@GoGoVengo Absolutely NOT!! This stuff, although fun to do, has little if anything in common with real-world, self defense shooting with live ammo. Certain aspects, like having a proper grip and keeping one's finger off the trigger are universal of course, but none of the methods shown should be used with live ammo.
I would like to ask if you noticed the parallels between what you are doing physically and what the mechanics of the gun are and how they correlate. That is, you are cocking your arm back - just like the hammer; then you are centering your balance - just like the pistol; then you are projecting a forward force - just like the bullet. The similarities of the shooter's and the gun's motions is really amazing.
In your other video entitled "fun with a single action colt" you state that the hammer should never be cocked while in the holster, unless its unloaded. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of your technique in this video? You slide your thumb over the back of the revolver and it appears cocked while in the holster. Am I missing something??
First off, you are a wonderful teacher and I (like the rest that have watched this series) very much appreciate you taking the time to pass on your knowledge.
I am getting ready to buy a Uberti (college student on a budget and from what I know they are a fairly well made colt clone),
My question is what I would need to do to that gun to make it fast draw ready. I'm also curious to know how to do the fan and shoot technique with the off hand.Thanks for everything.
@farmerallis You won't be disappointed. Don't buy one from 'Second Amendment' gun shop here in Tucson. He's a Colt dealer and has a salesman telling prospective buyers how bad the New Vaquero's are! I have had Rugers for 37 years and never had a serious failure of any kind while my second generation Colts would break often. The only problem I have encountered was the use of the wrong lubrication. Had my Vaquero since last November and am totally pleased.
This guy is the man!!! I'm not even in CAS yet, but this guy has an awesome teaching style..you just want to shake his hand and blow off some LC with him:)
Thank you very much Mr. Gordan, i just bought my first single action revolver for the purpose of learning fast draw. Your instructing is fantastic in these videos and i look forward to practicing all the techniques you've shown. Thanks again
I just found your videos (you have a great instructional style) while I was looking at fast draws. Of course I came across Bob Munden, and he uses (or at least it looks like he's using) his non dominant to aid in the cocking. Is this just a different technique then the one you are demonstrating?
@TJgrebdnul - Yes, this series is about one-handed thumbing. Munden uses fanning for his fastest draws, but can thumb with the best of 'em, of course. The other methods are slap-cocking and two handed slip-thumbing.
@ChrisGordan Interesting! Thank you for your reply. I just recently have entered the realm and terminology of the fast draw and am not familiar with the different kinds. You wouldn't happen to be planning on some more instructional videos showing the different methods would you?
hi and thanks for wery god tips on fastdraw. im 54 yo gunowner from finland and i have traning fastdraw allmoust a year now and thanks to your tips i got my time down from0.42sek to 0.28-31sek. and im wery happy with that time. beaghouse its make me one of the 10 fastest gun in finland. so big thanks to you
Excellent!! You're now EASILY beating my fastest thumbing shots at the 8' balloon :-))
It's remarkable that you've shaved a whole 1/10th or more.
As I mentioned in the video, with clean and efficient technique, there's absolutely no reason that folks can't go as fast or faster than I. I have no ego about any of this stuff. I just like to pass on what I've learned, and it feels great to hear that I was able to help you take it to the next level.
@ChrisGordan Besting times is all good and well, but I'm going to use your techniques for the real deal. It's only a matter of time before someone steps into my garage or mosies around back to steal the bait I set out. I've going to pop out and tell them that the way I figure they have 2-3 choices: Go for a gun, dodge to the left, turn and run, etc.... THEN when they make a move - no matter what that move be - QUICK DRAW and BANG!
this was some good information..i used to do quick draw, back then i let my gun hang low, almost at arms length down.what do you think about this gunslinger style.also i would allow someone to hold a cocked revolver on me, i would tell them to pull the trigger if they thought i was going to draw..i could draw and fire before they could react..have you ever done this trick .thanks, you have my respect.keep helping us.. gary hinson
Chris, I was wondering what you thought of the videos of Bob Munden here on You Tube? He's fast, but wow, he looks like he's ready to shoot his toe off.
Thanks for the input. So there's no 'trick' per se, just a lot of practice. As I clumsily somersault my Beretta Stampede around my finger two or three times before my finger strength gives out, I can only wonder how you other folks can sustain the action for so long? Definitely a specificity of training and conditioning. Like anything else really.Imagine playing the violin. No finger frets!(?)
Great videos Chris. Most generous and instructive, now I see the technology and techniques that evolved with the designs. But how do they learn that gun spinning stuff.\? My finger isn't strong enough to support the pistol's weight. It must involve staying somewhere around that balance point you spoke of.
>>It must involve staying somewhere around that balance point you spoke of.<<
Exactly. This is why a guy with twice my strength asked how I could go twice as fast. Technique must come first. Only then, will raw strength provide an advantage. Given an equal technical execution, those with more upper body strength should indeed go significantly faster in most cases.
It's made by Alphonso's of Hollywood, and yes, they make the finest rigs I've ever seen. Their website kinda stinks...showing only a small portion of what they make, but don't let that deter you if you want something really special, custom made for you.
They are not cheap, but they are worth every penny.
