Pro-Lifers are liars as well telling conservative Christians that they are listed as terrorists or radicals by the US Government and Homeland Security. That is a lie. The only ones listed as domestic terrorists are radical madman pro-lifers not Christians. Don't believe their double speak they are liars and hypocrites. Why don't you just leave the women alone it is their bodies not mine. You idiots better stop opposing birth control, sex ed, etc. because that will reduce many abortions.
Pro-Life is more like Pro-Death. You are obsessed about the lives of embryos, and fetuses. However, you are not pro-life when it comes to innocent men or guilty men being cruely executed like dogs on death row and that is wrong. You are not pro-life when you let your terrorist wing gun down abortion doctors and blow up clinics. All we have to do is get all you nuts on the terrorist list with Homeland Security and you're all finished. What about animals they have lives too?
The United Nations Declaration of The Rights of the Child
Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
"WHEREAS the child, by reason of his physical and mental immaturity, needs special safeguards and care, including appropriate legal protection, before as well as after birth"
"I will maintain the utmost respect for human life, from the time of its conception; even under threat, I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws of humanity; I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity
All the way back to ancient Greece, there were women who knew how to do birth control and early-term abortion with herbal remedies. They were called "midwives" or "wise women." Their tradition was carried on for centuries, until, in the Middle Ages, the woman-hating Catholic priesthood slandered them as "witches," and burned half a million at the stake. Most of the victims of this genocide were women. The world population explosion got under way after the witch-burnings.
Foster care is already low on funds and has too many unwanted children. If there would be 50 million extra homeless children in the system, foster care would ultimately fall apart. If abortian was illegal our foster care systsm wouldn't be able to sustain itself. Also these people over and over say that people can always adopt. Then why do so many pro-life people oppose the idea of gay couples adopting children? You can't have both points.
A womans CHOICE ends when she has sex. That's what a man is told when he pays child support. Killing is killing. Hopefully someday abortion will be looked at as infanticide is now. wiki infantside if you have never heard of it.
A woman has the right to choose what happens to her body. If you can't understand that, oh well. You still don't get to tell ppl what to do with their bodies. Comparing nazi germany to reproductive choices is offensive. Critical Thinking ppl. If no one has the right to take a life, why do so many of you antichoice ppl support war? Stand up against killing ppl on the planet or shut up.
I just want to point out that not all people who are "pro life" are "pro war". That is quite a generalization, but a good point in some respect. Taking the opposite stance is equally hypocritical, I hope that you realize that. You may not think that it is murder, but surely you can use your critical thinking and realize why it is that some people feel that way. You made a good point about people who don't believe in killing people being consistant, but if they are then you should respect that.
These people came to my campus today. They really need to learn the definition of "genocide". Abortion is not genocide. One of my friends carried around a sign saying "Keep your religion out of my vagina"... loved it!
i love how the conservatives love "our" children but could give a damn about the children we kill from our bombs in iraq. you know, because god is american an all.
Aeroluv26-"I'm pro choice and pregnant, so don't say I don't love or respect children."
Oh of course! You respect and love them, but you also support a mother's 'right' to kill them?! Wow, even Einstein himself couldn't balance out that equation!
suga-Yes, I love children. I decided to have one because I knew I would love her unconditionally. I'm not everyone. I planned this and spent years preparing my life for her. Not many pregnancies are planned.
These men in the military chose to enlist. The baby that gets aborted is at the mercy of some slut who can't keep a dick out of her. Don't have sex unless you are ready to have a baby.
This person did say that very poorly. But in most cases (excluding rape cases) getting pregnant could be prevented. I think that the point about how people inlist for the army with full knowledge of the situation that they are put in is valid. To me it seems like this is the most radically inconsistent issue for the liberal side of the political arena. Being someone who believes in helping the less fortunate I would think that the left side would back the protection of a helpless person...
Also, macman13, even if the question really was "does it suffer?", how do we know when it does and doesn't? Right now, the majority say "does it have 'personhood'?" really is the question. But if 'personhood' is sentiency, then...........
I would strongly reccomend the book "Three Approaches to Abortion" by Peter Kreeft. Anyone who has half a brain and any sense of moral decency can see through this book that abortion cannot be tolerated from any point of view whether its the legal, moral, ethical, or religious point of view. It absolutely destroys all pro-choice arguments from any side of the issue Vote Pro Life in 2008 !!!
Somthing i got from Spider-man 3 even though it might sound cruel but it's the scientific truth that a fetus is a type of symbiot that depends on a living being (mother) in order to survive.
Pro lifers like to believe they have the "Absolute Truth",what a good person is how a good person acts how good people live.They go around showing pictures of aborted fetuses while not making any political point based on facts.Tell me the reason why a fetus which depends on the womb of person is a living human being.That is the real issue, whether it is human with rights at that moment or not.
"For you formed me in my inward parts, You covered me in my mothers womb...My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in secret...v16... Your eyes saw my substance being yet unformed... The days fashioned for me when as yet there were none" Psalm 139v13
Yes, Jesus did command us not to judge others. God loves all sinners, but He hates sin. I'm just speaking out against sin, not the sinner. But if a woman has had an abortion, she can still seek God's forgiveness.
I think it's sick when people make these huge posters and display them proudly. I would be SO upset if my child saw something like that. I bet if someone put up pictures of the casualties in Iraq, these same people would be offended. Why can't they respect the lives of the babies they are displaying as if it were a circus freakshow. If you are pro life, at least respect it.
suga-Yeah, and they don't care about them. How would you feel if someone held up a giant picture of your dead child? It's disrespectful and sick! How do you not see that?
First, she meant disrespectful to the babies. I found that ironic.
Second, if you are referring to a giant picture of a dead child I aborted,I wouldn't feel disrespected, only guilty.
Finally, it's pretty hypocritical to support something you can't stomach watching.
I find it funny how 'pro-choicers' rant about how a z/e/f should be equivalent to a parasite if non-sentient, but then have a problem with seeing a few pictures of an abortion aftermath!
suga-just because someone doesn't believe abortion should be banned, doesn't mean they enjoy it. I'm pro choice and pregnant, so don't say I don't love or respect children. The difference is that I look at things from many different perspectives.
