Chopin. Nocturne op.9 no.1. How NOT to play the intro

[Schubert958]

Lol - Osho reincarnated as a Chopinfetishist. Good job, man.

[SHINYamAHA21]

not that way like robot,

but roli, I just open 9-1 and see...there are staccatos, have you noticed?

you play second bar also with no staccatos at all.

I believe I have a good book...confused.

[rolipoli]

@SHINYamAHA21 good point, i noticed them too, im about to try.... :)

[SHINYamAHA21]

@rolipoli

Thanks sweet roli,

for me it's a hard piece to try.

once I start I will be a cave woman kkkkk unfortunatly time won't be enough thesesays. short hours sleep has been killing me :) I love this nocturne.

Uniquely, staccatos in rapid notes presented in this.

Every each piece has some special point, my reckon.

one day perhaps~ see yours soon.

[SHINYamAHA21]

Oh my God, Goodness, Gracious~

hmm hmm hmmm...

I didn't know I stepped in a Library.

[SHINYamAHA21]

1:20 to 2:07 is a remarkeble comments there.

and, "I am the unique right? I am the unque wrong?"

sensational!!

[Westonelm]

@ rolipoli

I think your wish for personal interpretation of Chopn's work is admirable and how to fight the mechanical resistance of the keyboard as you do so.........yet I do oppose your rejection of history itself (without evidence)...... and talented professional piano players who play "straight".

Unnecessary anger and insults against the latter seem petulant and cannot be digested easily by those who listen to you.

[rolipoli]

@Westonelm i reject everything occured more than hour ago... even my own toughts

[SHINYamAHA21]

@Westonelm

wow....what a harsh comment.

I thought this comments was for @clssk.

roli is doing this for the pianists...for u, what he says cannot be touched.

you both are writing to pinch(showoff) eachother.west+classk lol playground,uh?

[Classikev]

@SHINYamAHA21 ..I was not writing to show off in any way whatsoever.

I was just expressing my opinion about roli's comments in his video.

(vaidio). Nothing to do with showing off....nothing it all.

[Westonelm]

@SHINYamAHA21

Why should I be automatically hostile to Classikev"s thoughts here,with which I agree ? Balance is important and matters much more than past conflicts and we do have the absolute right to express our opinions.Forget the people behind the YT aliases and look carefully at the ideas. I think that rolipoli's alternatives are VERY INTERESTING yet to describe Rubinstein as "childish" and "fake" is simply appalling.

[Westonelm]

@SHINYamAHA21

Think of this as a calm, adult debate and please do not try to transform it into a playground.

[rolipoli]

@Westonelm of calm and adult debates piano world is full.... result? calm and adult playing... full with masks and pretentions with no sense... fake maturity only achievable by literature..... they are all still too naive like 5 years old kids, but with useless knoweledge and inflated egos...... a terribly poisonous combination.....

[Westonelm]

@rolipoli

My advice would be to forget the annoyance you have with past masters etc. and concentrate on the construction of your interpretations and demonstrate them. If you can jump over your anger and leave it behind you will do well. Personally I know an incredible professional pianist and she is absolutely adorable. Professionals are sensitive human beings (like you) and may sometimes appear arrogant; possibly to protect what they have struggled for so hard.

[rolipoli]

@Westonelm do you know that dialogue with mindless people is usually endless because of the continuous deviating to out of point conclusions from the simpleminded part result of their complete misunderstanding? westo, youre a complete loss and i know that ill can continue this conversa for years, just because you insist in make it trashy, reason by what ill stop right there... i feel becoming retarded dialoguing with you.... sayonara!

[Westonelm]

Suggestion ( Interpretation)-----

Horowitz plays Chopin Ballade 1

(available on YT put up by Sissco )

[rolipoli]

@Westonelm terrible

[Classikev]

>> might shun such playing liberties. Rubinstein for one, was an excellent pianist who had great expression but didn't always stray much from the "obvious" written note/s.(A traditionalist to some degree you might say) Vladimir Horowitz, on the other hand, was very often criticized for playing "too freely" yet he allowed himself to wander outside the traditionalist's musical fence. So, it is not that they are all children/immature/ignorant, but rather just different w/ individual points of view.

