it's a real strange music but no way they suck, they are great musicians and who says "it just sucks" "they're pathetic" no they aren't and you can't understand good music or talent
Love the comments! This is Charlie Z, the drummer in this video & have since left the band. I've played with Arctopus, Jordan Rudess from Dream Theater, Blotted Science, Joe Lynn Turner among many others. This is way early on in learning the tune so it's nowhere near as tight as it got later on but it's a tune I wrote for the band in their style that is difficult for difficult's sake. Check my SoundCloud for a better studio version of it. But yeah, it's supposed to be over the top & crazy!
these guys remind me of a much weaker blotted science. maybe it has something to do with the bass, but in any case they'd probably sound better if not only they played tighter, but also had a much better foundation. but thats just my opinion and i bet these guys are still much better musicians so if anyone else has any insight into why these guys sound kinda shitty please let me know.
@boobengarden666 I love both of them. I guess Behold just don't care. They don't want their music to sound good. It's just a great crawling and shapeless chaos. That's why I love it. I'd say this is truly Avant-Garde Metal, experimental, while Blotted is more melodic, Technical Death Metal I'd say.
As much as i want to appreciate innovative musicians with ground breaking ideas, i would have to be lying to myself if i thought this sounded pleasant or enjoyable. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder but all this music speaks to me is that these musicians want to be different so badly theyll throw most elements of music out the window to demonstrate they can be.
I may not like their music (if that is enough to be qualified as a plebeian whore, I will gladly show my bare legs to all the highbrow patricians roaming the via youtubia), but I have to admit one thing:
The band's name might just be the best one I've encountered so far!
I think I will stick with listening to Britney Spears and jamming dildos up my ass at the same time. Behold... the Arctopus sucks in the same way Primus sucks.
I like the music. I'm glad to be able to see this song performed (its one of my favorites of theirs) - also check out Blotted Science. And if you hate this music... oh well, too bad.
wow so many people dont like music thats not in a genre they know. Ehww i don't understand this rythm i don't like it.. 99% of the 'progressive rock/metal" that is played nowadays is not progressive anymore for like 20 years. Dream Theater? Not a bad band but i've heard all they're 'progressiveness' before or from another band or their own songs. If you like don; t like music with actual surprises, then dont listen to it. And don't complain.
coming from a musicians opinion, this is the most fun style to play. its more about them than an audience. if they wanted to become chart toppers, im sure they have the capacity. ive always loved this band.. they are just too complex for most people and probably require a certain level of adhd to listen to.
What the fuck is this shit? there is no doubt that they are good musicians but as a band it sounds like some dude is having a seisure and slamming into a bunch of musical instruments. it sounds like 30 different riffs all put together to make a "song". oh i forgot the part where they just randomly stop to make it sound even more ridiculous. How is this progressive? anyone can go on a guitar and play random ass notice and stop when they feel like it and call it a complex time signature. TRASH
@CakedandBaked247 its called prog metal man. it can consist of pretty much anything. that is why there are some wacky prog metal bands out there, because progressive music lets you do whatever you want pretty much. and i think if you listened to this without the drums i could agree with you about anyone being able to just pick up a guitar and play randomness. but i think progressive music is nothing without the drums, it differentiates everything. it is crap music, but you have to respect them.
@CakedandBaked247 what i dont get is how idiots call this "random trash" when it is clearly played on stage perfect and can be replayed whenever they please, these musicians are impressive beyond belief and if you dont understand this it is your own fault, too fucking good tbh 10/10.
@IAMinDreams Who the fuck are you to insult my intelligence when you don't even know me. I never once said "random trash" so now you are putting words in my mouth and i've already said TWICE that they were good musicians, but the songs themselves are stupid. Maybe you should learn to read before you start insulting people. Who gives a shit if they can replay it? You can replay bad songs too, and yea im totally just not understanding it and this is actually good music, LOL try again asshole
@CakedandBaked247 well...you can replay a bad song...but if it was randomly made up then they couldnt, also how are theyre songs stupid? i dont get your logic?
@IAMinDreams i guess you're too feeble minded to comprehend that people can copy rhythms that were at one point random. (or just horrible, hence these guys) I thought i made it clear why i thought the songs were stupid and if you really can't understand my logic you should probably get to studying instead of melting your brain with this garbage.
@IAMinDreams ohhh did i hit a nerve? Now you have made homophobic slurs, insulted an entire genre of music, and stereotyped my musical preferences. You just lack in intelligence don't you? If you want some "real metal" listen to some Mastodon and not this sad excuse.
@CakedandBaked247 mastodon is also a good band, your probably have good musical taste thats the sad thing, also about the stuffing 30 riffs into one song thing...you basicly hate on this for being too complex...it has alot of flavoring within it and it connects musically although it may seem choppy at times for those who cant understand it...this band has too much to offer to metal, that being said..done fighting with you over youtube. bye
your arguments are so lacking in any kind of support. its not worth it anymore. complexity doesnt mean having a bunch of different shit one after another. it means there are interwoven parts that make the piece intricate. this is not evident in any part of this song. end of story. bye
@CakedandBaked247 thats just it...it is interwoven and is very intricate and you cant see that...therefore your "lack of understanding" your missing out dude lmao
This isnt really a band to listen to, you get into it sure, but its really to just respect the musicianship. I know where you are all coming from, but this is their thing. You dont HAVE to listen to it.
seriously, stop whining about talent. everyone's taste is different, and you can't justify a band being "good or bad" based on fucking youtube comments.
And bollocks they're ahead of their time - they're just jumping off from people like Dillinger Escape plan and all those nutty mathcore bands that play in 23/13 time signatures. They're very much of their time.
this is not progressive and it's not way too ahead of its time this is shit The guitarist sucks everything he plays sounds sloppy they cannot write shit so they say "let's sound extremely progressive because we cannot write shit".They just play random notes trying to sound ''hyperprogressive''.All their "riffs" and their "melodies" sound teriblle, this is by far the worst and most rediculous band in existence...
@DimiCOB "by far the worst and most ridiculous band in existence"???? Why do you have to be so mean? I bet you and I can find way worst bands in the 1000's. Hah. To each his own I guess.
@8xXOctavariumXx8 Big words from someone who is worse than some1 who plays 2 months guitar... You have no idea about guitar playing u cannot even play the basics, u cannot make a simple bend, or do some basic tapping,play a riif correctly or follow a 4/4 rythm.Your improvising is childish and everything u play sounds sloppy as hell and u think you are over the average and u can judge me?Btw i don't see any complex melodies here...but for someone at your level even a powerchord sounds extreme...
