@N330AA The SNP were elected because of their good record and pledges which included a referendum at a specified time. Why should they forget about pre election pledges solely because your party the Conservatives don’t approve?
As for Trident, the Tories were not elected because of their stance on Trident. In fact most Brits oppose Trident. The Tories were elected because people were fed up of Labour. Even then, after 14 years they had to get on bed with people they call “a joke”.
@N330AA Refusing to answer simple questions,is not you winning a argument.And you have never managed that yet,with anybody in this room.And you never will as your simply full off smelly shit
@legandrydirk What has that got to do with anything? You need to understand he was CONVICTED thus, until that conviction is revoked which should be done via the court system and not by me, you or Nelson Mandela, he is considered guilty of killing 300 people and deserves no compassion.
@N330AA So you cant answer a simple question?He was only convicted down to evidence not being shown in court,that they would not let him use.Just fuck off if you have not got the decency about you to answer a straight question
vote independence and we can get rid of the nuclear submarine base of faslane home to the uk's nuclear arsenal..these toxic machines sit not 40 miles from the most densley populated region in scotland and the longer they stay so the cases of cancer will grow ..let them go to england and we'll see how patriotic the english are when faced with nuclear subs on their doorstep.. its scotlands future at stake here..vote yes for scotland
@MrDickWarrior wrong nuclear is always a bad idea.. pity the rest of the uk dont see it that way all because its conveniently tucked out the road in scotland ..well im voting in favour of getting rid of these things along with thousands of other scots and if we win we get the bonus of our own country ruled by our own people..a no brainer u might say
@MrScantregard I agree with you 100%. We should not have any nuclear bombs at all. Scotland has always been a convenient dumping ground or destination for the undesirable.
The funny thing is that most people in the UK don’t want nuclear either but still we have them.
Independence is needed to give Scotland control over what happens on our doorstep. It seems the only common sense way forward.
@MrScantregard "..these toxic machines sit not 40 miles from the most densley populated region in scotland and the longer they stay so the cases of cancer will grow"
Scaremongering bullshit. The nuke argument is probably the weakest arguments you nationalists have. The only thing that would happened if they moved the subs out of Faslane is jobs would be lost.
A Unionist lexicon: An A-Z of Unionist scare stories, myths and misinformation
This is an excellent mythbuster frae newsnet scotland. com. paste the following into google search A Unionist lexicon: An A-Z of Unionist scare stories, myths and misinformation newsnet scotland
NEWSNET SCOTLAND CUTS THROUGHT THE UNIONIST LIES
REMEMBER WHEN IT COMES TO DEMOCRACY "BRITANNIA WAIVES THE RULES"
Scotland is a beautiful country and the scotish people will do much better if they were not entangled with the british flawed parliamentary "democracy".
'The Celtic Fringe: Westminster Elections In Scotland And Wales, 1970-2010, A Complete Record' by Grant Toway is now available on Amazon. At first glance, this book may seem to be primarily a statistical guide to the 1,200+ constituency contests in Scotland and Wales covering the last four decades, but there are also brief comments which accompany each and every result. The author has also compiled a number of appendices as well as providing his own commentary on the unfolding events.
Being English with Scottish blood I think Scotland would be silly to break away from the United Kingdom, teamwork is whats needed at times like these, not segragation and division. We both have things to bring to the table, and we both stand to benefit from being in a union.
@MrDickWarrior You really are a sheep aren't you. Here are your words "I prefer not to watch or read thing with political bias." Why do you lap up AS's lies then?
@N330AA Alex Salmond is my country’s first minister and one of the most highly respected politicians in the world, hence the reason he has won awards such as politician of the year. Even his critics have the upmost respect for him.
You really don’t like the prospect of Scotland being better of do you? You really hate the thought.
Scotland would be the 6th richest nation in the OECD per head. Live with it.
@MrDickWarrior Losing out on 7.5 billion pounds a year is extremely relevant i'm afraid. That article shows that even if you don't consider that loss you're still a long long way off the 6th richest.
@N330AA We would definitely be the 6th richest in the OECD, the problem is that you don’t want that. You baulk at the prospect of a prosperous Scotland. It is your worst nightmare. How dare the Scots do well for themselves.
It funny whenever Alex mentions this nobody comes out with your bold statements. You must be more clued up than people like Paxman and others.
In any case I would rather be worse off than under Westminster control.
@N330AA Well, what article are you talking about? Is it in the Telegraph or Daily Mail by any chance? Was Alex Salmond there when it was said or written to defend himself? I doubt that.
In any case, I would prefer a 50% reduction in spending than Westminster control.
@N330AA Which article? I have said that several times because I dont know what article you are talking about. It seems im right because you wont answer. Torygraph or Daily mail right?
@MrDickWarrior Fuck off and just read it you nonce. Look at this page. The instructions for getting to that article are quite clear and are addressed to you. I can even see it as a write this post.
According to what you are referring to, the calculations made are based on government figures. The government are the Tories. I question them, especially after their way of the mark predictions for the economy.
In any case the article does say that Scotland would likely benefit from an economic windfall.
@N330AA I'm glad you support an article which indicates Scotland will benefit from an economic windfall as a result of independence. No doubt you will challenge this part with another article.
