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  • It doesn't matter how much you spend, if you don't spend it effectively.

  • how do you know the usa is going to fail very soon, this guy somehow lost his seat, how can that happen?

  • could be

  • I wish this had made it to law.

  • Let's declare war on Poverty.

  • Great idea. Let's cut defense spending first and then the bloated farm subsidies to mega-Ag corporations (Bachman gets $25k/year farm subsidy).

  • when are conservatives going to learn that the 'conservatives' we have in gov't (at least 90% of the Repubs), are NEOCONS, who are NOT conservative. They are conservative only when it comes to holding hypocritical moral values, and cutting from programs that help the weakest amongst us. When it comes to things that benefit them, like upper class tax breaks, the military industrial complex, and private industry kick-backs, they are total liberals.

  • worthless fuck

  • Well, I think we know why the neocons got rid of him! He's lucky he just lost his seat in congress....

  • All right Wisconsin Dems. GET ON BOARD!

  • He talk from heart without paper in front of him

  • Weiner/Grayson 2012! encourage you to check Rep. WEINER take on republicans! He's also great!

  • you know as bad as you guys think he is, which he is. don't dare say this bill was bad.

  • Love this guys ties. He should start a line like Jerry Garcia.

  • @APRtunedAudi Forget it buddy, I gave up on Mr Paul and on Kucinich! They are just way too smart for the morons who are walking around in this country with the privilege to vote! As George Carlin once stated, We got some dumb ass Mutha fuckers floating around out there! Indeed we do.!

  • Corporate America could not afford to have this guy in office, so they had to make sure he was voted out! They used a bunch of illiterates morons called the tea party! LMFAO! You tea party idiots are a joke! So are you America, why would you vote this man out you idiots?

  • live off the grid, self sustainable, live in the loop of non profit, don't let the government touch your money, don't become a part of the consumer market, do not become a puppet to serve the weapon investors' dreams. think well. how smart are we supposed to be? don't pick up aggression and hatred. walk away and don't let them provoke you. we might not be able to take everyone with us. well. my computer keyboard is made of petro, it is tinted with blood. No, I am done with this men's way. Done.

  • 23 dislikes = 23 right winged tools!

  • What a BAMF....

  • Did this bill pass?

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  • I make 32k a year... I pay about 4000 in taxes... I like this bill.

  • Grayson+Kuchinich 2012!!!

  • on the second your voters introduced the grayson is out of congress act. enjoy your retirement moron.

  • He was such a hero, and an inspiration to all of us. A true leader of the people. What a bunch of bullshit! Hurray! We finally got rid of this classless, obnoxious, loud mouth asshole. Victory is mine at last!!!! Bye bye Alan DisGrayson!!!! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!!!! 

  • @MustangMalone To bad you can't handle someone speaking truth to power...my advice to you ~~ go fuck yourself...

  • @paulreider You first DICKHEAD!!!!! Bye bye Alan DisGrayson!!!!! LOL!!!!!

  • @paulreider Truth to power? Power to the people right? Give me a break!!!!!

  • Please beat Taliban Dan ,Mr.Grayson. Only YOU can save America!!

    Keep Grayson in office Florida!! PLEASE!!!!!!

  • Alan, the house has called you back in session this week...

    Now clean out your desk !!!! YOUR FIRED ~~~!!!!!!!!

    America wants your political career to....DIE QUICKLY !!!!!

    Hlaaah...Haaaaa.....haaa...Bla­­hhh...Haaaa......political career to....DIE QUICKLY....Hlaaaa.....HAAAAA..­­..... Pzsttttttttttttt...... PISS ON GRAYSON.

  • The Rent Is Too Damn High Party needs to get on board with this.

  • Alan Grayson

    puts the Fear of God

    into the Neocons.

  • @ryanshaunkelly Alan, the house has called you back in session this week...

    Now clean out your desk !!!! YOUR FIRED ~~~!!!!!!!!

    America wants your political career to....DIE QUICKLY !!!!!

    Hlaaah...Haaaaa.....haaa...Bla­­hhh...Haaaa......political career to....DIE QUICKLY....Hlaaaa.....HAAAAA..­­..... Pzsttttttttttttt...... PISS ON GRAYSON.

  • All in favor??

