NO ONE pays as COMMANDED BY GOD today. 1st TITHE. Num. 18 commands this tithe for Levites. Levi. 27 30-33 = crops & animals in herds/flocks. Why? – Substitute for land inheritance. 2nd. Deut. 14 22-27 = of crops, + add firstborn animals, take to yearly feast. Why? - "that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always". 3rd. Deut. 14 28-29 = of crops, kept home, & invite Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat. Why? - feed poor Who EXACTLY FOLLOWS God today? On the 7th year no tithes
The Tithe was for the Levites ONLY! (Duet. 14:22-29). If you could not prove that you were a Levite you were considered as defiled (Nehemiah 7:60-65) and could not perform as God's priest. Also there was only ONE PLACE that you could offer these tithes or offerings....... IN JERUSALEM! (Deut. 12:4-14) Most if not all Leaders, avoid these scriptures! Ask yourself ......who changed it if Jesus didn't?
I pray that the people understand the concept of giving and are not being mislead. Churches according to the bible are not allowed to accept tithes in any form because the tithes are for levites in the old testament who had no inheritance.
Not only does this church teach false doctrine, but they have the nerve to place it on YT. Stop that! You're not serving God by continuing in false doctrine to have others believe what this Pastor obviously knows nothing of.
Will a pastor rob the church? Tithing was not given to the church. Free will offering is. Why can't the pastors just trust God with the free will offerings. I believe God will work on the people's heart if the pastors have faith and tell the truth about tithing. Jesus is coming soon and pastors will have to give an account of these lies. Take time to preach on the coming of the Lord. On how to be ready. Acts 2:38 is still his plan of salvation.
Tithing works! Just have faith. It will comeback to you. 10 % of your gross is all you need. whatever is done with your tithe is not for you to worry about. Just know that it is a good deed of unselfishness, and that in itself is enough for you to be happy about. peace, joy, health, prosperity and happiness to all :)
@wilbert916 First of all the tithe has nothing to do with 10%. I know you've never heard this before right? When you're ready for a full explanation, respond to this post, have your bible open, get a calculator and we will engage in the tithe lesson.
tithing and offering does not teach you the budget or money or teach you how to have better faith or to show how much you love god. its funny how tithers will only remember tithes and offering in malichi, but nothing else. this is sad.
God was not speaking to the "community" in Malachi. He was speaking to Levitical Priests. You have no scriptural precedent to prove tithing was anything more than crops, and or animals. NEVER was it monetary. This is a tired, old, and fallacious methodology of fleecing the flock. My people perish for the lack of knowledge... Study your scripture beloved....
No, I don't support tithing but I can't stop anyone from doing it. Like the man that was converted and he wanted to be baptised. Peter said who would prevent him from being baptised?
2 Pet 2:1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Give it time, this guy will have his own 2 million dollar house and privat jet just like the rest of these wolves who act and speak godly. My answer to this is Rev 18:4. I did it, and God lifted the vail from my eyes and now see what is happening
@SwordofManticorE My veil was lifted when I gave all I had. I read Hebrew 7. it talks about tithing. I give to God but I give the way Yeshua (Jesus) said give. I give to the poor. When I give to the poor, I am giving to God. Yeshua (Jesus) said, what ever you do to the least of theses brothers, you have done it to me. Does not matter what it is. Whether it is time, money, food, goats or chicken... lol. Doesn't matter. As long as you do it with a clean heart.
@kdunc41 Yes give, but do not boast. Giving and paying tithes are two seperate things. Giving is from the heart, but the tithe is giving because of the law. If you believe in one law, then you must believe in them all and not break one. BTW, the apostel Paul never once to a tithe and Heb 7 does not support the tithe, it does the opposite. Read it again.
@SwordofManticorE Why read it again? I believe hebrew 7. I can't support tithing but I do support giving. What gave you the idea that I support tithing. I gave you hebrew 7 for a reason. Paul, He also said he spoke in tongues more than you all. Was he boasting? Jesus said don't be like the hypocrites cause they love to announce their giving (with trumpets too). Can we do anything in secret, without looking for anything in return? this is the essence of his teaching.
@kdunc41 Well dont let me stop you from reading scripture if you already know it by heart. What you fail to understand about christian tithing is that there are two problems with it. 1, It is wrong and the pastor is stealling from his congregation and knows it. or 2, He does not know it and believes it and it makes him unqualified to preach the word of God if he does not understand it. What is he then teach his congregation then?
@SwordofManticorE And who gave you the idea that I didn't understand about Christians tithing? I know we are free from it. Thats not new. What is new to me is how so many would willingly over look hebrew 7 and the teachings of Yeshua when it comes to giving. Oh, and God uses the unqualifid all through the bible. It is when we qualify our self that makes it disorderly and unqualified. I call it, the march of the selfordained.
@kdunc41 Ok let me put unqualified biblical. False teachers preaching false teachings such as tithing. If you dont support tithing, then what is your point other than giving. When I first wrote to you I was under the strong impression that you supported it.
