I saw a cross in the trees once... Yeah, it was at a beautiful campsite way back in (if you'll pardon the expression) God's country. Somebody had decided that the beauty of that natural setting wasn't enough--it needed a GIANT cross GOUGED so deeply into the tree, it bled its sap. Please pardon the horrible tongue-in-cheek, Mr. Phil, but unfortunately, I have seen a cross in the trees... :(
@Silkfox :D My kitty is a vicious killer, but she always brings me dead animals cuz she's all like "Hey, look what I did, aren't you proud of me" so I always pet her and give her a treat :)
Sorry phil but your critique if Anarchism falls short.
I don't understand the plea that an Anarchist society would be 'inviting hell on earth' because of a lack of 'control'. There is a control, your fellow human being. The essential thesis behind anarchism is that society can be constructive in nature. A constructive society employs natural restrictions (how does murder/theft help the community?) on the average nonviolent person. Violent cases can be dealt with through community security.
So now you think you know everything? This is why there are things that are just not meant to be understood. You still don't know how inferior the human mind/brain is, trying to understand the unattainable, very well, if you manage one day to hit 70% of your brain power you tell me
it boils down to faith...intelect doesn't have to mean your godless,i mean mybe the bible is not all correct,but i know some being/beings must be behind all of this.and untill something better comes,am sticking with the good old bible. becouse the choise is to have something or have nothing with athism and i chosse to have the bible becouse that's all we have for the time being ...
@ghostthehostwithmost I wasn't mocking you. I meant what I said. Perhaps you HAVE to interpret it as mockery to avoid the fact that someone genuinely sees your viewpoint as, in some sense "tragic", a waste.
"...all we have."
So much to learn, see and experience, and "all" you have is one book. Intellectually, it's like only ever going on one LONG holiday abroad and never leaving your hotel room. If there is a creator, this life may be all they COULD give. Better to face that now than "later".
@punnet2 that's the thing my friend people think that it's about the books and/or deffrent religions but it's about "faith" in god no matter what you choose to call him.to answer your question i settled for the bible after being born a chatholic becoming an athiist and finding the real truth that god is faith and the "devil"is dought...but this are my personal reasons find out your own without dought or following others
@ghostthehostwithmost Well I was raised catholic, became atheist and...stayed atheist. You neglected to explain precisely why you settled on the bible, unless it's simply because you were raised catholic, and being raised in another faith would have led you to settle on something other than the bible.
@ghostthehostwithmost Theres the Qur'an the torah the book or mormon the norse myths and billions of other books that are matchable with your mythology book.
@ghostthehostwithmost The bible is all we have for the time being, are you serious? You want a list of great philosophers, historians, poets, scientists and the their respective works.
Now, I don't know if anyone will agree with this but I think Jack has the makings of an atheist! I say this bcuz I see his confusion, his struggles as rational ones, deep within. He'll start to think about them, then block them! His denial and fear is what made and keeps him a theist.
Maybe if he read the OT, seeing Yahweh as a human tyrant instead of an all powerful ghost, maybe that'd do it. It was one thing that helped me.
Bottom line; It wasn't until I got honest with me, that changed it all
While I'm not arguing. I think you make a good point and I applaud it. There is one thing I'd like you to imagine, the thing I was imagining when making the remark you question...
Imagine waking up tomorrow and all the other humans are gone, and you KNOW there are none left, and nothing can bring them back.
I'm not sure how long I'd last, if you get what I'm saying.
But yes, there are things to die for, and be content.
I agree with you on everything you said except for one issue.
Just for your information, and I mean no disrespect by this, there is a cross in the sky.
It is the "Crux"(also commonly called the "southern cross") constellation. Crux is Latin for "Cross."
It is a small constellation but it has significance according to Asharia S.
Her work suggests that the myth of Jesus is entirely astrological in origin. The first 45 minutes the Zeitgeist Movie pretty much spells out her claims.
Each 3 secons 1 kid died in africa of hunger, thats more than enough to dont belibe in god, i cant stand that cruelty, can any of you? (i dout it, but for some of you its gods will)
I disagree with the idea that atheism can't give you peace.
It was only after I became and atheist and realized that this life wasn't some great big test that I was truly at peace with myself.
I don't chase imaginary rewards or fear imaginary punishments. That's enormously peaceful.
I also lost all fear of death (in the sense of wondering/quavering about what comes next, not in the sense of not want to live healthily as long as possible).
It is absurd to believe that "hope" is the sole possession of christianity. The ancient pre-Christian peoples' religions also offered the brand of "hope" of which you speak. How can you just blatantly (or conveniently) disregard this fact?
Christians have certainly shown a LOT of compassion in the past: the fires of Smithfield, the Inquisition, the execution of "witches" are fine examples of christian compassion, aren't they?
If I recall corectly Jack suffers from a condition that doesn't allow him to stay focused for too much time (he talked about something like falling asleep at the office because of this condition).
Just think about it. An intelectual has thought about what rationality is only after he have seen phil's video. And all he came up was a circular definition.
Have you noticed that you take compassion for granted. What I mean by that is you think it's obvious that we should all have compassion (by some higher standard?).
I'm referencing 7:58 when you say your hope is with humanity to rise above our nature, "better than our past".
Do you realize your "hope" is a concept borrowed from Christianity?
Stormtrek - I suppose you deserve som formal notification. I think you're a dishonest dickhead whom I shall be ignoring for the rest of your life.
The points you raise are ALWAYS from the "smokescreen" class. They have been answered, many times. That you can say hope is a Christian concept, and, presumably, anyone with hope owes it to Christianity, makes me want to throw up. You're just a bad smell.
philhellenes said: I think you're a dishonest dickhead whom I shall be ignoring for the rest of your life.
What a way to treat someone who had the patience to bring some intellectual discourse to your channel. It seems that you are really only seeking praise from the choir.
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You didnt even bother to respond to his actual point, which was: What's borrowed from Christianity is the concept of the moral standard by which we can say one moral act is better than another. You chose to build a strawman from his argument and respond to that instead. You do exactly what you accuse Jack of doing, and yet you seem to get mindless praise from your choir nonetheless. It is clear to me why many Christians dont even bother commenting on your channel.
go on big phill stick it till them fucking beleivers, 'I saw the light , I saw the light praise the lord I saw the light' every morning with the coming of the sun hehehehe yummy
Phil, you would make the most amazing professor. These logs are more engaging than every seminar I've ever sat through. It's ridiculous that everyone, especially (and ironically) in academic settings, is afraid to express these beliefs.
Agreed with almost everything you said except: Anarchy is not lawlessness it is statelessness, From my perspective "natural law" with any resemblances of positive law pertaining only to those who entered mutually into a contract, enforced through competing private vs state monopolized institutions.
Every time I hear an atheist suggest anarchy would bringing a hell on earth I think to myself, So we don't need a God threating us to be moral we just need a state threating us.
Seriously phil, especially from 4:00 great stuff, your mindset seems very similar to mine and i can relate to what you said in the fullest. Great stuff phil.
