GodCrearesGays2 put the main point in the field. The Bible does not dictate the lives of anyone under the U.S. Constitution. Our country, the U.S., needs to adapt as a majority of the world has; to allow gay marriage & full equal rights. This is the same as having slave auctions in D.C., before it was put to an end. But this can not be dealt with by Civil War, but simply by the Federal Government enforcing it.
We know that God has always created, loved & kept His gay children right here on His planet, as part of His divine plan. Sadly, Satan infiltrates people with feeble, corrupt minds, & manipulates them into falsely believing that being gay (or black or other ways God makes you) is "sinful" or "wrong". Of course it's not. The Lord creates diversity for a reason; He wants all His children to be accepted for what they are; to enjoy equal rights & respect. Sadly, the anti-gays work for the devil.
No offense, but homosexuality or any type of sexual relationship outside of a male/female marriage cannot be validated by the bible. I honestly couldn't care less what type of relationships people are in, my problem is with the attempt to redefine marriage. I have zero doubt that there are people who are tempted by the same sex, but it is a temptation just like pornography or any other type of fornication. Only God, through His Holy Spirit can remove these temptations or help..
@1776iscoming admits, "homosexuality or any type of sexual relationship outside of a male/female marriage cannot be validated by the bible."
So? The Bible is irrelevant where the law is concerned, and those who do not share your interpretation of it, or who don't believe in it at all, are under no obligation to acquiesce to its "rules".
@1776iscoming declares, "I was commenting on people's attempt to validate homosexuality with the bible, it can't be done."
Nor can anyone invalidate homosexuality by referring to a man-written, man-translated & man-interpreted book which is open to a myriad of interpretations. Yet you continue trumpeting your supposed ability to do so. If we all agree that the Bible is invalid in matters of civil law, which it definitely is, why refer to it in order to justify your discrimination?
@GodCreatesGays2 (cont'd) an individual resist these temptations. Sexual sin is very hard to resist, especially for men. But, I can tell you first hand that if you ask God for help, He will slowly, but surely, remove your desire for sin. I dealt with pornography and fornication for a long time, it wasn't until I gave my life to Christ and sincerely asked God for help knowing that I could not resist under my own power, that God removed my desire for this stuff. I do not believe homosexuality is..
@GodCreatesGays2 (cont'd) any more evil or wrong in the eyes of God than having premarital sex or looking at pornography as some people do. But to say that there is anything in scripture that points to God accepting any type of fornication outside of a male/female marriage that Jesus spoke about is absolutely impossible.
@GodCreatesGays2 You have it exactly backward. Satan preys on the weak, into believing that being a fag is not a sin. "or ther ways God made you" - God doesn't make choices like faggotry - Man makes those choices - and without God's guidance, those choices are usually wrong in His eyes, and will be judged as such.
@USAon3 babbles incoherently, "Satan preys on the weak, into believing that being a fag is not a sin."
Sadly, Satan has warped and contaminated your "mind" to the point where you can no longer distinguish between reality and fantasy. Perhaps one day you'll find the strength to pull your head out of the devil's rectum, and turn to the Lord. Rest assured, I will pray for you. God will forgive you if you repent your sins. Good luck.
Leftist power is finally coming through to allow the true separation of Government & religion. Took long enough. It gets even better, we did it so far with out violence, unlike the rightist.
@StolasUriel There is no seperation between government and religion, there are only restraints on the federal gov't in that they are not allowed to institute an official national religion, you would know that and why if you had any concept of why the founding fathers felt the need to put those restraints in place. Brainwashing our children to accept abnormal sexual lifestyles is as bad as any violent act. All of what we are seeing today, the destruction of our Constitution, the eroding of our..
@1776iscoming By saying that another person is "inferior", or using other words related to discriminating against that person or group of persons, is what you are suggesting. We currently live in a world of logical ideas, which will always come first in first & second class countries. The idea that people are left does not mean they are going against a group of people, or religious group, based on their ideas. The idea of being left is the idea of being logical, & noting equality.
@StolasUriel I never said that anybody is inferior, but to say that 2 male partners or 2 female partners are the equivalent of a man and woman is being dishonest. There is always somebody that is going to be "discriminated" against with ever law a society maintains. People under the age of 21 are discriminated against with alcohol laws, polygamist are discriminated against by marriage laws, etc. The state rewards a nuclear traditional family because it is good for society.
@1776iscoming You did not have to imply that one or another is inferior. Your wording suggest such, it is not needed to be said to imply it. In the eyes of the law, two same sex couples are the enlivenment of a man & a women. They lack the reproductive abilities, but hat does not matter. There have been scientific studies that show the harmful effects of alcohol on the developing bodies of the youth; which is why it has an age limit. The states now honor same sex marriage.
@1776iscoming (Continued) The states that do not honor it are defying the Constitution & thus should have their senators kicked from Congress. We live in a logical world currently. Through the years in which will pass, the non-logical thinking people will become a minority.; while the those who accept others will become a majority. When that day comes, there will be true democracy in the United States. For what we allow now is the equivalent of Black Codes.
@StolasUriel Wrong again, marriage is not a Constitutional right, states can deny it or accept it, but the Constitution has no bearing on whatever they decide. The Constitution restrains the federal gov't, marriage is not a Constitutional right, therefor it is a state's right.
@1776iscoming Federalism gives marriage to the states under Family law. The only federal agency that can overide that is the SCOTUS just like in interracial marriage.
There is no logic is changing the definition of a sacred bond that God instituted as a foreshadowing of Jesus' relationship to the church. But, I have no doubt, that at the rate this nation is declining that "gay marriage" will be a nationwide thing, not because of some type of enlightenment, but because this nation has become a moral cesspool and God's hand of blessing/restraint has been removed.
@1776iscoming If you remember, this nation that we live in is suppose to have full separation of religion & government. Currently, the Federal Government gives benefits to married couples. This is due to Capitalism, an true evil but required to drill in equality in some cases. allowing such a thing to occur. In the end the Federal Government will allow it, due to this also being a thing over money. No religion will determinate against any people in this country. Proof of leftist power working.
@1776iscoming I find it sad that you would see marriage as a moral cesspool simply because you don't agree with who is marrying. Can you tell us just how same sex marriage will harm marriage and your society?
@1776iscoming (Continued) True leftist power can be in many forms. May it be in the form of anarchism, communism, or others. But the forms base values promote peace & logical common sense in which are non-violent. The right to marry was never religious, it was more or less a business contract in its foundation. Religion added the values you see today, but the base idea still remains. This is not a religious matter, this is a matter of equal rights; rights being what one may do in our country.
@1776iscoming (Continued) People may marry what ever they wish, for it is their choice. But the idea remains that the other party must consent. Animals can not consent (in any way we know of) to such an agreement. Unless we find a way for it to be possible, it will not occur. There is no brainwashing of children; if anything they are being taught acceptance of others based on their beliefs. This should be taught in every public school in the United States. For equality breeds peace.
@StolasUriel So I ask, why exactly is consent even relevant any longer when the definition is being changed to mean something that has zero resemblance to how it's been defined for thousands of years? The most important parts of the marriage equation are 1 man and 1 woman, once one of those 2 are removed, it is no longer marriage. I can absolutely guarantee you within a couple of decades, "marriage" will be the union of 2 or more individuals, animals, etc. It's just natural progression. When..
(cont'd) the same people that want to totally redefine marriage do not give that same respect to people who want to marry an animal,etc, it's being hypocritical. Somebody is always going to claim being "discriminated" against, changing the definition now has set precedent, there is no way that you can now, not grant the same "right" to anybody else, no matter what type of sexual lifestyle they adhere to.
@1776iscoming (Continued, Final) If we did not teach the children which will bring our future, leaving laws such as Black Codes would make sense. By allowing such discrimination we allow our country to not be free. The Constitution of the U.S. promotes the freedom of choice & to not be dictated by a majority group or laws. If we promote the idea of peace & equality within our country, we make an example to the world. So far we have shown the world we do not do this.
(cont'd) rights, the increasing violence,etc are the result of the God-less, marxist left removing God's name from our society and schools. It's only going to get worse, if we are still around in 20 or 30 years, maybe sooner, you will see people demanding the "right" to marry animals or men demanding to marry children. You already see NAMBLA's, one of the pillars of liberalism, influence on the APA. Liberalism does nothing beneficial for society, in fact it is a society killer.
@1776, of course, your irrational fear-mongering is based on ignorance, paranoia & unfortunate "religious" indoctrination. Studies have revealed that lower IQs & intellectual limitations lead to conservatism & idiotic prejudice like yours. Heteros have been sexually abusing children (& even animals) since longer than you've been alive, but when have they demanded that child molestation & bestiality be accepted by law, just because str8s have the right to marry? Try to be rational.
Im just saying..... Two Mother's or Father's could not offer what ONE Mother and ONE Father can... You know our world is finished when same sex marriage is legalised... My views! dont like it? I dont like yours..
Washington State is about to become state #7 to legalize marriage equality!!! About time! The Christian Reich will not be allowed to trash the American Constitution to satisfy their sick need for unchallenged bigotry and supposed "moral superiority". Their time is up....We will not tolerate their intolerance.