@SwordofManticorE ?... LOL thanks alot. Scanning my previous post and reply..................... I don't see where or when I gave that impression. And thanks for your interpretation of unqualified. It didn't sound to biblical though. false preachers and false prophets are just wolves in sheeps clothing. Always biting and tearing at others and each other. Moses was unqualified. Jonah was unqualified and so was everyone in the bible except 4 Yeshua. But it does not matter to those that do tithe?
I'm glad you understand that we're free of Tithing. What puzzles me is that you use Hebrews 7, which is meant to show that LEVI tithed, and that we now have a better system than that which included Tithing.
Sadly, pro-Tithers take Hebrews 7 way out of context.
As for being self-ordained, that also puzzles me. The New Covenant teaches that all who believe in Christ are a nation of Priests (1 peter 2:9), with Jesus as our High Priest.
tithing is under the law. if one wants to tithe then it is imperative that one find a
Levitical priest serving in the temple to properly handle your offering. being that the temple was destroyed about two thousand years ago, you're going to need a time machine to find the temple. this man is a charlatan.
killed according to the law you people are following these false teachers stop tithing its not a commandment im not saying dont give but using malachi saying would a man rob god its talking to jacob but i bet that crooked pastor wont tell you that people please read these things for yourself
this is sending christians to hell all this bondage teaching trying to show these people hot to tithe knowing tithing is not for the gentiles but for the jews if paul was still walking earth these pastors who arent teaching the grace would all be
How come Jesus Never gave a commandment concerning tithes Mabey because Mal. 3:8-10 was under the Old Covenant! Research it, tithes was Food not Money (Levit. 27:30-34) (Numbers 18:20-32) (Deut. 12:8-12, 17-19, 14:22-27) Don't be deceived they did have money back then (Gen. 37:28, 44:1-9) Read your Bible this is a False Doctrine the Apostles told us to Remember the Poor (Gal. 2:9-10)
We live sacrificial lives, not just our money. Tithing was under the law intended fot the 12 tribes of Israel. We give under grace which is a higher call than the law. We give cheerfully, as one has set in his heart to give. Northing kills inspiration more than obligation. We are not obligated to pay tithes, we should be inspired to give
The Tithe has NOTHING to do with finances. Read Matthew 23:23 yourself. The Pharisees Tithed from the spices in their garden, not money.
Malachi 3 is talking to the Levites who were withholding the tenth of the tenth from the Priests. The Levites were keeping the food for themselves instead of feeding the Priests. The Tithe was always food, never money.
Either Jesus fulfilled the Law or we are no longer under Law.
Twisting and distorting the Bible, does not make God pleased with you.
*Either Jesus fulfilled the Law, or we are still under Law. And if we are still under the Law, we must obey ALL of the Law, not just one.
Insisting that we keep just one of the Laws while disregarding the rest of the Law will not please God.
Why does the Church love Malachi 3 so much? I believe it is because the Church is NOT trusting, depending on, or relying on God. The Church instead chooses to take a handful of verses out of context, using them to force people to give money.
Most people have never even read the entire book of Malachi; they only start at chapter three while neglecting the other chapters. Per Malachi 2:9, the priests were being partial towards the law. Today's ministers are also being partial towards the law because they only keep the portion that is convenient for them. History has a strange way of repeating itself.
Actually, the Bible commands that once a year the Hebrews use their tithes to have a hell of a party, and to use these holy tithes to buy strong drink! Or whatever they lust for! "Then shalt thou turn it into money... And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice" Deuteronomy 14 22-26 Party on, brother!
I love you all and understand what you are saying and it is all true but Jesus also said do it, not to offend them. This is out of love and not out of the law. But I would suggest you find a church that is new testament based. Grace founded in love of the truth. Not giving in to seducing spirits. It is a hard task but it will free you from the wave of "the great falling away" which has already begun. This is not "the great back sliding" as you would think.
@blueskunk12 Doing what Yeshua said is not legalism. It is a belief that his teaching is true and you do believe. Jesus said if you love me you would obey my commandments. His teaching is sound and is based on truth and love. My sheep hear my voice. The devil tried to get Yeshua to do things the bible said but it was not for him to tempt the Lord or try to get him to do certain things to see if he believe he was the son of God.
You quoted Mal:3:8-11 Let us see closer who was stealing the tithe Mal.2:1-5 It was the priest. Neh.10:29 we see why they was cursed with a curse ,because they had already made a oath or vow to God to walk in God's laws, Now let us see what else you quoted wrong Mal.3:8-11 is based on Lev.27:30-32 You can not tithe in the form of money ,it has to be in the form of food products and it has to be paid to the Levite priest and it can only can come from the Land of Israel.
@Scoobieish I wonder if he understands the bible and that offering is the basis of giving to God. Why is he stuck on the tithing. Because it is part of his income.
Freewill offering. STOP IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. Where is the preaching on salvation? Acts 2:38. U can give all the money u want, and still end up in hell if u don't have salvation. U preach faith, then why lie about tithes. Believe God that he will touch the people to freely give like they did in the Bible. How can u hold on to a part of the law. All this time on tithes, somebody could of been getting saved if he used the time preaching on salvation. FREEWILL OFFERING.
Exactly. All these religious leaders keep talking about money because that's what they care about. They don't care about salvation. They don't care about freewill offerings. They care about how much money they can get.
