@STARFIRESOLAR I do have it finished but not installed, as you can see by my others videos I have been pretty busy building homes, I will be installing this unit in March at the cob cordwood bathroom I am building.
You need to change the flow lay out, instead of having T fittings you need it to be a single directional flow. That way the water is in the pipe for the maximum amount of time as well as an equal amount of time. As someone else has also said the pipe diamater needs to be much much smaller. In Heat reduction you want as much surface area as possible. The same principal works here, if you get pipe that is less then half of the diamater and get the flow going all in one direction = higher temp
Sorry, as I said, do not mean to rain on your parade...i'm not suggesting it not a worker, but having made bit of copper work, it's somthing i've looked at and thought about, and gazed at other to try and descibe how to do it better. But of course, here in lies the madness of never being satisfied....you have it and it works, but if you can drag another 3 - 5%, & the price of the virtical tubes goes down, 'cos there smaller. It will always be a compromise.Regards Bob
I don't mean to rain on your parade..but 90.6 to 114 degrees..nice but no biscuit..lovely piece of work.. i'm sure the energy companys an't quaking in boots for 24 degs. Nb feature of central heating rads tubing of different sizes, horizonal / vertical, water pressure spreads it's perculation more evenly across the panel verticals.may be achiecevable by crimping the tubes near the inlet tube ? Vaccum box / enclosure 14 Lb/sq inch..it'd collapse,but solicon gel to absorb moisture, would help.
@magna59 isnt it funny that no matter what aperson does to create a system that working extremely well, another DOUCHE comes along and tries to walk all over it....... All I can say is I enjoy my creation and it does what I need, good luck with yours...
I have no experience as a welder/fabricator but if you let everyone know approximately where you are, you might get an offer. There is lots of interest in solar anything right now.
@GreenSolarGarden yeah I am well aware of the interest, I am in Texas close to Houston, but we are on private land so I wont be giving the address, but I would be glad to drive to someone in the west Houston area to get some work done, I would be willing to trade a working unit once they are done.
Can you post a pic of the finished product and let us know how well it works?
Everyone knows that still water in a garden hose can reach high temperatures. But what I am wondering if the continuous flow of cold water into the system can still heat the water to a high enough temperature to heat a pool using this method. I really like the idea of the dyi methods. Commercially sold items may work better but they are far too expensive for many.
@GreenSolarGarden this system wouldn't be a direct use one, it is tied into a storage tank that uses the thermo-siphon technique to continually heat water through this manifold, the water you would use comes from the storage tank itself. The system I am working on now uses a glycol solution in place of the water and a coiled copper heat transfer inside the storage tank. I wish I could find a welder/fabricator that would help me create a tank with a removable heat transfer coil.
@Mcplumpyboy sure we all know that heat rises right? so with the flat panel lower thatn the water source (bucket, barrel) then hot water wants to find its way to the top of the heat source i.e. the top of the panel, this is why in all flat panel designs the cold water inlet is on the bottom and the hot water outlet is on the top. The hot water flows upwards and will continue until it pours into a container, now in that container the hot will stay on top and the cold will flow down and repeat!!
@Mcplumpyboy I would keep it copper just because but I would suppose any thing would work as long as it was insulated, you could do either PVC or cPVC with insulating sleeves over them, key is to no loose heat!!
thanks for the info = ). btw, keeping in mind that I cannot use a pressure tank (i can probably only use a bucket with a simple valve system,) would I need to lay the coiling flat to fill it up?
I'm doing a project similar to this but it's in an insulated box. How can I use only gravity to build enough pressure to fill the copper tubing (it will be wound, not soldered in my case) with water? thanks
@Mcplumpyboy this one is also in an insulated box, but during this video it was just a free standing manifold. You have to remember as long as the water source is higher than the manifold it will have fall pressure, it may not be much but it will work, a typical assist would be for a solar powered pump or pressure tank to be installed inline.
@kaioli3005 this IS the water heater!, but if you wanted to use it as a pre heater then you would just include it in the cold water line before it goes into the water heater itself.
dude what are you useing to store the water in that is where is the tank ....i have been playing with same sort of set up hee in australia...the major players here who make these things are doing it same way as you are......i have been working on an idea useng the fire extinguisher bottles they have on large dump trucks...