@BostonCreamDonut WE KEEP DEFENDING HUMANS in God's expenses. 1 Corinthians 6:9 (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
Before you start shooting off your trap about Brian Brown, let me advise you: He is my Fraternal Brother. Both of us are Knights of Columbus. Both of us are proud of the work of our Honored Order.
Don't like it?
TOO BAD, junior.
I sincerely doubt Brian would even attempt to pass of someone else's rally as one of his own. That's not his style.
Oh, it takes less than 5 seconds for me to type "Time is precious".
sonnie? junior? I'm 36. Hardly a spring chicken. They do say that mind is the first to go...
"I sincerely doubt Brian would even attempt to pass of someone else's rally as one of his own. That's not his style."
He did it. It's right there. It was an Obama rally in 2008. This is not open for debate but eh... conservatives don't care about facts, it's just deny deny deny and LALALA I can't hear you.
I just reviewed my last email from NOM. While they advised me that the DOMA repeal proposal is being attached to the Defense bill, they did not ask for any contributions of money. All they asked was that I (and others) email our Senators and ask them to oppose this little maneuver. I've already done so.
@bearchewtoy75 I never said I wasn't a NOM supporter. I am. I also am involved with several groups that are concerned with this issue. NOM's email was one of three that I had not read prior to responding as I did earlier. Ever hear of AFA? The American Family Association? Great group, and supporters of traditional marriage. There is also a group of us on Facebook.
Your problem, junior, is that you seem to have very limited ability when it comes to "reading comprehension".
I've actually followed NOM pretty closely for the last few years and I've noticed that they're getting more and more desperate because they're starting to lose ground.
The lying is nothing new, but they're getting desperate because they know they're losing. They weren't able to keep marriage out of New York. There are more people supporting SSM than ever before. They're losing court case one after the other.
So, now they're resorting to just making stuff up.
They doctored a flyer to make themselves look like they had thousands of supports at their rallies, when usually it was a few dozen.
They got a "pants on fire" rating from Politifact when they said that the people of RI were against SSM. 60% support it.
They said that kids in Mass. Were currently being taught about gay marriage even though no school official could verify this claim and it was based on a few school books in one school over 6 years ago.
@bearchewtoy75 More lies from you. Nothing was "doctored" by them. Since you made the charge, it is up to you to PROVE IT! Unless you are able to provide ABSOLUTE proof, you're wasting your time and mine. I'm not going to let you waste any more of mine. Waste yours as much as you want. As a friend of mine once said in one of his many movies: "Time is precious".
Actually, let me clarify, it was a website, not a flyer. They used an unrelated campaign rally insinuating that it was a NOM rally. Twice.
Google "national organization for marriage obama rally flyer"
And before you starting whining about how they're liberal sites, Brian Brown, NOM President didn't exactly deny the claim: "They object to us using a photo of a crowd scene, which symbolizes the tens of thousands of New Hampshire voters who are part of our effort."
Now, I'm sure you're going to deny it or make some kind of excuse for NOM, but it is a FACT that they used an Obama rally with THOUSANDS of people and tried to pass it off as their own.
When they got caught, they said, "Oh, but it's SYMBOLIC."
@bearchewtoy75 In the course of this discussion, I have told no lies. I have given facts, as they are or were, to the best of my knowledge and belief.
End of discussion. You are not worth debating with because you don't debate. Go back to school and learn how to properly debate. One cardinal rule: never attack your opponent or his/her integrity. You've done just that, so I'll have nothing further to do with you.
Can anyone tell me how this issue is related to the Defense Authorization Bill? Senator Feinstein knows she does not have the votes to win on an up -or-down vote, so she has attached the DOMA repeal to the Defense Bill! One has NOTHING to do with the other! At least, the House will take it apart, and then kill DOMA repeal.
The fact remains that your bigoted views are dwindling.
People under the age of 30 overwhelmingly support marriage equality and as more of them come of age and older voters die off, these issues will be easily winnable.
Remember, voter initiatives can be can be overturned with other initiatives.
As for DOMA, more and more people are of the mindset that it is not the federal government place to tell the states what is and is not considered to be a marriage.
@bearchewtoy75 I trust my sources a lot more than I trust yours! And whoever said my source was NOM? If you think they are the only ones out there who favor retaining the traditional definition of marriage, I've got a bridge for sale, junior. Really cheap!
DOMA and the Defense Authorization bill are totally separate items, and Feinstein and her thugs have no business even thinking of attaching this to the Defense bill...unless they are desparate, of course.
"Feinstein and her thugs have no business even thinking of attaching this to the Defense bill"
That's very good considering she's not doing it. But I realize that you're conservative so you don't like to worry about pesky things like facts, so I naturally assumed you got your info from NOM.
I am fully aware that NOM is not the only who want to deny gay couples the right to a CIVIL marriage, but they are perpetuating the lie that she is attaching this to the defense bill.
Besides everyone who supports marriage equality is fully aware that DOMA repeal has zero chance of passing the House, so NOM is using it as an excuse to beg for money and to scare people like yourself into thinking that repeal would mean disaster.
"Marriage: One man and one woman. PERIOD!"
I thought it was supposed to be One man and one woman FOR LIFE. What efforts do you support that would ban divorce?
This gay marriage stuff is getting out of hand, when will ppl realize that Marriage is a sacred bond between a MAN and a WOMAN? I don't hate gays and God doesn't hate them either, but this has to stop.
This is about CIVIL marriage. Not marriage in your church. Christians do not get to lay claim to the institution as theirs and theirs alone. Muslims can get married. Atheists, too.
Same sex marriage could be legal in all 50 states tomorrow and NOT ONE church would be forced to perform the weddings or to recognize them as valid.
There was a time when only a handful of states allowed interracial marriage or women to vote. 2011 marks the first time the majority of American favor legalizing same sex marriage.
@bearchewtoy75 THAT is pure nonsense. The majority of Americans favor keeping Marriage as the union of one man and one woman. So far, REAL Marriage has won 31 out of 31 times when the PEOPLE have had the chance to vote on it. Now the dems are showing how desparate they are by trying to attach the DOMA repeal to the Defense Authorization bill. How low can anyone go? Feinstein knows she does not have the votes to win on a straight, up or down vote, so she's trying this last gasp effort. How crude.
This year Gallup polls showed that the majority of American support same sex marriage for the firs time.
"(Reuters) - Fifty-three percent of Americans support making gay marriage legal, a Gallup poll showed on Friday, a marked reversal from just a year ago when an equal majority opposed same-sex matrimony."
LA times: "46% of Americans surveyed support legalizing same-sex marriage and 44% are opposed."
I don't buy the idea of 54% - 44%. States that have voted on the issue have voted overwhelmingly to retain marriage as it has traditionally been: one man and one woman. To my memory, none of those states have even been close. Where she gets the 54-44% is beyond me.
you homophobes are really confused, when will you realize that its not a sickness or a choice? im straight an i never could choose to be gay just lik you ignorant bastords dont choose to be gay. so why do you think gays could be straight?? why would you wanna make them be somethin there not? if you could never be gay and they never can be straight its because its who you are.respect all people!!!
All I want is equal rights. I don't wish to be married in a church, in fact i want nothing to do with religion, what's wrong with that. Can two atheists be married? Can two people that cannot have children be married? YES. It is not a matter of man, woman or religion, but of love. Stop thinking what you believe is right for us all. It's not.
@isolabella88 dont call it marriage it insults man and woman two athiest CAN get married because they are not homos male creatures go with female creatures it applies to everything and then gays showed up and ever since then there has been controversy we dont want any more gays walking the streets influencing children to experiment i also believe adoption is out of the question
@raptorhunter104 Why don't you see what it's like to be a homosexual? This is complete discrimination. I want to make something clear: Gay people do not go up to children and tell them that they should become a homosexual. Homosexuality is not a choice, and it sickens the shit out of me that people don't realize that. Think about it, why are gay teens pushed to the brink of suicide, when all they would have to do is become heterosexual? What would me marrying a man do to you, as I don't know you
@george7996 THAT THEORY ABOUT GAYS BEING BORN HOMOSEXUAL IS BEING PROVEN FALSE ITS CHOICE and of course gays arent going to go up to children directly but the problem is kids when they are young they are stupid and what they see is what they learn if a child sees superman on tv hell pretend he could fly butwhen he sees kids doing drugs and they say how good it feels they try it too and become hooked IF THEY SEE A GAY COUPLE THEY WILL THINK ITS OK TO GO ON DATES WITH THEIR OWN GENDER
@george7996 i would also like to add that marrying a man could pull down your social life and what if they want to adopt then if they get that right and get a child the child will grow up either growing up gay , being made fun of for a long time or both these children will feel out of place then the cycle goes on two gays get marry adopt more gays and more and more we musn't way if we want this country to live on we have to take action and stop gays from marrying before things get any worse!!
@raptorhunter104 I'm not going to waste my time, but if homosexuality was a choice, then I wouldn't be a homosexual. Also, there is nothing wrong with dating the same gender, and gay couples raise straight children. Think about it; didn't heterosexual couples raise gay children? I know I was.