They're more concerned with maintaining the building, improving the sound system, paving the parking lot, and keeping people overseas...and how they're going to pay for all this...than they are in teaching the truth, that if we focus on God first, He will provide.
This man is a shameless lair and a false apostel selling the word of God. A King does not tax His children Matt 17:24-27.
Tithing was from the old laws that were nailed to the cross. Jesus says that who ever thirsts for the water of life, He will give it freely. Dont be fooled by wolves (false apostels) in sheeps clothing (pretending to act godly).
2Pet2:1 , just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.
Malachi was written to Old Testament Levites who were under Law. It was not written to us today.
I'm so tired of hearing false Teachers who are either deceiving or are themselves deceived. They pick and choose which parts of the Bible they like and ignore the parts they don't.
The Tithe was for Levites, Priests, the poor, aliens, and widows in Israel. Only Levites could collect the Tithe. There are no Levites today.
But people teach this the Tithe because they love money, not God.
there is no such thing as a new testament tithe. God replaced the tithe with a new nature called a giving heart. These guys are running a ponzi scheme. I cant tell you how many " church people" owe me money. Money that they could not get out of the benevolent fund from a church that they had been " tithing " to for over 10 years. If they had kept their tithe , they would'nt be in my debt.
Good title for this video. Why tithe? Isn't that the whole point. Why on earth are you tithing if you are a New Testament believer?
Using Malachi out of context and trying to apply it to new covenant believers is no excuse.
If you don't have faith in God to provide for the needs of your ministry then I would suggest that you get a job. It is a serious thing to fleece the flock. Paul, the great apostle, worked so why can't you?
Are you serving the one true God or the god of mammon?
Pepole Please read the Bible for yourself, when reading Malachi, ask yourself these questions; Who's doing the Talking? and who's being spoken to? I don't understand how we come to the conculsion this applies to us today. it does'nt take a Bible Professor to understand this puts a yoke of bondage around the necks of God's people.
I totally agree with you. I think some people misuse the scriptures regarding tithing because they are trying to secure a guaranteed income for themselves instead of trusting God in faith to sustain them.
Believer's are under grace and not the law and that includes giving. God loves a cheerful giver and we are not to give under compulsion but willingly.
Christ sets you free while men try to put you into some kind of bondage.
Exactly! We are not under the Old Covenant! God has given us a New Covenant, and it is time for us to act like New Covenant Christians, not Old Covenant Jews!
Yes, the whole Bible is good for instruction, but that does not mean we have to obey every command!
And you're right about Paul, he said he set an example for people to follow - he worked day and night so as not to be a burden to anyone. Yet our Pastors do not follow the example Paul set.
Tithes were only for ancient Israelites. And one of the purposes of the tithe was to have a BIG party once a year with gluttony and booze! Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul LUSTETH after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for WINE, or for STRONG DRINK, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household Party on, brothers!
Malachi 3:8 and 9 were for the priest back in the old testement...not todays christains. It was the priest who had robbed God 2500 years ago or so. go to malachi 2: 1-5...stop listening to this liar.
Amen. I wish that many Christians be free from this bondage like I was three years ago. I totally blame myself because I went along with the teaching instead of studying the scriptures. These pastors will definitely have to answer to God for this false teaching that has been keeping christians in bondage. Glad I found out the truth.
Well your ok now. Stop tithing. Help the poor, fatherless, elderly when you have the chance. if some bum ask you for spare change...just take him to the resturant if hes hungry. I do this when I have a chance when i run into someone thats in need.
Jacob never paid tithes but he made a vow to God Gen. 28:20-22
does not ask for money but fruit and vegtables and meat. Deut. 12:6-7).
levites were the only ones were worthy to take T AND Offerings and the tithes were for the poor...not church building and getting more members to take money from them.Leviticus 27:30-33
GIVE WHAT YOU HAVE, NOT WHAT YOU DONT HAVE.(II Cor. 8:10-12, The Living Bible).
II Chronicles 31:5, 6, 12
So study the scriptures before you judge me.The old law is gone.
The 501c3 satanic system in opperation. Its not about your soul, or holliness or repentance of sin, but money. We are to give freely from the heart, not pay tithes under the Mosaic and Levitical Law. Please brothers and sisters, get out of the Babylonian whore church. The most High (YHWH) is calling us back to him.
Tithing is the financial manifestation of faith! If we believe and trust God with our lives then we should be able to trust God with money and believe that He will provide for us. Please read Matthew 23:23, when Jesus says without neglecting the former he is reminding us that though there are many other standards we need to up hold tithing too remains important. May God continue to bless you as you wrestle in your walk.
Concerning Matthew 23:23, During that time, they were still under the law. Jesus had not yet gone to the cross; Jesus was rebuking them for following the law but neglecting mercy and faith. Besides he was talking about tithing mint, anise, cummin. He was'nt referring to money. Nowhere in scripture confirms we must tithe so God can provide for us. He'll provide for us whether or not we tithe. So if you want to tithe like what Jesus is talking about then you should tithe mint, cummin...Not money..
The "Former" = "The Commandments" not the law. Yehua sent Yehushua so we can rise above the law. There are too many documents in scripture and out that outperform the law. Allow The Savior to release your mind my dear friend- Shalom.