@MrDickWarrior Read the calculations, the SNP effectively state that only if they keep Barnett will they get that windfall. Something you yourself said would be irrelevant.
@N330AA JOSEPH STIGLITS has a NOBLE PRIZE IN ECONOMICS.And he has not said anything about the OECD report being bullshit.So I conclude that it is worthy,and Scotland can be the 6th richest nation
@N330AA You can E Mail him,he even is on YouTube.Pretty sure somebody would have.Pretty sure iff it was B.S he would have spoken about it.As he keeps a keen eye on what is happening in Scotland.
@legandrydirk So you basis is that, someone who you can't confirm has been asked about it hasn't said anything, thus it must be true even though basic maths says otherwise. Brilliant, just brilliant.
@N330AA He would know about it,off coarse he would.And the fact that he is not coming out and saying that the QECD report is B.S.Tells me all I need to know about it.He is smarter than any unionist.
@N330AA CHAGOS ISLANDERS,thought they were BRIOTS to.And were thrown off there island bye your lot.Just think the same could happen there to.Since its happened B4 and was demed perfectly acceptable
@legandrydirk How does the Changos effect the Falklands? The Changos were British territory and they asked to relocate. I said it was harsh but i fail to see the comparison to the Falklands.
@N330AA LOL aye OK they were asked.Sure they had the choise,and were not thrown off without a say.And back in reality off the sane,that was what exactly happened to those poor peaple,not acceptable
@N330AA The Policeman cant move me on from my home.What a awful analogy that was.They CHAGOS ISLANDERS were in there home,the island was there home.And BRITS had no respect for that at all did they?
@N330AA It ties in as an example of Westminster picking and choosing when to use democracy. Westminster has selective hearing, particularly when there is oil involved.
@N330AA Because Westminster pretends to be interested in what citizens of British ruled entities want. with regards to the Chagos they pretended they didnt exist to achieve their goal.
@MrDickWarrior They accept self-determination during changes of sovereignty. There are many cases of evictions in the UK. I agree it is sad what happened, but that is essentially what it is akin to.
@N330AA Its an example of Westminster looking after it own interests whilst ignoring what the people want. This reflects the Falklands however it is convenient to listen on this occassion.
@MrDickWarrior The self determination issue is just the tip of the iceberg for the falklands and designed to get the silly Argies to STFU. Nip the argument in the bud if you will.
@MrDickWarrior Personally i hope the islanders are allowed to go back to the outer islands in the region. I think the UK has a right to build a military base on its own territory though.
@N330AA Westminster didnt listen to the Chagos, they didnt listen to the Welsh village that was closed to supply water to Liverpool and they will likely ignore Scots who choose independence.
@MrDickWarrior And i thought the posts were too short for you to comment on the calculations that showed Salmond to be talking absolute balls about his 6th richest figure. Convenient how you've ignored that and are back to now mudslinging at Westminster about frivolous issues.
@N330AA Nobody can predict the future. The point is that Scotland will be better off, as the article you highlight indicates Scotland will have an economic windfall.
@MrDickWarrior Scotland would have an windfall if it kept the Barnett formula. That's what it indicates. We've been through this but you attempted to ignore that reality.
@N330AA The reality is on my part, whilst i think we would be better off it wouldnt bother me if we were worse off. Independence is about 100% control in Scotland for Scotland.
@N330AA You are full of hot air and nonsensical comparisons. I will stick with AS, one of the most respected politicians in Britain. Not an uninformed Conservative like yourself.
@MrDickWarrior And once again i am a Libetarian not a Conservative. How many fucking time does it take for a mong like you to absorb this. Trained monkey learn quicker.
@N330AA It happens to be true, you wont get a vote on the issue. It would seem you wouldnt vote even if you could which indicates your a hot air outlet, nothing more.
@MrDickWarrior I present facts not hot air. I've explained this to you already. And i definitely would vote for the union as i feel passionately about it.
@N330AA You cant vote for the union. You do not present facts, you present speculation. You present your version of events and your view on the issues. There are no facts about the future.
@N330AA Your input on Scottish independence is about Texas, Canada, Israel, the Faroe Islands, denmark, Barbados and Greenland. Hot air, very little facts.
@MrDickWarrior No, listen. I present facts from a neutral source. Not speculation. Not my own version of events. Facts. You are the one wrangling to deny them.
@N330AA Neutral, what a joke. You are as right wing as they come then present yourself as a libertarian. You would support anything under the union flag, you are blinded by your patriotism.
@N330AA I did bring it up, and I believe it. There is however every chance i will be wrong since its speculative. I also hope England will be better off.
@N330AA There is no man who can predict the future, not a Tory like yourself, a Liberal or someone from the SNP. But when it comes to probabilities, I prefer to listen to economists like AS.
@MrDickWarrior I am a Libertarian. I believe in the pragmatic minimisation of the state and the maximum level of personal freedom for all. It is different to Conservatism.
@MrDickWarrior But i'm not a Tory. I've never voted Tory and do not associate myself with them. You need to understand that Libertarianism is distinctly different.