  • I can guarantee that the GOP will be against this bill because it will put an end to the big profits the defense industry has been raking in.

  • The proposed action is inadequate. The trillions assessed to the taxpayers is grossly negligent. Much money is funneled into private corporate interest. This is criminal mismanagement on the part of our government and should be ground for dismissal of all in participation exploiting their power for personal gain. The large allottment should be returned to the people. The smaller amount is more than adequate to fund any real threat this country suffers. Private industry is the winner of this game

  • That's one of the best ways to get a Tea Partier into a foaming frenzy - tell them that "Yes, you want tax cuts, we'll give you tax cuts....we'll just get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and then you'll get that money back!"

    When they (mostly) say "HELL NO!", that's when they show their hypocrisy, as well as their true motives for supporting those wars (fear and/or racism). Those few Tea Partiers who do agree tend to be well-meaning Libertarians who don't understand how the GOP has duped them....

  • November 2nd.  Boot DISGRACE-SON.

  • @NoMercyJustCruelty Clever insult. How long did it take you to think of that one? Grayson is by far the best out of all the Democrats, name one Republican that is COMPARABLE to him. Grayson gets shit done. Period.

  • It takes a lot of money to be a world wide thug.

  • All that's left of America is a monster army. But thats all you need to build an Empire so it's all good.

  • @idontfkinknow1234 No state ever benefits from a protracted war. An army on the march costs 20 times more than an army garrisoned or an army at home. The longer the war, the less worthwhile the spoils. You can make your nation wealthy, or you fight a war for a long time -- you cannot do both.

  • Really long wars bankrupt the state.

    Enemies of superpowers have learned throughout history that the best way to defeat a superior military is not through force of arms, but to bankrupt it through provocation. This worked with the Romans, it worked with the Spanish, it worked with the British, it worked with the Soviets, and its working with the Americans.

  • November can't come soon enough!

    Search for 'Alan Grayson is insane' on youtube and checkout the iPad spoof.

  • @bootgrayson Yeah, let's get rid of the few honest people left in congress so that the great mass of corrupt sleazebags will be free to consolidate their interests and we will finally see just how low America can really go! Hail Satan!

  • USA criminals in action.

  • what a lunatic. just like the circus called the Democratic Party. OUT thank God in Nov 2010!!!

  • @uzimodem You're right, it's madness to point out that the US is spending as much on its military as every other country in the world combined. I mean, how is it possibly relevant that it's 5x what China spends, or 10x what Russia spends. We could be attacked by ALIENS, or we might just want to INVADE THE WORLD for the hell of it. HOORAH!

  • @strakha0 :ahh the liberal cogs at work in your somewhat limited brain. keep it up. there is a "truthers" meeting with Van Jones in your nieghborhood I believe. Have fun!!

  • @uzimodem No, really, I'm with you 100% bro, I sleep better at night knowing that if Aliens attack, we'll have double the firepower to draw on. Also, who else will keep us safe from the evil democrats and their terrorists allies?

  • @strakha0 oh....okay.

  • It makes total sense- therefore it will never make it into law.

  • For anyone else who wants to look up Grayson's comments, do a search with the term "Alan Grayson on the GOP Health Care Plan." Can't post the link directly in the box as the system screens it out.

  • Who could be the 22 that thumbs down to this video?

  • dude USA is not a republic anymore.. We are an empire.. Remember we have about a 1000 military bases around the world and about 100 countries. Ron Paul was talking about this during the presidential debate but no one else payed attention to him. He also talked about the coming economic collapse.

  • does anyone the date of this speech

  • you could hear a pin drop there. i wonder if any "reps" were even there for the introduction of this bill.

  • so what happened to this bill? sounds way too good to be true.

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  • resilk@tampabay.rr.com

    

  • Conservative for Grayson

    End this war now!!!

  • Is THIS the clown who said the Republican's answer to the multi-TRILLION health care monstrosity was "Just Die."??????

  • @kmillard No. This is the MAN who said the Republican's answer to health care reform was "Just Die". Ass fool.

    ______

    Bend over. Your friendly health care corporation wants to shove its collective dick up your willing ass crack. Cheers.

  • @bapyou Wake up!! Your friendly neighborhood collectivist governmnent already IS!!

  • @kmillard "Your friendly neighborhood collectivist governmnent already IS!"

