What in the World are you talking about
hhohhu 2 years ago 3
heat is cause by gas not hydrogen .. this is why you see guys touching tips of hho welder after done welding ..
superwhiz88 2 years ago
dude you are out to lunch if you touch the tip of the torch after it goes out it will blister you....??????? your are in LaLa land wake up
hhohhu 2 years ago 2
@hhohhu Have seen it on a news cast. Watch /watch?v=pwlOw7iCNrI And you will see what hes talking about.
obeyance 3 weeks ago
@superwhiz88 --- there is no such thing as a cool flame duh.
TheChineseEmpire 9 months ago 2
@hhohhu not if your car is older with caurb.
spindriff 1 year ago
@superwhiz88 The actual temperature of the flame is 150. But because it is not combustion, but in fact fusion. When applied to iron for example, the surface temperature sky rockets and metls the metal completely in a few seconds. Yet the flame remains 150 and the tip cool to the touch. This in my theory is capable of violating the laws of thermodynamics because the super heated steam can then be used to drive a turbine to a generator. There are vids of people cutting masonry nails with 12 volts.
chevy668 1 year ago
@chevy668 "The actual temperature of the flame is 150"
I think your numbers are off. The adiabatic flame temperature of hydrogen-oxygen is about 3400 Kelvin, or 3060 Kelvins more than your 150 F and more than enough to melt iron.
Not sure what you meant by "fusion", but nuclear fusion doesn't occur outside the Sun, thermonuclear bombs, and a few experimental fusion reactors.
terrymorse 11 months ago
@terrymorse Fusion is taking two or more atoms/elements and combining them. HHO Does not burn. It "fuses" back to water. That is why I say fusion. And its not an explosion, and the flame is actually energy from fusing HHO to water again. The Steam cools the flame and areas around it. It does not make any sense that this flame would be so hot and not heat the tip. But I agree that the actual temperature capable of the flame creating can be high depending on extra gases used. Find "Water torch".
chevy668 11 months ago
@chevy668 That's a use of the word "fusion" I'm not familiar with. Fusion in chemistry refers to melting of a solid to a liquid. A better term for turning H2 and O2 into H2O is "oxidation" or "combustion".
I also fail to see how the combustion product H2O could cool the flame. It is the flame. When the very hot H2O comes out of the flame, it will heat anything it comes in contact with. The flame does not heat the tip of the torch because very little of the heat is directed at the torch.
terrymorse 11 months ago
@chevy668 "the actual temperature capable of the flame creating can be high depending on extra gases used."
The highest flame temperature will be attained with stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen (2H2 + O2), and nothing else. Adding extra gases will lower the flame temperature.
terrymorse 11 months ago
@chevy668 "Fusion is taking two or more atoms/elements and combining them. HHO Does not burn. It "fuses" back to water"
HA! No...no this is not a fusion device! I assure you they are burning hydrogen gas. It is nothing more impressive than that.
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago
@chevy668 "This in my theory is capable of violating the laws of thermodynamics because the super heated steam can then be used to drive a turbine to a generator. "
John 11:35......
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago
the amount of heat we get compared to the amount of electricity and water used is actually quite amazing
hhohhu 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@hhohhu "the amount of heat we get compared to the amount of electricity and water used is actually quite amazing"
I'll bet it's amazing.... amazingly similar! As in identical. You will be getting EXACTLY the same amount of power out as you are putting in...you retarded con artist...wow...hope you reply to my emial before I write to the Better Business Bureau .
goobergel 1 year ago
@hhohhu i agree when hydrogen hotter than the surface of the sun ,at what a mere 15amps dc , knot to mention the heat that the genarator produces thru electrolysis should be outstanding
mrbasshole1 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@hhohhu i agree when hydrogen hotter than the surface of the sun ,at what a mere 15amps dc , knot to mention the heat that the genarator produces thru electrolysis should be outstanding .
mrbasshole1 1 year ago
Hold on a minute! Water is not a fuel. A fuel is a source of energy. He's using electricity (energy) to break water into hydrogen and oxygen, so he's demonstrating electric heating that's less efficient than a space heater (hot wire).