@N330AA Warrier has more or less said it all regarding CHAVAS and FALKLAND islands.And the hypocritical stand point your GOV has over there issue.Just shows you that you dont have a argument.FALKLANDS
@MrDickWarrior No my views are that of a libertarian, maximum fiscal and social freedom for all. Your denial of abortion was a Conservative view remember. Please respect my political viewpoint.
@MrDickWarrior It is a socially (not solely???) conservative viewpoint. Do we have to go through this again? Are you incapable of learning or remembering things?
@N330AA As at the time I never thought removing a whole population had ever happened or would be a option.I was wrong looks like its state policy,so sad really but true
@legandrydirk So does that make the argument for the Falklands invalid? No. I agree that the D.Garcia thing was harsh, i still think it is slightly different, though i hope we give them some land back
@N330AA Yes I said solely and that’s what I meant. You can’t attribute an issue with a political party, that’s called stereotyping. People from all persuasions are anti abortion and likewise the other way.
If I want to learn it certainly won’t be from a Conservative.
@MrDickWarrior I'm not attributing it to a party. Conservatism isn't a party. Regardless of their persuasion being anti abortion is still a socially conservative viewpoint on that particular issue.
@MrDickWarrior No it's a socially conservative viewpoint. Why? It upholds (conserves) and imposes traditional moral values upon people. I'm sorry if the truth hurts you.
@N330AA You are trying to put people and beliefs into categories. That is stereotyping in my book. You cannot associate having moral values with Conservatism. Most of society has moral values.
@MrDickWarrior I am not saying that, once again please improve your verbal reasoning standards. It's very frustrating having to spoon-feed you everything.
@MrDickWarrior I have given you the generally accepted definition of social conservatism. Does that mean that people who aren't socially conservative are immoral? (continued)....
@MrDickWarrior No, they may have more modern moral viewpoints, or (like me) they may wish to allow the individual to judge what is moral or not impose moral standards on society.
@N330AA People are people. I do not associate moral values with Conservatism nor abortion, for or against. I know what you mean but effectively you're looking through PC glasses.
@MrDickWarrior But i'm not a conservative i am a libetarian. Is there any chance you could stop being wrong about things? It would make discussion a lot easier.
@N330AA I can't respond properly here due to comment length. I am therefore continuing the debate on an alternative video: David Cameron and Ed Miliband agree on Scotland at PMQs
@N330AA I can't respond properly here due to comment length. I am therefore continuing the debate on an alternative video: David Cameron and Ed Miliband agree on Scotland at PMQs
@N330AA You think its OK to evict islanders,just to suit your arse kissing with the Americans.I hope all Scots know about THE CHAGOS ISLANDS.And realise if that could happen with them over there.UK could do the same on a Scots island if they wanted to.In fact they did and tested Anthrax on one.
@legandrydirk Stop mudslining - it's juvenile. This has nothing to do with Scottish independence. Scotland was as guilty as the rest of the UK in this instance.
@N330AA Naw it was a UK desision both times.We never had our parliament then.And we dont even have the power to control our forces now.So again you dont have a clue what your on about as per usual.
@legandrydirk Last i check Scotland was part of the UK. You can't go back through history and claim everything bad the UK ever done was something Scotland was against.
@N330AA Your making out Scots had a say what happened when we never.EVIL unionists made these desisions.And they never did it in our name.Scots would have supported THE CHAGOS ISLANDERS.shame on you.
@legandrydirk Prove Scotland would have opposed this air base? You can't, so STFU. I just told you you can't go through history and say Scotland wouldn't have done this and that. "Evil unionists" LOL!
@N330AA Type in SCOTTISH SUPPORT for CHAGOS ISLANDERS.And you will find plenty off SCOTS MP,s supporting them at the time and now.I am losing nothing,just picking you up on your English.Since your always doing it with me.Clearly you dont even know,what most off your own words actually mean.
@legandrydirk And i'm not going to lie but that google search left a lot to be desired. Most of the hits didn't even have all of the search words in meaning there's no correlation.
@N330AA I just read that certain Scots did and still do GALLOWAY,DALZEIL to name a few.Go read up on it,there is a page full off Scots supporters to the cos then and now.
@N330AA SCOTTISH SUPPORT FOR CHAGOS ISLANDERS,and pages off the stuff came up.Enough to keep reading for days.And this was not even what the argument was about as you know,just your usual deflection.
@legandrydirk Sorry but the first page of the google search only has 2 links that reference the word scot in it.And what was the argument about? I thought you were just mudslinging ie there wasn't one
@N330AA Did I say that I liked Galloway?Cant stand him at all as a man or a polition.The only man in Scotland that gets assualted in a air port,and nobody gets it on CCTV or sees.He is a bitter person
@legandrydirk - Sorry but wasn't it a Scot that took the U.K. into an illegal war that is still going on. Wasn't it another Scot that was in charge of our economy during the biggest recession ever that we will be paying ourselves out of until we die. I think the average working class English man has far more to be angry at the Scots running the U.K. than visa versa.
@WillShakespeare2007 Your welcome to leave the union at any time.Its not our fault that you lacked any sort off political talent.After the Tories had desimated the country.Blame your self and blame your own educational system.