@DimiCOB Yes Im aware of my shitty video. I play drums predominantly and I'm sure I could keep up with your "THRASHY AS HEEELLLLLL" shit you put up. But it isn't my style. And don't bother telling me about my band shit I have up. It's just dicking around, not meant to be serious. Neither was that crap video you watched.
@DimiCOB clearly you are not musican, any real musician would see the complex melodies here, go hearing metallica or other gay bands who play mainstream pathetic shit and get the fuck out of here, if you don't like it then what are you doing here???
@NecrophagistArsis Here are some bands and guitarists i like musician: Symphony x, Dream Theater, Children of Bodom, Wintersun, Marco Sfogli, Danielle Gottardo, Jeff Loomis, Nevermore,Yngwie J. Malmsteen, Paul Gilbert,Jason Becker and i like also Bach,Pagannini's pieces.I used to hear to Metallica 6 years ago music genius...But you defenitely don't know these bands/guitarists because they are not so superprogressive as "behold the noise"
@DimiCOB i know and love those musicians they are great on their playing but that doesn't mean the Behold The Arctopus is noise i mean just because you can play progressive an complex music in a "more normal" structure, it doesn't mean that if you play it with estrange armories and tempos it won't be music just because it is different to what we normally are used to listen it doesn't mean it is not music, people used to tell these kinds of thing to Beethoven because he innovated the music
You're retarded. Just because you don't appreciate is doesn't mean SHIT. I heard your GENERIC fuckin playing and there's not even a hint of originality. Talk about not being able to write SHIT- Your little solo was generic as can be. Don't act like you're some rock god just cuz you have a little technique. By the way YOUR TONE SOUNDS LIKE A MONKEY RAPING A BANJO.
By the way, by your retarded comments you have revealed that your understanding of composition is minimal (as your little up-one-scale-down-the-other diddy well proved) so if you don't like BtA how about you SHUT THE FUCK UP AND MOVE THE FUCK ON and leave the comments to PEOPLE WHO KNOW SHIT.
WHAT IN GODS NAME IS THIS!!! And no this is not real music its like random notes put together with some weird ass scales. Also, the songs dont even have rythm, theres no central song just a bunch of notesthrown together...
@BenitutuORstfu Except that music is notes in scales, so durr durr. This is just as much music as anything else. It's definitely a polarizing taste, but don't hate it if you don't have the taste for it.
@Imptheshrimp ok no music is not notes in scales, that is sound or even if it is music its bad music; good music is notes put together creatively and that musically fits.
@BenitutuORstfu Except that opinion is subjective. Yes, arranged music is sound but no, it is not up to only you to decide if it's good or not. Like I said, it's about taste. Also, these notes are definitely 'put together creatively', what you think they're just fucking around making noises? It fits great musically, just because it's not conventionally arrange doesn't mean it's not arranged at all or is not 'musically fitting'.
Very creative. This is what's missing in what seems to be a diminishing art. I hope people can appreciate this and not blow it off as being too "ahead of their time" - which they are only because most people are behind their ability to comprehend such awesome creativity. There are some of us, as shown in this blog, that are up with the times. But I think most of the ignorance comes from the ones who choose what we all should listen to - i.e. the music industry. Kind of an oxymoron.
I love BTA but are they still around? Charlie Z. left in 2008, and after reporting that they replaced him in 2009 the BTA website hasn't been updated since...no gigs, no recordings, nothing. ???
@chazpres514 I think they're pretty much gone. Colin has a million other projects and a recording studio to deal with, so I assume they are no more. I could be wrong.
Arguing on YouTube? WHAT? Naw, but really... Either you enjoy listening to them or you don't. I do. But I can totally see why some wouldn't. It has nothing to do with "complex brains" or anything intellectual. It's a matter of taste, period. These dude are talented, it's plain to see. But I can understand how some might feel like this is a waste of talent. BTW Those who feel like their taste in music is a mark of their intelligence have some growing up to do. :)
@Pollocasabrava Wanted to say something but you pretty much summed up my feelings. I had a friend tell me that he wasn't "smart" enough for the kind of music I listened to and I said "intelligence has nothing to do with it." I'm not smart for liking this band or weird complex music: it's just what I like.
@Pollocasabrava Yeah, I never understood it when people said music was "intellectually stimulating". How? I guess if you're a professional musician you can look at it from a craftsman's point of view and puzzle over how it was put together, but otherwise? I mean what ideas does it plant in your head? What does it make you think about? How does it modify your world view? I don't understand!
priest and dio are pioneers for metal. i personally dont like their music, but i can respect what they have done for metal. its all about personal taste. like this band, i personally love them. you are ignorant if you say this isnt metal or this is not talented or just noise. this is the most artsy form of metal there is. do you consider picasso art? cuz i do, and this is the picasso of metal. extremely talented not only instrumentally, but compositionally. try writing this then play it live.
please!!! for god's sakes do not bash PRIEST or DIO. obviously you're too young to understand how important these artists were and are to todays heavy music generation.
this is like 'om' by coltrane or some far out 'sun ra' but it's made accessible by the extreme virtuosity of the musicians. I think these guys are 'showing off' and that we can really find their voices in the midst of that torrent. It's like as if King Crimson did death metal
Somehow this reminds me of Fantomas. Nice. Probably I could only listen to it for a few minutes at a time, but woah, that's just too many ideas squeezed into one song.
You know, there is such a thing as being too abstract. Just because it sounds wierd and doesnt follow a standard structure (or any structure) doesnt mean it has meaning and doesnt mean it isnt mindless wankage. Its so misguided that if Van Halen did this it would be considered art. But its not, its shovelwhere of odd time signatures and wacky chromatic riffs. You cant just throw random theory and scales together, think of a name that sounds cool and call it music. I say this again; Misguided!!!
I get what there doing, and I appreciate there technical prowess. But what happened to tone? Shawn Lane used to teach at my school and I can tell you he could play ANYTHING these guys would try easily but would never sacrifice tone for technique sake. They make be talented but the only one that sounds good is the drummer.
i give these guys a ton of credit bc they are really good musicians, but they're songs are so technical there is a lack of feeling. its kinda like john petrucci meets an erector set.
they are something like Dream Theater meets Battles.some overtechnical instrumentals generaly annoys me, but they really are an exception, IMO. as the guy said, there's some very good ideas and feelings behind the technical arrangement, is something like cubism, indeed. great band.
