@bigwilMEX He would if it was designed to worshiping him. Where did rock come? hmm? Blues style in the 1950s and that came from classical music and that came from the HARP!!!! So if rock is the Devils music, then is the Harp also the devils music?
@bigwilMEX The thing is is that Satan has been associated with a lot of things Hymns are songs created to glorify Christ there is no problem with that at all. But everything can be used to glorify God and that is including the genra of Rock. Cause what is rock its just a high energy kind of music like hymns are more of a low beat style of music they are just styles of music therefore you can incorporate different styles of music to glorify our God.
Here is the way you can be sure. BEFORE falling in love with a song, ask yourself if the song is one Jesus would put on a His ipod. If you can see Jesus listening to "Christian" metal, or rap, then go ahead. Jesus prefers worship that is happy and invoke emotions of love. He does not like music that is loud.
@bigwilMEX Ok here we go again where in the Bible does it say that God only likes low energy conservatist type music. What we all have to understand is that we all are different. Now since we are different we have our own preferences. It is true we have to follow Gods was and we must glorify him but you have to understand God wants us to glorify Him in everything that we do and that includes what we like to do like playing Rock music or whatever we do!
By this teaching the songs of worship by Indians which are known as Bhajiyas are not worship, as they do not conform to the western tonal notation which the speaker exalts as the only basis for worship. It is interesting to note that countries where the church is growing rapidly, which are not western & whose music does not conform to the speakers 'correct definition', are the countries where there is revival and thousands being added to the church (perhaps no inspite of the music they play ! )
Neither would the music he recommends have been accepted in ancient Jewish christian worship.
It does appear that the 'only' acceptable worship style of music, according to the speaker is music from the late 1800's, before the influence of black gospel, blues notes or jazz, were incorporated into western music. Songs such as Swing low, sweet chariot, would therefore be worldy and excluded, as would many other songs which black singers contributed with deep devotion to the Lord.
The speaker makes some good points, but the basis of some of his interpretations of melody, harmony and rythmn in certain songs, are limited to and influenced by, his own former experiences of music he enjoyed in his youth. He makes no reference to what type of music is acceptable for Indian worship in southern India, where the style he recommends would be a foreign import, in all aspects of melody, harmony and rythmn.
The power is Christian music is in the words, not the music.
The power in Satanic music is in the music, not the words.
Christian words with satanic music is no Christian music at all.
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord... - Ephesians 5:11, 19
@Figsx Well i will agree with you if you say that the power of Christ is in the words well then why would it matter what the music is being played if its Christian words. Like you say that Satan is in the music well hymns have music are you saying that bad. Seriously everyone watching this video we all have our ways of worship as long as the words are glorifying God and we know we love God and glorify him. Well it doesnt matter how we worship!!
All music can be contemporary. Hymns are contemporary for when they were written - 200 plus years ago. Todays music is contemporary for today. It is up to us to understand what is being song as many hymns were not biblical in their message. It sounds that you just wanted an excuse to stop playing rock music, but that was your decision - nothing wrong with your decision.
JT says, 'The sign of Devil's music is not the words but the music. The sign of Lord's music is the words, not the music.' Dr. Len Horowitz confirms this in his MUSICAL CULT CONTROL paper, which lists military sources behind establishing the A440 "concert" tuning to cause anger, hate, mind control, and dehumanization / destabilization. The musical scale itself is chosen to harm you and everyone. Read Len's incredible paper (google it). You won't believe it, every song since 1930 is poison!
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Maybe those who criticize Contemporary Christian music should first listen to it. I am a big fan of hymns, but I love contemporary Christian also. The messages in both styles are essentially the same, they are just delivered to a different audience.
The word "hell" occurs 31 times in the Old Testament. The word translated "hell" is the Hebrew word "sheol." I am learning Hebrew. Learn Hebrew or have a translation guide, because meanings of words are lost in translation. Satan tried to destroy the Hebrew people and language for a reason. exp.In Arabic Muhammad means lovely... BUT in Hebrew the true meaning is THE PATHWAY TO OVERWHELMING CHAOS. There is a path that leads to HELL. God is warning His people to warn others. Warn God's people!
The Lord told me-and I hear from the Lord, "Hell is a place where God is NOT." The Lord told me that He created a place for Satan and his fallen demons to abide because Satan was banished from God's presence. All those who reject Christ end up here by "Choice" or failure to make one. The Lord told me to warn people about the serious consequences of sin. Sin does have serious consequences-are you saying there are no consequences to SIN??? Christ PAID it in full IF and Only IF a person accepts him
Unfortunately this is not "rightly dividing the word of truth" (2Ti 2:15 ). The passage in Corinthians has nothing to do with music. Paul is saying that it is not profitable to speak in tongues (different languages) when there is no one there who speaks that language. He uses instruments as an example, if you speak in a foreign language to people who cannot understand it, it sounds like you are just indiscriminately playing motes on instruments (i.e. not making music).
I am so glad that God saved me. Jesus told me, I want you to sing for me. I said yes. I told Jesus, but my music is different from what I hear on the radio. Jesus said, " Be who I made you to be. Don't try to be like everyone else. Sing for my Glory." Jesus have your way. The music He has birthed through me, the Lord told me that He will use the same songs He used to set me free, He will set others free. Jesus says, "It's the Spirit you are in." You can sing gospel and still go to hell.
@KMilleTMGArtist The word "hell" NEVER appears in the original manuscripts of the hebrew old testament and the greek new testament. God is the savior of all creation and His plan of salvation for humanity cannot be thwarted by the will of man or the will of satan. Type in "hell is a mistranslation" on google and you can research it for yourself and decide if you want to believe it or not. It changed my whole outlook on God in a good way.
Yes I am not of YOU. Because I believe that God sent His only Son Christ Jesus to die for ALL. So that ALL may be saved. I believe that the Bible should never be taken out of context like you have taken it countless times. And I believe that music is exactly that music. But the lyrics and meaning behind differ and can definitely be used for Gods glory. How do You know if someone is of God? If they preach that Christ is Gods Son, and payed then price for our sins.
Iv been to churches that use traditional hymns, and they'r really good. But this one time I went to a church where they all used hymns but they threw a man out just because he was an African American brother. Does this mean now that everyone that uses hymns is racist? NO! So stop using non-sensical statements. All of Christian Contemporary is not based on Rick Warren it's based on GOD. I love how you never answer any of my questions, instead you like to stone me with yours and ma
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1John 2:19
Can you please use your head?! I'm not talking about Rick Warren! I clearly said that yes they are some who are hurting the church. But I'm talking about CONTEMPORARY CHRISTIAN BANDS! Most of there songs are totally Bible based. In fact Mark Hall the leader of Casting Crowns leads extremely good Bible study's. Judge yourself before you judge others. Stop applying a label to EVERYONE just because of one persons faults. I'm done here, this is ridiculous. You people keep making stat
How are hymns equal in holiness to the Bible? Are hymns written by God? NO! They are written by men. Anything except the Bible was written by men. Saying that Hymns and the Bible are so holy they can't be made into quote "worldly music" is rubbish. Subconscious messaging? THIS IS CHRISTIAN CONTEMPORARY NOT TUPAC! When was the last time you heard that a band like "Casting Crowns" sent a kid suicidal? NEVER! In fact such CHRISTIAN contemporary bands help bring in thousands to know Ch
There isn't really much else I can say to you. You continue to refuse answering questions and you make statements that make zero sense. Christian Contemporary music in general does not promote a one world religion. It promotes the religion of Jesus Christ. The religion which will soon be the only religion when my Savior returns. There's nothing else I can say. So go ahead and stay stuck up in your traditionalist views. Just please don't hate on many of these Christian musicians;
@thelastlonesurvivor You have to understand the occult thats in the contemporary christian music. They are backmasking the music with subliminals to enfleunce the minds of teenagers and adults. People like micheal smith are backmasking the music. If you dont know how powerful music is you need to read up on how music effects the soul. Now imagine when you put certain backmasking frequencies in the music.
@thelastlonesurvivor You like it because it appeals to the flesh. When Rick Warren's people take over a church, they throw out the hymn books and use your music. Then they throw out the people that disagree with them. Phyllis Tickle ( a Warren follower) says we don't need the Bible. If you cannot see the collapse of Christianity then: Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Matthew 15:14
What Rick is doing is wrong then. Not that he is playing rock but that he is forcing others out. But this is true with even traditional non-rock associated churches too, where forced discrimination is still present. "For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Now back to the point I'm trying to make..
Proverbs 29:18- "Where there is no vision the people perish."
When people are stuck up and are not willing to see change in the future they perish. This argument yo
@thelastlonesurvivor The change is everywhere, as the churches (emerging church) all come together to form the one world religion. The basic start is to change the music to a form that appeals to more people as well as the "preaching".
Emerging Church Play List
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Before you go any further I agree with you on one point. Yes SOME bands that state to be "Christian" are not doing the right things. However there are many Christian Contemporary Bands that play their music and clearly preach the gospel in it. Again I ask you to please listen to a few songs from "Casting Crowns" "Tenth Avenue North" "Jeremy Camp"
I hope God has mercy on you. Christians such as Jeremy Camp, Casting Crowns etc sacrifice their lives to spread the Gospel while you sit in your closed rooms, typing up your own traditionalist ideas, and quoting Gods Word with out taking any context into the meaning.
John 1:17-"For the law was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."
Quoting Scriptures is all good. But just quoting without knowing the meaning and taking it out of context is not. As you have continually failed to answer any of my questions as well as just cut and pasted Scripture references out of context and expected that to do it.