@ebcny Mat 23 23 is because the old covenant wasnt abolished yet, but while were at Matt, let us read Matthew 17:24-27. This man on the video is a thief.
@ebcny Matthew 23:23 Jesus is clearly telling these Pharisees that justice, mercy and faithfulness are MORE IMPORTANT than tithing. Jesus acknowledged the LAW because he was yet to go toCalvary, freeing us from "sacrifices"(including tithing)making it possible to GIVE FREELY. Also,read 2Cor. 8:12-13.And, read ALL of Malachi not just the verses that have been twisted, misinterpreted & taken out of context!! I no longer "wrestle" with MY walk for I have been set free from the LAW of sacrifices!
Exactly. Either the law is fulfilled in Christ as Paul claims, or we are still under the whole law, all 613 commands.
But it was not Jesus' birth that brought in the New Covenant. It was Jesus' death. And until then, Jesus confirmed the Old Covenant because it was still in effect. Many, many people are unaware of this simple fact.
@ebcny Tithing have nothing to do with money! It's clear that seminary has confused church leadership into teaching people a false doctrine of tithing money. Read Leviticus 27:30-31 for what the tithe is and how it can be bought back. Here is clarity on Matthew 23:23. This verse is confirming the validity of tithing but it's also helping us understand that the tithe consists of the fruit of the tree and the seed of the land.Look closely at what's being tithed without taking this out of context.
@ebcny Tithing have nothing to do with money! It's clear that seminary has clearly confused church leadership into teaching people a false doctrine of tithing money. Read Leviticus 27:30-31 for what the tithe is and how it can be bought back. Yes, that's correct bought back. Matthew 23:23 is verifying the validity of tithing but it's also ensure that the tithe is the fruit of the tree and the seed of the land. Look carefully @ what is being tithed without taking this verse out of context.
How can tithing teach you how to budget God's blessing? After you tithe you would'nt have any money to budget because you'll be BROKE. What preachers will do to get members money! and whats so sad is the ignorant christians who follow them instead of studying the scriptures...SO SAD!!
You are 100% Correct. Lying preachers profit on the ignorance of people who do not study.. So true. After a good study session, the one who did the studying is then empowered to fight Satan more. The more we study, the more powerful we become and when falsehoods arise, because we've studied God's ways, we can not be deceived.
Give your tithes because you want to. Malachi 3:8 is referring to the law we are not under the law therefore we are not commanded to pay tithes and we will not be cursed When you give your tithes doso under grace freely and cheerfully. No where in the new testamnet does it say to tithe. You as new covenanent believers are not under the curse of the law and its oppression if so we would only goto church on saturday and still sacrifice animals.
You need to pay your tithes. Don't believe me? Hebrews 7 says that not only did Abraham pay tithes, but also the tribe of Levi wilst they were still in his loins payed tithes to the Most High Priest. Abraham gave a tenth to the (High Priest Melchisedec) who was God for he had no beginning, mother, or father. Jesus(the Most High Priest) was after the order of Melchisedec and is the son of God for he was in the beginning with God. Therefore, the tribe of Levi payed tithes to Jesus Christ.
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NO ONE pays as COMMANDED BY GOD today. 1st TITHE. Num. 18 commands this tithe for Levites. Levi. 27 30-33 = crops & animals in herds/flocks. Why? – Substitute for land inheritance. 2nd. Deut. 14 22-27 = of crops, + add firstborn animals, take to yearly feast. Why? - "that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always". 3rd. Deut. 14 28-29 = of crops, kept home, & invite Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat. Why? - feed poor Who EXACTLY FOLLOWS God today? On the 7th year no tithes
TithingStudy 5 months ago
The Tithe was for the Levites ONLY! (Duet. 14:22-29). If you could not prove that you were a Levite you were considered as defiled (Nehemiah 7:60-65) and could not perform as God's priest. Also there was only ONE PLACE that you could offer these tithes or offerings....... IN JERUSALEM! (Deut. 12:4-14) Most if not all Leaders, avoid these scriptures! Ask yourself ......who changed it if Jesus didn't?
DualPortal 8 months ago
I pray that the people understand the concept of giving and are not being mislead. Churches according to the bible are not allowed to accept tithes in any form because the tithes are for levites in the old testament who had no inheritance.
steviseso 9 months ago
This brings SHAME on the Christian church!
DetoxMansion 11 months ago
Not only does this church teach false doctrine, but they have the nerve to place it on YT. Stop that! You're not serving God by continuing in false doctrine to have others believe what this Pastor obviously knows nothing of.
nightcypha 11 months ago
Will a pastor rob the church? Tithing was not given to the church. Free will offering is. Why can't the pastors just trust God with the free will offerings. I believe God will work on the people's heart if the pastors have faith and tell the truth about tithing. Jesus is coming soon and pastors will have to give an account of these lies. Take time to preach on the coming of the Lord. On how to be ready. Acts 2:38 is still his plan of salvation.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
You preaching from your belly sir,
tithing was always food product form from the land of Israel onlyLev.27:30
1 Peter 2 :9 Priest don't tithe.they make offerings
Scoobieish 1 year ago
Tithing works! Just have faith. It will comeback to you. 10 % of your gross is all you need. whatever is done with your tithe is not for you to worry about. Just know that it is a good deed of unselfishness, and that in itself is enough for you to be happy about. peace, joy, health, prosperity and happiness to all :)
wilbert916 1 year ago
@wilbert916 First of all the tithe has nothing to do with 10%. I know you've never heard this before right? When you're ready for a full explanation, respond to this post, have your bible open, get a calculator and we will engage in the tithe lesson.
