Dual Wield .357 Magnum Revolvers

[hektik500]

so basically what your saying is....you cant shoot straight  hahahaha

[CSSstravag]

@hektik500 Then post some vid of you doing better.

[SAMIS666]

It's not a good way to shoot but for best results pull both triggers at the same time because shooting one then the other the recoil from the right handgun makes it harder for you to hit target when firing the left handgun. See what I mean?

[SkullxXxFire]

The main thing when you "Dual Wield" is to point your thumbs in the direction that you are shooting so that way all you have to do is point your thumb in the direction of the target/ enemy whatever and shoot, but the i use the technique with 1 gun, not 2 as for if you use 2 then you have to acount for both of the guns with recoil and everything, it just doesn't work no matter how cool it looks

[CSSstravag]

@SkullxXxFire and I thank you for the voice of reason on this subject. As shown by the comments below, there are a lot of people that just can't wrap their head around how ineffective this tactic is.

[scarecrow6613613750]

i call bullshit. ive seen plenty of pro gunslingers use 2 revolvers simoultaniously and hit with perfect acuracy.

[CSSstravag]

@scarecrow6613613750 And I call bullshit upon your declaration of bullshit. Pony up some video of actual operational professionals (military, police, security / protection officers, etc) that dual-wield. Trick-shot gunslingers don't count for this purpose; their training is for competition, not combat.

[tomtom547]

those were 38s, .357 magnums are way louder

[CSSstravag]

@tomtom547 That was a crappy camera, I don't use .38s in my .357 because it can damage the inside of the cylinder.

[deadleppards76]

@CSSstravag

why would 38s damage the cylinder? They are under less pressure, it wont do anything to your cylinder

[CSSstravag]

@deadleppards76 Uneven wear on the inside of the cylinder; the .38 cases are not the same length as .357, and I have seen .357s used extensively with .38 rounds that have scoring from uneven powder burning. Mind you, these were .357s with 80K+ rounds through them, but I don't want to encourage the matter with mine...

[rey1933]

@CSSstravag lol .38s dont damage the cylinder........

[hydra046]

Professionals do not ride tactical Rascals into battle, either.

[CSSstravag]

@hydra046 True. Then again, we didn't have one, either. If you're referring to what we had all the supplies in, that was a wheelbarrow.

[CarlChub]

@hydra046 Hahahahaha

[landonmc98]

When I dual wield revolvers I use a lefty revolver and a righty revolver so my finger doesn't bleed.

[Melvinizel]

is that it? dual wield??? sounds like train piston going to park!

[hazeleyes1911a1]

I've tried dual-wield with pistols, AR's and AK's....never found any dual combo that works, primarily because one cannot aim two weapons simultaneously...either one will be aimed, or the other...both require the ability to switch eyes and trigger fingers in a coordinated effort...which takes time, negating the benefits of shooting akimbo.

It looks good in the movies...but the director says who gets hit, not reality.

[CSSstravag]

@hazeleyes1911a1 And that is why I posted this video. Much thank you for the extended clarity on the subject.

[zeus240658]

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[landronics]

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[made2surf17]

nice piece, i just bought the Ruger gp100.. and plan on putting those grips on also! have you done anything to the trigger pull?

[CSSstravag]

@made2surf17 Technically not my weapon, the Smith 28 is mine. The GP100 belongs to my friend.

As to mods, it is completely stock except for the pistol grips. AFAIK it has not been modified, and was not modified as of the time of this video.

[BenTheNinja2121]

Uhhh, Dirty Harry only used one 44. Magnum. He never duel wielded any guns actually. So yeah, you're an idiot.

[CSSstravag]

@BenTheNinja2121 Uhhh, one: I did not say it, two: I know Dirty Harry only used the .44 Mag, three: I know Dirty Harry did not dual wield.

So yeah, if you had read the comments below, you'd already know that I know this already. Any other pontification?

[Tr0nMakesPr0n]

@BenTheNinja2121 They used a .41 magnum in the movie. Don't be a dick. 

[Ablethe7]

nice Ruger GP101

[CSSstravag]

@Ablethe7 I got results comparable to my Smith 28 from that GP100, so I have no complaints.

[jumba202]

he's just got shitty aim lol

[CSSstravag]

@jumba202 then let's see you do better, puke.

[HeWhoSlayethCain]

MW2 comment in 3....2.....

I remember shooting a .357 Mag my dad borrowed.....I want one....

