89 Mutas VS 33 Tempest: Starcraft 2 New Heart of the Swarm Units

[georgster101]

I DON'T CARE IF THEY CAN OWN MUTAS, I WAN'T CARRIERS!

[volume709redemption]

@georgster101 Stop acting like the carrier was good. it fucking sucks and thats the reason its getting taken out you sheep.

[ThePaedoBear]

Why do people make 1:29 videos where the subject of the title starts at 1:16?

[LittleDragonGS]

Did anyone expect a different result?

[thatguywhocomments2]

PLEASE!!!!!!

[fabio10234byu]

At 1:20 I just felt a massive shift in the force as if a thousand mutalisks screamed OH GODDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MultiSteven2011]

can any think bet tham lol

[SekaiKatana]

WTF?! - exact words of my friend lol.

[MrNinjanaut]

so many thats what she said's

[ohAlanho]

1:17 to save time

[HurinsChannel]

a so cute... he said "where should we do it"

[maverick42a]

I would be so mad if that was a real situation and I was the zerg...

So mad.

[FiredRice15]

Do 4 tempest vs 100 muta then it will be an even fight.

[zlac]

riiiiight, this is gonna be just like a mothership black hole of 100 radius preview turning into a 10 radius vortex with invulnerability on units after exit to prevent archon toilet...

and just like blue flame nerf, tank nerf, concussive shell has to be researched, roach regeneration nerf, warp gate time nerf, immortal build time nerf etc...

Ain't gonna happen.

[ffta707]

How are we supposed to counter void ray now? 1 tempest will devour the muta!

[LightElementLord]

@ffta707 hydras....theyr even cheaper!

[TheSpartan1699]

Please tell me they can't attack ground units. Aren't Void Rays bad enough?

[Yangyang428]

@TheSpartan1699

The Tempest's land attack is different and doesn't do splash

[LightElementLord]

@TheSpartan1699 tempest ground attack only good against buildings...marines, hydras and stalkers can kill them very easily

[Titus7of9]

@LightElementLord ya that's the problem. Toss doesn't need more air to air units, they need a strong air to ground like the broodlord. Protoss air sucks in SC2 with the exception of the mothership, which they are taking out... I don't think I'm getting this, toss will just be terrible. Marines and thors shred toss air, and mutas, corruptors, HYDRAS, and even queens are good vs air. If they take anything out they should take out the pheonix, no one relies on it

[LightElementLord]

@Titus7of9 you know the pheonix is good against mutas because it can move while attacking, and has longer range against them

[MrUntti]

1:15 for the fight

[PTZStudio]

HOLLY SHIT

[jabbernaut52733]

When I looked at the actual unit in the preview at blizzcon, I could just look into the future and see magic boxing to avoid thse.....

[PRFxSniper]

omg

[Phenenas]

@moviemaster2010 Dude...if you love the carrier so much, just don't buy Heart of the Swarm.

[LeoLeungFilming]

@Phenenas You cant really do that, the units come in a patch that you can get from the site or by buying the disk, you buy for the campaign

[RBEO22]

Toss are going to need to warp in a car wash after that

[moviemaster2010]

tempest... worst idea ever as u pit carriers vrs mutas and u get the same result, only reason carriers arent good counters is because they are slow expensive and late tier. JUST LIKE THE TEMPEST OMFG BLIZZARD REALLY??????????? JUST SELL THE RIGHTS OF SC2 TO SOMEONE WHO GIVES A SHIT

[MistMidnight]

@moviemaster2010 actually nooo one tempest does splash at a range... one carrier would do maybe 1/15 of the damage before dieing... tempest is a more mobile psy storm it actually looks like it will break late game mutas.

[MistMidnight]

@moviemaster2010 and they are trying to keep the carrier now

[kokeanikilator]

300tempest vs 5000 mutalisk

THIS IS SPARTA

[Wickybizob1]

@kokeanikilator THIS IS AUIR!!! Get it right...

[Awmerica]

Okay i used to be toss.... and i thought mutas were Op so i became Zerg, now i get raped by phonix....... go air vs Zerg and he'll b too scared 2 make mutas.

[MistMidnight]

@Awmerica no good zergs make more mutas just delay a minute and then toss is FUCKED try it workers every time

[grooveheart]

OH! SHIT! THATS BIG ANNOYING ANNOYING PHOENIX!!