Sure you can generate electricity from solar and wind but lets apply some more science, specifically the Laws of Thermodynamics. Electricity is a high quality form of energy, heat is the lowest quality. It's more efficient to run an electric heat pump.
teazer999999 2 years ago 7
this unit uses 330 watts and will heat aprx. 1500 sq ft...a space heater that pulls 330 watts won't heat a small closet. Water is fuel when you separate the hydrogen. hydrogen is a very combustible gas. So don't be the millionth guy to tell us about resistive heat.....we did comparison tests long ago. in fact the electrolysis heat that we harvest will heat more space than a resistive heater set on 330 watts...then you add the heat from the hydrogen torch :)
hhohhu 2 years ago
@hhohhu Your explanation means nothing. Your body can heat 1500sq ft. Some REAL numbers please.
bugsz1 1 year ago
@hhohhu This doesn't make any since...you are talking about heating more area...but at the end of the day a joule of energy is a joule of energy...330 watts is just that...330 joules of heat energy per second being released into the surroundings. You are talking utter jibberish...and I am beginning to suspect you are more than aware of it.
pauliexcluded1 11 months ago
I wish you guys didn't get $ in your eyes and would still share the plans. I like the other couple of people in America are laid off and could really benefit by this saving us from the over priced utilities. Spybot is a million $ comp that is still to this day, funded by only donations. You could do the same and be the hero of the century. Energy prices are killing us and I don't know if I am going to be able to keep a roof over my child's head this winter let alone keep a flame in the furnace.
timfoss445 2 years ago
timfoss445: but yet you have money for the internet. go figure. Im not telling you how to spend your money but dont complain about heating when your spending money on a luxury.
YiuTeub 2 years ago
@YiuTeub yeah okay pal...ummm...when were you born?...the internet is pretty much the biggest neccessity of our generation...unless you suggest that guy just decides to become a hermit...not care about world events...not communicate...wouldn't you rather go cold than lose contact with everybody?
magicyte 1 year ago
Again I dont care how he spends his money. But Food, Shelter, clothing, heat are needs and thats it. Everything else is luxury even though you may not think thats true.
You can live without a car (try walking). You can live without eating tenderloin (try stewing beef) You can live without the internet, it is not vital to your existence therefore NOT a necessity. And the opposite of necessity is what?? Thats right a luxury. You view it as necessity one because you need (addicted) it. PAL!
YiuTeub 1 year ago
@magicyte I know lots of people with out internet they go to work pay taxes, they are functionining members of society
spindriff 1 year ago
Guys, you are doing fantastic work and it works. Do you made some measurements on heat to compare electric usage-heat made from cell? Do you know why HHO gas burning 350C in air and 2700-5000C when it touches something?
GmanBB 2 years ago
A Watt is a Watt the world over. When it comes to making heat! As long as the HHO Generator and Burning of the Gas are in the same room. Then the heat is disapated the same. So the Human is comfortable. Some people like how gas heat feals, and this one is a humidifier also.
H2O2FromH20 2 years ago
could I please purchase the plans so I could prove all these people wrong
Thanks, Steve
shoottheloot 2 years ago
water vapor naturally exists in our atmosphere.....water is not a green house gas....
GET REAL!!!!!!!! water naturally evaporates into the atmosphere every day is is a NATURAL PROCESS. GOOD GRIEF....some people really need to get a clue.
hhohhu 2 years ago
Quick question, you guys claim emits 0 greenhouse gases yet you produce water vapor with your machine. How can you keep that claim with the fact that water vapor is the LEADING greenhouse gas.