Cool stuff. These guys know that not everybody is going to appreciate their music. I think it's great that they're playing what they want to play. It's just dissonant, nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't be in the mood to listen to it all the time but I think it's awesome.
wooow, i'm not trying to be one of those guys, but this is fucking awful. My friend told me to listen to it....sooo im not "wasting my time" watching this video. these guys need a new hobby.. digging the 12 string bass though!
...I can now see how I was at fault for cheating on that 500 meter race back in school where I jammed a stick between the legs of Jeramie Wilthorbanks causing him to not only loose the race but to also hold the distinction of the only high school athelete to fall so sloppishly they administered a piss test immedietely after his horrifying tumble.
They found traces of sand in his wound and said he stole sand from the floor of the sea
@xPurpleDrinkx9001 Yes, I injested a purple drink that causes spells, falls, uproarious laughter and cravings for salt based items and animal crackers...in addition to that I have issues with attempting to control the external shape of my spitting cobra (aka as MyCock) as it slithers around the barn looking for field mice named "Big Edna with the sloppy cunt"
Big Edna can also be seen in the 1989 classic movie UHF
Music in this case is like school subjects. Its pretty obvious most people hate math but very few will still enjoy it just like this band. Well I still hate math but I started to like this band anyways.
@timkick2 Okay dude. The music is slightly innovative, woopity shit. Nirvana was innovative too, the Beatles were innovate, many bands from before were innovative. Were they ahead of their time? No. Get over your Avant Garde nonsense. And dude, they aren't ahead of their time, Mr. Bungle was doing shit like this in the 90's.
@timkick2 "This is way too ahead of its time" basically equates to "this sounds too structurally different from what I'm used to hearing for me to appreciate at this point in time," correct? If so, then why not listen to their songs more than once so you can learn to appreciate it for what it is?
That's where you're very very very VERY wrong. I love this music. I was telling the truth when I said it's too ahead of it's time. But anyway, way to go....dipshit.
@timkick2 If you, I, and thousands of other people can appreciate it, how are they ahead of their time? And why the hostility? All I did was present a question and give a preemptive answer ("If so...").
Jesus christ I swear to fucking god you make me want to stop commenting on youtube videos. I'll break it down so you can understand. Ahead of their time doesn't always have negative connotations so get that assumption out of your mind. That being said, this band is no doubt progressive. Aren't ALL prog bands ahead of their time in some manner? That's the basis of being progressive...to be groundbreaking. As for the hostility, it's warranted. You wanted to start an argument with me
@JaketheSnakeESP I didn't mean conventional in the way of becoming 'mainstream' but something that more people can enjoy listening to, something a little more simplistic and structured? But that's my taste so I'll stop.
@Thrashvel I knew what you meant, it's just that there aren't many mainstream bands that even try to be different, or try to sound in any way unconventional.
Ok I thought we were just getting along until you said priest and dio bore you to death. Now I understand why you like this band because you don't like real metal
@stripgaga what people like you dont understand is that a lot of the musicians you respect listen to avant garde bands like BTA because its musicians music. you cant expect people to keep making corny hair metal about demons and unicorns for the rest of eternity. music evolves and as people age they have trouble keeping up with it so they naturally call it crap and talk about how good everything was back in the day.
@stripgaga The reason why Judas Priest and Dio are boring as FUCK, is because, they don't appeal to complex brains. The reason why the human brain likes music is because music activates the same parts of the brain and causes the same neurochemical cocktail as a lot of other pleasurable activities like orgasms or eating chocolate. Certain brains like things that are more complex, like say, you don't like math, but some people do, it's because their brain enjoys the complexity, yours doesn't.
@DisfiguringReality lest you forget, there wouldn't be this band without priest or dio so understand that. no matter what kind of music these guys play, it's all rock. arctopus' influences are obviously metal. any BAND or musician for that matter who is into metal or rock is influenced from older bands, like 80s bands priest or black sabbath. and they coined the term "metal" but before them there was little richard, chuck berry and the beatles, and they were their influences. it's fact.
@DisfiguringReality readanyinterview about any rock musician now their influences will go to the 90s 80s, 70s, and those musicians will go back to the 40s and 50s. so despite if you think this music is so amazing and hardcore, what you're hearing is music influenced by little richard and etc. and i do like other bands in this style. i like human abstract, after the burial, animals as leaders, i just don't like these guys so it doesn't matter if i have a "complex" brain or not. just not my flavor
@stripgaga I'd say these guys borrow more from modern classical serialist composers than from dio or priest. Just because they use highly distorted guitars doesn't mean they're necessarily a metal band. There's a huge gap between BTA and everything else when analyzed in respect to metal; there's really nothing quite like them.
I agree with you on the "complex brain" thing being semi-bullshit though. Anyone can like any music, they just have to build a bridge to that music.
@WizMystery yes thanks, i'm glad someone else understands that you don't need a complex to understand this. and yeah i guess they're not metal. they're not anything really. i mean you could only classify this as avant garde jazz metal fusion or something stupid like that. i said they're metal because that's what they're usually associated with. everyone i know knows this band because they listen to metal.
@stripgaga Well that's true for me, but classical seems to be in most fans' tastes as well. I didn't like these guys that much until I built up a liking for modern music which was due to exposure in my music theory class.
Adding to the complexity thing, I only half disagree. Technically, the most enjoyment can be found from listening to this band with a standpoint of analysis, IE "seeing what they did there." In order for that to happen you need the complexity that comes from a solid background in identifying relative/perfect pitch and a desire to build on the ideas you hear. You can still enjoy this band without it, but I at least know it's crucial to the enjoyment of my own.
@WizMystery well if you put it that way, yes you are right. If you understand the technical aspect of music and strong structure then yeah I'm sure you'll appreciate the technicality of it, but that can be said about anything. For example, I love the wayne's world movies because I understand all the movies they make fun of and it makes the movie that much more funny for me. But my younger 13 year old cousins probably won't get all their jokes and think it's just a regularly funny movie
@WizMystery So I can understand why people like this. Because it's so technical, whatever. Arguing with people who jerk off to shit like this is like talking to a wall. These bands' fans think this is the greatest music ever and think the beatles suck so that's why I don't like bands like this. The music is a big part of it, but who they are and their fans deters me from listening to it. Bring me the horizon is a shit band to me and their hipster fans make it even more worse for me
Great technical band!