Great videos. It would be nice to have some followups about gear. What kinds of pistols work for this and what kind don't, for example. Could I do this with a Ruger Blackhawk with a 6 1/2" barrel? What are the basic requirements for the leather? How much drop should the holster have? And all of us can't afford those fancy $1500 custom rigs. Also, I would start each video with "check to see if it's loaded." But these are great. I'm ready to start practicing!!!
'lo there! Would the 2 draw methods you used work with a kirk partick handle bar doc rig? It's kinda like a Mexican loop holster in softness and texture, but angles like a fast draw rig.
these vids have helped alot. i dont own a nice revolver, but i own double/single action .40S&W Astra A-100 semi-auto. these vids have helped me draw that faster and helped me improve my grip on the gun. thank you alot
I do have a question though: What do you think of the Bisley handle? It was supposed to be an improvement to the classic handle with alterations made to the hammer and trigger. I understand comfort level and practicality are all relative to the shooter, but what are your impressions on the Bisley configuration? Was it an improvement or a failure?
Some find the Bisley grip to be better for precision shooting- it's certainly more comfortable with hard kickers (.44mag and above). For quick point shooting and fast hammer manipulation, the original "plowhandle" works better.
Given that the Bisley was designed for target shooting, I'd call it a definite success.
Those were really great videos, in fact I haven't found any better demonstrations so far. I will be sure to practice those techniques as soon as I get my hands on the Super Blackhawk I'm going to purchase soon.
I guess this fastdraw technique could also be used as starting point for drawing and shooting when using the sights? As I understand it you would simply lift the gun by pushing it forward pointing upwards and align the sights. Correct?
I'm thinking about buying a Uberti Cattleman, but I'm having trouble deciding between the classic handle and the bird's head handle. Have you used the bird's head style much? Do you think one is clearly superior when practicing fast draw & gun spinning/tricks? I imagine I'll spend a lot more time practicing that, than actually shooting. Thanks for your input!
@JCW80 I've handled the birdshead a couple of times, but don't have any other experience. Spinning would be about balance, but fastdraw would seem to favor the traditional "plowhandle" grip.
How 'bout this: if I were trying to conceal a .45 SA, and using real world techniques, I'd seriously consider the birdshead in a crossdraw holster.
very good dissection of the mechanics! very fine job off using verbal skills in descriptions and analogies to illustrate concepts behind actions, principles behind those actions - for the purpose of making your point by point case for correct technique..
5 stars, brilliant work my friend..
communication skills were well polished, and knowledge of the subject material very impressive and absolutely beyond reproach! DFB
I have been shooting for over forty years, and I never understood how the single action fast draw was accomplished. This is by far the clearest explanation and demonstration I have ever seen.
very nice vid... very informative... :) thank you... :) sir what about on a magazine-feed handguns, example 45 cal pistol. how can we do a fast draw on that type of handgun...?
There's a great difference between Hollywood style"fast draw" (and the SPORTS that have grown from it), and real world live ammo techniques. NONE of those techniques are covered in the videos.
With live ammo, and the kind of safe, secure leather used for real-world carrying (not competitions or show), any HIT accomplished in around a second is good, 3/4 sec is excellent, and anyone who can CONSISTANTLY hit anywhere near the 1/2 sec mark is smokin' !
Gotta say I loved the vids. Short simple and informative. There is one question I have for you (and sorry if someone already asked this) I've noticed there are two styles of handles for single action revolvers. One being the style you demo-ed and the other, I believe its called a "birdshead grip." Is there a particular reason to why one model is chosen over the other? Or is it a matter of personal preferance and feel?
With the fastest "pinch and roll" technique, I'd like to be at or under 10 feet.
At that distance, Howard Darby can hit an apple with a wax bullet, faster than the fastest draw that I demonstrated.
I'm simply not that good at hipshooting past 15' or so. Others can do better, but when the target gets to 20', I'm slowing WAY down from what you saw here, and probably using the sights if I need to hit precisely. All of that can add up to a half of a second or more for me.
Chris do you know where I could get an extra strong replica single action? I have a denix replica that I can do the curley Bill spin with but it is starting to fall apart from all the spinning. Thanks for the videos you explain everything in great detail. I live in Ireland.
Take a look at the crossdraw in my video, "Fun with the Single Action Colt" . I've found this the most comfortable way to carry (especially with a backpack), and since we're talking live ammo now, "fast draw" techniques are out.
When you watch the vid, notice how you don't draw the gun forward, you pull across your body, grasp with the left hand, and use the left thumb to cock, AFTER the gun is pointed toward the target. It's safe, accurate, practical, and can be done plenty fast enough.
Christopher, great video and instruction. Great technique. Any chance you can produce a video on how to fast draw from a RH crossdraw? I carry a Super Blackhawk 44mag in 4 5/8" barrel. Need to learn how best to draw it and get the business end on target fast. Thanks!
if u watch tombstone and see how johnny ringo puts his gun back in the holster after his tricks at the bar could you make a vid on how to do that in real life cos we all know he couldent realy do that
You are a very good teacher! You make the quickdraw seem so easy with the best techniques that one can apply. Thank you for your very instructive videos about this fine art! I've learned and obtained a lot from this! =) 5 stars!
ok, once again wery useful videos, ty wery mutch, i have a question about the hollywood actors, if u have seen the movie "the quick and the dead" isnt
John Herod and kid pretty fast on the draw, or is it just made look like that? =)
It's my understanding that when filming for movies, "fast draws" are most often deliberately done well below the potential speed of anyone doing it. They want to be able to edit back and forth, to see both people draw, both fire, and somebody fall.