[CforCheng]

a 5 second fight and i wait for 1 minute?

[theknightswhosayfrak]

O to the P!

[Exgumator777]

NO.I WANT CARRIERS!!!!!!!!!!!

[MrFrankenstein155]

IT WAS SUPER EFFECTIVE!!!!

[Bfizzle62]

"Where should we do it?"

Oh damn you my dirty mind

[RottingCorpse100]

Needed these earlier

[xFumblez]

I am looking forward to this unit.

[TsunamyArmy]

holy

[GTO19020]

hmmmmm....seems reasonable.....we will probably see them as often as we saw carriers....not very lol

[faanosoccerr]

about time protoss got something to counter mutas

[Ryfasol]

@faanosoccerr .. You mean like Phoenixes? Arguably the best counter to mutas in the game?

[BH0wnBH]

@Ryfasol phoenix suck use storms.. -.-

[heheitsjohnE]

@faanosoccerr Phoenix > Mutas

[MistMidnight]

@heheitsjohnE on paper yes in the game only to a point saddly that point ends at the 12 min mark when muta numbers are 2 high and u waisted ur money on phenioxs

[arcanepow]

@darkfoxx999 It is OP it is another voidray but with splash damage... Nobody calls the banelings OP because many of the banelings can be killed before landing any hits and the terran can micro his marines away behind some tanks or shit like tht... yes A moving some mutas shows the splash damage of the tempest and nobody is going to have what 30 tempest anyway but still...

[Thulldorn]

there goes 18k resources

[TheStillenacht]

i like how zerg is in the position to remax instantly on roach

[KeeperOfDGroove]

@TheStillenacht hmm but dont the tempests have a ground attack? not like they d do enough to stop a remaxed army of roaches that might just burrow move to reduce damage lol

[Trepi80]

how much do they coast?



[KeeperOfDGroove]

@Trepi80 im gonna assume since they re replacing carriers that they might cost just as much as carriers, which is like i dunno 350 minerals and 300 gas? not sure

[Yahwehtism]

Finally, something against the dreadful mutas in ZvP.

[Ryfasol]

@Yahwehtism Phoenixes.

[Yahwehtism]

@Ryfasol

Except Phoenixes will never be efficient versus mutas. They are simply way too hard to micro properly and mutas splash will be the doom of them in a regular fight. Not to mention their cost and how much longer it takes to get a proper amount of them out.

[stretch90]

@Yahwehtism

lol, I don't know what you're talking. Phoenix are possibly the easiest unit to micro because they can attack while moving. And they rip through mutas because the amount of damage they do to light units combined with their attack speed.

[Yahwehtism]

@stretch90

The only way phoenix can win versus mutas is to stay in the zone where they can shoot mutas but mutas cant shoot back. It involved grouping them up and kiting, which is very hard when playing as and versus fast units.

Look at any pro stream or game and see if they counter mutas by teching up phoenixes.

[stretch90]

@Yahwehtism

if they have a stargate they always go phoenix to counter mutas. And once a zerg player sees phoenix they stop building mutas right away.

Phoenix move faster, shoot faster, and do wayyyy more damage than mutas. against 10 mutas you can win with only 5 phoenix without microing. And honestly, phoenix micro is the easiest in the game.

[Yahwehtism]

@stretch90

No he doesn't. Do you have any idea how many stargates and chronoboosts you have to spend on (easy to counter) phoenixes to even come on par with a zerg going mutas off 3 bases?

Anyone even foolish enough to attempt a real mass phoenix build would get demolished by just a few resources spent on corruptors (which only negative side is supply cost). Phoenixes are faster and stronger, but mutas produce faster, harass better, aren't easily countered and splash a lot.

[xPtkfgsx]

@Yahwehtism

Marines easily counter mutas.

[stretch90]

@Yahwehtism

mutalisks are the easiest unit to counter for protoss. I don't know if you play the game or not, but trust me Phoenix counter mutalisks better than anything, and mainly because they can potentially kill all of them without even getting hit.

mutalisks only work if they surprise the toss. If they see it coming, it's game over.

[MistMidnight]

@stretch90 incorrect immessly.. pheniox are only good early game against muta the numbers of mutas increase way to quickly... muta only into broods is becoming very very popular against toss so much so they added a range upgrade to pheniox...

