WILLIAM BURROUGHS ON ALLEN GINSBERG

[thebeautifulman69]

ginsberg's father was right. burrooughs was a very corruptive influence. you dont have to be a homo or induldge in every sin in the world to be a great poet.

[14jwh]

@thebeautifulman69 I don't know how you could say burroughs was corruptive, jeez he was just a drug addict of the most severe form and a murderer and he only spent years trying to rope this young boy into an exclusive homosexual relationship, wouldn't you want your kids to meet a guy like that at the ivy league school u sent them to?

[jbwhitebird]

burroughs and ginsberg were a couple of useless poofters

[cinephilefromhell]

@jbwhitebird They at least used periods to finish their sentences.

[spd13062]

Burroughs was always decadent, but never a millionaire....he got a small stipend every month from his family, said to be $200.00 a month, for life. Sounds lowly these days, back then it was indeed a small fortune, and allowed Burroughs to live and write and do as he pleased.

[castingtherunes]

What was that?

[4thattempt85]

Could Cillian Murphy play a young Allen Ginsberg?

[andrewmoss92]

@glamourennui  Would you care to expand upon that vague and generalized statement? What about Ginsberg or his work do you think is "full of shit"?

[overban888]

burroughs was more of it

[wookie72]

While I thought Peter Weller did a good job in Naked Lunch (no matter the actual movie) I think the perfect Burroughs would be James Cromwell.

[wookie72]

He's like the coolest grandfather ever.

[Bryterlayter91]

@wookie72 Word.

[ShareTheSphere]

@wookie72 Yea,killed his wife and did not care he had a son.

The son died.

[wookie72]

@ShareTheSphere So he was not a very good person in real life. Neither was Kerouac (in fact, in many was Kerouac was worse). Neither was Timothy Leary. I was just talking about his image.

[thebeautifulman69]

@ShareTheSphere kerocac never cared about his daughter.

[ricfl10137]

@thebeautifulman69 how do you know? maybe he cared so much he never wrote about her.

[HISTORYBUFFPA]

"Was still in the grip of conformity"

Genius.

[knowfuture22172]

It will take at least another 100 years before people will really understand Burroughs' work and what he was trying to do with it and even then it's a maybe. People now don't get it. People now CAN'T get it. William S. Burroughs was at least 100 years ahead of his time with his writing. If you haven't read his work...read Franz Kafka and James Joyce first and work your way up to it.

[compactdisk2]

@knowfuture

I don't mean to be a prick, but anyone who claims that everyone else doesn't understand some artist probably doesn't have a deeper insight than those people.

WSB was an amazing writer, he had an incredible talent for rhythm and atmosphere, but some of his ideas were downright ludicrous. I love reading his work, but whenever he starts talking about his theories on psychology, or conspiracies, I just have to wonder how much better he could have been without the loopy misconceptions.

[FuttBucker667]

I love Burroughs but he's the only member of the Beat writers I enjoy. The rest of them - Kerouac, Ginsberg, Neil Cassidey, ect - annoy me. They remind me of those ostentatious, know-it-all college students. God, I hate them so much.

[lucky7monkey]

what about dr thompson, sir?

[FuttBucker667]

Thompson wasn't a part of the Beat Generation, I'm not even sure if he got to meet any of them. At any rate, I don't really care for him either. Now Celine or Miller, they were fucking writers.

[subsamadhi]

Henry Miller is great.He's kind of an early combination of Burroughs and Bukowski. Charles Bukowski is another writer who gets labeled as a "beat" author but who really had no connection at all with the original beats.

[wookie72]

@FuttBucker667 I doubt Thompson would have ever considered himself a Beat. He was proud of being part of New Journalism, along with Tom Wolfe and George Plimpton.

[FuttBucker667]

@wookie72 When did I say Thompson was a member of the Beats?

[wookie72]

@FuttBucker667 I thought you were responding to someone else who had said so. I was reiterating your statement.

[wigzy8]

yeh, conformity.

hes referring to ginsbergs younger years.

william burroughs looks so bloodline. elite illuminati bloodline that is, i have no doubt hes seen and done some dodgy fuckin shit. i read some shit about him and kurt cobain, weirdness.

[Marumasa]

He's talking about AG's dad, not him.

[compactdisk2]

@wigzy8 Illuminati? You're kidding, right?

[l300e]

Conformity

[vanillafudgecheese]

conformity.

[Anghdhpstr]

Conformity?

[dudeguy459]

the first thing that strikes me about burroughs is his eyes full of kindness you might never guess from his prose, what a complete and good person he is.

a lot of people when you look in their eyes you can tell they're dishonest or cruel maybe not in their actions but their thoughts. there is not a trace of that in him and i've never seen that.

[dudeguy459]

i think i really saw him in a dream i had, and he was talking to a psychotic woman and helping her into her seat as she babbled away, and looking at and listening to her so intently and with such a kindness it makes me sick to think most people just remember him as some kind of counterculture icon.

like that's all they know anyway. the fire of revolution. which is pretty sad to me.

[perksy10001]

yeah i can see how you get that impression, but it was more about the counterculture beat movement. They all played a part in both writtings and poetry.

[luv2bud]

I paid to see a poetry reading by Ginsberg, and I walked out within the first ten minutes.

[urckrecords]

what does he say at the end "Bill was...in the grip of____"

[urckrecords]

I meant Alan, not Bill

[clintnio]

conformity.

[josefabdon]

conformity.

[Synchrofool]

conformity.

[Tonymostrom]

"  " " ?

[myradioon]

"At that time Allen was still very in the grip of conformity."

[urckrecords]

thanks! was just at City Lights Books the other day, they've got some "Beat Museum" across the street between titty bars, has anybody been there?

[Synchrofool]

conformity.

[josefabdon]

conformity.

[zuesthelessor]

all these commentors of Ginsberg are just culture creating tools. Commissioned and authorized instigators.

[amarillista3d]

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[tayXtube]

Bill was the original gangsta.

[ssalemi]

WAY too short!

[SnamhDaEan]

It's worth it just for the image of Burroughs as "a decadent millionaire".

[mutobare]

no, I have that on video tho'...the documentary feature is titled 'BURROUGHS', W/footage/interviews with his brother and son. So much better than all the other films that try to support his vision or translate his ideas (cronenberg). I think it was released in '83-ish. thanks for the notes.

[mutobare]

too short.

[AllenGinsbergOM]

more coming.

[mutobare]

great...my comment was a compliment. I've been seeking a 16mm print of the BURROUGHS feature, which still seems rare.

[AllenGinsbergOM]

Towers Open Fire (1963) ?

[larrypearce2]

When?