Editing is generally the key. Having more clear frames in the can is generally best...they can always speed it up later.
The original video (not the YouTube conversion) shows about 5 frames from first move to hammer fall of the last draw.
That translates to roughly 16/100ths for the draw itself. Not bad, but should be down around 12-13/100ths. That would at least give you a chance at getting a 1/4 sec draw if your reaction time is good.
The draw you saw though, with a reaction to a starting signal, would be around a third of a sec.
Actually, I'm not particularly fast with EITHER hand...I've just got reasonably clean technique. I have been working with my left hand and a 2 gun rig recently when time permits.
As to hitting, most of my actual shooting is DA wheelguns and live ammo, and I enjoy shooting charcoal tossed in the air. (and down to bottlecaps occasionally) Does that answer your question?
Bob Munden is a full time professional- if we stuck to thumbing, I'd turn in a respectable performance, but still lose! LOL
This was, without doubt, the best presented and most educational thing I have seen in a very long time. It actually makes me sad that I can only give five stars, this deserves seven.
Great videos. Thanks very much for your effort. I'm starting with a 5.5" Blackhawk until I get a Vaquero, but there's nothing wrong with a little strength training.
Chris! Loved the video! I know pretty much nothing, though, about guns and stuff and was wondering what type of holster you would recommend for this type of sport?
There are quite a few types, depending on the facet of the sport you're most interested in. If you want to shoot in matches, there are different classifications and restrictions. Otherwise, choose what you like the best!
Alfonso's of Hollywood, or Mernickle Holsters will make anything that you'ld ever want for SASS, WFDA, or CFDA competitions...or just for fun. PM me if you need more specific info.
Chris, I have the 5.5 inch 45 Vaquero in polished stainless with faux ivory grips and I LOVE the balance and heft of the gun. I also have a Colt Frontier Scout 22lr that is my pride and joy as far as a spinner goes. Your tutorial is excellent and I encourage you to continue, as you seem to enjoy teaching your art to others. I have to watch your videos in a mirror though, because of being a South Paw. Kudos!
I've had a lot of requests for that, because of my first video, "Fun with the Single Action Colt".
Truthfully, I have a few tricks that I do well, but I do not consider myself a gun spinner. Search for "Joey Dillon" if you'd like to see a real pro who's on YouTube.
Most of my "real" shooting is double action Smiths, skeet and sporting clays (shotgun).
I will be practicing some spinning though, as I ordered myself a double gun rig (HW-9)from Mernickle Holsters...just for fun! :-))
GREAT question! Wish I had the space to answer it fully. In a nutshell, you get good at hip shooting, then draw and fire slowly, and work it up. The real trick is finding your natural aiming point. Once you do, it doesn't matter if you miss by six feet initially. Move your feet/body to dial it in on the target...NEVER move the gun hand independant of the body once you're in your hipshooting position. You must always be in YOUR most natural position for it to be consistant. Hope that helps :-)
The classic book, "Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting", by Ed McGivern covers the subjects quite thoroughly. My description above is simply the most "distilled" version of basic hipshooting concepts that I could come up with. LOL. Seriously, though- anyone with any interest in the subject should have that book in their shooting library.
Not really. With the 4 3/4" barrel, Colts and clones weigh about 2 1/4 lbs. The Ruger is a few ounces heavier (different design). A lot of the clones have parts that are interchangeable with the Colts. Apart from grips and bbl length, they're all about the same.
Interesting though...they always seem "unexpectedly heavy" to folks who've never handled one before.
Ah, I see. I've got a 5 1/2" Uberti replica. I could say it's "unexpectedly heavy", but it's more like the hammer spring is tight. Oh well, more practice.
Send it to Bob James in Arizona...he did the action on my Uberti, and it's smooth, light, and reliable (no spring breakages, as is common with that design). "jamesguns" dot com.
He does some of the nicest thumbing actions I've seen. Full action job is about $150. You won't believe the difference.
Sounds like a plan! I was looking at Bob Munden's site, but he charges a lot more for stuff that i might not ever need. I doubt I'll ever be able to fan as fast as him, but never say never, eh?
No, NEITHER of us will ever approach what Bob has done and continues to do. As a full time professional with MANY world records, he's an American treasure both as a shooter and as an entertainer. In his own unique way, Bob will go down in history along with many of the great exhibition shooters of the past.
The rest of us need never be embarassed however- I'd bet that Bob would agree that those who simply love the sport for its own sake, need not compete with anyone but ourselves.
Well done! Thanks for these videos! I just got a single action revolver because I want to start fast draw as a hobby and am looking forward to using these videos to get started right. I also really like your gun spinning from the first video and want to learn some of those techniques as well!
Sure ya can...as long as it's big and close! LOL. Seriously though, that technique is used with black powder blanks for balloon shooting, as well as close-in shooting with wax bullets.
