I'm a professional videographer uploading to Vimeo and I use the Nikon D90 this camera has its flaws like others equipment but this video is off by a lot. First off.. He does not have the camera set to max quality and second.. He is PURPOSELY shaking the camera of course your going to get these results with a low frame rate DSLR. Watch many other videos and you'll see that the D90 is not as bad as most every says it is.
@jmwsee We did shoot at the maximum video quality setting on the D90 for this video, but the video was compressed for the YouTube upload. You are correct that we did purposely pan the camera back and forth quickly, but we thought that was obvious. That's the whole idea behind a rolling shutter effect—during quick pans, the camera's sensor can't catch up to the image fast enough, so the bottom and top will bend in different directions. This is a common flaw with DSLRs.
@jmwsee That definitely may be true. But we can't simply ignore a problem for that reason. We just want to inform people that it's there and it will occur if you pan back and forth quickly. We've also compared it to newer DSLRs and Nikon has gotten better with its rolling shutter (as have many video-DSLR manufacturers) in the past year.
@RamiroR thanks for the reply man. i was also told by a friend that cmos sensors were the reason gadgets became cheaper. he said CCD is a much expensive thing to produce.
D-90 Gets very popular in South asia Even For the big budget movie - coz of its real Life Shots! great in True R G B - Thanks tothe D-90 crafts....i Have two D-90 With 5 Extra custom made leses Works really betted than my arri flex / Film cost cts too...
Thanks for uploading the video to show its downfalls, very useful for me. I wish they didnt have this jello effect, as I reeeeally want to be able to make HD videos, and I cant afford an SLR and an HD camcorder, so would be great to have 2 in one. But I dont like Nikons much and the canon 500d (has video) is not as good as some other canon SLRs :(
because the sensor (and its readout method), probably wasn't designed specifically with movies in mind, there are some interesting effects that can be induced. The readout of the sensor means movies are created with a rolling shutter (horizontal lines of the image are scanned, one after another, rather than the whole scene being grabbed in one go). This makes wiggly or diagonal images.
They were trying to shake it, because that's what produced the 'bending' effect of the objects (as in the case of the trash can). This is the fundamental flaw with filming video using a camera as opposed to a camcorder, and they were exposing it.
it is not a VR issue it is a Processing speed issue. + the sensor signal output speed. CMOS are generally slow for video recording. This is commonly know as the Jello-Effect or the rolling shutter issue, I hope I am correct on this... ?
I don't think the Canon DSLRs have video recording. Hmmm unless they just released one. It's caused by the rolling shutter and it's not really a problem unless you want to use the camera for lots of different recording scenarios.
Hmmm I couldn't find the film you were talking about. But I did find some other test footage that does seem A LOT better than the D90. I wish it wasn't so expensive though :-(
The problem is that it requires a very extensive redesign of the circuitry.
Nikon made the mistake of thinking they could just plop ordinary video DSP's into a still cam and make history. What they made was a very expensive high def webcam.
Now you know why a RED is bigger and more expensive. Because it WORKS...and it has a CMOS sensor...a very very FAST one.
I'm a professional videographer uploading to Vimeo and I use the Nikon D90 this camera has its flaws like others equipment but this video is off by a lot. First off.. He does not have the camera set to max quality and second.. He is PURPOSELY shaking the camera of course your going to get these results with a low frame rate DSLR. Watch many other videos and you'll see that the D90 is not as bad as most every says it is.
jmwsee 3 weeks ago
@jmwsee We did shoot at the maximum video quality setting on the D90 for this video, but the video was compressed for the YouTube upload. You are correct that we did purposely pan the camera back and forth quickly, but we thought that was obvious. That's the whole idea behind a rolling shutter effect—during quick pans, the camera's sensor can't catch up to the image fast enough, so the bottom and top will bend in different directions. This is a common flaw with DSLRs.
camcorderinfodotcom 3 weeks ago
@camcorderinfodotcom Well I don't think any videographer would actually shake the camera vigorously so I don't see that too much of a problem.
jmwsee 3 weeks ago
@jmwsee That definitely may be true. But we can't simply ignore a problem for that reason. We just want to inform people that it's there and it will occur if you pan back and forth quickly. We've also compared it to newer DSLRs and Nikon has gotten better with its rolling shutter (as have many video-DSLR manufacturers) in the past year.
camcorderinfodotcom 1 week ago
To everyone complaining, why would you buy this for video? It's a DSLR! Not a camcorder!
DrZeeb 1 year ago 5
The Foundry's Rolling Shutter plugin for Nuke is very effective a getting rid of this problem.
daveandgoliathstudio 1 year ago
The only thing keeping me from buying a good dslr to shoot video with.
akanathan 2 years ago 3
quality i like d90 over 5d but i feel this jello effect is more seen in the d90 which sucks for video makers!
henrox555 2 years ago
my nokia n70 and nokia 6600 cam phones do this to0.. does that mean my cam phones have cmos sensors to?
