I might even envy people that are at a lower level than me, say for instance in a musical context." Maybe not as a good as me, but still they have something in their performance that i lack", i might imagine.
omg how I can do the enneagram test I have 4w3.... but sometimes I have 5w4 or lol 1w2? wtf? how type am i? sometimes I feel like 4 but sometimes like 3 or 5 :/ or9 ang 6 >>... my head is as boil XD who can help me XD?
@byTemari Hey there. You know, when 4's are healthy (when we integrate) we act more like the self disciplined 1. When we disintegrate, we act more like 2's. That may be why you see yourself as a 1w2. And if you are a four, I think its only natural that you feel somewhat like a 3 or 5
You should pick up an enneagram book, they're way more helpful than anything I've ever read online. :)
Naranjo had originally come up with the theory of integration/disintegration in the arrows, but later retracted it saying that we can go to the high or low side of either of the types we are aligned to. ie. I'm a 4 and can be disciplined and action-oriented like the high side of 1 but can carry the critical perfectionism that they have - also, I can be jealous and controlling like the 2, but nurturing and loving unconditional. It goes both ways.
@ilxenu Yeah, it's obviously not as absolute as: disintegrate to 2, become a terrible person, integrate to 1, become an amazing, perfect individual, but I was just generalizing it for a person who seemed unfamiliar with Enneagram theory just so it wasn't too confusing o_O. Being a 4, I know exactly what you mean. ;P
I find it incredible how accurate the number 4 is to my personality. a lot of the people I know are unable to figure out what their type is, but wow. just to know that there are people that feel and behave so similar me is kind of comforting I guess.
4 is fu**ed up. I find a patter in me. I leave a girl. I wait so long as it's too late, she got someone new. Then I want her back, I agonize about my decision. Stupid. But when I learn to cut this rommantic side of me off I become very strong. I don't suppress it, just laugh at it. In fack it a very predictable enemy, I know I will dramatize everything up. So I am prepared. BTW I am a man :D .
How did you all find out the about the enneagram..just curious? I discovered it when I was 14. I remember reading through some of the other type descriptions before mine and thinking 'wow these are all very detailed..I doubt there will be anything here about me' and then I read type four and I was like Wooohooo!!! I no longer feel cursed! :)
I found out about it when I was I think 13, my mom had some books on it and I just looked for which one I was and read about the 4 and was like "woah, how does this book know me so well"
@moonlitreverie1 i like taking quizzes online. when i was 16 i took an enneagram test and got the wrong result. a year later i remembered that quiz and looked up enneagram. i instantly knew i was a four. it was obvious.
I think while trying to avoid feeling envy at all is like trying to avoid our shadows, the magnitude of what we feel can be controlled by sheer awareness and acknowledgment, two inner qualities 4s excel at encouraging. We can't stand lying to ourselves, can we?
@emakengkau yet much of our "awareness" is image feeling and not direct. we need to develop the ability to disengage analysis and "be" in contexts that challenge our solitary nature. I myself cannot just "be" in most social situations. I'm always split into the watcher and the performer.
I sometimes wonder. As 4s, we will never stop envying because to find the 'missing piece' might make us complete, which might make us feel stable. This is scarily 'ordinary' and even 'boring', so we avoid it!
@rjajc yeah, we're addicted to our sense that something in us is broken. That break supplies our vision beyond dull daily life. Meanwhile, we're missing the immersion in experience of actual being that refutes the whole concept of ordinary. If we were truly in every moment, there wouldn't be the categorization of ordinary. Fearing the ordinary means image feeling instead of direct feeling.
I have to say though, I always wonder how much of this is nature and much nurture
I always envy because I guess deep down I just want love, and I feel like if I'm finally complete people will love me
and I look back over my childhood, and I was neglected, bullied, and alone all the time. It really gave me this sense of inaducacy and of being worthless. So eventually I just tried to become as perfect as I possibly could be...
I am a four, but I never thought I had to deal with envy part. I now realize I deal with it all the time. When I was younger, I felt unnatractive, and truly belived that my more beautiful friends had the only things that could possibly make me happy. Later, after I began to see myself as attractive, as an artist I envied people who were better than me as them having an unnattainable skill to express what I wanted to, and now, people who are at ease with themselves.
I discovered I was a four pretty recently, and wow, it is so accurate.
BrightYoungManMusic 1 month ago
I am a four and I often wish I was five. I often feel self-conscious and defective which ironically is often the work of the four.
Standuble 4 months ago
i am a four
cassandratype4 5 months ago
Look at old school David! Cute.
ilxenu 9 months ago
Look at David!
ilxenu 9 months ago
This makes me depressed.
deklifhanger 9 months ago
This video is soooooooooo true.
queentantrumofficial 10 months ago
I might even envy people that are at a lower level than me, say for instance in a musical context." Maybe not as a good as me, but still they have something in their performance that i lack", i might imagine.
ragnarkisten 1 year ago
What is his NAAAMMMEE????