You consistently ignore my questions. WHERE IS THE HYPOCRITICAL SAYING in CCR MUSIC? WHICH CHRISTIAN BANDS PREACH BLASPHEMY AND LIES? The more and more I try to figure this out the more and more I feel that this argument is focused on one thing. TRADITION. Music will not always stay the same tune and beat. 200 years from now the music we hear will bot have the same beat or tune as now. But what joins us together is the MEANING. Praising the Lord of hosts in one spirit and one bod
@thelastlonesurvivor Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2Corinthians 6:15-18
@thelastlonesurvivor And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
After skimming thru your video you posted I think I have a clearer picture of your viewpoint. However I am now even more opposed to your standing. Number one, you apparently have no clue what CONTEMPORARY Christian rock is. The sound clips you posted in your video are from HEAVY METAL SCREAMOS. Contemporary Christian Rock much much different. I don't know if you have listened to any of the videos iv asked you to but I urge you to check them out: "Casting Crowns" "Tenth Avenue Nor
Where in the Bible does it say "Thou shalt not worship Me with this beat." Nowhere! In fact it says the quite opposite. Praise the Lord with the strings and winded instruments, with the drums and cymbals! Let EVERYTHING THAT HAS BREATH PRAISE THE LORD!
Again I urge you to aleast watch clips of the following bands: "Casting Crowns" "Tenth Avenue North" "Jeremy Camp".
In order to get a more fuller picture of what your view point is I will watch the video you posted.
@thelastlonesurvivor Today's churches are a mess and world's "music" has helped bring in apostasy. The beat stimulates the flesh and secular rock musicians know this.
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in he latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1Tomothy 4:1,2
Brother, I understand your view point. Yes rock music in general has its evil roots. But did you know that even the tunes to the hymns we sing in church do as well? Many of our tunes originate from Celtic pagan worship. The famous Christian composer Franny J Crosby wrote many of her songs to tunes which were played in bars and saloons. My brother, we should abstain from the APPEARANCE of evil. But in what ways are Contemporary Christian Rock groups portraying an appearance of evi
Your statement that CHRISTIAN contemporary rock music is of this world is entirely opinionated. As for the verse you chose let me show you the CONTEXT in which Apostle John is saying this. Let me start off by reading 1 John 4:3-4
"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and ha
I feel so angry that problems such as this are separating us Christians. Christian Contemporary Rock IS NOT evil. Even the hymns you may sing have backgrounds in Celtic pagan worship. Even the pianos and violins you may use have backgrounds in atheistic ungodly practices. It is what is PUT FORTH from the music that matters. It's the MESSAGE being conveyed. The message that Jesus Christ died for our sins, He paid the price for us because of the love of God.. Stop changing things just because the
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1John 4:5,6
Abigail Sings Scripture Play List - h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/view_play_list?p=34B22E9C0526344F
Btw...Psalm 150 1Praise the Lord. Praise God in His sanctuary; praise him in His mighty heavens. 2Praise Him for His acts of power; praise Him for His surpassing Greatness. 3Praise Him with rhe sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre, 4praise Him with tambourine and dancing, praise Him with the strings and flute, 5praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise Him with the resounding symbals. 6LET EVERYTHING THAT HAS BREATHE PRAISE THE LORD. Praise the Lord
@Insanonymous Christian music is not meant for the unbeliever. It is meant for the Christian to praise God. If miniscule word shifts are present then it still praises God. If music was suppose to be what is in the white books in front of you in church then even Jesus singing with His apostles before passover were wrong in your eyes. Music evolves not by satans hand, but mans.
Fundies... Christian music is christian music. Satan didn't make music God did. If a song praises God, the purpose of christian music, then it praises God. This guy is melding His fanatical views to show his false doctrine.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1John 2:19
@BereanBeacon1 This is suppose to mean I am less Christian? Thank you for expressing the fact that you bundle scripture that seems to fit your arguement, but was meant for an entirely different purpose. This passage addresses those who actually left the church, and turned against Jesus. When he says They would have remained he is saying if they were saved then they would have stayed, but since they weren't they left.
So what is christen music? Dos it sound like country? Bluesy? Blue grass? What instruments? Piano? Acoustic guitar ? You can find all these things in the worlds music. So tell me someone what is a christen beat? If you know anything about music you know that there is a limited number of cords/riffs/beats/melodies. If you go back 1000 years your "church" music sounded like the worlds music at that time but you cling to tradition/bondage. I am free and I can worship God with instruments I like.
@rpgdude2008 Your "music" appeals to the flesh and is of the world.
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1John 4:5,6
@BereanBeacon1 You have no clue what I listen to and you still haven't answered my question.
All you'v done is attack me. Any thing you point to I can assure you has been used In "worldly" music Watch this"hymnal style music was first used in Celtic polytheism songs. Any drums where first used in tribal/pagan song. Piano's, violins and acoustic guitars all find there roots in classical. Ill ask again" What is christen music?" What do you listen to?
@rpgdude2008 Thus indicating that when we sing(not chant, rap, growl or scream, but SING), that we must do it with an UNDERSTANDING in order to edify and admonish another in the congregation and in order to be edified and admonished from it, any logical conclusion that first we should first be able to UNDERSTAND what we are singing about, or else, the form of music that brought out in Eph.5:19 and Col.3:16 will lose one of their main purposes which is to edify.
@rpgdude2008 church and because of this I also want to point another verse in 1 Corinthians 14:15, and the whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 14 which was talking about where it says that all things are to be do unto edification of the congregation of believers where it comes to the conclusion in verse 13 where it says "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."
@rpgdude2008 that out the music is to be of the spirit(or "spiritual"), and not a work or a parade of the flesh, therefore it is clear that Paul in context is teaching us that that music is not made to satisfy our personal desire and preferances and it is also not to be perfomance, entertainment and fleshly, chaoticly, orgasticly and ecspecially not eroticly oriented. But instead to be spiritual, and through this fostering true unity within a doctrinal stand and also edification in the
@rpgdude2008 or please and satisfy the lust of the flesh or the desires of the mind. For example in Galations 5:16 it says: "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would." And yet since in both Ephesions 5:19 and Colosians 3:16
@rpgdude2008 music that is to be used in the fellowship and the personal and public level of the true Believers which should truly reflect God's glory, beauty, holiness and order, and also should direct men to His holines and His ways(not the worlds). And yet the songs had to be spiritual, "spiritual": which means something that is diametrically oppossed to the flesh or anything that would draw attention from a fleshly parade that would appeal to,
@rpgdude2008 has created only more problems), but in sence that it adresses what form of music we should be using and the purpose and context of how we use it, thus coming to the conclusion that there must be a great signifecance behind those passages, ecspecially when it speaks about the the use of psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. And putting this as a side note, using the criteria that I just went through concerning Colosians 3:16 and Ephesians 5:19 which brings about the
@rpgdude2008 is when God says or brings out something two or more times in scripture(in the mouth of two or three witnesses), thus to come to the conclusian that God must be trully making a point in saying a statement several times to make a point in the book of Colosians 3 and Ephesians 5 which both are parrallel passages thus giving the indication that the use of psalms, hymns and spiritual songs must be very important, not in a sence that music is to become the emphisise(which can and
@rpgdude2008 every word may be established." Now you problebly know and I know that in context of what that verse was talking about the confrontation about a fault between a brother and a another man that has commited a sin, but if that person does not admit to that sin, then bring two or three people with you to confront that person, and if that person don'tacknowledge his fault, then tell it to the church ect, ect... But another way to look ecspecially at this particular passage
rpgdude2008 I know from where your coming from might excuse your detriment of the use of psalms, hymns and spiritual songs which is brought in Colosians 3:16 and Ephesians 5:19 which is also hinted at in 1 Corinthians 14:15 and James 5:13 and for this reason I also want to point and bring out the scripture where it says "that in the mouth of two or three witnesses
The Bible says that in the last days His people will sing new songs! I thank God daily for the new music we have today that is so full of life & the Spirit of God!!! Please don't blame the Christian music of today for the rebellion in the hearts of our youth! Teenagers were drinking, doing drugs & having sex long before any of these groups were even born!! I believe that most of these groups are worshiping God with all there hearts & I support them 100%!
@brendaokuda They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1John 4:5,6
@BereanBeacon1 Dear BereanBeacon1, I believe you need to read the verses preceeding 5 &6. I John 4: 2 "Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God," I believe that as long as we worship God "in spirit & in truth" He doesn't care if we use a piano or electric guitar. From what you say we should only sing Psalms & Jewish worship songs. The Methodist & Baptist songs weren't created for 100's of yrs after Christ's resurrection, so not sanctioned by God.
@brendaokuda Ephesians 5:18-20 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody
in your heart to the Lord; Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father
@brendaokuda Colossians 3:16-17 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
David wilkerson'about five years ago I became dishearted when many pasters opened up their churches to rock concerts. teenagers went wild,dancing in aisles, and went straght out of church into backseats of cars for sex. parents wrote me brokenhearted saying,"My teenager was on fire for God,until our paster and the youth paster brought in these wild groups, he is backslidden,and I lost my son, he got an appetite for occult music right in our own church..."'