[stretch90]

@MistMidnight

protoss has so many ways of dealing with mutas besides phoenix. stalkers +sentries rape mutas, not to mention storms and archons as well.

That range upgrade is one of the dumbest buffs I've seen from blizzard. If the zerg is investing all his money into muta and protoss only want to get 5 or so phoenix to fight them off, then they deserve to lose.

[MistMidnight]

@stretch90 i am not meaning to insult u. but what lvl of play do u play at and do u watch the pros? range upgrade actually will not help at all because by the point u get a fleet beacon zerg has 2 many mutas and to much damage has been dealt. the only way to deal with mass muta is blink and storm and i am very good at this personally but its now the biggest challange for toss (and arcons do not work 2 easy to magic box). The micro of mutas against pheniox isn;t hard when u have high numbers

[MistMidnight]

@stretch90 stalkers/sentries are actually both very weak against mutas. stalkers are very low damage to light and 2 big not enough of them can shoot. required and if the mutas snipe the Templar protecting Ur base and buying time for stalkers to pull back... u have to rally units to expansions to buy time and if u just bunker down its an instant gg ... u may move out and base race but u will lose for sure. (ps masters zerg and toss player) u need to basicly match zerg in expo if hes mutaing

[MistMidnight]

@Yahwehtism no to mention switching to roach if pheniox numbers do reach a mass that could handle mutas and the games over again...

[MistMidnight]

@stretch90 sorry ur wrong! yahwehtism is correct. pheniox are GREAT agaisnt mutas BUT! only to a certain amount... pros build them and then stop because once mutas mass pheniox cannot do anything. mutas split 1 a to 2 different spots u can not split and micro 2 groups of pheniox at the same time but u can do it with mutas. the damage is done and 90% of muta will return to tell the tail... storm blink and map presence with zealots rallying to oposite side of mutas is only way to handle mass muta

[stretch90]

@MistMidnight

Yeah, so you don't need mass phoenix. Protoss has a ton of options to stop mutas, stalkers and sentries rip mutas apart, place them in key areas in your base and you're fine.

In so many pro games zergs will try to harass with mass muta and not have a good ground army, so eventually the toss just rolls through their base killing everything. This complaining about mutas is so overdone it's not funny.

[MistMidnight]

@stretch90 watch the games more closely... and those are games that the zerg tries to have a ground army... the new style is mass expanding and spine crawler like mad. if u push out 100% u lose everything to mutas and by time all the spines are dealt with u have no army (because the army thats good against muta is shit against spine) and zerg can tho units away at u none stop and then pull mutas back to clean up. stalker century is SHIT against mutas (meaning they do not rip them apart)

[MistMidnight]

@stretch90 as i said before the ONE way to deal with mutas is storm and map presence sending zealots / dts to bases away from mutas/ warp prism to try and control where the mutas are so u can defend... as well as storms need to be very well timed and if muta snipe ht is game for that base. eventually if u sit back one 2 (three if ur lucky) bases the zerg just pushes sacs mutas and goes mass broods for the win... u can no just leave stalkers in key areas it does not work against good players.

[stretch90]

@MistMidnight

There's lots of ways to beat mass muta, not just one.

The standard build, stalker/colossus/sentry will beat muta ling any day as long as you're not retarded.

That's why this buff is kinda bs anyway. It's a huge investment to get this upgrade and Blizzard did that because it's not even necessary. The meta game always changes and people always have ways of dealing with these builds. Protoss players need to stop crying about this.

[MistMidnight]

@stretch90 LMAO... we are not talking about ling muta were talking about muta and if u DARE risk getting collosus before storm the games over on the spot. sense toss is so easy how about we do a 1v1 i will go muta against u ... u plz try stalker sentry. the reason its on the fleet beacon is so that the zerg player has a chance to use mutas. they added it because it is a problem.... if it wasn;t a problem the buff would never of been added

[stretch90]

@MistMidnight

alright, lets try a 1v1.

And you're saying just pure muta? No lings at all? What's going to stop the toss from demolishing your base?

sentry guardian shield with stalkers backing them up will rip mutas apart.