[CSSstravag]

@HeWhoSlayethCain A cheap .357 will set you back 300 to 400, a good one runs from 450 to 650. Well worth the investment if you want to make nickel-sized holes in anything you shoot :)

[HeWhoSlayethCain]

@CSSstravag Yeah, problem is, I owe my college $716....so I won't be getting anything anytime soon, I'll stay set with my Mosin Nagant for a while though.

[CSSstravag]

@HeWhoSlayethCain Bills, bills, bills. Such a pain in the bill.

Moisin Nagant is a good wep for anything except CQB, a bit too heavy and long for maneuvering around corners. At 100 to 400 yards, though, it is even usable against someone hiding behind a car door or inside a car, much less anyone on foot.

[HeWhoSlayethCain]

@CSSstravag Plus, you can always stab them through the door if your about 10 feet away.

[CSSstravag]

@HeWhoSlayethCain You have the bayonet for your Moisin Nagant? Very nice :)

I'd like to get the spike-style bayonet for my Enfield 4, but I can't find one.

[HeWhoSlayethCain]

@CSSstravag Yup, My Mosin came with the Bayonet, two ammo pouches, the oil can, and the tool kit. All for about $100.

[villagepunk]

@CSSstravag I got the spike bayonet for my #4 mk1 on ebay. They are only 10-20 bucks. It's wicked looking and easy to take on/off. Only use I found for it was killing possums in my yard.

[whatuwantmom]

dualing is for fun, not for pros

[Xae87]

so did u get burned cuz the gun is meant to be shot right handed or what?

[CSSstravag]

@Xae87 Cheap ammo, and not quite a burn. Unburned powder blew off the frame and bore edge and bounced over from my left revolver into my right index finger. Painful as hell, made typing and trigger work hard for two weeks. Mostly, blame cheap ammo.

[KyuiSuKim]

Nice vid mate, I have a S&W 686 and though I can shoot one handed, two would be the same as you have demonstrated.

[Ronald3570]

whats up with your fucking thigh rigs? you have them flopping around all over the place.

also, not that i agree with dual wielding, but to have someone who disagrees with it test its effectiveness will cause biased results.

[CSSstravag]

@Ronald3570 On the leg holsters, I gave up trying to keep the bands on because they wouldn't stay in place. I've tweaked the bands to keep them from moving around while using them.

As to the test, what you saw was an honest effort irregardless of my opinion. The problem is not so much the technique as it is the recoil: each shot has a more and more wildly different aimpoint. In this video, I was 6'1" @ 325lbs, and I couldn't keep two .357s under control. This may not be doable on recoil alone.

[Ronald3570]

@CSSstravag it shouldnt be that bad one handed, what guns were you shooting?

[CSSstravag]

@Ronald3570 The weapon in the right hand is a Ruger GP100 with the 6" barrel, .357 magnum. The left hand is a Smith & Wesson Model 28 Highway Patrol, also with a 6" barrel.

You are right about it being not so bad one handed, but with one weapon you're forced to take a pause between shots to recenter. Using two at once, the 'recenter' phase is accompanied by firing the other weapon, which just adds to the collective recoil until you're all over the page by shots 4 and 4 from each weapon.

[whatuwantmom]

u suck, i daul 357 mag all da time. plus, you don't dual wield to be profesional, you daul wield for da hell of having fun!!!!

[CSSstravag]

@whatuwantmom Then let's see some video of you doing Dual .357s.

[whatuwantmom]

@CSSstravag i'm not allowed to post gun videos, but maybe one day!

[anmvamp]

@whatuwantmom haha, wow. you dual wield in mw2 right?

[anmvamp]

@whatuwantmom haha, wow. you dual wield in mw2 right?

[KyuiSuKim]

@whatuwantmom you mispelled dual, you, and the. You probably dont even own a gun, nor less "daul 357 mag"

[KyuiSuKim]

@whatuwantmom By everyone, you mean just you. So what is this imaginary magnum you have? Also, just because you live in the south, it does not mean shit, just like your opinion.

[mynameisasshole]

Dual wielding with semiautomatic pistols would be somewhat reasonable if you had lots of targets at a very short range. A sub machine gun would do this better, though.

New-york reloading is another reasonable use for two handguns, particularly if you're using revolvers, since reloading them takes at several seconds.

[GundamTotema]

How you reload both of them?

[CSSstravag]

Technically, you don't, not without dropping or holstering one, reloading the held, then dropping the loaded one and reloading the other one. There is no graceful or fast way to reload duals,

[GundamTotema]

Maybe they should make a 12 shot to make up.

[CSSstravag]

I'd pay good money just to see such an esoteric weapon, but forget about using one. The cylinder and frame alone would weigh as much as a stripped-down M4, and controlling the monster for any length of time would be a real nightmare.