Galatians 6:7-8Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.2 Timothy 2:22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
1 Corinthians 10:20-22But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot bepartakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
Little Richard“Rock'n roll doesn't glorify God. You can't drink out of God's cup and the devil's cup at the same time. I was one of the pioneers of that music, one of the builders. I know what the blocks are made of because I built them”
2 Corinthians 5:17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Colossians 3:15-17
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
12 Some of you say, "We can do anything we want to." But I tell you that not everything is good for us. So I refuse to let anything have power over me.
that dang rock and or rolllllll... music. Listen, I dont like [most] contemporary Christian music anymore than this guy, but thats because its void of any and all talent (the bible says play skillyfully for the Lord, right?) You have so many rules mister, and i wonder if you truly know the joy of the Lord. Dancing before the Lord. Your testimony is lame by the way, thanks a lot boring baptist guy. Bill Monroe would shake his head at ya haha.
u r money hungry that stuff u r selling is nothing more than playing on peoples problems i hope u r giving that stuff to people then let them pay what they think it is worth u will have to face your judgment one day
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1John 2:19
Alan went into Rock 'n Roll with all the wrong motives. When God's Spirit convicts us of our fruitless motives, we tend to remove those things from our lives and search for the right motives in our heart that pleases God.
Christian music, in all of it's forms and genre's, are very distinct from the world's music because of the direction of worship, the mention of Jesus Christ and the accompaniment of the melody.
Alan went into rock n' roll before he knew Christ. That's a BIG difference. Remember we must worship not only in spirit, BUT... also in TRUTH. These verses he uses are used in context.
@tjhammond - I understand that Alan went into Rock 'n Roll for the wrong motives before he knew Christ but that doesn't mean that a person cannot go into Christian Rock after coming to Christ for the right motives. That is, to lead others into praise and worship, to witness to others, preach the Gospel and give testimony in lyrics and in life.
The verses he is using are not referring specifically to music but to unknown languages (tongues). Besides, music changes over time.
How can you use the music of this world to reach the world? Should't Christians have a different type of song in there mouth? Not just in lyrics but in style as well?
The style has everything to do with it. The Bible says. "And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." Psalm 40:3
This was spoken of after the psalmist was "brought up out of an horrible pit" (bondage to sin).
Music in the church should be Psalms, Hymns and Spiritual Songs (Eph. 5:19, Col. 3:16) because music to the "new man" (Eph. 4:24) should be unspotted from the world (Ja. 1:27).
@tjhammond - I agree that the songs that should be used to lead us into worship should be from the result of the new life we have found in Christ. However, you still haven’t answered my question. Why does the style of music make a difference? Why can’t I praise God to spiritual songs such as “Everlasting God” by Lincoln Brewster or “Jesus Saves” by Jeremy Camp? Who gets to say what is a “hymn” or “psalm?”
The word "spiritual" implies the opposite of carnal (look up the greek in a Strong's concordance). Since CCM and music of that realm evokes the use of rock/pop music, (the music of Michael Jackson, Madonna, Lady gaga Brittany Spears) The music that we as Christians use should not reflect there carnal pop culture of the minute, but rather reflect the timeless nature of God.
Let me ask you, do you think music is a moral issue?
@tjhammond - Yes, I understand what "carnal" means; it means of fleshly or sensual nature. However, where does it say in the bible that music is carnal or fleshly?
Just because secular music sounds a certain way does not mean that we cannot use it. The Romans used a crucifix to kill the worst criminals but the cross is now in thousands of churches today & on the necks of Christians worldwide. Should we ban the cross because it was once a pagan instrument of death and torture?
Well, the cross in our culture is associated with Christ, because he died on the cross. Now, since we agree that the cross of Christ has a pro-Christian meaning, it can be said that rock music has a anti-Christian meaning. And since rock music is utterly carnal, we as Christians should not listen to it.
@tjhammond - Yes, and Christian music in our culture is associated with Christ as well. No, we cannot say that "it can be said that rock music has a anti-Christian meaning." Thats your opinion, not fact. Rock music is NOT carnal; sexual explicit movies, pornography, lust, skin tight jeans, naked woman are "carnal." Evidently you are confused on the definition of what carnal means. Music is not carnal, it is amoral. It is a medium, a mode of communication.
What about the phrase "Sex, Drugs and Rock n' Roll? Have you studied the history of rock music? Do you know that the term "rock-n-roll" is a euphemism for sex? Go to history-of-rock. com and read for yourself. What I am saying concerning amoral is any art created by man has the influence of that person, and thus is either moral or immoral.
@tjhammond - I know the history of Rock ‘n Roll. I really don’t care about its origins. Why? I already gave you this example; remember the Roman instrument of death called a crucifix or cross? Regardless of the history, purpose and origin, God used this pagan death & torture device to kill His Son to save us from our sins. Regardless of the origin of Rock ‘n Roll, Christians take from the heathens and use it for a better purpose; that is to worship & glorify God.
The cross is equatable to music generically, but rock music is in general debased and is not suitable for worship. The cross was not a work of art. The cross as an object would be more equatable to a guillotine, the gallows or the electric chair. God on the other hand does not use immoral things to express the sacred. Christians have not "taken back rock music, rock music is using Christians. The majority of CCM bands are owned secularly
@tjhammond - Why did Jesus say that Christians must be baptized? Can baptism save you? No, the reason is because the Israelites were familiar with the custom because it was tradition in Judaism. The Gentiles were familiar with baptism because of pagan rituals using bull’s blood to cleanse you for eternal life. You see, God uses what people know to glorify Him. As Christians living in today’s age, we are free to do the same.
@tjhammond - Now, you are reaching far my friend. Yes, God was the first to do an animal “sacrifice” for man but Genesis never mentions that God baptized Adam and Eve or immersed them in blood or water. A sacrifice is not immersion in fluids such as water or bull’s blood. A sacrifice is merely the killing of an animal and the shedding (removal) of blood. Again, using things like, “I would say that baptism has no such pagan roots” is your opinion.
@tjhammond - Again, animal sacrifice’s were for the covering of sins. Romans 3:25 – “For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. ”
Therefore, the animal sacrifices in the OT were symbolic of His death covering our sins.
@tjhammond - Romans 6:4 - “For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.”
The water baptism is symbolic of His burial and resurrection and our spiritual death and resurrection in our new life in Christ.
@tjhammond - Yes, so now you understand that Christians have taken back Rock music and have created the influence of Christ which is moral. Music in general is amoral but what you do with is what makes it moral or immoral. Since, we have the mind of Christ and know that all things are permissible; Rock music can do good, just as it can do evil.
@tjhammond - Christians who worship God with CCM are not stubborn; we are free from religiosity, man-made rules, church-made regulations and the Mosaic Law. I am living a victorious life in Christ, regardless of the music I choose to listen too. Music is not sinful; it is not evil; it is not a crime; it is not listed as one of the Ten Commandments.
Sounds to me like anarchy. Tell me, where does it say in the Bible that we can imitate the immoral things of the world and call it Christian if Christians do it? Book Chapter & Verse
@tjhammond - First of all, it must be determined what is immoral and what is not. The rule for that is found in the bible. Unfortunately for you, the bible never mentions that music is immoral. It’s only your opinion that music is a morality issue. Again, you don't seem to understand that music in its natural form is not immoral; it is amoral; that means that music is neutral, just like art and languages.
@tjhammond - A piano does not sin. A pipe organ does not sin. A drum does not sin. A guitar cannot sin. Immorality is the result of sin. If the thing cannot sin, it cannot be immoral. Only when immoral people create an immoral thing out of an amoral thing can it be called immoral. However, in its natural state music is neutral and it cannot be an immoral thing unless manipulated by immorality for immoral purposes. It’s just common sense.
@tjhammond - Your logic seems to suggest that because the world has something immoral like Rock music, then if Christians use Rock music, then it’s still immoral, right? Thus, by your own logic, since the internet is full of pornography and Christians use the internet, then Christians must be immoral also, right? So, by your own admission you are guilty and are a hypocrite. Doesn’t make sense does it?
My logic says that that the idea of the internet is is amoral. But, if someone said they were producing Christian porn I would say that that is still immoral even though they claim that they are doing it in the right spirit.
I have not condemned all music. All I've said is that there is good music and bad music.
@tjhammond - Okay, I agree that the idea of the internet is amoral and that “if someone said they were producing Christian porn I would say that that is still immoral even though they claim that they are doing it in the right spirit.” There’s no argument there. However, that wasn’t my point but I understand that was yours. Yes, we agree there is good music and bad music, no argument there.
@tjhammond - How do we determine the immorality in music? By the lyrics, the message and the intent! How do we determine the morality in music? By the lyrics, the message and the intent! The style of music is irrelevant because if it were all about the “style” then we are all doomed because Jesus forgot to tell the church what “style” of music to play in church!
@tjhammond - There is nothing wrong with music, regardless of its style. It is the lyrics alone that make the difference, not the music. If it were the opposite then David would have written down the musical notes instead of the words in Psalms. The music is not as important as the heart & the words behind it. If you are more focused upon the music and not the motive for worship, then you need to re-examine yourself.
Brahms Beethoven Bach Luther Wesley and I would disagree with you on this statement. David was a musician, he probably had specific music to be played to the psalms, but such time has passed that we probably wouldn't be able to figure out what the notation meant even if it were found today.
@tjhammond - If you don't like worshipping Christ with CCM, then you probably shouldn't. But, If I choose to listen to it and praise and worship God with it, it's none of your business. Who are you to judge me? My salvation does not depend upon what style of music I choose to worship God with. Am I going to hell because I worshiped God with CCM? No, my salvation depends upon my faith in Christ.
Besides, God is looking at my motives, my heart and my devotion to Him, not the style of music.
Remember King Saul? He wanted to worship God his own way. He offered a sacrifice instead of waiting for Samuel to do it (I Sam. 15) Samuel rebuked him: "Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice" and because of that Saul lost his kingship. Now, I believe Saul is in heaven and I can explain of you want; but because of Saul's stubborness, he did not receive God's best. You could be living a much more victorious Christian life you surrender your musical choices to His will.
HI, Who is the speaker and what is the ministry called? I would like to purchase the messages mentioned at the end and also would like more info on godly christian music. This has been a personal struggle of mine. God Bless You!