@legandrydirk - The fact we elected a Scot proves we are fair and non biased people. However you again try to attack this as a flaw. You are a rather sad and pathetic little bigot aren't you. You see I think there are fantastic Scots and terrible ones and the same with the English. Whereas you are just a small minded hate filled little loser. Scotland has the highest drug problems and second highest murder rate in the E.U. is that our fault too? Good and bad my friend. Grow up!
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@N330AA The SNP were elected because of their good record and pledges which included a referendum at a specified time. Why should they forget about pre election pledges solely because your party the Conservatives don’t approve?
As for Trident, the Tories were not elected because of their stance on Trident. In fact most Brits oppose Trident. The Tories were elected because people were fed up of Labour. Even then, after 14 years they had to get on bed with people they call “a joke”.
MrDickWarrior 3 hours ago
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MrDickWarrior 3 hours ago
@legandrydirk lol smelly shit. Yes the toys are definitely out...
N330AA 4 hours ago
@legandrydirk Aww, baby lost the argument? :( :( :(
N330AA 5 hours ago
@N330AA Refusing to answer simple questions,is not you winning a argument.And you have never managed that yet,with anybody in this room.And you never will as your simply full off smelly shit
legandrydirk 5 hours ago
@legandrydirk What has that got to do with anything? You need to understand he was CONVICTED thus, until that conviction is revoked which should be done via the court system and not by me, you or Nelson Mandela, he is considered guilty of killing 300 people and deserves no compassion.
N330AA 5 hours ago
@N330AA So you cant answer a simple question?He was only convicted down to evidence not being shown in court,that they would not let him use.Just fuck off if you have not got the decency about you to answer a straight question
legandrydirk 5 hours ago
@legandrydirk I didn't answer the question because it is irrelevant for reasons explained. It is still irrelvant for reasons explained.
It's like talking to a 3 year old.
N330AA 5 hours ago
@N330AA Your irrelvant more like and your presence on Scots poloitcal pages.As if we actually care what your opinions are.
legandrydirk 5 hours ago
aye welcome to the union
MrScantregard 1 day ago
Damaging to Scotland..Not fair on the Scottish people..Cameron you don`t like the fact you have no rule on Scotland as it is.
Let us go home.
Theirs a mother that needs her child & she`s called SCOTLAND..
KillerAtWarzz 1 day ago
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Why is Salmond so desperate to get 16/17 year olds voting?
voting age across the world is typically 18 in the vast majority of countries
It is maybe because kids are more likely to vote with a romantic brave heart-inspired nationalist heart, than an informed logical head?
wank0r 2 days ago
vote independence and we can get rid of the nuclear submarine base of faslane home to the uk's nuclear arsenal..these toxic machines sit not 40 miles from the most densley populated region in scotland and the longer they stay so the cases of cancer will grow ..let them go to england and we'll see how patriotic the english are when faced with nuclear subs on their doorstep.. its scotlands future at stake here..vote yes for scotland
MrScantregard 3 days ago
@MrScantregard Nuclear is always a good idea on someone else’s doorstep.
MrDickWarrior 3 days ago
@MrDickWarrior wrong nuclear is always a bad idea.. pity the rest of the uk dont see it that way all because its conveniently tucked out the road in scotland ..well im voting in favour of getting rid of these things along with thousands of other scots and if we win we get the bonus of our own country ruled by our own people..a no brainer u might say
MrScantregard 2 days ago
@MrScantregard I agree with you 100%. We should not have any nuclear bombs at all. Scotland has always been a convenient dumping ground or destination for the undesirable.
The funny thing is that most people in the UK don’t want nuclear either but still we have them.
Independence is needed to give Scotland control over what happens on our doorstep. It seems the only common sense way forward.
MrDickWarrior 2 days ago
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@MrScantregard "..these toxic machines sit not 40 miles from the most densley populated region in scotland and the longer they stay so the cases of cancer will grow"
Scaremongering bullshit. The nuke argument is probably the weakest arguments you nationalists have. The only thing that would happened if they moved the subs out of Faslane is jobs would be lost.
N330AA 3 days ago
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A Unionist lexicon: An A-Z of Unionist scare stories, myths and misinformation
This is an excellent mythbuster frae newsnet scotland. com. paste the following into google search A Unionist lexicon: An A-Z of Unionist scare stories, myths and misinformation newsnet scotland
NEWSNET SCOTLAND CUTS THROUGHT THE UNIONIST LIES
REMEMBER WHEN IT COMES TO DEMOCRACY "BRITANNIA WAIVES THE RULES"
CAMERON WAS FORCED TO HUMBLE HIMSELF IN EDINBURGH
haggisman11 5 days ago
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MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
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@MrDickWarrior I will repost for a 3rd time... "You are laughable, truly laughable.
Google this "Fact Check Will independence propel Scotland into the OECD top six?" and read the top link."
N330AA 6 days ago
Scotland is a beautiful country and the scotish people will do much better if they were not entangled with the british flawed parliamentary "democracy".