If you thought CO2 was bad clouds jackin' up the earth hardcore.
beltyro 2 years ago
I just watched a video of a guy getting between 7.5 and 7.7 mmw with his dry cell. close to 95% efficiency I believe
lApEkv2l 2 years ago
do you think the oil companies will allow hho to be used for cars and homes and what not? I don't think so.
JesseS420 2 years ago
i thought it going to be something more interesting
thegreatkoua 2 years ago
As long as they stick their head in the sand they will remain in the dark. As we have said over and over our door is open we can prove what we claim. Come and See....come one come all.
hhohhu 2 years ago
OK he saw it pouring out heat at the earthfest in Boise...He has done no testing we invited him to come and test the power going in and test the heat coming out. He is contending that we are pulling more than 300 watts and that it is impossible to get the amount of heat we are producing out of 300 watts. Seeing it pour out heat is not testing the amount of power it is using that is their big contention.
hhohhu 2 years ago
No they will not come and see the unit even though they are here in town so they are only willing to be negativew and not put their money where their mouth is so to speak. If they are only going to stick their heads in the sand and not come see what is the use. It is only counterproductive B.S. to we removed the whole mess. We still offer an open invitation to anyone whos would like to come and see for themselves.
hhohhu 2 years ago
No though. I have seen BurnBabyBurn see your product in person. I have pictures of him standing in front of it and I have a picture of him speaking to a man behind the booth that was at the most recent Earth day festival in Boise, Idaho. So, if you want to continue lying to people about him not seeing it, that's fine.
tuffentiny 2 years ago
Where did all the discussion go? Did someone prove you wrong?
tuffentiny 2 years ago
And this won't form Copper Hydroxide from the products of the H20 dissociation reaction?
People usually don't like respiratory irritants floating in their air.
Ramsauer82 2 years ago
Copper Hydroxide is blueish green in color. since we never point the flame directly into the copper, we just shoot it down the center of the tube, there does not appear to be anything more than maybe trace amounts. We have been breathing the air comming out of these units for months, with no problems.
hhohhu 2 years ago
word up i going to put up some thing real cool soon, very shocking to the hho world.
jdmforyou 2 years ago
As i used as a space heater as shown in the vid., what are the combustion by products, does it raise the humidity of the room? Is the oxygen from splitting the water used in the combustion or added into the room to reduce oxygen depletion in the room? When the budget allows it I'll get the vid.+plans package. In the event it works as advertised, this may be the only practical H from H2O appliance I have seen yet.
westkan 2 years ago
there are no comustion by products, hydrogen burns clean, no carbon monoxide and no carbon dioxide. The gas burns the oxygen in the water not the room. It raises humidity about 1%
hhohhu 2 years ago
Thanks, not being a carbon fuel I was expecting the by products of carbon fuel. Water is often said to be the by product of hydrogen, and where the space heater doesn't use a flue, I was curious about the humidity. Of course when ever a fuel is burned, in an eclosed space oxygen depletion is a concern. But where your unit consumes the oxygen from the water , depletion seems not to be a concern here.
westkan 2 years ago
could this be used to heat saunas? (80-90-120)
youarelackluster 2 years ago
not sure have not tried that
hhohhu 2 years ago
To hhohhu HOW ABOUT A PAYPAL FONCTION ON YOUR SITE I HATE GIVING MY BANK DETAILS OVER THE NET GETTED IT SORTED AND I LL INVEST IN YOUR PLANS
theoneagain 2 years ago
well, i dont currently have the funds to buy the pdf, nor the means to build one, but i did go on their website, and therein it does use paypal so no bank details necessary (if you have a paypal account already).
youarelackluster 2 years ago
it takes you to pay pal thats how you pay
hhohhu 2 years ago
Nice, have you figured out the "BTU's" for the watts usage ? I think people will be amazed when they see the figures.. And then when they see that a small wind turbine or a couple PV panels will power the cells !