Thebibleconsultant 1 year ago
tithing and offering does not teach you the budget or money or teach you how to have better faith or to show how much you love god. its funny how tithers will only remember tithes and offering in malichi, but nothing else. this is sad.
cboxdrives 1 year ago
God was not speaking to the "community" in Malachi. He was speaking to Levitical Priests. You have no scriptural precedent to prove tithing was anything more than crops, and or animals. NEVER was it monetary. This is a tired, old, and fallacious methodology of fleecing the flock. My people perish for the lack of knowledge... Study your scripture beloved....
Boanerges7 1 year ago
No, I don't support tithing but I can't stop anyone from doing it. Like the man that was converted and he wanted to be baptised. Peter said who would prevent him from being baptised?
kdunc41 1 year ago
This is incorrect teaching of the book of Malachi!
MomCheeto4 1 year ago
2 Pet 2:1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Give it time, this guy will have his own 2 million dollar house and privat jet just like the rest of these wolves who act and speak godly. My answer to this is Rev 18:4. I did it, and God lifted the vail from my eyes and now see what is happening
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE My veil was lifted when I gave all I had. I read Hebrew 7. it talks about tithing. I give to God but I give the way Yeshua (Jesus) said give. I give to the poor. When I give to the poor, I am giving to God. Yeshua (Jesus) said, what ever you do to the least of theses brothers, you have done it to me. Does not matter what it is. Whether it is time, money, food, goats or chicken... lol. Doesn't matter. As long as you do it with a clean heart.
kdunc41 1 year ago
@kdunc41 Yes give, but do not boast. Giving and paying tithes are two seperate things. Giving is from the heart, but the tithe is giving because of the law. If you believe in one law, then you must believe in them all and not break one. BTW, the apostel Paul never once to a tithe and Heb 7 does not support the tithe, it does the opposite. Read it again.
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE Why read it again? I believe hebrew 7. I can't support tithing but I do support giving. What gave you the idea that I support tithing. I gave you hebrew 7 for a reason. Paul, He also said he spoke in tongues more than you all. Was he boasting? Jesus said don't be like the hypocrites cause they love to announce their giving (with trumpets too). Can we do anything in secret, without looking for anything in return? this is the essence of his teaching.
kdunc41 1 year ago
@kdunc41 Well dont let me stop you from reading scripture if you already know it by heart. What you fail to understand about christian tithing is that there are two problems with it. 1, It is wrong and the pastor is stealling from his congregation and knows it. or 2, He does not know it and believes it and it makes him unqualified to preach the word of God if he does not understand it. What is he then teach his congregation then?
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE And who gave you the idea that I didn't understand about Christians tithing? I know we are free from it. Thats not new. What is new to me is how so many would willingly over look hebrew 7 and the teachings of Yeshua when it comes to giving. Oh, and God uses the unqualifid all through the bible. It is when we qualify our self that makes it disorderly and unqualified. I call it, the march of the selfordained.
kdunc41 1 year ago
@kdunc41 Ok let me put unqualified biblical. False teachers preaching false teachings such as tithing. If you dont support tithing, then what is your point other than giving. When I first wrote to you I was under the strong impression that you supported it.
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE ?... LOL thanks alot. Scanning my previous post and reply..................... I don't see where or when I gave that impression. And thanks for your interpretation of unqualified. It didn't sound to biblical though. false preachers and false prophets are just wolves in sheeps clothing. Always biting and tearing at others and each other. Moses was unqualified. Jonah was unqualified and so was everyone in the bible except 4 Yeshua. But it does not matter to those that do tithe?
kdunc41 1 year ago
@kdunc41
I'm glad you understand that we're free of Tithing. What puzzles me is that you use Hebrews 7, which is meant to show that LEVI tithed, and that we now have a better system than that which included Tithing.
Sadly, pro-Tithers take Hebrews 7 way out of context.
As for being self-ordained, that also puzzles me. The New Covenant teaches that all who believe in Christ are a nation of Priests (1 peter 2:9), with Jesus as our High Priest.