Given just how many people have testimonies of going away from the paths of suicide and Satanism due to music such as August Burns Red, For Today, etc (all very heavycore bands), HOW DARE YOU claim that these are "Of the Devil"! You shall judge the music by it's fruit... and so you have to look at the fruit of the music. Salvation in Jesus Christ's name has come from the music you curse. I have seen before my very eyes lives changed through this "Satan music." I pray revelation right now to you
Given just how many people have testimonies of going away from the paths of suicide and Satanism due to music such as August Burns Red, For Today, etc (all very heavycore bands), HOW DARE YOU claim that these are "Of the Devil"! You shall judge the music by it's fruit... and so you have to look at the fruit of the music. Salvation in Jesus Christ's name has come from the music you curse. I have seen before my very eyes lives changed through this "Satan music." I pray revelation right now to you
you guys. If you would just try to get something out of message, you might be able to change your life. Who cares about the punctuation. Learn something from the message then help the man with his writing. If nothing else, discuss punctuation errors while the 2 of sit with Jesus at the throne of God.
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"Dead Poetic is a Christian hard rock band hailing from Dayton, Ohio. They are currently signed to Tooth & Nail Records and have performed at the CORNERSTONE Festival in Bushnell, Illinois. Their third album, VICES was released HALLOWEEN of 2006."
PLEASE, PARENTS, NOT ALL THAT GLITTERS IS GOLD!!
Thus, NOT ALL THAT CLAIMS TO BE CHRISTIAN IS CHRISTIAN!! It sells, and that is all!
Do ppl actually believe in this nonsense in this day and age? God? Are you kidding me? Do ppl still believe in santa claus as well? If you have an imaginary friend - grow up! If this half-wit wasn't an indoctrinated cretin he would have been able to get much enjoyment out of music. Instead he wastes his life devoting it to a myth. Pathetic.
@RainhadoCanto4 Quoting from your book of fairy tales is weak and pathetic. I don't believe in your imaginary friend so your silly book means nothing to me. Understand?
@RainhadoCanto4 You're the one with the imaginary friend. Not me. Therefore you're the fool. I have 4 degrees, including a Ph.D. You, on the other hand, are dumber than a bucket of wet hair. If you have some evidence of your imaginary friend then let's see it. Otherwise you're the idiot making absurd claims with no evidence to back them. Fool!
HA HA HA!! A PhD that any High School graduate can get!!
Maybe that is why they refer to it as "Pile it Higher and Deeper!!"
And they are not talking papers, either!! Ha Ha Ha!
Also suits you like a T!
As for my God, He lives in me!! I see proof of Him the minute I open my eyes and look around me, and feast on the beautiful world He has created, and the sheer WONDERS He has wrought in me!
Only BLIND fools can't see this!! And, did you say that was YOU?
@RainhadoCanto4 Since you think god lives inside you I guess it should'nt be too hard for you to pop over here and walk across my swimming pool. Then I'll believe you. Until then you're just another brain-dead, delusional, brainwashed, indoctrinated, half-wit.
Oh! No! I need not a mirror to know that He is my heart!!
You are pretty foolish to think that I could pop over there just for knowing God is my CREATOR!
But, I am certain that by the way you seem to be riled-up, should you look in the mirror you would see a brain-dead, delusional, brainwashed, indoctrinated, A WHOLE NIT-WIT, for you are a follower of a religion that believes YOU CAME FROM NOTHING!!
@RainhadoCanto4 So now god is in your heart? That doesn't prove anything. Where is the proof of your imaginary friend? And what religion do I belong to that claims man came from nothing? That's just more evidence you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just a robot. You've been programmed to believe in a fairy tale. A fairy tale that controls you like a good little robot. Get an education.
HA HA HA HA!! You are hilarious!! For your information, I have an education, but I need not boast of it like you who, quite visibly, have an inferiority complex, who even has to announce you have a swimming pool!! How tacky!!
And, if you don't believe in God, you are an Atheist!! Gee, just how much intelligence can something that came from nothing possess?! Not much!! If anything,
I know I have a CREATOR!! You, on the other hand, were the ACCIDENTAL result of a "bang!"
@RainhadoCanto4 You claim to have an education but you called me an "a-whole?" Right. Clearly you're just another religious cretin. And the only reason I mentioned my pool is because I challenged your god to walk on water. It's obvious you're not smart enough to grasp simple concepts. Nevermind advanced thinking. You're just another brainwashed half-wit. You're much too uneducated and puerile to bother with.
Your parents should demand their money back for the SUPPOSED education you got, of which you don't seem to be able to cease to brag, for you PROVE to not have it: "...bother with." ?
@RainhadoCanto4 I rest my case. Everytime you comment you prove the ignorance and hypocrisy of xtianity. Keep it up! You're a great example of how nuts the religious are.
It is time your rested your case, for you have not one!!
You have proven to yourself that you are no match for me!!
Thus, you resort to the HYPOCRISY of claiming that I am not Christian, because it is I can deal with the low-lives such as you!!
For that is just what you are!! An amoeba is capable of more wit than you!! You are dull and dumb, and do no more than repeat yourself, boasting of a non-existent education which you can't even prove in your writing!!
@RainhadoCanto4 I can see this is pointless. You have a reading comprehension problem. I didn't say you weren't a xtian. I said you are a hypocrite. All xtians are hypocrites. When you look up the word xtian in the dictionary is should say "hypocrite." The fact that you are calling me names proves you're a hypocrite. I'm sure you're not smart enough to get that though.
HA HA HA!! Again!! Here the "education" being shown for what it is!! Ending a sentence with a preposition!! YOU ARE A DIMWIT!!
It is YOU who lack English comprehension: if you call someone a hypocrite when mentioning Christianity, it is inferred that CHRISTIAN IT IS THAT THEY ARE, NITWIT!!
YOU HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN TO TEACH ME ANY ENGLISH, YOU MORON!! And, even then, I doubt you'd learn much!
Come to think of it, I did not call you an "a-whole" before, although it fits you well! Do wear it!! But, please, do remove the "w". Obviously, you can't spell, either!!
this guy is my freaking hero
tehsamjones 1 week ago
ok. So why do you not sing the Trisaggion in your churches? What happened to singing the troparions of the early Church?
dmaster254 2 weeks ago
To much noise??? sounds like your opinion that you don't like the style rock/metal music.
shipreck1000 2 months ago
The devil has been associated with rock and roll for a long time. Ask yourself if Jesus would listen to that.
bigwilMEX 3 months ago
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shipreck1000 2 months ago
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@bigwilMEX He would if it was designed to worshiping him. Where did rock come? hmm? Blues style in the 1950s and that came from classical music and that came from the HARP!!!! So if rock is the Devils music, then is the Harp also the devils music?
shipreck1000 2 months ago
@bigwilMEX The thing is is that Satan has been associated with a lot of things Hymns are songs created to glorify Christ there is no problem with that at all. But everything can be used to glorify God and that is including the genra of Rock. Cause what is rock its just a high energy kind of music like hymns are more of a low beat style of music they are just styles of music therefore you can incorporate different styles of music to glorify our God.
ecthetechguy 1 month ago
Here is the way you can be sure. BEFORE falling in love with a song, ask yourself if the song is one Jesus would put on a His ipod. If you can see Jesus listening to "Christian" metal, or rap, then go ahead. Jesus prefers worship that is happy and invoke emotions of love. He does not like music that is loud.
bigwilMEX 3 months ago
@bigwilMEX Did Jesus tell you that Himself?
TheColtMeister 2 months ago
@bigwilMEX Loud is not a style of music. Hymns can be loud if played loud. Just like rock, metal, etc can also be played loud if wanted.
shipreck1000 2 months ago
@bigwilMEX Ok here we go again where in the Bible does it say that God only likes low energy conservatist type music. What we all have to understand is that we all are different. Now since we are different we have our own preferences. It is true we have to follow Gods was and we must glorify him but you have to understand God wants us to glorify Him in everything that we do and that includes what we like to do like playing Rock music or whatever we do!
ecthetechguy 1 month ago
By this teaching the songs of worship by Indians which are known as Bhajiyas are not worship, as they do not conform to the western tonal notation which the speaker exalts as the only basis for worship. It is interesting to note that countries where the church is growing rapidly, which are not western & whose music does not conform to the speakers 'correct definition', are the countries where there is revival and thousands being added to the church (perhaps no inspite of the music they play ! )
faithbyloving 3 months ago
Neither would the music he recommends have been accepted in ancient Jewish christian worship.
It does appear that the 'only' acceptable worship style of music, according to the speaker is music from the late 1800's, before the influence of black gospel, blues notes or jazz, were incorporated into western music. Songs such as Swing low, sweet chariot, would therefore be worldy and excluded, as would many other songs which black singers contributed with deep devotion to the Lord.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
The speaker makes some good points, but the basis of some of his interpretations of melody, harmony and rythmn in certain songs, are limited to and influenced by, his own former experiences of music he enjoyed in his youth. He makes no reference to what type of music is acceptable for Indian worship in southern India, where the style he recommends would be a foreign import, in all aspects of melody, harmony and rythmn.
faithbyloving 3 months ago
The power is Christian music is in the words, not the music.
The power in Satanic music is in the music, not the words.
Christian words with satanic music is no Christian music at all.