Davehho1 2 years ago
absolutely...we will share all the info.
hhohhu 2 years ago
hi what about us who paid for the plans will we get the updates??
thanks sshhmmuu
sshhmmuueell 2 years ago
Please prove I'm wrong.
GmanBB 2 years ago
Hello, I really appreciate your questions, and we want to provide the clear and accurate information. As of this moment we have completed the next generation of HHO Home Heating Units. This unit is far more compact and efficient. We have invited professionals to document our results, these professionals have all backed up our claims, however, we need independant statistical data. This new concept will be studied by independant sources and the results will be posted as soon as possible.
hhohhu 2 years ago
Please give us the time to complete this. We are working as hard as we can, and as fast as we can.
hhohhu 2 years ago
Guys, I not saying this can not be done. Just asking for some tests to be done to prove your claims. Still, You are not providing any data of your tests which makes your discovery doubtful. I meant, you need to use air blowing heater. Electric air heater converts electric energy direct to heat, and your device separates water to HHO, after you burning it. Efficiency of your product is how much? 200 or 300%? (In heat energy)
GmanBB 2 years ago
No doubt it works. Question is-do you have more heat output from burning HHO, than using electric air heater. This is simple.
GmanBB 2 years ago
We have a very efficient separation cells.....electric air heaters.....are very inefficient...we did some tests using 3 1500 watt electric heaters and they would not even come close to heating the space we heat with 452 watts. Are you forgetting the energy in the hydrogen??? also the electrolysis process builds heat...which is the point of this unit. Just because you can't figure it out does not mean it cannot be done
hhohhu 2 years ago
It works. I live in Idaho so I went to Boise to take a look at it. It was running when I got there and it kept getting warmer and warmer. It works. Plus I met all these guys. They are top notch. I saw it working today. I bought the plans. I will be heating my small greenhouse and maybe my home before too long.
To the nay sayers out there, don't buy it if you don't believe it, wait till a huge corporation buys them out and takes it off the market or sells it for 10 prices. I'll have mine!
magprob 2 years ago
In the event they can be home shop built now for personal use, they can always be home shop built for personal use..
westkan 2 years ago
the unit only pulls 452 watts and will heat 1000 sq ft by idaho's insulation standard. Lets see the engineers told Edison he would never get light from electricity.....and they told the Wright brothers they would never get a machine heavier than air to fly????? The thing most engineers miss is the energy in the hydrogen exists you just have to figure out a efficient way to extract it. Hey look another inventor doing the impossible????
hhohhu 2 years ago
Understanding comfortable is a relative term. 452 Watts of resistance heat should keep 1K sq. ft. comfortable.
westkan 2 years ago
what in the world are you talking about a 1500 watt resistance heater will keep a large bathroom warm. 1040 sq ft with 8' ceilings is 8320 cubic feet 3 1500 watt resistance heaters will not keep this area warm.....GET REAL!!!!!!!
hhohhu 2 years ago
My comment was baaed on my real world experiances, using resistance heaters. ONE heater will keep the referenced room T Shirt and jeans comfortable
westkan 2 years ago
We are talking about keeping the room temp 74 degrees.
hhohhu 2 years ago
Well yes, that's the T-shirt and jeans comfort level, I mentioned :) I keep my home at 72 during the Winter. About the time I notice bit of chill, wearing said clothing, the furnace comes on.
westkan 2 years ago
Way to go..one more step away from utility companies controlling our energy suppy. From Down Under..Good one mate!
myhydrogencar 3 years ago
Great stuff... i think the setup piece was a tad OTT... showing an hydrogen blimp on fire...
Tactums 3 years ago
While I understand that the flames seen when the Hindenburg crashed where not from burning hydrogen, I'm not prepare to take the leap that hydrogen is the safest gas out there. I'm sure the shot of the blimp was to show a misconception of hydrogen, but it don't work because most of the public, doesn't understand the flames where not from burning hydrogen.
westkan 2 years ago