I'm full of hope and love, but I don't believe in science and I don't believe in human nature either. these are both as farcical as religion, science suffers peer review which means you judge the person instead of the info, and human nature is the nature of me, I am human and my nature is to love, if everyone took that one on board I'd believe in it, right now it's not human nature, but as you rightly say, the ability to reason, unfortunately not used by most. I'm not an intellectual. Love.
"science suffers peer review which means you judge the person instead of the info"
No, you got that absolutely backwards, peer review is review of the data from experimentation and theories presupposing for future experimentation connecting the data by many "peers" in the equivalent field of study, for their proof's merit **despite** who that person is. They approach their publications *critically*, who they are is of no concern, the only concern is whether or not that peer's data holds water.
Thats how peer review is "supposed" to happen, unfortunately, in reality it is not the case. Anyone from outside the scientific community is discredited if they don't hold the degrees that the scientific community recognizes and often if they question what science has deemed established fact. Science todaty is looking more and more like the church of old. Google. ooparts and see a myriad of artifacts that have been found which threaten the status quo and just don't get seen.
Demonstrating love for you from Philly!! It always makes my day when I see a new vid from you. I'm NOT an intellectual...Just an ex-christian who found my way to atheism by studying the bible at an Assembly of God college. (A great path to atheism, also, I must say!) You have a wonderful way of articulating what I want to say....but you do so much better than I ever could. Love your vids...Love you!
onanonbeliever thats why u need 2 read the Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth or simply the BIBLE "and anyones name who wasent found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire,this is the 2nd death"-i suposed i scared no athiest with that one, but what if its true? dont think that until u seek god acually
Where do they all come from? WHERE???? Robots for the LARD. They get trained by the same dogma school, wound up and set off to march with their four or five canned replies.
someone cannot believe in the bible or god unless they have an acual born again expereince,and theres many that accept atheism because they dont want to do the extra work of acually tryin to search for faith and draw close to god to see if god is real. the bible says, "draw close to god and god will draw close to you" and yes this is true to someone who hasa born again expereince.this is the holy spirit coming on to someone and causeing this to understand the words of god!turnorburnhasnoeffect
what was your "actual born again experience"? i take it that you are a born again christian. how did you find your faith? what is faith? faith to me is like telling myself that Elvis is still alive or that i will win the lottery. to base your whole life on this faith thing that may or may not be is a bit sad. i feel scared for you. something really bad must have happened to you for you to be believing in something like the bible.
i feel the moment i believed i had a born again expereince. i smoked cigertes at the time and always heard many say its difficult to quit on there own and they used nicoten patches which acually didnt help because a in small time they were smoking again. well through praying and bible reading,even though at 1st i didnt understand the bible i kept reading,as i did this i found myself believing in god and seeing things god wanted me to see the more i tried to understand the bible.the more my
and the more i prayed the more i found myself wanting to acually not desire smoking or anything that will destroy me. and evenually through time and persecution from god i found my self not smoking ,without using nicotine gum or patches.god delivered me! and thats why its important for many smokers to here the message of salvation,as they may not only quit smoking but have the life god gave them transformed into abunance and good health and morally the right way of living.
One day, maybe, just maybe, you'll be walking down the street, alone. It'll be dark, very dark. You might be slightly drunk. Maybe not. You'll definitely be in a good mood and content. And you might look up, accidentally, at the stars.
And it might be just like seeing the stars for the very first time. The world will seem to go very quiet...
You might get it then. It's nice to go exploring what is actually known and how we know it. It's like FINALLY stuff makes sense. It feels...better. ;)
hi.started off sounding like a rape tale at first, but youre right it will definitely be alone if im to do that - im not good around people..
sounds like astronomy... I'm fascinated by space and what's out there beyond this dumpsite planet.. but the style or method of which science uses of getting knowledge about space is slow, complex and mathematically put, and isn't very exciting to me...
whether it makes sense or not is another thing, though i dont doubt that it does make lots of sense..
but that said.. biology is tedious (maybe its just the way its taught in schools thats given it a bad rep).. and chemistry is even worse.. im not the best at taking things in and understanding them quickly.. but im no clueless idiot either.. i can learn about things that dont interest me.. but its very hard to take it in
Well, astronomy it is for you! That IS science! My favourite part. That's what got me into science. Nobody is drawn to all fields. One is fine, and can make the others a bit more interesting, like astronomy can touch on physics and chemistry, show how it all connects and fits.
But something you MUST remember, if you hate maths, trust me, I hate it FAR more! You do NOT need maths to grasp concepts, only imagination. NONE of the books listed on my page have equations (I wouldn't understand them.)
i bet god is working through u right know,thats why u replyed with this 10:55 minute video,god is convicting ur heart and ur in challenge mode to be test on ur faith to find out how real god is,oh and when god reveals himself to u ,not by site of vision,but by site of the spirit and expereince u will wake up 4rom the nonbelief sleep ur under& what devil has many under and ull acaully give ur own testamony of faith,just wait and see,u cant escape once god is in urlife working faith.dont resist
I just watched a cartoon of The Emperors New Cloths that you mentioned -- what a great comparison, thank you. The JW's make massive amounts of material with many references to other publications to give the follower the illusion of a deep education. I like to research the direct control mechanisms that are unique to the various other religions. I think if people become aware of these then they can make a sound decision on what believe.
I see TogetherForPeace is still at it! What amazes me is how, from what he says, you'd get the impression that he has never watched an atheist rebuttal to the these claims, although clearly he has. Is he really that dense or is he just deliberately feigning ignorance--perhaps hoping to impress the gullible and truly ignorant? Am I being too sinister in assessing his motives?
you know, i bilieve in god but just not as the bible(or any other religius book) descrives it.
i bilieve that god existed or exists, but he does not perform miracles, the only miracle that he performs is the miracle of gravity, the miracle of any kind of energy, i have the idea that he is, in fact the natural laws.
who said god is good in my head we are just another grain of sand in hes large sad box.
As you see i bilieve in god, yet i have no hope in him.
i particularly object to theists acusing atheists of lacking an explanation for the material universe. lets face it if the universe was a car thier explanation for how it came into existence would amount to some guy did it. in other words no explanation. they have no answeres for the questions they ask but more often than not they sneer at real explanations such as evolution. stating an answere does not justify the causality rather it is the other way round. nice video phill.
I agree with you on "they appear logical and sane in a work environment etc, but I used to be a Jehovah's Witness before becoming an Atheist and I would say that when I look back at how I used to believe it was as if it was the only belief. It was so engrained that no one could of told me otherwise. One interesting thing to me is that I was not allowed to research anything else outside of the religious magazines etc because it was considered demonized. I wonder if other religions do this to?
its comon practice in many churches. where its not religeon tends to have a more liberal face such as some of the c of e churches. its barly noticable that god is involved at all in some of those congregations apparently.
Hats of to that man. I wonder if jack has ever read any philosophy, if so it obviously did not register, so if you see this Jack, I would recomend you start with Neitzsche, either 'Beyond Good and Evil' or 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra'. May God have mercy on our souls, lol.