Once you get past the need for eight shots at the max, your best bet is an automatic. Or a good pump-action shotgun.

[GundamTotema]

If you could only have one to deal with any situation, what would it be?

[CSSstravag]

Simple: a shotgun.

In utility use, a shotgun can put just about any game animal down in two shots or less, not counting the massive or dangerous game types, and that means food at the end of a day. Food is always a good thing to have, no?

In defensive combat use, a shotgun is a monster of close-quarters battle, with OOO buckshot it will tear anyone apart. Using slugs, you can get decent range out of a decent shotgun, enough to hold your own out to 75 yards or more with practice.

[XxUnknownxX8]

@GundamTotema your target should be dead, you can reload later

[0Francine0]

Blah Blah realism blah.

It still looks fucking cool.

[CSSstravag]

Well, last I checked, 'cool' won't save your ass in a gunfight. That is the point of this demonstration.

Even I must admit you are correct, though :)

[jmak805]

u jus make yerself look ignorant dirty hairy had 44s

[alibilly97]

i gotta admit its not unaccurate its just there not used to doing that like in western 1890 i bet some could fire dual and kill every! ty for the vid!

[CSSstravag]

Thanks for the comment, amigo.

There is a difference between what I did here and what was common practice in the 1800s. Back in the old west,l if someone used two pistols, they did not fire them simultaneously, they fired one at a time, slowly, either firing one pistol to empty and switching to the other or they fired one shot from either pistol with a pause in between. Either way, it is the equivalent of firing one pistol single-handed, not like this.

[fndryea]

well professionals do dual weild guns just not....a freakin magnum. try a beretta m92sf then see how that works.

[CSSstravag]

What professionals dual wield? I know the Military and Law Enforcement drum such things out of trainees during boot camp, and I cannot come up with another armed profession that trains on or recommends duals. A little help here?

[RobbyTheSheef]

I think spetznaz either used to or still do. They don't shoot both guns at once, though. They shoot one, while actually using the sights, then they use the other. It's so they don't have to reload I guess, but it doesn't seem that useful.

[yamaxer]

You need to do some 'training' on a stairmaster bro.

[CSSstravag]

Yeah, yeah, been there, heard that, not impressed. Angry scrawny fucks that can't handle a magnum are no concern to me. Go away.

[Hatecentipedes]

and sry if I sounded hostile or anything man that wasn't what I was trying to do at all I was just saying.

[CSSstravag]

No big, and no contest to your comment. I do suck at using duals, because the whole technique is unmanageable. Can't be helped, though.

[Hatecentipedes]

ummm...I think you just suck at shooting with 2 pistols.

[CSSstravag]

After a fashion, you are correct. I suck at using two pistols because I do not practice a bullshit Hollywood forearms technique IRL. Go into a real shootout with duals, and you are likely to get your ass blown off, then you get laughed at by your victor. Just some food for thought.

[Hatecentipedes]

well of course not go into a REAL shootout with duals man. Its retarded to stake your life on something that you've seen in a movie or a game. All I'm saying is that you suck at shooting with 2 pistols lol

[rouninknight]

Even ambidexterous can't dual wield. You need a hand to control the gun recoil. Not to metion shooting is a concentranial endevour, so you can point at two places or at one place with two guns.

Why I am sayng that, I'm a gun instructor at Brazil police academy. Nice tutorial video, gonna show this video to future students.

[CSSstravag]

Quite true, I never really considered the concentration angle of the matter, most of my problem is with the recoil management and how after the first shot my aim point was not even on the page.

Always glad to be contributing to training somewhere. Thanks for the comment :)

[kaZerlaZer]

maybe you just suck

[CSSstravag]

I dunno. If you would say that someone who can routinely put twelve rounds into a 1.4" group is someone who sucks, your prerogative. Matter of opinion and all that.

Just keep in mind that 0.357" of that 1.4" group is the width of one bullet. Do the math, that is twelve rounds in a circle no wider than three and three quarters of those bullets. And I don't need a benchrest to do that, either.

Just some food for thought.

[TacticalMonky]

Dirty harry used a .44 magnum

[CSSstravag]

Indeed. Dirty Harry also did not use a dual-wield. Why my friend mentioned Dirty Harry, I do not know.

[ziek25]

Looks like you've been dual wielding to many beers.

[CSSstravag]

Nope, I have no affiliation with beer. Whiskey Sours, however...

[redbob2400]

you don't need 2 guns but they make lasers so you can hip fire but it would still be hard to load and stuff

[CSSstravag]

This is not my normal fashion of shooting. I use one gun and reload fast if I need more than six shots.