    ---

    If we had a "collectivist government" I'd be overjoyed. What we have are corporate whores for "representation ... the people whom you conservatives worship.

    ---

    I loathe everything right-wing or remotely "conservative," mostly because you whores do not know the true meaning of the word conservative.

    ____

    "Patriotism is nothing more than the organized group interests of the privileged class." — Bakunin

  • @kmillard

    "clown who said the Republican's answer to the multi-TRILLION health care monstrosity was "Just Die."

    You are very misinformed, you are the one should wake up. I want to see the source of your comment.

    US already spends far more than other countries and increasing in the way it is now.

    Google, "CBO health care analysis"

    (Obama plan)net reduction in federal deficits of $143 billion over the 2010-2019 period.

    And Obama plan is not even close to ideal.

  • @allgoo19 You are a total moron. He made his "just die" comments on the floor of the house with the cameras rolling and it was played again and again on various news shows. You could not get away from it. Luckily, Mr. Grayson's Republican opponent is GOING to take him out in the November election.

  • @kmillard

    "You are a total moron..."

    Do you mean CBO is lying?

    Doesn't US already spend 17% (and increasing every year)of GDP while other countries spend 10%(and stays there)?

    Where's your proof that health care program will cost more like trillions?

  • @kmillard

    "You are a total moron.."

    No answer?

    Who's moron then?

  • @kmillard The plan is clearly not die quickly. Its die slowly so the medical companies get more money off your soon to be dead ass. I wish that was your case so the population of stupidity would go down from 80% to 79.9999%.

  • *Claps*

  • As a conservative I'd like to say.... GO ALAN!!!

  • War is a business, and Americans are brainwashed into believing everything must make money, including war. The war mongering neocons scream "JOBS WILL BE LOST" if we end wars or cut military contracts. Americans don't realize that the military is the biggest welfare state of all in our country, sapping hundreds of billions of dollars from our tax coffers. Its protected by those worshippers of the golden calf of war and those paranoid idiots who believe we have enemies under our beds.

  • @monkeyman1140 least its welfare to work... the poor people in the military are least doing something for a paycheck lol. but agreed war cost money not make money. unless your just building weapons for other peoples wars haha.

  • @monkeyman1140 Which sadly includes our current president. Who inexplicably won't bring the troops home. Just more of the same. It's also about oil.

  • @monkeyman1140 well said monkeyman1140!!

  • @monkeyman1140 so what we should get rid of our military, now

  • @fireking9934 No, you misunderstand. The Pentagon budget remains intact. That's over 1/2 trillion dollars every year. When you add in military costs in other Cabinet departments, that's another $150 billion. The wars have been funded largely by Supplemental Spending Bills that are additional funds allocated outside the budget. Those Supplemental Funds are what Grayson is talking about.

  • @monkeyman1140...

    hey dont forget. the neoliberals do the same...

    only us libertarians are truly right on this issue

  • @tirmen8er ahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha­hahahaahahahaha

  • We have a PRIVATE, UN-AUDITED Central Bank responsible for prinitng TRILLIONS of DOLLARS of DEBT. Why is it so far-fetched that this entity would engage in Financial Terrorism, Domestic Terrorism, Media-Propaganda and Deception to keep this arrangement? Rep. Grayson is a drop of pure reason in a cesspool of financial perversion.....

  • The British empire has been using the USA's military to the point of bankruptcy to conquer the globe.

  • @Rockstar97321 That's a fact! Geo Bush bowed to the Queen....

  • @marksky57 He sure did bow to the Queen. Most of the world was taught that the Queen has little power. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The British empire rules from secrecy. They conquer by overthrowing government banks. They did that to the USA in 1913 with the illegal Federal Reserve Act. The USA does not even create it's own money anymore. That's why we're in debt. Google: Executive Order 11110. It was when JFK tried to oust the Federal Reserve.

  • @Rockstar97321

    You are fucking retarded. Please stop doing cat drugs.

    Alan Grayson is awesome!

  • muy bueno!!

  • This is the best!

  • We need accountancy, accountancy......

    Not hysteria, hysteria.

    We need those who can be accountable.

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  • I've always like Alan Grayson..... Go Alan! I Love this plan... Makes total sense to me! (But of course Obama won't like it as he's a communist and this encourages capitalism and helps the middle class that he is trying to distroy!)