PoseidonHermes 6 days ago
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'The Celtic Fringe: Westminster Elections In Scotland And Wales, 1970-2010, A Complete Record' by Grant Toway is now available on Amazon. At first glance, this book may seem to be primarily a statistical guide to the 1,200+ constituency contests in Scotland and Wales covering the last four decades, but there are also brief comments which accompany each and every result. The author has also compiled a number of appendices as well as providing his own commentary on the unfolding events.
garyw930 6 days ago
Being English with Scottish blood I think Scotland would be silly to break away from the United Kingdom, teamwork is whats needed at times like these, not segragation and division. We both have things to bring to the table, and we both stand to benefit from being in a union.
BigWilki123321 6 days ago
@BigWilki123321 Does that imply that in times of prosperity Scotland can go its own way?
There is more to the Scottish independence issue than finances. Having 100% control over Scottish issues is the central issue.
Indecently Scotland would be the 6th richest nation in the OECD per head under independence.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior It wouldn't be the 6th richest nation. This is just propaganda by the SNP and has been proven to be bullshit by a huge margin.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Come off it. You just don’t like the thought of Scotland doing well for itself. Better to stick to the line that you carry us.
Alex Salmond is an economist. He knows what he’s talking about. Scotland would be the 6th wealthiest nation per head in the OECD under independence.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior You really are a sheep aren't you. Here are your words "I prefer not to watch or read thing with political bias." Why do you lap up AS's lies then?
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Alex Salmond is my country’s first minister and one of the most highly respected politicians in the world, hence the reason he has won awards such as politician of the year. Even his critics have the upmost respect for him.
You really don’t like the prospect of Scotland being better of do you? You really hate the thought.
Scotland would be the 6th richest nation in the OECD per head. Live with it.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior You are laughable, truly laughable.
Google this "Fact Check Will independence propel Scotland into the OECD top six?" and read the top link.
It lays it pretty bare.
N330AA 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior And whilst you read that. Realise that they didn't even factor OUT the loss of Barnett formula revenue.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA The Barnett formula wouldn’t exist in Scotland after independence therefore it would have no relevance.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Losing out on 7.5 billion pounds a year is extremely relevant i'm afraid. That article shows that even if you don't consider that loss you're still a long long way off the 6th richest.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA We would definitely be the 6th richest in the OECD, the problem is that you don’t want that. You baulk at the prospect of a prosperous Scotland. It is your worst nightmare. How dare the Scots do well for themselves.
It funny whenever Alex mentions this nobody comes out with your bold statements. You must be more clued up than people like Paxman and others.
In any case I would rather be worse off than under Westminster control.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior "We would definitely be the 6th richest in the OECD"
Why haven't you read that article? Are you scared?
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Well, what article are you talking about? Is it in the Telegraph or Daily Mail by any chance? Was Alex Salmond there when it was said or written to defend himself? I doubt that.
In any case, I would prefer a 50% reduction in spending than Westminster control.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Read it and you'll see. You clearly believe in your conviction so what are you so scared of?
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA You should read my last comment. What article? I think by your lack of come back I am right. Its a Torygraph or Dail Mail article right?
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Read it and you'll see for yourself. What are you so scared of?
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Which article? I have said that several times because I dont know what article you are talking about. It seems im right because you wont answer. Torygraph or Daily mail right?
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Stop playing dumb i've posted links to get to it twice now.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA
Not to me you havent. Show me.
I'm right aren't I? It's the Torygraph or Daily Mail.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Fuck off and just read it you nonce. Look at this page. The instructions for getting to that article are quite clear and are addressed to you. I can even see it as a write this post.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA
Was it too difficult for you to give a link?
According to what you are referring to, the calculations made are based on government figures. The government are the Tories. I question them, especially after their way of the mark predictions for the economy.
In any case the article does say that Scotland would likely benefit from an economic windfall.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I gave you the link 3 times. Was it so hard for you to read it?
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA I'm glad you support an article which indicates Scotland will benefit from an economic windfall as a result of independence. No doubt you will challenge this part with another article.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Read the calculations, the SNP effectively state that only if they keep Barnett will they get that windfall. Something you yourself said would be irrelevant.
N330AA 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior You've gone quiet haven't you.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA It seems comments have been restricted to 184 characters therefore I cant give a full response. When it returns to normal I will answer.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@N330AA It seems your reluctance to answer is effectively a yes.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
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@MrDickWarrior Remeber this post? "You are laughable, truly laughable.
Google this "Fact Check Will independence propel Scotland into the OECD top six?" and read the top link."
N330AA 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Honestly, playing dumb isn't gong to get you out of this one.
N330AA 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior So you are a sheep. I'd ask you to read this... fullfact(.)org/factchecks/scotland_independence_salmond_economy-3239
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA JOSEPH STIGLITS has a NOBLE PRIZE IN ECONOMICS.And he has not said anything about the OECD report being bullshit.So I conclude that it is worthy,and Scotland can be the 6th richest nation
legandrydirk 6 days ago
@legandrydirk Has anyone asked him? I doubt it. You don't need win a noble prize to see the maths simply don't add up.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA You can E Mail him,he even is on YouTube.Pretty sure somebody would have.Pretty sure iff it was B.S he would have spoken about it.As he keeps a keen eye on what is happening in Scotland.
legandrydirk 6 days ago
@N330AA Aye OK his NOBLE PRIZE in ECONOMICS is worthless then.Since he is not on your side.
legandrydirk 6 days ago
@legandrydirk So you basis is that, someone who you can't confirm has been asked about it hasn't said anything, thus it must be true even though basic maths says otherwise. Brilliant, just brilliant.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA He would know about it,off coarse he would.And the fact that he is not coming out and saying that the QECD report is B.S.Tells me all I need to know about it.He is smarter than any unionist.
legandrydirk 6 days ago
@legandrydirk That is the most pathetic argument i've ever heard.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Your FALKLANDS argument was worce,trust me still laughing now about your hypocrasy.When I thought I had heard it all
legandrydirk 6 days ago
@legandrydirk So you admit your argument was pathetic then?