N6600 2 years ago
@N6600
Most likely, they wouldn't use CCD for cam phones, they are more energy hungry.
RamiroR 1 year ago
@RamiroR thanks for the reply man. i was also told by a friend that cmos sensors were the reason gadgets became cheaper. he said CCD is a much expensive thing to produce.
N6600 1 year ago
D-90 Gets very popular in South asia Even For the big budget movie - coz of its real Life Shots! great in True R G B - Thanks tothe D-90 crafts....i Have two D-90 With 5 Extra custom made leses Works really betted than my arri flex / Film cost cts too...
MegaDonor 2 years ago
Thanks for uploading the video to show its downfalls, very useful for me. I wish they didnt have this jello effect, as I reeeeally want to be able to make HD videos, and I cant afford an SLR and an HD camcorder, so would be great to have 2 in one. But I dont like Nikons much and the canon 500d (has video) is not as good as some other canon SLRs :(
ByeByeBelly 2 years ago
because the sensor (and its readout method), probably wasn't designed specifically with movies in mind, there are some interesting effects that can be induced. The readout of the sensor means movies are created with a rolling shutter (horizontal lines of the image are scanned, one after another, rather than the whole scene being grabbed in one go). This makes wiggly or diagonal images.
ByeByeBelly 2 years ago
Yeah this is lame though. I surely did not like this but most filming with the d90 seems amazing.
jboogie2192 2 years ago
It only happens when you zoom, i know i got one, but the video quality sucks quite a bit
idie22 2 years ago
I was dizzy looking at the recording...
cjosephwu 2 years ago
WTF
darkestshow 3 years ago
Ever heard of a tripod?
iRidr 3 years ago
They were trying to shake it, because that's what produced the 'bending' effect of the objects (as in the case of the trash can). This is the fundamental flaw with filming video using a camera as opposed to a camcorder, and they were exposing it.
jermant2 2 years ago 8
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How about turning off the VR?
tomdublin07 2 years ago
it is not a VR issue it is a Processing speed issue. + the sensor signal output speed. CMOS are generally slow for video recording. This is commonly know as the Jello-Effect or the rolling shutter issue, I hope I am correct on this... ?
LTF85199 2 years ago 6
maybe you can upgrade it so it doesn't do it?
joewizard100 2 years ago
Does the Canon have this problem at all or just the Nikon? Since this seems to be such a big flaw, do you think Nikon might 'recall' their 'lemons'?
cathytai 3 years ago
I don't think the Canon DSLRs have video recording. Hmmm unless they just released one. It's caused by the rolling shutter and it's not really a problem unless you want to use the camera for lots of different recording scenarios.
LukeWratten 3 years ago
Check out the La Foret video made with the new Canon EOS 5 Mark ll.
cathytai 3 years ago
Hmmm I couldn't find the film you were talking about. But I did find some other test footage that does seem A LOT better than the D90. I wish it wasn't so expensive though :-(
LukeWratten 3 years ago
Canon EOS 5D Mark II has video recording ;) Probably the new ones will also have. The price of 5D MK II is ~2500 € for body
lakers1993 2 years ago
The 5D has excellent video quality, but unfortunately still has this 'jelly' wiggly effect. Because thats just what happens with a cmos sensor
ByeByeBelly 2 years ago
please view my video "Australian 20 cent coin takes centre stage" to see the effect of rolling shutter, rolling shutter is not all bad!
babnbub 3 years ago
take a look at some of my videos to see how good the D90 can look in youtube HD
eyepatchentertainmen 3 years ago
yeah fuck the HD video its still an awesome DSLR
for the money!
astro1218 3 years ago
stupid sample of video cut
sound9000 3 years ago
Why does everybody forget that die Nikon D90 is a DSLR an NOT a camcorder! The video function is just a bonus.
Scream13579 3 years ago 4
Oh sorry! Of cource "the Nikon D90" and not "die Nikon D90". Germenglish :-)
Scream13579 3 years ago
UNACCEPTABLE
will4ward 3 years ago
U talking about the 5D Mark II? How do u adjust the rolling shutters?
prmass1 3 years ago
I noticed this when I first got the camera... and it sucks.
gametavern 3 years ago
Crappy video for a $1K DSLR.
awsomenesscaleb 3 years ago
Rolling shutter rates can be adjusted.
The problem is that it requires a very extensive redesign of the circuitry.
Nikon made the mistake of thinking they could just plop ordinary video DSP's into a still cam and make history. What they made was a very expensive high def webcam.
Now you know why a RED is bigger and more expensive. Because it WORKS...and it has a CMOS sensor...a very very FAST one.
deepfreezevideo 3 years ago
looks like Ubuntu. LOL
PointCarpetMovies 3 years ago 2
fuck CMOS. that looks like shit. wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey
zice39 3 years ago