[MistMidnight]

@stretch90 lings are situational at the begining they are much needed late game all ur minerals are in expanding drones and spine till u have crippled the toss and then mutas or broods will finish it easily. and if u try to go sentry gaurdian shield u will insta lose message me ur gamertag and pin i will do the same

[Darkfoxx999]

For all you people calling this OP the Tempest are DESIGNED to counter mutalisk, no one calls banelings raping a bunch of marines op because thats what they're SUPPOSE to do.

And besides he didn't even magic box his mutas, clumped mtuas = maximum splash damage

GG no re

[NoDoubtFilms]

@Darkfoxx999 But why do we NEED another unit to counter mutas? They already sucked against anything that could hit them...

[Bruni101]

WTF?

[Ak3R0]

@Lee67734 lol, l2p zerg^^

[Mikeanglo]

How come all the new units are freakin zerg counters?

[Darkfoxx999]

@Mikeanglo Tempests are Protoss's new Teir 3 air do you really think Zerg "T1" Air was really going to have a chance

[bakuprof]

Wtf those are mutarapers

[sciencemon]

more rape than destiny's ling b-ling rpae

[AdvocatusMortis]

the video starts at 1:09

[NanashiStarCraft]

seems balanced to me

[wertyuil1]

@NanashiStarCraft its called a "counter", my friend

[sloomer555]

lucky i only use mutas against terran anyway.

[ChiyosukeBLC]

i'ts like throwing a bunch of any units into a group of marines

[H4RdSTyl3XD]

wtf OP units now i feel bad for the zerg's again i hate to do that xD

[Darkfoxx999]

@H4RdSTyl3XD They cost like 3 times as much... thats not op

[yoinhell]

wadsworth constant applies.

[Spinoots20]

holy shit haha

[McsTarget]

yeah that doesn't contribute to the death ball at all

[TheProtossChannel]

Well, some stupid morons think the Tempest will be the counter to mutas. Seeing as the Tempest has been announced as a 300/300, 6supply unit which requires the Fleet Beacon to be produced, it is more expensive than a colossus and takes longer to produce. Which means the Protoss is gonna need at least 3 bases to produce them without being overwhelmed by roach-ling roach-hydra or pure roaches. Seeing as Mutas deny the 3rd, and that's the fucking problem, we have no solution in the Tempest.

[Realthx]

@TheProtossChannel mutas only deny the third if your build is bad to begin with

[Schandro8]

just watch the last 8 seconds....

[mileister]

O.o O.o O.o

[LoyalGene]

BALANCED!

[Magickennyd]

@dawnmoon90 This is a HOTS mod dumbshit, they haven't realesd the actual models for modders yet..

[ReanimatedCheese]

This doesnt seem majorly OP, you can get about the same result with max thor

[FailCow]

@ReanimatedCheese Whats OP is that Zerg doesn't have any super unit that does splash though.... Don't even name the ultralisk. Thats a FailLisk.

[ReanimatedCheese]

@FailCow but thats the thing about zerg, their units are suppose to be cheaper and faster to make and lower supply but at a cost of making them weaker. The tempest is slow so you have to abuse that. Letting someone mass up tempest is like letting someone mass up Thors almost a guaranteed lose if you do nothing about it early on. I wouldn't be complaining as much, next expansion Zerg gets a nice boost.

[wensp167]

@ReanimatedCheese too bad there is no thor in HoTS

[ReanimatedCheese]

@wensp167 =(

But theres the uber Thor >=D

[wensp167]

@ReanimatedCheese do u rly think a thor can go up against 89 mutas?

[LeoLeungFilming]

@ReanimatedCheese i think the uber Thor can only attack ground units

[ReanimatedCheese]

@LeoLeungFilming yeah =( still pretty awesome though.

[Ladiesman2177934]

@wensp167 There is. Thor isn't removed.

[wensp167]

@Ladiesman2177934  yea u only get one

[Ladiesman2177934]

@wensp167 CUZ IT'S TEH THOR, and it has 500 hp, deals 70 dmg.

[wensp167]

@Ladiesman2177934 XD it does 70 damage to ground and 40-ish to air

[Ladiesman2177934]

@wensp167 The new Thor can't hit air, noob.

[wensp167]

@Ladiesman2177934 how would u know?

[Ladiesman2177934]

@wensp167 I was at Blizzcon when they announced HOTS. There was a lot of HOTS-beta booths and the new Thor being ground-attack only was amongst the few "final" changes.