Oh the embarrassment. I meant "sea shell" trick. I think I got confused with the "egg cup" trick, which is the same thing. Three cups or shells and a pea, and a bit of slight of hand. Now you see it, now you don't. A good conman can beat you almost every time by misdirection.
I'll never forgive you all for the way some American hosts of mine in the past have looked at me whenever I said the word "tomato". I switched to calling them "red things". It didn't help. :)
And I watched you do it, Nathan. And it was a reason I hesitated before doing this response. But when all is said and done I argue with most people who are manifestly wrong within my earshot (ask a VERY close friend of mine who only a few weeks ago started a conversation in a bar about the moon-landings being faked).
Sometimes, I just can't help myself. We don't have to argue with every theist over every video but sometimes I'm just "in the mood". And we know what happens if we stay silent. :)
It somewhat horrifies knowing that so many atheists on youtube are also libertarians or anarcho-capitalists. I really try (at least, I think I try) to understand where they're coming from but they continue to puzzle me.
My pleasure. I was hoping to get a reply from Jack but he's had something of a "tsunami" of responses to his latest bit of "wisdom" so I'll have to forgive him if he concentrates on not drowning. :)
I prefer to think, not of emotions, but in terms of instincts. We already repress our instincts, say, on a packed train when our instincts don't want someone standing so close, or when we resist the urge to urinate in the street. Repressing instincts is the whole reason we have civilizations. Instead of repression I'd suggest understanding. When you understand where an instinct comes from it loses much of its power to make you do stupid things. Religion prevents such understanding.
I think that even more than simple suppression of instinct, it's more in knowing which to suppress and which to allow. To rationally segregate bad instincts from good ones and act on that rationale. I think thats whats important to move toward. I very much agree that belief that is direct contradiction with reality is dangerous and inhibits our ability to grow. Just my $0.02 ;-)
I see the JackHamster has started running in its wheel again. Did he actually mention those scientists at the start? Did he not see my Name Drop Poker video? Anyway. Great vid.
To be fair (and I DO try) no, Jack didn't mention any scientists. I was trying to pre-empt any such list as a counter argument that some EXTREMELY rational and highly intelligent scientists of the past have been Christian (a common tactic, as you know) by showing that they didn't have all the information that we do today. Didn't want Jack to waste his time. :)
I especially liked the flashlight analogy. I think I've heard something like it before but I was drawn to the concise precision of your usage. Once again another very nice video.
One question though. Why do you suppose Jack (and people like him) continue to flat out lie about the position of non-belief even after they have been corrected dozens of times? Why do they not simply discuss reasons they disagree with us rather than simply misrepresent us? So irritating.
My font or something is fucked up.. or something.. because I can't see what symbols you put, instead weird boxes pop up saying BCI4 and BCF4. Oh well.
Many non-human animals are about 50 billion times more loving than about 90% of humans, so I strongly disagree with that idea you finished at about 9:30 in.
"Human beings are the only things that make life worth living."
Are you sure that's wrong? Since the concepts of worth and value would, as far as we yet know, be absent or very much diminished in this universe without their inventors in humanity, it would seem that human beings are the only things that can make anything worth anything.
Also - I disagree with your numbers... Can you get me your literature on the 50 billion figure? :)
I think animals find their lives to be of worth, otherwise they'd just lay down and let you kill them. Also, my dogs find meaty bones to be of worth, otherwise they wouldn't hoard them away from each other and get super defensive.
What if there are aliens 50 billion times more intelligent than us?? That would make our lives worth about as much to them as a turkey's life is to you.
Oh, and keep getting really anal about me throwing numbers around, it makes me think much harder when you do that.
Wow, here I was ready to nitpick you for intimating Apollo was a member of the roman pantheon rather than the hellenic pantheon. Then I looked it up and discovered he's present in both!
Anyway, brilliant response as ever philhellenes. Jack's video was nothing but an exposition of his favorite rhetorical tactic, poisoning the well. Hopefully he will learn something from his interchange with you, but I would not hold out great hope for such an outcome.
I don't know if agree with you on all points, Phil. I like my dog a lot better than I like my wife. The former is actually happy to see me when I come home from work. The latter seldom, if ever, is.
Try this experiment Cadicus- lock your dog and your wife in the trunk of your car for an hour or two. Guess which one will be happy to see you when you let them out?
I do. That's why I seldom reply to Christian videos anymore... Do you think we can actually get YokeUp weaned off the Bible and interested in science and rational thought? I'm not holding my breath...
yeah, but what about the christians reading the comments? If you can sway one christian to be an atheist in 1,000 comments, then it'd be worth it. Plus, you can do comments while still watching the video/
Not only can't Jack know why God allows tsunamis (or any human suffering that can't be blamed on free will), he also cannot know God. God is untestable, he is also unknowable.
I think Jack's misunderstanding of atheism is due to the flags we carry in debate with Christians. Lots of Christians make this mistake. They see atheism as a religion, like their own, with something to 'offer' and doctrines to adhere to. Since God colors all aspects of their understanding they wonder "How do you live?"
That was a thought through video with valuable argument, philhellness. However, I've watched the other guy's vid and he just seems to be terrified of atheism. That's where his rationality, that he so repetitively brings up, goes. Maybe he will get to think clearly when some of his existential pain fades.
Fantastic. "Not pwnage"? Well, that's the only thing I'd have to disagree with.
It seems that Jack is by turns either too self-absorbed or too God-absorbed to really notice his fellow human beings and see the meaning they bring to his life. Toward the end of his video he mentions "other people" while practically rolling his eyes. Sad.
5 * Phil.. ALL well said. You should watch the videos attached to Jack's vids, made by that Philos guy - pretty good filmmaking, yet merely another religious idiot. I really loathe theists sometimes... if for nothing else, just for being mind-bogglingly IGNORANT and stubborn at the same time! =\
Speaking from my own experience: I remember the day when I realized I didn't believe the dogma anymore, and didn't even believe there was a god. It ranks as one of the high points of my life: BECAUSE..Unless you have been there, you have no idea how fast you have to tap dance as a christian. The people around you want to micromanage your brain. You have to keep revising your belief to fit in with the latest fad, or preacher, or bible verse. You have have to stifle your *bullshit meter*. Daily.
ALSO: you are expected to agree with philosophies that are horrible(bias against gays, etc) You are expected to constantly check yourself for *sin*, and ask forgiveness for the pettiest of *crimes*. If you do good, god gets the credit. Bad? It's all YOUR fault.The day I stopped dancing to the dissonance of that cultic song was a day I am grateful for. Hope? I was full of hope; I gave myself permission to think for myself, and was able to embrace the world without feeling guilty for EVERYTHING.
ATHEISm ROCKS because you can stop concentrating on non-issues (like will we all be 30 in heaven): simply clear all the crazy stuff off the table in one swipe, and you can start living in the real world. The questions that once haunted me are answered like: why does an all powerful god allow babies to starve, or suffer abuse at the hand of monsters?..the answer is simple and profound and true: there IS NO GOD and the universe doesn't care, so we have to do the best we can to protect kids.