  • @marksky57 Obama is a puppet - a mind-controlled slave of the British world empire. He has no power... He reads scripts. He's a mouth-piece - a front-man.

  • @keaz You're the idiot.

  • If the mainstream media would just show this point of view i think the country would really wake up.

  • Alan Grayson for President NAO!

  • Thank you Re. Grayson! Finally, some sanity!

  • Grayson is one of those rare members of Congress who actually isn't there for the sole purpose of sucking up to lobbyists.

  • Why do so-called conservatives enjoy paying taxes, so long as it goes to keep Europe from having to pay for its own defense?

    This is a proposal that everyone can get behind.

  • @TheMetalPerson

    Let me re-phrase.

    What is the point of sending millions of tax dollars to the federal government just to try to get some of that money back. We lose millions of dollars in the bureaucracy that could be distributed locally (within the state.)

  • @ShiftIV

    rephrase what? What was your original post?

    I don't see why you think I agree with the war spending as it is. I'm all for cutting spending and lowering tax RATES across the board.

    I'm NOT, however, for raising the lowest tax bracket.

  • Grayson/Kucinich 2012

  • Fist off, waterboarding is torture, not "leaning". And intelligence experts have said again and again that torture is not an effective way to gather intelligence. It is a way to get confessions.

    Then there is the consideration of the value of following international law, our own constitution, and the overall benefit doing so has on the world stage. Besides being innefective and barbaric, we pay a huge price in the long run by torturing.

  • @orange343434 First, it is not torture. Second, no useful intel? Tell that to Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

  • @Fiends The idea that waterboarding is not torture is just ridiculous. Google Malcolm Nance of the Navy SERE program.

    Not all info from KSM was from torture, and as one CIA official said of what was from torture: “90 percent of it was total fucking bullshit.” Torture is notorious for giving bad info.

    But, to use the example of one or a dozen guys as evidence we should defy the rule of law and resort to the barbarity of torture is not sound thinking. It is bad strategy and inhumane.

  • @orange343434 waterboarding causes no permanent damage. It works largely through psychological means. Thus it is not torture.

    As to the CIA official you mentioned (assuming his assessment was not taken out of context), what about 10% that was presumably not BS?

    The example I mentioned was to show that waterboarding can give info and did break down Khalid.

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1 Ahh. KSM. One of the many evil "masterminds". He confessed to everything but raping Mother Teresa, didn't he?

  • @dilbertgeg the point of waterboarding Khalid was to find out intel from him. I'm not concerned about confessions from him (unless it's to find out if Ron Jeremy really is his long lost brother.)

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1 Waterboarding is torture, it is in statutory law, it **is not** disputable.

  • @joshatkins94 no, waterboarding is not torture. As for the law you mentioned, where can this law be found? Furthermore, when was it passed?

  • @orange343434 I would love for every person who says it is not torture to submit themselves to be waterboarded. Doesn't cause any physical damage right? I think Jesse Ventura offered to waterboard some rightwing nut and for some reason the nut didn't go through with it. It would be a number one reality tv show! Jesse Waterboarding right wingers every week. LOL If you say its not torture, put your money where your mouth is....

  • @evromsd the point is that waterboarding isn't pleasant but neither is sleep deprivation, sitting under bright lights, etc. which I don't think anyone would volunteer for but aren't real torture (cutting off fingers, scarring with hot metal, etc.). The fact is that waterboarding caused K.S.M. to break so it got results. I'd be interested to hear what Jesse Ventura would propose the U.S. govt do to captured terrorists in order to get information.

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1 On how many other hundreds of innocent people was it useless? You also mean to tell me that with all this war time technology and spying available, torture is still an option? A friend of mine worked for a company that used the bright light method on its own employees, let me tell you after about an hour you'll confess to anything, even if its a lie.

  • @evromsd again, we're not talking about torture. We're talking about something that is unpleasant, but it is designed to get us data (not confessions) that we ordinarily wouldn't get. If there are high tech methods to mine data out of the brains of terrorists, I'm sure we would already be using them. The fact is that the "human touch" is still a necessity in interrogation.

    If the method worked on the 911 mastermind, I think it's effective on practically anyone.