@george7996 well it may be true that hetersexual couples sometimes end up with gay children but that was choice and its not really safe for homosexual relation there are more chances of getting deseases like aids its for the good of the world
@raptorhunter104 Really, because I don't think I chose. Listen, if you don't approve of homosexuality, then stop concerning yourself with it. Anyone can get aids. Plus, I can think of many other things that really ARE bad for the world. Their are more important issues, such as war, starvation, the recession, etc. People with your homophobia are too ignorant to realize that homosexuality shouldn't even matter.
@george7996 war starvation and recession ARE problems that we also have i agree with you on that but as long as we CAN do SOMETHING for our country then we should.......and homosexuality is something we should get rid of now and later we can work on the other topics we have to take baby steps solve what you can now and leave the rest for later
If the gay supporters here have a problem with CONSENSUAL polygamy and incest marriage....they are FACTUALLY a hypocrite or a polygamy/incest-phobic BIGOT. It's one or the other.
Opponents of Same Sex Marriage in Canada predicted the collapse of "traditional" marriage when same sex marriage was legalized six years ago. My marriage is still stable and I don't know of any heterosexual marriages that have collapsed because of legalized same sex marriage. How does it affect heterosexuals if gays are allowed to marry? It doesn't mean you HAVE to marry someone of the same sex. If you don't believe in same sex marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex.
It's insulting to compare same- sex marriage to the civil rights. The last time I checked Their was no lynching of gays, no dogs was set upon them, they were not on the slave ships with chains on their necks, hands and feet.
Gays is not a RACE! What next gays adults marrying gay children
For those of you who agree the homo sexuality is wrong we have a place to meet and talk come to xNoHomosexualityx channel, were we can support stoping homosexuality!
How can you stop homosexuality? Are you going to put us in concentration camps? No matter what you do or say theres absolutely NOTHING you can do to stop us. We are human beings just like you. and we have feelings just like you.
@samuel408 The more people we have against disgusting beliefs like yours the less support you have. The less support you have the quicker you'll fade away from history.
First of all, how are we disgusting? We do everything like straight people do. We go to school, go to work, help people. If your thinking about sexual stuff then we do it like straight people as well; we kiss, we hug, and some straight couples do it in the ass too. Like i said your just wasting your time rallying people to "stop homosexuality". Your never going to win and every year young people are opening their minds to see that equality happens.
@samuel408 Its not natural its a choice and its the wrong one. Man was meant to be with a women spread his seed. It's how we advance as a human race. We can have a future without gay people. Gay people have no future. It is sick and that's why many people seek help for it even thou the gay community rushes to deny this.
@danamariegordon You know what I don't get is this. When same sex marriage was legal in CA, for the short time that it was, Churches weren't required to perform those ceremonies. So clearly most people were against same sex rights, because that's exactly what resulted when prop 8 passed. Even for the marriages that took place and became legal prior to the passing of prop 8 and are legally recognized as legal marriage, they lost their rights because they were same sex.
@danamariegordon For married couples U.S. citizens and legal residents can sponsor their spouses and family members for immigration. For Civil Union Couples U.S. citizens and legal residents cannot sponsor non-legal spouses or family. So if you're against same sex marriage, then what you're really say is you're ok with them being together but not ok with them having any legal rights.
@danamariegordon In the case of a partner's death in a marriage the spouse receives any earned Social Security or veteran benefits. In the case of a Civil Union partners do not receive Social Security or any other government benefits in case of death. In case of divorce spouses are bound to provide financial support for children. In a Civil Union dissolution no spousal or child support is required or guaranteed.
@danamariegordon And the problem is that not allowing same sex couples to legally get married denies them certain rights as a couple. Married couples can file taxes jointly. Same sex unions can only file jointly in the state in which their union was held. Married partners can gift to each other without tax penalty, civil union partners can only gift to each other without state tax penalty but still have to pay federal tax.
@danamariegordon I don't think Churches should be forced to perform marriages they don't agree with, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to get married at all. You can have a non-religious wedding outside of a church. My marriage wasn't religious.
@danamariegordon I don't think allowing people of the same sex to get married is going to make me love my husband any less. It's not going to change my relationship with my husband. I wouldn't get a divorce and put my son up for adoption over the legality of same sex marriage. So what exactly would same sex marriage do to married couples that would somehow diminish their marriage? If you feel it would some how change your relationship with your spouse then I feel sorry for you.
@danamariegordon A justice of the peace can legally marry a couple. Weddings don't have to be denominational. I didn't have a religious wedding. My husband and I are atheists. Plus again I HAVE to ask, how exactly is marriage being corrupted. If a same sex couple gets married that doesn't diminish or corrupt MY marriage in any way. My husband and I love each other and have a strong commitment to each other and our son. ...
@oddtreenow2 would change. Should that mean that inter-racial marriages shouldn't be allowed to take place in Louisiana? That that couple shouldn't have been allowed to get married at all? No. It doesn't matter who likes it and who doesn't, heterosexual couples are allowed to marry anyone of any race. The point is, you don't have to like same sex marriage. But that shouldn't give you the right to tell same sex couples that they're not allowed to get married.
@oddtreenow2 I don't think he should be forced to perform weddings he doesn't agree with, because frankly I would hate to know that a bigot had performed my ceremony. But the fact is that weather he agreed with it or not, he couldn't enforce his opinion on the couple. They were still able to go somewhere else and get married. I wonder what would happen though if they put inter-racial marriage to a vote in a state like Louisiana? I think there's a good chance the law in that state...continued
@oddtreenow2 "It's like there is a "you're with us or you're against us" mentality." That's not true at all. It's a "Mind you're own damn business" mentality. I'm a white woman married to a black man. A couple of years ago a Justice of the Peace in Louisiana refused a marriage license to an inter-racial couple because he didn't think inter-racial couples should be allowed to marry. So they went to someone else to marry them. Ok, so I don't like his point of view...continued
Although i'd prolly feel a bit awkward when attending a same-sex marriage (well, after some booze the awkwardness would probably fade =) ) i'm proud to live in a country where same-sex marriage and same-sex adoption are both fully legalised. Gays and lesbians deserve the same rights as us, they deserve the right to create a bonding with (well at least to them, i think marriage is overrated anyway) as much value as marriage between heterosexuals. As stated below, IT IS NOT OUR BUSINESS
@oddtreenow2 Even if homosexuality isn't innate- why does that matter? Two consenting human beings want to enter into a legal contract. IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS. This shouldn't even be about sex or love- this should be about a human's legal right to enter into a government-based contract with another consenting adult person. The face of the matter is, that denying two people of the same sex the right to enter the contract is SEXIST- and that's as simple as it gets.
@oddtreenow2 I'm not quite sure I understand your comment. I get that you're straight and that you're saying you're not afraid of homosexuals but if you're not why do care so much about other people's sexual orientation?
@oddtreenow2 Have you ever imagined what it would be like to fall in love with someone and be lucky enough to have that person love you back and then have people you don't even know telling you it's wrong for the two of you to be together, telling you it's a sin, telling you your desire to be with your soulmate is sick?
BTW, you have a phobia about homosexuals (I can tell they make you uncomfortable), QED, you're Homophobic. You should get used to this accept it. maybe then you'd accept others
As a lesbian I'm so glad to live in Canada, and I really hope America will be able to allow gay marriage in every state, someday. It's not like it's going to hurt anybody if two people of the same gender are allowed express their love just as every human being needs to.
@digataplusavatarfan been brainwashed with their entire lives. I lived in Mesa for 3 years and even there I noticed how unaware people were. I wanted to celebrate Hanukkah one year and wanted to buy nothing more than a cheap little plastic dreidel and fill it gelt for my son. I had to call 3 different stores to find it and no one I spoke to even knew what I was talking about. One store I spoke to someone who excitedly said "Hold on, we have a Jew that works here!" ...
@digataplusavatarfan and then spent 20 minutes on hold waiting for "The Jew" who worked at the store to come to the phone. Seriously, every Christmas we have the cross and Jesus and nativity scenes shoved in our faces every where you look but in the city of Mesa I could only find 1 person out of 3 stores who knew what a dreidel was? It was a sad SAD shock.
@digataplusavatarfan I don't know what happened to the first part of my response. It didn't get posted somehow. But what it said was that even Spain, one of the most Catholic Countries allows same sex marriage. And this country is backward because, though you do have large cities where people are more enlightened, diverse and educated, most of this country consists of a bunch of small towns where people have...
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@majidalove shut your mouth hater. People like you have always been the problem. It's the same old story, people shouting, "It's the fault of the [Please pick one of the following: Gays, Blacks, Muslims, Women, Immigrants, Jews, Asains, Etc]." It's not true, it's just intolerance and it's getting old.
If you were really hones you'd write, "I don't understand Gays and things I don't understand make me feel uncomfortable and stupid and lashing out is easier than introspection and understanding."
Technically speaking, marriage is reserved for a man and woman. It is a sacred path both embark on in hopes of procreating and starting a family. Sharing this term with homosexuals degrades its meaning and makes a mockery of it. What is wrong with wanting to preserve it's tradtional meaning?