Well if you really are pregnant, then what you're supporting is the belief that the child inside you right now is nothing more than a parasite until it's viable. If someone were to come along *knocks on wood* and attack you just to harm your child, don't you believe your child has the right to justice?
suga-I can't tell people what to believe. If a woman thinks abortion is the only option for her situation, then who are we to judge and say otherwise? She's not doing it because it's fun, she has a purpose behind it. Maybe she's sick physically or mentally. Maybe she isn't financially stable enough. Whatever the reason, I can't force her to have a child she isn't prepared to raise.
Could you please stop using that filthy language? I find it very offensive to see "F" word and other profanities on this website. I may report this to Youtube. We can still disagree without using that filthy and foul langauage!
And to the person who told me to "go play in traffic", as a Catholic Christian, it is my obligation and duty to speak out aganist what's right and what's wrong. I don't apologize for being pro-life.
nanlisa- I had no idea that Catholics were supposed to judge and hate people of other beliefs. As far aws I knew, your faith tells you to forgive and not judge. Wow, you learn something new everyday...
What makes you think abortion is wrong at all? You're making a judgement based on your own beliefs, that abortion, is infact, killing another human being. One who thinks they have absolute truth and sees people with different views as evil, in my opinion makes themselves evil.
Who's FORCING anyone to have an abortion? What are you talking about?! By law, someone must consent to have a medical procedure & the failure of a practitioner to obtain consent & move forward with the procedure would be criminal. Interesting you are trying to limit abortion as a legal choice, which in effect FORCES someone to choose the options YOU deem acceptable.
What it these famous people were aborted? Stevie Wonder, Helen Keller, Oprah Winfrey, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Rosemary Kennedy (JFK's late sister), Sophia Loren, Ray Charles, Jose Feliciano, Cher, Heather Whitestone (Miss America 1995), and former Kansas senator Bob Dole. They were either born out of wedlock, in poverty, or with a disability. Their mothers chose to give them life, and so should you.
That guy in the brown shirt says there are "almost no" children left for adoption in agencies because abortion is killing them all. Are you fucking kidding? That's hilarious. The reason there are two million people on the waiting list is because the agencies aren't filled with cute, little, perfect white babies. So the older children, the children with missing limbs, and the kids with mental retardation: do they suddenly not exist?
Why not spend your time/effort/money helping kids who are suffering in sweat shops then theorizing if a fetus does/doesn't feel pain and about their rights. I'm sure the argument is 'we care about those kids too!' but you aren't doing shit about those kids other then saying that.
Maybe you cannot, but others can. Oppressing women with their physiological conditions is also 'so terrible!' Oh, and by the way, prove that a fetus is the same as a just-born baby. And while you're at it, prove that an acorn is an oak tree and caviar is fish! lol
In 2002 a pregnant woman tried to take her own life by shooting her self in the stomach. The baby died, the woman lived and the supreme court ruled it as murder of the baby. The only difference in abortion is that it's premeditated.
The bottom line is that no one has the right to tell anyone else what to do with their own body. It's that simple. These pro-lifers should have been asked if they support the death penalty because if you are against abortion but believe in the death penalty, you are not "pro-life".
stop trying to bring in different issues and call them the same thing. hell yes i believe that if someone is a mass murderer its ok to put them to death. but not an INNOCENT BABY. not the same thing. at all.
What you're doing would be something like this: Do you think people should be able to use meth/cocaine/any drug they want? if not then you are not "pro-choice" because it is their body and they should be able to choose whatever they want with it. see, not the same.
Endangerment is a important part of this issue, if the drugs you stated are used for recreational purposes, then yes they should be outlawed since one under the influence of these drugs are considered a danger to society.
If these drugs were used for medicinal purposes than it is considered legal since it is for the citizens own good. The same is for aborting fetuses within 25 weeks of when it is concieved or in a life or death situation.
To clear this up, viability is not the ONLY issue. I mentioned it b/c of the legal availability of abortion.
And be honest with yourselves, you would not consider ceasing to try to outlaw abortion at only viability- you want the whole enchilada, to ban abortion completely, plus some of you want to ban many forms of birth control as well, hence the attacks on ECP & the pill. Be honest!
I'm assuming you want to outlaw all abortions post-viability, so, to clear this up, you favor women sometimes dying & allowing harm to their health as a consequence of your 'moral' law to ban those abortions? As long as we're talking morality here.
I'm upset that people, in general, use false information to better thier points in a serious debate. You however are well informed and I respect how you portray you own views.
As gestational science improves- it is certainly only one of the considerations for stricter limitation on second trimester- WHICH IS WHAT ROE ALREADY SAYS!!!
Please educate yourself on these issues plus what the legal availability of abortion is in the U.S. before asking such absurd questions & attempting to debate on this issue.
There is no justifiable reason to kill a crack baby. Ever. Not even to prove your point.
Abortion before viability NEVER needs a justifiable reason; the woman does not need to explain why she did it or justify it in any way- legally or morally to less than half the population. Her reason, no matter what it is, is good enough.
Sorry you can't see the difference (even for the sake of your argument), & that you must hang onto the word justified.
"Abortion before viability NEVER needs a justifiable reason"
On what grounds? I can understand that she does not need to explain herself legally. A woman can legally "terminate" the pregnancy up until the 40th week. I'm sure you won't feel just because something in this world is legal that it is moral.
Help me clear this up. If viability is the issue, are you in favor of banning all terminations" of pregnancies after the point of viability? (i.e. 22-25 weeks)
REALLY?! Abortion up to the 40th week? I didn't realize that the gestation period for humans was 10 months.
Did you mean the 4th month or are you seriously just parroting comments you heard from another ill-informed person, before actually thinking about the facts?
Viability of the fetus is generally & usually considered to be 24-28 weeks, & only last week a baby survived a very premature birth at 25 weeks- the earliest ever. Your 'science' & 'facts' surely leave a lot to be desired.