So all ordination is false and is not of God.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
tithing is under the law. if one wants to tithe then it is imperative that one find a
Levitical priest serving in the temple to properly handle your offering. being that the temple was destroyed about two thousand years ago, you're going to need a time machine to find the temple. this man is a charlatan.
babeCZar 1 year ago
killed according to the law you people are following these false teachers stop tithing its not a commandment im not saying dont give but using malachi saying would a man rob god its talking to jacob but i bet that crooked pastor wont tell you that people please read these things for yourself
thetruth2337 1 year ago
this is sending christians to hell all this bondage teaching trying to show these people hot to tithe knowing tithing is not for the gentiles but for the jews if paul was still walking earth these pastors who arent teaching the grace would all be
thetruth2337 1 year ago
How come Jesus Never gave a commandment concerning tithes Mabey because Mal. 3:8-10 was under the Old Covenant! Research it, tithes was Food not Money (Levit. 27:30-34) (Numbers 18:20-32) (Deut. 12:8-12, 17-19, 14:22-27) Don't be deceived they did have money back then (Gen. 37:28, 44:1-9) Read your Bible this is a False Doctrine the Apostles told us to Remember the Poor (Gal. 2:9-10)
DualPortal 1 year ago
How will a man rob YAH? By manipulating weak minded sheep ,that don’t study scriptures for themselves.
nomyaw 1 year ago
We live sacrificial lives, not just our money. Tithing was under the law intended fot the 12 tribes of Israel. We give under grace which is a higher call than the law. We give cheerfully, as one has set in his heart to give. Northing kills inspiration more than obligation. We are not obligated to pay tithes, we should be inspired to give
nomyaw 1 year ago
1.Tithe was never money.
2.Tithe weren't taking by Elders or preachers
3.Only farmers and animal rearers tithed
4.People ate the tithe
5.The storehouse wasn't the temple or church.
6.Abraham didn't keep the 90% for himself he gave it to the king of Sodom
7.We are no longer under old testament law
27ade 1 year ago
DONT TITHE ! You are MUGS if you do !!
jontibloom 1 year ago
The Tithe has NOTHING to do with finances. Read Matthew 23:23 yourself. The Pharisees Tithed from the spices in their garden, not money.
Malachi 3 is talking to the Levites who were withholding the tenth of the tenth from the Priests. The Levites were keeping the food for themselves instead of feeding the Priests. The Tithe was always food, never money.
Either Jesus fulfilled the Law or we are no longer under Law.
Twisting and distorting the Bible, does not make God pleased with you.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
*Either Jesus fulfilled the Law, or we are still under Law. And if we are still under the Law, we must obey ALL of the Law, not just one.
Insisting that we keep just one of the Laws while disregarding the rest of the Law will not please God.
Why does the Church love Malachi 3 so much? I believe it is because the Church is NOT trusting, depending on, or relying on God. The Church instead chooses to take a handful of verses out of context, using them to force people to give money.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12
Most people have never even read the entire book of Malachi; they only start at chapter three while neglecting the other chapters. Per Malachi 2:9, the priests were being partial towards the law. Today's ministers are also being partial towards the law because they only keep the portion that is convenient for them. History has a strange way of repeating itself.
suaved 1 year ago
@suaved
I agree.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
I love you all and understand what you are saying and it is all true but Jesus also said do it, not to offend them. This is out of love and not out of the law. But I would suggest you find a church that is new testament based. Grace founded in love of the truth. Not giving in to seducing spirits. It is a hard task but it will free you from the wave of "the great falling away" which has already begun. This is not "the great back sliding" as you would think.
kdunc41 2 years ago
@kdunc41
Do you believe in doing everything Jesus said? Then why don't you?
Matthew 18:8
"If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away."
Matthew 18:9
"If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away".
John 13:8
Jesus answered, "Unless I wash you, you have no part with me."
You're right, grace if found in love and truth. But it does not mean doing everything Jesus said. That is not grace. That is legalism.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 Doing what Yeshua said is not legalism. It is a belief that his teaching is true and you do believe. Jesus said if you love me you would obey my commandments. His teaching is sound and is based on truth and love. My sheep hear my voice. The devil tried to get Yeshua to do things the bible said but it was not for him to tempt the Lord or try to get him to do certain things to see if he believe he was the son of God.
kdunc41 1 year ago
@kdunc41
Are you willing to discuss this with me in Private Messages, or do you just want me to agree with you?
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 Sure...
kdunc41 1 year ago
@kdunc41
The trouble is, Jesus doesn't say Tithing is a matter of faith. Jesus says the Tithe is a matter of law.
Another problem is that Rev. Trufant digs up Malachi 3, which is part of the Old Covenant.
Either we are still bound to the Old Covenant with its 613 laws, or we have been given a NEW Covenant under Christ.
We cannot be part of the New Covenant while following the Old Covenant.
If you'd like to talk about this with me any further, please send me a Private Message.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@kdunc41 It is not the church we should look for, the church is a whore. We should let God bring His Ekklesia together.
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
You quoted Mal:3:8-11 Let us see closer who was stealing the tithe Mal.2:1-5 It was the priest. Neh.10:29 we see why they was cursed with a curse ,because they had already made a oath or vow to God to walk in God's laws, Now let us see what else you quoted wrong Mal.3:8-11 is based on Lev.27:30-32 You can not tithe in the form of money ,it has to be in the form of food products and it has to be paid to the Levite priest and it can only can come from the Land of Israel.
Scoobieish 2 years ago
@Scoobieish I wonder if he understands the bible and that offering is the basis of giving to God. Why is he stuck on the tithing. Because it is part of his income.
kdunc41 2 years ago
Romans 8:14 Those who are led by the spirit of God are the sons of God.
Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the spirit of God you are not under the law.
Read all of Galatians; Paul explains that we are not under the law and that the just should live by faith.