@jewelfewel Uhm, actually, marriage isn't a "sacred union" for everyone. It may be for the religious couples, what about people that don't associate with religion? How the fuck does allowing homosexuals to get married "degrade" marriage? Like, you're actually fucking retarded.
@jewelfewel I've been with my husband for 12 years and married for almost 9 we have a wonderful son together. I don't see how two people of the same sex getting married degrades my relationship at all. I don't think I'm going to get a divorce and put my son up for adoption if gays and lesbians are allowed to marry each other. I don't think I will have any less sex, or any less fun or love my husband any less. I don't see how this affects my relationship at all.
people who are saying hateful things to/about homosexuals NEED to stop. and people saying hateful things/to about heterosexuals NEED to stop.
there's something that no one seems to understand: Christians aren't supposed to judge others, BUT, that doesn't mean don't question things! our society tells us that everything everyone wants to do is ok, and no one should say anything about it. there's a difference between judging a person, and questioning whether their actions are right.
Gays. Keep up your bullshit and us homophobics will always fight back. You can fuck with other people (double meaning in that), but you can't fuck with God.
The fact of the matter is there is no more evidence for your superstition than there is for Zeus. In fact, Speciation and by extension, evolution, nullifies in totality the first verses of genesis. So please leave the superstitious rhetoric to your church. Secular nations are not run by the Taliban, as the seperation of church and state applies.
@LeeRLang The truth of the matter is No one should have the right to say who can or can not marry. Ministers can refuse to preform the ceramoney however there will always be some ministers out there who will prefforme it. Personaly I will and I do not cair what the government says If an ordained minister preformes the ceramoney the couple are married in gods eyes reguardless what the state says.
@LeeRLang One of the problems with forums like this is that we can post something in the heat of the moment and regret it afterwards. Judging from your other posts, I don't think you are a bigot, but this was the first of your posts that I read and, being a senior, I didn't appreciate it. What if you'd said,"We just have to wait for the gay or black or female or heterosexual or young... shitty people to die off." I think there are just as many young homophobes posting here as old farts.
@PHJimY Perhaps my comment came across to strongly. First keep in mind this is all a matter of opinion. Ok, I wasn't saying that all old people are shitty, but the particularly old people whom I find shitty, I would rather have them die off faster than the non-shitty people. Their are plenty of shitty black, gay, female, heterosexual, and young people. I used 'died off' because typically when your of an old age your opinion isn't going to change, and are closer to death than everyone else.
So, let me get this straight...Charlie Sheen can make a "porn family", Kelsey Grammer can end a 15 year marriage over the phone, Larry King can be on divorce #9, Britney Spears had a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods, while married, were having sex with EVERYONE. Yet, the idea of same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage? Really? Re-post if you are proud to support equal rights.
See also: "the lifestyle you live makes me uncomfortable, which is justification enough to keep you from your loved-one's deathbed should the unthinkable happen, to keep you from collecting life insurance, to keep you from adopting children, and to keep you from enjoying the 1,000-odd legal benefits entitled to heterosexual couples ONLY.
This is for your own good, and for the good of the country."
@iplaycello1 marriage=mother's duty, is an istitution for reproduction, have no sense ask for same sex marriage, is like i ask to be a mother (i'm a man) happy now?
Yeah... Let me bring up two points, Voting on things like Gay Marriage, is against the Constitution. You should be able to have your own opinions:Yes. Should you try to enforce them, if there is no danger from them: HELL NO! And also, politics says, "Don't let religion get in the way of your political views/
@metallicaownsme It's nearly impossible to avoid, regardless of whether or not it's constitutional. People are going to legislate their own morality, why do you think other demographics such as blacks and women were so restricted? It obviously wasn't constitutional, but they did whatever they could to keep them down. To me, people are desperate to control somebody else.
It's sad. Today we are more free than we ever were, yet people are still convinced that we are turning to communism.
I dont get why this is an issue. What official of a Christian church or any other religion is going to wed a gay couple? As far as i see it this isn't an issue of the public accepting gays but government involvement in church matters.
GodCrearesGays2 put the main point in the field. The Bible does not dictate the lives of anyone under the U.S. Constitution. Our country, the U.S., needs to adapt as a majority of the world has; to allow gay marriage & full equal rights. This is the same as having slave auctions in D.C., before it was put to an end. But this can not be dealt with by Civil War, but simply by the Federal Government enforcing it.
StolasUriel 3 weeks ago
We know that God has always created, loved & kept His gay children right here on His planet, as part of His divine plan. Sadly, Satan infiltrates people with feeble, corrupt minds, & manipulates them into falsely believing that being gay (or black or other ways God makes you) is "sinful" or "wrong". Of course it's not. The Lord creates diversity for a reason; He wants all His children to be accepted for what they are; to enjoy equal rights & respect. Sadly, the anti-gays work for the devil.
GodCreatesGays2 4 weeks ago
@GodCreatesGays2
No offense, but homosexuality or any type of sexual relationship outside of a male/female marriage cannot be validated by the bible. I honestly couldn't care less what type of relationships people are in, my problem is with the attempt to redefine marriage. I have zero doubt that there are people who are tempted by the same sex, but it is a temptation just like pornography or any other type of fornication. Only God, through His Holy Spirit can remove these temptations or help..
1776iscoming 4 weeks ago
@1776iscoming admits, "homosexuality or any type of sexual relationship outside of a male/female marriage cannot be validated by the bible."
So? The Bible is irrelevant where the law is concerned, and those who do not share your interpretation of it, or who don't believe in it at all, are under no obligation to acquiesce to its "rules".
GodCreatesGays2 4 weeks ago
@GodCreatesGays2 I was commenting on people's attempt to validate homosexuality with the bible, it can't be done.
1776iscoming 3 weeks ago
@1776iscoming declares, "I was commenting on people's attempt to validate homosexuality with the bible, it can't be done."
Nor can anyone invalidate homosexuality by referring to a man-written, man-translated & man-interpreted book which is open to a myriad of interpretations. Yet you continue trumpeting your supposed ability to do so. If we all agree that the Bible is invalid in matters of civil law, which it definitely is, why refer to it in order to justify your discrimination?
GodCreatesGays2 3 weeks ago
@GodCreatesGays2 (cont'd) an individual resist these temptations. Sexual sin is very hard to resist, especially for men. But, I can tell you first hand that if you ask God for help, He will slowly, but surely, remove your desire for sin. I dealt with pornography and fornication for a long time, it wasn't until I gave my life to Christ and sincerely asked God for help knowing that I could not resist under my own power, that God removed my desire for this stuff. I do not believe homosexuality is..
1776iscoming 4 weeks ago
@GodCreatesGays2 (cont'd) any more evil or wrong in the eyes of God than having premarital sex or looking at pornography as some people do. But to say that there is anything in scripture that points to God accepting any type of fornication outside of a male/female marriage that Jesus spoke about is absolutely impossible.
1776iscoming 4 weeks ago
@GodCreatesGays2 You have it exactly backward. Satan preys on the weak, into believing that being a fag is not a sin. "or ther ways God made you" - God doesn't make choices like faggotry - Man makes those choices - and without God's guidance, those choices are usually wrong in His eyes, and will be judged as such.
USAon3 3 weeks ago
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@USAon3 babbles incoherently, "Satan preys on the weak, into believing that being a fag is not a sin."
Sadly, Satan has warped and contaminated your "mind" to the point where you can no longer distinguish between reality and fantasy. Perhaps one day you'll find the strength to pull your head out of the devil's rectum, and turn to the Lord. Rest assured, I will pray for you. God will forgive you if you repent your sins. Good luck.
GodCreatesGays2 3 weeks ago
Leftist power is finally coming through to allow the true separation of Government & religion. Took long enough. It gets even better, we did it so far with out violence, unlike the rightist.
StolasUriel 1 month ago
@StolasUriel There is no seperation between government and religion, there are only restraints on the federal gov't in that they are not allowed to institute an official national religion, you would know that and why if you had any concept of why the founding fathers felt the need to put those restraints in place. Brainwashing our children to accept abnormal sexual lifestyles is as bad as any violent act. All of what we are seeing today, the destruction of our Constitution, the eroding of our..
1776iscoming 4 weeks ago
@1776iscoming By saying that another person is "inferior", or using other words related to discriminating against that person or group of persons, is what you are suggesting. We currently live in a world of logical ideas, which will always come first in first & second class countries. The idea that people are left does not mean they are going against a group of people, or religious group, based on their ideas. The idea of being left is the idea of being logical, & noting equality.
StolasUriel 4 weeks ago
@StolasUriel I never said that anybody is inferior, but to say that 2 male partners or 2 female partners are the equivalent of a man and woman is being dishonest. There is always somebody that is going to be "discriminated" against with ever law a society maintains. People under the age of 21 are discriminated against with alcohol laws, polygamist are discriminated against by marriage laws, etc. The state rewards a nuclear traditional family because it is good for society.
1776iscoming 4 weeks ago
@1776iscoming You did not have to imply that one or another is inferior. Your wording suggest such, it is not needed to be said to imply it. In the eyes of the law, two same sex couples are the enlivenment of a man & a women. They lack the reproductive abilities, but hat does not matter. There have been scientific studies that show the harmful effects of alcohol on the developing bodies of the youth; which is why it has an age limit. The states now honor same sex marriage.