In addition, However, gestational age is typically not used to measure viability due to its inerrency & MDs usually use birthweight.
Its funny how pro-lifers will latch onto anything that they feel strengthens their position- no matter how factually incorrect.
At any rate, language such as this is a big reason why it is usually fruitless for pro-choicers & pro-lifers to debate. The very few times I've actually had a good debate with a pro-life person is when they & I use neutral language.
I liked that the person conducting the interviews didnt attempt to color the viewers perception of the facts one way or another...the people being interviewed are sharing their views in a pretty peaceful and amicable way.good vid
I challenge anyone of these prolifers to work as a nurse or doctor in a maternity ward where more crack babies are born than one would ever want to think about. That's torture. And men, you couldn't even begin to imagine what it's like to be 14, alone and pregnant, so shut the f up. You better make damn sure you're shooting blanks. "I've never been in that situation..." exactly.
That's a good point. My wife and I took in a crack baby whose parents abandoned him. His great-grandfather took care of him until the great-grandfather died of cancer 10 years later. My question is: Should we have killed the crack baby when his great-grandfather died or would it only be justifiable to kill him before he was born?
I see where you are going with this but I respectfully disagree with your logic & use of the terms justifiable & kill with regard to an already born baby or attempting to second guess a person's reasoning for continuing a pregnancy or not.
A concept called "wrongful life" which courts continually strike down b/c its impossible to examine someone's life (& any subsequent suffering) & say its better if they would have been aborted.
Few (pro-life or choice) are of the mentality to say that a suffering child should have been aborted to potentially end suffering later, but over half are technically pro-choice b/c there is a legal & moral distinction.
Also, I commend you guys for taking care of babies in need.
You said, "I respectfully disagree with your logic & use of the terms justifiable & kill with regard to an already born baby or attempting to second guess a person's reasoning for continuing a pregnancy or not."
I figure you would disagree, but on what grounds? Why do you disagree with the terminology? How is the logic flawed?
If you figured a pro-choice person would disagree, then you probably are already aware of the language you are using, so you probably don't need me to explain it. But here goes: justifiable means 'to declare free from blame or absolve from guilt' & is used when speaking of murder/homicide. The wording of your question presupposes that the answerer agrees with you that abortion=murder
So do you disagree with the word, "kill?" If you prefer the word, "terminate" I can use it instead. Would you rather me "terminate" the crack baby when his grandfather died or is it only justifiable to "terminate" him before is born?
The fetus is after all alive. It's growing, that's the mother's problem!
For an honest debate question, why not just say "Would this be a good reason to have an abortion?" Instead you frame the discussion & force others to acknowledge or accept your logic & terminology if they choose to answer the question. I'm sorry, but that is intellectually dishonest for the purposes of debate about abortion.
Its also a bit strange to even think of those terms when talking about an already born baby.
How in the world could that last guy infer or even think he could possibly know what that friend at his school went through emotionally regarding the abortion? Its amazing that to support their case, anti-choicers will say abortion isn't taken seriously enough by the women who have one, then they'll bring out women who were traumatized by theirs & emphatically state 'post abortion syndome' as a legitimate condition. Which is it?
This is very true and a heartbreaking problem in our society. Maybe you can clear something up for me; is your comment in favor of more abortions or fewer?
I was commenting on the tragedy of the issue(so many children of all ages up for adoption) & the absurdity of his statement- was he talking specifically about babies or children in general? If babies- then is he implying babies are worth more or somehow better than an older child (for adoption purposes) or does he mean no children are available to adopt period, in which case he's either misinformed or telling mistruth to ineffectively strengthen his stance.
I don't think anyone is in favor of more abortions (pro-choicers included), so of those two choices & as your question was worded, I pick fewer. However, fewer unwanted pregnancies is the best choice & what I advocate personally- which would mean fewer abortions, fewer children in foster homes, & less heartbreak in the long run.
But if you are asking me if I'm pro-choice or prolife, most definitely pro-choice.
For as long as the mutilation or removal of a body part is not illegal, neither will abortion. Until the potential life can support itself, it does not qualify as a life. It is, in fact, an extension of the mother's life.
Chopping off a hand is not murder. Aborting a foetus is not murder.
Murder is a legal term, not a moral one. They're arguing the wrong thing to begin with.
If I were a child given up for adoption... I'd kill myself I'd be happy to die from being aborted And knowing who your parents were is sometimes worse... And I agree Forcing a rape victim to go through the From what I've heard Most painful experience on Earth Is just horrible... Plus if I found out my father was a rapist I wouldnt be very happy living...
I have a cousin who was adopted and a friend that was very close to being aborted(because of rape). they are both successful, happy, and upstanding members of society.
I like how they link abortion to breast cancer and THEN use the images of the woman from India who declined breat cancer treatment to make it OMG SO GORY!
Nice propaganda, asshats.
I will be doing what I want with my body and any unintentional parasites will be dealt with, thank you.
Interesting that most of the anti-choice folks are also for the Iraq war which has resulted in the deaths of thousands of civilians, including young children. Most are also for the death penalty. Gotta love the hypocritical, confused evangelicals.
Natural childbirth is said to be the most painful experience on Earth. It turns my stomach that someone would force a rape victim to go through with it.
It also disturbs me that the guy in the beginning dared to imply that genocide victims are on the same as first trimester fetuses that are incapable of feelings or thought.
As for adoption, there are plenty of kids in foster care that are waiting to be adopted. Most people just want the white newborns with no special needs. They could really give a damn about the black eight-year-old, or the blind kid. These children rot int the system until they turn eighteen and are thrown out on their asses.
It's kind of disturbing for that one guy to say that the reason why families can't adopt babies are because they're being aborted. This isn't really true, because there millions of orphans in the foster care. To be quite honest, I would like to see how many pro lifers adopted children.
I actually know who this guy is. He lived in the same dorm I did. He speaks from his arse most of the time. I nearly spit out of my drink when he said that.
I love how vidviewer said the pro-choicers want to ban the pro-life movement's first amendment rights (ridiculous, pro-lifers have every right to be wrong and loud about it)... completely omitting how the pro-life movement strives day in and day out to ban women's rights. Hypocrite.