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord... - Ephesians 5:11, 19
Figsx 3 months ago
@Figsx Well i will agree with you if you say that the power of Christ is in the words well then why would it matter what the music is being played if its Christian words. Like you say that Satan is in the music well hymns have music are you saying that bad. Seriously everyone watching this video we all have our ways of worship as long as the words are glorifying God and we know we love God and glorify him. Well it doesnt matter how we worship!!
ecthetechguy 1 month ago
some of the old hymns started as drinking songs.
mrwave29 4 months ago
All music can be contemporary. Hymns are contemporary for when they were written - 200 plus years ago. Todays music is contemporary for today. It is up to us to understand what is being song as many hymns were not biblical in their message. It sounds that you just wanted an excuse to stop playing rock music, but that was your decision - nothing wrong with your decision.
tassiespirit 5 months ago 4
For 'sound' Biblical God honouring music Listen to FBC Radio at .fbcradio. org/listen.aspx
Read: "Confronting Contemporary Christian" Music by H T Spence
May God speak to your heart as you seek for truth concerning this all important message of sound Biblical 'Christian Music'.
cheryl7davis 5 months ago
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JT says, 'The sign of Devil's music is not the words but the music. The sign of Lord's music is the words, not the music.' Dr. Len Horowitz confirms this in his MUSICAL CULT CONTROL paper, which lists military sources behind establishing the A440 "concert" tuning to cause anger, hate, mind control, and dehumanization / destabilization. The musical scale itself is chosen to harm you and everyone. Read Len's incredible paper (google it). You won't believe it, every song since 1930 is poison!
33rdPatriot 5 months ago
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How do you reconcile this with Colossians 15-18?
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
oldgamergeek 5 months ago
Maybe those who criticize Contemporary Christian music should first listen to it. I am a big fan of hymns, but I love contemporary Christian also. The messages in both styles are essentially the same, they are just delivered to a different audience.
RunningBear316 5 months ago
The word "hell" occurs 31 times in the Old Testament. The word translated "hell" is the Hebrew word "sheol." I am learning Hebrew. Learn Hebrew or have a translation guide, because meanings of words are lost in translation. Satan tried to destroy the Hebrew people and language for a reason. exp.In Arabic Muhammad means lovely... BUT in Hebrew the true meaning is THE PATHWAY TO OVERWHELMING CHAOS. There is a path that leads to HELL. God is warning His people to warn others. Warn God's people!
KMilleTMGArtist 5 months ago
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BereanBeacon1 5 months ago
The Lord told me-and I hear from the Lord, "Hell is a place where God is NOT." The Lord told me that He created a place for Satan and his fallen demons to abide because Satan was banished from God's presence. All those who reject Christ end up here by "Choice" or failure to make one. The Lord told me to warn people about the serious consequences of sin. Sin does have serious consequences-are you saying there are no consequences to SIN??? Christ PAID it in full IF and Only IF a person accepts him
KMilleTMGArtist 5 months ago
Unfortunately this is not "rightly dividing the word of truth" (2Ti 2:15 ). The passage in Corinthians has nothing to do with music. Paul is saying that it is not profitable to speak in tongues (different languages) when there is no one there who speaks that language. He uses instruments as an example, if you speak in a foreign language to people who cannot understand it, it sounds like you are just indiscriminately playing motes on instruments (i.e. not making music).
camcrispin 5 months ago
I am so glad that God saved me. Jesus told me, I want you to sing for me. I said yes. I told Jesus, but my music is different from what I hear on the radio. Jesus said, " Be who I made you to be. Don't try to be like everyone else. Sing for my Glory." Jesus have your way. The music He has birthed through me, the Lord told me that He will use the same songs He used to set me free, He will set others free. Jesus says, "It's the Spirit you are in." You can sing gospel and still go to hell.
KMilleTMGArtist 6 months ago
@KMilleTMGArtist The word "hell" NEVER appears in the original manuscripts of the hebrew old testament and the greek new testament. God is the savior of all creation and His plan of salvation for humanity cannot be thwarted by the will of man or the will of satan. Type in "hell is a mistranslation" on google and you can research it for yourself and decide if you want to believe it or not. It changed my whole outlook on God in a good way.
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@BereanBeacon1
Yes I am not of YOU. Because I believe that God sent His only Son Christ Jesus to die for ALL. So that ALL may be saved. I believe that the Bible should never be taken out of context like you have taken it countless times. And I believe that music is exactly that music. But the lyrics and meaning behind differ and can definitely be used for Gods glory. How do You know if someone is of God? If they preach that Christ is Gods Son, and payed then price for our sins.
Stop perverting
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
Iv been to churches that use traditional hymns, and they'r really good. But this one time I went to a church where they all used hymns but they threw a man out just because he was an African American brother. Does this mean now that everyone that uses hymns is racist? NO! So stop using non-sensical statements. All of Christian Contemporary is not based on Rick Warren it's based on GOD. I love how you never answer any of my questions, instead you like to stone me with yours and ma
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor Thank you for identifying yourself.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1John 2:19
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
Can you please use your head?! I'm not talking about Rick Warren! I clearly said that yes they are some who are hurting the church. But I'm talking about CONTEMPORARY CHRISTIAN BANDS! Most of there songs are totally Bible based. In fact Mark Hall the leader of Casting Crowns leads extremely good Bible study's. Judge yourself before you judge others. Stop applying a label to EVERYONE just because of one persons faults. I'm done here, this is ridiculous. You people keep making stat
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@Zoharpineal
How are hymns equal in holiness to the Bible? Are hymns written by God? NO! They are written by men. Anything except the Bible was written by men. Saying that Hymns and the Bible are so holy they can't be made into quote "worldly music" is rubbish. Subconscious messaging? THIS IS CHRISTIAN CONTEMPORARY NOT TUPAC! When was the last time you heard that a band like "Casting Crowns" sent a kid suicidal? NEVER! In fact such CHRISTIAN contemporary bands help bring in thousands to know Ch
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
There isn't really much else I can say to you. You continue to refuse answering questions and you make statements that make zero sense. Christian Contemporary music in general does not promote a one world religion. It promotes the religion of Jesus Christ. The religion which will soon be the only religion when my Savior returns. There's nothing else I can say. So go ahead and stay stuck up in your traditionalist views. Just please don't hate on many of these Christian musicians;
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor You have to understand the occult thats in the contemporary christian music. They are backmasking the music with subliminals to enfleunce the minds of teenagers and adults. People like micheal smith are backmasking the music. If you dont know how powerful music is you need to read up on how music effects the soul. Now imagine when you put certain backmasking frequencies in the music.
Zoharpineal 6 months ago
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Zoharpineal 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor You like it because it appeals to the flesh. When Rick Warren's people take over a church, they throw out the hymn books and use your music. Then they throw out the people that disagree with them. Phyllis Tickle ( a Warren follower) says we don't need the Bible. If you cannot see the collapse of Christianity then: Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Matthew 15:14
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
What Rick is doing is wrong then. Not that he is playing rock but that he is forcing others out. But this is true with even traditional non-rock associated churches too, where forced discrimination is still present. "For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Now back to the point I'm trying to make..
Proverbs 29:18- "Where there is no vision the people perish."
When people are stuck up and are not willing to see change in the future they perish. This argument yo
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor The change is everywhere, as the churches (emerging church) all come together to form the one world religion. The basic start is to change the music to a form that appeals to more people as well as the "preaching".
Emerging Church Play List
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BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
Before you go any further I agree with you on one point. Yes SOME bands that state to be "Christian" are not doing the right things. However there are many Christian Contemporary Bands that play their music and clearly preach the gospel in it. Again I ask you to please listen to a few songs from "Casting Crowns" "Tenth Avenue North" "Jeremy Camp"
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
Personally? No. But I understand his background and what he does. Why?
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor Well, his people take over a church and introduce rock music and false teachings, then any resistance is forced to leave.
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
I hope God has mercy on you. Christians such as Jeremy Camp, Casting Crowns etc sacrifice their lives to spread the Gospel while you sit in your closed rooms, typing up your own traditionalist ideas, and quoting Gods Word with out taking any context into the meaning.
John 1:17-"For the law was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
Quoting Scriptures is all good. But just quoting without knowing the meaning and taking it out of context is not. As you have continually failed to answer any of my questions as well as just cut and pasted Scripture references out of context and expected that to do it.
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor Do you know Rick Warren?
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
You consistently ignore my questions. WHERE IS THE HYPOCRITICAL SAYING in CCR MUSIC? WHICH CHRISTIAN BANDS PREACH BLASPHEMY AND LIES? The more and more I try to figure this out the more and more I feel that this argument is focused on one thing. TRADITION. Music will not always stay the same tune and beat. 200 years from now the music we hear will bot have the same beat or tune as now. But what joins us together is the MEANING. Praising the Lord of hosts in one spirit and one bod
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2Corinthians 6:15-18
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
After skimming thru your video you posted I think I have a clearer picture of your viewpoint. However I am now even more opposed to your standing. Number one, you apparently have no clue what CONTEMPORARY Christian rock is. The sound clips you posted in your video are from HEAVY METAL SCREAMOS. Contemporary Christian Rock much much different. I don't know if you have listened to any of the videos iv asked you to but I urge you to check them out: "Casting Crowns" "Tenth Avenue Nor
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
Where in the Bible does it say "Thou shalt not worship Me with this beat." Nowhere! In fact it says the quite opposite. Praise the Lord with the strings and winded instruments, with the drums and cymbals! Let EVERYTHING THAT HAS BREATH PRAISE THE LORD!
Again I urge you to aleast watch clips of the following bands: "Casting Crowns" "Tenth Avenue North" "Jeremy Camp".
In order to get a more fuller picture of what your view point is I will watch the video you posted.
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor Today's churches are a mess and world's "music" has helped bring in apostasy. The beat stimulates the flesh and secular rock musicians know this.