Docstrangeone 3 weeks ago
A breath of fresh air in an interweb lousy with ukulele strumming girls singing L.O.V.E.
doisdjoai 3 weeks ago
it's a real strange music but no way they suck, they are great musicians and who says "it just sucks" "they're pathetic" no they aren't and you can't understand good music or talent
DeadHermes 3 weeks ago
Love the comments! This is Charlie Z, the drummer in this video & have since left the band. I've played with Arctopus, Jordan Rudess from Dream Theater, Blotted Science, Joe Lynn Turner among many others. This is way early on in learning the tune so it's nowhere near as tight as it got later on but it's a tune I wrote for the band in their style that is difficult for difficult's sake. Check my SoundCloud for a better studio version of it. But yeah, it's supposed to be over the top & crazy!
drumdocz 1 month ago
these guys remind me of a much weaker blotted science. maybe it has something to do with the bass, but in any case they'd probably sound better if not only they played tighter, but also had a much better foundation. but thats just my opinion and i bet these guys are still much better musicians so if anyone else has any insight into why these guys sound kinda shitty please let me know.
boobengarden666 1 month ago
@boobengarden666 I love both of them. I guess Behold just don't care. They don't want their music to sound good. It's just a great crawling and shapeless chaos. That's why I love it. I'd say this is truly Avant-Garde Metal, experimental, while Blotted is more melodic, Technical Death Metal I'd say.
MatheusManentee 3 weeks ago
psychomotor fuckers
MRkofteburger 1 month ago
Okay boys, that was nice. Now lets hear a waltz.
goldgretch 1 month ago
As much as i want to appreciate innovative musicians with ground breaking ideas, i would have to be lying to myself if i thought this sounded pleasant or enjoyable. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder but all this music speaks to me is that these musicians want to be different so badly theyll throw most elements of music out the window to demonstrate they can be.
landar73 1 month ago
That drummer must have some freakish memory to be able to hit all these seemingly unrepeatting patterns of notes so well
ZatchShowbiz 1 month ago
MIO [Metal In Opposition] (?)
berserk2012xxx 1 month ago
7:26-7:32 best part!!
DimiCOB 1 month ago 2
I may not like their music (if that is enough to be qualified as a plebeian whore, I will gladly show my bare legs to all the highbrow patricians roaming the via youtubia), but I have to admit one thing:
The band's name might just be the best one I've encountered so far!
Staunomat 1 month ago
if they would something else than the fucking chromatic scale it could sound good
LarcherESP 2 months ago
what do you guys expect from an instrumental band?
mywood56 2 months ago
Haha this is just ridiculous. It's like a joke.
pencert 2 months ago
puta que es la raja!!!xD
TheLordmarckus 2 months ago
I think I will stick with listening to Britney Spears and jamming dildos up my ass at the same time. Behold... the Arctopus sucks in the same way Primus sucks.
MrRobsworld6 2 months ago
@MrRobsworld6 FUCK YOU. les claypool is the shit.
liljoe4195 2 months ago
'@liljoe4195 If you were a real fan of Primus, you would understand that "Primus sucks!" Is their moddo. Thus I was complementing both bands.
MrRobsworld6 2 months ago
@liljoe4195 "Boo hoo hoo! Here I go again! How DARE HE say something about Les Claypool! How dare he!!!"
LedWilde 2 months ago
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AKWhaler 2 months ago
glad to see at least 127 people have a decent taste in music
PrimericanIdol 3 months ago
@PrimericanIdol
128 now :)
IIVikingII 2 months ago
@PrimericanIdol i guess you think lady gaga is music...
NecrophagistArsis 2 months ago
I like the music. I'm glad to be able to see this song performed (its one of my favorites of theirs) - also check out Blotted Science. And if you hate this music... oh well, too bad.
skoragzi 3 months ago
Theyre still better then Psyopus.
italia10588 3 months ago
wow so many people dont like music thats not in a genre they know. Ehww i don't understand this rythm i don't like it.. 99% of the 'progressive rock/metal" that is played nowadays is not progressive anymore for like 20 years. Dream Theater? Not a bad band but i've heard all they're 'progressiveness' before or from another band or their own songs. If you like don; t like music with actual surprises, then dont listen to it. And don't complain.
tresojos 3 months ago
I'm here because I like them! People who don't should gtfo.
sideshowos 3 months ago
"Hey let's form a band, hit random notes in random rhythmic patterns, and call it music!"
"Fine with me."
And thus, Behold... the Arctopus was born.
remnant24 3 months ago
Utterly devastating
richm31415 3 months ago
@timkick2 primus sucks compared to these guys. See what i did there?...
hppavilion1234 3 months ago 2
I'M AN AMERICAN AND I HAVE AN OPINION AND THAT MEANS IT'S AN IMPORTANT FACT.
ggalexhutchings 3 months ago
coming from a musicians opinion, this is the most fun style to play. its more about them than an audience. if they wanted to become chart toppers, im sure they have the capacity. ive always loved this band.. they are just too complex for most people and probably require a certain level of adhd to listen to.
in my opinion;this is pretty genius.
DjentBoofer 3 months ago
this so bad so bad ...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rolimpa 4 months ago
notes*
CakedandBaked247 4 months ago
What the fuck is this shit? there is no doubt that they are good musicians but as a band it sounds like some dude is having a seisure and slamming into a bunch of musical instruments. it sounds like 30 different riffs all put together to make a "song". oh i forgot the part where they just randomly stop to make it sound even more ridiculous. How is this progressive? anyone can go on a guitar and play random ass notice and stop when they feel like it and call it a complex time signature. TRASH
CakedandBaked247 4 months ago
@CakedandBaked247
Keep on hating, man.
Cannibalblast 4 months ago
@Cannibalblast give me reason not to hate, man.
CakedandBaked247 4 months ago
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@CakedandBaked247
No, I will not. You keep on hating, man.
Cannibalblast 4 months ago
@CakedandBaked247 its called prog metal man. it can consist of pretty much anything. that is why there are some wacky prog metal bands out there, because progressive music lets you do whatever you want pretty much. and i think if you listened to this without the drums i could agree with you about anyone being able to just pick up a guitar and play randomness. but i think progressive music is nothing without the drums, it differentiates everything. it is crap music, but you have to respect them.