I don't think so. The woman does not have a right to murder a child. It becomes complete and living after about a month and a half of gestation, when the brain waves and heart begin to function; it can reproduce its own cells and is totally unique and distinguishable from any other organism alive. No girl should have the right to end that life.
ACTUALLY, it is not a full human being because it cannot survive on its own outside the womb. Therefore its relationship to the woman is parasidic in nature. Whats more important here, the rights of the individual living and breathing human being, or the rights of the parasitic entity inside the human being?
It can't survive on its own outside the woman's womb at 6 years. Should the mother get to kill it then if she decides she doesn't want it!? Also, it is legal to abort babies up to birth, and it could survive if it was premature.
If it was only their cause to make laws against late abortions than i wouldn't have a problem with it, but my issue with it is that they are trying to outlaw choice of abortion completely, whether human with rights, or not.
"If it was only their cause to make laws against late abortions than i wouldn't have a problem with it"
Me too, I have been thinking a lot about this issue since I posted that and have realized that the question shouldn't even be "is it human" but "does it suffer."
If we're going to start worrying about "potential human beings," then anytime you pass up a chance to have sex you are depriving a "potential human being" of life.
Yeah, I think I already mentioned that the question I'm after is not "is it human" but "does it suffer." So really, anytime before a nervous system I think is probably OK, and we can debate as to after that.
Not everyone is born with sentience, so I don't think the question "does it suffer?" applies. What if someone who was born with serious brain disfunctions and without the ability to sense pain was stabbed to death? Because that person lacks perception and feeling, s/he didn't necessarily suffer. So, would that make their death lawful?
Well, it would cause a sever amount of emotional pain to the parents of the child and would therefore be causing suffering, albeit not to the stabbed person. Basically, this sounds like a terry schiavo argument, but instead of removing a feeding tube it's stabbing.
He said African Americans faced genocide in America? What a fucking idiot!
edelweissnpa 1 year ago
Pro-Lifers are liars as well telling conservative Christians that they are listed as terrorists or radicals by the US Government and Homeland Security. That is a lie. The only ones listed as domestic terrorists are radical madman pro-lifers not Christians. Don't believe their double speak they are liars and hypocrites. Why don't you just leave the women alone it is their bodies not mine. You idiots better stop opposing birth control, sex ed, etc. because that will reduce many abortions.
leagueofpsychopaths 2 years ago
Pro-Life is more like Pro-Death. You are obsessed about the lives of embryos, and fetuses. However, you are not pro-life when it comes to innocent men or guilty men being cruely executed like dogs on death row and that is wrong. You are not pro-life when you let your terrorist wing gun down abortion doctors and blow up clinics. All we have to do is get all you nuts on the terrorist list with Homeland Security and you're all finished. What about animals they have lives too?
leagueofpsychopaths 2 years ago
The United Nations Declaration of The Rights of the Child
Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
"WHEREAS the child, by reason of his physical and mental immaturity, needs special safeguards and care, including appropriate legal protection, before as well as after birth"
YourHumanRights 3 years ago
The Hippocratic Oath, Declaration of Geneva:
"I will maintain the utmost respect for human life, from the time of its conception; even under threat, I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws of humanity; I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity
YourHumanRights 3 years ago
All the way back to ancient Greece, there were women who knew how to do birth control and early-term abortion with herbal remedies. They were called "midwives" or "wise women." Their tradition was carried on for centuries, until, in the Middle Ages, the woman-hating Catholic priesthood slandered them as "witches," and burned half a million at the stake. Most of the victims of this genocide were women. The world population explosion got under way after the witch-burnings.
MichaelPhillipWright 3 years ago
killers are worse than witches, and they don't even wear a carrot on their nose !
YourHumanRights 3 years ago
Foster care is already low on funds and has too many unwanted children. If there would be 50 million extra homeless children in the system, foster care would ultimately fall apart. If abortian was illegal our foster care systsm wouldn't be able to sustain itself. Also these people over and over say that people can always adopt. Then why do so many pro-life people oppose the idea of gay couples adopting children? You can't have both points.
goingemoguy 3 years ago
yeah it's so easy to spit out quick little whips like, "Keep your religion out of my vagina" when thier is no voice saying anything back.
steveosbu 3 years ago
A womans CHOICE ends when she has sex. That's what a man is told when he pays child support. Killing is killing. Hopefully someday abortion will be looked at as infanticide is now. wiki infantside if you have never heard of it.
Ladies if you play you pay. If you can't, adopt.
721studios 4 years ago 2
If every life is precious, when aren't these pro-lifers taking in foster kids?
Instead of talking so stupid.
RSchandel 4 years ago 2
A woman has the right to choose what happens to her body. If you can't understand that, oh well. You still don't get to tell ppl what to do with their bodies. Comparing nazi germany to reproductive choices is offensive. Critical Thinking ppl. If no one has the right to take a life, why do so many of you antichoice ppl support war? Stand up against killing ppl on the planet or shut up.
jmcmovie 4 years ago
I just want to point out that not all people who are "pro life" are "pro war". That is quite a generalization, but a good point in some respect. Taking the opposite stance is equally hypocritical, I hope that you realize that. You may not think that it is murder, but surely you can use your critical thinking and realize why it is that some people feel that way. You made a good point about people who don't believe in killing people being consistant, but if they are then you should respect that.
Gradyc2227 4 years ago
These people came to my campus today. They really need to learn the definition of "genocide". Abortion is not genocide. One of my friends carried around a sign saying "Keep your religion out of my vagina"... loved it!
hmharpri 4 years ago
i love how the conservatives love "our" children but could give a damn about the children we kill from our bombs in iraq. you know, because god is american an all.
bushwick 4 years ago 4
Aeroluv26-"I'm pro choice and pregnant, so don't say I don't love or respect children."
Oh of course! You respect and love them, but you also support a mother's 'right' to kill them?! Wow, even Einstein himself couldn't balance out that equation!
sugalove66 4 years ago
suga-Yes, I love children. I decided to have one because I knew I would love her unconditionally. I'm not everyone. I planned this and spent years preparing my life for her. Not many pregnancies are planned.