Chris, Thanks so much for posting these video's, I studied your first video countless times, then you came out with these, they have been incredibly helpful! I cant wait to start practicing. You have a great narrative voice, and if you should consider doing more videos if you ever have the time.
uh if your talking about a non firing replica, blank gun, or plug fire cap gun then on websites that ship to the uk if your talking about a real gun then forget about it handguns are ilegal
Watched entire series,, Enjoyed them emensely, Iv been considering learning fast draw, an your vids have made me decide to start looking for a single action an rigging,, great series,, thanks
thanks for the great tips, i found them to be very imformitive
MrCampinggear 1 month ago
Could these skills be applied to a semi auto for self defense home D etc.?
GoGoVengo 2 months ago
@GoGoVengo Absolutely NOT!! This stuff, although fun to do, has little if anything in common with real-world, self defense shooting with live ammo. Certain aspects, like having a proper grip and keeping one's finger off the trigger are universal of course, but none of the methods shown should be used with live ammo.
ChrisGordan 1 month ago
great video. simple steps yet very helpful. trying to get the hang of my single six.
gunlinn 2 months ago
Brilliant video sir. Well done.
I would like to ask if you noticed the parallels between what you are doing physically and what the mechanics of the gun are and how they correlate. That is, you are cocking your arm back - just like the hammer; then you are centering your balance - just like the pistol; then you are projecting a forward force - just like the bullet. The similarities of the shooter's and the gun's motions is really amazing.
Could you please give your thoughts on this?
xkopp375 3 months ago
In your other video entitled "fun with a single action colt" you state that the hammer should never be cocked while in the holster, unless its unloaded. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of your technique in this video? You slide your thumb over the back of the revolver and it appears cocked while in the holster. Am I missing something??
Vissago22 4 months ago
First off, you are a wonderful teacher and I (like the rest that have watched this series) very much appreciate you taking the time to pass on your knowledge.
I am getting ready to buy a Uberti (college student on a budget and from what I know they are a fairly well made colt clone),
My question is what I would need to do to that gun to make it fast draw ready. I'm also curious to know how to do the fan and shoot technique with the off hand.Thanks for everything.
NickPech 4 months ago
Good videos man, thanks for posting them. Now I just need to get my hand on a New Vaquero.
farmerallis 7 months ago
@farmerallis You won't be disappointed. Don't buy one from 'Second Amendment' gun shop here in Tucson. He's a Colt dealer and has a salesman telling prospective buyers how bad the New Vaquero's are! I have had Rugers for 37 years and never had a serious failure of any kind while my second generation Colts would break often. The only problem I have encountered was the use of the wrong lubrication. Had my Vaquero since last November and am totally pleased.
joshweiss01 4 months ago
This guy is the man!!! I'm not even in CAS yet, but this guy has an awesome teaching style..you just want to shake his hand and blow off some LC with him:)
ChromeArty 8 months ago
I dont know when this may help my life. But, if i ever need to quickdraw. THANKS FOR THE HELP.
Ommug 8 months ago
siin oli hyvä opetus video minäkin ymmärsin vaikka englanti ei ole minun paras kieli aihe t.suomi juntti
marsukaivelee 10 months ago
Thank you very much Mr. Gordan, i just bought my first single action revolver for the purpose of learning fast draw. Your instructing is fantastic in these videos and i look forward to practicing all the techniques you've shown. Thanks again
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SurvivorSman 10 months ago
I just found your videos (you have a great instructional style) while I was looking at fast draws. Of course I came across Bob Munden, and he uses (or at least it looks like he's using) his non dominant to aid in the cocking. Is this just a different technique then the one you are demonstrating?
TJgrebdnul 11 months ago
@TJgrebdnul - Yes, this series is about one-handed thumbing. Munden uses fanning for his fastest draws, but can thumb with the best of 'em, of course. The other methods are slap-cocking and two handed slip-thumbing.
ChrisGordan 11 months ago
@ChrisGordan Interesting! Thank you for your reply. I just recently have entered the realm and terminology of the fast draw and am not familiar with the different kinds. You wouldn't happen to be planning on some more instructional videos showing the different methods would you?
TJgrebdnul 10 months ago
hi and thanks for wery god tips on fastdraw. im 54 yo gunowner from finland and i have traning fastdraw allmoust a year now and thanks to your tips i got my time down from0.42sek to 0.28-31sek. and im wery happy with that time. beaghouse its make me one of the 10 fastest gun in finland. so big thanks to you
marsukaivelee 11 months ago
@marsukaivelee
Excellent!! You're now EASILY beating my fastest thumbing shots at the 8' balloon :-))
It's remarkable that you've shaved a whole 1/10th or more.
As I mentioned in the video, with clean and efficient technique, there's absolutely no reason that folks can't go as fast or faster than I. I have no ego about any of this stuff. I just like to pass on what I've learned, and it feels great to hear that I was able to help you take it to the next level.
ChrisGordan 11 months ago
@ChrisGordan Besting times is all good and well, but I'm going to use your techniques for the real deal. It's only a matter of time before someone steps into my garage or mosies around back to steal the bait I set out. I've going to pop out and tell them that the way I figure they have 2-3 choices: Go for a gun, dodge to the left, turn and run, etc.... THEN when they make a move - no matter what that move be - QUICK DRAW and BANG!