Sorry for my outburst, Phil, I don't know what got into me, but I get so frustrated by togetherforpeace, and all. How can he not hear the truth? He is young, but he may end up in his late 50's like I was and it will hit him like a brick: He could have had truth, and insisted on holding onto the lie.
I saw a cross in the trees once... Yeah, it was at a beautiful campsite way back in (if you'll pardon the expression) God's country. Somebody had decided that the beauty of that natural setting wasn't enough--it needed a GIANT cross GOUGED so deeply into the tree, it bled its sap. Please pardon the horrible tongue-in-cheek, Mr. Phil, but unfortunately, I have seen a cross in the trees... :(
IzaakTaltos 6 months ago
u mean a cat or dog has never demonstrated luv 4 u? Awwww, my kitty luvs me.
Laughingblades 7 months ago
@Laughingblades No, your kitty wants to eat you!
Silkfox 6 months ago
@Silkfox :D My kitty is a vicious killer, but she always brings me dead animals cuz she's all like "Hey, look what I did, aren't you proud of me" so I always pet her and give her a treat :)
Laughingblades 6 months ago
Sorry phil but your critique if Anarchism falls short.
I don't understand the plea that an Anarchist society would be 'inviting hell on earth' because of a lack of 'control'. There is a control, your fellow human being. The essential thesis behind anarchism is that society can be constructive in nature. A constructive society employs natural restrictions (how does murder/theft help the community?) on the average nonviolent person. Violent cases can be dealt with through community security.
Keinlicht 7 months ago
Even at 100% the human mind would still be inferior
MegaBloodrain 7 months ago
So now you think you know everything? This is why there are things that are just not meant to be understood. You still don't know how inferior the human mind/brain is, trying to understand the unattainable, very well, if you manage one day to hit 70% of your brain power you tell me
MegaBloodrain 7 months ago
@MegaBloodrain You don't know how inferior your comment is.
JackeShanTwo 4 months ago
@JackeShanTwo Ok smartass
MegaBloodrain 4 months ago
"The only beings who have ever demonstrated love to me are my fellow *human* beings. That's why I value them so highly."
Lol, never had a dog, then?
DoubtIsAVirtue 1 year ago 2
@DoubtIsAVirtue Nope, but I've played with a few, and you're right. I stand corrected. And then there was my pet crow.... :)
philhellenes 1 year ago
"Intellectuals never call themselves intellectual"
"Only the true Messiah would say he wasn't the Messiah"
punnet2 1 year ago
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ghostthehostwithmost 1 year ago
it boils down to faith...intelect doesn't have to mean your godless,i mean mybe the bible is not all correct,but i know some being/beings must be behind all of this.and untill something better comes,am sticking with the good old bible. becouse the choise is to have something or have nothing with athism and i chosse to have the bible becouse that's all we have for the time being ...
ghostthehostwithmost 1 year ago
@ghostthehostwithmost "i chosse to have the bible becouse that's all we have for the time being ..."
Congratulations on making the single most tragic comment I have ever read. At such times I have to ask myself if you're really alive.
philhellenes 1 year ago 3
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life is a sweet tragedy my friend...but mockery is just tragic.
ghostthehostwithmost 1 year ago
@philhellenes life is a sweet tragedy my friend...but mockery is just tragic.
ghostthehostwithmost 1 year ago
@ghostthehostwithmost I wasn't mocking you. I meant what I said. Perhaps you HAVE to interpret it as mockery to avoid the fact that someone genuinely sees your viewpoint as, in some sense "tragic", a waste.
"...all we have."
So much to learn, see and experience, and "all" you have is one book. Intellectually, it's like only ever going on one LONG holiday abroad and never leaving your hotel room. If there is a creator, this life may be all they COULD give. Better to face that now than "later".
philhellenes 1 year ago 7
@ghostthehostwithmost What made you settle on the bible, rather than any other book?
punnet2 1 year ago
@punnet2 that's the thing my friend people think that it's about the books and/or deffrent religions but it's about "faith" in god no matter what you choose to call him.to answer your question i settled for the bible after being born a chatholic becoming an athiist and finding the real truth that god is faith and the "devil"is dought...but this are my personal reasons find out your own without dought or following others
ghostthehostwithmost 1 year ago
@ghostthehostwithmost Well I was raised catholic, became atheist and...stayed atheist. You neglected to explain precisely why you settled on the bible, unless it's simply because you were raised catholic, and being raised in another faith would have led you to settle on something other than the bible.
punnet2 1 year ago
@ghostthehostwithmost Theres the Qur'an the torah the book or mormon the norse myths and billions of other books that are matchable with your mythology book.
yuo252 10 months ago
@ghostthehostwithmost The bible is all we have for the time being, are you serious? You want a list of great philosophers, historians, poets, scientists and the their respective works.
petion2010 6 months ago
Atheism gives me the peace of knowing that nobody is watching while I wank.
Atheism gives privacy =P
metalien2 1 year ago
The only thing of value I learned from a philosophy book was that A is A... That's about it.
drzoidbergsocal 1 year ago
Now, I don't know if anyone will agree with this but I think Jack has the makings of an atheist! I say this bcuz I see his confusion, his struggles as rational ones, deep within. He'll start to think about them, then block them! His denial and fear is what made and keeps him a theist.
Maybe if he read the OT, seeing Yahweh as a human tyrant instead of an all powerful ghost, maybe that'd do it. It was one thing that helped me.
Bottom line; It wasn't until I got honest with me, that changed it all
Cootabux 1 year ago
Cart before horse -- yes we have it.
cjc813 1 year ago
Proof that Christianity is a lie.
watch?v=JKG59NUdn8A
FinalFan0 2 years ago
wait.. I think I've VASTLY misunderstood where you are coming from; I took you for a theist...
coolbeens21 2 years ago
Lack of believe in gods is the proper definition of atheism... All gods ; There are many so called gods
I deny them all. Im pretty sure you do as well.. except the god that you choose to believe in.
I deny them all, period ; That is what atheism is.
A lack of belief in all gods.
coolbeens21 2 years ago
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coolbeens21 2 years ago
Says it all. :)
philhellenes 2 years ago
@philhellenes damn phil your on fire again
Serpico261 1 year ago
Yup,redemption for man is the death of the mythical sky daddy,all flavours no longer available.
Rockster969 2 years ago 2
I`m an athieist ..but I dissagree , that , as you sad, "human beings " are the only thing worth living for ..
Well thats not true ..
its not important whats worth living for ...
more imortant are the things worth dieing for ..
HK379 3 years ago
While I'm not arguing. I think you make a good point and I applaud it. There is one thing I'd like you to imagine, the thing I was imagining when making the remark you question...
Imagine waking up tomorrow and all the other humans are gone, and you KNOW there are none left, and nothing can bring them back.