StolasUriel 3 weeks ago
@1776iscoming (Continued) The states that do not honor it are defying the Constitution & thus should have their senators kicked from Congress. We live in a logical world currently. Through the years in which will pass, the non-logical thinking people will become a minority.; while the those who accept others will become a majority. When that day comes, there will be true democracy in the United States. For what we allow now is the equivalent of Black Codes.
StolasUriel 3 weeks ago
@StolasUriel Wrong again, marriage is not a Constitutional right, states can deny it or accept it, but the Constitution has no bearing on whatever they decide. The Constitution restrains the federal gov't, marriage is not a Constitutional right, therefor it is a state's right.
1776iscoming 3 weeks ago
@1776iscoming Federalism gives marriage to the states under Family law. The only federal agency that can overide that is the SCOTUS just like in interracial marriage.
jfsfrnd 3 weeks ago
@StolasUriel
There is no logic is changing the definition of a sacred bond that God instituted as a foreshadowing of Jesus' relationship to the church. But, I have no doubt, that at the rate this nation is declining that "gay marriage" will be a nationwide thing, not because of some type of enlightenment, but because this nation has become a moral cesspool and God's hand of blessing/restraint has been removed.
1776iscoming 3 weeks ago
@1776iscoming If you remember, this nation that we live in is suppose to have full separation of religion & government. Currently, the Federal Government gives benefits to married couples. This is due to Capitalism, an true evil but required to drill in equality in some cases. allowing such a thing to occur. In the end the Federal Government will allow it, due to this also being a thing over money. No religion will determinate against any people in this country. Proof of leftist power working.
StolasUriel 3 weeks ago
@1776iscoming I find it sad that you would see marriage as a moral cesspool simply because you don't agree with who is marrying. Can you tell us just how same sex marriage will harm marriage and your society?
jfsfrnd 3 weeks ago
@1776iscoming (Continued) True leftist power can be in many forms. May it be in the form of anarchism, communism, or others. But the forms base values promote peace & logical common sense in which are non-violent. The right to marry was never religious, it was more or less a business contract in its foundation. Religion added the values you see today, but the base idea still remains. This is not a religious matter, this is a matter of equal rights; rights being what one may do in our country.
StolasUriel 4 weeks ago
@1776iscoming (Continued) People may marry what ever they wish, for it is their choice. But the idea remains that the other party must consent. Animals can not consent (in any way we know of) to such an agreement. Unless we find a way for it to be possible, it will not occur. There is no brainwashing of children; if anything they are being taught acceptance of others based on their beliefs. This should be taught in every public school in the United States. For equality breeds peace.
StolasUriel 4 weeks ago
@StolasUriel So I ask, why exactly is consent even relevant any longer when the definition is being changed to mean something that has zero resemblance to how it's been defined for thousands of years? The most important parts of the marriage equation are 1 man and 1 woman, once one of those 2 are removed, it is no longer marriage. I can absolutely guarantee you within a couple of decades, "marriage" will be the union of 2 or more individuals, animals, etc. It's just natural progression. When..
1776iscoming 4 weeks ago
(cont'd) the same people that want to totally redefine marriage do not give that same respect to people who want to marry an animal,etc, it's being hypocritical. Somebody is always going to claim being "discriminated" against, changing the definition now has set precedent, there is no way that you can now, not grant the same "right" to anybody else, no matter what type of sexual lifestyle they adhere to.
1776iscoming 4 weeks ago
@1776iscoming (Continued, Final) If we did not teach the children which will bring our future, leaving laws such as Black Codes would make sense. By allowing such discrimination we allow our country to not be free. The Constitution of the U.S. promotes the freedom of choice & to not be dictated by a majority group or laws. If we promote the idea of peace & equality within our country, we make an example to the world. So far we have shown the world we do not do this.
StolasUriel 4 weeks ago
(cont'd) rights, the increasing violence,etc are the result of the God-less, marxist left removing God's name from our society and schools. It's only going to get worse, if we are still around in 20 or 30 years, maybe sooner, you will see people demanding the "right" to marry animals or men demanding to marry children. You already see NAMBLA's, one of the pillars of liberalism, influence on the APA. Liberalism does nothing beneficial for society, in fact it is a society killer.
1776iscoming 4 weeks ago
@1776, of course, your irrational fear-mongering is based on ignorance, paranoia & unfortunate "religious" indoctrination. Studies have revealed that lower IQs & intellectual limitations lead to conservatism & idiotic prejudice like yours. Heteros have been sexually abusing children (& even animals) since longer than you've been alive, but when have they demanded that child molestation & bestiality be accepted by law, just because str8s have the right to marry? Try to be rational.
GodCreatesGays2 4 weeks ago
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Im just saying..... Two Mother's or Father's could not offer what ONE Mother and ONE Father can... You know our world is finished when same sex marriage is legalised... My views! dont like it? I dont like yours..
Thegthatkillsall 1 month ago
Washington State is about to become state #7 to legalize marriage equality!!! About time! The Christian Reich will not be allowed to trash the American Constitution to satisfy their sick need for unchallenged bigotry and supposed "moral superiority". Their time is up....We will not tolerate their intolerance.
SeattleRexx 2 months ago 2
The US sings Land of the free? living in the land of the free any human can marry another human.
BostonCreamDonut 2 months ago
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@BostonCreamDonut WE KEEP DEFENDING HUMANS in God's expenses. 1 Corinthians 6:9 (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
THEHELENOHENZO 2 months ago
Before you start shooting off your trap about Brian Brown, let me advise you: He is my Fraternal Brother. Both of us are Knights of Columbus. Both of us are proud of the work of our Honored Order.
Don't like it?
TOO BAD, junior.
I sincerely doubt Brian would even attempt to pass of someone else's rally as one of his own. That's not his style.
Oh, it takes less than 5 seconds for me to type "Time is precious".
Goodbye, sonny.
DeedsResearcher 3 months ago
sonnie? junior? I'm 36. Hardly a spring chicken. They do say that mind is the first to go...
"I sincerely doubt Brian would even attempt to pass of someone else's rally as one of his own. That's not his style."
He did it. It's right there. It was an Obama rally in 2008. This is not open for debate but eh... conservatives don't care about facts, it's just deny deny deny and LALALA I can't hear you.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
I just reviewed my last email from NOM. While they advised me that the DOMA repeal proposal is being attached to the Defense bill, they did not ask for any contributions of money. All they asked was that I (and others) email our Senators and ask them to oppose this little maneuver. I've already done so.
DeedsResearcher 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
They may not have in that email, but they usually use their lies as part of their fundraising efforts.
Gotta keep the people scared of them evil queers!
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
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@DeedsResearcher
"whoever said my source was NOM?"
"I just reviewed my last email from NOM."
Just caught you in a lie!
I guess that is proof you're NOM supporter... So, how much did you buy that bridge for?
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 I never said I wasn't a NOM supporter. I am. I also am involved with several groups that are concerned with this issue. NOM's email was one of three that I had not read prior to responding as I did earlier. Ever hear of AFA? The American Family Association? Great group, and supporters of traditional marriage. There is also a group of us on Facebook.
Your problem, junior, is that you seem to have very limited ability when it comes to "reading comprehension".
DeedsResearcher 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
I've actually followed NOM pretty closely for the last few years and I've noticed that they're getting more and more desperate because they're starting to lose ground.
The lying is nothing new, but they're getting desperate because they know they're losing. They weren't able to keep marriage out of New York. There are more people supporting SSM than ever before. They're losing court case one after the other.
So, now they're resorting to just making stuff up.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
They doctored a flyer to make themselves look like they had thousands of supports at their rallies, when usually it was a few dozen.
They got a "pants on fire" rating from Politifact when they said that the people of RI were against SSM. 60% support it.
They said that kids in Mass. Were currently being taught about gay marriage even though no school official could verify this claim and it was based on a few school books in one school over 6 years ago.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 More lies from you. Nothing was "doctored" by them. Since you made the charge, it is up to you to PROVE IT! Unless you are able to provide ABSOLUTE proof, you're wasting your time and mine. I'm not going to let you waste any more of mine. Waste yours as much as you want. As a friend of mine once said in one of his many movies: "Time is precious".
DeedsResearcher 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
Actually, let me clarify, it was a website, not a flyer. They used an unrelated campaign rally insinuating that it was a NOM rally. Twice.
Google "national organization for marriage obama rally flyer"
And before you starting whining about how they're liberal sites, Brian Brown, NOM President didn't exactly deny the claim: "They object to us using a photo of a crowd scene, which symbolizes the tens of thousands of New Hampshire voters who are part of our effort."
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
"Time is precious".
That took 30 seconds.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
So, let's see. I caught you in a lie already.
I proved to you what I was talking about.
Now, I'm sure you're going to deny it or make some kind of excuse for NOM, but it is a FACT that they used an Obama rally with THOUSANDS of people and tried to pass it off as their own.
When they got caught, they said, "Oh, but it's SYMBOLIC."
They lied.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 In the course of this discussion, I have told no lies. I have given facts, as they are or were, to the best of my knowledge and belief.