Rooster1Cogburn 8 months ago
this was some good information..i used to do quick draw, back then i let my gun hang low, almost at arms length down.what do you think about this gunslinger style.also i would allow someone to hold a cocked revolver on me, i would tell them to pull the trigger if they thought i was going to draw..i could draw and fire before they could react..have you ever done this trick .thanks, you have my respect.keep helping us.. gary hinson
ohgaryo 1 year ago
@ohgaryo - Yup, action beats reaction every time.
ChrisGordan 1 year ago
Great tutorial, thanks man,
DonsonDK 1 year ago
Chris, I was wondering what you thought of the videos of Bob Munden here on You Tube? He's fast, but wow, he looks like he's ready to shoot his toe off.
tymbershade 1 year ago
Thanks for the input. So there's no 'trick' per se, just a lot of practice. As I clumsily somersault my Beretta Stampede around my finger two or three times before my finger strength gives out, I can only wonder how you other folks can sustain the action for so long? Definitely a specificity of training and conditioning. Like anything else really.Imagine playing the violin. No finger frets!(?)
steelgila 1 year ago
Great videos Chris. Most generous and instructive, now I see the technology and techniques that evolved with the designs. But how do they learn that gun spinning stuff.\? My finger isn't strong enough to support the pistol's weight. It must involve staying somewhere around that balance point you spoke of.
steelgila 1 year ago
@steelgila
>>It must involve staying somewhere around that balance point you spoke of.<<
Exactly. This is why a guy with twice my strength asked how I could go twice as fast. Technique must come first. Only then, will raw strength provide an advantage. Given an equal technical execution, those with more upper body strength should indeed go significantly faster in most cases.
ChrisGordan 1 year ago
Thanks a lot! I am just starting interesting in this theme, so Your video were very nice for me.
With regards from Latvia.
gigasusanin 1 year ago
Just wanted to post a thank you for these videos Chris.
BlandWhipLash 1 year ago
Man, that is one nice rig you got there. Mind if I ask who made it?
Majorupheaval 1 year ago
@Majorupheaval -
It's made by Alphonso's of Hollywood, and yes, they make the finest rigs I've ever seen. Their website kinda stinks...showing only a small portion of what they make, but don't let that deter you if you want something really special, custom made for you.
They are not cheap, but they are worth every penny.
ChrisGordan 1 year ago
@ChrisGordan
Great videos. It would be nice to have some followups about gear. What kinds of pistols work for this and what kind don't, for example. Could I do this with a Ruger Blackhawk with a 6 1/2" barrel? What are the basic requirements for the leather? How much drop should the holster have? And all of us can't afford those fancy $1500 custom rigs. Also, I would start each video with "check to see if it's loaded." But these are great. I'm ready to start practicing!!!
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Osmigo1 1 year ago
I watched this with my 84 year old grandfather! This is what makes YouTube Rock...
darwingodwin 1 year ago
'lo there! Would the 2 draw methods you used work with a kirk partick handle bar doc rig? It's kinda like a Mexican loop holster in softness and texture, but angles like a fast draw rig.
stevsticks 1 year ago
Damn, that was a wicked fast spin at 1:07. Forget the draw, I practicing that!
hackman1911 1 year ago
SAW ALL YOUR VIDS THEY ARE GREAT WE WANT TO SEE MORE PLEASE ... HOW ABOUT SOME TECHNICES
XXSUPER17XX 1 year ago
Well Done!
spsmonktoo 1 year ago
these vids have helped alot. i dont own a nice revolver, but i own double/single action .40S&W Astra A-100 semi-auto. these vids have helped me draw that faster and helped me improve my grip on the gun. thank you alot
spmmatt 1 year ago
Great series of Video Clips!
You were very informative and detailed.
I do have a question though: What do you think of the Bisley handle? It was supposed to be an improvement to the classic handle with alterations made to the hammer and trigger. I understand comfort level and practicality are all relative to the shooter, but what are your impressions on the Bisley configuration? Was it an improvement or a failure?
Thanks in advance and keep up the vids!!!
bigdogralph 1 year ago
Some find the Bisley grip to be better for precision shooting- it's certainly more comfortable with hard kickers (.44mag and above). For quick point shooting and fast hammer manipulation, the original "plowhandle" works better.
Given that the Bisley was designed for target shooting, I'd call it a definite success.
ChrisGordan 1 year ago
Would you be willing to make more such videos, for example demonstrating some basic spinning techniques?
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
Those were really great videos, in fact I haven't found any better demonstrations so far. I will be sure to practice those techniques as soon as I get my hands on the Super Blackhawk I'm going to purchase soon.
I guess this fastdraw technique could also be used as starting point for drawing and shooting when using the sights? As I understand it you would simply lift the gun by pushing it forward pointing upwards and align the sights. Correct?
SkallagrimNilsson 1 year ago
Chris,
Wonderful instruction!!!
I'm thinking about buying a Uberti Cattleman, but I'm having trouble deciding between the classic handle and the bird's head handle. Have you used the bird's head style much? Do you think one is clearly superior when practicing fast draw & gun spinning/tricks? I imagine I'll spend a lot more time practicing that, than actually shooting. Thanks for your input!