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in he latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1Tomothy 4:1,2
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
Brother, I understand your view point. Yes rock music in general has its evil roots. But did you know that even the tunes to the hymns we sing in church do as well? Many of our tunes originate from Celtic pagan worship. The famous Christian composer Franny J Crosby wrote many of her songs to tunes which were played in bars and saloons. My brother, we should abstain from the APPEARANCE of evil. But in what ways are Contemporary Christian Rock groups portraying an appearance of evi
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor It's the beat, as shown in this video.
"Christian" Rock Destroys Youth
h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=a5VgHeYWv2M
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
Your statement that CHRISTIAN contemporary rock music is of this world is entirely opinionated. As for the verse you chose let me show you the CONTEXT in which Apostle John is saying this. Let me start off by reading 1 John 4:3-4
"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and ha
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. 1Thessalonians 5:21,22
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
I feel so angry that problems such as this are separating us Christians. Christian Contemporary Rock IS NOT evil. Even the hymns you may sing have backgrounds in Celtic pagan worship. Even the pianos and violins you may use have backgrounds in atheistic ungodly practices. It is what is PUT FORTH from the music that matters. It's the MESSAGE being conveyed. The message that Jesus Christ died for our sins, He paid the price for us because of the love of God.. Stop changing things just because the
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
@thelastlonesurvivor Rock appeals to the flesh.
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1John 4:5,6
Abigail Sings Scripture Play List - h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/view_play_list?p=34B22E9C0526344F
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
Your molding your views into the Bible..
thelastlonesurvivor 6 months ago
Btw...Psalm 150 1Praise the Lord. Praise God in His sanctuary; praise him in His mighty heavens. 2Praise Him for His acts of power; praise Him for His surpassing Greatness. 3Praise Him with rhe sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and lyre, 4praise Him with tambourine and dancing, praise Him with the strings and flute, 5praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise Him with the resounding symbals. 6LET EVERYTHING THAT HAS BREATHE PRAISE THE LORD. Praise the Lord
Insanonymous 7 months ago
@Insanonymous Christian music is not meant for the unbeliever. It is meant for the Christian to praise God. If miniscule word shifts are present then it still praises God. If music was suppose to be what is in the white books in front of you in church then even Jesus singing with His apostles before passover were wrong in your eyes. Music evolves not by satans hand, but mans.
Insanonymous 7 months ago
Fundies... Christian music is christian music. Satan didn't make music God did. If a song praises God, the purpose of christian music, then it praises God. This guy is melding His fanatical views to show his false doctrine.
Insanonymous 7 months ago
@Insanonymous Thank you for identifying yourself.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1John 2:19
BereanBeacon1 7 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 This is suppose to mean I am less Christian? Thank you for expressing the fact that you bundle scripture that seems to fit your arguement, but was meant for an entirely different purpose. This passage addresses those who actually left the church, and turned against Jesus. When he says They would have remained he is saying if they were saved then they would have stayed, but since they weren't they left.
Insanonymous 7 months ago
So what is christen music? Dos it sound like country? Bluesy? Blue grass? What instruments? Piano? Acoustic guitar ? You can find all these things in the worlds music. So tell me someone what is a christen beat? If you know anything about music you know that there is a limited number of cords/riffs/beats/melodies. If you go back 1000 years your "church" music sounded like the worlds music at that time but you cling to tradition/bondage. I am free and I can worship God with instruments I like.
rpgdude2008 8 months ago
@rpgdude2008 Your "music" appeals to the flesh and is of the world.
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1John 4:5,6
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 I'm not arguing with you anymore BB. As far as I'm concerned you're a modern day Pharisee.
brendaokuda 7 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 You have no clue what I listen to and you still haven't answered my question.
All you'v done is attack me. Any thing you point to I can assure you has been used In "worldly" music Watch this"hymnal style music was first used in Celtic polytheism songs. Any drums where first used in tribal/pagan song. Piano's, violins and acoustic guitars all find there roots in classical. Ill ask again" What is christen music?" What do you listen to?
rpgdude2008 7 months ago
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@rpgdude2008 Abigail Sings Scripture Play List - h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/view_play_list?p=34B22E9C0526344F
BereanBeacon1 7 months ago
@rpgdude2008 Thus indicating that when we sing(not chant, rap, growl or scream, but SING), that we must do it with an UNDERSTANDING in order to edify and admonish another in the congregation and in order to be edified and admonished from it, any logical conclusion that first we should first be able to UNDERSTAND what we are singing about, or else, the form of music that brought out in Eph.5:19 and Col.3:16 will lose one of their main purposes which is to edify.
eph112joephil 7 months ago
@rpgdude2008 church and because of this I also want to point another verse in 1 Corinthians 14:15, and the whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 14 which was talking about where it says that all things are to be do unto edification of the congregation of believers where it comes to the conclusion in verse 13 where it says "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."
eph112joephil 7 months ago
@rpgdude2008 that out the music is to be of the spirit(or "spiritual"), and not a work or a parade of the flesh, therefore it is clear that Paul in context is teaching us that that music is not made to satisfy our personal desire and preferances and it is also not to be perfomance, entertainment and fleshly, chaoticly, orgasticly and ecspecially not eroticly oriented. But instead to be spiritual, and through this fostering true unity within a doctrinal stand and also edification in the
eph112joephil 7 months ago
@rpgdude2008 or please and satisfy the lust of the flesh or the desires of the mind. For example in Galations 5:16 it says: "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would." And yet since in both Ephesions 5:19 and Colosians 3:16
eph112joephil 7 months ago
@rpgdude2008 music that is to be used in the fellowship and the personal and public level of the true Believers which should truly reflect God's glory, beauty, holiness and order, and also should direct men to His holines and His ways(not the worlds). And yet the songs had to be spiritual, "spiritual": which means something that is diametrically oppossed to the flesh or anything that would draw attention from a fleshly parade that would appeal to,
eph112joephil 7 months ago
@rpgdude2008 has created only more problems), but in sence that it adresses what form of music we should be using and the purpose and context of how we use it, thus coming to the conclusion that there must be a great signifecance behind those passages, ecspecially when it speaks about the the use of psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. And putting this as a side note, using the criteria that I just went through concerning Colosians 3:16 and Ephesians 5:19 which brings about the
eph112joephil 7 months ago
@rpgdude2008 is when God says or brings out something two or more times in scripture(in the mouth of two or three witnesses), thus to come to the conclusian that God must be trully making a point in saying a statement several times to make a point in the book of Colosians 3 and Ephesians 5 which both are parrallel passages thus giving the indication that the use of psalms, hymns and spiritual songs must be very important, not in a sence that music is to become the emphisise(which can and
eph112joephil 7 months ago
@rpgdude2008 every word may be established." Now you problebly know and I know that in context of what that verse was talking about the confrontation about a fault between a brother and a another man that has commited a sin, but if that person does not admit to that sin, then bring two or three people with you to confront that person, and if that person don'tacknowledge his fault, then tell it to the church ect, ect... But another way to look ecspecially at this particular passage
eph112joephil 7 months ago
rpgdude2008 I know from where your coming from might excuse your detriment of the use of psalms, hymns and spiritual songs which is brought in Colosians 3:16 and Ephesians 5:19 which is also hinted at in 1 Corinthians 14:15 and James 5:13 and for this reason I also want to point and bring out the scripture where it says "that in the mouth of two or three witnesses
eph112joephil 7 months ago
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Insanonymous 7 months ago
The Bible says that in the last days His people will sing new songs! I thank God daily for the new music we have today that is so full of life & the Spirit of God!!! Please don't blame the Christian music of today for the rebellion in the hearts of our youth! Teenagers were drinking, doing drugs & having sex long before any of these groups were even born!! I believe that most of these groups are worshiping God with all there hearts & I support them 100%!
brendaokuda 8 months ago
@brendaokuda They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1John 4:5,6
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 Dear BereanBeacon1, I believe you need to read the verses preceeding 5 &6. I John 4: 2 "Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God," I believe that as long as we worship God "in spirit & in truth" He doesn't care if we use a piano or electric guitar. From what you say we should only sing Psalms & Jewish worship songs. The Methodist & Baptist songs weren't created for 100's of yrs after Christ's resurrection, so not sanctioned by God.
brendaokuda 8 months ago
@brendaokuda Ephesians 5:18-20 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody
in your heart to the Lord; Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father
in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
eph112joephil 7 months ago
@brendaokuda Colossians 3:16-17 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
eph112joephil 7 months ago
David wilkerson'about five years ago I became dishearted when many pasters opened up their churches to rock concerts. teenagers went wild,dancing in aisles, and went straght out of church into backseats of cars for sex. parents wrote me brokenhearted saying,"My teenager was on fire for God,until our paster and the youth paster brought in these wild groups, he is backslidden,and I lost my son, he got an appetite for occult music right in our own church..."'
eph112joephil 10 months ago
Galatians 6:7-8Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.2 Timothy 2:22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
eph112joephil 10 months ago
1 Corinthians 10:20-22But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot bepartakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
eph112joephil 10 months ago
Little Richard“Rock'n roll doesn't glorify God. You can't drink out of God's cup and the devil's cup at the same time. I was one of the pioneers of that music, one of the builders. I know what the blocks are made of because I built them”
eph112joephil 10 months ago
2 Corinthians 5:17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Colossians 3:15-17
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
eph112joephil 10 months ago
12 Some of you say, "We can do anything we want to." But I tell you that not everything is good for us. So I refuse to let anything have power over me.
1 Corinthians 6:12 (CEV) Ver.
Yusha1965 10 months ago
that dang rock and or rolllllll... music. Listen, I dont like [most] contemporary Christian music anymore than this guy, but thats because its void of any and all talent (the bible says play skillyfully for the Lord, right?) You have so many rules mister, and i wonder if you truly know the joy of the Lord. Dancing before the Lord. Your testimony is lame by the way, thanks a lot boring baptist guy. Bill Monroe would shake his head at ya haha.