And might i ask what hypocrisy? AFAIK you're for the Falklands staying British.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA CHAGOS ISLANDERS,thought they were BRIOTS to.And were thrown off there island bye your lot.Just think the same could happen there to.Since its happened B4 and was demed perfectly acceptable
legandrydirk 6 days ago
@legandrydirk How does the Changos effect the Falklands? The Changos were British territory and they asked to relocate. I said it was harsh but i fail to see the comparison to the Falklands.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA LOL aye OK they were asked.Sure they had the choise,and were not thrown off without a say.And back in reality off the sane,that was what exactly happened to those poor peaple,not acceptable
legandrydirk 6 days ago
@legandrydirk Being asked does not imply an option. Policeman: "Can you move your car sir?".
How does this tie into the falklands though? You've still failed to answer that.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA The Policeman cant move me on from my home.What a awful analogy that was.They CHAGOS ISLANDERS were in there home,the island was there home.And BRITS had no respect for that at all did they?
legandrydirk 6 days ago
@legandrydirk The police example was used to refute your assertion that i claimed they were given a choice. Keep up.
N330AA 6 days ago
@legandrydirk He won’t answer any difficult questions. He'll change the subject with some bizarre comparison.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@legandrydirk As i say though how does this tie in with the falklands?
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA It ties in as an example of Westminster picking and choosing when to use democracy. Westminster has selective hearing, particularly when there is oil involved.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior How, explain to me how? The island was British territory. There was no dispute about sovereignty unlike with the Falklands.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Because Westminster pretends to be interested in what citizens of British ruled entities want. with regards to the Chagos they pretended they didnt exist to achieve their goal.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior They accept self-determination during changes of sovereignty. There are many cases of evictions in the UK. I agree it is sad what happened, but that is essentially what it is akin to.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Its an example of Westminster looking after it own interests whilst ignoring what the people want. This reflects the Falklands however it is convenient to listen on this occassion.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior The self determination issue is just the tip of the iceberg for the falklands and designed to get the silly Argies to STFU. Nip the argument in the bud if you will.
N330AA 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Personally i hope the islanders are allowed to go back to the outer islands in the region. I think the UK has a right to build a military base on its own territory though.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Westminster didnt listen to the Chagos, they didnt listen to the Welsh village that was closed to supply water to Liverpool and they will likely ignore Scots who choose independence.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior That cynical attitude is not in line with what happened to Barbados. History is not on your side sadly.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Barbados? I never mentioned Barbados.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@N330AA Westminster is a front for democracy and with respect I cant wait to get away from it.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I know, i mentioned Barbados. An example of a territory that asked for independence and was granted it.
N330AA 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior And i thought the posts were too short for you to comment on the calculations that showed Salmond to be talking absolute balls about his 6th richest figure. Convenient how you've ignored that and are back to now mudslinging at Westminster about frivolous issues.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA You just randomly changed the subject then flipped back to something we talked about over an hour ago.
Alex Salmond is a respected economist, why shouldnt i listen to him?
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior If Alex Salmond is a respected economist why was i just able to prove that he lied?
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Oh my god. How can you have proved him wrong if Scotland isn't independent yet? Have you been to the future? You are full of hot air.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior But the SNP showed their working out, and it was shown to fall way short of what was claimed. That's how they can be proven wrong.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Nobody can predict the future. The point is that Scotland will be better off, as the article you highlight indicates Scotland will have an economic windfall.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Scotland would have an windfall if it kept the Barnett formula. That's what it indicates. We've been through this but you attempted to ignore that reality.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA The reality is on my part, whilst i think we would be better off it wouldnt bother me if we were worse off. Independence is about 100% control in Scotland for Scotland.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior "it wouldnt bother me if we were worse off. Independence is about 100%"
I'll take this as a concession that you agree the SNP lied on this one.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA You are full of hot air and nonsensical comparisons. I will stick with AS, one of the most respected politicians in Britain. Not an uninformed Conservative like yourself.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior No i am full of facts which you are unable to dispute. Ironically you resort to hot air yourself.
N330AA 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior And once again i am a Libetarian not a Conservative. How many fucking time does it take for a mong like you to absorb this. Trained monkey learn quicker.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA I think we both know you voted Conservative. You are Conservative to the core. E
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I've never voted in any UK election. I've never felt passionately about a party to do so.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA All your words mean nothing if you dont vote. That is if you can which with the independence issue you cant. How old are you?
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior "Well you don't get a say" Sounds like the words of someone who's bereft of intellgent arguments.
I'm 26. Any other stats about me you want?