JCW80 1 year ago
@JCW80 I've handled the birdshead a couple of times, but don't have any other experience. Spinning would be about balance, but fastdraw would seem to favor the traditional "plowhandle" grip.
How 'bout this: if I were trying to conceal a .45 SA, and using real world techniques, I'd seriously consider the birdshead in a crossdraw holster.
ChrisGordan 1 year ago
Great info. Superb instruction and the spinning move to holster your gun was unique and quite a nice touch. BTW nice basses!
djosephj 1 year ago
Chris Gordan. I would like to meet you someday.
Your videos are excellent. Thank you
Charades116 2 years ago
very good dissection of the mechanics! very fine job off using verbal skills in descriptions and analogies to illustrate concepts behind actions, principles behind those actions - for the purpose of making your point by point case for correct technique..
5 stars, brilliant work my friend..
communication skills were well polished, and knowledge of the subject material very impressive and absolutely beyond reproach! DFB
thank you for sharing insights and tips DFB
daytonafreakboy 2 years ago
I have been shooting for over forty years, and I never understood how the single action fast draw was accomplished. This is by far the clearest explanation and demonstration I have ever seen.
Very well done!
abukamoon 2 years ago
very nice vid... very informative... :) thank you... :) sir what about on a magazine-feed handguns, example 45 cal pistol. how can we do a fast draw on that type of handgun...?
dacountbong 2 years ago
Sure, but "fast" is a relative term.
There's a great difference between Hollywood style"fast draw" (and the SPORTS that have grown from it), and real world live ammo techniques. NONE of those techniques are covered in the videos.
With live ammo, and the kind of safe, secure leather used for real-world carrying (not competitions or show), any HIT accomplished in around a second is good, 3/4 sec is excellent, and anyone who can CONSISTANTLY hit anywhere near the 1/2 sec mark is smokin' !
ChrisGordan 2 years ago
@ChrisGordan how much accuracy do u think is achievable with pointshooting like this? And how fast is the second shot/hit?
Axbent 1 year ago
Chris,
Gotta say I loved the vids. Short simple and informative. There is one question I have for you (and sorry if someone already asked this) I've noticed there are two styles of handles for single action revolvers. One being the style you demo-ed and the other, I believe its called a "birdshead grip." Is there a particular reason to why one model is chosen over the other? Or is it a matter of personal preferance and feel?
kurnous34 2 years ago
how far can you shoot acuerate, with these techniques?
juanmanuelcoria79 2 years ago
With the fastest "pinch and roll" technique, I'd like to be at or under 10 feet.
At that distance, Howard Darby can hit an apple with a wax bullet, faster than the fastest draw that I demonstrated.
I'm simply not that good at hipshooting past 15' or so. Others can do better, but when the target gets to 20', I'm slowing WAY down from what you saw here, and probably using the sights if I need to hit precisely. All of that can add up to a half of a second or more for me.
ChrisGordan 2 years ago
beautiful technique
and... you are a natural born teacher also.
well done sir.. thank you for posting
daytonafreakboy 2 years ago
Simply awesome. I can't imagine myself being that fast - but I think I'm going to try.
Thanks for the vid!
Dystopiologist 2 years ago
Thanks for the great instruction. I learned a few things even though I've been "fast drawing" for years, though probably not that fast.
BaronRogoff1 2 years ago
You should come to a WFFA contest and see what you can do.
Dave Livingston, 2006 Mens B World Champion.
DaveL111 2 years ago
I wish that I could, Dave. I simply do not have the resources to do so.
ChrisGordan 2 years ago
MAAN!.. your/he's las twirl at the end is amazing,and of course awsome, show us how u did it slowly.
nolanhistory77 2 years ago
Haha...it's actually a kind of "fake", since it is only a half-roll with sort of a "baton twirl" at the end.
It's one of those things that's almost stupidly easy to do, but hard to explain in the space here. See my PM
ChrisGordan 2 years ago
Chris do you know where I could get an extra strong replica single action? I have a denix replica that I can do the curley Bill spin with but it is starting to fall apart from all the spinning. Thanks for the videos you explain everything in great detail. I live in Ireland.
cattlewrangler 2 years ago
Sorry, I've not seen enough replicas to be able to recommend one.
ChrisGordan 2 years ago
Take a look at the crossdraw in my video, "Fun with the Single Action Colt" . I've found this the most comfortable way to carry (especially with a backpack), and since we're talking live ammo now, "fast draw" techniques are out.
When you watch the vid, notice how you don't draw the gun forward, you pull across your body, grasp with the left hand, and use the left thumb to cock, AFTER the gun is pointed toward the target. It's safe, accurate, practical, and can be done plenty fast enough.
ChrisGordan 2 years ago
Awesome, just the ticket for us cross draw hunters, thanks!
activ8now 2 years ago
Christopher, great video and instruction. Great technique. Any chance you can produce a video on how to fast draw from a RH crossdraw? I carry a Super Blackhawk 44mag in 4 5/8" barrel. Need to learn how best to draw it and get the business end on target fast. Thanks!
TheCaptainDenny 2 years ago
great stuff. waiting on some more videos. thanks for all of the info.
blueridgemoutainboy 2 years ago
gun spin, gun spin, gun spin
NonDairyYogurt 2 years ago
if u watch tombstone and see how johnny ringo puts his gun back in the holster after his tricks at the bar could you make a vid on how to do that in real life cos we all know he couldent realy do that
pwn3dn00b97 2 years ago
are you referring to where he starts spinning his revolver to show off and back spins it back into the holster?