End of discussion. You are not worth debating with because you don't debate. Go back to school and learn how to properly debate. One cardinal rule: never attack your opponent or his/her integrity. You've done just that, so I'll have nothing further to do with you.
DeedsResearcher 3 months ago
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@DeedsResearcher
pussy.
You've been beat. You just don't want to admit it.
You refuse to acknowledge lies when they're spoon fed to you.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
"One cardinal rule: never attack your opponent or his/her integrity."
You lied. End of story.
You said that you didn't get your info from NOM and then turned around and said that you reviewed the email that NOM sent.
And then when I spoon fed you the truth behind your "brother" Brian's lies AT YOUR INSISTENCE, you just brushed it off.
And you're whining about your integrity (which obviously doesn't exist) being attacked? REALLY?
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
Can anyone tell me how this issue is related to the Defense Authorization Bill? Senator Feinstein knows she does not have the votes to win on an up -or-down vote, so she has attached the DOMA repeal to the Defense Bill! One has NOTHING to do with the other! At least, the House will take it apart, and then kill DOMA repeal.
Marriage: One man and one woman. PERIOD!
DeedsResearcher 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
The fact remains that your bigoted views are dwindling.
People under the age of 30 overwhelmingly support marriage equality and as more of them come of age and older voters die off, these issues will be easily winnable.
Remember, voter initiatives can be can be overturned with other initiatives.
As for DOMA, more and more people are of the mindset that it is not the federal government place to tell the states what is and is not considered to be a marriage.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
BTW, DOMA is not being attached to the defense bill, it's yet another lie created by the National Organization for Marriage.
From @Chrisgeinder on Twitter:
Feinstein spox: "It is not true that Sen. Feinstein is 'threatening to attach [#DOMA repeal] to the Defense Authorization Bill.'" @NOMtweets
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 I trust my sources a lot more than I trust yours! And whoever said my source was NOM? If you think they are the only ones out there who favor retaining the traditional definition of marriage, I've got a bridge for sale, junior. Really cheap!
DOMA and the Defense Authorization bill are totally separate items, and Feinstein and her thugs have no business even thinking of attaching this to the Defense bill...unless they are desparate, of course.
DeedsResearcher 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
"Feinstein and her thugs have no business even thinking of attaching this to the Defense bill"
That's very good considering she's not doing it. But I realize that you're conservative so you don't like to worry about pesky things like facts, so I naturally assumed you got your info from NOM.
I am fully aware that NOM is not the only who want to deny gay couples the right to a CIVIL marriage, but they are perpetuating the lie that she is attaching this to the defense bill.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
Besides everyone who supports marriage equality is fully aware that DOMA repeal has zero chance of passing the House, so NOM is using it as an excuse to beg for money and to scare people like yourself into thinking that repeal would mean disaster.
"Marriage: One man and one woman. PERIOD!"
I thought it was supposed to be One man and one woman FOR LIFE. What efforts do you support that would ban divorce?
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
This gay marriage stuff is getting out of hand, when will ppl realize that Marriage is a sacred bond between a MAN and a WOMAN? I don't hate gays and God doesn't hate them either, but this has to stop.
TheGoldenAngel150 3 months ago
@TheGoldenAngel150
This is about CIVIL marriage. Not marriage in your church. Christians do not get to lay claim to the institution as theirs and theirs alone. Muslims can get married. Atheists, too.
Same sex marriage could be legal in all 50 states tomorrow and NOT ONE church would be forced to perform the weddings or to recognize them as valid.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 heh-heh-heh... all 50 states? good luck >:)
TheGoldenAngel150 3 months ago
@TheGoldenAngel150
I have no doubt that it will be legal in all 50 states someday, but that's not the point.
I'm correct in saying that this is about CIVIL marriage not marriage in your church and that Christians don't get to claim for themselves.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 That's what you think, hm-hm-ha-ha-ha... >:}
TheGoldenAngel150 3 months ago
@TheGoldenAngel150
There was a time when only a handful of states allowed interracial marriage or women to vote. 2011 marks the first time the majority of American favor legalizing same sex marriage.
The tides are turning.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 uh oh
TheGoldenAngel150 3 months ago
@TheGoldenAngel150
I know. Before you know it, gays are gonna be on TV and running for public office!
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 Oh no, that can't be, no! The future... what does it hold?!
TheGoldenAngel150 3 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 THAT is pure nonsense. The majority of Americans favor keeping Marriage as the union of one man and one woman. So far, REAL Marriage has won 31 out of 31 times when the PEOPLE have had the chance to vote on it. Now the dems are showing how desparate they are by trying to attach the DOMA repeal to the Defense Authorization bill. How low can anyone go? Feinstein knows she does not have the votes to win on a straight, up or down vote, so she's trying this last gasp effort. How crude.
DeedsResearcher 3 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
It's not nonsense. It's totally true.
This year Gallup polls showed that the majority of American support same sex marriage for the firs time.
"(Reuters) - Fifty-three percent of Americans support making gay marriage legal, a Gallup poll showed on Friday, a marked reversal from just a year ago when an equal majority opposed same-sex matrimony."
LA times: "46% of Americans surveyed support legalizing same-sex marriage and 44% are opposed."
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
fags
DarkprinX2500 4 months ago
I don't buy the idea of 54% - 44%. States that have voted on the issue have voted overwhelmingly to retain marriage as it has traditionally been: one man and one woman. To my memory, none of those states have even been close. Where she gets the 54-44% is beyond me.
Have a nice day, folks.
DeedsResearcher 5 months ago
@DeedsResearcher
That's based on recent polling. The majority of the states that passed banning it did so several years ago when there was greater opposition.
This year marks the first time that there are more people in favor of SSM that oppose it, according to Gallup.
bearchewtoy75 3 months ago
To me thats a bad idea
JasielMartin92 5 months ago
I like the way the homophobic states are purple.
Also, the generation gap means that the gay rights movement will win once all the haters die.
THEHAR0LD 6 months ago 2
you homophobes are really confused, when will you realize that its not a sickness or a choice? im straight an i never could choose to be gay just lik you ignorant bastords dont choose to be gay. so why do you think gays could be straight?? why would you wanna make them be somethin there not? if you could never be gay and they never can be straight its because its who you are.respect all people!!!
TBAKC 6 months ago 2
FAGS!!!!
stape931 6 months ago
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@stape931, you are such a loser.
GodCreatesGays2 5 months ago
Bad idea for society.
davidspade200 6 months ago
homosexuality isn't a choice, there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest it is.
brysonisSXE 6 months ago
All I want is equal rights. I don't wish to be married in a church, in fact i want nothing to do with religion, what's wrong with that. Can two atheists be married? Can two people that cannot have children be married? YES. It is not a matter of man, woman or religion, but of love. Stop thinking what you believe is right for us all. It's not.
isolabella88 7 months ago
@isolabella88 dont call it marriage it insults man and woman two athiest CAN get married because they are not homos male creatures go with female creatures it applies to everything and then gays showed up and ever since then there has been controversy we dont want any more gays walking the streets influencing children to experiment i also believe adoption is out of the question
raptorhunter104 7 months ago
@raptorhunter104 Why don't you see what it's like to be a homosexual? This is complete discrimination. I want to make something clear: Gay people do not go up to children and tell them that they should become a homosexual. Homosexuality is not a choice, and it sickens the shit out of me that people don't realize that. Think about it, why are gay teens pushed to the brink of suicide, when all they would have to do is become heterosexual? What would me marrying a man do to you, as I don't know you
george7996 6 months ago
@george7996 THAT THEORY ABOUT GAYS BEING BORN HOMOSEXUAL IS BEING PROVEN FALSE ITS CHOICE and of course gays arent going to go up to children directly but the problem is kids when they are young they are stupid and what they see is what they learn if a child sees superman on tv hell pretend he could fly butwhen he sees kids doing drugs and they say how good it feels they try it too and become hooked IF THEY SEE A GAY COUPLE THEY WILL THINK ITS OK TO GO ON DATES WITH THEIR OWN GENDER
raptorhunter104 6 months ago
@george7996 i would also like to add that marrying a man could pull down your social life and what if they want to adopt then if they get that right and get a child the child will grow up either growing up gay , being made fun of for a long time or both these children will feel out of place then the cycle goes on two gays get marry adopt more gays and more and more we musn't way if we want this country to live on we have to take action and stop gays from marrying before things get any worse!!
raptorhunter104 6 months ago
@raptorhunter104 I'm not going to waste my time, but if homosexuality was a choice, then I wouldn't be a homosexual. Also, there is nothing wrong with dating the same gender, and gay couples raise straight children. Think about it; didn't heterosexual couples raise gay children? I know I was.
george7996 6 months ago
@george7996 well it may be true that hetersexual couples sometimes end up with gay children but that was choice and its not really safe for homosexual relation there are more chances of getting deseases like aids its for the good of the world
raptorhunter104 6 months ago
@raptorhunter104 Really, because I don't think I chose. Listen, if you don't approve of homosexuality, then stop concerning yourself with it. Anyone can get aids. Plus, I can think of many other things that really ARE bad for the world. Their are more important issues, such as war, starvation, the recession, etc. People with your homophobia are too ignorant to realize that homosexuality shouldn't even matter.
george7996 6 months ago
@george7996 war starvation and recession ARE problems that we also have i agree with you on that but as long as we CAN do SOMETHING for our country then we should.......and homosexuality is something we should get rid of now and later we can work on the other topics we have to take baby steps solve what you can now and leave the rest for later
raptorhunter104 6 months ago
@raptorhunter104 Fuck Off.
george7996 6 months ago
@george7996 heh heh heh heh heh heh heh
raptorhunter104 6 months ago
Fuck those people who say same sex marriage must not be legal.