MrGraton1 4 months ago
@CakedandBaked247 what i dont get is how idiots call this "random trash" when it is clearly played on stage perfect and can be replayed whenever they please, these musicians are impressive beyond belief and if you dont understand this it is your own fault, too fucking good tbh 10/10.
IAMinDreams 3 months ago
@IAMinDreams Who the fuck are you to insult my intelligence when you don't even know me. I never once said "random trash" so now you are putting words in my mouth and i've already said TWICE that they were good musicians, but the songs themselves are stupid. Maybe you should learn to read before you start insulting people. Who gives a shit if they can replay it? You can replay bad songs too, and yea im totally just not understanding it and this is actually good music, LOL try again asshole
CakedandBaked247 3 months ago
@CakedandBaked247 well...you can replay a bad song...but if it was randomly made up then they couldnt, also how are theyre songs stupid? i dont get your logic?
IAMinDreams 3 months ago
@IAMinDreams i guess you're too feeble minded to comprehend that people can copy rhythms that were at one point random. (or just horrible, hence these guys) I thought i made it clear why i thought the songs were stupid and if you really can't understand my logic you should probably get to studying instead of melting your brain with this garbage.
CakedandBaked247 3 months ago
@CakedandBaked247 k kid go listen to your 2 riff easy gay punk rock songs...leave real metal to us...gtfo
IAMinDreams 3 months ago
@IAMinDreams ohhh did i hit a nerve? Now you have made homophobic slurs, insulted an entire genre of music, and stereotyped my musical preferences. You just lack in intelligence don't you? If you want some "real metal" listen to some Mastodon and not this sad excuse.
CakedandBaked247 3 months ago
@CakedandBaked247 mastodon is also a good band, your probably have good musical taste thats the sad thing, also about the stuffing 30 riffs into one song thing...you basicly hate on this for being too complex...it has alot of flavoring within it and it connects musically although it may seem choppy at times for those who cant understand it...this band has too much to offer to metal, that being said..done fighting with you over youtube. bye
IAMinDreams 3 months ago
your arguments are so lacking in any kind of support. its not worth it anymore. complexity doesnt mean having a bunch of different shit one after another. it means there are interwoven parts that make the piece intricate. this is not evident in any part of this song. end of story. bye
CakedandBaked247 3 months ago
@CakedandBaked247 thats just it...it is interwoven and is very intricate and you cant see that...therefore your "lack of understanding" your missing out dude lmao
IAMinDreams 3 months ago
@IAMinDreams hahahaha OH MY GOD you're right what was i thinking!.....the funniest thing is this is one of their better songs. that's so pathetic
CakedandBaked247 3 months ago
This isn't metal. This is Extreme Jazz. /W\
geragna 5 months ago
Shit these guys don't have an official music video or a DVD... I WANT TO SEE THEM PERFORM LIVE MAN!
rutwicksees 5 months ago
This isnt really a band to listen to, you get into it sure, but its really to just respect the musicianship. I know where you are all coming from, but this is their thing. You dont HAVE to listen to it.
TheBassBender 5 months ago
How big are their crowds? I wanna go to see these beasts.
TheBassBender 5 months ago
lol i actually like it
DRoll463 6 months ago
Hey I like Face to Face too.
divehater 7 months ago
It's like 20 songs in one. All in different tempo, notation and key.
Andy97009814 7 months ago
they wrote and conceived of all of these riffs and rhythms and harmonies. my brain is full of fuck.
lulzlover 7 months ago
seriously, stop whining about talent. everyone's taste is different, and you can't justify a band being "good or bad" based on fucking youtube comments.
saiytan2012 7 months ago
@saiytan2012 With this band you can say this because it's horribly out of tune
TheWallGuitar 5 months ago
I used to hate this. Then I started really focusing on theory and timing... and I still don't like it. But now I *appreciate* it
tyblair18 8 months ago
And bollocks they're ahead of their time - they're just jumping off from people like Dillinger Escape plan and all those nutty mathcore bands that play in 23/13 time signatures. They're very much of their time.
Chronosaur 8 months ago
autentic
theassistant1000 8 months ago
ñ_ñ!!!
theassistant1000 8 months ago
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theassistant1000 8 months ago
I like this band.. not necessarily this song.. they have some good ones I would say..
cazopy 8 months ago
this is not progressive and it's not way too ahead of its time this is shit The guitarist sucks everything he plays sounds sloppy they cannot write shit so they say "let's sound extremely progressive because we cannot write shit".They just play random notes trying to sound ''hyperprogressive''.All their "riffs" and their "melodies" sound teriblle, this is by far the worst and most rediculous band in existence...
DimiCOB 8 months ago 8
@DimiCOB "by far the worst and most ridiculous band in existence"???? Why do you have to be so mean? I bet you and I can find way worst bands in the 1000's. Hah. To each his own I guess.
WordsThroughTheSky 8 months ago
@DimiCOB Or the time signatures and melodies are too complex for the average human ear to comprehend. Shut the fuck up you plebeian whore.
8xXOctavariumXx8 8 months ago
@8xXOctavariumXx8 Big words from someone who is worse than some1 who plays 2 months guitar... You have no idea about guitar playing u cannot even play the basics, u cannot make a simple bend, or do some basic tapping,play a riif correctly or follow a 4/4 rythm.Your improvising is childish and everything u play sounds sloppy as hell and u think you are over the average and u can judge me?Btw i don't see any complex melodies here...but for someone at your level even a powerchord sounds extreme...
DimiCOB 8 months ago 12
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8xXOctavariumXx8 8 months ago
@DimiCOB Yes Im aware of my shitty video. I play drums predominantly and I'm sure I could keep up with your "THRASHY AS HEEELLLLLL" shit you put up. But it isn't my style. And don't bother telling me about my band shit I have up. It's just dicking around, not meant to be serious. Neither was that crap video you watched.