@o0donnie0o, I use a 80 gallon water heater tank to store the hot water in, I have been tinkering with removing all the water form this system and using a Glycol solution in its place and coiling soft copper rolls around a stripped 60 gallon tank, and allowing the thermal siphon effect control the flow of the mixture, making it a closed loop heat transfer system instead of direct use until theres no more hot water, its a work in progress I will be posting more vids very soon!!!
Great video series; it's really inspiring and I like your "Can Do" spirit!
I've been eagerly waiting for "Solar Water Heater Build 9", hoping to see the finished product in action and your comments 7 months into its operation.
Hi, have you tested what the temp would be while the incoming water is coing thru the copper system? like can you take a shower without it going cold after running incoming water thru it...thanks
Yes, this system is set up to run as a thermosyphon, this panel heats the water it holds, approx. 2.5 gallons continually then using the thermosyphon it flows up and into a insulated catch and hold tank, cold water is introduced into the base of that tank from the source and it mingles with the already heated water, then it makes its round, the water used is from the top of the tank and is used conservatively.
I am currently designing pallet tiny houses and other small footprint houses on my site, look up in the description for the link and come over and join, its absolutely free to do so. I post all my house designs 100% free.
thank you kindly storhnz, with a little know how and some time anyone can make these and start to get out from under the utility company's grasp, I am busy getting ready to build my off grid cob home and as soon as thats done I will be posting the completed water heater and installation videos!!!
Awesome man do it to it!!! I have full plans on my site w3 dot offgridhomesteading dot c om, click the paypal store at the top right and then EBOOKS link and you will find the complete step by step plans, I lay it all out from A to Z, Let me know how it goes and please upload what you do for all to see.
You mentioned flux earlier. Regarding the sealing of the pipes, did you use standard solder (the type one uses for circuit soldering?) or something different? Doesnt solder start loosening with the high heat?
Thank you Justin, The solder used on copper pipes is a rosin core solder not the type used on electricity which is a soft lead solder. Plumbing lead free solder requires a temperature of about 217 °C or greater to melt, and water is steam by that point.
somewhat similar yes, too bad that dr, stinky doesn't show more info on how he made it and temperatures, his system uses small 1/4" flexible copper also, his system might hold 1/2 a gallon, mine holds about 2 gallons. my system also will be insulated and in an enclosed panel with a glass over boosting the temperature.
awesome dude; I know you want to leave the back silver but It will reflect the heat back to the atmosphere. By painting it black to your absorbing more heat in a small area thus hotter water, trust me do a test and let me know you should get at least 10 more degrees...... LATER FROM THE WEST COAST
Nice work guys!
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runningbear27 4 days ago
I've checked your other videos but you don't have one of this project completed and installed. Did you ever get it that far?
STARFIRESOLAR 2 months ago
@STARFIRESOLAR I do have it finished but not installed, as you can see by my others videos I have been pretty busy building homes, I will be installing this unit in March at the cob cordwood bathroom I am building.
TheDudeRulez09 2 months ago
You should be using a cup to catch the water. Drops cool as they fall, not a true reading.
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You need to change the flow lay out, instead of having T fittings you need it to be a single directional flow. That way the water is in the pipe for the maximum amount of time as well as an equal amount of time. As someone else has also said the pipe diamater needs to be much much smaller. In Heat reduction you want as much surface area as possible. The same principal works here, if you get pipe that is less then half of the diamater and get the flow going all in one direction = higher temp
daheist 5 months ago
Sorry, as I said, do not mean to rain on your parade...i'm not suggesting it not a worker, but having made bit of copper work, it's somthing i've looked at and thought about, and gazed at other to try and descibe how to do it better. But of course, here in lies the madness of never being satisfied....you have it and it works, but if you can drag another 3 - 5%, & the price of the virtical tubes goes down, 'cos there smaller. It will always be a compromise.Regards Bob
magna59 6 months ago
@magna59 i just dont understand why a person needs water over 140 degrees? for what?
