Shooting leaves seven dead at Illinois university

[Conan568]

One armed student or teacher could have stopped this Bastard before he killed those people.

Gun control doesn't save lives, it never has and never will.

Everywhere conceal and carry laws are in effect, crime rates plummet.

Everywhere that has gun control, crime rates soar.

You Libs. who say otherwise are either misinformed, or lying.

Take your pick.

[FuchsTone66]

Hmmm.... maybe more schools should take Utah's stance. We allow CCW on our campus (law abiding, of age) and guess what? For more than 2 years...no gun violence! What happened to all the rants of "guns on campus will create more violence" "It will be the wild west all over again!" Silly anti defense people. When are you going to learn that when you fight back, you have a better chance of winning. A criminal's best friend is a liberal....

[lexo30]

It's eerie how quickly her expression goes from cheery, when she's introducing herself, to solemn, when she's talking about the shooting...

[lilhalfback]

they talk about a school shooting for like 30 seconds then talk about politics?! no wonder i didnt hear about this shooting

[sweetrevenge12345678]

ONLY SEVEN DEAD...NOBODY DOES IT LIKE CHO...BUT i'LL GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR EXECUTING SEVEN PIGS...RIP STEPHEN

[RedneckMikeSr]

gun free zone is easy victom zone.carry guns saves lives.

[jbnwc]

Amen

[lexo30]

peepul carry guns kant spel or write English, apparently.

[jbnwc]

lexo30 - People that resort to criticizing the person they are debating do so when they have no valid argument. Thanks for pointing out that you have been indoctrinated with an "education" yet are still unable to think using your own logic. We care... no really. Also, thank you for displaying your ignorance by characterizing all members of one particular group according to an eleven word comment on a youtube video written by someone who refers to himself as a redneck. Elitist prick.

[lexo30]

I'm elitist because I think sentences in English need main verbs? Actually I have only the equivalent of a high school education. I do know, however, what an ad hominem argument is, and I wasn't making one. If RedneckMikeSr wants to make a serious point, he should learn to do it in a way that doesn't make him look like a stupid person. In other words, he should be able to present his arguments in a way that makes them look credible. Why didn't you tell him that?

[jbnwc]

He's not starting an argument. He was posting a comment on a youtube video; hardly a forum for solving world problems. You know what they say about winning online arguments. He's smarter than both of us because he's not wasting time reading the argumentative ramblings of two online retards. I responded to you because I believe in defending others rather than attacking them. If you attack others, I'll attack back. Your condescending comment makes you an elitist. Hitler was quite eloquent.

[lexo30]

I too was posting a comment on his comment. You're the one who called two isolated comments "debating". In any case, what was he doing here if not reading argumentative ramblings and contributing ramble of his own? Why dignify his inarticulacy as "smart"?

Being condescending doesn't make a person elitist: you yourself are condescending. And you know as well as I do that as soon as people start dragging Hitler into a discussion like this, forget any prospect of coherent debate.

[lexo30]

jbnwc, I will happily debate gun control with you or anyone else who wants to talk about it on a more intelligible and thought-out level than "carry guns saves lives". I have not criticised RedneckMikeSr as a human being, I just criticised his language, and I have been polite to you. Why you have not extended the same courtesy to me?

[ab1tchslap]

Gun control has been linked to higher crime rates.

[lexo30]

"Gun control has been linked to higher crime rates."

Linked by who? Where? In France in 2001, there were 0.21 gun-related homicides per 100,000 people. In the same year, in England and Wales, which have much stricter gun laws than the USA, there were 0.15. In the USA, there were 3.98. That's over 26 times as many gun-related killings than England and Wales. Please explain to me how England and Wales have a higher rate of gun-related crime than the USA.

[ab1tchslap]

Well, John Stossel linked gun control to higher crime rates. How about the rise in crime in Washington DC after their gun ban?

[lexo30]

I've never heard of John Stossel. Gun crime in the UK also rose briefly after they introduced a blanket ban on handgun possession in 1997, but ever since then the overall trend in levels of handgun-related crime has been to decline. As soon as nobody can carry guns, criminals - who'll get them anyway - feel freer to use them. But it also becomes a lot easier for law enforcement to control the number of guns in circulation.

[ab1tchslap]

John Stossel is the 20/20 reporter who looks like ned flanders.

The gun related crime probably decreases, but what about overall crime? States with concealed carry laws also have lower crime rates without giving up any rights.

[lexo30]

I don't know what 20/20 is, not being American.

You reject gun control laws because they don't reduce overall crime rates? Isn't that wildly unreasonable of you? I for one find it a bit difficult to believe in a genuine correlation between gun control and, say, increased levels of securities fraud.

[lexo30]

I believe in gun control laws because they have a demonstrable effect in reducing the number of people who get (illegally) shot dead. That'll do me for the moment.

[martyaaa]

I love that rockin music they play in the background...

[lina881]

Is it an american tradition? This is why a lot of european think you are crazy !

[kimmarie801]

Yeah America needs to shut its doors to freaks

[bintjoo]

Oh please dont be so fucking narrow minded!!! its not just foreigners that do this sort of thing you asshole! Columbine (the beginning of this sort of thing) was 2 sweet lil boys from Kansas! Maybe your country shouldnt sell guns to any Tom Dick or Harry off the street huh????

[wreckens]

wow i hate you narrow minded fucking americans, shit, i wont be surprised if your ass gets bombed you self centered dick. you really dont know anything thats going on outside of america do you? all the stereotypical shit you fuckers say is unbelievable

[Vortex1988]

Sorry, that's the conservatives talking. They're not very intelligent.

Liberals on the other hand, know what they're talking about.

[nesseline]

Thanks for the update! Since I have no TV and apart from all the celebrity stuff there is sometimes even some real news to be found in what you call UPI news (a small percentage of it being really international news). But I get problems understanding the video when the text on the right doesn't correspond with the text read by Kristin. Please take care of this next time for us non-Americans. Thank you :)

[KostaA1982]

No, this doesn't happen every day in America.

[deerslayer25]

I can see by your name that you are definitely the person to be pointing fingers and judging others.

[shrubhuntertran13578]

True, but show some sympathy...