So what do we give if we aren't under the law to tithe? Read 2Cor 9:7
We are free to give from our hearts! Help those in need! And to be totally honest, the tithe was food (crops) not money! Read your Bible!
tashafawn24 2 years ago
Freewill offering. STOP IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. Where is the preaching on salvation? Acts 2:38. U can give all the money u want, and still end up in hell if u don't have salvation. U preach faith, then why lie about tithes. Believe God that he will touch the people to freely give like they did in the Bible. How can u hold on to a part of the law. All this time on tithes, somebody could of been getting saved if he used the time preaching on salvation. FREEWILL OFFERING.
rossdaboss1959 2 years ago
@rossdaboss1959
Exactly. All these religious leaders keep talking about money because that's what they care about. They don't care about salvation. They don't care about freewill offerings. They care about how much money they can get.
They're more concerned with maintaining the building, improving the sound system, paving the parking lot, and keeping people overseas...and how they're going to pay for all this...than they are in teaching the truth, that if we focus on God first, He will provide.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
This man is a shameless lair and a false apostel selling the word of God. A King does not tax His children Matt 17:24-27.
Tithing was from the old laws that were nailed to the cross. Jesus says that who ever thirsts for the water of life, He will give it freely. Dont be fooled by wolves (false apostels) in sheeps clothing (pretending to act godly).
SwordofManticorE 2 years ago
2Pet2:1 , just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.
SwordofManticorE 2 years ago
Exactly.
Malachi was written to Old Testament Levites who were under Law. It was not written to us today.
I'm so tired of hearing false Teachers who are either deceiving or are themselves deceived. They pick and choose which parts of the Bible they like and ignore the parts they don't.
The Tithe was for Levites, Priests, the poor, aliens, and widows in Israel. Only Levites could collect the Tithe. There are no Levites today.
But people teach this the Tithe because they love money, not God.
blueskunk12 2 years ago 5
there is no such thing as a new testament tithe. God replaced the tithe with a new nature called a giving heart. These guys are running a ponzi scheme. I cant tell you how many " church people" owe me money. Money that they could not get out of the benevolent fund from a church that they had been " tithing " to for over 10 years. If they had kept their tithe , they would'nt be in my debt.
tbursee 2 years ago
Good title for this video. Why tithe? Isn't that the whole point. Why on earth are you tithing if you are a New Testament believer?
Using Malachi out of context and trying to apply it to new covenant believers is no excuse.
If you don't have faith in God to provide for the needs of your ministry then I would suggest that you get a job. It is a serious thing to fleece the flock. Paul, the great apostle, worked so why can't you?
Are you serving the one true God or the god of mammon?
TheologicalStudies 2 years ago 9
Pepole Please read the Bible for yourself, when reading Malachi, ask yourself these questions; Who's doing the Talking? and who's being spoken to? I don't understand how we come to the conculsion this applies to us today. it does'nt take a Bible Professor to understand this puts a yoke of bondage around the necks of God's people.
tlp36 2 years ago 2
I totally agree with you. I think some people misuse the scriptures regarding tithing because they are trying to secure a guaranteed income for themselves instead of trusting God in faith to sustain them.
Believer's are under grace and not the law and that includes giving. God loves a cheerful giver and we are not to give under compulsion but willingly.
Christ sets you free while men try to put you into some kind of bondage.
TheologicalStudies 2 years ago 2
@TheologicalStudies
Exactly! We are not under the Old Covenant! God has given us a New Covenant, and it is time for us to act like New Covenant Christians, not Old Covenant Jews!
Yes, the whole Bible is good for instruction, but that does not mean we have to obey every command!
And you're right about Paul, he said he set an example for people to follow - he worked day and night so as not to be a burden to anyone. Yet our Pastors do not follow the example Paul set.
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Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Malachi 3:8 and 9 were for the priest back in the old testement...not todays christains. It was the priest who had robbed God 2500 years ago or so. go to malachi 2: 1-5...stop listening to this liar.
aubhar 3 years ago
Amen. I wish that many Christians be free from this bondage like I was three years ago. I totally blame myself because I went along with the teaching instead of studying the scriptures. These pastors will definitely have to answer to God for this false teaching that has been keeping christians in bondage. Glad I found out the truth.
DERBENJ 3 years ago
Well your ok now. Stop tithing. Help the poor, fatherless, elderly when you have the chance. if some bum ask you for spare change...just take him to the resturant if hes hungry. I do this when I have a chance when i run into someone thats in need.
aubhar 3 years ago 2
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Jacob never paid tithes but he made a vow to God Gen. 28:20-22
does not ask for money but fruit and vegtables and meat. Deut. 12:6-7).
levites were the only ones were worthy to take T AND Offerings and the tithes were for the poor...not church building and getting more members to take money from them.Leviticus 27:30-33
GIVE WHAT YOU HAVE, NOT WHAT YOU DONT HAVE.(II Cor. 8:10-12, The Living Bible).