TheDudeRulez09 6 months ago
@TheDudeRulez09 u mix with cold water ;)
66Deaf 2 months ago
I don't mean to rain on your parade..but 90.6 to 114 degrees..nice but no biscuit..lovely piece of work.. i'm sure the energy companys an't quaking in boots for 24 degs. Nb feature of central heating rads tubing of different sizes, horizonal / vertical, water pressure spreads it's perculation more evenly across the panel verticals.may be achiecevable by crimping the tubes near the inlet tube ? Vaccum box / enclosure 14 Lb/sq inch..it'd collapse,but solicon gel to absorb moisture, would help.
magna59 6 months ago
@magna59 isnt it funny that no matter what aperson does to create a system that working extremely well, another DOUCHE comes along and tries to walk all over it....... All I can say is I enjoy my creation and it does what I need, good luck with yours...
TheDudeRulez09 6 months ago
I have no experience as a welder/fabricator but if you let everyone know approximately where you are, you might get an offer. There is lots of interest in solar anything right now.
GreenSolarGarden 11 months ago
@GreenSolarGarden yeah I am well aware of the interest, I am in Texas close to Houston, but we are on private land so I wont be giving the address, but I would be glad to drive to someone in the west Houston area to get some work done, I would be willing to trade a working unit once they are done.
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
Can you post a pic of the finished product and let us know how well it works?
Everyone knows that still water in a garden hose can reach high temperatures. But what I am wondering if the continuous flow of cold water into the system can still heat the water to a high enough temperature to heat a pool using this method. I really like the idea of the dyi methods. Commercially sold items may work better but they are far too expensive for many.
Let us know. Thanks.
GreenSolarGarden 11 months ago
@GreenSolarGarden this system wouldn't be a direct use one, it is tied into a storage tank that uses the thermo-siphon technique to continually heat water through this manifold, the water you would use comes from the storage tank itself. The system I am working on now uses a glycol solution in place of the water and a coiled copper heat transfer inside the storage tank. I wish I could find a welder/fabricator that would help me create a tank with a removable heat transfer coil.
TheDudeRulez09 11 months ago
Very impressive!!!!!
89clavos 1 year ago
@89clavos THANK YOU!
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
the vid was great! would you mind quickly describing how it worked though? it didnt seem elevated at any point for the heated water
Mcplumpyboy 1 year ago
@Mcplumpyboy sure we all know that heat rises right? so with the flat panel lower thatn the water source (bucket, barrel) then hot water wants to find its way to the top of the heat source i.e. the top of the panel, this is why in all flat panel designs the cold water inlet is on the bottom and the hot water outlet is on the top. The hot water flows upwards and will continue until it pours into a container, now in that container the hot will stay on top and the cold will flow down and repeat!!
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
@TheDudeRulez09 what type of tubing would you recommend to connect to the copper tubing and water source?
Mcplumpyboy 1 year ago
@Mcplumpyboy I would keep it copper just because but I would suppose any thing would work as long as it was insulated, you could do either PVC or cPVC with insulating sleeves over them, key is to no loose heat!!
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
thanks for the info = ). btw, keeping in mind that I cannot use a pressure tank (i can probably only use a bucket with a simple valve system,) would I need to lay the coiling flat to fill it up?
Mcplumpyboy 1 year ago
@Mcplumpyboy here watch this video on thermo-siphon principles, it is perfect for what you are saying!!
watch?v=haXK_-rmzFY
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
I'm doing a project similar to this but it's in an insulated box. How can I use only gravity to build enough pressure to fill the copper tubing (it will be wound, not soldered in my case) with water? thanks
Mcplumpyboy 1 year ago
@Mcplumpyboy this one is also in an insulated box, but during this video it was just a free standing manifold. You have to remember as long as the water source is higher than the manifold it will have fall pressure, it may not be much but it will work, a typical assist would be for a solar powered pump or pressure tank to be installed inline.
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
THANS FOR THE INFO wat was the most you could get out of it peace from belgium
verybigego 1 year ago
@verybigego the highest temp so far was 140 degrees, that more than any person can handle!!
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
How do you tie this into the house hot water heater?
kaioli3005 1 year ago
@kaioli3005 this IS the water heater!, but if you wanted to use it as a pre heater then you would just include it in the cold water line before it goes into the water heater itself.