AeroLuv26 4 years ago 2
These men in the military chose to enlist. The baby that gets aborted is at the mercy of some slut who can't keep a dick out of her. Don't have sex unless you are ready to have a baby.
airsoft674 4 years ago
yeah, its totally the woman's fault she got pregnant.. umm, a man was involved too.
recapitulation 4 years ago 3
This person did say that very poorly. But in most cases (excluding rape cases) getting pregnant could be prevented. I think that the point about how people inlist for the army with full knowledge of the situation that they are put in is valid. To me it seems like this is the most radically inconsistent issue for the liberal side of the political arena. Being someone who believes in helping the less fortunate I would think that the left side would back the protection of a helpless person...
Gradyc2227 4 years ago
Also, macman13, even if the question really was "does it suffer?", how do we know when it does and doesn't? Right now, the majority say "does it have 'personhood'?" really is the question. But if 'personhood' is sentiency, then...........
sugalove66 4 years ago
I would strongly reccomend the book "Three Approaches to Abortion" by Peter Kreeft. Anyone who has half a brain and any sense of moral decency can see through this book that abortion cannot be tolerated from any point of view whether its the legal, moral, ethical, or religious point of view. It absolutely destroys all pro-choice arguments from any side of the issue Vote Pro Life in 2008 !!!
Sam Brownback or Tom Tancredo
theman1945 4 years ago
FUCKING christians, stop destroying America!
bchina 4 years ago
Also laws against late abortions is a COMPROMISE for the pro-life and pro-choice views, and i hope you can learn why it is so.
gunther72 4 years ago
Somthing i got from Spider-man 3 even though it might sound cruel but it's the scientific truth that a fetus is a type of symbiot that depends on a living being (mother) in order to survive.
gunther72 4 years ago
Once choice of abortion is gone,next will be choice of sexual orientation.Next,go against whoever else looks or acts different then them.
gunther72 4 years ago
Pro lifers like to believe they have the "Absolute Truth",what a good person is how a good person acts how good people live.They go around showing pictures of aborted fetuses while not making any political point based on facts.Tell me the reason why a fetus which depends on the womb of person is a living human being.That is the real issue, whether it is human with rights at that moment or not.
gunther72 4 years ago
A lot of those pictures aren't actually aborted fetuses, but late term miscarriages. Leave it up to pro-lifers to again distort the truth.
Goldhelmriel 4 years ago
"For you formed me in my inward parts, You covered me in my mothers womb...My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in secret...v16... Your eyes saw my substance being yet unformed... The days fashioned for me when as yet there were none" Psalm 139v13
bibleeana 4 years ago
the GAP is funny.
JessCausey 4 years ago
Interesting how the best photo and video evidence is presented by people promoting Jewish propaganda.
heituzi 4 years ago
Yes, Jesus did command us not to judge others. God loves all sinners, but He hates sin. I'm just speaking out against sin, not the sinner. But if a woman has had an abortion, she can still seek God's forgiveness.
nanlisa 4 years ago
I think it's sick when people make these huge posters and display them proudly. I would be SO upset if my child saw something like that. I bet if someone put up pictures of the casualties in Iraq, these same people would be offended. Why can't they respect the lives of the babies they are displaying as if it were a circus freakshow. If you are pro life, at least respect it.
AeroLuv26 4 years ago
"Why can't they respect the lives of the babies"
LMAO That's too funny, and yet disturbing because you're actually serious!
FACE REALITY!!! An abortion isn't just making a spirit disappear, you are killing a human being!
sugalove66 4 years ago
suga-Yeah, and they don't care about them. How would you feel if someone held up a giant picture of your dead child? It's disrespectful and sick! How do you not see that?
AeroLuv26 4 years ago
First, she meant disrespectful to the babies. I found that ironic.
Second, if you are referring to a giant picture of a dead child I aborted,I wouldn't feel disrespected, only guilty.
Finally, it's pretty hypocritical to support something you can't stomach watching.
I find it funny how 'pro-choicers' rant about how a z/e/f should be equivalent to a parasite if non-sentient, but then have a problem with seeing a few pictures of an abortion aftermath!
sugalove66 4 years ago
suga-just because someone doesn't believe abortion should be banned, doesn't mean they enjoy it. I'm pro choice and pregnant, so don't say I don't love or respect children. The difference is that I look at things from many different perspectives.
AeroLuv26 4 years ago
Well if you really are pregnant, then what you're supporting is the belief that the child inside you right now is nothing more than a parasite until it's viable. If someone were to come along *knocks on wood* and attack you just to harm your child, don't you believe your child has the right to justice?
sugalove66 4 years ago
suga-I can't tell people what to believe. If a woman thinks abortion is the only option for her situation, then who are we to judge and say otherwise? She's not doing it because it's fun, she has a purpose behind it. Maybe she's sick physically or mentally. Maybe she isn't financially stable enough. Whatever the reason, I can't force her to have a child she isn't prepared to raise.
AeroLuv26 4 years ago
Could you please stop using that filthy language? I find it very offensive to see "F" word and other profanities on this website. I may report this to Youtube. We can still disagree without using that filthy and foul langauage!
And to the person who told me to "go play in traffic", as a Catholic Christian, it is my obligation and duty to speak out aganist what's right and what's wrong. I don't apologize for being pro-life.
nanlisa 4 years ago
nanlisa- I had no idea that Catholics were supposed to judge and hate people of other beliefs. As far aws I knew, your faith tells you to forgive and not judge. Wow, you learn something new everyday...
AeroLuv26 4 years ago
I loathe pro-lifers who oppose abortion for victims of rape. This woman is a scumbag.
eclecticinfidel 4 years ago
a rape is a wrong, a abortion is wrong, two wrongs dont make a right
nesquick3415 4 years ago
"a rape is a wrong, a abortion is wrong, two wrongs dont make a right"
Right. So victimize the woman again and use the power of the State to force her to have an abortion.