MandolinforJesus 11 months ago
u r money hungry that stuff u r selling is nothing more than playing on peoples problems i hope u r giving that stuff to people then let them pay what they think it is worth u will have to face your judgment one day
Camme1432 1 year ago
@Camme1432 This is for you.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1John 2:19
BereanBeacon1 1 year ago
where does it say in the bible the words should be easy to understand u r wrong wrong wrong very closed minded
Camme1432 1 year ago
Alan went into Rock 'n Roll with all the wrong motives. When God's Spirit convicts us of our fruitless motives, we tend to remove those things from our lives and search for the right motives in our heart that pleases God.
Christian music, in all of it's forms and genre's, are very distinct from the world's music because of the direction of worship, the mention of Jesus Christ and the accompaniment of the melody.
Alan, is taking these verses out of context.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
Alan went into rock n' roll before he knew Christ. That's a BIG difference. Remember we must worship not only in spirit, BUT... also in TRUTH. These verses he uses are used in context.
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - I understand that Alan went into Rock 'n Roll for the wrong motives before he knew Christ but that doesn't mean that a person cannot go into Christian Rock after coming to Christ for the right motives. That is, to lead others into praise and worship, to witness to others, preach the Gospel and give testimony in lyrics and in life.
The verses he is using are not referring specifically to music but to unknown languages (tongues). Besides, music changes over time.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
How can you use the music of this world to reach the world? Should't Christians have a different type of song in there mouth? Not just in lyrics but in style as well?
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - You don't use the music of the world, you use Christian music. There is a different song in the mouths of Christians today.
What does the style have to do with it?
What kind of songs are you listening too?
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
The style has everything to do with it. The Bible says. "And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." Psalm 40:3
This was spoken of after the psalmist was "brought up out of an horrible pit" (bondage to sin).
Music in the church should be Psalms, Hymns and Spiritual Songs (Eph. 5:19, Col. 3:16) because music to the "new man" (Eph. 4:24) should be unspotted from the world (Ja. 1:27).
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - I agree that the songs that should be used to lead us into worship should be from the result of the new life we have found in Christ. However, you still haven’t answered my question. Why does the style of music make a difference? Why can’t I praise God to spiritual songs such as “Everlasting God” by Lincoln Brewster or “Jesus Saves” by Jeremy Camp? Who gets to say what is a “hymn” or “psalm?”
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
The word "spiritual" implies the opposite of carnal (look up the greek in a Strong's concordance). Since CCM and music of that realm evokes the use of rock/pop music, (the music of Michael Jackson, Madonna, Lady gaga Brittany Spears) The music that we as Christians use should not reflect there carnal pop culture of the minute, but rather reflect the timeless nature of God.
Let me ask you, do you think music is a moral issue?
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - Yes, I understand what "carnal" means; it means of fleshly or sensual nature. However, where does it say in the bible that music is carnal or fleshly?
Just because secular music sounds a certain way does not mean that we cannot use it. The Romans used a crucifix to kill the worst criminals but the cross is now in thousands of churches today & on the necks of Christians worldwide. Should we ban the cross because it was once a pagan instrument of death and torture?
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@tjhammond - I believe music is amoral. It can be used for good and for evil.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
If you believe music is amoral than you cannot believe that it can be used for good or evil, it's just there if it is amoral
tjhammond 1 year ago
Well, the cross in our culture is associated with Christ, because he died on the cross. Now, since we agree that the cross of Christ has a pro-Christian meaning, it can be said that rock music has a anti-Christian meaning. And since rock music is utterly carnal, we as Christians should not listen to it.
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - Yes, and Christian music in our culture is associated with Christ as well. No, we cannot say that "it can be said that rock music has a anti-Christian meaning." Thats your opinion, not fact. Rock music is NOT carnal; sexual explicit movies, pornography, lust, skin tight jeans, naked woman are "carnal." Evidently you are confused on the definition of what carnal means. Music is not carnal, it is amoral. It is a medium, a mode of communication.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
What about the phrase "Sex, Drugs and Rock n' Roll? Have you studied the history of rock music? Do you know that the term "rock-n-roll" is a euphemism for sex? Go to history-of-rock. com and read for yourself. What I am saying concerning amoral is any art created by man has the influence of that person, and thus is either moral or immoral.
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - I know the history of Rock ‘n Roll. I really don’t care about its origins. Why? I already gave you this example; remember the Roman instrument of death called a crucifix or cross? Regardless of the history, purpose and origin, God used this pagan death & torture device to kill His Son to save us from our sins. Regardless of the origin of Rock ‘n Roll, Christians take from the heathens and use it for a better purpose; that is to worship & glorify God.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
The cross is equatable to music generically, but rock music is in general debased and is not suitable for worship. The cross was not a work of art. The cross as an object would be more equatable to a guillotine, the gallows or the electric chair. God on the other hand does not use immoral things to express the sacred. Christians have not "taken back rock music, rock music is using Christians. The majority of CCM bands are owned secularly
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - Why did Jesus say that Christians must be baptized? Can baptism save you? No, the reason is because the Israelites were familiar with the custom because it was tradition in Judaism. The Gentiles were familiar with baptism because of pagan rituals using bull’s blood to cleanse you for eternal life. You see, God uses what people know to glorify Him. As Christians living in today’s age, we are free to do the same.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
Really? God in His sovereign will rooted baptism in paganism? LOL
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond
Remember God first did animal sacrifice for Adam. Considering he was the first man, I would say that baptism has no such pagan roots.
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - Now, you are reaching far my friend. Yes, God was the first to do an animal “sacrifice” for man but Genesis never mentions that God baptized Adam and Eve or immersed them in blood or water. A sacrifice is not immersion in fluids such as water or bull’s blood. A sacrifice is merely the killing of an animal and the shedding (removal) of blood. Again, using things like, “I would say that baptism has no such pagan roots” is your opinion.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
Baptism is symbolic of Christ's death just as the sacrifice of the animal is symbolic of Christ's death.
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - Again, animal sacrifice’s were for the covering of sins. Romans 3:25 – “For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. ”
Therefore, the animal sacrifices in the OT were symbolic of His death covering our sins.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@tjhammond - Romans 6:4 - “For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.”
The water baptism is symbolic of His burial and resurrection and our spiritual death and resurrection in our new life in Christ.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@tjhammond - Yes, so now you understand that Christians have taken back Rock music and have created the influence of Christ which is moral. Music in general is amoral but what you do with is what makes it moral or immoral. Since, we have the mind of Christ and know that all things are permissible; Rock music can do good, just as it can do evil.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@tjhammond - Christians who worship God with CCM are not stubborn; we are free from religiosity, man-made rules, church-made regulations and the Mosaic Law. I am living a victorious life in Christ, regardless of the music I choose to listen too. Music is not sinful; it is not evil; it is not a crime; it is not listed as one of the Ten Commandments.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
Sounds to me like anarchy. Tell me, where does it say in the Bible that we can imitate the immoral things of the world and call it Christian if Christians do it? Book Chapter & Verse
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - First of all, it must be determined what is immoral and what is not. The rule for that is found in the bible. Unfortunately for you, the bible never mentions that music is immoral. It’s only your opinion that music is a morality issue. Again, you don't seem to understand that music in its natural form is not immoral; it is amoral; that means that music is neutral, just like art and languages.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@tjhammond - A piano does not sin. A pipe organ does not sin. A drum does not sin. A guitar cannot sin. Immorality is the result of sin. If the thing cannot sin, it cannot be immoral. Only when immoral people create an immoral thing out of an amoral thing can it be called immoral. However, in its natural state music is neutral and it cannot be an immoral thing unless manipulated by immorality for immoral purposes. It’s just common sense.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@tjhammond - Your logic seems to suggest that because the world has something immoral like Rock music, then if Christians use Rock music, then it’s still immoral, right? Thus, by your own logic, since the internet is full of pornography and Christians use the internet, then Christians must be immoral also, right? So, by your own admission you are guilty and are a hypocrite. Doesn’t make sense does it?
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
My logic says that that the idea of the internet is is amoral. But, if someone said they were producing Christian porn I would say that that is still immoral even though they claim that they are doing it in the right spirit.
I have not condemned all music. All I've said is that there is good music and bad music.
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - Okay, I agree that the idea of the internet is amoral and that “if someone said they were producing Christian porn I would say that that is still immoral even though they claim that they are doing it in the right spirit.” There’s no argument there. However, that wasn’t my point but I understand that was yours. Yes, we agree there is good music and bad music, no argument there.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@tjhammond - How do we determine the immorality in music? By the lyrics, the message and the intent! How do we determine the morality in music? By the lyrics, the message and the intent! The style of music is irrelevant because if it were all about the “style” then we are all doomed because Jesus forgot to tell the church what “style” of music to play in church!
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
How to determine immorality in music:
1. Does the secular world think of it as music of rebellion?
2. Does the secular world associate it with sex?
3. Does this music exemplify separation from the world?
These are just a few ideas.
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - I’m not sure why you asked those 3 questions. I really don’t care what the secular world thinks.
Look, there seems to be some miscommunication between and apparently some information is not getting through.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@tjhammond - I have your other comments on my email but it looks like they didn’t show up on the video. So, I will not comment on them.
I understand your position. You believe that music in its natural form is amoral but when Rock music is created, it becomes immoral, right?