I'm not sure how long I'd last, if you get what I'm saying.
But yes, there are things to die for, and be content.
philhellenes 3 years ago
Well , . you could probably find a still alive egg ... some where in the corpses ..
and use a monkey womb , so you could re -populate the planet ....
not could ... you are going to have to do it , for the future of the human race .
HK379 3 years ago
Ha! Well played! I show you a nightmare and you show me a worse one! Bravo!
philhellenes 3 years ago
hey , night mare or not , the future in that case would depend on you , and you are going to have to act .. for the future and common good of all..
HK379 3 years ago
He's right, you know. Intellectuals never refer to themselves as intellectuals, just like humble people never call themselves humble.
BusterWolf23 3 years ago 5
I agree with you on everything you said except for one issue.
Just for your information, and I mean no disrespect by this, there is a cross in the sky.
It is the "Crux"(also commonly called the "southern cross") constellation. Crux is Latin for "Cross."
It is a small constellation but it has significance according to Asharia S.
Her work suggests that the myth of Jesus is entirely astrological in origin. The first 45 minutes the Zeitgeist Movie pretty much spells out her claims.
WHollabaugh 3 years ago 4
Each 3 secons 1 kid died in africa of hunger, thats more than enough to dont belibe in god, i cant stand that cruelty, can any of you? (i dout it, but for some of you its gods will)
speakwithdeath 3 years ago
I disagree with the idea that atheism can't give you peace.
It was only after I became and atheist and realized that this life wasn't some great big test that I was truly at peace with myself.
I don't chase imaginary rewards or fear imaginary punishments. That's enormously peaceful.
I also lost all fear of death (in the sense of wondering/quavering about what comes next, not in the sense of not want to live healthily as long as possible).
middlekk 3 years ago 21
This clip puts a smile on my face!
Domzdream 3 years ago 11
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The wisdom of God is greater than the wisdom of man.
DarthDJJD 3 years ago
Where did you get this information from?
95b18c1gsr 3 years ago 5
It is absurd to believe that "hope" is the sole possession of christianity. The ancient pre-Christian peoples' religions also offered the brand of "hope" of which you speak. How can you just blatantly (or conveniently) disregard this fact?
Christians have certainly shown a LOT of compassion in the past: the fires of Smithfield, the Inquisition, the execution of "witches" are fine examples of christian compassion, aren't they?
Cissy2cute 3 years ago
wacko jacko is a nob
starwave1967 3 years ago
Xianity does offer "hope" - as does Islam, Hinduism, etc.
Problem is to determine whether these are *false* hopes.
Atheism is more a conclusion than a method.
proudfootz 3 years ago
If I recall corectly Jack suffers from a condition that doesn't allow him to stay focused for too much time (he talked about something like falling asleep at the office because of this condition).
Just think about it. An intelectual has thought about what rationality is only after he have seen phil's video. And all he came up was a circular definition.
logossfera 3 years ago
philhellenes,
Have you noticed that you take compassion for granted. What I mean by that is you think it's obvious that we should all have compassion (by some higher standard?).
I'm referencing 7:58 when you say your hope is with humanity to rise above our nature, "better than our past".
Do you realize your "hope" is a concept borrowed from Christianity?
StormTrek 3 years ago
You are an intelligent person. But if you're going to defend atheism you've got to use your own toys.
StormTrek 3 years ago
"Borrowed from xianity?" So the Egyptions, Aztecs, Greeks and any other human society before jesus were all callous cunts? I don't see your logic.
CyanideSovereign 3 years ago 4
What's borrowed from Christianity is the concept of the moral standard by which we can say one moral act is better than another.
Within atheism, you are faced with moral relativity; compassion is not a virtue because virtues are illusory.
StormTrek 3 years ago
Stormtrek - I suppose you deserve som formal notification. I think you're a dishonest dickhead whom I shall be ignoring for the rest of your life.
The points you raise are ALWAYS from the "smokescreen" class. They have been answered, many times. That you can say hope is a Christian concept, and, presumably, anyone with hope owes it to Christianity, makes me want to throw up. You're just a bad smell.
philhellenes 3 years ago
Stormtrek - Compassion isn't even a HUMAN concept. Chimpanzees demonstrate it! Know any Christian chimpanzees?
philhellenes 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
philhellenes said: I think you're a dishonest dickhead whom I shall be ignoring for the rest of your life.
What a way to treat someone who had the patience to bring some intellectual discourse to your channel. It seems that you are really only seeking praise from the choir.
AwokenSpirit 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You didnt even bother to respond to his actual point, which was: What's borrowed from Christianity is the concept of the moral standard by which we can say one moral act is better than another. You chose to build a strawman from his argument and respond to that instead. You do exactly what you accuse Jack of doing, and yet you seem to get mindless praise from your choir nonetheless. It is clear to me why many Christians dont even bother commenting on your channel.
AwokenSpirit 3 years ago
"What's borrowed from Christianity is the concept of the moral standard by which we can say one moral act is better than another."
Well, that is simply untrue. It's appaulingly ignorant of...essentially the entirety of human culture and history before christianity.
It is not unusual for christians to be this short-sighted, but that you would try to justify it so?
That is just amazing.
Mathenaut 3 years ago 4
Simple Jack.
(these head movies are making' my eyes rain)
Clausfarre 3 years ago
go on big phill stick it till them fucking beleivers, 'I saw the light , I saw the light praise the lord I saw the light' every morning with the coming of the sun hehehehe yummy
TheNewProphetisHere 3 years ago
Phil, you would make the most amazing professor. These logs are more engaging than every seminar I've ever sat through. It's ridiculous that everyone, especially (and ironically) in academic settings, is afraid to express these beliefs.
somethingibelieve 3 years ago
1:49 to 1:57 ouch...harsh but true.
MickB0529 3 years ago
Agreed with almost everything you said except: Anarchy is not lawlessness it is statelessness, From my perspective "natural law" with any resemblances of positive law pertaining only to those who entered mutually into a contract, enforced through competing private vs state monopolized institutions.
Every time I hear an atheist suggest anarchy would bringing a hell on earth I think to myself, So we don't need a God threating us to be moral we just need a state threating us.
xeperdamien 3 years ago
Seriously phil, especially from 4:00 great stuff, your mindset seems very similar to mine and i can relate to what you said in the fullest. Great stuff phil.
LordAtheistCrusader 3 years ago
I'm full of hope and love, but I don't believe in science and I don't believe in human nature either. these are both as farcical as religion, science suffers peer review which means you judge the person instead of the info, and human nature is the nature of me, I am human and my nature is to love, if everyone took that one on board I'd believe in it, right now it's not human nature, but as you rightly say, the ability to reason, unfortunately not used by most. I'm not an intellectual. Love.
denbosz88 3 years ago
"science suffers peer review which means you judge the person instead of the info"
No, you got that absolutely backwards, peer review is review of the data from experimentation and theories presupposing for future experimentation connecting the data by many "peers" in the equivalent field of study, for their proof's merit **despite** who that person is. They approach their publications *critically*, who they are is of no concern, the only concern is whether or not that peer's data holds water.