ThePurcy 2 years ago
yes the part when he threatens to shoot doc holliday
pwn3dn00b97 2 years ago
Then regarding where he holsters it, its very easily possible
its just a back roll into the holster with practise its possible
even chris gordan does it if you watch his fun with the single action colt
ThePurcy 2 years ago
thanks for making these vids!
SlickVega 2 years ago
very cool!
great teaching!
i hope you upload more of these interesting videos!
matl1503 2 years ago
This last technique is what bob munden does, pretty incredible
ThePurcy 2 years ago
great video series! thanks! It would be awesome if you could do a video series on gear/SAA firearms. Brands and maybe what's good/bad.
wishbone1138 2 years ago
This is sooooooooooo cool! Thank you.
How about a some gun spinning videos?
eleftedg 2 years ago
You are a very good teacher! You make the quickdraw seem so easy with the best techniques that one can apply. Thank you for your very instructive videos about this fine art! I've learned and obtained a lot from this! =) 5 stars!
ComicalCowboy1911 2 years ago
ok, once again wery useful videos, ty wery mutch, i have a question about the hollywood actors, if u have seen the movie "the quick and the dead" isnt
John Herod and kid pretty fast on the draw, or is it just made look like that? =)
Plaguetongue2331 2 years ago
It's my understanding that when filming for movies, "fast draws" are most often deliberately done well below the potential speed of anyone doing it. They want to be able to edit back and forth, to see both people draw, both fire, and somebody fall.
Editing is generally the key. Having more clear frames in the can is generally best...they can always speed it up later.
A real fast draw leaves no time for drama. LOL!!
ChrisGordan 2 years ago
damn, how many hundredth of a second? ^^ It's amazing
TerminatorFRA 2 years ago
The original video (not the YouTube conversion) shows about 5 frames from first move to hammer fall of the last draw.
That translates to roughly 16/100ths for the draw itself. Not bad, but should be down around 12-13/100ths. That would at least give you a chance at getting a 1/4 sec draw if your reaction time is good.
The draw you saw though, with a reaction to a starting signal, would be around a third of a sec.
ChrisGordan 2 years ago
Actually, I'm not particularly fast with EITHER hand...I've just got reasonably clean technique. I have been working with my left hand and a 2 gun rig recently when time permits.
As to hitting, most of my actual shooting is DA wheelguns and live ammo, and I enjoy shooting charcoal tossed in the air. (and down to bottlecaps occasionally) Does that answer your question?
Bob Munden is a full time professional- if we stuck to thumbing, I'd turn in a respectable performance, but still lose! LOL
ChrisGordan 2 years ago
hey nice videos, ill start training whith 2 x revolvers, drawing whith both hands at the same time... i have a few questions for you...
are u fast whith ur left hand too?
do you actually hit the targets?
last question, whould you draw vs. Bob munden if u get the chance? =)
Plaguetongue2331 2 years ago
This was, without doubt, the best presented and most educational thing I have seen in a very long time. It actually makes me sad that I can only give five stars, this deserves seven.
istahota 2 years ago
Thanks for your videos, they were very instructive.
Don't you want to do a spining gun video ? That would be cool ^^
KhanSeb 2 years ago
Chris, wifey just loves the grip of my gun but wants me to wear also a hat like yours. Did it came with the shirt?
hornstra1 2 years ago
That's amazing!
CountDOODOO 2 years ago
Great videos. Thanks very much for your effort. I'm starting with a 5.5" Blackhawk until I get a Vaquero, but there's nothing wrong with a little strength training.
ytpaygun 2 years ago
Awesome videos, thanks for making them.
chillout010 3 years ago
Chris! Loved the video! I know pretty much nothing, though, about guns and stuff and was wondering what type of holster you would recommend for this type of sport?
TheAfterPipe 3 years ago
There are quite a few types, depending on the facet of the sport you're most interested in. If you want to shoot in matches, there are different classifications and restrictions. Otherwise, choose what you like the best!
Alfonso's of Hollywood, or Mernickle Holsters will make anything that you'ld ever want for SASS, WFDA, or CFDA competitions...or just for fun. PM me if you need more specific info.
ChrisGordan 3 years ago
Chris, I have the 5.5 inch 45 Vaquero in polished stainless with faux ivory grips and I LOVE the balance and heft of the gun. I also have a Colt Frontier Scout 22lr that is my pride and joy as far as a spinner goes. Your tutorial is excellent and I encourage you to continue, as you seem to enjoy teaching your art to others. I have to watch your videos in a mirror though, because of being a South Paw. Kudos!
ZippoVarga 3 years ago
Thanks for the tips!!! Your a good teacher, ever gonna post any revolver spinning tips?
debauchery73 3 years ago
I've had a lot of requests for that, because of my first video, "Fun with the Single Action Colt".
Truthfully, I have a few tricks that I do well, but I do not consider myself a gun spinner. Search for "Joey Dillon" if you'd like to see a real pro who's on YouTube.