8xXOctavariumXx8 8 months ago
@DimiCOB clearly you are not musican, any real musician would see the complex melodies here, go hearing metallica or other gay bands who play mainstream pathetic shit and get the fuck out of here, if you don't like it then what are you doing here???
for me that's trolling
NecrophagistArsis 2 months ago
@NecrophagistArsis Here are some bands and guitarists i like musician: Symphony x, Dream Theater, Children of Bodom, Wintersun, Marco Sfogli, Danielle Gottardo, Jeff Loomis, Nevermore,Yngwie J. Malmsteen, Paul Gilbert,Jason Becker and i like also Bach,Pagannini's pieces.I used to hear to Metallica 6 years ago music genius...But you defenitely don't know these bands/guitarists because they are not so superprogressive as "behold the noise"
DimiCOB 1 month ago
@DimiCOB i know and love those musicians they are great on their playing but that doesn't mean the Behold The Arctopus is noise i mean just because you can play progressive an complex music in a "more normal" structure, it doesn't mean that if you play it with estrange armories and tempos it won't be music just because it is different to what we normally are used to listen it doesn't mean it is not music, people used to tell these kinds of thing to Beethoven because he innovated the music
NecrophagistArsis 1 month ago
@NecrophagistArsis EXACTLY. stop expecting the predictable, broooo.
drumurdroid 1 month ago
@drumurdroid that's it
NecrophagistArsis 1 month ago
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subwaymeltorgasm 1 month ago
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drumurdroid 1 month ago
@DimiCOB
You're retarded. Just because you don't appreciate is doesn't mean SHIT. I heard your GENERIC fuckin playing and there's not even a hint of originality. Talk about not being able to write SHIT- Your little solo was generic as can be. Don't act like you're some rock god just cuz you have a little technique. By the way YOUR TONE SOUNDS LIKE A MONKEY RAPING A BANJO.
afuzzypenguin 1 month ago
@afuzzypenguin
By the way, by your retarded comments you have revealed that your understanding of composition is minimal (as your little up-one-scale-down-the-other diddy well proved) so if you don't like BtA how about you SHUT THE FUCK UP AND MOVE THE FUCK ON and leave the comments to PEOPLE WHO KNOW SHIT.
afuzzypenguin 1 month ago
WHAT IN GODS NAME IS THIS!!! And no this is not real music its like random notes put together with some weird ass scales. Also, the songs dont even have rythm, theres no central song just a bunch of notesthrown together...
BenitutuORstfu 8 months ago
@BenitutuORstfu Except that music is notes in scales, so durr durr. This is just as much music as anything else. It's definitely a polarizing taste, but don't hate it if you don't have the taste for it.
Imptheshrimp 8 months ago
@Imptheshrimp ok no music is not notes in scales, that is sound or even if it is music its bad music; good music is notes put together creatively and that musically fits.
BenitutuORstfu 8 months ago
@BenitutuORstfu Except that opinion is subjective. Yes, arranged music is sound but no, it is not up to only you to decide if it's good or not. Like I said, it's about taste. Also, these notes are definitely 'put together creatively', what you think they're just fucking around making noises? It fits great musically, just because it's not conventionally arrange doesn't mean it's not arranged at all or is not 'musically fitting'.
Imptheshrimp 8 months ago
Very creative. This is what's missing in what seems to be a diminishing art. I hope people can appreciate this and not blow it off as being too "ahead of their time" - which they are only because most people are behind their ability to comprehend such awesome creativity. There are some of us, as shown in this blog, that are up with the times. But I think most of the ignorance comes from the ones who choose what we all should listen to - i.e. the music industry. Kind of an oxymoron.
jmansourdumas 9 months ago
Good music.
dusthillguy 9 months ago
Man, people hate on these guys so hard haha! I guess real musicianship is intimidating.
suicidalfailuretx 9 months ago
I love BTA but are they still around? Charlie Z. left in 2008, and after reporting that they replaced him in 2009 the BTA website hasn't been updated since...no gigs, no recordings, nothing. ???
chazpres514 10 months ago
@chazpres514 I think they're pretty much gone. Colin has a million other projects and a recording studio to deal with, so I assume they are no more. I could be wrong.
WizMystery 10 months ago
Arguing on YouTube? WHAT? Naw, but really... Either you enjoy listening to them or you don't. I do. But I can totally see why some wouldn't. It has nothing to do with "complex brains" or anything intellectual. It's a matter of taste, period. These dude are talented, it's plain to see. But I can understand how some might feel like this is a waste of talent. BTW Those who feel like their taste in music is a mark of their intelligence have some growing up to do. :)
Pollocasabrava 10 months ago 21
@Pollocasabrava Wanted to say something but you pretty much summed up my feelings. I had a friend tell me that he wasn't "smart" enough for the kind of music I listened to and I said "intelligence has nothing to do with it." I'm not smart for liking this band or weird complex music: it's just what I like.
sonicdeath10 10 months ago
@Pollocasabrava Yeah, I never understood it when people said music was "intellectually stimulating". How? I guess if you're a professional musician you can look at it from a craftsman's point of view and puzzle over how it was put together, but otherwise? I mean what ideas does it plant in your head? What does it make you think about? How does it modify your world view? I don't understand!
Chronosaur 8 months ago
@Pollocasabrava word
EuphoniousCrunk 6 months ago
Oh shit son! Look at that white man on that crazy bass! Its like he goes BUMP< BUMP BUUUUUUMMMP, BUMP. BA DE BAP................BAAAAAA!!!!
astheboxmanrides 11 months ago
clearly insane amounts of time and talent went into creating this, but I enjoy this very much.
powaowa 11 months ago
This is way to prog!!! And weird.... they just mix crazy melodies one with another...and it all seems like they don't know what are they doing :D
IvanMyRooM 11 months ago
priest and dio are pioneers for metal. i personally dont like their music, but i can respect what they have done for metal. its all about personal taste. like this band, i personally love them. you are ignorant if you say this isnt metal or this is not talented or just noise. this is the most artsy form of metal there is. do you consider picasso art? cuz i do, and this is the picasso of metal. extremely talented not only instrumentally, but compositionally. try writing this then play it live.
Corpsmashdface 11 months ago
virtuoso bullshit
CR2012 11 months ago
Now that they don't have a website (only a MySpace) where can I find their sheet music? Can anyone help me out with this? Thanks.
MineSweepingKent 11 months ago
if the lead was clean guitar i think it would sound better
WazzooSam 11 months ago
please!!! for god's sakes do not bash PRIEST or DIO. obviously you're too young to understand how important these artists were and are to todays heavy music generation.
diabloangel6 11 months ago
its like an organized mess.
oneandonlyful 11 months ago
@AonaranMan not if you're high......
or can just genuinely appreciate the technicality of the music.
xJuggaloEx 11 months ago
Amazing musicians, and awesome technique, but man.. they jack off a lot.