  • @evromsd Dead on. CIA agents have it done as a part of a conditioning program. The longest they can voluntarily take it is 20 seconds. Water boarding causes extreme stress and life long psychological illnesses. Many victims of this technique become too afraid to walk outside when it rains, or even take a shower.

  • @APRtunedAudi I know, i should never question the war machine, or if our government needs to spy on us, or if they need to back Wall St. gambling, or bow to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies in charge. They of course know best.

  • You know, if Obama doesn't start coming around, Grayson should run for Prez. If not in 2012, then in 2016. I'm tired of being jerked around by those idiot establishment pols.

  • @APRtunedAudi guess what...Alan Grayson is a Dem.

  • I would put a sticker on my bumper if I could find one !!!

  • Imagine using money for the many problems this nation has instead of pissing it away on useless bloody wars and the incredibly bloated defense budget. It's complete insanity.

  • Imagine a Ron Paul/Alan Grayson presidency. This guy is great!

  • ccc

  • I don't know whats worse: the oily crud spewing into the Gulf of Mexico or the tax-payer money hemorrhaging into the military industrial complex. Two of the worst leaks in US history! At least a real effort is being made to plug the BP oil spill. Let's do everything we can to get HR 5353 passed. This puts money in everyone's hands and may well END THE RECESSION.

  • Alan Grayson isn't even a revolutionary... he's a normal dude who isn't influenced by the political system. His proposals make PERFECT sense. Common sense.

    It's refreshing to hear his ideas and I love the fact that he has the balls to express them freely.

  • @Krumbz2003 it's sad when common sense becomes a revolutionary idea

  • @Krumbz2003 Heck yeah! Common sense, what a concept! I forgot about that after Bush.

  • Who owns CBS ? Ever think about that ?

    CBS was owned by William Paley and now by Lawrence Tisch; both are Zionist Jews.

    Who first claimed there was a 'holocaust' and put a name to it ? ABC.

    ABC used to be part of Michael Eisner’s (another ZioJew) Disney Company, and the executive producers of ABC’s news programs are all Jews: Victor Neufeld (20-20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan (World News Tonight).

    Who fights the wars ? Israel ?

    There is your reason for 911.

  • @longbobby1

    Stop the Zionist bullshit. It's propaganda and not true. Actually it's like 10% true... like any good modern conspiracy is. The other 90% is full of horseshit.

    Stop telling people to Google this and Google that. If you want to do real research... first find reliable, UNBIASED sources.

    If you're LOOKING for answers solely to uphold your own beliefs... you're not truly looking for answers.

    Oh and 9/11 was NOT an "inside job". Fuckin' conspiracy nuts are so ignorant.

  • @Krumbz2003

    You don't like me exposing the facts about Zionists ? Too bad for you then, little girl. The sources I tell people to google are unbiased. Sure, none of the sites are Zionist owned or controlled. That is why they ARE unbiased.

    911 was an inside job and Israel did 911. Plain and simple. Grow up little girl. Once you grow a brain you'll stop your pathetic personal attacks.

  • Source: AFP via Babelfish, Le Figaro (Paris)

    Wednesday October 31 2001

    PARIS, Oct. 31 (AFP) - Osama Bin Laden was treated in July at the American hospital in Dubaï where he met a person in charge of the CIA, the French daily newspaper the Barber and Radio International France (RFI) reported on Wednesday.

    The AFP reported this story, but he AP in the US did not. No surprise there. Oh ! But Britney got a hair cut.

    

  • Grayson's bill responds to the extreme imbalance between our military spending and spending for human needs while at the same time addressing the concern to cut taxes and reduce the deficit. $159 billion is extreme.  We can come together "across the aisle" on this.

  • The Guardian published an exclusive report on Monday, backed by declassified South African documents, revealing that Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to SA in 1975. If the international will is to ensure non-proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East, then there is only one culprit with a devious track record; Israel. The South African documents prove that Israel has nuclear weapons and that it was willing to supply them to another country.

    This is the act of a rogue country

  • @longbobby1 Israel is one of only three countries(india and pakistan are the other two) that NEVER signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. It is estimated to have between 150-400 nuclear weapons. Israels nuclear program is opaque compared to most of the rest of the world. The world knows more about Irans capabilities (Iran did sign the NNPT) than Israels. All countries need to be held accountable esp when it comes to WMD's. Israel included.