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA It happens to be true, you wont get a vote on the issue. It would seem you wouldnt vote even if you could which indicates your a hot air outlet, nothing more.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I present facts not hot air. I've explained this to you already. And i definitely would vote for the union as i feel passionately about it.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA You cant vote for the union. You do not present facts, you present speculation. You present your version of events and your view on the issues. There are no facts about the future.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
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@N330AA Your input on Scottish independence is about Texas, Canada, Israel, the Faroe Islands, denmark, Barbados and Greenland. Hot air, very little facts.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior No, listen. I present facts from a neutral source. Not speculation. Not my own version of events. Facts. You are the one wrangling to deny them.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Neutral, what a joke. You are as right wing as they come then present yourself as a libertarian. You would support anything under the union flag, you are blinded by your patriotism.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I linked to an article designed for taking political leanings out of politics. Like i say. I present facts.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA How can a speculative document be regarded as fact?
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior You tell me, you're the one claiming Scotland WILL be better off. You brought up the 6th richest claim in the first place.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA I did bring it up, and I believe it. There is however every chance i will be wrong since its speculative. I also hope England will be better off.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior It is going to be wrong. It is not speculative and any attempt to pass it off as that is flippancy.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA There is no man who can predict the future, not a Tory like yourself, a Liberal or someone from the SNP. But when it comes to probabilities, I prefer to listen to economists like AS.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I AM NOT A FUCKING TORY. DON'T YOU DARE CALL ME THAT AGAIN.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Come on, we know thats not true.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I am a Libertarian. I believe in the pragmatic minimisation of the state and the maximum level of personal freedom for all. It is different to Conservatism.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Have a look at this: /watch?v=EucJIl0uonE
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior As i said i am not answering any of your questions until you acknowledge my political position and cease from calling me a Tory.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA I know your political position, its been very clear from day one. Maybe you are a Conservative in denial.
I respect your views even though I dont agree with them but there is no doubt you are right wing.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Fiscally i am right wing, socially i am left wing - that is the hallmarks of a Libertarian - maximum fiscal and social freedom.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA
You are a Tory, we both know that. Since it clearly upsets you I will refrain from mentioning it.
For the sake of peace we will say that you are a libertarian coalitionist.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Remember you're the one who demonstrated socially right wing views about abortion.
N330AA 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior But i'm not a Tory. I've never voted Tory and do not associate myself with them. You need to understand that Libertarianism is distinctly different.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Warrier has more or less said it all regarding CHAVAS and FALKLAND islands.And the hypocritical stand point your GOV has over there issue.Just shows you that you dont have a argument.FALKLANDS
legandrydirk 6 days ago
@legandrydirk I'll define hypocrisy with your own words: "if the island wants to stay British.I dont have a problem with that"
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA Your views are those of a Conservative. There is no question of that.
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior No my views are that of a libertarian, maximum fiscal and social freedom for all. Your denial of abortion was a Conservative view remember. Please respect my political viewpoint.
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA How can you say anti abortion is solely Conservative. You are politically correct.
Have you had your milky bar?
MrDickWarrior 6 days ago
@MrDickWarrior It is a socially (not solely???) conservative viewpoint. Do we have to go through this again? Are you incapable of learning or remembering things?
N330AA 6 days ago
@N330AA As at the time I never thought removing a whole population had ever happened or would be a option.I was wrong looks like its state policy,so sad really but true
legandrydirk 5 days ago
@legandrydirk So does that make the argument for the Falklands invalid? No. I agree that the D.Garcia thing was harsh, i still think it is slightly different, though i hope we give them some land back
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA Yes I said solely and that’s what I meant. You can’t attribute an issue with a political party, that’s called stereotyping. People from all persuasions are anti abortion and likewise the other way.
If I want to learn it certainly won’t be from a Conservative.
MrDickWarrior 5 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I'm not attributing it to a party. Conservatism isn't a party. Regardless of their persuasion being anti abortion is still a socially conservative viewpoint on that particular issue.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA
Being anti abortion is left right and centre. Being pro abortion is also left right and centre. It’s an issue with shared beliefs across the board.
MrDickWarrior 5 days ago
@MrDickWarrior No it's a socially conservative viewpoint. Why? It upholds (conserves) and imposes traditional moral values upon people. I'm sorry if the truth hurts you.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA Are you saying that people who don’t buy into conservatism as you call it have no moral values? What kind of claim is that? Nonsensical.
MrDickWarrior 5 days ago
@MrDickWarrior No i'm not claiming that. Please improve your verbal reasoning standards.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA You are trying to put people and beliefs into categories. That is stereotyping in my book. You cannot associate having moral values with Conservatism. Most of society has moral values.
MrDickWarrior 5 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I am not saying that, once again please improve your verbal reasoning standards. It's very frustrating having to spoon-feed you everything.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA
You think because I disagree with you I have poor reasoning standards?
You are trying to connect abortion with sections of society. Your only reasoning is personal insults.
MrDickWarrior 5 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I think you have poor verbal reasoning standards because you are drawing wildly wrong conclusions from things i have said.
N330AA 5 days ago
@MrDickWarrior I have given you the generally accepted definition of social conservatism. Does that mean that people who aren't socially conservative are immoral? (continued)....