Chameleam 1 year ago
omg how I can do the enneagram test I have 4w3.... but sometimes I have 5w4 or lol 1w2? wtf? how type am i? sometimes I feel like 4 but sometimes like 3 or 5 :/ or9 ang 6 >>... my head is as boil XD who can help me XD?
byTemari 1 year ago
@byTemari Hey there. You know, when 4's are healthy (when we integrate) we act more like the self disciplined 1. When we disintegrate, we act more like 2's. That may be why you see yourself as a 1w2. And if you are a four, I think its only natural that you feel somewhat like a 3 or 5
You should pick up an enneagram book, they're way more helpful than anything I've ever read online. :)
xXJanelKittyXx 1 year ago
@xXJanelKittyXx
Naranjo had originally come up with the theory of integration/disintegration in the arrows, but later retracted it saying that we can go to the high or low side of either of the types we are aligned to. ie. I'm a 4 and can be disciplined and action-oriented like the high side of 1 but can carry the critical perfectionism that they have - also, I can be jealous and controlling like the 2, but nurturing and loving unconditional. It goes both ways.
ilxenu 9 months ago
@ilxenu Yeah, it's obviously not as absolute as: disintegrate to 2, become a terrible person, integrate to 1, become an amazing, perfect individual, but I was just generalizing it for a person who seemed unfamiliar with Enneagram theory just so it wasn't too confusing o_O. Being a 4, I know exactly what you mean. ;P
xXJanelKittyXx 9 months ago 2
@xXJanelKittyXx
And see, I'm being 1ish in correcting you right now! Haha.
ilxenu 9 months ago
yeah, this is my whole life. summed up. period
TheCharmingPhoenix 1 year ago
I find it incredible how accurate the number 4 is to my personality. a lot of the people I know are unable to figure out what their type is, but wow. just to know that there are people that feel and behave so similar me is kind of comforting I guess.
tessiepooh123 1 year ago 3
4 is fu**ed up. I find a patter in me. I leave a girl. I wait so long as it's too late, she got someone new. Then I want her back, I agonize about my decision. Stupid. But when I learn to cut this rommantic side of me off I become very strong. I don't suppress it, just laugh at it. In fack it a very predictable enemy, I know I will dramatize everything up. So I am prepared. BTW I am a man :D .
pkolodz 1 year ago
I'm 4 with 3 (this is my wing) this is very emotional type, somethimes I can't handle this...
ILoveSummerParadise 1 year ago
How did you all find out the about the enneagram..just curious? I discovered it when I was 14. I remember reading through some of the other type descriptions before mine and thinking 'wow these are all very detailed..I doubt there will be anything here about me' and then I read type four and I was like Wooohooo!!! I no longer feel cursed! :)
moonlitreverie1 1 year ago
@moonlitreverie1
I found out about it when I was I think 13, my mom had some books on it and I just looked for which one I was and read about the 4 and was like "woah, how does this book know me so well"
tessiepooh123 1 year ago 2
@moonlitreverie1 i like taking quizzes online. when i was 16 i took an enneagram test and got the wrong result. a year later i remembered that quiz and looked up enneagram. i instantly knew i was a four. it was obvious.
TheCharmingPhoenix 1 year ago
I think while trying to avoid feeling envy at all is like trying to avoid our shadows, the magnitude of what we feel can be controlled by sheer awareness and acknowledgment, two inner qualities 4s excel at encouraging. We can't stand lying to ourselves, can we?
emakengkau 2 years ago
@emakengkau yet much of our "awareness" is image feeling and not direct. we need to develop the ability to disengage analysis and "be" in contexts that challenge our solitary nature. I myself cannot just "be" in most social situations. I'm always split into the watcher and the performer.
cobaltjones 1 year ago
I sometimes wonder. As 4s, we will never stop envying because to find the 'missing piece' might make us complete, which might make us feel stable. This is scarily 'ordinary' and even 'boring', so we avoid it!
rjajc 2 years ago 13
@rjajc yeah, we're addicted to our sense that something in us is broken. That break supplies our vision beyond dull daily life. Meanwhile, we're missing the immersion in experience of actual being that refutes the whole concept of ordinary. If we were truly in every moment, there wouldn't be the categorization of ordinary. Fearing the ordinary means image feeling instead of direct feeling.
cobaltjones 1 year ago
@cobaltjones *claps*
OdeToNecrophilia 1 year ago
@cobaltjones
Insightful post man.
I have to say though, I always wonder how much of this is nature and much nurture
I always envy because I guess deep down I just want love, and I feel like if I'm finally complete people will love me
and I look back over my childhood, and I was neglected, bullied, and alone all the time. It really gave me this sense of inaducacy and of being worthless. So eventually I just tried to become as perfect as I possibly could be...
Themexicanguanorat 1 year ago
@Themexicanguanorat
I think it's much more nurture than nature. I think we become 4s because of our childhood experiences.
lautour 1 year ago
@rjajc I agree, well said.
Damienf77 1 year ago
so true
solunastar03 2 years ago
I am a four, but I never thought I had to deal with envy part. I now realize I deal with it all the time. When I was younger, I felt unnatractive, and truly belived that my more beautiful friends had the only things that could possibly make me happy. Later, after I began to see myself as attractive, as an artist I envied people who were better than me as them having an unnattainable skill to express what I wanted to, and now, people who are at ease with themselves.
aLatenightdreamer 3 years ago 19