GoatseFarm 11 months ago
ty Skins
miltanos 11 months ago
this is like 'om' by coltrane or some far out 'sun ra' but it's made accessible by the extreme virtuosity of the musicians. I think these guys are 'showing off' and that we can really find their voices in the midst of that torrent. It's like as if King Crimson did death metal
yokohama1949 1 year ago
priest and dio suck! its not metal its HAIR metal, which is different and much much gayer....
onemorethomas 1 year ago
priest and dio suck! its not metal its HAIR metal, which is different and much much gayer....
onemorethomas 1 year ago
@onemorethomas that's just like, your opinion man.
metalfreakout6903 11 months ago
Somehow this reminds me of Fantomas. Nice. Probably I could only listen to it for a few minutes at a time, but woah, that's just too many ideas squeezed into one song.
kadvid 1 year ago
@kadvid Ok, now it reminds me of Klingon operas...
kadvid 1 year ago
I think not acknowledging this as music is a huge compliment...Just imagine what they'd create if they tried.
ChrisMontante 1 year ago
anybody that thinks this song doesn't have any redeeming qualities, skip to 3:30.
iammejez 1 year ago
You know, there is such a thing as being too abstract. Just because it sounds wierd and doesnt follow a standard structure (or any structure) doesnt mean it has meaning and doesnt mean it isnt mindless wankage. Its so misguided that if Van Halen did this it would be considered art. But its not, its shovelwhere of odd time signatures and wacky chromatic riffs. You cant just throw random theory and scales together, think of a name that sounds cool and call it music. I say this again; Misguided!!!
xPurpleDrinkx9001 1 year ago
reminds me of exivious
PolyrhytmicBrainfck 1 year ago
I get what there doing, and I appreciate there technical prowess. But what happened to tone? Shawn Lane used to teach at my school and I can tell you he could play ANYTHING these guys would try easily but would never sacrifice tone for technique sake. They make be talented but the only one that sounds good is the drummer.
Gtrmaestro 1 year ago
i give these guys a ton of credit bc they are really good musicians, but they're songs are so technical there is a lack of feeling. its kinda like john petrucci meets an erector set.
ontherocks241 1 year ago
@ontherocks241 listen to Nano Nucleic Cyborg Summoning, then tell me they lack feeling.
Mastafly7 1 year ago
awesome !
anagreen3 1 year ago
they are something like Dream Theater meets Battles.some overtechnical instrumentals generaly annoys me, but they really are an exception, IMO. as the guy said, there's some very good ideas and feelings behind the technical arrangement, is something like cubism, indeed. great band.
viniciusb1 1 year ago
Cool stuff. These guys know that not everybody is going to appreciate their music. I think it's great that they're playing what they want to play. It's just dissonant, nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't be in the mood to listen to it all the time but I think it's awesome.
DoomsdayJebus 1 year ago
wooow, i'm not trying to be one of those guys, but this is fucking awful. My friend told me to listen to it....sooo im not "wasting my time" watching this video. these guys need a new hobby.. digging the 12 string bass though!
habsguy26 1 year ago
Great job! Your playing evokes memories
...I can now see how I was at fault for cheating on that 500 meter race back in school where I jammed a stick between the legs of Jeramie Wilthorbanks causing him to not only loose the race but to also hold the distinction of the only high school athelete to fall so sloppishly they administered a piss test immedietely after his horrifying tumble.
They found traces of sand in his wound and said he stole sand from the floor of the sea
MightySaturn5 1 year ago
@MightySaturn5 wtf is wrong with u?
xPurpleDrinkx9001 1 year ago
@xPurpleDrinkx9001 Yes, I injested a purple drink that causes spells, falls, uproarious laughter and cravings for salt based items and animal crackers...in addition to that I have issues with attempting to control the external shape of my spitting cobra (aka as MyCock) as it slithers around the barn looking for field mice named "Big Edna with the sloppy cunt"
Big Edna can also be seen in the 1989 classic movie UHF
MightySaturn5 1 year ago
now if rock generally has any future, this is probably a glimpse of it.
nndlchModi 1 year ago
this is perhaps the worst thing my ears have ever heard. EVER!!!!!!
MrKingvanilla83 1 year ago
wow; 4:40
SSSPPPPAAAACCCEEEE...NICE!
I actually kinda like this
treetophigh 1 year ago
this is prog not metal...
treetophigh 1 year ago
Reminds me of John Zorn?
theotherjc 1 year ago
@theotherjc they are in the same league.
nndlchModi 1 year ago
I sense Zappa in this.
etlune 1 year ago
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Thrashvel 1 year ago
+ 10000000000000000 since it`s math. Most beautiful music i`ve heard in a while.
daturablackout 1 year ago
Music in this case is like school subjects. Its pretty obvious most people hate math but very few will still enjoy it just like this band. Well I still hate math but I started to like this band anyways.
Haloman777 1 year ago
experimental doesnt mean it has to be awful u_u
lalosilence 1 year ago
These guys remind me of a 21st century Primus, and thats a good thing!!!
ConanTroutmann 1 year ago
@ConanTroutmann
more like a 22nd century primus. this is way too ahead of its time
timkick2 1 year ago 19
@timkick2 Okay dude. The music is slightly innovative, woopity shit. Nirvana was innovative too, the Beatles were innovate, many bands from before were innovative. Were they ahead of their time? No. Get over your Avant Garde nonsense. And dude, they aren't ahead of their time, Mr. Bungle was doing shit like this in the 90's.
LobotomizedZombie 11 months ago
@LobotomizedZombie
it's so good to hear from you. i honestly couldn't wait to read your comment.
timkick2 11 months ago
@timkick2 You ain't shit.