ZarathustrasFinalSin 3 years ago
Thats how peer review is "supposed" to happen, unfortunately, in reality it is not the case. Anyone from outside the scientific community is discredited if they don't hold the degrees that the scientific community recognizes and often if they question what science has deemed established fact. Science todaty is looking more and more like the church of old. Google. ooparts and see a myriad of artifacts that have been found which threaten the status quo and just don't get seen.
denbosz88 3 years ago
Phil,
Demonstrating love for you from Philly!! It always makes my day when I see a new vid from you. I'm NOT an intellectual...Just an ex-christian who found my way to atheism by studying the bible at an Assembly of God college. (A great path to atheism, also, I must say!) You have a wonderful way of articulating what I want to say....but you do so much better than I ever could. Love your vids...Love you!
CarolBlanchard1 3 years ago
Not being an atheist I still consider this video as decent one. I would also know what you've got to say and that's why I your new watcher.
Kozaack 3 years ago
I would also like to know what you've got to say and that's why I your new watcher. (sorry for mistakes)
Kozaack 3 years ago
Nice vid! I'll be checking out some of your others.
TruthSurge 3 years ago
onanonbeliever thats why u need 2 read the Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth or simply the BIBLE "and anyones name who wasent found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire,this is the 2nd death"-i suposed i scared no athiest with that one, but what if its true? dont think that until u seek god acually
huntallen00 3 years ago
Where do they all come from? WHERE???? Robots for the LARD. They get trained by the same dogma school, wound up and set off to march with their four or five canned replies.
TruthSurge 3 years ago
someone cannot believe in the bible or god unless they have an acual born again expereince,and theres many that accept atheism because they dont want to do the extra work of acually tryin to search for faith and draw close to god to see if god is real. the bible says, "draw close to god and god will draw close to you" and yes this is true to someone who hasa born again expereince.this is the holy spirit coming on to someone and causeing this to understand the words of god!turnorburnhasnoeffect
huntallen00 3 years ago
what was your "actual born again experience"? i take it that you are a born again christian. how did you find your faith? what is faith? faith to me is like telling myself that Elvis is still alive or that i will win the lottery. to base your whole life on this faith thing that may or may not be is a bit sad. i feel scared for you. something really bad must have happened to you for you to be believing in something like the bible.
Yagharekthedead 3 years ago
i feel the moment i believed i had a born again expereince. i smoked cigertes at the time and always heard many say its difficult to quit on there own and they used nicoten patches which acually didnt help because a in small time they were smoking again. well through praying and bible reading,even though at 1st i didnt understand the bible i kept reading,as i did this i found myself believing in god and seeing things god wanted me to see the more i tried to understand the bible.the more my
huntallen00 3 years ago
and the more i prayed the more i found myself wanting to acually not desire smoking or anything that will destroy me. and evenually through time and persecution from god i found my self not smoking ,without using nicotine gum or patches.god delivered me! and thats why its important for many smokers to here the message of salvation,as they may not only quit smoking but have the life god gave them transformed into abunance and good health and morally the right way of living.
huntallen00 3 years ago
"Rationality can, and often does, lead to atheism." THANK YOU for pointing that out, seriously.
Ourbine 3 years ago
Flashlight analogy was brilliant! I wish I'd have thought of that.
I hear god a lot in traffic jams. God this and god that. Move your God **** car right God ******* now!
happysplodie 3 years ago
liberty university makes me laugh.
MaxwellBennett 3 years ago
All good points, this video.
kvaks3000 3 years ago
i don't know much about science.. most of what science is about bores me :)
emuholic 3 years ago
One day, maybe, just maybe, you'll be walking down the street, alone. It'll be dark, very dark. You might be slightly drunk. Maybe not. You'll definitely be in a good mood and content. And you might look up, accidentally, at the stars.
And it might be just like seeing the stars for the very first time. The world will seem to go very quiet...
You might get it then. It's nice to go exploring what is actually known and how we know it. It's like FINALLY stuff makes sense. It feels...better. ;)
philhellenes 3 years ago
hi.started off sounding like a rape tale at first, but youre right it will definitely be alone if im to do that - im not good around people..
sounds like astronomy... I'm fascinated by space and what's out there beyond this dumpsite planet.. but the style or method of which science uses of getting knowledge about space is slow, complex and mathematically put, and isn't very exciting to me...
whether it makes sense or not is another thing, though i dont doubt that it does make lots of sense..
emuholic 3 years ago
but that said.. biology is tedious (maybe its just the way its taught in schools thats given it a bad rep).. and chemistry is even worse.. im not the best at taking things in and understanding them quickly.. but im no clueless idiot either.. i can learn about things that dont interest me.. but its very hard to take it in
emuholic 3 years ago
Well, astronomy it is for you! That IS science! My favourite part. That's what got me into science. Nobody is drawn to all fields. One is fine, and can make the others a bit more interesting, like astronomy can touch on physics and chemistry, show how it all connects and fits.
But something you MUST remember, if you hate maths, trust me, I hate it FAR more! You do NOT need maths to grasp concepts, only imagination. NONE of the books listed on my page have equations (I wouldn't understand them.)
philhellenes 3 years ago
i bet god is working through u right know,thats why u replyed with this 10:55 minute video,god is convicting ur heart and ur in challenge mode to be test on ur faith to find out how real god is,oh and when god reveals himself to u ,not by site of vision,but by site of the spirit and expereince u will wake up 4rom the nonbelief sleep ur under& what devil has many under and ull acaully give ur own testamony of faith,just wait and see,u cant escape once god is in urlife working faith.dont resist
huntallen00 3 years ago
Nicely said.
sarcasmosis 3 years ago
I just watched a cartoon of The Emperors New Cloths that you mentioned -- what a great comparison, thank you. The JW's make massive amounts of material with many references to other publications to give the follower the illusion of a deep education. I like to research the direct control mechanisms that are unique to the various other religions. I think if people become aware of these then they can make a sound decision on what believe.
DreamPharaoh 3 years ago
I see TogetherForPeace is still at it! What amazes me is how, from what he says, you'd get the impression that he has never watched an atheist rebuttal to the these claims, although clearly he has. Is he really that dense or is he just deliberately feigning ignorance--perhaps hoping to impress the gullible and truly ignorant? Am I being too sinister in assessing his motives?
TheMathGuy 3 years ago
Good vid.
you know, i bilieve in god but just not as the bible(or any other religius book) descrives it.
i bilieve that god existed or exists, but he does not perform miracles, the only miracle that he performs is the miracle of gravity, the miracle of any kind of energy, i have the idea that he is, in fact the natural laws.
who said god is good in my head we are just another grain of sand in hes large sad box.