You disgust me.
eclecticinfidel 4 years ago
What makes you think abortion is wrong at all? You're making a judgement based on your own beliefs, that abortion, is infact, killing another human being. One who thinks they have absolute truth and sees people with different views as evil, in my opinion makes themselves evil.
gunther72 4 years ago
Who's FORCING anyone to have an abortion? What are you talking about?! By law, someone must consent to have a medical procedure & the failure of a practitioner to obtain consent & move forward with the procedure would be criminal. Interesting you are trying to limit abortion as a legal choice, which in effect FORCES someone to choose the options YOU deem acceptable.
Goldhelmriel 4 years ago
-Why be taken in so easily?
1) ethics are imagined
or
2) ethics are revealed by a Giver of Life
-can a conscience be without science?
Anyone lying salespeople
(businessfolks having $ but poor anyway)
knows a seared conscience lives - BAD? -just ignorance- Like politicizing thinking avoiding
~'human fetus'~ is a HUMAN BEING
a sunflower fetus is a 'SunFlower Seed'
XENTH4Life 4 years ago
What it these famous people were aborted? Stevie Wonder, Helen Keller, Oprah Winfrey, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Rosemary Kennedy (JFK's late sister), Sophia Loren, Ray Charles, Jose Feliciano, Cher, Heather Whitestone (Miss America 1995), and former Kansas senator Bob Dole. They were either born out of wedlock, in poverty, or with a disability. Their mothers chose to give them life, and so should you.
nanlisa 4 years ago
"Their mothers chose to give them life, and so should you."
Go play in traffic.
eclecticinfidel 4 years ago
The fact you state has no political relevence whatsoever, therefore it is ignorant and it will not change my views. Thank you.
gunther72 4 years ago
That guy in the brown shirt says there are "almost no" children left for adoption in agencies because abortion is killing them all. Are you fucking kidding? That's hilarious. The reason there are two million people on the waiting list is because the agencies aren't filled with cute, little, perfect white babies. So the older children, the children with missing limbs, and the kids with mental retardation: do they suddenly not exist?
daisyfuck 4 years ago
Why not spend your time/effort/money helping kids who are suffering in sweat shops then theorizing if a fetus does/doesn't feel pain and about their rights. I'm sure the argument is 'we care about those kids too!' but you aren't doing shit about those kids other then saying that.
kingcabomba 4 years ago
Kiling inocent babies is so terrible! you cant make a choice over a baby
nesquick3415 4 years ago
I think you mean inNocent babies.
bust1977 4 years ago
what do you mean, reply back, to explaine more clearly what you mean
nesquick3415 4 years ago
Maybe you cannot, but others can. Oppressing women with their physiological conditions is also 'so terrible!' Oh, and by the way, prove that a fetus is the same as a just-born baby. And while you're at it, prove that an acorn is an oak tree and caviar is fish! lol
qFinality 4 years ago
why do you think it is right for innocent babies to be slaughtered!
nesquick3415 4 years ago
In 2002 a pregnant woman tried to take her own life by shooting her self in the stomach. The baby died, the woman lived and the supreme court ruled it as murder of the baby. The only difference in abortion is that it's premeditated.
cosmiccowboy05 4 years ago
The bottom line is that no one has the right to tell anyone else what to do with their own body. It's that simple. These pro-lifers should have been asked if they support the death penalty because if you are against abortion but believe in the death penalty, you are not "pro-life".
ragenut2112 4 years ago
stop trying to bring in different issues and call them the same thing. hell yes i believe that if someone is a mass murderer its ok to put them to death. but not an INNOCENT BABY. not the same thing. at all.
tvn66 4 years ago
Get over yourself.
ragenut2112 4 years ago
What you're doing would be something like this: Do you think people should be able to use meth/cocaine/any drug they want? if not then you are not "pro-choice" because it is their body and they should be able to choose whatever they want with it. see, not the same.
tvn66 4 years ago
Endangerment is a important part of this issue, if the drugs you stated are used for recreational purposes, then yes they should be outlawed since one under the influence of these drugs are considered a danger to society.
gunther72 4 years ago
If these drugs were used for medicinal purposes than it is considered legal since it is for the citizens own good. The same is for aborting fetuses within 25 weeks of when it is concieved or in a life or death situation.
gunther72 4 years ago
women deserve better than abortion.
Delphinus85 5 years ago
Who are you to say that?
ragenut2112 4 years ago
Who are you to say and establish the standard of what it is to be human?
TheAntiV 4 years ago
morality exists. no matter how much you pro-deathers say it doesn't. it is morally wrong to kill an innocent person.
ejmo22 5 years ago
But it is not against the law to kill a parasitic growth in one's womb. This is where the pro-life and pro-choice views are at a difference.
gunther72 4 years ago
Why Can't We Love Them Both? Prebornbabies and Women? Go Pro Life! I am Pro-Women!
silvermoon577 5 years ago
To clear this up, viability is not the ONLY issue. I mentioned it b/c of the legal availability of abortion.
And be honest with yourselves, you would not consider ceasing to try to outlaw abortion at only viability- you want the whole enchilada, to ban abortion completely, plus some of you want to ban many forms of birth control as well, hence the attacks on ECP & the pill. Be honest!
pyramidias 5 years ago
I'm assuming you want to outlaw all abortions post-viability, so, to clear this up, you favor women sometimes dying & allowing harm to their health as a consequence of your 'moral' law to ban those abortions? As long as we're talking morality here.
pyramidias 5 years ago
I'm upset that people, in general, use false information to better thier points in a serious debate. You however are well informed and I respect how you portray you own views.
gunther72 4 years ago
No to your final question, there is still the health & life of the woman to consider post-viability.
But its sad to meet yet another anti-choicer who is willing to sacrifice productive members of our society for ANY reason.
pyramidias 5 years ago
As gestational science improves- it is certainly only one of the considerations for stricter limitation on second trimester- WHICH IS WHAT ROE ALREADY SAYS!!!
Please educate yourself on these issues plus what the legal availability of abortion is in the U.S. before asking such absurd questions & attempting to debate on this issue.
pyramidias 5 years ago
Its not just about wording.