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
...they are replaced on these trucks every few years an a cost sweet f a to buy .......second hand 50 $
o0donnie0o 1 year ago
dude what are you useing to store the water in that is where is the tank ....i have been playing with same sort of set up hee in australia...the major players here who make these things are doing it same way as you are......i have been working on an idea useng the fire extinguisher bottles they have on large dump trucks...
o0donnie0o 1 year ago
@o0donnie0o, I use a 80 gallon water heater tank to store the hot water in, I have been tinkering with removing all the water form this system and using a Glycol solution in its place and coiling soft copper rolls around a stripped 60 gallon tank, and allowing the thermal siphon effect control the flow of the mixture, making it a closed loop heat transfer system instead of direct use until theres no more hot water, its a work in progress I will be posting more vids very soon!!!
TheDudeRulez09 1 year ago
Imagine a black pool picket fence made like those copper tubings to heat pool all day!
youwildbank 2 years ago
Great video series; it's really inspiring and I like your "Can Do" spirit!
I've been eagerly waiting for "Solar Water Heater Build 9", hoping to see the finished product in action and your comments 7 months into its operation.
Best wishes,
RL Atlanta, GA USA
rlewis1946 2 years ago
Hi, have you tested what the temp would be while the incoming water is coing thru the copper system? like can you take a shower without it going cold after running incoming water thru it...thanks
kchedville 2 years ago
Yes, this system is set up to run as a thermosyphon, this panel heats the water it holds, approx. 2.5 gallons continually then using the thermosyphon it flows up and into a insulated catch and hold tank, cold water is introduced into the base of that tank from the source and it mingles with the already heated water, then it makes its round, the water used is from the top of the tank and is used conservatively.
TheDudeRulez09 2 years ago
the average temp is around 110 degrees in the sun.
TheDudeRulez09 2 years ago
dear TheDudeRulez09
very much appriciated you friendly reaction..
and even more you plans of showing the entire installation
looking forward to your future instructions
and many thanks again even in advance
I think you will give a lot of good of worthy and valuable advices again an help a lot of poeple to get there own efficient setups done.
thanks again
storhnz
storhnz 2 years ago
No Problem storhnz,
I am currently designing pallet tiny houses and other small footprint houses on my site, look up in the description for the link and come over and join, its absolutely free to do so. I post all my house designs 100% free.
TheDudeRulez09 2 years ago
thanks very much ..best presentation and information you are one of the best on here had a look at all of them ....
storhnz 2 years ago
thank you kindly storhnz, with a little know how and some time anyone can make these and start to get out from under the utility company's grasp, I am busy getting ready to build my off grid cob home and as soon as thats done I will be posting the completed water heater and installation videos!!!
TheDudeRulez09 2 years ago
Something I could use to heat my bath water in the Philippines. Thanks dudes
ersimpao 2 years ago
I want to use your design to heat a 2nd water heater to heat my trailer at night. thanks
scoobydog411 2 years ago
Awesome man do it to it!!! I have full plans on my site w3 dot offgridhomesteading dot c om, click the paypal store at the top right and then EBOOKS link and you will find the complete step by step plans, I lay it all out from A to Z, Let me know how it goes and please upload what you do for all to see.
TheDudeRulez09 2 years ago
Great video.
You mentioned flux earlier. Regarding the sealing of the pipes, did you use standard solder (the type one uses for circuit soldering?) or something different? Doesnt solder start loosening with the high heat?
JustifyJustin 2 years ago
Thank you Justin, The solder used on copper pipes is a rosin core solder not the type used on electricity which is a soft lead solder. Plumbing lead free solder requires a temperature of about 217 °C or greater to melt, and water is steam by that point.
TheDudeRulez09 2 years ago
Thanks for showing the build, its similar to another solar water heater on youtube /watch?v=QTO4aQZ9LI8 that has been operating for 30 years!
0urGaia 2 years ago
somewhat similar yes, too bad that dr, stinky doesn't show more info on how he made it and temperatures, his system uses small 1/4" flexible copper also, his system might hold 1/2 a gallon, mine holds about 2 gallons. my system also will be insulated and in an enclosed panel with a glass over boosting the temperature.
TheDudeRulez09 2 years ago
awesome dude; I know you want to leave the back silver but It will reflect the heat back to the atmosphere. By painting it black to your absorbing more heat in a small area thus hotter water, trust me do a test and let me know you should get at least 10 more degrees...... LATER FROM THE WEST COAST
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