As you see i bilieve in god, yet i have no hope in him.
sry about my Inglish
afrocop 3 years ago
i particularly object to theists acusing atheists of lacking an explanation for the material universe. lets face it if the universe was a car thier explanation for how it came into existence would amount to some guy did it. in other words no explanation. they have no answeres for the questions they ask but more often than not they sneer at real explanations such as evolution. stating an answere does not justify the causality rather it is the other way round. nice video phill.
ooglebydoogleby 3 years ago
I agree with you on "they appear logical and sane in a work environment etc, but I used to be a Jehovah's Witness before becoming an Atheist and I would say that when I look back at how I used to believe it was as if it was the only belief. It was so engrained that no one could of told me otherwise. One interesting thing to me is that I was not allowed to research anything else outside of the religious magazines etc because it was considered demonized. I wonder if other religions do this to?
DreamPharaoh 3 years ago
its comon practice in many churches. where its not religeon tends to have a more liberal face such as some of the c of e churches. its barly noticable that god is involved at all in some of those congregations apparently.
ooglebydoogleby 3 years ago
thank you for throwing a punch back at him!
MuskegoChronicles 3 years ago
philhellenes, gr8 vid as always. Loz
LozTheAtheist 3 years ago
"I hope you Americans have that expression."
Us Brits have that expression?
SuperiorSavior 3 years ago
Us older Brits do. ;)
philhellenes 3 years ago
Hats of to that man. I wonder if jack has ever read any philosophy, if so it obviously did not register, so if you see this Jack, I would recomend you start with Neitzsche, either 'Beyond Good and Evil' or 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra'. May God have mercy on our souls, lol.
BMS1974 3 years ago
Excellent.
So many rational statements flooded my mind with the witnessing of this video.
You're one person I'd like to meet
Among TAA and a long list of others
Please keep up the good work. I'd like to hear more from you.
Odin50Cal 3 years ago
What's the eggshell trick?
RageTreb 3 years ago
Oh the embarrassment. I meant "sea shell" trick. I think I got confused with the "egg cup" trick, which is the same thing. Three cups or shells and a pea, and a bit of slight of hand. Now you see it, now you don't. A good conman can beat you almost every time by misdirection.
Jack ain't good at it. :)
philhellenes 3 years ago
"I hope you Americans have that expression."
If we didn't we would usurp it without delay.
lazyperfectionist1 3 years ago
And mis-pronounce it no doubt.
I'll never forgive you all for the way some American hosts of mine in the past have looked at me whenever I said the word "tomato". I switched to calling them "red things". It didn't help. :)
philhellenes 3 years ago
What have you used in place of "potato?" What color? or shall I say, "colour."
lazyperfectionist1 3 years ago
awesome video! I liked the torch analogy very much.
notsodeadlydave 3 years ago
Phil, I gave up on Jack long ago. I stomped his guts out with Logic and he just ignored me. Good Luck.
ndclark 3 years ago
And I watched you do it, Nathan. And it was a reason I hesitated before doing this response. But when all is said and done I argue with most people who are manifestly wrong within my earshot (ask a VERY close friend of mine who only a few weeks ago started a conversation in a bar about the moon-landings being faked).
Sometimes, I just can't help myself. We don't have to argue with every theist over every video but sometimes I'm just "in the mood". And we know what happens if we stay silent. :)
philhellenes 3 years ago
LOL. Yup. I think there is only one thing left to say to Jack. And I'm saying it today.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Hurry up with the upload. I'm waiting. :)
philhellenes 3 years ago
It's there. I'm looking at my little thumbnail. But it STILL says "uploading"... can't be long now!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
And it's live
rozeboosje 3 years ago
It somewhat horrifies knowing that so many atheists on youtube are also libertarians or anarcho-capitalists. I really try (at least, I think I try) to understand where they're coming from but they continue to puzzle me.
BoozyBeggar 3 years ago
Thank you for another awesome clip, Phil.
Domzdream 3 years ago
My pleasure. I was hoping to get a reply from Jack but he's had something of a "tsunami" of responses to his latest bit of "wisdom" so I'll have to forgive him if he concentrates on not drowning. :)
philhellenes 3 years ago
... we're Vulcans!
So, does that mean we have to repress our emotions in order to achieve rational outcomes, at the cost of our enjoyment of life?
TheCuriousSkeptic 3 years ago
I prefer to think, not of emotions, but in terms of instincts. We already repress our instincts, say, on a packed train when our instincts don't want someone standing so close, or when we resist the urge to urinate in the street. Repressing instincts is the whole reason we have civilizations. Instead of repression I'd suggest understanding. When you understand where an instinct comes from it loses much of its power to make you do stupid things. Religion prevents such understanding.
philhellenes 3 years ago
I think that even more than simple suppression of instinct, it's more in knowing which to suppress and which to allow. To rationally segregate bad instincts from good ones and act on that rationale. I think thats whats important to move toward. I very much agree that belief that is direct contradiction with reality is dangerous and inhibits our ability to grow. Just my $0.02 ;-)
-Max
itsjustmax 3 years ago
I see the JackHamster has started running in its wheel again. Did he actually mention those scientists at the start? Did he not see my Name Drop Poker video? Anyway. Great vid.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
To be fair (and I DO try) no, Jack didn't mention any scientists. I was trying to pre-empt any such list as a counter argument that some EXTREMELY rational and highly intelligent scientists of the past have been Christian (a common tactic, as you know) by showing that they didn't have all the information that we do today. Didn't want Jack to waste his time. :)
philhellenes 3 years ago
Ah. Fair enough. Makes the comment I made on his video obsolete though, but never mind.
I'm uploading my own response. He's not going to like it.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
what a cerebral explosion.
cozmikzen 3 years ago
philhellenes
I especially liked the flashlight analogy. I think I've heard something like it before but I was drawn to the concise precision of your usage. Once again another very nice video.
One question though. Why do you suppose Jack (and people like him) continue to flat out lie about the position of non-belief even after they have been corrected dozens of times? Why do they not simply discuss reasons they disagree with us rather than simply misrepresent us? So irritating.
knightxd4 3 years ago
My font or something is fucked up.. or something.. because I can't see what symbols you put, instead weird boxes pop up saying BCI4 and BCF4. Oh well.
SleepySkeptic 3 years ago
FYI, HumanStrategy was using Korean Hangul script, so I'm guessing you don't have any Korean fonts. Just a guess.
MishaVargas 3 years ago
Thanks for your useless comments. They didn't change my way of talking or generalizing, because I don't give a shit. Fuck off, mr. intelligent.
SleepySkeptic 3 years ago
I'm not posting exact stats, dipshit.
SleepySkeptic 3 years ago
Awesome video, keep up the good work.
TheStig000 3 years ago
Many non-human animals are about 50 billion times more loving than about 90% of humans, so I strongly disagree with that idea you finished at about 9:30 in.
SleepySkeptic 3 years ago
"Human beings are the only things that make life worth living."
Are you sure that's wrong? Since the concepts of worth and value would, as far as we yet know, be absent or very much diminished in this universe without their inventors in humanity, it would seem that human beings are the only things that can make anything worth anything.