There is no justifiable reason to kill a crack baby. Ever. Not even to prove your point.
Abortion before viability NEVER needs a justifiable reason; the woman does not need to explain why she did it or justify it in any way- legally or morally to less than half the population. Her reason, no matter what it is, is good enough.
Sorry you can't see the difference (even for the sake of your argument), & that you must hang onto the word justified.
pyramidias 5 years ago
You said:
"Abortion before viability NEVER needs a justifiable reason"
On what grounds? I can understand that she does not need to explain herself legally. A woman can legally "terminate" the pregnancy up until the 40th week. I'm sure you won't feel just because something in this world is legal that it is moral.
Help me clear this up. If viability is the issue, are you in favor of banning all terminations" of pregnancies after the point of viability? (i.e. 22-25 weeks)
thwonk121 5 years ago
REALLY?! Abortion up to the 40th week? I didn't realize that the gestation period for humans was 10 months.
Did you mean the 4th month or are you seriously just parroting comments you heard from another ill-informed person, before actually thinking about the facts?
pyramidias 5 years ago
Viability of the fetus is generally & usually considered to be 24-28 weeks, & only last week a baby survived a very premature birth at 25 weeks- the earliest ever. Your 'science' & 'facts' surely leave a lot to be desired.
In addition, However, gestational age is typically not used to measure viability due to its inerrency & MDs usually use birthweight.
Its funny how pro-lifers will latch onto anything that they feel strengthens their position- no matter how factually incorrect.
pyramidias 5 years ago
At any rate, language such as this is a big reason why it is usually fruitless for pro-choicers & pro-lifers to debate. The very few times I've actually had a good debate with a pro-life person is when they & I use neutral language.
pyramidias 5 years ago
I liked that the person conducting the interviews didnt attempt to color the viewers perception of the facts one way or another...the people being interviewed are sharing their views in a pretty peaceful and amicable way.good vid
ThickieWonder 5 years ago
I challenge anyone of these prolifers to work as a nurse or doctor in a maternity ward where more crack babies are born than one would ever want to think about. That's torture. And men, you couldn't even begin to imagine what it's like to be 14, alone and pregnant, so shut the f up. You better make damn sure you're shooting blanks. "I've never been in that situation..." exactly.
flamencoandy 5 years ago
flamencoandy
That's a good point. My wife and I took in a crack baby whose parents abandoned him. His great-grandfather took care of him until the great-grandfather died of cancer 10 years later. My question is: Should we have killed the crack baby when his great-grandfather died or would it only be justifiable to kill him before he was born?
thwonk121 5 years ago
I see where you are going with this but I respectfully disagree with your logic & use of the terms justifiable & kill with regard to an already born baby or attempting to second guess a person's reasoning for continuing a pregnancy or not.
pyramidias 5 years ago
A concept called "wrongful life" which courts continually strike down b/c its impossible to examine someone's life (& any subsequent suffering) & say its better if they would have been aborted.
Few (pro-life or choice) are of the mentality to say that a suffering child should have been aborted to potentially end suffering later, but over half are technically pro-choice b/c there is a legal & moral distinction.
Also, I commend you guys for taking care of babies in need.
pyramidias 5 years ago
pyramidias
You said, "I respectfully disagree with your logic & use of the terms justifiable & kill with regard to an already born baby or attempting to second guess a person's reasoning for continuing a pregnancy or not."
I figure you would disagree, but on what grounds? Why do you disagree with the terminology? How is the logic flawed?
thwonk121 5 years ago
If you figured a pro-choice person would disagree, then you probably are already aware of the language you are using, so you probably don't need me to explain it. But here goes: justifiable means 'to declare free from blame or absolve from guilt' & is used when speaking of murder/homicide. The wording of your question presupposes that the answerer agrees with you that abortion=murder
(cont)
pyramidias 5 years ago
So do you disagree with the word, "kill?" If you prefer the word, "terminate" I can use it instead. Would you rather me "terminate" the crack baby when his grandfather died or is it only justifiable to "terminate" him before is born?
The fetus is after all alive. It's growing, that's the mother's problem!
thwonk121 5 years ago
No, that's not the mother's problem, that's YOUR(pro-lifers') problem.
pyramidias 5 years ago
For an honest debate question, why not just say "Would this be a good reason to have an abortion?" Instead you frame the discussion & force others to acknowledge or accept your logic & terminology if they choose to answer the question. I'm sorry, but that is intellectually dishonest for the purposes of debate about abortion.
Its also a bit strange to even think of those terms when talking about an already born baby.
pyramidias 5 years ago
How in the world could that last guy infer or even think he could possibly know what that friend at his school went through emotionally regarding the abortion? Its amazing that to support their case, anti-choicers will say abortion isn't taken seriously enough by the women who have one, then they'll bring out women who were traumatized by theirs & emphatically state 'post abortion syndome' as a legitimate condition. Which is it?
pyramidias 5 years ago
"Almost no babies up for adoption" LOL
I guess he was only talking about babies & forgot about the countless innocent, defenseless children in foster care.
People are freakin' going overseas for a baby & overlooking all the poor kids under our very noses.
pyramidias 5 years ago
pyramidias
This is very true and a heartbreaking problem in our society. Maybe you can clear something up for me; is your comment in favor of more abortions or fewer?
thwonk121 5 years ago
I was commenting on the tragedy of the issue(so many children of all ages up for adoption) & the absurdity of his statement- was he talking specifically about babies or children in general? If babies- then is he implying babies are worth more or somehow better than an older child (for adoption purposes) or does he mean no children are available to adopt period, in which case he's either misinformed or telling mistruth to ineffectively strengthen his stance.
pyramidias 5 years ago
I don't think anyone is in favor of more abortions (pro-choicers included), so of those two choices & as your question was worded, I pick fewer. However, fewer unwanted pregnancies is the best choice & what I advocate personally- which would mean fewer abortions, fewer children in foster homes, & less heartbreak in the long run.