[MistMidnight]

@wensp167 he his correct new thor is not suppose to be able to attack air

[erkislerk]

Why do these types of videos always contain a whole fucking minute of shit before hand?

[SpinyStarCraft]

lookin op nice

[doggysweep]

"u ready?" "Yeah" "where should we do it?" " I dunno ill come to you" "Ok" "Rdy?" "Yeah" SEX!!!

[neozxa]

Yes, but that's because the Thor's splash isn't as big as the Tempest's. The Tempest's splash (currently) is about as big as a Psi Storm or maybe a Baneling's.

[TheFIRESTARX]

I forsee no possible ballence issues with this :D

[SupahAznNinja]

Chat:

Where should we do it?

i'll move into you

Thats what she said

0:57

[doomsy]

battle starts at 1:18

[MusicReign]

seems just alittle bit op... ^^

[snexer]

@MusicReign nope. its like un-microed clumped up marines vs banelings.

[neozxa]

@snexer So we have to split air units vs toss now? Damn.

[snexer]

@neozxa you dont split up mutas vs thors either. its simply a counter.

[itrencher222]

Similar to Doncroft's comment, how good is their ground attack?I would love to be able to use them now, I just started playing 1 week ago and damn are zerg mutas annoying... But if they can only counter ONE unit... I don't know it may not be worth it.

[shuuushii]

Thats what she said... on the chats ;)

[GRRStarcraft]

Skip to 1:17

[MistMidnight]

@dawnmoon90 LMAO idiot

[FilthyMedia]

they're so slow though...

[slicky342]

What movement speed do they have? I understand they demolish light air units, but if they cannot keep up, I don't think it's a great solution.

[TheEvillBliZz]

OVVVVVVVVVVVVVVERRRRRRRRRRRKIL­LLLLLLLLLL

[darkness35]

that's a gigantic phoenix.

[kokeanikilator]

WOW 3 hits pwnage lol i want that unit rite nao!

[YouSirAreNoob]

people are crying over this but the tempest is the counter to mutas...not surprising the outcome. that'd be like a terran crying that banes own his marines or a zerg crying that immortals pwn his roaches. or protoss crying that marines own everything toss has except out of range colossus, perfectly placed storms, or lots of archons

[zaihtaMHS]

@YouSirAreNoob Not everything have a hardcounter, and mutas doesn't need a hardcounter.

[zaihtaMHS]

This is bullshit, fuck blizzard.

[Mitarohmar]

@zaihtaMHS This is fanmade, they will most likely be quite a bit different in the actual expansion.

[IAmUh]

Should've been a 10 second video.

[Rko453]

:O omfg bye my mutaling strategy :(

[VuStarcraft]

lol this is is going to be soo unbalanced xD

[LeonPowalski1]

cant wait to see idra GG to halluc tempests

[yoshispark7]

tempest look like pheonix and why why did they replace the carrier it was my favorite unit

[JensMcH]

@yoshispark7 wtf

[zenonzazira]

@yoshispark7 they wont look like that but they still are not a reason to get rid of carriers

[Jman93rd10]

he lost 2 tempest in that engagement



[rednick06]

try 10 tempes



[MrRucknroll]

20 tempests could prollly kill that many maybe less

[thomulf]

nice modding on the phoenixes... are the stats accurate?

[dustynutz406]

omg

YES!!!

[MrTheocarinanoob]

i am not playing starcraft 2 any more because my main strategy just got evaporated thanks for makin another one of your games easy enough for a five year old to beat blizzard

[therealjordiano]

@MrTheocarinanoob well it is a strategy game, so try a different strategy. >_>

[gameguy301]

@MrTheocarinanoob this is a fan made custom map not the finished game chill out, i highly doubt that tempests will be that good.

[Snaglebagel]

@MrTheocarinanoob wtf is this i dont even understand your logic, either vry stupid or xprt troll

[Massi97100]

LoL!

[bananian]

Now that you solved the mass muta problem, how do you solve the mass tempest problem?

[RumbleTea]

@bananian my first idea was magic boxed corrupters... lets see if that works ;)

[Doncroft1]

Now...how do they do vs Marines?

[letsgameguy]

@Doncroft1 not very strong only thier air hits more then one unit

[PwngeTrooper]

@Doncroft1 I'm guessing just as bad as Carriers....

[Rockwarrior2004]

@PwngeTrooper Carriers are not bad.