N330AA 5 days ago
@MrDickWarrior No, they may have more modern moral viewpoints, or (like me) they may wish to allow the individual to judge what is moral or not impose moral standards on society.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA People are people. I do not associate moral values with Conservatism nor abortion, for or against. I know what you mean but effectively you're looking through PC glasses.
MrDickWarrior 5 days ago
@MrDickWarrior Whether you do or not is irrelevant, the world does. So what do you associate with Conservatism?
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA You.
MrDickWarrior 5 days ago
@MrDickWarrior But i'm not a conservative i am a libetarian. Is there any chance you could stop being wrong about things? It would make discussion a lot easier.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA I can't respond properly here due to comment length. I am therefore continuing the debate on an alternative video: David Cameron and Ed Miliband agree on Scotland at PMQs
MrDickWarrior 5 days ago
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@N330AA I can't respond properly here due to comment length. I am therefore continuing the debate on an alternative video: David Cameron and Ed Miliband agree on Scotland at PMQs
MrDickWarrior 5 days ago
@N330AA You think its OK to evict islanders,just to suit your arse kissing with the Americans.I hope all Scots know about THE CHAGOS ISLANDS.And realise if that could happen with them over there.UK could do the same on a Scots island if they wanted to.In fact they did and tested Anthrax on one.
legandrydirk 5 days ago
@legandrydirk Stop mudslining - it's juvenile. This has nothing to do with Scottish independence. Scotland was as guilty as the rest of the UK in this instance.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA Naw it was a UK desision both times.We never had our parliament then.And we dont even have the power to control our forces now.So again you dont have a clue what your on about as per usual.
legandrydirk 5 days ago
@legandrydirk Last i check Scotland was part of the UK. You can't go back through history and claim everything bad the UK ever done was something Scotland was against.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA Your making out Scots had a say what happened when we never.EVIL unionists made these desisions.And they never did it in our name.Scots would have supported THE CHAGOS ISLANDERS.shame on you.
legandrydirk 5 days ago
@legandrydirk Prove Scotland would have opposed this air base? You can't, so STFU. I just told you you can't go through history and say Scotland wouldn't have done this and that. "Evil unionists" LOL!
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA Again you are indulging in your selective reading again.Your good at that when losing a argument
legandrydirk 5 days ago
@legandrydirk Until you can prove Scotland would have opposed this airbase i'd say it's you who's losing the argument... as usual.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA Type in SCOTTISH SUPPORT for CHAGOS ISLANDERS.And you will find plenty off SCOTS MP,s supporting them at the time and now.I am losing nothing,just picking you up on your English.Since your always doing it with me.Clearly you dont even know,what most off your own words actually mean.
legandrydirk 5 days ago
@legandrydirk I cannot see where i have misused the English language. Please explicitly point out where this has occurred.
N330AA 5 days ago
@legandrydirk And i'm not going to lie but that google search left a lot to be desired. Most of the hits didn't even have all of the search words in meaning there's no correlation.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA WOULD and COULD spot the difference in what the words mean.
legandrydirk 5 days ago
@legandrydirk You were the one that said would. Remember: "Scots would have supported THE CHAGOS ISLANDERS.shame on you.".
You can't prove this, so as usual your argument has no basis.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA I just read that certain Scots did and still do GALLOWAY,DALZEIL to name a few.Go read up on it,there is a page full off Scots supporters to the cos then and now.
legandrydirk 5 days ago
@legandrydirk Galloway is an ardent unionist. Funny as i thought they were all evil.
Do you have a link to this list? As your search terms produced squat.
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA SCOTTISH SUPPORT FOR CHAGOS ISLANDERS,and pages off the stuff came up.Enough to keep reading for days.And this was not even what the argument was about as you know,just your usual deflection.
legandrydirk 5 days ago
@legandrydirk Sorry but the first page of the google search only has 2 links that reference the word scot in it.And what was the argument about? I thought you were just mudslinging ie there wasn't one
N330AA 5 days ago
@N330AA Did I say that I liked Galloway?Cant stand him at all as a man or a polition.The only man in Scotland that gets assualted in a air port,and nobody gets it on CCTV or sees.He is a bitter person
legandrydirk 5 days ago
@legandrydirk - Sorry but wasn't it a Scot that took the U.K. into an illegal war that is still going on. Wasn't it another Scot that was in charge of our economy during the biggest recession ever that we will be paying ourselves out of until we die. I think the average working class English man has far more to be angry at the Scots running the U.K. than visa versa.
WillShakespeare2007 3 days ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Your welcome to leave the union at any time.Its not our fault that you lacked any sort off political talent.After the Tories had desimated the country.Blame your self and blame your own educational system.
legandrydirk 3 days ago
@legandrydirk - The fact we elected a Scot proves we are fair and non biased people. However you again try to attack this as a flaw. You are a rather sad and pathetic little bigot aren't you. You see I think there are fantastic Scots and terrible ones and the same with the English. Whereas you are just a small minded hate filled little loser. Scotland has the highest drug problems and second highest murder rate in the E.U. is that our fault too? Good and bad my friend. Grow up!
WillShakespeare2007 2 days ago
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