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@tjhammond - There is nothing wrong with music, regardless of its style. It is the lyrics alone that make the difference, not the music. If it were the opposite then David would have written down the musical notes instead of the words in Psalms. The music is not as important as the heart & the words behind it. If you are more focused upon the music and not the motive for worship, then you need to re-examine yourself.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
@MartyJSwizzle
Brahms Beethoven Bach Luther Wesley and I would disagree with you on this statement. David was a musician, he probably had specific music to be played to the psalms, but such time has passed that we probably wouldn't be able to figure out what the notation meant even if it were found today.
Again, John 4:24 worship in SPIRIT and in TRUTH.
God seeks these types of people to worship Him.
tjhammond 1 year ago
@tjhammond - If you don't like worshipping Christ with CCM, then you probably shouldn't. But, If I choose to listen to it and praise and worship God with it, it's none of your business. Who are you to judge me? My salvation does not depend upon what style of music I choose to worship God with. Am I going to hell because I worshiped God with CCM? No, my salvation depends upon my faith in Christ.
Besides, God is looking at my motives, my heart and my devotion to Him, not the style of music.
MartyJSwizzle 1 year ago
Remember King Saul? He wanted to worship God his own way. He offered a sacrifice instead of waiting for Samuel to do it (I Sam. 15) Samuel rebuked him: "Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice" and because of that Saul lost his kingship. Now, I believe Saul is in heaven and I can explain of you want; but because of Saul's stubborness, he did not receive God's best. You could be living a much more victorious Christian life you surrender your musical choices to His will.
tjhammond 1 year ago
clear and precise!
neufeldt1000 1 year ago
This is silly. I guess Bach's Jesu, Joy of Mans Desiring is bad?
vesperus1981 1 year ago
HI, Who is the speaker and what is the ministry called? I would like to purchase the messages mentioned at the end and also would like more info on godly christian music. This has been a personal struggle of mine. God Bless You!
sonofmyrighthandbjh 1 year ago
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Given just how many people have testimonies of going away from the paths of suicide and Satanism due to music such as August Burns Red, For Today, etc (all very heavycore bands), HOW DARE YOU claim that these are "Of the Devil"! You shall judge the music by it's fruit... and so you have to look at the fruit of the music. Salvation in Jesus Christ's name has come from the music you curse. I have seen before my very eyes lives changed through this "Satan music." I pray revelation right now to you
IPostMeanly 1 year ago
Given just how many people have testimonies of going away from the paths of suicide and Satanism due to music such as August Burns Red, For Today, etc (all very heavycore bands), HOW DARE YOU claim that these are "Of the Devil"! You shall judge the music by it's fruit... and so you have to look at the fruit of the music. Salvation in Jesus Christ's name has come from the music you curse. I have seen before my very eyes lives changed through this "Satan music." I pray revelation right now to you
IPostMeanly 1 year ago 2
you guys. If you would just try to get something out of message, you might be able to change your life. Who cares about the punctuation. Learn something from the message then help the man with his writing. If nothing else, discuss punctuation errors while the 2 of sit with Jesus at the throne of God.
Michael5191949 1 year ago 2
IS THIS CHRISTIAN??
Check out christianrocklyrics (dot) com AND christianrocklyrics (dot) com/demonhunter (dot) php
"Dead Poetic is a Christian hard rock band hailing from Dayton, Ohio. They are currently signed to Tooth & Nail Records and have performed at the CORNERSTONE Festival in Bushnell, Illinois. Their third album, VICES was released HALLOWEEN of 2006."
PLEASE, PARENTS, NOT ALL THAT GLITTERS IS GOLD!!
Thus, NOT ALL THAT CLAIMS TO BE CHRISTIAN IS CHRISTIAN!! It sells, and that is all!
RainhadoCanto4 1 year ago
Do ppl actually believe in this nonsense in this day and age? God? Are you kidding me? Do ppl still believe in santa claus as well? If you have an imaginary friend - grow up! If this half-wit wasn't an indoctrinated cretin he would have been able to get much enjoyment out of music. Instead he wastes his life devoting it to a myth. Pathetic.
TheStrangeRanger 1 year ago
@TheStrangeRanger
Proverb 1:7 (King James Bible)
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 14:6 (King James Bibie)
6 A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.
RainhadoCanto4 1 year ago
@RainhadoCanto4 Quoting from your book of fairy tales is weak and pathetic. I don't believe in your imaginary friend so your silly book means nothing to me. Understand?
TheStrangeRanger 1 year ago
@TheStrangeRanger
Ha Ha Ha! Well, then how about this one?
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.- Abraham Lincoln
It suits you to a T!!
RainhadoCanto4 1 year ago
@RainhadoCanto4 You're the one with the imaginary friend. Not me. Therefore you're the fool. I have 4 degrees, including a Ph.D. You, on the other hand, are dumber than a bucket of wet hair. If you have some evidence of your imaginary friend then let's see it. Otherwise you're the idiot making absurd claims with no evidence to back them. Fool!
TheStrangeRanger 1 year ago
@TheStrangeRanger
HA HA HA!! A PhD that any High School graduate can get!!
Maybe that is why they refer to it as "Pile it Higher and Deeper!!"
And they are not talking papers, either!! Ha Ha Ha!
Also suits you like a T!
As for my God, He lives in me!! I see proof of Him the minute I open my eyes and look around me, and feast on the beautiful world He has created, and the sheer WONDERS He has wrought in me!
Only BLIND fools can't see this!! And, did you say that was YOU?
RainhadoCanto4 1 year ago
@RainhadoCanto4 So god lives in you and the proof is in your mirror? Wow. Have you considered anti-psychotic medication?
TheStrangeRanger 1 year ago
@RainhadoCanto4 Since you think god lives inside you I guess it should'nt be too hard for you to pop over here and walk across my swimming pool. Then I'll believe you. Until then you're just another brain-dead, delusional, brainwashed, indoctrinated, half-wit.
TheStrangeRanger 1 year ago
@TheStrangeRanger
Oh! No! I need not a mirror to know that He is my heart!!
You are pretty foolish to think that I could pop over there just for knowing God is my CREATOR!
But, I am certain that by the way you seem to be riled-up, should you look in the mirror you would see a brain-dead, delusional, brainwashed, indoctrinated, A WHOLE NIT-WIT, for you are a follower of a religion that believes YOU CAME FROM NOTHING!!
AND YOU SERVE AS ITS POSTER CHILD!!
AND DO A VERY GOOD JOB, TOO!
RainhadoCanto4 1 year ago
@RainhadoCanto4 So now god is in your heart? That doesn't prove anything. Where is the proof of your imaginary friend? And what religion do I belong to that claims man came from nothing? That's just more evidence you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just a robot. You've been programmed to believe in a fairy tale. A fairy tale that controls you like a good little robot. Get an education.
TheStrangeRanger 1 year ago
@TheStrangeRanger
HA HA HA HA!! You are hilarious!! For your information, I have an education, but I need not boast of it like you who, quite visibly, have an inferiority complex, who even has to announce you have a swimming pool!! How tacky!!
And, if you don't believe in God, you are an Atheist!! Gee, just how much intelligence can something that came from nothing possess?! Not much!! If anything,
I know I have a CREATOR!! You, on the other hand, were the ACCIDENTAL result of a "bang!"
RainhadoCanto4 1 year ago
@RainhadoCanto4 You claim to have an education but you called me an "a-whole?" Right. Clearly you're just another religious cretin. And the only reason I mentioned my pool is because I challenged your god to walk on water. It's obvious you're not smart enough to grasp simple concepts. Nevermind advanced thinking. You're just another brainwashed half-wit. You're much too uneducated and puerile to bother with.
TheStrangeRanger 1 year ago
@TheStrangeRanger
Your parents should demand their money back for the SUPPOSED education you got, of which you don't seem to be able to cease to brag, for you PROVE to not have it: "...bother with." ?
YOU END A SENTENCE WITH A PREPOSITION??!!
UTTERLY DISGUSTING!!
YOU ARE NO MORE THAN AN IMPOSTOR!! HA HA HA!!
RainhadoCanto4 1 year ago
@RainhadoCanto4 I rest my case. Everytime you comment you prove the ignorance and hypocrisy of xtianity. Keep it up! You're a great example of how nuts the religious are.
TheStrangeRanger 1 year ago
@TheStrangeRanger
It is time your rested your case, for you have not one!!
You have proven to yourself that you are no match for me!!
Thus, you resort to the HYPOCRISY of claiming that I am not Christian, because it is I can deal with the low-lives such as you!!
For that is just what you are!! An amoeba is capable of more wit than you!! You are dull and dumb, and do no more than repeat yourself, boasting of a non-existent education which you can't even prove in your writing!!
RainhadoCanto4 1 year ago
@RainhadoCanto4 I can see this is pointless. You have a reading comprehension problem. I didn't say you weren't a xtian. I said you are a hypocrite. All xtians are hypocrites. When you look up the word xtian in the dictionary is should say "hypocrite." The fact that you are calling me names proves you're a hypocrite. I'm sure you're not smart enough to get that though.
TheStrangeRanger 1 year ago
@TheStrangeRanger
@TheStrangeRanger
HA HA HA!! Again!! Here the "education" being shown for what it is!! Ending a sentence with a preposition!! YOU ARE A DIMWIT!!
It is YOU who lack English comprehension: if you call someone a hypocrite when mentioning Christianity, it is inferred that CHRISTIAN IT IS THAT THEY ARE, NITWIT!!
YOU HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN TO TEACH ME ANY ENGLISH, YOU MORON!! And, even then, I doubt you'd learn much!
RainhadoCanto4 1 year ago
@TheStrangeRanger
Come to think of it, I did not call you an "a-whole" before, although it fits you well! Do wear it!! But, please, do remove the "w". Obviously, you can't spell, either!!
RainhadoCanto4 1 year ago