Also - I disagree with your numbers... Can you get me your literature on the 50 billion figure? :)
prognost 3 years ago
I think animals find their lives to be of worth, otherwise they'd just lay down and let you kill them. Also, my dogs find meaty bones to be of worth, otherwise they wouldn't hoard them away from each other and get super defensive.
What if there are aliens 50 billion times more intelligent than us?? That would make our lives worth about as much to them as a turkey's life is to you.
Oh, and keep getting really anal about me throwing numbers around, it makes me think much harder when you do that.
SleepySkeptic 3 years ago
That was a nice civil response and still cuts deep!
SliceSupeRStaR 3 years ago
The world made so much more sense when I finally woke up and threw away christianity.
TheStig000 3 years ago
I loved the last points - good job :)
LorenzKamo 3 years ago
five stars
naomi94 3 years ago
Wow, here I was ready to nitpick you for intimating Apollo was a member of the roman pantheon rather than the hellenic pantheon. Then I looked it up and discovered he's present in both!
Anyway, brilliant response as ever philhellenes. Jack's video was nothing but an exposition of his favorite rhetorical tactic, poisoning the well. Hopefully he will learn something from his interchange with you, but I would not hold out great hope for such an outcome.
iconoclastic23 3 years ago
great damn vid!
Cristofer7 3 years ago
excellent response as always phill!!!.
5/5
joebot1 3 years ago
I don't know if agree with you on all points, Phil. I like my dog a lot better than I like my wife. The former is actually happy to see me when I come home from work. The latter seldom, if ever, is.
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
Try this experiment Cadicus- lock your dog and your wife in the trunk of your car for an hour or two. Guess which one will be happy to see you when you let them out?
otissimo9 3 years ago
Eh, I prefer not to wake up sans testicles and penis, so I will not lock the wife up in my trunk for an hour or two.
To do that to my dog would just be plain mean even though he probably wouldn't get mad at me for it.
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
I think Jack has lost the plot.
He seems to be very confused and angry and just rambles on.
Perhaps he needs to get laid by a good atheist girl. ;)
I look forward to round 2, ding ding.
unixhead101 3 years ago
Do you get the feeling you might be flogging a dead horse?
thatgaybloke 3 years ago 2
I do. That's why I seldom reply to Christian videos anymore... Do you think we can actually get YokeUp weaned off the Bible and interested in science and rational thought? I'm not holding my breath...
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
yeah, but what about the christians reading the comments? If you can sway one christian to be an atheist in 1,000 comments, then it'd be worth it. Plus, you can do comments while still watching the video/
Syntheticbrawler 3 years ago
We all get that feeling from time to time. Remember that people aside from Jack watch the videos. :P
Sarahon06 3 years ago
Outstanding. I agree 100%. You said everything I was thinking but could not come up with the words.
sorienor 3 years ago
Right to the heart of the matter. That was a fine effort Phillh. Yeah. Great speech!
Danmill23 3 years ago
Not only can't Jack know why God allows tsunamis (or any human suffering that can't be blamed on free will), he also cannot know God. God is untestable, he is also unknowable.
I think Jack's misunderstanding of atheism is due to the flags we carry in debate with Christians. Lots of Christians make this mistake. They see atheism as a religion, like their own, with something to 'offer' and doctrines to adhere to. Since God colors all aspects of their understanding they wonder "How do you live?"
riversonthemoon 3 years ago
Phil, you've said everything I wanted to say to rebutt the arguments of Jack's video. Yet another addition to my favourites this video will be.
andrewrberkshire 3 years ago
Excellent video, great rebuttal.
Jack has seemingly lost all sense of rational thinking. Maybe that's why he's so angry at atheists?
Gnug215 3 years ago
I watched a bit of Jack's vid and couldn't help but think about Pat Condell's comment that "religion is a mental illness".
scepticVseptic 3 years ago
That was a thought through video with valuable argument, philhellness. However, I've watched the other guy's vid and he just seems to be terrified of atheism. That's where his rationality, that he so repetitively brings up, goes. Maybe he will get to think clearly when some of his existential pain fades.
LikeAPossum 3 years ago
i know i`m being anal but at 1.12 jack says about atheism: "it doesn`t give nothing" well it must give something then : )
geniusmasterclass 3 years ago 2
Double negative, bitch! *high five*
slipcurve 3 years ago
BWhahaaha I was also going to talk to Jack about tsunamis but I was already at 700 characters...
Nice job philhellenes!
Paxmax 3 years ago
You always give me something new to contemplate.
Thank you.
mrsjinx 3 years ago
Fantastic. "Not pwnage"? Well, that's the only thing I'd have to disagree with.
It seems that Jack is by turns either too self-absorbed or too God-absorbed to really notice his fellow human beings and see the meaning they bring to his life. Toward the end of his video he mentions "other people" while practically rolling his eyes. Sad.
LeafInTheStream 3 years ago
In the words of Alan Partridge....
"Back of the net!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Nice one phil. 5 stars.
realbluemeanie 3 years ago
5 * Phil.. ALL well said. You should watch the videos attached to Jack's vids, made by that Philos guy - pretty good filmmaking, yet merely another religious idiot. I really loathe theists sometimes... if for nothing else, just for being mind-bogglingly IGNORANT and stubborn at the same time! =\
siciliano29 3 years ago
Speaking from my own experience: I remember the day when I realized I didn't believe the dogma anymore, and didn't even believe there was a god. It ranks as one of the high points of my life: BECAUSE..Unless you have been there, you have no idea how fast you have to tap dance as a christian. The people around you want to micromanage your brain. You have to keep revising your belief to fit in with the latest fad, or preacher, or bible verse. You have have to stifle your *bullshit meter*. Daily.
8journey8 3 years ago
ALSO: you are expected to agree with philosophies that are horrible(bias against gays, etc) You are expected to constantly check yourself for *sin*, and ask forgiveness for the pettiest of *crimes*. If you do good, god gets the credit. Bad? It's all YOUR fault.The day I stopped dancing to the dissonance of that cultic song was a day I am grateful for. Hope? I was full of hope; I gave myself permission to think for myself, and was able to embrace the world without feeling guilty for EVERYTHING.
8journey8 3 years ago
ATHEISm ROCKS because you can stop concentrating on non-issues (like will we all be 30 in heaven): simply clear all the crazy stuff off the table in one swipe, and you can start living in the real world. The questions that once haunted me are answered like: why does an all powerful god allow babies to starve, or suffer abuse at the hand of monsters?..the answer is simple and profound and true: there IS NO GOD and the universe doesn't care, so we have to do the best we can to protect kids.
8journey8 3 years ago
Sorry for my outburst, Phil, I don't know what got into me, but I get so frustrated by togetherforpeace, and all. How can he not hear the truth? He is young, but he may end up in his late 50's like I was and it will hit him like a brick: He could have had truth, and insisted on holding onto the lie.
Again, sorry for the rant.
8journey8 3 years ago
Love this guy. Keep up the good work
atheelogos 3 years ago 2
I imagine the Bible would be no#1 on the philosophy book.
Great video!
idontbelievereligion 3 years ago