II Chronicles 31:5, 6, 12
So study the scriptures before you judge me.The old law is gone.
aubhar 3 years ago
i second that emotion
vnello07 3 years ago
The 501c3 satanic system in opperation. Its not about your soul, or holliness or repentance of sin, but money. We are to give freely from the heart, not pay tithes under the Mosaic and Levitical Law. Please brothers and sisters, get out of the Babylonian whore church. The most High (YHWH) is calling us back to him.
Shalom
Shalom
Smitrec 3 years ago
I want to meet you man. I have my eyes open when I was studying about tithes and offering... its an old levitical law.
aubhar 3 years ago
Why O Why Lord did you put Malachi 3 in your word?
llonden2kx 3 years ago
Tithing is the financial manifestation of faith! If we believe and trust God with our lives then we should be able to trust God with money and believe that He will provide for us. Please read Matthew 23:23, when Jesus says without neglecting the former he is reminding us that though there are many other standards we need to up hold tithing too remains important. May God continue to bless you as you wrestle in your walk.
ebcny 3 years ago
Concerning Matthew 23:23, During that time, they were still under the law. Jesus had not yet gone to the cross; Jesus was rebuking them for following the law but neglecting mercy and faith. Besides he was talking about tithing mint, anise, cummin. He was'nt referring to money. Nowhere in scripture confirms we must tithe so God can provide for us. He'll provide for us whether or not we tithe. So if you want to tithe like what Jesus is talking about then you should tithe mint, cummin...Not money..
DERBENJ 3 years ago
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brikkhedd7 3 years ago
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The "Former" = "The Commandments" not the law. Yehua sent Yehushua so we can rise above the law. There are too many documents in scripture and out that outperform the law. Allow The Savior to release your mind my dear friend- Shalom.
brikkhedd7 3 years ago
@ebcny Mat 23 23 is because the old covenant wasnt abolished yet, but while were at Matt, let us read Matthew 17:24-27. This man on the video is a thief.
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@ebcny Matthew 23:23 Jesus is clearly telling these Pharisees that justice, mercy and faithfulness are MORE IMPORTANT than tithing. Jesus acknowledged the LAW because he was yet to go toCalvary, freeing us from "sacrifices"(including tithing)making it possible to GIVE FREELY. Also,read 2Cor. 8:12-13.And, read ALL of Malachi not just the verses that have been twisted, misinterpreted & taken out of context!! I no longer "wrestle" with MY walk for I have been set free from the LAW of sacrifices!
MomCheeto4 1 year ago
@MomCheeto4
Exactly. Either the law is fulfilled in Christ as Paul claims, or we are still under the whole law, all 613 commands.
But it was not Jesus' birth that brought in the New Covenant. It was Jesus' death. And until then, Jesus confirmed the Old Covenant because it was still in effect. Many, many people are unaware of this simple fact.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
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Thebibleconsultant 1 year ago
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@ebcny Tithing have nothing to do with money! It's clear that seminary has confused church leadership into teaching people a false doctrine of tithing money. Read Leviticus 27:30-31 for what the tithe is and how it can be bought back. Here is clarity on Matthew 23:23. This verse is confirming the validity of tithing but it's also helping us understand that the tithe consists of the fruit of the tree and the seed of the land.Look closely at what's being tithed without taking this out of context.
Thebibleconsultant 1 year ago
@ebcny Tithing have nothing to do with money! It's clear that seminary has clearly confused church leadership into teaching people a false doctrine of tithing money. Read Leviticus 27:30-31 for what the tithe is and how it can be bought back. Yes, that's correct bought back. Matthew 23:23 is verifying the validity of tithing but it's also ensure that the tithe is the fruit of the tree and the seed of the land. Look carefully @ what is being tithed without taking this verse out of context.
Thebibleconsultant 1 year ago
The preacher in the video, with deceptive words, is lying to this congregation. He is on my list.
digitalflava 3 years ago
How can tithing teach you how to budget God's blessing? After you tithe you would'nt have any money to budget because you'll be BROKE. What preachers will do to get members money! and whats so sad is the ignorant christians who follow them instead of studying the scriptures...SO SAD!!
DERBENJ 3 years ago
You are 100% Correct. Lying preachers profit on the ignorance of people who do not study.. So true. After a good study session, the one who did the studying is then empowered to fight Satan more. The more we study, the more powerful we become and when falsehoods arise, because we've studied God's ways, we can not be deceived.
digitalflava 3 years ago
AMEN to that!!
DERBENJ 3 years ago
Give your tithes because you want to. Malachi 3:8 is referring to the law we are not under the law therefore we are not commanded to pay tithes and we will not be cursed When you give your tithes doso under grace freely and cheerfully. No where in the new testamnet does it say to tithe. You as new covenanent believers are not under the curse of the law and its oppression if so we would only goto church on saturday and still sacrifice animals.
stopplayingchurch 3 years ago
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You need to pay your tithes. Don't believe me? Hebrews 7 says that not only did Abraham pay tithes, but also the tribe of Levi wilst they were still in his loins payed tithes to the Most High Priest. Abraham gave a tenth to the (High Priest Melchisedec) who was God for he had no beginning, mother, or father. Jesus(the Most High Priest) was after the order of Melchisedec and is the son of God for he was in the beginning with God. Therefore, the tribe of Levi payed tithes to Jesus Christ.
stopplayingchurch 3 years ago