But if you are asking me if I'm pro-choice or prolife, most definitely pro-choice.
pyramidias 5 years ago
I think the videographer did a good job at letting people just tell their stories.
ubermom 5 years ago
thanks ubermom!
alanspregnant 5 years ago
For as long as the mutilation or removal of a body part is not illegal, neither will abortion. Until the potential life can support itself, it does not qualify as a life. It is, in fact, an extension of the mother's life.
Chopping off a hand is not murder. Aborting a foetus is not murder.
Murder is a legal term, not a moral one. They're arguing the wrong thing to begin with.
NamedTube 5 years ago
Well said.
flamencoandy 5 years ago
kindtokochan 5 years ago
I have a cousin who was adopted and a friend that was very close to being aborted(because of rape). they are both successful, happy, and upstanding members of society.
tvn66 5 years ago
I like how they link abortion to breast cancer and THEN use the images of the woman from India who declined breat cancer treatment to make it OMG SO GORY!
Nice propaganda, asshats.
I will be doing what I want with my body and any unintentional parasites will be dealt with, thank you.
xenobia 5 years ago
how can you call a baby an "unintentional parasite?" you are sick.
tvn66 5 years ago
I'll do what the hell I want with my uterus, thank you.
InvaderPichu 5 years ago
Wow.. just WRAP IT UP! And/Or take birth control.. we were all "parasidic entities" at one point.. don't make more of us!! It's not that hard.
raceyboy 5 years ago
Interesting that most of the anti-choice folks are also for the Iraq war which has resulted in the deaths of thousands of civilians, including young children. Most are also for the death penalty. Gotta love the hypocritical, confused evangelicals.
matterson1971 5 years ago
Natural childbirth is said to be the most painful experience on Earth. It turns my stomach that someone would force a rape victim to go through with it.
mefornow 5 years ago
It also disturbs me that the guy in the beginning dared to imply that genocide victims are on the same as first trimester fetuses that are incapable of feelings or thought.
mefornow 5 years ago
As for adoption, there are plenty of kids in foster care that are waiting to be adopted. Most people just want the white newborns with no special needs. They could really give a damn about the black eight-year-old, or the blind kid. These children rot int the system until they turn eighteen and are thrown out on their asses.
mefornow 5 years ago
'convenience?' Pregnancy is not just an inconvience.
mefornow 5 years ago
abortion is murder.
every child has a right to life no matter what the circumstance!
99.5% of abortion is out of convenience
kyleBOTD 5 years ago
Where's that statistic from?
pyramidias 5 years ago
It's kind of disturbing for that one guy to say that the reason why families can't adopt babies are because they're being aborted. This isn't really true, because there millions of orphans in the foster care. To be quite honest, I would like to see how many pro lifers adopted children.
passionlily 5 years ago
I actually know who this guy is. He lived in the same dorm I did. He speaks from his arse most of the time. I nearly spit out of my drink when he said that.
SoonerinCollege 5 years ago
Crime Rates have gone down in the United States since Roe vs. Wade..
Just something to think about..
OUGreg723 5 years ago
who is going to take care of all these babies if they are born?
the pro lifers all about making the woman give birth.
are the pro lifers going to adopt the thousands of babies that would be born each month?????
Meni69 5 years ago
I love how vidviewer said the pro-choicers want to ban the pro-life movement's first amendment rights (ridiculous, pro-lifers have every right to be wrong and loud about it)... completely omitting how the pro-life movement strives day in and day out to ban women's rights. Hypocrite.
chthonic16 5 years ago
I don't think so. The woman does not have a right to murder a child. It becomes complete and living after about a month and a half of gestation, when the brain waves and heart begin to function; it can reproduce its own cells and is totally unique and distinguishable from any other organism alive. No girl should have the right to end that life.
tinkerkid 5 years ago
ACTUALLY, it is not a full human being because it cannot survive on its own outside the womb. Therefore its relationship to the woman is parasidic in nature. Whats more important here, the rights of the individual living and breathing human being, or the rights of the parasitic entity inside the human being?
recapitulation 5 years ago
It can't survive on its own outside the woman's womb at 6 years. Should the mother get to kill it then if she decides she doesn't want it!? Also, it is legal to abort babies up to birth, and it could survive if it was premature.
macman13 5 years ago
If it was only their cause to make laws against late abortions than i wouldn't have a problem with it, but my issue with it is that they are trying to outlaw choice of abortion completely, whether human with rights, or not.
gunther72 4 years ago
"If it was only their cause to make laws against late abortions than i wouldn't have a problem with it"
Me too, I have been thinking a lot about this issue since I posted that and have realized that the question shouldn't even be "is it human" but "does it suffer."
macman13 4 years ago
you make a good point, but is it suffering as a human being or is it suffering as a potential human being?
gunther72 4 years ago
If we're going to start worrying about "potential human beings," then anytime you pass up a chance to have sex you are depriving a "potential human being" of life.
macman13 4 years ago
Correction: Sperm=potential human being;Egg=potential human being
Zygote/Embryo/Fetus=Human Being with potential
sugalove66 4 years ago
Yeah, I think I already mentioned that the question I'm after is not "is it human" but "does it suffer." So really, anytime before a nervous system I think is probably OK, and we can debate as to after that.
macman13 4 years ago
Not everyone is born with sentience, so I don't think the question "does it suffer?" applies. What if someone who was born with serious brain disfunctions and without the ability to sense pain was stabbed to death? Because that person lacks perception and feeling, s/he didn't necessarily suffer. So, would that make their death lawful?
sugalove66 4 years ago
Well, it would cause a sever amount of emotional pain to the parents of the child and would therefore be causing suffering, albeit not to the stabbed person. Basically, this sounds like a terry schiavo argument, but instead of removing a feeding tube it's stabbing.
macman13 4 years ago
Abortion is not the same as genocide. Idiots
SugarSOAD 5 years ago
Unfortunately, the abortionists want to ban the Frist Amendment rights of the pro-life movement.
VidViewer 6 years ago
unfortunately, the pro-life movement is batshit crazy.
alanspregnant 6 years ago
gen·o·cide Audio pronunciation of "genocide" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jn-sd)
n.
The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.
ashmarie88 5 years ago