[GodlessMartyr666]

what happens if seven thugs pull guns on you, you need a pistol man,

[CSSstravag]

I have a 1911 as well, and it can also do a one-shot wonder on someone.

If seven thugs is the foe I face, I definitely came to the battle without enough weapon. Assuming that I did get in such an engagement and my revolver was my only recourse, I would use a speed-reload and drop the last, or rely on close-quarters shock tactics (kill six and pistol-whip the seventh, if they were dumb enough to get that close). It is likely, though, the last puke would be running if I got six of his buddies.

[bigc1494]

hahhahah kill six pistol whip the seventh nice tatic ahhaha

[djjohn99]

Just a quick ananylis

IRL!

aiming regural= both bullets flying off tot he side

Aiming in the center= bullets flying innacturetly possibly into the middle then just flying all over the place

Holding one on top of the other=Recoil will most likely fuck it up

Now in video games movies and shit

Aiming regular=WIN!

Aiming in center=WIN!

Holding one on top of the other=WIN!

[Jairion]

This is just one of these things that simply need practice. Just like guns are preferred over bows because bows need more practice, same thing with swords - a skilled one with a bow or even a sword can outmatch a gunman. (Not talking about deflecting bullets with a blade, but more like slicing the gunmans hand before he gets to shoot at close range)

[CSSstravag]

You are correct on both points - this is a skill that needs practice and other skills can outmatch a gunman in the right circumstances.

I have only two arguments to make:

1. Dual-wielding guns is grossly improper technique, period. It may look good, but it is not in any way proper, and I have neither time nor ammo for a technique I will never use IRL.

2. The sword and bow are still valid weapons, but they have severe limitations. Under most circumstances, neither is preferable to a firearm.

[Jairion]

1. Just needs training over longer distances. In a small room, like a gang meeting going haywire, you'd rather have two, as missing is less likely to happen. All it takes, really, is training. There are no real limitations to what you can achieve with this - but it would be stupid to go after such a thing over years of practice, when one gun is just good.

2. Under most, yeah, but they have done their job of killing men for over a millenia now. Just dont get in bad circumstances, and its okay.

[WaRClouDVII]

Dirty Harry never dual wielded revolvers... and he used a .44 mag for FUCKS SAKE!! lol

[CSSstravag]

Oh, this i know well. This was only a stunt to show why you don't do this kind of thing.

[jamesmainwaring]

ill give it 5 stars

[CSSstravag]

You have my thanks.

[Mattc73355]

You Have my BOW!

[CSSstravag]

Sadly, some day soon we may have need of your bow and any other arsenal you have.

[magnum9987]

Dirty Harry used a .44 Magnum and was never seen to dual wield aything

[CSSstravag]

Oh yes, correct on both points. Why Mr. Cross said something about Dirty Harry in this case, I don't know.

For the record, I only did this Dual Wield and the one with the .45s and that was it. Dual Wield is a completely bullcrap technique, used only in the movies and video games. I do not practice nor advise using duals under any real circumstance.

Dirty Harry generally does it right, though. No complaints about him from me.

[djjohn99]

Well the impossible secret to dual wielding is you hold each gun over eachother side ways. and move the top gun slightly down when you shoot it and move the bottom gun slightly up when you shoot it. every bullet falls in almost the exact place

[CSSstravag]

Interesting. I may have to try this sometime this year, maybe with some low-power loads to reduce recoil. Thanks for the thought :P

(It's still bad form but such things are a challenge to me.)

[Salieri325]

How is that the impossible secret? How does the word impossible even fit into that phrase or the context of what you're saying for that matter? What you said is the exact same thing as if one were to hold them side by side and move the left gun slightly to the right when shooting it and the right gun slightly to the left likewise... There is no difference and the shooter is still likely to see inaccuracy all across the board.

[djjohn99]

well actualy i got that idea from devil may cry so it probaly wont work anyway

[CSSstravag]

You are thinking, and I give credence to that, but I have only one thing to note: video games, movies, television, these are not real life, and what works in the media does not work in real life. With having a decade of training and routine practice under my belt, I gave this a fair shake and still could not make it work right. The most recent dual wield I did (no video) came out worse than this one did. I have to conclude this is a hopeless, unprofessional movie stunt, should not be used IRL.

[hardcoreroberto]

ahh i see .........

allright ..........

nice

[hardcoreroberto]

tssss , let me give you a advice

one revolver , FIRST AIM THAN FIRE

[CSSstravag]

My friend, the whole point of this was to show why you do NOT use dual wield in real life. Every other video on here shows me aiming and firing, not pulling bullcrap stunts like this one. You can rest assured I do know how to aim.