  • @Traveler2112

    Oh, I know all about Israel not being a signatory of the NNPT, Traveler. And that they have refused to allow IAEA inspections. I wouldn't put the number of their nukes at more than 200, although I'm thinking in terms of warheads. They probably do have quite a few more smaller munitions; i.e. suitcase nukes, micro nukes, etc.

    A few years back, a particularly dirty radioactive signature was located at the Israeli embassy in New York City. That one was probably a suitcase nuke.

  • @longbobby1 Personally I think all funding should be stopped to them until they agree to be inspected by the IAEA. Actually I'm pretty tired of us funding/supporting any other countries at this time with our own country in such dire straits. Personally I would like to see a leader tell the rest of the world that they are going to have to take care of themselves for awhile. The last 90 years have basically screwed us with fake prosperity. Take care.

  • @Traveler2112 Lets be serious here. Whats so bad about them having so many nuclear weapons? Its not like any country has the insanity required to even contemplate using their nuclear arsenal. It is somewhat dangerous I guess but it is no serious threat.

  • @TheDethBringer666 I agree that ANY country that would ever use one would be insane because of the repercussions. My point was that the US seems hellbent on keeping Iran a nuke free country,to the point of willing to commit our military to ensure that (that card is still on the table) while allowing our "ally", Israel, in the middle east to completely block its military WMD program from the rest of the world. I just think what is good enough for the Goose bettter be good enough for the Gander.

  • @TheDethBringer666 I distrust any country/govt that thinks it is above all others, that it is better, and doesnt have to follow the same rules and yet wants special considerations for itself. Thats BS. Personally I think the hatred amongst the extreme groups of ALL religions in the Middle East is so enbedded into their culture that few will ever escape. (As those that try to cross that line to friendship with what they are taught is the "enemy" find out when they are ostracized for trying.)

  • @TheDethBringer666 Btw, I was referring to Israel but I guess it would apply to the other countries as well.

  • The only documented evidence of a "holocaust" was the 1947 report released by the International Red Cross. The IRC said 273,000 jews starved to death or died of typhus during the winter of 1944-45. The died because the Allies had destroyed the German railways so that supplies could only be delivered by horse cart during that winter.

    Zionist Jews from Russia fabricated the 'evidence' used at the Nuremburg trial. Just as Zionist Jews today fabricate 'evidence' of terrorism.

  • Post this video EVERYWHERE!!!!!

    It will help us ALL !!!!!!!

    25% of all Pentagon money is UNACCOUNTED FOR !!!!!

    IT'S A FACT.

  • Is this the same bill (or related to) the one Ron Paul and Barney Frank recently held a press conference about?

  • The income tax sucks. So, good job, Mr. Grayson.

  • YES, YES, YES.

    Not since Mr. Smith went to Washington has something so founded in common sense and truth made it to the House Floor.

    But why are all the comments about Vietnam, Osama, the CIA, COINTELPRO, 9/11, etc, etc, etc, ? Why descend again into the murky maelstrom of rhetoric? Take it for what it is. It's math, stupid. Look at the pie graph. Do the numbers.

    The title says it all: THE WAR IS MAKING YOU POOR.

    Grayson for President!

  • MAKE LOVE NOT WAR. really, who is the enemy now? certainly not the taliban... the only reason the taliban were pissed in the first place is because we were in THERE country... so lets use some common sence and look past all the bullshit.

  • @vigholate keep in mind that the Taliban in Afghanistan allowed Osama Bin Ladin and his terrorist friends to train there and to use that country as a base. The Taliban refused to give up Bin Ladin or to stop the terrorist training going on there. The Taliban is the enemy.

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1

    Still trying to rewrite history, I see. The CIA trained Bin Dead (since 2001); not the Taliban. It wasn't the Taliban who refused to give up Bin Dead; it was the Afghan gov who wanted the US to provide proof that Bin Dead did 911. The US never provided proof but used the that as a pretext to invade.

    Plans to invade Afghan were drawn up long before Israel blew up the WTC towers and Building 7.

    Get it right, troll. The terrorist gov of Israel is the enemy, not the Taliban.

  • @longbobby1 I don't have to re-write history, only point out what is. If Bin Ladin is dead since '01, why does he keep releasing tapes? The same Taliban which knew who was preaching the Gospel in its borders didn't know Bin Ladin was a terrorist (the same terrorist who declared war on the U.S.)? That makes no sense.