Most of my "real" shooting is double action Smiths, skeet and sporting clays (shotgun).
I will be practicing some spinning though, as I ordered myself a double gun rig (HW-9)from Mernickle Holsters...just for fun! :-))
ChrisGordan 3 years ago
Excellent session!
StantheGunman 3 years ago
Thanks for making the video's. I really enjoyed them. It brought to light many of the problems and miss information I run into.
grandpaslinger 3 years ago
I enjoyed watching your whole series. That's great martial arts you're doing there.
lail118 3 years ago
Nice videos...thank you..
One dumb question that always puzzled me..how do you aim or add accuracy in your fast draw..
vm4you 3 years ago
GREAT question! Wish I had the space to answer it fully. In a nutshell, you get good at hip shooting, then draw and fire slowly, and work it up. The real trick is finding your natural aiming point. Once you do, it doesn't matter if you miss by six feet initially. Move your feet/body to dial it in on the target...NEVER move the gun hand independant of the body once you're in your hipshooting position. You must always be in YOUR most natural position for it to be consistant. Hope that helps :-)
ChrisGordan 3 years ago
same question here i ain't figured that out yet...
Coonhunterbybirth 3 years ago
The classic book, "Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting", by Ed McGivern covers the subjects quite thoroughly. My description above is simply the most "distilled" version of basic hipshooting concepts that I could come up with. LOL. Seriously, though- anyone with any interest in the subject should have that book in their shooting library.
ChrisGordan 3 years ago
Huh... What is the ideal weight for an SAA? I think it must vary among replicas.
mrfamous333 3 years ago
Not really. With the 4 3/4" barrel, Colts and clones weigh about 2 1/4 lbs. The Ruger is a few ounces heavier (different design). A lot of the clones have parts that are interchangeable with the Colts. Apart from grips and bbl length, they're all about the same.
Interesting though...they always seem "unexpectedly heavy" to folks who've never handled one before.
ChrisGordan 3 years ago
Ah, I see. I've got a 5 1/2" Uberti replica. I could say it's "unexpectedly heavy", but it's more like the hammer spring is tight. Oh well, more practice.
mrfamous333 3 years ago
Send it to Bob James in Arizona...he did the action on my Uberti, and it's smooth, light, and reliable (no spring breakages, as is common with that design). "jamesguns" dot com.
He does some of the nicest thumbing actions I've seen. Full action job is about $150. You won't believe the difference.
ChrisGordan 3 years ago
Sounds like a plan! I was looking at Bob Munden's site, but he charges a lot more for stuff that i might not ever need. I doubt I'll ever be able to fan as fast as him, but never say never, eh?
mrfamous333 3 years ago
LOL!
No, NEITHER of us will ever approach what Bob has done and continues to do. As a full time professional with MANY world records, he's an American treasure both as a shooter and as an entertainer. In his own unique way, Bob will go down in history along with many of the great exhibition shooters of the past.
The rest of us need never be embarassed however- I'd bet that Bob would agree that those who simply love the sport for its own sake, need not compete with anyone but ourselves.
ChrisGordan 3 years ago
Well done! Thanks for these videos! I just got a single action revolver because I want to start fast draw as a hobby and am looking forward to using these videos to get started right. I also really like your gun spinning from the first video and want to learn some of those techniques as well!
tjodalv44 3 years ago
What fun. I don't want to shoot anyone but I sure like to move fast. Draw partner!
thomasdean321 3 years ago
Sure ya can...as long as it's big and close! LOL. Seriously though, that technique is used with black powder blanks for balloon shooting, as well as close-in shooting with wax bullets.
ChrisGordan 3 years ago
Chris, Thanks so much for posting these video's, I studied your first video countless times, then you came out with these, they have been incredibly helpful! I cant wait to start practicing. You have a great narrative voice, and if you should consider doing more videos if you ever have the time.
Slidewinder1337 3 years ago
nice videoes- I live in the UK where we can only own black powder revolvers and long barrel revolvers, but as I said all good stuff-
also the hat's pretty cool...
danebrewer10 3 years ago
very informative, even for someone like me who isn't with guns at all
Xponoc 3 years ago
Uhhh... I get some practice based on first 4 and a half parts and im understand that i need much more practice for using your bonus trik. :)
Really thanks, i feel that my speed rise.
PS
I see double-bass on the back ground, are you playing in band?
Cheshir911 3 years ago
I am a professional musician here in Las Vegas and work with many different people. Shooting/fast draw is just one of my hobbies :-)
ChrisGordan 3 years ago
Very helpfull videos!!
Thanks for posting!
MikeE381 3 years ago
where can i get a SAA in england
Zentasu 3 years ago
I'll have to leave that question to others, since I'm in Nevada, U.S.A.
ChrisGordan 3 years ago
uh if your talking about a non firing replica, blank gun, or plug fire cap gun then on websites that ship to the uk if your talking about a real gun then forget about it handguns are ilegal
Grasshopper257 3 years ago
Chris Very informative and things I would have never thought of myself. Thanks for spending the time to make these videos.
TombstoneMorgan 3 years ago
Watched entire series,, Enjoyed them emensely, Iv been considering learning fast draw, an your vids have made me decide to start looking for a single action an rigging,, great series,, thanks
1889sportingman 3 years ago