SAME SEX MARRIAGE MUST BE LEGAL IN ENTIRE USA.
Bahsok5 8 months ago
If the gay supporters here have a problem with CONSENSUAL polygamy and incest marriage....they are FACTUALLY a hypocrite or a polygamy/incest-phobic BIGOT. It's one or the other.
llouldeng 8 months ago
@llouldeng you're right personally I think both of those should be legal as well.
tigerwoods875 6 months ago
Opponents of Same Sex Marriage in Canada predicted the collapse of "traditional" marriage when same sex marriage was legalized six years ago. My marriage is still stable and I don't know of any heterosexual marriages that have collapsed because of legalized same sex marriage. How does it affect heterosexuals if gays are allowed to marry? It doesn't mean you HAVE to marry someone of the same sex. If you don't believe in same sex marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex.
PHJimY 8 months ago
@TheNationalarmy notice the adjective 'shitty'. I wasn't speaking of all old people, only the old people whom I find shitty.
LeeRLang 8 months ago
It's insulting to compare same- sex marriage to the civil rights. The last time I checked Their was no lynching of gays, no dogs was set upon them, they were not on the slave ships with chains on their necks, hands and feet.
Gays is not a RACE! What next gays adults marrying gay children
withataman01 8 months ago
@withataman01
...thats called pedophilia, and it in no way is limited to gays.
DoubIeKiIl 8 months ago
@withataman01 Furthermore, you can't always tell who is gay by looking at him or her. That's why racial bigotry is a civil wrong.
DeedsResearcher 5 months ago
I think marriage is "gay" anyway. Who the fuck would want to do it anyway?
oldstock1607 8 months ago
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tom1yum2goong 8 months ago
For those of you who agree the homo sexuality is wrong we have a place to meet and talk come to xNoHomosexualityx channel, were we can support stoping homosexuality!
tom1yum2goong 8 months ago
@tom1yum2goong
How can you stop homosexuality? Are you going to put us in concentration camps? No matter what you do or say theres absolutely NOTHING you can do to stop us. We are human beings just like you. and we have feelings just like you.
samuel408 8 months ago
@samuel408 The more people we have against disgusting beliefs like yours the less support you have. The less support you have the quicker you'll fade away from history.
tom1yum2goong 8 months ago
@tom1yum2goong
First of all, how are we disgusting? We do everything like straight people do. We go to school, go to work, help people. If your thinking about sexual stuff then we do it like straight people as well; we kiss, we hug, and some straight couples do it in the ass too. Like i said your just wasting your time rallying people to "stop homosexuality". Your never going to win and every year young people are opening their minds to see that equality happens.
samuel408 8 months ago
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@samuel408 Its not natural its a choice and its the wrong one. Man was meant to be with a women spread his seed. It's how we advance as a human race. We can have a future without gay people. Gay people have no future. It is sick and that's why many people seek help for it even thou the gay community rushes to deny this.
tom1yum2goong 8 months ago
@danamariegordon You know what I don't get is this. When same sex marriage was legal in CA, for the short time that it was, Churches weren't required to perform those ceremonies. So clearly most people were against same sex rights, because that's exactly what resulted when prop 8 passed. Even for the marriages that took place and became legal prior to the passing of prop 8 and are legally recognized as legal marriage, they lost their rights because they were same sex.
mastermalone 9 months ago
@danamariegordon For married couples U.S. citizens and legal residents can sponsor their spouses and family members for immigration. For Civil Union Couples U.S. citizens and legal residents cannot sponsor non-legal spouses or family. So if you're against same sex marriage, then what you're really say is you're ok with them being together but not ok with them having any legal rights.
mastermalone 9 months ago
@danamariegordon In the case of a partner's death in a marriage the spouse receives any earned Social Security or veteran benefits. In the case of a Civil Union partners do not receive Social Security or any other government benefits in case of death. In case of divorce spouses are bound to provide financial support for children. In a Civil Union dissolution no spousal or child support is required or guaranteed.
mastermalone 9 months ago
@danamariegordon And the problem is that not allowing same sex couples to legally get married denies them certain rights as a couple. Married couples can file taxes jointly. Same sex unions can only file jointly in the state in which their union was held. Married partners can gift to each other without tax penalty, civil union partners can only gift to each other without state tax penalty but still have to pay federal tax.
mastermalone 9 months ago
@danamariegordon I meant wedding.
mastermalone 9 months ago
@danamariegordon I don't think Churches should be forced to perform marriages they don't agree with, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to get married at all. You can have a non-religious wedding outside of a church. My marriage wasn't religious.
mastermalone 9 months ago
@danamariegordon I don't think allowing people of the same sex to get married is going to make me love my husband any less. It's not going to change my relationship with my husband. I wouldn't get a divorce and put my son up for adoption over the legality of same sex marriage. So what exactly would same sex marriage do to married couples that would somehow diminish their marriage? If you feel it would some how change your relationship with your spouse then I feel sorry for you.
mastermalone 9 months ago
@danamariegordon A justice of the peace can legally marry a couple. Weddings don't have to be denominational. I didn't have a religious wedding. My husband and I are atheists. Plus again I HAVE to ask, how exactly is marriage being corrupted. If a same sex couple gets married that doesn't diminish or corrupt MY marriage in any way. My husband and I love each other and have a strong commitment to each other and our son. ...
mastermalone 9 months ago
What about the other 2 per cent!?
PinksLadyFunhouse 9 months ago
@oddtreenow2 would change. Should that mean that inter-racial marriages shouldn't be allowed to take place in Louisiana? That that couple shouldn't have been allowed to get married at all? No. It doesn't matter who likes it and who doesn't, heterosexual couples are allowed to marry anyone of any race. The point is, you don't have to like same sex marriage. But that shouldn't give you the right to tell same sex couples that they're not allowed to get married.
mastermalone 9 months ago
@oddtreenow2 I don't think he should be forced to perform weddings he doesn't agree with, because frankly I would hate to know that a bigot had performed my ceremony. But the fact is that weather he agreed with it or not, he couldn't enforce his opinion on the couple. They were still able to go somewhere else and get married. I wonder what would happen though if they put inter-racial marriage to a vote in a state like Louisiana? I think there's a good chance the law in that state...continued
mastermalone 9 months ago
@oddtreenow2 "It's like there is a "you're with us or you're against us" mentality." That's not true at all. It's a "Mind you're own damn business" mentality. I'm a white woman married to a black man. A couple of years ago a Justice of the Peace in Louisiana refused a marriage license to an inter-racial couple because he didn't think inter-racial couples should be allowed to marry. So they went to someone else to marry them. Ok, so I don't like his point of view...continued
mastermalone 9 months ago
Although i'd prolly feel a bit awkward when attending a same-sex marriage (well, after some booze the awkwardness would probably fade =) ) i'm proud to live in a country where same-sex marriage and same-sex adoption are both fully legalised. Gays and lesbians deserve the same rights as us, they deserve the right to create a bonding with (well at least to them, i think marriage is overrated anyway) as much value as marriage between heterosexuals. As stated below, IT IS NOT OUR BUSINESS
geekos1 9 months ago
@oddtreenow2 Even if homosexuality isn't innate- why does that matter? Two consenting human beings want to enter into a legal contract. IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS. This shouldn't even be about sex or love- this should be about a human's legal right to enter into a government-based contract with another consenting adult person. The face of the matter is, that denying two people of the same sex the right to enter the contract is SEXIST- and that's as simple as it gets.
JyginsGreenBird 9 months ago
@oddtreenow2 I'm not quite sure I understand your comment. I get that you're straight and that you're saying you're not afraid of homosexuals but if you're not why do care so much about other people's sexual orientation?
mastermalone 10 months ago
@oddtreenow2 Have you ever imagined what it would be like to fall in love with someone and be lucky enough to have that person love you back and then have people you don't even know telling you it's wrong for the two of you to be together, telling you it's a sin, telling you your desire to be with your soulmate is sick?