[Westonelm]

@Classikev

Well said !

[rolipoli]

@Classikev how interesting.... is just about rubinstein childish and fake expressed intro im talking about.... the worst one for me... im so truly unique..... :S

[Westonelm]

@rolipoli

I don't think "childish" and "fake" are the right words whatsoever concerning Rubinstein's utter respect for the way the piece was meant to be played..

Chopin did the "work" which opens up the possibility for others to massacre it easily in an attempt to merely inflate their own ego.

Perhaps inside you, rolipoli, there is an artist who would like to compose......but really creating is much harder isn't it (?)

[rolipoli]

@Westonelm i dont know how the piece is meant to be played, but i know when is played awfully..... and thats just a personal thing... but, for some reasons, im very confident with my personal thingies

[Classikev]

"pianists" "It".

One thing that must be remembered is that it is not always the case that professional pianists are ignorant regarding the free flowing emoitonal playing style that you mention here Roli. The case is sometimes just the musical point of view of each pianist regarding playing approach. Many professional pianists have great reverence for the composer and how each piece should be played. Therefore they are hesitant to stray much from the written page. They believe the composer >>

[rolipoli]

@Classikev is not about believing composer, is about believing yourself...

[Classikev]

Rolipoli, I enjoyed your gentle rant here. it is true that many pianist are "stiff" in their playing, however there are many pianists who play pieces with emotional freedom, though in your vid you said that you can't seem to find them. See(listen) as one example, to youtube user "pianist1221" playing Chopin's "Opus 9 No.2" where similarly to the section in "No.1" that you mention...you will find four notes in #2 between 1:04 to 1:09...where the emotion is played very freely with feeling.

[rolipoli]

@Classikev many ones? show me one at least, please..... send me the link

[Classikev]

@rolipoli, I did mention one. Youtube user "pianist1221".

See my previous post.

And in reply to your reply saying it is not about believing composer but believing yourself,well, I understand your meaning but again, it all depends upon one's point of view. There were composer's who surely would have not liked how you might play their piece/s so freely in (your way.."believing yourself") maybe Beethoven? maybe Bach? maybe Chopin! Who knows? So, many pianists consider that. It's all about POV.

[rolipoli]

@Classikev believing yourself dont means ignoring the composer....

[Classikev]

@roli...I tried to post here my reply to your comment earlier..but some problem. Maybe it is working now...?

[rolipoli]

@Classikev youtube is smart

[Classikev]

@rolipoli, Yes Roli, as you posted, you are unique, and that's great.

Many humans are...and it's a wonderful thing!

See Youtube video, "People Are Awesome" posted by

'Hadoukentheband'.

[rolipoli]

@Classikev being unique is not only being unique.. you must being unique in how you manage your uniquenness.. there is where almost 6 billion people with unique talents fails

[Classikev]

@rolipoli, I was not saying that those pianist (as yourself) who choose to play freely are 'ignoring' the composer. The point is that the composers are not here so pianists do not have their personal tuition/guidance that we could know the intricacies of their compositions. Sheet music, unfortunately cannot impart complete emotional references. What I was simply saying was just that many composers choose to be more conservative with their interpretations than some others.

[rolipoli]

@Classikev first, i dont have confidence in what's written about composers, second, im careless about... sorry :)

[SHINYamAHA21]

I definitly think this "How NOT to" is brilliant.

piano beginners must watch what roli says.

Emotion inserting to music is the goal.

However exaggerated dexterilty shouldn't be clever for player's sake for the improvement...it is hard to combine all good, that's why there are Masters.

Cheers roli~ u r doing great(with devil'ish eyes) ouias!!

[Westonelm]

I would say that those notes were meant to come forward as contrast. The timid approach, though, is an interesting variant.

Available on You Tube------

"Arthur Rubinstein - Chopin Nocturne No 1, Op 9 in B flat"

.....for me is a beautiful rendition of the opus.

(and I very much like the angle from which you have filmed yourself.)

[SHINYamAHA21]

lovit lovit lovit

This is the best true tutorial version, and it's scary....woohahaha

For still practicing piano players such as me, not so easy to merge in emotion with fingers thg.

lovit, it's sensational what rolipoli's "How NOT to" is telling the truth.

Plz be continued~