LobotomizedZombie 11 months ago
@LobotomizedZombie
thanks for your honesty. you're right. i prefer to think of myself as a human and not shit
timkick2 10 months ago
@timkick2 ikr
LobotomizedZombie 10 months ago
@timkick2 "This is way too ahead of its time" basically equates to "this sounds too structurally different from what I'm used to hearing for me to appreciate at this point in time," correct? If so, then why not listen to their songs more than once so you can learn to appreciate it for what it is?
battousai555 9 months ago
@battousai555
That's where you're very very very VERY wrong. I love this music. I was telling the truth when I said it's too ahead of it's time. But anyway, way to go....dipshit.
timkick2 9 months ago
@timkick2 If you, I, and thousands of other people can appreciate it, how are they ahead of their time? And why the hostility? All I did was present a question and give a preemptive answer ("If so...").
battousai555 9 months ago
@battousai555
Jesus christ I swear to fucking god you make me want to stop commenting on youtube videos. I'll break it down so you can understand. Ahead of their time doesn't always have negative connotations so get that assumption out of your mind. That being said, this band is no doubt progressive. Aren't ALL prog bands ahead of their time in some manner? That's the basis of being progressive...to be groundbreaking. As for the hostility, it's warranted. You wanted to start an argument with me
timkick2 9 months ago
@timkick2 No, exigent transuberance.
RickSlauson 9 months ago
Way too experimental for my taste. It's just too much imo
Thrashvel 1 year ago
@Thrashvel they experiment too much? I don't think that's the word you're looking for, lol.
JaketheSnakeESP 1 year ago
@JaketheSnakeESP Well it gets to the point where bands have to stick to something a little more "conventional" to be effective.
Thrashvel 1 year ago
@Thrashvel That's true, mainstream music is beyond generic =/
JaketheSnakeESP 1 year ago
@JaketheSnakeESP I didn't mean conventional in the way of becoming 'mainstream' but something that more people can enjoy listening to, something a little more simplistic and structured? But that's my taste so I'll stop.
Thrashvel 1 year ago
@Thrashvel I knew what you meant, it's just that there aren't many mainstream bands that even try to be different, or try to sound in any way unconventional.
it's kinda depressing.
JaketheSnakeESP 1 year ago
This is like mixing Michael Angelo Batio with coldplay and Eminem. A pile of shit.
werbnnerf 1 year ago
this is called jazz metal for those of u that didn't know .)
CommentChat 1 year ago
This is the music of the Universe!!!! I love it !!!!!
KILLOTHECLERK 1 year ago
the derek bailey of metal
JackGtarHappyHOurSho 1 year ago
They ain't Rush!!!
Zakariah1971 1 year ago
Obviously they can play very well. Obviously they can't write a tradtional style song. Really very impressive for a three piece though.
malcolmX213 1 year ago
@malcolmX213 they can, and they have done. they're just not interested in making traditional style songs
moralreef 1 year ago
wow technical stuff , intelligent dudes, i cant wait until they start playing music.
napalmdeath23 1 year ago
Ok I thought we were just getting along until you said priest and dio bore you to death. Now I understand why you like this band because you don't like real metal
stripgaga 1 year ago 7
@stripgaga what people like you dont understand is that a lot of the musicians you respect listen to avant garde bands like BTA because its musicians music. you cant expect people to keep making corny hair metal about demons and unicorns for the rest of eternity. music evolves and as people age they have trouble keeping up with it so they naturally call it crap and talk about how good everything was back in the day.
DaPartnerinDaCrime 1 year ago
@DaPartnerinDaCrime but this really is crap
xPurpleDrinkx9001 1 year ago
@stripgaga The reason why Judas Priest and Dio are boring as FUCK, is because, they don't appeal to complex brains. The reason why the human brain likes music is because music activates the same parts of the brain and causes the same neurochemical cocktail as a lot of other pleasurable activities like orgasms or eating chocolate. Certain brains like things that are more complex, like say, you don't like math, but some people do, it's because their brain enjoys the complexity, yours doesn't.
DisfiguringReality 11 months ago
@DisfiguringReality lest you forget, there wouldn't be this band without priest or dio so understand that. no matter what kind of music these guys play, it's all rock. arctopus' influences are obviously metal. any BAND or musician for that matter who is into metal or rock is influenced from older bands, like 80s bands priest or black sabbath. and they coined the term "metal" but before them there was little richard, chuck berry and the beatles, and they were their influences. it's fact.
stripgaga 11 months ago
@DisfiguringReality readanyinterview about any rock musician now their influences will go to the 90s 80s, 70s, and those musicians will go back to the 40s and 50s. so despite if you think this music is so amazing and hardcore, what you're hearing is music influenced by little richard and etc. and i do like other bands in this style. i like human abstract, after the burial, animals as leaders, i just don't like these guys so it doesn't matter if i have a "complex" brain or not. just not my flavor
stripgaga 11 months ago
@stripgaga I'd say these guys borrow more from modern classical serialist composers than from dio or priest. Just because they use highly distorted guitars doesn't mean they're necessarily a metal band. There's a huge gap between BTA and everything else when analyzed in respect to metal; there's really nothing quite like them.
I agree with you on the "complex brain" thing being semi-bullshit though. Anyone can like any music, they just have to build a bridge to that music.
WizMystery 10 months ago
@WizMystery yes thanks, i'm glad someone else understands that you don't need a complex to understand this. and yeah i guess they're not metal. they're not anything really. i mean you could only classify this as avant garde jazz metal fusion or something stupid like that. i said they're metal because that's what they're usually associated with. everyone i know knows this band because they listen to metal.
stripgaga 10 months ago
@stripgaga Well that's true for me, but classical seems to be in most fans' tastes as well. I didn't like these guys that much until I built up a liking for modern music which was due to exposure in my music theory class.
WizMystery 10 months ago
@stripgaga But...
Adding to the complexity thing, I only half disagree. Technically, the most enjoyment can be found from listening to this band with a standpoint of analysis, IE "seeing what they did there." In order for that to happen you need the complexity that comes from a solid background in identifying relative/perfect pitch and a desire to build on the ideas you hear. You can still enjoy this band without it, but I at least know it's crucial to the enjoyment of my own.
WizMystery 10 months ago
@WizMystery well if you put it that way, yes you are right. If you understand the technical aspect of music and strong structure then yeah I'm sure you'll appreciate the technicality of it, but that can be said about anything. For example, I love the wayne's world movies because I understand all the movies they make fun of and it makes the movie that much more funny for me. But my younger 13 year old cousins probably won't get all their jokes and think it's just a regularly funny movie
stripgaga 10 months ago
@WizMystery So I can understand why people like this. Because it's so technical, whatever. Arguing with people who jerk off to shit like this is like talking to a wall. These bands' fans think this is the greatest music ever and think the beatles suck so that's why I don't like bands like this. The music is a big part of it, but who they are and their fans deters me from listening to it. Bring me the horizon is a shit band to me and their hipster fans make it even more worse for me
stripgaga 10 months ago