    Why do you believe Israel would blow up the WTC?

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1

    There are two disinfo groups that have been producing the video and audio tapes. The videos were created by Intelcenter, the U.S. monitoring group that routinely releases Bin Laden video and audio, much of which have been proven to be either rehashed old footage or outright fakes, is an offshoot of IDEFENSE.

    The other disinfo group is SITEIntelligence operated by an Israeli named Rita Katz. SITEIntelligence is a front company of the Israeli MOSSAD.

  • @longbobby1 Where are you getting this 'proven' evidence? Infowars?

  • @DefenceSpeech

    Suppose the evidence DID come from infowars ? So what ?

    What you are doing is committing the fallacy known as "Damning The Origin". This is a typical avoidance/evasive tactic used by COINTELPRO or Hasbara shills.

    As for the latest proven evidence; former Senior Editor of the BBC; Alan Hart, recently blew the whistle on Israel having done 911. You should google that.

  • @longbobby1 You're changing the issue. What credible source do you have for what you are stating about Osama Bin Laden? If you don't have one then your argument is faith based speculation.

  • @DefenceSpeech

    Are you unable to use google or to do serious academic research on your own ?

    I just typed ... bin laden funeral ... into my browser and received quite a few hits.

    I find it absolutely amazing that you haven't tried doing that yourself.

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1:

    If you believe all thos audio tapes are authentic, please go ahead and do so. Why isnn't Bin Laden on the FBI's list of terrorist and listed as the mastermind of the countries greatest domestic tradegy? I watched debunking 9-11 and the video still has no conclusive evidence about buidling 7 due to fire fell at free fall speeds. Buildings have collasped by fire, but never before at free fall speeds.

  • @tpwatson you're concentrating on grains instead of the gigantic mountain of sand in front of you. There is overwhelming evidence that Bin Ladin was behind 911, that Building 7 fell due to fires and structural damage due to the falling WTC. Popular Mechanics did a gigantic story on the myths of 911 and there are other websites that do good jobs.

    Osama had his own flow of money and didn't need the U.S. as was even admitted to by Ayman al-Zawahiri.

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1:

    Grains are the most important, because that is where the truth and details are found. Sorry, but there is no mountain of evidence that Osama Bin Laden was behind 9-11.

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1:

    Popular Mechanic and other debunking sitea make assumptions, but again, never in history has a skyscraper fallen, with crimp at near free fall speeds, which they cannot explain away. Bldg 7 wasn't greatly damaged from either tower 1/2 as bldg 6 was in the way of direct impact of Bldg. 7. Try again.

    Great, and now you want to reference and legitimize extraxted "evidence" any information taken from someone who was tortured.

  • @tpwatson Building 7 did not fall at near free fall speeds. There is video showing that it did not. Building 7 was damaged heavily because it was 47 floors in height whereas Building 6 was 8 floors tall. Building 7 would have only been shielded for those 8 floors.

    We haven't done torture. That is a straw man argument. Data taken from intense questioning techniques is another story.

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1

    There is video right here on Utube that shows B7 DID collapse at near free fall speed. Also video here at Utube that shows the US does torture it's prisoners. This very site debunks your nonsense.

  • @longbobby1 there is a video from CBS news that shows it did not fall at near free fall speed. Torture? Show me videos of U.S. agents burning people, cutting off body parts, crushing body parts, etc. which would be considered real torture. It doesn't exist.

    I am curious as to why Israel would be behind 911.

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1

    Google .. 96% of media owned by zionists .. and you will have an idea why the news is the way it is.

    Israel is THE expert in false flag attacks. Take a typical Israeli and put an Arab robe on him. Know what he then looks like ? He looks like an Arab. Then have said 'Arab' go blow something up.

    Next thing you know all of the zionist owned news media's are reporting on the new "Arab suicide bomber attack" !

    And thats the way the game has been played for 61 years.

  • Building 6 was damaged heavily in the 911 attacks.

  • @FiendsInRedSatin1:

    Why was building 6 not greatly compromised and destroyed by fire and debry from towers 1 & 2? So your saying as well as noted experts that fire, debry bypassed 6 directly @ 7? Is that what your alluding?