BTW, you have a phobia about homosexuals (I can tell they make you uncomfortable), QED, you're Homophobic. You should get used to this accept it. maybe then you'd accept others
CanadaDan1971 10 months ago
As a lesbian I'm so glad to live in Canada, and I really hope America will be able to allow gay marriage in every state, someday. It's not like it's going to hurt anybody if two people of the same gender are allowed express their love just as every human being needs to.
digataplusavatarfan 10 months ago
@digataplusavatarfan been brainwashed with their entire lives. I lived in Mesa for 3 years and even there I noticed how unaware people were. I wanted to celebrate Hanukkah one year and wanted to buy nothing more than a cheap little plastic dreidel and fill it gelt for my son. I had to call 3 different stores to find it and no one I spoke to even knew what I was talking about. One store I spoke to someone who excitedly said "Hold on, we have a Jew that works here!" ...
mastermalone 9 months ago
@digataplusavatarfan and then spent 20 minutes on hold waiting for "The Jew" who worked at the store to come to the phone. Seriously, every Christmas we have the cross and Jesus and nativity scenes shoved in our faces every where you look but in the city of Mesa I could only find 1 person out of 3 stores who knew what a dreidel was? It was a sad SAD shock.
mastermalone 9 months ago
@digataplusavatarfan I don't know what happened to the first part of my response. It didn't get posted somehow. But what it said was that even Spain, one of the most Catholic Countries allows same sex marriage. And this country is backward because, though you do have large cities where people are more enlightened, diverse and educated, most of this country consists of a bunch of small towns where people have...
mastermalone 9 months ago
@thewaves10 That's true not much has changed in the U.S.
mikeyrobins022585 10 months ago
YIN - YANG ....
Yin is characterized as slow, soft, yielding, diffuse, cold, wet, and passive; and is associated with water, earth, the moon, femininity and nighttime.
Yang, by contrast, is fast, hard, solid, focused, hot, dry, and aggressive; and is associated with fire, sky, the sun, masculinity and daytime.[4]
dirtdemon6 10 months ago
Everybody please stop fighting about who is better. Jeezz just go back to where you all came from, ehhh.
Now I dont even know what I'm talking about:P
CRaZy4RiGHT 10 months ago
death to all gay people .. sick mother fuckers
majidalove 11 months ago
@majidalove shut your mouth hater. People like you have always been the problem. It's the same old story, people shouting, "It's the fault of the [Please pick one of the following: Gays, Blacks, Muslims, Women, Immigrants, Jews, Asains, Etc]." It's not true, it's just intolerance and it's getting old.
If you were really hones you'd write, "I don't understand Gays and things I don't understand make me feel uncomfortable and stupid and lashing out is easier than introspection and understanding."
CanadaDan1971 10 months ago
@majidalove Ewww your sick, how can you even talk like that.
CRaZy4RiGHT 10 months ago
Masculinity is seriously under threat. That's why the world needs homophobia.
1Thompsonmusic 11 months ago
Such a shame my state doesnt allow everyone 2 be happy by banning them from gettin married :(
MrGSWAGG92 11 months ago
Omg I'm so glad old ppl r closer to dying that way by the time we get older we can actully change laws and ot be second class citicens
requiremofa1000years 11 months ago
@requiremofa1000years HAHAHXD <3
adrianavarchetta 11 months ago
Technically speaking, marriage is reserved for a man and woman. It is a sacred path both embark on in hopes of procreating and starting a family. Sharing this term with homosexuals degrades its meaning and makes a mockery of it. What is wrong with wanting to preserve it's tradtional meaning?
jewelfewel 11 months ago
@jewelfewel Uhm, actually, marriage isn't a "sacred union" for everyone. It may be for the religious couples, what about people that don't associate with religion? How the fuck does allowing homosexuals to get married "degrade" marriage? Like, you're actually fucking retarded.
adrianavarchetta 11 months ago
@jewelfewel I've been with my husband for 12 years and married for almost 9 we have a wonderful son together. I don't see how two people of the same sex getting married degrades my relationship at all. I don't think I'm going to get a divorce and put my son up for adoption if gays and lesbians are allowed to marry each other. I don't think I will have any less sex, or any less fun or love my husband any less. I don't see how this affects my relationship at all.
mastermalone 11 months ago
people who are saying hateful things to/about homosexuals NEED to stop. and people saying hateful things/to about heterosexuals NEED to stop.
there's something that no one seems to understand: Christians aren't supposed to judge others, BUT, that doesn't mean don't question things! our society tells us that everything everyone wants to do is ok, and no one should say anything about it. there's a difference between judging a person, and questioning whether their actions are right.
TheDowntown86 11 months ago
Gays. Keep up your bullshit and us homophobics will always fight back. You can fuck with other people (double meaning in that), but you can't fuck with God.
1Thompsonmusic 11 months ago
@1Thompsonmusic
The fact of the matter is there is no more evidence for your superstition than there is for Zeus. In fact, Speciation and by extension, evolution, nullifies in totality the first verses of genesis. So please leave the superstitious rhetoric to your church. Secular nations are not run by the Taliban, as the seperation of church and state applies.
Y2Krashman 11 months ago
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1Thompsonmusic 11 months ago
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1Thompsonmusic 11 months ago
As Wanda Sykes says, the only "threat" to marriage is DIVORCE... :-)
shmuli9 11 months ago
We just have to wait for the old shitty people to die off.
LeeRLang 1 year ago 32
@LeeRLang lmao
SC1337 1 year ago
@LeeRLang That's an incredibly ignorant thing to say...
BrotherAtticus 10 months ago
@LeeRLang The truth of the matter is No one should have the right to say who can or can not marry. Ministers can refuse to preform the ceramoney however there will always be some ministers out there who will prefforme it. Personaly I will and I do not cair what the government says If an ordained minister preformes the ceramoney the couple are married in gods eyes reguardless what the state says.
jawj4291 9 months ago
@jawj4291 Or in my case... religion is an irrelevant factor and the government shouldn't be passing laws based off of religious principles.
LeeRLang 9 months ago
@LeeRLang One of the problems with forums like this is that we can post something in the heat of the moment and regret it afterwards. Judging from your other posts, I don't think you are a bigot, but this was the first of your posts that I read and, being a senior, I didn't appreciate it. What if you'd said,"We just have to wait for the gay or black or female or heterosexual or young... shitty people to die off." I think there are just as many young homophobes posting here as old farts.
PHJimY 8 months ago
@PHJimY Perhaps my comment came across to strongly. First keep in mind this is all a matter of opinion. Ok, I wasn't saying that all old people are shitty, but the particularly old people whom I find shitty, I would rather have them die off faster than the non-shitty people. Their are plenty of shitty black, gay, female, heterosexual, and young people. I used 'died off' because typically when your of an old age your opinion isn't going to change, and are closer to death than everyone else.
LeeRLang 8 months ago
FUCK GAY PEOPLE.
345goob 1 year ago
@345goob so you are gay too ? because you want to fuck me?
Audiofreund2 11 months ago
@Audiofreund2 That's exactly what i meant.
345goob 11 months ago
So, let me get this straight...Charlie Sheen can make a "porn family", Kelsey Grammer can end a 15 year marriage over the phone, Larry King can be on divorce #9, Britney Spears had a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods, while married, were having sex with EVERYONE. Yet, the idea of same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage? Really? Re-post if you are proud to support equal rights.
iplaycello1 1 year ago 21
@iplaycello1 agreed <3+<3=marriage.
You don't marry genitals, you marry the person. People are too caught up with superficial worries that nothing lasts :,(
XXBleedingrose 9 months ago
@iplaycello1
Can I thumb up another hundred times?
See also: "the lifestyle you live makes me uncomfortable, which is justification enough to keep you from your loved-one's deathbed should the unthinkable happen, to keep you from collecting life insurance, to keep you from adopting children, and to keep you from enjoying the 1,000-odd legal benefits entitled to heterosexual couples ONLY.
This is for your own good, and for the good of the country."
nestletreb 9 months ago
@iplaycello1 marriage=mother's duty, is an istitution for reproduction, have no sense ask for same sex marriage, is like i ask to be a mother (i'm a man) happy now?
mattvlad3 8 months ago
How come there are no more state by state projections on gender neutral marriage? I love maps!
muellerican 1 year ago
Yeah... Let me bring up two points, Voting on things like Gay Marriage, is against the Constitution. You should be able to have your own opinions:Yes. Should you try to enforce them, if there is no danger from them: HELL NO! And also, politics says, "Don't let religion get in the way of your political views/
metallicaownsme 1 year ago
@metallicaownsme It's nearly impossible to avoid, regardless of whether or not it's constitutional. People are going to legislate their own morality, why do you think other demographics such as blacks and women were so restricted? It obviously wasn't constitutional, but they did whatever they could to keep them down. To me, people are desperate to control somebody else.
It's sad. Today we are more free than we ever were, yet people are still convinced that we are turning to communism.
TheClubbman 1 year ago
I dont get why this is an issue. What official of a Christian church or any other religion is going to wed a gay couple? As far as i see it this isn't an issue of the public accepting gays but government involvement in church matters.
Virgil077 1 year ago
@Virgil077
Um.. there are churches who will sanction same sex weddings... they're few, but they exist.
Same sex marriage is about CIVIL marriage, no gay groups are fighting to get married in a church.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@Virgil077
I wonder if you believe that only Christians marry? What has Christianity got to do with the governmental institution of marriage?
Y2Krashman 11 months ago
Canada has had same sex marriage nation wide for the last five years. Sorry US, you're now more uptight and less cool than Canada.
CanadaDan1971 1 year ago
@CanadaDan1971 No. The U.S. has more morals and family values than your stupid perverted country!
mikeyrobins022585 11 months ago